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Speaker 1: We have an amazing show for everybody today when we

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do big show today. We've got Rocana coming

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Speaker 2: in studio to break down the latest in terms of

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Speaker 2: with regard to this season ballots in Fulton County situation,

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Speaker 2: interesting election results. We didn't get to this yesterday because

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Speaker 2: And then all held breaking loose between Jasmin Crockett, Colin Alred,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have been following this online.

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Speaker 2: There is this AI agent that has been created that

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Speaker 2: many many people have now you know, are now using

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Speaker 2: and disturbing stuff happened. So break down, you know, how

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Speaker 2: much of this is real? How much of it is

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Speaker 2: just being pushed by humans. What are people who know

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Speaker 1: All right, So first of all, let's start.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, there's been an extraordinary amount of attention paid to

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Speaker 6: Sager, You're right, but there's been so much attention paid

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Speaker 2: very interesting example. You've got Epstein emailing here with Peter Teel.

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Speaker 4: You and I both.

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Speaker 5: So that's very thoughtful.

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Speaker 6: Really, this should be a lens into America's elite, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's worth just laying out a little

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Speaker 2: You know, we were led to believe, oh, Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: There's no real evidence of that, in particular in these emails. Instead,

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Speaker 2: So he was getting insider information about Hey, these are

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Speaker 2: a five hundred billion euro bailout. He's getting this information

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Speaker 7: And no, he made a statement about me and Jeffrey

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Speaker 7: But yeah, it's a terrible thing, the amount of time

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Speaker 8: But they're only doing it.

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Speaker 7: But now it's really hitting back on them because Bill

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Speaker 5: But think of it.

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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with him. And by the way, the DOJ,

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Speaker 5: This cat's under his skin.

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Speaker 6: And it reminds his central promise to the American people

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Speaker 5: I'm going to be for the ordinary American.

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Speaker 6: So people aren't buying it, and I think this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go ahead and put a six up on

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad that they did that and that they're

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Speaker 6: But you know, I would ask Clinton the same questions.

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Speaker 6: Well, we actually should focus on what wasn't released because

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Speaker 5: How bold it is what already was released.

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Speaker 6: What matters, frankly, is that people continue to demand that

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Speaker 4: Finally, Congressman, what we have here.

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Speaker 8: The face of the man.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 6: Chris Lin and I believe that what we need in

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Speaker 6: We need to have a simple way of understanding that

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Speaker 6: And those are actually the bedrock foundational principles before you

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Speaker 4: Congressman, thank you so much for your time, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much for your leadership on the Thank you sure

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Speaker 1: appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you appreciate you both.

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Speaker 3: Joining us now is doctor Trita Parsi to break down

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Speaker 3: this ongoing situation with Iran.

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Speaker 1: Sir, it's good to see you. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: All right, so let's go ahead and start with these

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Speaker 3: scheduled talks. Let's put this up here on the screen.

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Speaker 3: It appears some sort of diplomatic negotiations currently happening. US

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Speaker 3: Iran nuclear talks planned for Friday, amid military build up.

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Speaker 3: We do know, of course, there's ongoing build up of

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Speaker 3: military assets in the regent. Steve Wikoff, Jared Kushner scheduled

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Speaker 3: to meet with the Iranians. However, they're making a pit

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Speaker 3: stop in Israel. I believe they just landed there this morning.

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Speaker 3: As you and I are talking, you are a bit

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Speaker 3: skeptical currently about this diplomatic negotiation.

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Speaker 1: Just break it down for us what we need to know.

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Speaker 11: Well, there are reasons to be skeptical, and there's also

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Speaker 11: reasons to believe that perhaps ultimately this could work. Now

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Speaker 11: let me start with reasons to be skeptical. At the

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Speaker 11: end of the day, we're seeing that the positions on

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Speaker 11: the nuclear issue as well as on missiles, the.

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Speaker 8: Two sides are extremely far away from each other.

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Speaker 11: Iranians have almost zero maneuverability and are not really in

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Speaker 11: a position to give that much, and I think the

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Speaker 11: Trump administration is overestimating Iran's weakness. Ran definitely as weaked

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Speaker 11: and it was two years ago, but not as weak

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Speaker 11: as Trump seems to believe, and as a result, is

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Speaker 11: not ready to just capitulate. And there is a line

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Speaker 11: of thinking in Iran which is that there may be

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Speaker 11: a need for at least a limited military confrontation in

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Speaker 11: which the Iranians respond far, far more harshly than they have

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Speaker 11: so far, in order to dispel the belief in the

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Speaker 11: Trump administration that Iran is so weak that it has

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Speaker 11: no choice but to capitulate.

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Speaker 8: Whether that will work.

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Speaker 11: Out that way, of course, it is a completely different story.

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Speaker 11: But the calculation on the Iranian side essentially is they

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Speaker 11: cannot win a war, but they can last long enough

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Speaker 11: to make sure that Trump loses his presidency with the

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Speaker 11: damage that they would be inflicted on him, the damage

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Speaker 11: that would be inflicted on energy markets, inflation in the US,

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Speaker 11: et cetera, et cetera very very destructive approach, obviously, and

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Speaker 11: as long as the two sides are this far away

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Speaker 11: from each other, and Trump has this type of impatient

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Speaker 11: approach to diplomacy, this could very quickly lead to an

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Speaker 11: escalation in which the two sides just concluded too far

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Speaker 11: away from each other, all of these military assets in

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Speaker 11: the region already, and the pressure on Trump will significantly

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Speaker 11: increase to go at it. On the positive side, you're

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Speaker 11: now seeing the region being fully involved in this, and

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Speaker 11: the fact that you have countries like Saudi Orman, Pakistan, Egypt,

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Speaker 11: Cutar being included in the meeting in Turkey. Whether the

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Speaker 11: attend or not is remains to be seen, is a

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Speaker 11: very significant development because on the one hand, it signifies

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Speaker 11: how the region is once again trying to impose itself

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Speaker 11: on Trump, as it did with the previous Godza ceasefire,

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Speaker 11: in which by acting collectively they really can get Trump's

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Speaker 11: attention and get Trump to listen to them rather than

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Speaker 11: to listen to Israel. Now, whether that works out this

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Speaker 11: way at this time around, of course, is a different story.

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Speaker 11: The other point of it is that there is so

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Speaker 11: little trust between these between the US and Iran, and

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Speaker 11: having these regional countries evolved it provides a bit of

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Speaker 11: a guarantee, or a proxy of a guarantee for the

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Speaker 11: Iranians that the Trump administration will uphold its end of

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Speaker 11: the bargain if there is a bargain, given the fact

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Speaker 11: that otherwise it will be betraying the trust of all

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Speaker 11: of these different countries. And again, Trump, unlike previous presidents,

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Speaker 11: actually really does value the view of some of these

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Speaker 11: countries at least and does take their collective view more

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Speaker 11: seriously than, for instance, that Biden administration did. None of this, nevertheless,

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Speaker 11: is a guarantee for an agreement. Ultimately comes down to

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Speaker 11: where their positions are, and right now they're very far

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Speaker 11: away from each other.

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Speaker 2: What is your understanding of why there has not been

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Speaker 2: military action to this point.

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Speaker 8: I think the main reason.

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Speaker 11: First of all, about two and a half weeks ago,

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Speaker 11: Trump almost took military action, as you all remember, and

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Speaker 11: then he called it off. My understanding is that there

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Speaker 11: had been an attempt to get the Iranians to agree

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Speaker 11: to a limited strike in which the Vivonians then would

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Speaker 11: respond symbolically as they had done before, and it would

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Speaker 11: make Trump look very good and the Varians would have

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Speaker 11: escaped a real war.

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Speaker 8: But the Yvanian response was no.

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Speaker 11: If there is an attack, you will have full scale war,

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Speaker 11: and I think that took the president back, and that's

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Speaker 11: why he ended up having all of these other military assets.

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Speaker 8: Grown to the region.

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Speaker 11: Whether he's doing that because he ultimately wants to attack,

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Speaker 11: or whether he does that because he wants to try

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Speaker 11: that bargain again or try at the diplomatic table, remains

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Speaker 11: to be seen.

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Speaker 8: Of course.

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Speaker 3: Well, I do want to get your reaction. As a

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Speaker 3: report out this morning from Barack Revite. He could take

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Speaker 3: it with a grain of salt, but here's what he says.

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Speaker 3: The dynamic shifts shifted a succession of his Really, spies

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Speaker 3: and generals, including IDF Chief of Staff, have visited DC

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Speaker 3: in recent days. It is safe to say nothing came

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Speaker 3: out of the meeting to change the president's mind. Quote

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Speaker 3: it's the really the Israelis who want to strike. The

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Speaker 3: president is not just there. He really does not want

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Speaker 3: to do it. However, could be boxed currently, like you said,

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Speaker 3: into a situation. Can you talk here about how the

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Speaker 3: Israelis have moved the goalpost? So you know the reason

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Speaker 3: for the Twelve Day war was to destroy Iran's nuclear capability,

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Speaker 3: and they said that they had succeeded in that and

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Speaker 3: thus mission accomplished. And yet here we are six months later,

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Speaker 3: and now we might bomb you round because of a

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Speaker 3: nuclear facility and or a nuclear program, and now in

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Speaker 3: fact the goalposter moving to missile production, which is their

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Speaker 3: only possible regional detern against Israel.

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Speaker 1: So it does appear as.

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Speaker 3: If the Israelis are significantly putting pressure moving the goalpost

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Speaker 3: to try and move in a direction of war.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, And I think if you go back to what

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Speaker 11: we talked about back then in July and June, the

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Speaker 11: bottom line is that once Trump agrees to a small

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Speaker 11: bit of the Israeli position, that's what he boxes himself.

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Speaker 11: He did that last time. He could have pursued diplomacy.

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Speaker 11: He could have pursued it based on his original demand

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Speaker 11: of no nuclear weapon. He accepted the Israeli position of

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Speaker 11: no enrichment, and of course it led him to a

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Speaker 11: dead end and military action ensued. Now he's then gone

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Speaker 11: along and accepted missiles as a new demand, despite the

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Speaker 11: fact that he just said that, you know, this whole

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Speaker 11: issue is resolved. Then again he agreed that there's a

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Speaker 11: problem with the missiles apparently, and here we are again

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Speaker 11: on the brink of war. If he really does not

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Speaker 11: want to go to war, then he should not accept

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Speaker 11: the premise of the Israeli position, because the premise of

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Speaker 11: the Israeli position is designed to bring the United States

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Speaker 11: into this war. Now, one very important aspect that is

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Speaker 11: not really fully discussed in Washington, in my view, is

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Speaker 11: that you have this regional constellation not just trying to

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Speaker 11: avoid a war, but they're actually really tried to save

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Speaker 11: a certain balance in the region, which requires that there

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Speaker 11: isn't a war, that van doesn't become completely weakened because

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Speaker 11: a new situation has emerged in the region following the

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Speaker 11: US completely lifting all restrictions on Israel during the Biden administration,

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Speaker 11: which then led to Israel bombing seven countries in the region,

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Speaker 11: including US allies such as Qatar, and it turned out

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Speaker 11: that the United States is no protection against Israel for

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Speaker 11: these countries, as air defense systems don't even activate when

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Speaker 11: Israel attacks. And this has now led to such engine

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Speaker 11: in which these countries need to have their own balancing

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Speaker 11: against Israel. And within that context, a war with Iran

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Speaker 11: that either further weakens Iran or you have chaos in

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Speaker 11: Iran or you have a pro Israel puppet installed in

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Speaker 11: Iran is a devastating geopolitical development for these countries. Despite

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Speaker 11: the fact that they're no fans of the Islamic Republic.

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Speaker 11: They do want to see Iran weaken, but not further

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Speaker 11: than what it already is, because if it is weaken

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Speaker 11: further than this point, it starts affecting their security negatively,

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Speaker 11: because they will have a harder time ballot and seeing

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Speaker 11: against what they view as.

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Speaker 8: An increasingly aggressive and unrestrained Israel.

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Speaker 2: How do you think Trump is thinking about this? I

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Speaker 2: understand what Israel wants in terms of you know, vis

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Speaker 2: a vis Iran. They want either regime changed to some

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Speaker 2: puppet regime or total state collapse. And you've laid that

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Speaker 2: out very effectively. What does Trump really want here?

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Speaker 4: Is it just.

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Speaker 2: Another you know, sugar high like he had his successful

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Speaker 2: military quote unquote victory in Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: What is it truly that he's actually after?

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Speaker 11: I do think that there is a search for sugar

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Speaker 11: highs and an overconfidence following both the Midnight Hammer as

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Speaker 11: well as the operation in Venezuela, in which there is

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Speaker 11: this naive belief that this can just be cookie cutter

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Speaker 11: repeated wherever he wants to go, and it just simply cannot.

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Speaker 11: I do think that he wants to be able to

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Speaker 11: deliver something on this issue to pacify those voices that

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Speaker 11: are constantly pressuring him. But here's that is in miscalculation.

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Speaker 11: They will not be pacified until he has gone into

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Speaker 11: full scale war with you on there is no half measure.

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Speaker 11: Either you tell them no or you're going to have

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Speaker 11: to tell them yes. And if you give these half

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Speaker 11: yeses every six months, they're going to come back and

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Speaker 11: you're going to have to give another half yest and

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Speaker 11: another half yest, and eventually you will be in the

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Speaker 11: full scale war on behalf of Israel.

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Speaker 3: So one of my questions here also is there's potential

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Speaker 3: talks of off ramps. Let's say the Iranians agree to

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Speaker 3: suspend enrichment but not give up all enrichment. Do these

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Speaker 3: not yet still feel like half measures? Because if you're

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Speaker 3: an Iranian negotiator, the last time that you were scheduled

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Speaker 3: to meet with Steve Wikoff, it was cover for a

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Speaker 3: strike on your country, and perhaps that factored into their

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Speaker 3: more recent calculation saying, look, we are not taking symbolic strikes.

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Speaker 3: If you hit us, it's on from their perspective, how

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Speaker 3: are they looking at things, and especially in the context

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Speaker 3: of their regime, as you said, it stands together. However,

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Speaker 3: it is slightly weakened after the ongoing protests.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the domestic dynamics inside.

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Speaker 8: I run on the first issue. You're quite right.

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Speaker 11: If the perception they have is if they give on enrichment,

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Speaker 11: then they will be missiles. If they give on missiles,

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Speaker 11: eventually it will be kitchen knives. There's no end to this.

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Speaker 11: So I find them very unlikely to give something that

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Speaker 11: is really irreversible. Now there's some rumors that there's talk

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Speaker 11: about giving up the four hundred kilos of sixty percent

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Speaker 11: and enrich uranium that is somewhere under the mountain. It

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Speaker 11: seems like the Vannians themselves don't have access to it,

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Speaker 11: so the idea that it's leverage for them is a bit.

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Speaker 8: Of a stretch.

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Speaker 11: So giving it up perhaps is more valuable than it

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Speaker 11: otherwise would be. But the question is do you combine

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Speaker 11: that with a complete end to enrichment zero Richmond I

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Speaker 11: would have. I would be very surprised if that is

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Speaker 11: the position the Vannians take, and particularly mindful of the

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Speaker 11: fact that there are elements, powerful elements within the IRGC

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Speaker 11: who were completely opposed to the ceasefire in the Twelve

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Speaker 11: Day War, who believed that Ivan was starting to win

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Speaker 11: the war. The idea that they would go from that

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Speaker 11: to suddenly completely capitulate seems very odd to me. Now

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Speaker 11: the domestic situation is very, very problematic. At the end

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Speaker 11: of the day, Yvan is still in a complete state

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Speaker 11: of shock. The killings were on an unprecedented scale. I

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Speaker 11: don't believe some of these huge numbers are being thrown

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Speaker 11: out there because the methodology behind them doesn't seem to

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Speaker 11: be sound. But it does seem very likely that between

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Speaker 11: five and six thousand, or perhaps more up to seven

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Speaker 11: thousand were killed, and that is a huge number. It's

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Speaker 11: never happened before, and this has just left the country

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Speaker 11: in a state of shock. It has further eroded whatever

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Speaker 11: little legitimacy the regime had. It has also consolidated other

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Speaker 11: elements within the security apparatus because they also point to

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Speaker 11: this other fact that there is rarely talked about, which

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Speaker 11: is they were also clearly very very violent elements within

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Speaker 11: the protest movement. I personally think that they're separate from

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Speaker 11: the protest movement. There is something that was there that

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Speaker 11: was going to take advantage of massive protests to do this.

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Speaker 11: I spoke to one person who was out in the streets,

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Speaker 11: had been in every protest before from two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 11: and he said that they were just shocked to see

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00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 11: these men in black acting very fast, you know, looked professional,

681
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 11: had clear plans putting buildings on fire, fighting with police,

682
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Speaker 11: putting policemen on fire. And in two thousand and nine

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Speaker 11: he told me that whenever there was any violence, the

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Speaker 11: protesters themselves quickly put an end to it because they

685
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Speaker 11: had such a strong discipline of non violence. This time around,

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Speaker 11: he said, no one there to intervene because people were

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Speaker 11: equally afraid of these violent elements within the protest movement

688
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 11: as well as the thugs of the besiege movement, this militia, etc.

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Speaker 11: So he actually ended up going home because, like, this

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Speaker 11: was not what I signed up for. I wanted to

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Speaker 11: protest against the government about what they're doing, the horrible

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Speaker 11: state of life in Iran, but not this. So I

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Speaker 11: think there's another narrative out there, another reality that is

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Speaker 11: not being discussed enough, because you know, even the US

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00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 11: government acknowledges that about three hundred police were killed. Well

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Speaker 11: how are they killed?

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Speaker 1: Who killed them? And within health going ups come from?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, like where did the weapons come from?

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Speaker 11: And then you have Mike Pompeo given interviews to Israeli

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Speaker 11: news outlets claiming that, you know, the US did everything

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Speaker 11: it could to help the protesters, including weapons. I don't

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Speaker 11: know if that's true or if that's just his way

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Speaker 11: of sabotaging the talks and playing psychological warfare. But bottom

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Speaker 11: line is, we know that this was very, very different

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Speaker 11: from any previous protest. But that also then indicates that

706
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Speaker 11: the regime has to a very large extent lost control

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Speaker 11: of the security of the country. So even if their

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Speaker 11: narrative has some element of truth, it actually is a

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Speaker 11: strike against them because it reveals that they actually have

710
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Speaker 11: not been able to root out the presence of either

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Speaker 11: violent element events or elements that have been supported by

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Speaker 11: outside groups.

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Speaker 2: My last question for you is do you have any

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Speaker 2: sense of whether there are elements within the Iranian government

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Speaker 2: or within the IRGC that say, you know, what, the

716
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 2: logic is such, we should actually race to a bomb

717
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Speaker 2: because that is the only thing that is going to

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Speaker 2: act as a deterrence. That is the only way these

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Speaker 2: people will ever even consider leaving us alone.

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Speaker 11: They certainly are, and those voices at this point probably

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Speaker 11: are a majority.

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Speaker 8: They never were a majority. Prior to all of this.

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Speaker 11: The question, though, is order the obstacle they have is

724
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Speaker 11: that the Supreme Leader himself seems to be dead set

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Speaker 11: against it. He at least seems to take his own

726
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 11: fatua very seriously against nuclear weapons. There is a lot

727
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 11: of frustration within the system amongst those who believe that

728
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 11: this is the only rational choice that Iran can make

729
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Speaker 11: at this point, and it's not being pursued in their view,

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Speaker 11: because of him. At the same time, we also have

731
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Speaker 11: to acknowledge if they were racing behind the scenes for

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Speaker 11: a bomb, they would be acting exactly like they're acting

733
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Speaker 11: right now, which is continue to insist that they're not

734
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Speaker 11: doing so. Pursuing your weapon is a much more quiet

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Speaker 11: endeavor than running a large civilian nuclear program. It could

736
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Speaker 11: be done in very small labs, in garages, et cetera.

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Speaker 11: Does the US and Israel have the intelligence to be

738
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Speaker 11: able to completely detect that or not?

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Speaker 8: We don't know.

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Speaker 11: We have not seen any signs from the Israeli saying

741
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Speaker 11: that the Yvanis are actually building a bomb. They're leaking

742
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 11: intelligence reports valid or not, that the Yvanis are trying

743
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 11: to revive certain aspects of the program, but they haven't

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00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 11: come out and said that there's a secret weapon program

745
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 11: going on. So reality is, in the absence of IA inspectors,

746
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Speaker 11: it's very difficult to know exactly what is happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very good points. All right, sir, thank you so

748
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Speaker 1: much for joining us. We always appreciate your Thank you

749
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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 2: So. In a podcast appearance with Dan Bongino, President Trump

751
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: made some pretty wild comments about elections.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 12: These people were brought to our country to vote, and

754
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Speaker 12: they vote illegally, and the you know, amazing that the

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Speaker 12: Republicans aren't tough for on it. The Republicans should say

756
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Speaker 12: we want to take over, we should take over the voting,

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Speaker 12: the voting and at least many fifteen places the Republicans

758
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Speaker 12: or to nationalize the voting. And we have states that

759
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Speaker 12: are so crooked and the accounting votes. We have states

760
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Speaker 12: that I won that shoe I didn't win. Now you're

761
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 12: going to see something in Georgia where they were able

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Speaker 12: to get with the court order the ballots. You're going

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Speaker 12: to see some interesting things come in.

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Speaker 2: Now, if this was a one off, maybe you could

765
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Speaker 2: just dismiss it as you know, Trump doing Trump's stuff

766
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Speaker 2: and just saying some bullshit and not really backing it up.

767
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Speaker 2: But we have a bunch of other things going on.

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Speaker 2: Number One, as you guys know, because we reported here.

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Speaker 4: They came in.

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Speaker 2: FBI came in and seized all ballots from twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: in Fulton County, Georgia, which was of course the at

772
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Speaker 2: the center of a bunch of the stop the Steel

773
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: nonsense conspiracies.

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Speaker 4: After twenty twenty or more.

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Speaker 2: Tulci Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, was there for

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Speaker 2: some reason. So you have that, you have Pam Bondi

777
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: sending a letter to the state of Minnesota saying basically, hey,

778
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Speaker 2: we'll pull our federal agents out on the streets if.

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Speaker 4: You hand over your voter rules. So using their.

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Speaker 2: Sort of like federal occupation of the city of Minneapolis

781
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Speaker 2: as a cudgel to try to extract the voter roles

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Speaker 2: from Minnesota. In addition, the Department of Justice is suing

783
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Speaker 2: twenty plus states for the same reason to try to

784
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: acquire their voter rules. Trump himself is indicated he does

785
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 2: not believe that they are going to organically do well

786
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: in the midterm elections. He pins that on just so

787
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 2: the party in power never does well, etc. So he's

788
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: aware that he has an electoral problem here. You couple that,

789
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: of course with the fact that this is the same

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Speaker 2: man who did try to steal the twenty twenty election,

791
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Speaker 2: and we all watched how that played out, and told

792
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Speaker 2: The New York Times recently that he regrets he didn't

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Speaker 2: go further and have the National Guard seize the ballot

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Speaker 2: boxes in tw When you put it all together, Saga,

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Speaker 2: I would say, it paints a pretty disturbing picture.

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Speaker 1: Now we're in crazy town. We're in straight crazy town.

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Speaker 3: Let's put the next one up here on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Trump had unusual call with FBI agents after elections search.

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Speaker 3: So Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, broker the call,

800
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Speaker 3: and President Trump has directly questioned frontline agents on the inquiry.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this has not been denied in terms

802
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Speaker 3: of what happened behind closed doors. Tulsi gabberd the D

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Speaker 3: and I met with some of the FBI agents of

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Speaker 3: the Field Bureau office in Atlanta conducting the election inquiry.

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Speaker 3: They could not say why she was there, but her

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Speaker 3: continued presidence has raised eyebrows. Shortly after the raid, the

807
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: President addressed the agents on speakerphone, asking them questions as

808
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Speaker 3: well as praising and thanking them for their work on

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Speaker 3: the inquiry. A black call lasted for some one minute.

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Speaker 3: I think more importantly, what it does highlight is Tulsi's

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Speaker 3: own role in all of this, and in fact, we

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Speaker 3: do have a more recent notification from Tulsi Gabbard to Congress.

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Speaker 3: What it shows here is, they say in the letter

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Speaker 3: to lawmakers in a congressional create as to why she

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Speaker 3: even participated in the raid on Fulton County, that she

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Speaker 3: has the power under federal law to analyze intelligence related

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Speaker 3: to elections security. So they say in the twelve FBI

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Speaker 3: field offices across the country, the domestic DNI REP program

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Speaker 3: was established through an MoU with the ODN, I and

820
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Speaker 3: the FBI. I have visited several of these representatives across

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Speaker 3: the country, and in that capacity is what she participated in.

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Speaker 3: What I noted as well is that Tulsea Gabbert has

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Speaker 3: been significantly shut out of this administration as of late.

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Speaker 3: So on Venezuela, they said that the D and I

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Speaker 3: should stand.

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Speaker 1: For do not invite.

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Speaker 3: She had her heyday a few months ago whenever she

828
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Speaker 3: was part of the remember the whole Obama Gate thing.

829
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Speaker 3: They said this is the biggest conspiracy in American history,

830
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Speaker 3: and that Obama was going to get indicted for treason.

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Speaker 3: Quite literally, nothing happened as a result of that. I

832
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: am looking at this in particular a lot of her

833
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: more recent actions. This is a way for her to

834
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Speaker 3: get into his good graces, not just good graces, but

835
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Speaker 3: to reraise her profile within MAGA.

836
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Speaker 1: This is a constant theme.

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Speaker 3: In the Trump white House is that when you need

838
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: to get back into Trump's good graces, you satisfy and

839
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 3: are willing to do the absolute craziest shit that nobody

840
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: else is willing to touch. And that's exactly basically what

841
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: has happened here. But look, people should freak out, like

842
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, we should not minimize it. This

843
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: is crazy. Yeah, because this is the literally the whole

844
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: like national voting thing. We could talk in the abstract.

845
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the third term. I'm like, yeah, sure,

846
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Speaker 3: I agree. Our election systems and all of that are

847
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: you know, are antiquated, ridiculous. I do think there should

848
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: be federal standards. We could put all of that to

849
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: a side. The problem in this case is that this

850
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: is purely a result not only of the imagination but

851
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: very specific subset of like MAGA and stop the Steal,

852
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: which usually wants to BLI all of it, Like this

853
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: is you know, I've talked about high IQ stop the steel,

854
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 3: which is my career. Oh yes, we should have federal

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Speaker 3: election standards and vote or I D fine whatever, Okay,

856
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: you know, yeah cool.

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Speaker 1: But this is not what that is, right? What Trump

858
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Speaker 1: is talking la dominions.

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Speaker 3: We talked a lot about this during Stop the Steels, Like, guys, no,

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Speaker 3: that's he doesn't mean the Pennsylvania Supreme Court change mail

861
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Speaker 3: in ballots, Like he actually thinks that somebody wrote in

862
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: you know, fake ballots or whatever based on bamboo that

863
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 3: were shipped by Venezuela and Chinese dominions.

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Speaker 1: Like that's what they actually think.

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Speaker 3: And they have photos there pose for example, with Sidney

866
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Speaker 3: Powell or the Rudy Giuliani case where everybody pursued now previously.

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Speaker 3: So that's the direction that this is all heading in,

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Speaker 3: and it's not good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the most optimistic reading is

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Speaker 2: that this is just con fined in twenty twenty and

871
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Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with the twenty twenty six elections. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I think you'd have to be pretty pollyannish and a

873
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: fool to really believe that. Now, will they be able

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00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: to pull off some sort of major disruption that is

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Speaker 2: sufficient enough to stop you know, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about what happened in Texas, Like, things are not looking

877
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: great for the Republicans in terms of how they're likely

878
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 2: to perform in the midterm election. So will the elections

879
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: be quote unquote too big to rig? That is certainly

880
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: a possibility, you know.

881
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: I mean they have.

882
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: Been they have have had their sales trimmed in certain

883
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: instances previously in this administration where they haven't been able

884
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: to fulfill their most maximalist goals for a variety of reasons,

885
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: usually involving the stock market. But in any case, so

886
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's like it's over democracy's debt, et cetera.

887
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: But you should be taking this as seriously as you

888
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: possibly can. I wanted to mention Seymour Hirsch wrote a

889
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: substack about the midterm elections, and the overall thrust of

890
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: his article was that, you know, they're not in great

891
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: standing politically with the electorate and are likely to face

892
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: significant midterm losses, but he included this reporting in there,

893
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: and I wanted to mention it because you know, he

894
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: has been right about a lot in the past. He

895
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: says that Stephen Miller was the author of an earlier

896
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: proposal to use local National Guard troops to disrupt the

897
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: midterm elections and critical states if polling predicted the Republican

898
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: Party would lose the House. That suggestion, given the current

899
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: negative polling in the fiasco in Minneapolis, is now dead

900
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: in the water. So he says that's something that Steven

901
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: Miller had floated. Now that's not looking like they could

902
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: pull that off. Another plan that has been discussed in

903
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: the White House is to disrupt a future presidential election

904
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: when Vice President Jadie Vance might be the candidate in

905
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: case of a loss at the polls. It was conceived

906
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: by John Eastman. You guys remember him, the disbarred lawyer

907
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: he is currently appealing as disbarment in California, who also

908
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: thought up the failed plan after Trump's election lost to

909
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty to have Vice President Pence as the president

910
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: of the Senate exercises legal authority, rejects certified state electors

911
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: and electoral votes for the presidency.

912
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 4: I was told.

913
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: Eastman's new scheme, recently the subject of informal discussions at

914
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: the White House, calls for sympathetic election officials and states

915
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: where the Democratic candidates win simply to delay or refuse

916
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: to submit the electoral votes at the time mandated by

917
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: the Constitution.

918
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 4: Eastman's notion is to find.

919
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: A way to avoid to void the electoral votes from

920
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: states with a large Democratic plurality, so that the number

921
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: of electoral votes needed to claim the presidency is low

922
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: enough to turn a losing Republican candidate into a president. So,

923
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: at the very least, this reporting suggests that there are

924
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: some serious conversations going on, seriously radical conversations going on

925
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: at the White House with regards both to the midterm

926
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Speaker 2: elections and.

927
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Speaker 4: To twenty twenty eight.

928
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit specifically about put C four

929
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: up on the screen, about what the plan may be

930
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: in Fulton County in particular. This was a This was

931
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: a piece from Greg Bluestein. Could the FBI raid in

932
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: Fulton set the stage for takeover of counties elections? Now,

933
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: I want you guys to understand, Greg Bluestein is a

934
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: straight news reporter. Okay, this is not you know, some

935
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: lefty conspiracy or liberal resistance tinfoil hat conspiracy. This is

936
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: based on a law that was passed in the state

937
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: of Georgia in the wake of twenty twenty that gives

938
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: the Republican dominated legislature the ability to take control of

939
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: county election boards in the event of there's like a

940
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: series of triggers, and one of them is some sort

941
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: of investigation into malfeasance. So the idea you're laid out

942
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: by Greg is that this FBI raid in and of

943
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: itself could be the predicate for Trump allied Republicans in

944
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: the state, which, by the way, the state election board

945
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: is now dominated by hardcore Trump loyalists for them to

946
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: take over control of Fulton County elections. If Republicans are

947
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: able to effectively rig Fulton County and make sure that

948
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: the Democratic vote is significantly depressed enough, it is game

949
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: over for Democrats in the state of Georgia because the

950
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: vast bulk of their votes come from Fulton County. This

951
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: is Atlanta, Georgia, right, This is the heavy population center.

952
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: It's heavily Democratic, and they have to run up the

953
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: score there in order to win the state. John Ossoff

954
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: is Senator from Georgia. He's on the Valley's probably the

955
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: most sort of endangered Democratic incumbent in the Senate. So

956
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: he is putting out here that this could very well

957
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: be the plan. And when he talked to some of

958
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: the board members on state Board of Elections and other

959
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: people who are relevant to this, they would not rule

960
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: out the possibility. And one said, yeah, this is something

961
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 2: that we are looking at. So with Fulton County in particular,

962
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: I think this could be the plan that they're going

963
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: with here.

964
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like you said, I looked into the specifics

965
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: the state. Georgia State Election Board has to appoint and

966
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: superintendent to run that county's election. Now, currently we should

967
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: remember that they're currently the Georgia Secretary of State is

968
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: actually the chair of the board and only votes in it.

969
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: Ty that's Brad Raffensburger, who is famous from that previous

970
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: time period. And it's still kind of an open question

971
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: at least for two of these people who would be

972
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: appointed by the House and the Senate. Don't forget, Georgia

973
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: does also have a significant number of Republicans who broke

974
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: with Trump on Stop the Steal and previously not just

975
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: broke one reelection, including from their governor Brad Raffensberger and others.

976
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: But no, we should lay out the possibility because what

977
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: the point is around this trigger is that all they

978
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: need is something called evidence of dysfunction, even if no

979
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: wrongdoing is proved now to be I mean, technically you

980
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: know this is Georgia state law right in the way

981
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: that this is all written. The question is whether the

982
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: FBI seizure and eventual case would then be able to

983
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: be brought to the state super of the state superintendent

984
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: be appointed, and whether any of this is going to

985
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: withstand court challenge. Remember too, that evidence of dysfunction from

986
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: what I read, has to be evidence on its face,

987
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: and in many cases, Trump and his administration has undermined

988
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: much of their cases because they will undermine, let's say,

989
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: the facts while saying no, this is a political decision,

990
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: just trying to take over, which of course would spell

991
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 3: problems for them at a federal law level or sorry,

992
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: at state law level when it would face shock. This

993
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: is not going to just be quietly into the night.

994
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: This is going to be heavily litigated if something like

995
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: this does.

996
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: Happen, and Trump making that congratulatory call to the FBI

997
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: agents that Zcaca was talking about before. That does not

998
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: help the administration's case that this was some neutral fact

999
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: finding mission. One more piece here that is very weird.

1000
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: Puts C three up on the screen. So this is

1001
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: regard to Tolsi Gabbard. This was reported by the Wall

1002
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: Street Journal. They say that there's a classified whistle blower

1003
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: complaint about Tulsi Gabbard that is stalled within her agency.

1004
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 4: I'll read you a bit of this.

1005
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: US intelligence official has alleged wrongdoing by d and I

1006
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: Toulsi Gabbard in a whistleblower complaint that is so highly

1007
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: classified it has sparked months of wrangling over how to

1008
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: share it with Congress. According to US officials, the filing

1009
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: of the complaint has prompted a continuing behind the scenes

1010
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: struggle about how to assess and handle it, with the

1011
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 2: whistleblower's lawyer accusing Gabbard of stonewalling the complaint. Gabbard's office

1012
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: rejects that characterization, contending and is navigating a unique set

1013
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: of circumstances and working to resolve the issue. A cloak

1014
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: and dagger mystery reminiscent of a John lecare a novel

1015
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: is swirling around The complaint, which is said to be

1016
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: locked in a safe disclosure of its contents could quote

1017
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: cause grave damage to national security, one officials set. It

1018
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: also implicates another federal agency beyond Gabbert's and raises potential

1019
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: claims of executive privilege that may involve the White House.

1020
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: The complaint was filed last May with the Intelligence Communities

1021
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Inspector General, according to a November letter. The letter, which

1022
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: was viewed by The Wall Street Journal, accused Gabbert's office

1023
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: of hindering the dissemination of the complaint to lawmakers by

1024
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: failing to provide necessary security guidance on how to do so.

1025
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: The Gabbard people are pointing to, and the administration is

1026
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: pointing to, there was an inspector General who assessed the claims.

1027
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: They found one to be not credible, the other one

1028
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: they were able to assess the.

1029
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: Validity of that claim.

1030
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: They appear, on their face, the Trump administration to be

1031
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: in violation of requirements that they share this information with Congress.

1032
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: This was reported to them, you know, all the way

1033
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: back in May. And so there's a lot of intrigue

1034
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: surrounding whatever this thing is and why it is being

1035
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: so closely held that it can't be shared with him.

1036
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody.

1037
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: We're not really even sure if this is relevant to

1038
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: election question. Like you said, it specifically said that the

1039
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: allegation specifically about Gradible Gabbard weren't credible according to the

1040
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: Inspector General, and this is.

1041
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: One of them. Was any other one they couldn't indeterminate.

1042
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: It's I'm skeptical only because I've seen enough of these

1043
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: whistleblower reports end up being bullshit and or like Russia

1044
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 3: Gate level of nonsense. Remember Ukraine Gate under Donald Trump.

1045
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: But look, you can't put anything past the current administration.

1046
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: So I really have no idea what this entire thing

1047
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 3: is going to be. Also, you know, one of the

1048
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: reasons why one of the ways we worked on the

1049
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: first Trump administration is you would have these fake whistleblower

1050
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 3: complaints which would go to Congress and they would leak

1051
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: and it would be anonymous it it would be completely

1052
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: like a manufactured scandal. So I genuinely have no clue

1053
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: what this is. I mean, the story is crazy because

1054
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: it's about being locked and the safe, and it does

1055
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: have all this spy novel characterization. I personally look the

1056
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: Fulton thing. There's no whistleblower complaint. It's out and open.

1057
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, I'm involved, and I was available there.

1058
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: She even put her current Twitter bio as a photo

1059
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 3: of her on the phone right there. There's no hiding

1060
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: this like, it's out and open. This is, in my opinion,

1061
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: this is what there is to freak out about.

1062
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the reason it could connect is that

1063
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: if there is something that is real and that's damaging

1064
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: in this allegation, I mean, this is something that then

1065
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: Trump can use over Tulsi or that she would know

1066
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: that they have on her, so to speak, so you know,

1067
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: that would make her much more willing to I mean,

1068
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: this woman's already violated her supposed principles to the extent

1069
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: she ever had one, in a million different ways.

1070
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: But in any case, would.

1071
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: Provide additional pressure so that you know, she's going to

1072
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: be the face of this nonsense stop the Steel stuff.

1073
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: And I mean to my recollection back in twenty twenty, like,

1074
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Toulsi supported Joe Biden in that election.

1075
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 4: She was not she was not a stop the steel gal.

1076
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: You know, was not aware that she had made this turnal,

1077
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: though again not surprising given that any other thing that

1078
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: she supposedly stood.

1079
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: For the last she totally lost me.

1080
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: Whenever she did the Holy Iran turn Oh yeah, basically

1081
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: became Colin Power.

1082
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1083
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: Looking, or how about when Biden with you're from Afghanistan

1084
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: and she didn't have anything positive to say that.

1085
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 3: I mean that she was on her turns. That's when

1086
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: she was already becoming a Republican.

1087
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at this. She hasn't. I was just

1088
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: asked chat Chie Peti for quotes.

1089
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: It doesn't look like she ever made a public declaration

1090
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 3: on stop the Steal.

1091
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's supported. But I mean we interviewed her

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Speaker 1: too many times not to know how she used to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean one of the great lessons over the last

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Speaker 3: five years is that people who you think are for

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Speaker 3: real and will look you in the face literally, let's

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Speaker 3: say in the Tulsi's case, and you believe them. Let's say,

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Speaker 3: when what they're say when they come into high office,

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Speaker 3: apparently all of that just goes out the window. You

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Speaker 3: can read about it in a book, which I have

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Speaker 3: many times, but to experience it yourself, you're like, wow, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: well this is how easy it is to be manipulated.

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Speaker 2: And I think you both say too, like she's an

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Speaker 2: odd one, she's an inscrutable character. True, So there isn't

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what's in this whistleblower complaint.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's credible.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea, but you know, I don't put

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Speaker 2: it out of bounds that there was some sort of

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Speaker 2: weird something going on with her.

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Speaker 3: Was her eccentric character was proof positive that she didn't

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Speaker 3: give a shit.

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Speaker 1: That's why she was willing to buck on.

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Speaker 3: She was like, I don't care, she says, I don't

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Speaker 3: care about all these tracks, right, and that's why I

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Speaker 3: was very attractive. After a while, you're like, wow, like

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Speaker 3: this is a woman who really does not care about

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Speaker 3: Washington establishment or anything. He's willing to say whatever is

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Speaker 3: on her mind, like take very unpopular positions. She stood

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Speaker 3: up to Hillary whenever Hillary accused her of being a

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Speaker 3: Russian asset, all this stuff. I really thought she was heroic,

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Speaker 3: and I mean probably the person I changed my mind

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Speaker 3: most about, like coming into politics and especially getting to

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Speaker 3: know her. After a while, and then you know, over

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Speaker 3: the years, there are a few breadcrumbs and I was

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Speaker 3: like that's a little weird.

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Speaker 1: And then you go into the d n I thing.

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Speaker 3: I said, Okay, maybe it's like RFK, she has an agenda,

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Speaker 3: really going to be a fighter on, you know, certain issues.

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Speaker 3: And then now we're here Obama, Iran, Obamagate, and now

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Speaker 3: this you're like, oh, okay, you're just like everybody else,

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Speaker 3: wish