WEBVTT - Making a Difference 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to It with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.680 Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John and this 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.960 is cut to It. Good do It, Good do It. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.880 That's getting down to do it with Good do It. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.599 We asked the questions you always want to know, but 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:28.760 no one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.040 heard about it, then we're about to let you know 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:40.760 it's all coming up. On the cut to a podcast, 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.960 we've got Lorenz O'Neil, a four time pro bowler and 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.520 All Pro, a member of the two thousand's NFL All 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.320 Decade Team, but more importantly, just a fountain of wisdom. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:56.840 Lorenz O'Neil on the Cut to a Podcast, A guy 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.240 you blocked for two gave us a great story when 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.480 we asked this, um is where are you from? In 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.560 a place you call your hometown. The more the L 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.000 the move the big L town La Moore, California, where 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.760 I'm from. So if you look at California, you guys 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.800 know how long it is, you know, one of the 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.480 longest states to travel to California. We're in the Central Valley, 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.560 so we're dead smack in the middle. We're three hundred 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.479 miles south going down to l A. We're three hundred 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.520 miles north going up to the Bay San Francisco. So 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:31.120 we're in the middle. And those so Fresno, Bakersfield, by Saia, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.440 by Saiah, bakers for all those town those little those 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.280 little towns by the way, related to Tommy Smith, member 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.720 the sixty four Olympics up there when you know, so 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.440 he's from the more Steve Perry just a long just 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.200 a small town boy living in a lonely world. He's 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.000 you know, you know, dang your journey. He's more to 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.760 Steve Perry. So small town, but it's just a country, 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.320 a lot of egg form laying around, you know. So, 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.240 but we are centrally in the Central Valley. So that's 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:00.840 why they call it the cent Valley, where the raising 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.960 capital of the world. We produced over seventy five billion 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.440 dollars a year in in aggon and food. We feed 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.760 the majority of the world. Central Valley is so rich 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.000 in farm land, so that's where it's at. So three 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.000 miles south you go to l A, three hundred miles 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.800 north you go to San Francisco. So we're kind of 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:24.399 we're dead smack in the middle growing up there. How 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.959 did that shape your view in the world today. Well, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.120 I think that, you know what, you were blind a 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.720 little bit, but you were also it made you see 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.000 things differently because you're a young man growing up in 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.200 a town like that. Lots of Portuguese, a lot of 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.200 majority of Portuguese, and you know, and in white and 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.920 you know, blacks were kind of not necessarily a majority. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.520 A lot of the blacks came from you know, the 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.960 South and moved to Lamore, the Central Valley because you know, 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.799 in the sixties and fifties, a lot of people left, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.520 you know, far as leading getting out of the the 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.760 you know, Texas and stuff. So a lot of them 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.600 came out to California. My dad and grandmother my grandmother 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.079 was a Biola and Oliver was my grandfather, and they 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.400 came from Texas on the back of a truck, my 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.239 dad and his six brothers and my aunt Bernice, and 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.760 so it was a guy, a Cunneyman, they called him Cunneyman, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.480 and he would drive people and families out to California. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.640 And they took him out to the Island District and 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.000 now the Island District. It was quoted like a a 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.559 not a plantation, but it can a community almost, yes, 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.600 absolutely absolutely where all the blacks lived on on the 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.160 land and they shared and they work worked on different 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.280 forms and chopped cotton, picked cotton, and everyone says, chopp cotton. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.320 You don't chop cotton. What you do is you chopped 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:36.920 the weeds. So I grew up and we had we 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.280 had fifty acres and we still have it now I'm 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.400 developing that now residential. But so I had to I 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.880 had to chop cotton growing up. So you chopped the 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.720 weeds that are around the cotton. You gotta get a 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.720 hole and you go down the roads and you just 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.200 you hold the weeds from around the cotton. Um so 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.560 for it won't won't struck before it won't strangle the 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.360 cotton for to grow. So those are some of the things. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.000 And then my grandparents, my dad, my mom, they also 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:01.760 we had to pick cotton. So you pick the cotton, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.240 you make sure picking your the sacks that you pick, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.200 you wait them and you got paid for that. I 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.280 didn't pick cotton, but you know, my my thing was 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.680 I did chop, you know, the weeds from around it. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.800 But we had a cotton picker so we didn't have 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.240 to do that with my grandparents, and my mom and 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.680 dad had to do. So those kind of things kind 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.479 of they kind of molded me and kind of you asked, 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.680 you know, what did it bring for me? It taught 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.600 me how to work. You taught me about hard work. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.880 I still go out and cut grass. I you know, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.480 I have rental properties and latle more. I got a 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.880 hammer and nail like and sheet rock. I try to 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.279 tell my kids, I said, look, when dad gone was 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.080 Dad's gone. That's why I try to get you guys 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.480 to come out here and work, because you need to know, well, dad, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.160 we can hire someone. I said, yeah, but if you 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.040 got a room and you gotta you know, tend by 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.440 ten by ten room, you know that's four how many? 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.559 You know? Where's the stud you got? Your two before 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.000 is every sixteen or every twelve inches? So I can 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.840 tell you even though you don't have to be going 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.599 out going out and doing the work, at least I 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.839 want you guys to know how many sheet how many 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:00.960 two before is you need to by? So if you 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.320 learn that stuff now, no one can't beat you. So 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.719 those those are the certain things that really really that 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.240 I gravitated towards that kind of you know, still keep 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.800 me and keeps me molded. Who I am? My grandmother, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.200 like I said, she was nineties seven when she died. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.560 And I remember my senior year. I was the League 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.760 Player of the year. I was the Central Section player 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.599 of the year. I was the valley player, the athletic 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.919 of the year, and I was Northern California Athlete of 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.120 the Year. And I was California Athlete of the Year. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.520 And Janet Evans says, Lorenzo is the King, and Janets 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.919 the Queen. Janet EVTs who won the Olympics. And I 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.640 beat out Michael Kim who was a tennis player, UM 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.200 for Athlete of the Year, Curtis Conaway, all the greats. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.200 And I remember sitting with my grandmother and she said, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.440 come here. What she said, sit down? And said, oh, grandma, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.359 she's like she's going to sit and talk to me. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:53.680 She had an old beat up station one and said, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.320 don't worry, I'm not gonna give you the station where again. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.040 I said, oh, thank god? And so he said down. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.080 You know what, sudden she goes, you can do all 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.960 those things she calls you know what, you're all these athletes, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.360 all these you know, accolades you're getting and people are 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.480 bragging about you, she said. But let me tell you something. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.599 She said, I came from Fort Worth, Texas. I had 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.240 your I was I was picking cotton. As she said, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.839 she was a forming over twenty people. That she was 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.599 you know you still she was picking cotton, but she 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.280 was forming over twenty people, making sure they picked and 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.320 did the things that they need to do. She said, 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.680 I was pregnantly druncle Joe. I went into labor on Wednesday, 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.919 I went worked Thursday, I had your uncle. Friday, I 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.360 went back to work and I said, Grandma, why don't 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.120 you just take the weekend. You're already gonna be off 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.640 for the weekend, and you just could have took Friday 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.240 and then been off and go back Monday. She said, son, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.839 she goes, I'll tell you this, never take a vacation 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.760 when the bosses around, she I said, why not? She said, 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.320 they'll realize how much they don't need you. And at 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.480 that time, I really know, as a senior in high school, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.919 but you know, all those times and she how was 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.520 she even got to see me play in the pros. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.200 She lived a great life, But all that time I 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.479 didn't know until you know got in college and then 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.520 the heighs the pros. She was telling me something. You 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:06.960 could be as good, You could be the best. But 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.440 if you take a vacation when the bosson around, they'll 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.800 realized they don't know need you. Someone else is gonna 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:14.080 take your price. Someone else is just as wrong. Someone 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.560 else wants to be that supervisor. Someone else wants to 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.960 be that supervisor over twenty someone else wants to be 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.280 that starting fullback. Someone else wants your job. So never 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.440 take a vacation when the boston around, because they will 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.600 realize how much they don't need you. And those are 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.960 the things that I still tell my kids. Those are 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.600 things that I tell people when I go and talk 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.880 to them. Those are so important for not just not 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.640 just not just in sports, but just in life in general. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.600 It's fun is when hearing you say all of this 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.960 with the same enthusiasm. Is how you taught a lot 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.360 of players. Why you why you were on teams with 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:52.840 the Cincinnati Bengals with the obviously on that um Hall 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.480 of Fame career where la Damian Thomas and and and 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.680 just what you did and meeting a guy named Steve 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.280 Smith before he became senior at the Pro Bowl. Um, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.680 just all of that stuff that you've taught so many 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:09.920 players that have so many high um admirations for you. Man, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.160 I appreciate it. My thing, Stephen, You know it, man, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.760 you're that guy that everyone in the league. They knew, 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.880 whether you know, watching you play in the attitude and 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:24.120 which you went about it and you demanded respect and 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:25.960 it wasn't You didn't have to talk about it. They 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.400 just knew Steve was gonna be playing. I don't care. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.200 They knew that they were gonna go into the meeting. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:33.680 They don't care how big, how small, hall or whatever. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.680 They knew that they had the game playing for you. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.960 You can't teach that. That's something that you have inside you. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.200 That's something that's been instilled. That's just your heart. That's 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.760 just your termination. No size or nothing determines who you are. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.600 That doesn't define you. Steve is you know we're talking 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:49.959 about me and I don't mean you. That's what we 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.640 have a kind of spirit. We love each other, love 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.400 each other family. But the biggest thing, man, it's like, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.160 it doesn't matter. It could be the biggest dude in 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.920 the world. Steve. You ain't backing down even if they 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.920 whipped your ass, that's just not who you are. I'm 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.199 being you know. You know that, bro, that's just but 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.880 a lot of people we pit bulls, and a lot 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.880 of people don't have that. They don't have that in factor. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.240 It's you gotta you gotta kill us. And that's what 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.600 makes that's the difference between good and great. That's the 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.680 difference that separated you. And that's the difference that separate you. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:20.920 That you can wait, Okay, you no way, not on 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.920 my watch, no way. You might beat me. You might 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.120 win the game, but you ain't beating Steve. That that's 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.760 just how you're built. You wasn't beating you. You might 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.719 win the team, your team might have lost. You might 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.760 your team might have struggled. But something inside of you 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.880 that you're gonna say, I'm whooping your ass today, you ain't. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.040 You might, you might, you guys might win. But I'm 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.959 gonna tell you right now, y'all don't know that I'm here. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.760 You would block, you would hit guys. You would. It 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.679 doesn't matter what your job was. That's what made you great, bro, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.319 That's what made you great. I don't know if the 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.800 sounds how do how do you feel hearing that from Lorenzo, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:03.840 it's hard to digest the bill what that's just it 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.240 allows you, I believe. One of the reasons why I 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:13.079 have such a hard time hearing compliments, especially from people 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:18.120 I admire or respect or I really value, including you 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.559 and a lot of you know people are our production 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.880 team and that we work with, is because it allows 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.720 me to take my card down. And I don't like 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.360 taking my card down, because if I take my guard down, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:39.360 the fear of more of being emotionally hurt because of 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.640 I know, you know you can physically hurt me. And okay, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.040 I you know I have a high threshold of pain. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:52.120 You know, I've been through some things emotionally that that's 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.480 hard to get through, right you You've seen people who 0:10:55.559 --> 0:11:00.520 have dealt with things emotionally as children, and you can, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.120 you can talk to someone long enough you realize, Man, 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:09.319 their childhood screwed them up. I don't want to be that, right. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.760 I think some of my childhood already wounded me. Sure, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:19.600 And so that's why, you know it's it. It has 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:26.240 taken a lot of years to create a smile for me. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.840 Along For a long time, it was easier to frown, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.160 you know, because if you keep yourself close guarded, like 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.640 if you look like you're unapproachable, people want to approach you, exactly. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.680 And if people don't approach you, you you don't have to talk. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.200 So it just goes down the whole thing. And so 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:45.600 you know that really that isolation, right, Um, for a 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.480 long time, isolation was where I thrived, right, It's where 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.600 I felt comfortable. So you know, so and with that, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.280 with that, you know, even though you were loved, then 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.200 you find it hard to really submit or to be 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.280 just okay, I'm a very I'm a bear who aream 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.000 because you're used to being on this island and people 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:06.960 might say they can help you, they might tell you 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.160 they love you and all those different things, but it's 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.120 just it's it's it's a it's a place that you 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.520 just like you. You want to believe it, but anytime 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:21.480 things happen, if you don't have you, yeah, it's you. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.559 It's like a mental prison. Almost, No, it's not, it's not. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.080 It's not a mental prison. What's the prisoner is having 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.480 a friendship with someone that it isn't really a true friendship. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.040 That's because because then what are you left with your 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.800 left You're left sitting there picking up your own emotional pieces, 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:45.679 going see and you start to digest or you start 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.040 to piece together, well, they don't want to really be 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.360 my friend. That you don't say they aren't my friend, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.760 or the relationship wasn't good because they are someone who's wounded, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.120 or didn't know this or that it's or was it 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.080 I said this that that that made them feel this way? 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.760 Did I do this and and some of it? So 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.240 you start to figure out and then you start putting 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.280 putting the piece together, so you're having a conversation with 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.360 yourself ultimately says I did something wrong, that's why it 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.160 didn't work out. So if you don't have that, then 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.360 you're safe. So it's not it's not that prison that 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.280 you know. You're feeling safe this. People who don't run 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.920 would not get this. There's a place where it's called 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:34.200 no man's land, where the slow runners are, where they 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.960 are then the fast runners, or where they are if 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.360 you're stuck in the middle. So if you if you 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.920 hang with the slow people, right, y'all go at the 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.319 pace that's comfortable for you, guys. But if you're if 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.480 you're a slow person trying to run with a fast 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:52.360 pace and you can't keep up your body. Your mind 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:59.920 say your mind's telling you legs, just say no, right, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.360 your legs like acid build up, you start heading a 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.720 breathing and so you start to back up. You're in 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.720 the middle. You're in between the fast people, but you're 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.800 you're not fast enough to be with for the for 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:16.040 the for the six minute mile pace, but you're faster, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.000 You're faster than the fifteen minute mile pace. So you're 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.320 stuck in the middle. So you have to maintain chase 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.160 but keep off the slow people. So you're you're in 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:34.200 the middle and you're dog low and that if you 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:38.640 are not prepared and ready to run a marathon by yourself, 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:44.960 come on, it's a struggle. I mean, it is a struggle. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.600 And some people and I'm not saying this and and 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.080 a negative I'm just I'm just being honest. I'm throwing 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.200 it out there. This is where some people commit suicide. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.640 This is where some people, uh slip the risk. This 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.640 is where some people do not know how you're being 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.360 real deal with some of what's going on. And there 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.600 have been times pretty much a lot of my career, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.240 I would say about seven right at first, first eight 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.560 or nine years, man, I was okay with being No 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.960 Man's Land. I preferred being in No Man's Land because 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.560 you couldn't tell me I was too slow. Hell, I 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.640 knew I couldn't run fast. So I was okay with 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.680 being No Man's Land because it gave me a place 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:34.120 there was. I was my judge, jury, and executioner. And 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.240 I was happy with it. Because some nights I went 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.880 to bed terrible day, I was okay with I'll just 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:44.080 go to sleep, wake up, try again. I trusted no 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.960 one to really give me anything that was really beneficial. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.200 And that's why Michael Jackson said it best. Stuck in 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:56.040 the middle. You got to get over. You can't get up. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:00.480 y'all like, but it's just you know, and that's where 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.120 it is. And and I think that No Man's Land 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.040 is a really good place, but it is a very 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.640 dangerous place without some some good counseling, without some some 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.800 good mentor ship, without some people that really can love 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.000 on you and you also can love on them back, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.200 Like Zow is one of those guys. You know, when 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.440 the Super Bowl happens, um, when some big event that 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:30.160 requires us former players are current players to get around 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.000 each other. We see each other that's he's one of 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:36.920 those guys where I'm okay if he's a slow runner, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.200 a fast paced running, I'm okay with sprinting with him 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.680 because he just lifts you up. You see someone, it's 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.000 like it's like going to an event or you're the 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.520 new employee at a huge corporation and you're going to 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.720 the cafeteria and you see that one person you know 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.760 and you are belining to them. Yeah, I'm comfortable, Yes, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.480 but it's not comfortable because I feel safe. It's comfortable 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.719 because of who he is or who she is, and 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.560 those one Lorenzo is wanted as those guys he texts. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.080 Um you ask and they say, well, it's for Lorenzo. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.000 I've been on the show a few times and that's 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:21.639 some days I'm like, it's West Coast Mathematics today. You know, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.359 it's like Lorenzo. Oh yeah, that big dog. Absolutely, And 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.639 that's what that's who he is that he like he 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:37.280 loses the confidence of true friendship. Really like me and 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.400 you're bomb. You get on my nerves, I get on 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:45.280 your nerves, but ultimately you're one of my closest friends 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.040 and I would lose if I would lose you in 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.320 our friendship. It would take me a long time to 0:17:53.359 --> 0:18:00.119 get over. I could buy some friends, but bro, you 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:05.280 are you You're not one of those friends. That that's 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.800 I don't have the amount of money in my bank 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.040 account because of what you brain. You know, I appreciate that. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.119 I appreciate that. Well, man, that's that's a that's that's heavy. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.200 But even with that, Lorenzo, how how do you how 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.680 did you landed that place that Steve is described as being, 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.440 for lack of a better words, being an o G. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.800 Being the person that looks out for other people, you 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.760 know a lot of it. Like Steve, we've we've been hurt, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:35.320 we've been but you still love people. And for me, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.159 my dad he was just my dad, you know, as 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.880 a pastor and you know you'd be passed five years ago, 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.199 and uh he was a good man. Was he perfect? No? 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.280 And I think that you know, growing up sometimes you know, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.879 being a you know, a set of a preacher, you 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.080 stray and I'm a lie, I'm a chieved, I'm you 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:59.640 name it, I'm not I'm that person. And and then 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.720 something I thought, like like Steve talked about, you know, 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.199 have I'm not saying to speaking for Steve, but I'll 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.399 speak for me. Have we have I thought about that? 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:09.800 I get a gun and put it, pull it out 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.440 and say I'm gonna commit suicide? No? Have we all 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.560 thought of Have we thought about it? Have we thought 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.560 about relationships? All those different things? Yes? I think that 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.359 if you people that say that they haven't, I think 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:24.120 they're not. They're lying to themselves. We we we are, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.560 we are humans. We are human beings and in those 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.439 nature and those things that we're talking about, love and 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.160 respect and knowing who one another is. My dad told 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.399 me a couple of things, and one of them that 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.640 just stuck out with me and he said, he said, son, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.439 you know, I got out of college running while gotten 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.320 pros doing my thing. And he said, son, he goes 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.639 he got to sow down, and he just but he knew. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.000 But he talked me in a way, he says, son. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.120 He said, Look, if you hang out with four people 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.000 that make a dollar, he says, son, pretty soon there'll 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.560 be five. And wow, and you just I mean, and 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.879 it's and it's your timing. So when you're asking. Was 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.880 always good to people, Yeah, all the time, wasn't crazier 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.760 and assis when I was drunk, But far As just 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.760 being a good person. I was always a good person. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.600 I've done some bad things, and we all have. And 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:14.040 that's why for me, I had to learn how to forgive, forgive, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.119 forgetting that, you know, because we can do other people, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.840 you know, low money and do things and be there. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.360 But then sometimes we do all these things because we're 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.800 not willing to forgive U forgive ourselves. And that's what 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.720 I had recently. And that's why, you know, you know, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.159 I depend more on a higher power, and you know, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:33.680 I get up and try to pray more. I get 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.200 up and try to do things for not that I'm 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.119 some Bible thumper, you know, I still understand it, because 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.879 what happens is we have been taught a lot of 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.399 black churches and a lot of black that, hey, you 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:47.960 gotta do this, you gotta give more money, you gotta tie, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.399 you gotta you gotta go you know what, you gotta go, 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.200 do this, you gotta do this. No, and Exodus Jesus said, 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:55.520 he said, you know, God, he said, I'm the guy 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.680 who brought the children of Israel for forty I brought 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.320 you out of Egypt, he says, So hear me. See 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.399 so many people in churches, and I think that's what 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.880 we that's why people turn from God that like he's 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:07.680 a genie in a bottle and they rubbed a bloom. 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:09.439 Ah need a new car, Oh God, I need a 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.240 new house, or I needed this, I need that, and 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.800 it's but they're not, they're not. That's not what he 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.760 that's not what he came for, Kim and show. It's 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.600