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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little known facts

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We're

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Speaker 1: two guys with too much free time in our hands.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan run Tug and I'm Alex Hegel,

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Speaker 1: and today we're taking a look at what's gonna be

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Speaker 1: my favorite song about a piece of architecture, Stairway to Heaven.

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Speaker 1: Stairway turned fifty years old not too long ago in November,

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Speaker 1: and this song is maybe one of the most divisive

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Speaker 1: topics we're gonna tackle on the show, because there are

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Speaker 1: some who say that it's, you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest classic rock tracks of all time, and then there

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Speaker 1: are others who say that it's an overplayed and overblown mess,

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Speaker 1: which is emblematic of the worst of the excesses of

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Speaker 1: the early seventies record industry. I'd argue, can it be both?

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Speaker 1: It absolutely can. I Mean, there's that Chuck Closterman bit

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Speaker 1: about every man at some point where most men anyway

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Speaker 1: become a Zeppla guy, and I was for sure a

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Speaker 1: Zeppelin guy. There are certain things that reliably like still

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Speaker 1: give me chills. One of them is the Dude Dude

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Speaker 1: brianan Nana Nana Nana in a whole lot of love,

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Speaker 1: like after they come out of the space section, and

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Speaker 1: the other one is the steroid of heaving guitar solo.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's perfect. They knocked it out of the park.

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Speaker 1: It is overplayed, but you know, but it's also perfect.

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Speaker 1: We both played guitar. Was Stairway at early guitar track

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Speaker 1: for you was that? I feel like that's everyone's first

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Speaker 1: song that they learned. It wasn't because my best friend

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Speaker 1: at the time played guitar and he had enough of

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Speaker 1: a head start on me that I couldn't play guitar.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't an option for me. So I picked bass,

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Speaker 1: which has defined the entire course of my life ever since.

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Speaker 1: So thanks Stairway. I mean, I gotta say I was

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Speaker 1: never I never really had my Zeppelin guy phase because

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Speaker 1: I was more of a Who guy. I got into

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Speaker 1: them first, and then when I saw Zeppelin, I was like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, you got the the blonde front man

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Speaker 1: with his chest out and the leather fringe. You've got

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Speaker 1: the guitar god Whizzerd figures kind of orchestrating at all.

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Speaker 1: You've got the quiet, kind of sullen bassist who's like

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Speaker 1: actually secretly the m v P and like a one

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Speaker 1: man orchestra who plays everything. And then you've got this

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Speaker 1: like human muppet freight train guy on the drums. Wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, I know this, This is the who I've

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Speaker 1: already like, I've already set my allegiance here. All those

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Speaker 1: are all very salient comparisons that are objectively incorrect. Um,

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Speaker 1: how so well, I think the big difference is that

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Speaker 1: who started out as a garage band and gradually got

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Speaker 1: better but their reach exceeded their grasp. Jimmy Page can

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Speaker 1: play guitar better than Pete Townsend with one hand. Um.

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Speaker 1: Roger Daltree is like one of the great all time

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Speaker 1: like howlers, like screamers, but he absolutely cannot seeing like

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Speaker 1: Robert Plant and Keith Keith was an embarrassment. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's he's a terrible drummer. He's great for

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Speaker 1: the band. I have this possibly apocryphal story that a

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Speaker 1: drummer friend of mine told me where Keith Moon was.

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Speaker 1: He'd somehow arranged to take a lesson with Philly Joe

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Speaker 1: Jones who's like one of the greatest jazz drummers of

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Speaker 1: He got in front of him for like a lesson,

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Speaker 1: and Philly Joe was like, all right, why don't you

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Speaker 1: play a little, and you know, we'll kind of go

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Speaker 1: from there. I'll see how you play. And Keith Moon's

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Speaker 1: like doing his Keith Moon thing, like trying to hit

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Speaker 1: every symbol at Octopus. Yeah, just like playing out with

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Speaker 1: like six rows of Tom Tom's and I'm sure just

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Speaker 1: And he gets he gets done and filling up his

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Speaker 1: bass drum for nobody. Yeah, and he gets done, and

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Speaker 1: Philly Joe is like, wait, you're in a band like people,

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Speaker 1: people pay you to play music, So yeah, I get

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Speaker 1: that comparison. I think a lot of people also make it,

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Speaker 1: but um, I don't. Zeppelin is the far superior band

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. I mean, I I've bled for the Who.

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Speaker 1: When I was a teenager, I tried to do like

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Speaker 1: just absolutely sliced my hand that I still have a

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Speaker 1: know what. I'm coming to play a gig in New

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Speaker 1: me and meet backstage and we'll we'll shake scarred, bloody hands,

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Speaker 1: which is very nice of him, and we did. That

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Speaker 1: always be a good guy over Zeppelin. That's so great. Well,

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Speaker 1: I gotta say I've heard this song all my life

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Speaker 1: and there are still so many mysteries about it, and frankly,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the for the pity laugh, Higl. But

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Speaker 1: before we dive in, we should get one thing straight

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Speaker 1: now for listeners out there, I'm not saying this will happen,

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Speaker 1: but if if there's a bustle in your head, rep

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Speaker 1: please don't be alarmed. It's just the sound of Higl

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Speaker 1: and I diving into everything you didn't know about. Stairway

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Speaker 1: to Heaven door slamming sound effect or it's the out

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Speaker 1: out one of my most hated cliches. By seventy led

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Speaker 1: Zeppelin we're at a crossroads. Um they were, but the

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Speaker 1: crossroads was like, you know, a touring induced malaise. So

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Speaker 1: by seventy they've released their first three records, which are

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Speaker 1: and then led Zeppelin to They start working on that

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Speaker 1: as led Zeppelin four, but it's also known as runes. Um.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who designed the runes? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: Paul Jones. Actually, Bonham picked the symbol from the same book,

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Speaker 1: and Plant designed his own. So all right, Robert Plant

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Speaker 1: the secret graphic designer of of led Zeppelin. Anyway, Moving

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Speaker 1: having these impossible without mentioning Headley Grange. Yes, like so

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Speaker 1: many stories involving led Zeppelin, there is a haunted house involved,

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Speaker 1: and Headley Grange is most certainly haunted, right. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: they started the sessions in London, which we will also

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Speaker 1: according to England's National Heritage List, Headley Grange was built

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Speaker 1: So it's definitely haunted. It's haunted by surly poor, working

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Speaker 1: Company and Genesis all rehearsed there or worked on recordings there,

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Speaker 1: But despite this sterling pedigree, they never fixed the heat

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Speaker 1: It's so British, like the band and Bob Dylan retreated

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that Zeppelin started these sessions in London and

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Speaker 1: the plan was to record at Mick Jagger's place, which

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Speaker 1: is called star Groves. What a name, Yeah, Mick Jagger.

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Speaker 1: got to get that day right down, little bunzer. You've

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Speaker 1: gone through ten grand worth of beer this week, I

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Speaker 1: mean a little. In fact, Jimmy Page actually invented group

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Speaker 1: On to try to get rock groups better rates at

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Speaker 1: Mick Jagger's house. Another another fun fact about star Groves

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Speaker 1: is they went back to star Groves actually, so in

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Speaker 1: seventy two they record stuff for Houses of the Holy

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Speaker 1: they bargained Jagger down on the day rate a lot

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Speaker 1: They're at least like early sessions for it. Who Deep

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Speaker 1: connection Iron Maiden, which is amazing. So the last thing

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Speaker 1: and its grounds were used to film Doctor Who Specials

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Speaker 1: by that. I can imagine being a huge Doctor Who fan.

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Speaker 1: So the other big figure in the Zeppelin four recording

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Speaker 1: just the there. Apparently during cross examination or whatever, the

425
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: lawyer even played Jimmy Page Chim Chimmrie from Mary Poppins

426
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: and tried to get him to cop to being influenced

427
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: by that. This court case just got mean. Um, it's

428
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: funny because this guy who wrote the Spirit song tourists

429
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: Randy California, which he'll tell us about Randy in a minute.

430
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: He didn't really care about this for a long time.

431
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Speaker 1: He wrote in a set of liner notes for a

432
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Speaker 1: Spirit set box set, I guess or a reissue, he

433
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this kind of sounds like Stairway. But

434
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't even until the basis for the band whose

435
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: name is Mark Andy's, which is the second geographical name

436
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: of this band if he filed this, and this wasn't

437
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: settled until March of in San Francisco, and they ruled

438
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: against Spirit and Randy California was dead by this point too.

439
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: So during his lifetime, he and he may have noted

440
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Speaker 1: that there were similarities, but he never took it to

441
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: quarter or anything. I gotta say, this guy, Randy California,

442
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: had a pretty crazy life. I want to go off

443
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: on a little bit of a tangent on him. Yeah,

444
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Randy California Lightning Round. He was born Randy Wolf, which

445
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: is also a pretty amazing name, and he got to

446
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: start playing in Jimmy Hendricks's pre experienced band, Jimmy James

447
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: and the Blue Flames, and he was just like a teenager.

448
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: And it was Hendricks who gave him the name Randy

449
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Speaker 1: California to distinguish him from another Randy in the band

450
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: that he called Randy Texas. Um, dig baby, I'm gonna

451
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Speaker 1: call you Randy California, Randy Texas. They're like, Okay, I

452
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: don't know why he called him Randy calif because he's

453
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Speaker 1: not I mean, he's I thought he grew up in

454
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Speaker 1: New York, so maybe he just thought he had like

455
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Speaker 1: a California vibe. Maybe he just had like pre hippie

456
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: long and hairris stuff, because this would have been like

457
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Speaker 1: six five sixties six. Randy California. His neighbor around this

458
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: time was Walter Becker, the future Steely Dan co founder. Yeah,

459
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: which is so great. They apparently lived next to each

460
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: other in an apartment in Forest Hills, Queens, and Randy

461
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: California gave Walter Becker blues guitar lessons for a time,

462
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Speaker 1: so we can thank him for some of those great

463
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: Steely Dan licks too. And this is my favorite part.

464
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: Apparently Walter Becker later if Steely Dan, Randy California briefly

465
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Speaker 1: played in a short lived band called Tangerine Puppets with

466
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Speaker 1: the future Tommy Ramone and Johnny Ramone. Isn't that not?

467
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not clear if they were all in

468
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Speaker 1: the band at the same time or if it was

469
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: just the same band that they filtered through, but I

470
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: like to believe that they're all altogether to be a

471
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: fly on that wall. I can't think of two more

472
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed seventies bands than the Ramones in terms of

473
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: their approach to everything. Writing, performing, Yeah, everything really, so

474
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty amazing. So Randy California ended up moving

475
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Speaker 1: to California. He fulfilled the destiny of his name, founded

476
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: the band's spirit with his stepfather, which I think is

477
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: kind of a weird way to bond, but I'm still cool. Uh.

478
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: He wrote their biggest hit, Nature's Way, which is a

479
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 1: great song if you don't know it. It's like, got

480
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: this very doomy late sixties acoustic kind of like that

481
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: Zagger and Evans in the year type of vibe to it.

482
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: And Yeah, like I said, Randy never made a move

483
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Speaker 1: Agains Zeppelin in his lifetime. But he died at the

484
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: age of forty five while rescuing his twelve year old

485
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: son from a rip tide off the coast of Hawaii.

486
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: What a life, What a way to go? Yeah? Right,

487
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: and what a life? I mean. So, regardless of what

488
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: the courts ruled, I'd like to give a tip of

489
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: the hat to old Randy right now, because that is

490
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: that is a life. That is a full life, a

491
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: rich life. If you'd like to add anything to this conversation,

492
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: please treated us using the hashtag Grandy California. Um, it's

493
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: also impossible to talk about led Zeppelin and specifically stay

494
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Speaker 1: Away without getting into plants lyrics, which he has claimed

495
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Speaker 1: that he wrote most of for Stairway in a single

496
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: sitting sitting at Grange listening to the fragments of the song,

497
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: and he said it was like automatic writing, like he

498
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: was channeling these lines. Yeah, or maybe that's his way

499
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: of just denying responsibility for the lyrics that he would

500
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: later come to hate. I mean, we'll, we'll, we'll get

501
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: more of the Robbert Plants fears burning hatred of this

502
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: song later, but he later would come to find them

503
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: naive and embarrassing. But it's definitely worth noting that the

504
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: band printed the lyrics to Stairway and only Stairway, on

505
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: the gatefold sleeve of led Zeppelin four, which was I

506
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: think the first time they'd ever printed their lyrics on

507
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: an album cover, So clearly they must have been proud

508
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: of this at the time, and Page would later say

509
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Speaker 1: that he knew it was special. We also can't talk

510
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: about Starway to Heaven without talking about all the ad

511
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: libs that Plant would do when they were playing it live.

512
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: The song remains the same as a classic, essential bit

513
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: of both documentary making and seventies cheese um, and he

514
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: has some of his favorite ad libs, like does does

515
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: anyone remember laughter? After After the Hills with Echo of Laughter?

516
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: And the producer of that film, Kevin Shirley, told Mick

517
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: Wall in a book called When Giants Walked the Earth

518
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: that plant asked him to remove that when they reissued it,

519
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: because I guess he was embarrassed, and they said no,

520
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: it stays in the film, and he he's you know,

521
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: he's talked a lot about the song. We'll get more

522
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: into that later, as you said, but he called it

523
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: a nice, pleasant, well meaning naive little song, very English

524
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: to Rolling Stone, which is very true. Is It's very true.

525
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: And in the Hammer of the Gods it's mentioned that

526
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: he had been reading this book that's occult book called

527
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: the Magic Arts in Celtic Britain by a Scottish folklore's

528
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: named Lewis Spence before he wrote the lyrics. So there's

529
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: a good bit of that in there. A Hammer Are

530
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: the Gods, by the way, is like the like the

531
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: er text for led Zeppelin, like so many myths can

532
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: be traced to that book. I don't actually know how

533
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: truthful it is. Yeah, it's widely contested book. And yeah,

534
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: he's also such an avowed token fan. There's like gollam

535
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: Is ramble on. They have a song called the Battle

536
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: of Evermore. Another one of his on stage ad libs

537
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: is just yelling out Strider, which is the name of

538
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: his dog and the part famously Vigo Mortenson in the films. Yeah,

539
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: you can hear him on stage. It's going stride. Uh.

540
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's he calling out to the character or

541
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: to his dog, or up for debate his dog. It's

542
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: definitely the dog. I mean, trying to get into Robert

543
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: Plant's head is kind of a fool's errand. And nowhere's

544
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: is more apparent than trying to determine what he means

545
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: in the lyrics the Stairway to Heaven. I mean, I

546
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: don't think even he knows. I think there's a quote

547
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: that he said in recent years, for he said that

548
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: the power of the song lies in its abstraction, and

549
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: he would go on to say, depending on what time

550
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: of day it is, I still interpret the song in

551
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: a different way. And I wrote the lyrics. What do

552
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: you think it's about, Heidel? I think it's about them

553
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: being really really high. I mean, you have to take

554
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: all of these guys everything they say with a grain

555
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: of salt, because Pages his own greatest hagiographer. I mean,

556
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: he will only talk to you on his terms about

557
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: what he wants to talk about. So, like everything these

558
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: guys have said is practically you have to think about

559
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: it in terms of their own ego and the fact

560
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: that they were like drunken high for a very long time.

561
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: Very true, but they can still get the job done

562
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: no matter what substances were coursing through their their veins.

563
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: It took Robert Plant just two takes to nail his

564
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Speaker 1: vocal take. I think there was like a punch in

565
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: there where they fixed a line or two, but he

566
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: got it really quickly. There's also I didn't realize this

567
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: a long lost guitar outro It's a Stairway to Heaven.

568
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page had originally written a guitar part for the

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Speaker 1: very end, but he ultimately decided to leave it with

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Speaker 1: Robert Plant's voice a cappella. But somewhere, even just in

571
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: the recesses of Page's almost certainly terrifying subconscious, there is

572
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: a missing guitar part to Stairway to Heaven. I'd like

573
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: to hear that knowing Jimmy Page, it's going to be

574
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: remastered and released on a on a new reissue of

575
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Speaker 1: this song like as we speak, um, But let's move

576
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: to a different member of Let'szeppelin. My favorite member of

577
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Led Zeppelin, the band's m v P. John Paul Jones,

578
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: going back into the again the genesis of this song.

579
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: Early as April seventy, Page told Enemy that he had

580
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: an idea for a really long track on the next album,

581
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Speaker 1: something new with the organ and acoustic guitar building and

582
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: building to the electric thing. And that's where John Paul

583
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: Jones comes in. Because we mentioned Page comes in with

584
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of taped fragments dating back to their first

585
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: attempt at the song, which happened in Island Studios in

586
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Speaker 1: December of nineteen seventy. So they pick it up again

587
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: at Grange the following month, and John Paul Jones is there,

588
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: and you know, he plays a ton of stuff. He

589
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: plays mandolin, he plays keyboards, he's one of the best

590
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: bass players, and he also wrote a bunch of songs.

591
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: So he's there with Page and he's helping him arrange

592
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: the song. He's working on the piano and the bass

593
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: guitar and the bass recorder, which is presumably just a

594
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Speaker 1: longer and deeper version of the same plastic recorder we

595
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: all got in elementary school. Fix for me like a

596
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: big DIGERI do or something? Oh I love that was

597
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: my first ins from my first ever musical performance. I

598
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: played a French folk song called Claire de la Loon

599
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: at a school similarly in third grade, So I love there?

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00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Did you play the recorder? Briefly? I dabbled well. John

601
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: Paul Jones more than dabbles. Apparently he played not only

602
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: the bass recorder, but a soprano and a tenner recorder.

603
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: There are three different recorders just mentioned him, like John

604
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: Popper like he has like the band alter with different

605
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: different recorders like strapped to it, and he's just pulling

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00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: them out at different times. We're going to take a

607
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: quick break, but we'll be right back with more too

608
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: much information in just a moment. Someone a little less

609
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: known for his versatility in lied Zeppelin is John Bonham,

610
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: who is famously just more of a wrecking ball than

611
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: an embroidery needle when it comes to playing on these songs.

612
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: My favorite bit about John Bonham in the studio is

613
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: there's two. One is he couldn't get the mixed meter

614
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: section in Black Dog right because part of that song

615
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: is in five and instead of playing in five, he

616
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: just played in four of the whole time, and it

617
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: ends up working out because of the way that it overlaps.

618
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: But he was just like, no, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 1: And then the other one is the song four Sticks,

620
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: where he it's called that because he was so frustrated

621
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 1: with trying to get that song that he basically literally

622
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: grabbed two drumsticks in each hand and just started bashing

623
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: away at it. It's incredible, and in Stairway, apparently he

624
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: has trouble getting the rhythms that transition into the guitar

625
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: solo section that Donana Donana well. I mean, probably part

626
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: of the reason that he probably had a hard time

627
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: nailing that part was that he was just waiting for

628
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: something like four minutes the before he comes in, which

629
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: is a trick that Jimmy Page had used on a

630
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: couple of Zeppelin songs and stuff like ramble On. It's

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00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: a great effect. I mean, you're just you're listening for

632
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: so long that you think a song is gonna just

633
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: proceed in a certain sonic space, and then he comes

634
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: in like a freight train out of nowhere and just

635
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: completely kicks it new and it totally needs space. So

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Speaker 1: it's a cool approach. But I think on Stairway he's

637
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: just sitting there for something like four minutes, and there

638
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: are all sorts of memes about what John Bonham is

639
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: doing during the quiet part of Stairway. I think it's

640
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: even a BuzzFeed list if here's everything John bonhom is

641
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: doing during the quiet part of Stairway, grow and shave

642
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: off one full cycle of his mighty beard. It's one

643
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: of my favorites. Sit in on drums for another band

644
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: at a nearby venue after knocking their drummer out with

645
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: a single punch. Probably yeah, yeah, that's on the nose.

646
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: And I think my favorite is shift his molecular vibration

647
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: over to an alternate universe where the band's already up

648
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: to the drum part of Stairway, perform it there, and

649
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: then come back to his initial time period just in

650
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: time to play it there as well. John Bonham is

651
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: so fascinating because he's like one of the most influential,

652
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: if not the like just textbook rock and roll drummers.

653
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: And he was such an asshole. He was such a

654
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: tremendous asshole. He he saw clockwork orange and rather than

655
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: being horrified by the dystopian nature of it, thought those

656
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: guys were cool and started wearing a drug costume on stage.

657
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: Is that where the boy was? Sure? I didn't realize that.

658
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: And he he also thought it was like hilarious to

659
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: um when people were yeah, when people were, you know,

660
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: passing cocaine around. He would give someone a bump of

661
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: heroin and tell them it was cocaine and then like

662
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: laugh up royously about it. So great drummers, person, I

663
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: can't believe you not. Isn'to Keith Moon though, I mean

664
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: his pranks were or but it's it comes down to

665
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: the swing man. I mean, these guys were jazz dorks

666
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: like he and Billboard from Sabbath were both really into

667
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: like Jeane Krupa, and they just have that swing to

668
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: of the rhythm that I don't hear in the Who

669
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: and you don't hear in a lot of stuff. Keith

670
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: was a big group. I guess he was more of

671
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: a Buddy rich guy in terms of his flamboyant just

672
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: performance style that definitely tracks I've been in three Zeppelin

673
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: cover bands, and I will say yeah, yeah, and I

674
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: will say that we've had we had three different drummers

675
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: for it, and that kind of drunken swing is such

676
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: a tough thing to nail, and it's it really gave

677
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: me an appreciation for how good of a drummer he

678
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: actually is. What did you play in these bands? Were you?

679
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Were you? Jp J? Hell? Yeah, it was. Oh man,

680
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I want to see some of that. Anyway,

681
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: back to the rhythm of the song. Jimmy Page makes

682
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: a big deal about the fact that the tempo of

683
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Stairway speeds up gradually, which he said breaks the cardinal

684
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: rule of pop music. And he would know because he

685
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: spent most of the early sixties as the most in

686
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: demand session guitarist in existence. He's played on everybody's songs also,

687
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean everybody from the Who, the Kinks, Toula Clark.

688
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's played on a million different and pop

689
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: hits in the mid sixties. So it kind of instilled

690
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: in him this almost mathematical sense of like what makes

691
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: a good pop song, what will sound good on the radio?

692
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Like that's a lot of how he approaches this stuff.

693
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Was really ingrained from this journeyman period, and he found

694
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: that this approach of having this tempo speed up was

695
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: something that was really unique and cool, as approach is

696
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: really only found in classical music. Uh. He's a great

697
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: quote about it. The idea was to have a song

698
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: which would actually change as we went through it. Layers

699
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: would unfold with the instruments as they were coming in,

700
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: and the drums will be coming in later as the

701
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: song progressed, and there'll be this movement to the guitar

702
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: solo that took you through, and the momentum would unfold

703
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: as the pace accelerated. I knew something like that wasn't

704
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: necessarily the done thing in popular music. It was more

705
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: done in classical music. So that's an interesting part of

706
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: the song. He's wrong about that. There's all kinds of

707
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: songs that do that, Like I mean, there's Charlie Watts

708
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: is famous for speeding up rolling Stone songs as they go.

709
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: If you'd like tap out the start and finish of

710
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of Stone songs. It's a lot of variants,

711
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: but sometimes that's what the song means. Moving onto another

712
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: famous part, probably the most famous part of this song

713
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: is the guitar solo, Baby, And it's really funny because

714
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: you think of the iconic images of Jimmy Page the

715
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: Dragon Suit, which which if you have anything to add

716
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: to this episode, please tweeted us using the hashtag Jimmy

717
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: Page's Dragon Suit. Um, you think of the classic Jimmy

718
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: Page silhouette and it's Gibson's. It's that beautiful Les Paul.

719
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: It's the enormous double neck sg But he actually recorded

720
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: this solo on a fifty nine Fender Telecaster Baby with

721
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: quite the pedigree. Jordan's. Oh yeah, that was that was

722
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: his dragon Telly right that he painted himself psychedelic. Yeah,

723
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: it's definitely it's definitely a bold choice. But yeah, this

724
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: guitar was given to him by Jeff Beck, you know,

725
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: another fellow guitar god, because um Page got him a

726
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: spot in the Yardbirds and the sort of thank him

727
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: for his new gig in this band. Jimmy AHL's the story.

728
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: But he was just at his house and all of

729
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, this American sports car pulled up out front,

730
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: which in the mid sixties was kind of a rare

731
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: thing in England, and Jeff Beck got out and handed

732
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: him this vintage telecaster and then this belongs to you now,

733
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: and it's sweet. I mean, you have all those stories

734
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: about guitarists giving other guitarists therery prize instrument. It's always

735
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: like a real special thing between musicians. So he cherished

736
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: this guitar um. Where did paigees other less Paul come from?

737
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: His famous les Paul, the one that's like the real

738
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: beautiful I think it was. It was a fifty nine Yeah,

739
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: it was a fifty nine less Paul. He bought that

740
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: off of Joe Walsh later of the Eagles. Um. This

741
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: was probably I imagine Zeppelin was probably tore him through

742
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: the Midwest, and maybe the James Gang, which Joe Walsh's

743
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: early band, was probably open him for him or something.

744
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: Actually I'm not totally sure how they hooked up, but uh, yeah,

745
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: he bought that fifty nine less Paul off at Joe

746
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: Walsh and that became his main instrument in like seventies

747
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: seventy one, and he left his famous dragon Telly that

748
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: he played the Stair to Heaven solo at home and

749
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: he went out on tour and a friend of his,

750
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: apparently trying to be nice while he was away on tour,

751
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: went and took it in and got the paint removed

752
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: and scrubbed it down and got it all refinished. And

753
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page, he told the story to Guitar World. He

754
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: said he got back from tour and said, my friend said,

755
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: I've got a present for you. He thought he'd done

756
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: me a real favor. As you can guess, I wasn't

757
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: real happy about that. His paint job totally screwed up

758
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: the sound and the wiring, so only the neck pickup worked.

759
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: I salvaged the neck and put it on my brown

760
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: Telly string bender that I used in the firm is

761
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of not so great band after led Zeppelin. As

762
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: for the body, it will never be seen again, which

763
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: breaks my heart. It's such a historic guitar. I mean,

764
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: where's that We need Indiana Jones on a soundboard right now.

765
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: So coming down to the actual nitty gritty of the solo,

766
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Page told Classic Rock in June one that he took

767
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: quote a couple of cracks at the solo, but Andy

768
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Johns told Music Gradar that it was more like seven

769
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: or eight over the course of half an hour. They

770
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: got into a tiff because I guess they were like, oh,

771
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: that's not quite it, you know, like maybe give it

772
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: another crack, and things got really tense in the control room.

773
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: And then he says that Jimmy Page then went in

774
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: and ripped it out. But there's another there's another version

775
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: of this that he did two or three takes of

776
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: the solo and then picked the best one. So yeah,

777
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: Page and Andy John's really didn't seem to get along

778
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: very well. Uh. Andy Johns would described the solo sessions

779
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: in later years as he said, really tense and uh

780
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: he said to Jimmy's like, you're making me paranoid, and

781
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Paige snap back, You're making me paranoid. And in John's words,

782
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: it was just a circle of paranoia. Cocaine baby. True. Yeah,

783
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: Andy John's really is kind of seen as like the

784
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: fall guy for so many of these sessions. Like didn't

785
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: he screw up the mixing initially or had some role

786
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: in like messing up the early version of the mix

787
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: For led Zeppel four, they took a crack at mixing

788
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: it at Sunset Studios in l A. But A universally

789
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: hated the results, apparently including John's, and the only thing

790
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: they kept on there is when the levee breaks from

791
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: that session and then they subsequently remixed everything else over

792
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: the summer at Island in London. Not not to speak

793
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: ill of the dead, because Andy Johns died a few

794
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: years back, but he sort of portrayed as this like

795
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: Benny Hill type figure, like sex fiend and the led

796
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: Zeppelin fourth story. Uh. In interviews he's always talking about

797
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: like having sex with the cook at Headley Grange, and

798
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: he said he was excited to get to California to

799
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: mix the album because he had two girlfriends there and

800
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: presumably in his haste to get to them, he left

801
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: two of the tapes of the led Zeppelin's work in

802
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: progress on the plane, and so he's as he's like

803
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: desperately like running through the airport trying to get back

804
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: onto the plane before it takes off and goes back

805
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: to England, an earthquake hits l A and like the

806
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: airport starts shaking, just bad almans all around. That's one

807
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: of the reason that kicked Little George out of Little

808
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: Feet is that they were working on a record and

809
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: he was so messed up he left a bunch of

810
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: master tapes on a train. Oh god, I mean yeah,

811
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. So he really becomes the fall guy

812
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: for this mixing incident in particular, and Jimmy Page once

813
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: seethed basically Andy John should be hung, drawn and corded

814
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: for the fiascos he played. Um yeah, that's pretty brutal.

815
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: And after this he did not work with the band again,

816
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: but it did not hurt his career much because he

817
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: worked on the Stones as excel on Main Street Television's

818
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: Marquis Moon And I didn't realize this van Halen's for

819
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: Unlawful Carful. That's a hard album title to say. Van

820
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Halen's for Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. There we go, which that

821
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: record for me gets a review. Um yeah, I love

822
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: this idea of Andy John's mixing because Exilent main Street

823
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: was also done in like a big country manner situation,

824
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: So I love this idea of Andy John's just like

825
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: chasing women through the halls of these mansions with the Haunted,

826
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: just like at like one and a half speed with

827
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Yah the Sacks playing in the background. Anyway, once they

828
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: get done with mixing, they turn it into Atlantic, and

829
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Atlantic is saying you people are insane. Truly cut this

830
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: song down, which is I guess they would have had

831
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: a precedence for this because Baston confused ten minutes long.

832
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: But I guess at this point the band is more

833
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: of a known quantity and so the record label has

834
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: more of a vested interest in dealing with the singles,

835
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: and they say you want to cut it down, and um,

836
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: everyone in the band refused, and so did their manager.

837
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Peter Grant, who is another famous figure in this band's history.

838
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: Is he the ex wrestler. He's like the strong arm guy.

839
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: He's like sort of the Sugar Knight of the classic

840
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: rock world, I remembering correctly, Like, yeah, no, that's fair. Yeah.

841
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Peter Grant worked variously as a stage hand, bouncer and

842
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: wrestler before getting into management. All of which to say,

843
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: if that man comes into your office and says no,

844
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: he is not changing on that. But it didn't hurt

845
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: the album anyway, because once four comes out, it stays

846
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: on the charts for ninety weeks in the US, which

847
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: is almost two years straight. I mean, you could argue

848
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: that it's sold like that because Starway to Heaven wasn't

849
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: released as a single. I think a lot of the

850
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: thinking behind it was if we don't put this out

851
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: as a single, people will be forced to buy the album,

852
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: and the album will sell like a single, and in

853
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: those days, singles sold a ridiculous amount. It's also arguably

854
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: like a perfect record. There's no filler on that record. Yeah,

855
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: oh totally. Yeah. It's sold almost thirty million copies worldwide,

856
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: making it the twelfth best selling record globally, below what

857
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: below the Grease soundtrack, but above Michael Jackson's Bad. So

858
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: that's not bad. That's quite a sandwich. The only place

859
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: that Starway to Heaven was ever released as a single,

860
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: and I really don't understand why this was was in

861
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: the Philippines. I guess that's the only place in the world,

862
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: but go figure. But in the in the UK and

863
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: the US. The closest it ever came to becoming a

864
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, a quote hit charts song was in two

865
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: thousand seven, when it first became possible to download Lead

866
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: Zeppelin songs. Stairway belatedly hit I think number thirty in

867
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: the Billboard Hot Digital Charts. So it eventually did chart

868
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: some what thirty five years later something like that. Nice

869
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: for them, yeah, I'm sure, yeah, a nice little moment.

870
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure they they needed another plaque in their baronial mansion. Um,

871
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: I just I love when bands won't go along with

872
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: even the most basic promotional efforts. It just cracks me up. Like,

873
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about the title of led Zeppelin,

874
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: for technically the album is untitled because Jimmy Page was

875
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: still pissed about all the negative press coverage for their

876
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: last album and just the ongoing accusations that led Zeppin

877
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: were just hype, so he told Atlantic that there would

878
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: be no title for the album, no band name would

879
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: be printed on the album, and no band photo would

880
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: be on the cover. And this was so outrageous that

881
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: Atlantic Records first thought that this was a practical joke.

882
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: And then Page came ambling into their office with manager

883
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: slash ex wrestler or Peter Grant, and he came to

884
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: talk to them in person, and the management realized that

885
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: Page was dead serious. He apparently hissed, listen, this record

886
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: would shift units if he put it in a brown

887
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: paper bag, and considering the fact that the band had

888
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: been responsible for twenty percent of Atlantic sales that year,

889
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: they got their way. But this is basically their way

890
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: of protesting the hype, Like, Okay, you know, when we're

891
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: just hype, we won't even have our picture on it,

892
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: one of our name on it. We won't even title

893
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: the album or nothing. Just take it or leave it,

894
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: project your own, whatever you want onto this, like, just

895
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: call us anything, but we're not high. Jimmy Page is

896
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating people because he's got this

897
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: tremendous rock band that he and that's not a dis

898
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: He's one of the most dick forward bands and this

899
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: what makes them so good. But he's also one of

900
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: the most fragile, not accommodating people. This Chuck Classroom and

901
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: interview who, as we mentioned, is a huge Zeppelin fan.

902
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: This in g Q. You know this, I didn't know.

903
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: It's good. It's it's Jimmy Page and the Grouses of

904
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: the Holy because this interview what happened over the course

905
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: of two days, and it's just there's so many questions

906
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: in here where Jimmy Page is like, I'm not going

907
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: to answer that. I'm not going to talk about that,

908
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: and he says like the only time he comes alive

909
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: is when he starts asking about like the minutia of

910
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: the recording or the music. So but I guess he's

911
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: always been like that. So oh yeah, okay, So and

912
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: despite a song that was initially pitched as like the

913
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: new finale of their live show, it had a really

914
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: inauspicious debut. Happened live in Belfast in Belfast in March nine,

915
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: eight months before it was released, and John Paul Jones

916
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: remembers it as he just says, they were all bored

917
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: to tears waiting to hear something they knew, but fair

918
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: it's an eight minute song that you don't know it's

919
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: true and some context to Belfast at the time. Yeah,

920
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: it was also inauspicious because this was right in the

921
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: middle of the troubles or the war in Northern Ireland

922
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: between the native Irish Catholics and British rule. I mean

923
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Belfast was a war zone. There was rioting just down

924
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: the street from the show, and the streets were literally

925
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: glowing red from a gas tanker that someone had hijacked

926
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: and blew up just down the road from the show.

927
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean, not to mention, I'm sure there were like

928
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: Molotov cocktail fires in every garbage can on the street,

929
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of the bands at this time we're

930
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: really wary of playing in Northern Ireland. I think someone

931
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: was actually killed the same day that they premiered Stairway

932
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: to Heaven in Belfast. So I mean, maybe they weren't

933
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: bored to tears. Maybe they were just terrified. It's also

934
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: probably true Stephen Davis says in Hammer the Gods that

935
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: the song didn't really pick up until nine after they've

936
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: been like road testing it for two years, and then

937
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: it quickly becomes a staple of the live show. It

938
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: almost never leaves their set, and trust me, you can

939
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: find every led Zeppelin set ever played on UM and

940
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: it becomes their closer by and according to band legends,

941
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: which is unusually dense and unshakable when it comes to

942
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: led Zeppelin, the longest version of Stairway that they ever

943
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: played happened to be the last time that the original

944
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: foursome ever played together, which you know, I haven't actually

945
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: checked the running times on every live Zeppelin bootleg in existence,

946
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: but this was Supposedly this was at a gig in

947
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: Berlin on July seven, and they stretched Stairway to fifteen

948
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: minutes and John Bonham died a few months later on

949
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: September of asphyxiation due to vomit from excessive alcohol consumption.

950
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: On this day, Bonzo famously had four quadruple vodka screw

951
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: drivers with breakfast, so the equivalent of sixteen shots. And

952
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: he continued to drink heavily throughout the day and in

953
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: quest determined that he had the equivalent of forty shots

954
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: over the course of twenty four hours, which is really yeah.

955
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone had reported that he'd recently overcome a heroin addiction,

956
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you often find that people struggling with addictions

957
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: switch out one substance for another other, so there was

958
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: increased alcohol intake. But yeah. He died on September twenty five,

959
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: nine eighty and there were rumors that led Zeppelin would

960
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: carry on kind of as the Who had when Keith

961
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: Moon died in nineteen seventy eight, but within a few

962
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: months the surviving members issued a statement that they were

963
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: breaking up. They said, we wish it to be known

964
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: that the loss of our dear friend and the deep

965
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: respect we have for his family, together with a sense

966
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: of undivided harmony felt by ourselves and our manager, had

967
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: led us to decide that we could not continue as

968
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: we were. Bottom had been in rough shape, like just

969
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: days before what would be the band's final show in Berlin,

970
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: he collapsed three songs into a gig at Nuremberg and

971
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: had to be rushed to the hospital and the band,

972
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: in one of the great moments of pr Spin claimed

973
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: that John Bonham had merely over eaten before a gig

974
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: and beconds, why that's the second Lowell George connection I

975
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: can make, because Lowell George supposedly died after like eating

976
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: an entire pizza to him self on his tour bus. Yes,

977
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: and wasn't his last album called like Thanks, I'll eat

978
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: it here? Yeah, I've heard that too. Actually, you know

979
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: what's really funny. I'm just thinking this now, But Led

980
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: Zeppelin loved Little Feet, like there's Yeah, there's an interview

981
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: with Robert Plant where he's like slagging off American bands.

982
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't think maybe very many American bands

983
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: are doing things that are interesting, except for any Goslin.

984
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: I think the Little Feet, But yeah, and I think

985
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page has also talked about loving Lowell George's slide

986
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: playing that scars. I can see that. But getting into

987
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: happier topics. This is Zeppelin biographer named Charles R. Cross

988
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: who posits that the success of Stairway has to do

989
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: with its run time. There's obviously no way to quantify

990
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: this unless you talk to hundreds of DJs from the seventies.

991
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: But Cross claims that hundreds of DJs accidentally made Stairway

992
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: a hit because it's run time happens to be the

993
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 1: perfect amount of time to smoke a cigarette. He says,

994
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: if it had been a minute shorter, you couldn't have

995
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 1: smoked a full cigarette. If it had been a minute longer,

996
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: it would have been too long. But like, as a

997
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: former smoker, I'm not sure if I buy that, because

998
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: these cigarettes that last differently, like pall malls and American

999
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: spirits over the long lasting cigarettes. So maybe that's when

1000
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: you do the live version. I thought it was just

1001
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: like bathroom breaks too that and like hey Jude, just

1002
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: to Bohemian Rhapsody and yeah, hit the John. So DJs

1003
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: were a big fan of Stairway to he you know

1004
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: what else? Who was a big fan? Who else? First

1005
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: Son or first Kids? Steve Ford Gerald Ford's son. Gerald

1006
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: Ford took over the presidency in the summer of seventy

1007
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: four after Nixon resigned, and eighteen year old Steve Ford,

1008
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: Gerald's son took advantage of the family's new digs by

1009
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: going up to the roof of the White House with

1010
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: a friend looked to stereo up there. I really hope

1011
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: it was at eight tra It must have been eight track,

1012
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: and just blasted music, including Stairway to Heaven, so loud

1013
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: that it could be heard across the street. It's just

1014
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: your dad's just become president. What do you do? You

1015
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: lug your eight track player, maybe a real real tape

1016
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: machine that's kind of even funnier, up to the roof

1017
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: of the White House and just blast led Zeppelin for

1018
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: like that. It's kind of a famous moment. It was

1019
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: referenced in the House of Cards post nine eleven. That

1020
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: whole roof area I think was turned out like a

1021
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: sniper's nest for security purposes. So you can't go up

1022
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: there now and play uh, you know, l M F

1023
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: A O or whatever it is that the kids are

1024
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: listening to. This dance is woefully out of tea. Yeah,

1025
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: you can't get up there and blast Ottier or or

1026
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: fun she keep going. Your pop music references are like

1027
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: seven years out of date. Purpose Oh okay, sorry, I

1028
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: never know. I really the high water moment for American democracy.

1029
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: It's all been downhill since then. Yeah. Steve Ford later

1030
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: said I feel sorry for Obama and the bush Girls.

1031
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: They never got a chance to track their stereos up

1032
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: to the roof to play the rapture or block party.

1033
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: How many other like era blog rock bands can we

1034
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: tram into this animal collective? Yeah, exactly, as you meditate

1035
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: on that. We'll be right back with more too much

1036
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: information after these messages. But there is one noted enemy

1037
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: of this song, Jordan, and who is that? Lester Bangs

1038
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: not a fan. I feel like you need to bring

1039
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: all your spite and bile into this section. You please

1040
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: read this. Lester Bangs is a divisive figure. He's arguably,

1041
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: i mean, inarguably one of the most famous rock critics.

1042
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: Is such a huge influence on people, but he has

1043
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: said some hateful things. He described Stairway to Heaven as

1044
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: a thicket of misbegotten mush, which is so good. Yeah,

1045
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean the dude wrote he wrote for sure he

1046
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: was on speed for his entire life and coughs are

1047
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: yeah anyway, Rolling Stone, though, we're apparently who also famously

1048
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: were like not Zeppelin fans, they were pretty kind to

1049
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: the record as a whole, and much like Pitchfork, speaking

1050
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: of odds era blog rock, much like Pitchfork, Rolling Stone

1051
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: is famous for reversing course on on records that they

1052
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: panned back in the day. Um but Lenny Kay, uh

1053
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: you know. Patti Smith group guitarist Lenny Kay called led

1054
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: Zeppelin for the band's most consistently good album yet and

1055
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: praising the diversity of the song. Out of eight cuts,

1056
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 1: there isn't one that steps on another's toes, that tries

1057
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: to do too much all at once. I would agree

1058
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: it's a great review. Good job, Lenny Kay, You've got

1059
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: a future in this industry. Less good review came from

1060
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: the British music magazine Sounds that said that Stairway induced quote,

1061
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: first boredom and then catatonia ouch, and so of course

1062
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: we land back in court, as every Led Zeppelin saga does.

1063
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: Stairway is famous for being one of the most examples

1064
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: of the backmasking controversy of the nineteen eighties, in which

1065
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: various Christian talking heads positive that bands had hidden satanic

1066
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: messaging in their records that would reveal themselves when the

1067
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: songs were played backwards. And this is its own thorny thing.

1068
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: But the reader's digest version is that a Michigan minister

1069
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: named Mike Mills say that five Times Fast was the

1070
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: first to pin the tag on Zeppelin on his radio

1071
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: show in one. But the movement really picks up steam

1072
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: in January two on television, when a televangelist named Paul

1073
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: Crouch claims on his show on the Trinity Broadcasting Network

1074
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: that playing the bustle in your hedgerow portion of stairway

1075
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: backwards reveals the hidden message wait for it, Here's to

1076
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: my sweet Satan, the one whose little path would make

1077
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: me sad, whose power is satan, he will give those

1078
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: with him six six six. There was a little tool

1079
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: shed where he made us suffer sad Satan, which sure,

1080
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 1: I mean, go on, here's the sweet Satan. Aside, none

1081
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: of that makes any sense, makes no damn sense. Uh,

1082
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: Here's to My Sweet Satan is kind of a cool record. Now, though,

1083
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: the whole thing gained steam to the point where later

1084
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: that year lawmakers were actually introducing legislation to combat this trend.

1085
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: But there was legislation against backmasking. There was, yeah in California,

1086
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: but they attempted. I don't think it was actually passed,

1087
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: but he made it to the floor. And this is

1088
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: mostly based on the strength of one dude who is

1089
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: a self proclaimed neuroscientist who as far as I can tell,

1090
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: is not an actual scientists. You can't proclaim yourself. And

1091
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: he was an army medic, and he was intensely religious,

1092
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: and I think he participated in some scientific work while

1093
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: he was at university. But he does not have a doctorate.

1094
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: His name is William H. Yarroll the second or the third.

1095
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: Why would you call yourself the second when you could

1096
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: just be junior? No, William H. Yarroll the second. God,

1097
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: what a tool anyway, if you're quibbling about a new

1098
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: for you claim yourself on neuroscientists. But in the thirty

1099
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: three and the third jury for for, Eric Davis claims

1100
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: that some of these Christian TV shows actually featured the

1101
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: top down view of the host turntables so that viewers

1102
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: could actually watch them manipulate the records to spin backwards.

1103
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: Which is this Like, it's sort of funny because then

1104
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: how you think of like during the E. D M boom,

1105
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: you'd see all those like top down shots of like

1106
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: scrillics or whatever, pressing play on his laptop. So fun

1107
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: little analog there. But this is interesting because, as we've

1108
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: mentioned obliquely throughout this Jimmy Page was super into Alistair Crowley.

1109
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: And there's who's alis or Crowley for those who might

1110
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: not have read The Anarchrists Handbook in high school like us.

1111
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: Alister crow is a famous occultist. He had a bunch

1112
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: of pseudo mysticism writings. He had a secret society called

1113
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: the Golden Order of the Hermetic Dawn, and Pages super

1114
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: into him. He bought his old house um and like

1115
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: lock Nests or something. Yeah, yeah, almost certainly haunted as well.

1116
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: But in an early issue of a publication he had

1117
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: called The Equinox, Crowley wrote that a novice musician should

1118
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: train himself to think backwards by external means, and this

1119
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: is hilarious. He pitches the methods how you can try

1120
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: and do this by learning to walk backwards, which is

1121
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: dumb speak backwards, which is also dumb and dun dune

1122
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: done listening to records reversed. I love the idea though,

1123
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Page in this giant mansion strung out on

1124
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: Heroin wearing the dragon suit, walking backwards through the hallways

1125
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: because Alistair Crowley told him to. And you know, led

1126
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: Zeppelin's record label had the mic drop on this whole

1127
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: issue where they just said our turntables only play in

1128
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: one direction forwards. God well, speaking of moving forward, after

1129
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: John Bonham died, the now ex bandmates moved on to

1130
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: other projects which are pretty much best left unmentioned. You

1131
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: don't have a thing for Coverdale, Page Baby, Honey Drippers,

1132
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah no, or the Firm. We're not gonna We're not

1133
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna get a of that. So they kind of got

1134
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,959
Speaker 1: their separate ways. In five when Bob Geldof is putting

1135
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: together Live Aid to raise money to combat the Ethiopian famine,

1136
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: and the surviving members of Led Zeppelin agreed to get

1137
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: together to play three songs on the Philadelphia stage at

1138
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: this event, Rock and Roll, a whole Lot of Love,

1139
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: and they're going to close out of course, with Stairway

1140
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: to Heaven and the Sulfur good cause it seems like

1141
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: a good idea. Right wrong, very very very wrong. To

1142
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: fill John Bonham's woefully unfillable drum saddle, they tapped two

1143
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: men because as we all know, John Bonham had the

1144
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: strength of two men for Stickman number one. They got

1145
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: sheep drummer Tony Thompson, who was playing with power Station

1146
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: at the time. I love that, actually, right it's incredible,

1147
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: it would be agreed. They were thinking about touring, and

1148
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: I honestly I think that this infamously bad gig kind

1149
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: of torpedoed that whole idea of him going out on tour. Uh. Well,

1150
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: the problem was he had an overbook schedule and he

1151
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: only got to rehearse I think for something like two

1152
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: hours with the band before showtime. So Tony Thompson was

1153
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: drummer number one. They were also going to have drummer

1154
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: number two, Phil Collins. Now I love this so much,

1155
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: so Phil Collins, this is Live Aid. His big gimmick

1156
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: during Live AID was that he performed his own set

1157
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: at Wembley. There are two stages of Live AID, one

1158
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: at Wembley and England and one in Philadelphia. And his

1159
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: big thing was that he was gonna play one set

1160
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: at Wembley in England, hop on a supersonic Concord Jet,

1161
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: and perform a second time that same day in Philadelphia

1162
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: with Led Zeppelin. And this sounds cool, I mean sort

1163
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: of cool cool and theory theoretically cool, uh, but it

1164
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: meant that he got absolutely no time to prepare with

1165
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: led Zeppelin at all, and he later admitted that his

1166
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: prep consisted of listening to Stairway to Heaven on like

1167
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: a walkman on the flight over Wolf. Now Phil Collins

1168
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: at the I mean, what years this you said? Eighty five? Okay,

1169
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: so Phil collins best years are behind him, some of

1170
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: those early live Genesis records, Like I believe Phil Collins

1171
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: could have done that in his prime. Oh well, I

1172
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: mean the problem was that there was sort of a

1173
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: gross misreading of this situation, I would have to say.

1174
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: On Phil Collins's part. He letters it in interview with

1175
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: Q Magazine. I thought it was just gonna be low key,

1176
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: we'd all get together and have a play. But but

1177
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: something happened between that conversation in the day, and it

1178
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: became a led Zeppelin reunion. I turned up and was

1179
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: a square peg in a round hole. Robert Plant was

1180
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: happy to see me, but Jimmy wasn't. I could sense

1181
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't welcome. Uh. He apparently arrived at the venue

1182
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and he was greeted by Robert Plant, who said,

1183
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: and this is a quote, Jimmy Page's bludrin. So he's

1184
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: led around to talk with Jimmy, and Jimmy starts quizzing

1185
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: Phil about how stairway went and Phil's just kind of

1186
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: a drumming how it goes, and it just like, I

1187
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he picked up like a pencil or something,

1188
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: and Pages just ache in his head like no, that's

1189
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: not how it goes. And he's he's terror, He's like,

1190
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: we're we're doing this is also this is also British.

1191
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: I just thought we'd have a play. We'd have a play. Jimmy,

1192
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: he's Jimmy is quite lagerent with you. Come on. I mean,

1193
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: as Jimmy would later say, their set was and these

1194
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: are his words, just appalling. I think Plant would call

1195
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: it an atrocity. They go out on stage and there's

1196
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: two minutes of dead air before they start to play

1197
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: because the roadies are running around trying to set up

1198
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: their monitors. And then Phil and Tony Thompson, the other drummer,

1199
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: we're playing, and they were just hopelessly out of sync

1200
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: with each other. Robert Plant was horse from playing a

1201
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: bunch of gigs recently. Jimmy Page's guitar was just going

1202
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: more and more out of tune by every metric. This

1203
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: reunion was just a massive, I mean to be quite

1204
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: a disappointment to be Frank a disaster, and Paige has

1205
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: gone out of his way to blame Phil Collins for

1206
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: this every occasion over the years, like as recently one

1207
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: he did an interview with The Times and he was

1208
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: still slamming Phil. He said the drummer he had mentioned

1209
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: his name. I can't tell if that's him trying to

1210
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: be diplomatic or him being even more demeaning. The drummer

1211
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get the beginning of rock and roll, so we

1212
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: were in real trouble with that classic British understatement, right.

1213
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: And Phil has pointed the finger at the other drummer

1214
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: of Tony Thompson, saying Tony was not making life easy

1215
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: and if I could have walked off, I would have done.

1216
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: Robert was not match fit with his voice, and Jimmy

1217
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: was out of it dribble. Ouch. It wasn't my fault,

1218
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: it was crap. Wow. Tony died I think twenty years ago,

1219
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: so he's sadly not heared a weigh in on this.

1220
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: But Phil has spoken about it so many times over

1221
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: the years, and I think my favorite is in he

1222
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: used this great British expression. I felt like a spare

1223
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: part on stage. Ouch. But thankfully there were at least

1224
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: some people who enjoyed the reunion, apparently Duran Duran or

1225
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: what the show in the wings and they were so

1226
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: moved by the sight of three fourths of led Zeppelin

1227
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: playing Stairway that they actually started to cry. And yeah,

1228
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: I know, but Rubert Plant had a great, typically pissy

1229
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: quote about that. He said, the whole idea of playing

1230
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: Stairway to Heaven with two drummers while Duran Duran cried

1231
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 1: on the side of the stage, there was something really

1232
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: quite surreal about that. That's an understatement. You know. We'd

1233
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: also be remissing our duties if we didn't talk about

1234
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: the Wayne's World bit. There's a part in that movie

1235
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: where in a guitar shop Wayne goes to play Stairway

1236
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: to Heaven. He is stopped for playing it. But you

1237
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: have a deep dive into this, please, Yeah, there's a

1238
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: weird thing about that bit. In the versions of Wayne's

1239
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: World that I've seen and probably you too, most people,

1240
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: Wayne plays like three random notes that sound absolutely nothing

1241
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: like Stairway, And in the original theater cut he plays

1242
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: the actual first notes of the opening and it was

1243
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: something like only three or four notes. But let Zeppelin's

1244
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: very very very vigilant legal team told him that that

1245
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: was still too many notes and they could only use

1246
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: two notes from the original song before they owed them

1247
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: a hundred Crand so for the home video release they

1248
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: had to go back in the director did and edit

1249
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: more of the notes out. So that's why when you

1250
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: listen to it now, it's just like, why is he

1251
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: being stopped for playing a song that sounds nothing like?

1252
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: This is hardly the only time Zeppelin and Hollywood clashed. Yeah,

1253
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: let Zeppelin also played hardball with another filmmaker, Cameron Crowe,

1254
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: which is pretty mean spirited considering they go back decades

1255
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: when Cameron Crowe was and Cameron Crowe is just like

1256
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: the sweetest boy in all of classic wrong He profiled

1257
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: them when he was like a teenager working for Rolling Stones,

1258
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: So they go way back. And Crowe had written Almost Famous,

1259
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: which is his semi autobiographical take on You Know himself

1260
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: in the seventies as a young up and coming writer,

1261
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: and he wrote this real pivotal scene in Almost Famous,

1262
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: when the main character, who's a inly disguised version of himself,

1263
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: is trying to convince his overprotective mother to let him

1264
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: go on tour with a band and cover it for

1265
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone. So he gets his teacher to come over

1266
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: and to try to persuade his mother that rock and

1267
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: roll was literature. He plays all eight minutes of Stairway,

1268
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: and there's apparently an eight minute scene of this, but

1269
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: the band wouldn't let him use the song, and Cameron

1270
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: Crowe's supposedly so heartbroken that he said he wouldn't have

1271
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: bothered to make the movie at all if he'd known

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01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: that this scene would have been in the first Sweet

1273
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: Boy I Know. And then God, does I feel like

1274
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: every one of a certain generation that movie has been

1275
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: responsible for, like trying to make people pursue careers in

1276
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: music journalism. So think of how many dreams would have

1277
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: been dashed music period. Yeah, totally. Well, So we mentioned

1278
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: earlier that Zeppelin were fans of Little Feet, But who

1279
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: did Jimmy Page site as one of his favorite peers

1280
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: to Cameron crow Right? Yeah. During Cameron Crowe's profile of them,

1281
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page said that there was one artist who might

1282
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,959
Speaker 1: be Kpele of achieving the artistic excellence of Stairway to Heaven,

1283
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: and that one artist, Mungo Jerry is Joni Mitchell okay,

1284
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: one of two artists, Mungo Jerry and Joey Mitchell. He

1285
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: specifically mentioned Joni Mitchell's song Both Sides Now, which is

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: a solid choice, But I don't expect the choice coming

1287
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: from I love that one thing that I got. I mean,

1288
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: I've been slagging Jimmy Page off a lot here, justifiably,

1289
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: I think, but he is such a fan of music.

1290
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's never not like talking about a guy

1291
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: who just doesn't give a about anything out well, money,

1292
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: he cares about money, but here one of the things

1293
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: money occultism and music, dragons and music. Man, he just

1294
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: he loves. He talks about like the stuff that he loves.

1295
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: He talks about the stuff he grew up with. It's

1296
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: probably his biggest redeeming quality. And the guitar to me, anyway,

1297
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: I love that scene and it might get loud when

1298
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: he plays Rumble. Yeah, he just puts an old copy

1299
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: of Rumbles turntable and just talks about the light and

1300
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: the shadow, and so it's really endearing. Well, so we've

1301
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: talked a lot about what the architects of this song

1302
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: have said, but let's talk about what they've done to

1303
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: this song. Yes, by the early nineties. Wayne's World really

1304
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: crystallizes this idea that Stairway to Heaven represents the pannicle

1305
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: of overplayed classic rock. And there was a radio station

1306
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: in Albuquerque, k l s K that really took this

1307
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: notion that Stairway to heavens overplayed to a whole new level.

1308
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: The station had been a self described New Age station,

1309
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: but they were switching to the classic rock format, which

1310
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: in the early nineties was really kind of a new idea.

1311
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: Uh So, to announce this radical shift, the station manager

1312
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: decided to pull the stunt where they would play Stairway

1313
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: to Heaven on repeat for twenty four solid hours or

1314
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: something like a hundred and eighty times. And this was yep,

1315
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: this was January twenty three. Now this had mixed results

1316
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: because they got hundreds of angry calls and the police

1317
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: were dispatched to the station not once but twice. First

1318
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: they showed up because they were worried that the DJ

1319
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: had had a heart attack and just you know, his

1320
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: finger on the play button of Stairway or something. Um,

1321
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: he was fine. And then the second time, another set

1322
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: of police arrived with their guns drawn because they thought

1323
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: that the DJ had been taken hostage um, which which

1324
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: sounds insane, but this was just a few days after

1325
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: the start of the Gulf War, and there was concerned

1326
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: that there might be some kind of terrorist activity in

1327
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: just the plot of airheads, so the police were dispatched twice,

1328
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: a lot of agar calls, but weirdly a lot of

1329
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: people actually listened in purely to see when it would

1330
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: finally stop. Is that Sisaphian or ka ask both? So

1331
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: this actually ended up having a good outcome for this

1332
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 1: radio station. They ended up becoming I think the second

1333
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: highest rated station in the market, just purely because of

1334
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: the stunt. And this whole stuff is ittten up in

1335
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: the local newspaper the next day under the headline guess

1336
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: what the headline is to tell the song remains the

1337
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: same low hanging first but it's so good though, so

1338
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: they should have called it when the levee breaks also good.

1339
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: It works on multiple levels. But there was another radio

1340
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: stunt that Robert Plant himself got involved with, right yes,

1341
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: So this is another famous part of Zeppelin lore, and

1342
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: I've seen and read a bunch of different versions of this,

1343
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: but the gist of the story is that Robert Plant

1344
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: is driving through Oregon he's just played in Portland and

1345
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: he's listening to the listeners supported by listeners like you

1346
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: uh listeners supported station k b OO or CABU. When

1347
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: the DJ promises during the course of a pledge drive

1348
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: to never play Stairway to Heaven again if people call

1349
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: him with donations and again. The telling seems to fluctuate

1350
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 1: in this, but Robert Plant pulls over, calls the station

1351
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: and pledges an amount of either one thousand or ten

1352
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, depending on who's telling this story. My favorite

1353
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: bit of this is that other versions of this story

1354
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: suggest that he used the Atlantic Records credit card for

1355
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: this over the phone, or put the donation in the

1356
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: name of Atlantic Records founder ahmet erta Gun, and Plant

1357
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: has also claimed that ahmet erta Gun then started getting

1358
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: mail from the station as one of its donors. And

1359
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: the best part about this is that it is true.

1360
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: KBOO has confirmed this story on Twitter. They didn't mention

1361
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: the amount, so we don't have a hard ruling on that,

1362
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: but they confirmed that Robert Plant actually pulled over to

1363
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 1: the side of the road and pledged money to a

1364
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: listener supported station to get them to stop playing Stairway

1365
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: and then this is a perfect segue into like a

1366
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: summation of things that Robert Plant has said about Stirred

1367
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: to Heaven, but on this specific story, he says at

1368
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: the end of a two thousand seven interview, he says,

1369
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: it's not that I don't like it, it's just that

1370
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: I've heard it before. But he absolutely so British, so

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: British classic understate. I just want to offer a greatest

1372
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: hits reel of all the times that Robert Plant has

1373
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: publicly dissed his most famous creation. Please. He's never really

1374
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: understood the fuss around Stairway, which he's famously referred to

1375
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: as that wedding song. In an interview with Rolling Stone,

1376
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: he said, really, I have no idea why Stairway is

1377
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: so popular, no idea at all. He sees Cashmir as

1378
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of the band's achievements, and I actually kind

1379
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: of inclined to agree with that hot take. He also

1380
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: intended to agree with many of the shots that contemporary

1381
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: critics took at the song, telling Q Magazine, if you

1382
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: absolutely hated Stairway to Heaven, no one can blame you

1383
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: for that because it was so pompous. Since the death

1384
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: of John Bonham in nineteen eighty. I think you can

1385
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: count the number of times that he sung stair would

1386
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: have and on one hand, you've got live aid. And

1387
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: then he performed the song under great dress at a

1388
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: tribute concert for the fort anniversary of Atlantic Records in

1389
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: but he told the press after this concert, I break

1390
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: out into hives if I had to sing Stairway to

1391
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: Heaven at every show. I wrote the lyrics and found

1392
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: the song to be of some importance and consequence in

1393
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: v but seventeen years later, I don't know. It's just

1394
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: not for me. I sang it at the Atlantic Record

1395
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: show because I'm an old softie and it was my

1396
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: way of saying thank you to Atlantic because I've been

1397
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: with them for twenty years. But no more Stairway to

1398
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: Heaven for me, and he pretty much meant it. They

1399
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: skipped it during the MTV Unplugged Show, but then they

1400
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: did it, And this is something I'll never know stan

1401
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: MTV Unplugged Show. They did not invite John Paul Jones too,

1402
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: which remains a burning point of contention for me personally.

1403
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: Why didn't they do that? It was it because they

1404
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: were doing the Page Plant duo tour thing almost certainly

1405
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: in actuality, but I they have said something about it.

1406
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it was they just did want it

1407
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: to be a led Zeppelin reunion. I mean yeah, Well,

1408
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: according to forums dot led Zeppelin dot com, which is

1409
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: again total grain assault, but some of these are surprisingly accurate.

1410
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: It one of the main reasons for doing so, he said,

1411
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: was that people wouldn't think it was a Zeppelin reunion,

1412
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: and it probably also would have taken money out of

1413
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: his cut. But this is fascinating. While they were reuniting

1414
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: to do this, John Paul Jones is working with Diamanda

1415
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: Gallet Gala. I don't know how to pronounce her name.

1416
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: She's this truly, truly breathtaking avant garde vocalist. Everyone just

1417
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: google her version of I Put a Spell on You.

1418
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: It is terrifying. She is an incredible figure in avant

1419
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: garde music, and so it's just very funny to me

1420
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: that while they're recording for like the Greatest Hits set

1421
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 1: for MTV, John Paul Jones is working with one of

1422
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: the most batch, wild, incredible singers ever. I love that.

1423
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: Good for John Paul Jones. So yeah, he sung at

1424
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: Live eight, He sung at This Atlantic for the anniversary

1425
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: show skips it for m t V and plug but

1426
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: for reasons that I will never understand. Plant and Pay

1427
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: performed an abbreviated acoustic version of Stairway to Heaven on

1428
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: a Japanese talk show in when they were promoting their

1429
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: Page and Plant project. According to legend, Plant lost a

1430
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: beat with Page and that's the only reason that he

1431
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: ever sang it on that It's gotta be a bummer

1432
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: for Page because he said that the only person who

1433
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: can sing that song with him is Plant, so he

1434
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: really only gets to play it as an instrumental these days,

1435
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: which must be sad for him. Uh. The last time

1436
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: that Robert Plant sang it publicly was at the Ahmed

1437
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: Urign tribute concert in two thousand seven, which became released

1438
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: as the Was a Celebration Day Live album and DVD.

1439
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: It's the Big Last show where they got Jason Bonham,

1440
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: John's son to fill in on drums and and I'm sorry.

1441
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that v H one show Rock Band, Yeah,

1442
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yes, where he plays with Evans Seinfeld of Biohazard,

1443
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: Ted Nugent, Scottian of Anthrax, and Sebastian Bach of skid Row.

1444
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure Jason Bond is a very nice British boy,

1445
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: but just him getting grandfathered into led Zeppelin because of

1446
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: who his dad is is baffling to me anyway. Sorry, sorry, Jason,

1447
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: you know who's a killer like son of a drummer

1448
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: who's also an amazing drummers x Starky Zac Starkey Baby

1449
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: Ringo's kid plays with the who's played with the who?

1450
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: I think, I mean longer than Keith, A lot longer.

1451
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: It does incredible, I would say better than Keith hot take.

1452
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: So that was the last time two thousand and seven

1453
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: at the Aminder Contribute show that Plant bustled his head

1454
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: rows and probably the last time. I cannot imagine that

1455
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: we will be hearing him seeing that anytime soon. But

1456
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay because there are some truly great

1457
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: other covers of Stairway to Heaven out there. Usually it's

1458
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: left alone by like the standard rock and roll crowd

1459
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: because they're kind of scared to go near such a

1460
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: such a classic. So there are a lot of covers

1461
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: out there that are pretty different from the original, which is,

1462
01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a sign of a good cover. Really,

1463
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton covered Stairway on her two thousand two albums

1464
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: Halos and Horns, and Robert Plant said he was actually

1465
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 1: a big fan of her version because why wouldn't he be.

1466
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: She's Dolly Parton, like you have to be a yeah yeah.

1467
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: And also, I guess it kind of goes more with

1468
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: this like Alison Krausse vibe these days too. I can

1469
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: see him being into kind of the more country five

1470
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: version of it. And then of course there's Pat Boone,

1471
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: who famously watered down early rock hits from Fats Domino

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Speaker 1: and Little Richard In the late fifties. He tackled Stairway

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Speaker 1: as the closing track of his album In a Metal

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Speaker 1: Mood No More, Mr Nice Guy, famous record. He shows up,

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Speaker 1: it was it the Grammys or someone or American Music Awards,

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Speaker 1: some awards show with Alice Cooper, and he like walks

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Speaker 1: on stage in a leather outfit. Alice Cooper introduces him,

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Speaker 1: is the future of heavy metal or something? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this album in a metal Mood. He's got covers of

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Speaker 1: A C D C, Deep, Purple, Van Halen, Dio, Metallica,

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Speaker 1: and on the cover someone Probab. He told him that

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Speaker 1: he looked metal he's wearing but he's kind of wearing

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Speaker 1: like a leather gim sex slave outfit. Accurate. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: look very med litt all. It looks more b D s.

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Speaker 1: M uh and he got some bad advice or good advice? Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The only middle of the road crooner doing

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Speaker 1: a lounge version of a hard rock song that I

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Speaker 1: recognize is Paul Anka doing Jump Van Hamley Google that

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Speaker 1: it's incredible, incredible song. Uh. Mary J. Blige does a

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Speaker 1: really incredible version of Stairway. She did it in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and ten with Steve Vay and Orianthe on guitar.

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Speaker 1: She the woman who played with Michael Jackson. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think so Um, Randy Jackson's on bass and Blink

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Speaker 1: Waity Two's Travis Barker on drums, which that's a lineup.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely worth the listen. It was a bonus track

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Speaker 1: on I think it was the UK reissue over two

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Speaker 1: thousand nine album Stronger with Each Tear. Travis is great,

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Speaker 1: but that man does not swing any moving on what's

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Speaker 1: the next one. There's a version that the London sip

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Speaker 1: of the Orchestra did there's a Gregorian chant version of Stairway.

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Speaker 1: There's also an accordion driven version of Stairway. Uh. There's

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Speaker 1: a reggae tribute act called dread Zeppelin. That is I

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Speaker 1: can't believe it took us this long to get to

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Speaker 1: dread Zeppelin. Good God, what a scene against music. Ninety

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Speaker 1: minutes in we finally got dread Zeppelin in here. They

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Speaker 1: actually released this as a single in got the number

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Speaker 1: sixty two, and that is absurd to me. I'm sorry, Britain,

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Speaker 1: what the hell were you doing in one? I mean one,

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Speaker 1: you should know better. Good god, I'm sorry. I must

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Speaker 1: not have read ahead to that part because it just

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Speaker 1: made me so furious. Um. And then there's I think

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Speaker 1: probably my favorite led Zepplin cover band is a group

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Speaker 1: called les Zeppelin. Yeah. They are not only the best

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Speaker 1: of all the Zeppelin cover bands no offense to the

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Speaker 1: ones that you were involved with, IG, but they're also

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Speaker 1: indirectly responded stable for this hilarious incident. In two thousand eight,

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Speaker 1: Les Zeppelin were due to play Bonnaroo and the press

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Speaker 1: release went out with led Zeppelin on it. It was

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Speaker 1: all female led Zepplin cover band, and numerous news outlets

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Speaker 1: Misreddit has led Zeppelin, And it had been less than

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Speaker 1: a year since led Zeppelin had done the almin Er

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Speaker 1: Contribute Show, and they're all these rumors that they were

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Speaker 1: going to reunite for a tour. So when this press

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Speaker 1: release went out, numerous news outlets, including like The A

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Speaker 1: P and like the Chicago Sun Time, so good outlets

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Speaker 1: reported that led Zeppelin were reunited. My copy editing is important.

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Speaker 1: People fact check, and they had to offer these really

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Speaker 1: cheapest retractions. Some defended the mistake. The Sun Times said

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Speaker 1: the press release was misleading to say the least. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I would probably have to say that led Zeppelin rank

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Speaker 1: very high on the list of bands unlikely to every

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Speaker 1: reunite again. No, not at all. Well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: about all I have to say on this. I think

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Speaker 1: maybe we give the final word to pay G, shall we? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he says to me. I thought Stairway crystallized the essence

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Speaker 1: of the band, which I would disagree with. It's not

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Speaker 1: horny enough to me. I thought Stairway crystallized the essence

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Speaker 1: of the band. It had everything there and showed the

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Speaker 1: band at its best as a band, as a unit.

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Speaker 1: It was a milestone for us Every musician wants to

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Speaker 1: do something of lasting quality, something which will hold up

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Speaker 1: for a long time. And I guess we did it

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Speaker 1: with Stairway. Yeah. I'm more of a hoogu, you know Jordan's.

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Speaker 1: There are two paths you can go by, but in

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Speaker 1: the long run, there's still time to change the road

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Speaker 1: you're on. We'll see you next time for more Too

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Speaker 1: Much Information, I'm Alex Hegel, I'm Jordan run Talg. Thanks

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. The show's executive producers are Noel Brown

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Speaker 1: and Jordan run Talk. The supervising producer is Mike John's.

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Speaker 1: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan run

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