1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:14,106 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Welcome to NFL Explained, a production 3 00:00:14,266 --> 00:00:18,066 Speaker 1: of the NFL in partnership with I Heart Radio. Up 4 00:00:18,066 --> 00:00:21,226 Speaker 1: Work is the world's work marketplace. Empower your business and 5 00:00:21,306 --> 00:00:25,626 Speaker 1: hire the world's most in demand developers, designers, project managers 6 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:30,026 Speaker 1: and more at www dot up work dot com. America's 7 00:00:30,066 --> 00:00:33,026 Speaker 1: most reliable network is going Ultra with Verizon five G 8 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:35,746 Speaker 1: Ultra wide ban and more and more places with up 9 00:00:35,746 --> 00:00:38,466 Speaker 1: to ten times faster speeds. You can download a movie 10 00:00:38,506 --> 00:00:42,146 Speaker 1: in mere minutes. 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My stomach is actually growling. 19 00:01:11,106 --> 00:01:15,186 Speaker 1: I am so hungry and this probably not the episode 20 00:01:15,226 --> 00:01:17,666 Speaker 1: to listen to if that's the case. Welcome to NFL explain. 21 00:01:17,786 --> 00:01:20,506 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she's a d D Kickablalla, I'm feeling 22 00:01:20,586 --> 00:01:23,146 Speaker 1: very bad for you. The Cereal is not cutting it 23 00:01:23,226 --> 00:01:24,986 Speaker 1: from this morning, and people are like, why are you 24 00:01:25,026 --> 00:01:27,786 Speaker 1: talking about food right now? Well, that is actually today's 25 00:01:27,826 --> 00:01:31,426 Speaker 1: episode how to Feed an NFL team. We should be 26 00:01:31,466 --> 00:01:34,186 Speaker 1: doing the episode on how to feed broadcasters. Although I 27 00:01:34,186 --> 00:01:36,706 Speaker 1: think I'm the only person add that needs to listen 28 00:01:36,746 --> 00:01:39,426 Speaker 1: to that episode because it looks like you're fueled up 29 00:01:39,426 --> 00:01:42,026 Speaker 1: for the show. I feel like that's a knock right there. Well, no, 30 00:01:42,226 --> 00:01:44,506 Speaker 1: it's very rare for me to actually miss a meal 31 00:01:44,706 --> 00:01:47,626 Speaker 1: a but b I do eat on the run. That's 32 00:01:47,626 --> 00:01:50,106 Speaker 1: why there are crumbs everywhere. That's why you actually just 33 00:01:50,346 --> 00:01:54,306 Speaker 1: saw my daughter picking things to eat off of my desk, 34 00:01:54,386 --> 00:01:56,546 Speaker 1: because there are always things to eat at my desk. 35 00:01:56,866 --> 00:01:58,826 Speaker 1: Well done. It's a good strategy eat on the run. 36 00:01:58,866 --> 00:02:01,386 Speaker 1: You're burning the calories while you're in taking them. Although 37 00:02:01,426 --> 00:02:03,586 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the exact way to do it, 38 00:02:03,626 --> 00:02:06,946 Speaker 1: but for some NFL players maybe that's their strategy. In fact, 39 00:02:06,986 --> 00:02:09,506 Speaker 1: when it comes to snacks during the games. That's actually 40 00:02:09,506 --> 00:02:11,146 Speaker 1: something we're gonna learn a little bit later in this 41 00:02:11,186 --> 00:02:13,346 Speaker 1: episode that I found out based off of one of 42 00:02:13,506 --> 00:02:17,026 Speaker 1: your conversations. But I'm excited for today's episode of d 43 00:02:17,146 --> 00:02:19,906 Speaker 1: D because food, I think is something that is just 44 00:02:20,186 --> 00:02:22,346 Speaker 1: it's always on my mind, and I think I'm not 45 00:02:22,386 --> 00:02:24,506 Speaker 1: the only person that would agree with that assessment. Well, 46 00:02:24,506 --> 00:02:26,946 Speaker 1: and it's not just what's on someone's mind. It's a 47 00:02:27,026 --> 00:02:30,026 Speaker 1: cultural thing. Often. You know, when NFL teams go on 48 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:34,186 Speaker 1: the road, they do their best to maintain their same 49 00:02:34,506 --> 00:02:39,506 Speaker 1: general food options, but most teams will offer something that's 50 00:02:40,186 --> 00:02:43,426 Speaker 1: very particular to where they are. So, for instance, I'll 51 00:02:43,426 --> 00:02:45,706 Speaker 1: give you as an example, when the Cleveland Browns go 52 00:02:45,746 --> 00:02:48,146 Speaker 1: to Baltimore, there's always crab cakes on the menu in 53 00:02:48,186 --> 00:02:51,666 Speaker 1: addition to everything else that is usually available. When the 54 00:02:51,706 --> 00:02:54,866 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns go to Cincinnati Chili, you'll get some Skyline 55 00:02:54,946 --> 00:02:58,346 Speaker 1: Chili in addition to everything else. So food is about places, 56 00:02:58,426 --> 00:03:01,826 Speaker 1: Food is about culture, food is about family, and to 57 00:03:01,986 --> 00:03:05,666 Speaker 1: some people, food is only about sustenance. I mean, we'll 58 00:03:05,786 --> 00:03:08,906 Speaker 1: get into this later, but I talked to the head 59 00:03:09,026 --> 00:03:11,666 Speaker 1: of nutrition and the head dietitian with the Cleveland Browns, 60 00:03:11,706 --> 00:03:13,906 Speaker 1: Katie Messick, and she told me that there are guys 61 00:03:13,906 --> 00:03:19,866 Speaker 1: that will eat the same exact thing every single day 62 00:03:20,066 --> 00:03:23,506 Speaker 1: creature of habit my routine. I would be one of 63 00:03:23,546 --> 00:03:27,506 Speaker 1: those people that Katie is referencing, not to mention sis, Yeah, 64 00:03:27,546 --> 00:03:29,586 Speaker 1: I do eat a lot of the same foods pretty 65 00:03:30,226 --> 00:03:33,586 Speaker 1: boredom out of that, like food boredom, that's a thing. Yeah, 66 00:03:33,786 --> 00:03:35,106 Speaker 1: And I'll break it up. I don't eat the same 67 00:03:35,146 --> 00:03:38,346 Speaker 1: thing literally every day, but generally speaking, I'm I kind 68 00:03:38,346 --> 00:03:40,706 Speaker 1: of fall into a certain path, Like I won't eat 69 00:03:40,706 --> 00:03:43,826 Speaker 1: spicy foods because upsets my stomach, and I won't do 70 00:03:43,866 --> 00:03:45,586 Speaker 1: that on a show day, right, like just kind of 71 00:03:45,626 --> 00:03:47,466 Speaker 1: like game day. I would imagine a lot of these 72 00:03:47,546 --> 00:03:50,106 Speaker 1: NFL players, In fact, you had an opportunity to talk 73 00:03:50,146 --> 00:03:53,466 Speaker 1: to one and Joe Thomas, who I don't think missed 74 00:03:53,546 --> 00:03:56,306 Speaker 1: many meals when he was playing three d plus pounds 75 00:03:56,306 --> 00:03:59,026 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, Like those dudes probably are eating 76 00:03:59,066 --> 00:04:01,746 Speaker 1: for sustenance and maybe less about the taste. Well, and 77 00:04:01,746 --> 00:04:04,426 Speaker 1: Show is going to tell us that eating actually became 78 00:04:04,466 --> 00:04:07,506 Speaker 1: part of his job, because Joe was one of the 79 00:04:07,586 --> 00:04:11,546 Speaker 1: roughly let's call it, of NFL players that actually had 80 00:04:11,586 --> 00:04:15,066 Speaker 1: to eat to maintain their weight. And I will tell you, Mike, 81 00:04:15,146 --> 00:04:17,506 Speaker 1: I took a major hit for the team and talking 82 00:04:17,506 --> 00:04:19,586 Speaker 1: to Joe because if he sat there and talking about 83 00:04:19,786 --> 00:04:22,706 Speaker 1: how painful and brutal it was to have to eat 84 00:04:22,706 --> 00:04:25,666 Speaker 1: a whole pizza and how terrible his life was that 85 00:04:25,666 --> 00:04:28,066 Speaker 1: he had to eat ice cream every night. I really 86 00:04:28,386 --> 00:04:31,826 Speaker 1: kind of just wanted to to know, Yeah, the ice 87 00:04:31,866 --> 00:04:34,306 Speaker 1: cream thing would not be an issue for me. I 88 00:04:34,346 --> 00:04:37,426 Speaker 1: do think we should set the stage here because once again, 89 00:04:37,466 --> 00:04:39,346 Speaker 1: your conversation with Joe Thomas is coming up, and I 90 00:04:39,346 --> 00:04:41,346 Speaker 1: think it'll be fascinating to hear what he had to 91 00:04:41,386 --> 00:04:44,426 Speaker 1: tell you about what it was like to force food 92 00:04:44,466 --> 00:04:46,506 Speaker 1: down his mouth, to make sure that he was maintaining. 93 00:04:46,546 --> 00:04:48,706 Speaker 1: Not to mention what it's like for a lot of chefs, 94 00:04:48,906 --> 00:04:51,146 Speaker 1: but I think in a world where maybe not everyone 95 00:04:51,266 --> 00:04:53,666 Speaker 1: is doing the calorie counting, I just wanted to set 96 00:04:53,666 --> 00:04:56,386 Speaker 1: the stage for people a duty on what generally is 97 00:04:56,466 --> 00:04:59,386 Speaker 1: recommended for what I will call general population or not 98 00:04:59,746 --> 00:05:03,666 Speaker 1: pro athletes, generally speaking from a female and a male perspective, 99 00:05:03,746 --> 00:05:08,226 Speaker 1: females roughly about two tho calories a day, males hundred 100 00:05:08,226 --> 00:05:11,466 Speaker 1: calories a day. I am certainly above that number, which 101 00:05:11,466 --> 00:05:14,106 Speaker 1: is probably not necessarily a good thing. But I think 102 00:05:14,346 --> 00:05:16,266 Speaker 1: the other thing to highlight here a D is the 103 00:05:16,306 --> 00:05:18,586 Speaker 1: type of athlete that you are. And I know genetics 104 00:05:18,586 --> 00:05:21,986 Speaker 1: plays a factor here, but an NFL players probably doing 105 00:05:21,986 --> 00:05:24,546 Speaker 1: it a little bit differently than a swimmer. And I 106 00:05:24,586 --> 00:05:27,426 Speaker 1: automatically think back to a guy like Michael Phelps, who 107 00:05:27,706 --> 00:05:30,426 Speaker 1: clearly is one of the greatest athletes this country has 108 00:05:30,426 --> 00:05:32,866 Speaker 1: ever seen, and when he was training for the Beijing Olympics, 109 00:05:33,066 --> 00:05:37,506 Speaker 1: that is eating ten thousand calories a day, ten thousand 110 00:05:37,546 --> 00:05:40,026 Speaker 1: calories a day, and he was sitting with eight percent 111 00:05:40,186 --> 00:05:43,146 Speaker 1: body fat because he's burning a thousand calories every hour 112 00:05:43,466 --> 00:05:46,506 Speaker 1: that he's working out. NFL players generally a d D 113 00:05:46,746 --> 00:05:49,706 Speaker 1: sitting in that three to five thousand range, unless we're 114 00:05:49,706 --> 00:05:52,426 Speaker 1: talking about it Joe Thomas on the offensive line, maybe 115 00:05:52,506 --> 00:05:54,506 Speaker 1: up to six thousand. In fact, even some of your 116 00:05:54,506 --> 00:05:57,426 Speaker 1: bigger guys or six thousand. Katie Messick was telling me 117 00:05:57,506 --> 00:06:00,866 Speaker 1: that you know a dB who might have a ridiculously 118 00:06:01,026 --> 00:06:04,306 Speaker 1: fast metabolism, A linebacker room might have a fast metabolism, 119 00:06:04,466 --> 00:06:07,226 Speaker 1: may have to get to five thousand calories a day, 120 00:06:07,266 --> 00:06:09,946 Speaker 1: but it's almost more important whoever you are, whether you're 121 00:06:09,986 --> 00:06:13,586 Speaker 1: Michael Phelps, whether you're Michael Yam, whether you are I 122 00:06:13,626 --> 00:06:15,346 Speaker 1: can't think of another Michael. Why can I not think 123 00:06:15,346 --> 00:06:18,786 Speaker 1: of another Michael Jordan's. I mean, first of all, that 124 00:06:18,906 --> 00:06:20,666 Speaker 1: is the one I was thinking of. But at this point, 125 00:06:20,746 --> 00:06:25,386 Speaker 1: does Michael Jordan really matter like what he eats. This 126 00:06:25,426 --> 00:06:28,506 Speaker 1: is a random aside and I'm totally digressing, But you 127 00:06:28,546 --> 00:06:30,986 Speaker 1: remember hearing that story that he drank eight beers after 128 00:06:31,026 --> 00:06:33,066 Speaker 1: every game for him, like he lost so many fluids 129 00:06:33,066 --> 00:06:35,306 Speaker 1: that he just down the beers got a high trade. 130 00:06:35,506 --> 00:06:38,466 Speaker 1: Once again, that's probably my post show diet. I'm not 131 00:06:38,506 --> 00:06:40,826 Speaker 1: eating spicy foods before the show, but after, you know, 132 00:06:41,266 --> 00:06:44,266 Speaker 1: mine's usually a tall glass of wine for clearly not 133 00:06:44,266 --> 00:06:46,186 Speaker 1: going to ever get to go you together, because I 134 00:06:46,266 --> 00:06:48,906 Speaker 1: love spicy food. I need spicy food. I need some 135 00:06:48,946 --> 00:06:52,146 Speaker 1: spice in every meal. Yeah, I eat pretty bland. You know. 136 00:06:52,266 --> 00:06:54,586 Speaker 1: Actually that's an interesting thing because how about this, Like 137 00:06:54,666 --> 00:06:57,746 Speaker 1: even from an athletic standpoint, there's been a push recently, 138 00:06:57,946 --> 00:06:59,466 Speaker 1: Aditi and I don't know if you got into this 139 00:06:59,506 --> 00:07:02,466 Speaker 1: with Katie about this, but just people who don't eat meat. 140 00:07:02,506 --> 00:07:06,226 Speaker 1: You got the vegetarians, you got pescterian, you've got the 141 00:07:06,226 --> 00:07:08,626 Speaker 1: people who like it when it's bloody on their plate. 142 00:07:08,746 --> 00:07:11,986 Speaker 1: And it's more probably wrong me. There's a strategy and 143 00:07:12,026 --> 00:07:16,226 Speaker 1: a philosophy behind what people are consuming as they're preparing 144 00:07:16,386 --> 00:07:20,026 Speaker 1: for workouts or just their games. And that's what we're 145 00:07:20,146 --> 00:07:24,586 Speaker 1: seeing now as more NFL teams are taking a greater 146 00:07:24,666 --> 00:07:28,466 Speaker 1: interest in nutrition, is that you don't necessarily you know, 147 00:07:28,506 --> 00:07:31,026 Speaker 1: I'm a vegetarian. I don't like people telling me, oh, well, 148 00:07:31,026 --> 00:07:33,226 Speaker 1: how do you get your protein? Obviously I get my protein. 149 00:07:33,266 --> 00:07:35,306 Speaker 1: I've been getting my protein. I'm a healthy person and 150 00:07:35,306 --> 00:07:38,106 Speaker 1: I have healthy children and whatever. It's this idea that 151 00:07:38,826 --> 00:07:42,546 Speaker 1: you can cater to what you like, be it spicy 152 00:07:42,586 --> 00:07:46,506 Speaker 1: food or not, and still get the necessary fuel. And 153 00:07:46,666 --> 00:07:51,106 Speaker 1: it's important that you put things in your body at 154 00:07:51,226 --> 00:07:54,466 Speaker 1: certain times so that they can be used for certain 155 00:07:54,506 --> 00:07:56,706 Speaker 1: things and that the things that you put in your 156 00:07:56,746 --> 00:08:00,346 Speaker 1: body are serving a purpose. And I think that that's 157 00:08:00,346 --> 00:08:03,586 Speaker 1: what athletes are really focusing on more. Now, why do 158 00:08:03,626 --> 00:08:06,026 Speaker 1: you eat a banana pre practice? Why do you have 159 00:08:06,266 --> 00:08:09,666 Speaker 1: that shake post practice? Those are the things that are 160 00:08:09,666 --> 00:08:12,346 Speaker 1: really going into what they eat now. I'm so glad 161 00:08:12,586 --> 00:08:14,946 Speaker 1: you said that you get annoyed that people ask how 162 00:08:15,026 --> 00:08:16,666 Speaker 1: you get your protein. I was about to ask you 163 00:08:16,706 --> 00:08:19,186 Speaker 1: that question, so mental note, Glad you brought that up 164 00:08:19,226 --> 00:08:21,306 Speaker 1: and I did that off at the past. Well, because 165 00:08:21,346 --> 00:08:23,706 Speaker 1: just think about it. I don't know if people necessarily 166 00:08:23,746 --> 00:08:26,866 Speaker 1: think about non meat now, certainly I get it. You, 167 00:08:26,866 --> 00:08:28,626 Speaker 1: I don't know if you eat fish or kind of 168 00:08:28,706 --> 00:08:32,386 Speaker 1: where you land on the springs laos Greek yogurt. You 169 00:08:32,386 --> 00:08:34,746 Speaker 1: know how much protein Greek yogurt has. No, I'm not 170 00:08:34,746 --> 00:08:36,866 Speaker 1: a yogurt guy unless it's frozen coming out of the 171 00:08:36,866 --> 00:08:39,226 Speaker 1: machine and I throw M and m's on top. Oh, 172 00:08:39,266 --> 00:08:41,706 Speaker 1: when I used Greek yogurt, I mean I don't eat 173 00:08:41,746 --> 00:08:45,146 Speaker 1: sour cream. I use Greek yogurt. I don't need mayo. 174 00:08:45,346 --> 00:08:47,026 Speaker 1: I use Greek yogurt. I mean you can use Greek 175 00:08:47,106 --> 00:08:49,866 Speaker 1: yogurt for anything. Basically, I got a cookbook for you. 176 00:08:49,946 --> 00:08:51,906 Speaker 1: When we're done, Mike, I'm going to send you this cookbook. 177 00:08:51,906 --> 00:08:55,226 Speaker 1: It's how to make anything using Greek yogurt. I definitely 178 00:08:55,266 --> 00:08:58,346 Speaker 1: will scan that adity because no one boils water better 179 00:08:58,346 --> 00:09:01,426 Speaker 1: than I do. If that expands my cooking prowess. 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Katie Messick, 211 00:10:42,346 --> 00:10:45,066 Speaker 1: the head of nutrition and the head dietitian with the 212 00:10:45,106 --> 00:10:47,226 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, told me that there are guys that will 213 00:10:47,266 --> 00:10:51,106 Speaker 1: eat the same exact thing every day. I want to 214 00:10:51,106 --> 00:10:52,946 Speaker 1: actually ask you this question just as it pertains to 215 00:10:53,026 --> 00:10:56,426 Speaker 1: your conversation with Katie. Just covering a lot of college 216 00:10:56,426 --> 00:10:58,746 Speaker 1: football over the last few years, I can't help but 217 00:10:58,946 --> 00:11:01,626 Speaker 1: notice how a lot of the dietitians and people on 218 00:11:01,746 --> 00:11:04,946 Speaker 1: college campuses have felt for the last ten years or 219 00:11:04,986 --> 00:11:07,586 Speaker 1: so that they're head of the NFL when it comes 220 00:11:07,626 --> 00:11:10,746 Speaker 1: to nutrition. Which is kind of shocking, right because you 221 00:11:10,746 --> 00:11:14,226 Speaker 1: think about the millions and billions of dollars towards professional athletes, 222 00:11:14,306 --> 00:11:17,066 Speaker 1: and I don't know if they're necessarily wrong. Well, it's 223 00:11:17,146 --> 00:11:20,146 Speaker 1: actually not shocking if you think about this. And Mike, 224 00:11:20,226 --> 00:11:23,186 Speaker 1: this is where I get to say, as a mother, 225 00:11:23,866 --> 00:11:27,466 Speaker 1: if I leave my children with a babysitter, I always 226 00:11:27,546 --> 00:11:30,706 Speaker 1: ask how did they eat? What did they eat? So 227 00:11:30,826 --> 00:11:33,586 Speaker 1: think about it. If you are a parent dropping off 228 00:11:33,666 --> 00:11:36,906 Speaker 1: your eighteen year old son to college, aren't you going 229 00:11:36,946 --> 00:11:39,666 Speaker 1: to be concerned what he eats? And this is great 230 00:11:39,706 --> 00:11:43,106 Speaker 1: because Katie actually came to the Brown six years ago 231 00:11:43,226 --> 00:11:47,986 Speaker 1: from Florida State, and she's hypothesized that This is why 232 00:11:48,106 --> 00:11:51,506 Speaker 1: the major college programs have sort of been ahead of 233 00:11:51,546 --> 00:11:54,026 Speaker 1: the curve of the NFL IS because all these parents 234 00:11:54,026 --> 00:11:57,146 Speaker 1: were coming in on recruiting trips and every parent worries 235 00:11:57,186 --> 00:12:00,986 Speaker 1: about what their kid is eating. And that's why these 236 00:12:01,026 --> 00:12:03,386 Speaker 1: programs have to sort of focus on that and think 237 00:12:03,426 --> 00:12:05,906 Speaker 1: about that. And also those are formative years where you're 238 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:11,186 Speaker 1: kind of helping set habits and practices such as eating, 239 00:12:11,466 --> 00:12:13,146 Speaker 1: you know, four times a day, or if you're in 240 00:12:13,186 --> 00:12:15,266 Speaker 1: training camp, you should be eating six times a day, 241 00:12:15,306 --> 00:12:18,026 Speaker 1: things like that. I talked to a multiple coaches about this, 242 00:12:18,146 --> 00:12:20,826 Speaker 1: and some of them would complain about training table at 243 00:12:20,826 --> 00:12:23,826 Speaker 1: the college side and saying, look at what's happening in pick. 244 00:12:23,946 --> 00:12:26,106 Speaker 1: I'll just say the sec because I covered the Pack twelve. 245 00:12:26,226 --> 00:12:28,506 Speaker 1: Look at what they're feeding their dudes compared to what 246 00:12:28,546 --> 00:12:31,946 Speaker 1: we're feeding our guys you switch in development. I would 247 00:12:31,986 --> 00:12:35,506 Speaker 1: imagine that there are, depending on your position, this idea 248 00:12:35,586 --> 00:12:39,986 Speaker 1: of maintaining or actually gaining weight, and that affecting what 249 00:12:40,106 --> 00:12:42,386 Speaker 1: some of these dietitians are putting together. Well sure, but 250 00:12:42,426 --> 00:12:43,946 Speaker 1: I think that the whole idea is that you have 251 00:12:44,026 --> 00:12:46,906 Speaker 1: to have options for everyone. You know, you can't send 252 00:12:46,986 --> 00:12:51,506 Speaker 1: home anybody feeling hungry or unsatisfied or unheard. But when 253 00:12:51,546 --> 00:12:54,466 Speaker 1: you feed a football team at their home facility, you're 254 00:12:54,506 --> 00:12:57,786 Speaker 1: also feeding another I don't know, a hundred and fifty 255 00:12:57,826 --> 00:13:02,466 Speaker 1: potentially two hundred other team employees, be their coaches or staff, 256 00:13:02,586 --> 00:13:06,026 Speaker 1: or just front office executives, marketing people whoever, or they 257 00:13:06,066 --> 00:13:08,626 Speaker 1: maybe when you're on the road, you're also feeding a 258 00:13:08,626 --> 00:13:13,026 Speaker 1: lot of support staff. So you are looking to not 259 00:13:13,146 --> 00:13:16,546 Speaker 1: only satisfy but fuel all sorts of people who have 260 00:13:16,706 --> 00:13:20,226 Speaker 1: different jobs and need to do different things. And I 261 00:13:20,266 --> 00:13:22,586 Speaker 1: think when it comes down to it, healthy eating is 262 00:13:22,586 --> 00:13:25,906 Speaker 1: healthy eating. It's just the quantities in which you do it. 263 00:13:26,426 --> 00:13:28,506 Speaker 1: What again, we keep saying sort of the same thing, 264 00:13:28,506 --> 00:13:31,906 Speaker 1: the same specific thing. What are you trying to do 265 00:13:31,986 --> 00:13:34,506 Speaker 1: at what point of the day? You know, Like I 266 00:13:34,546 --> 00:13:38,546 Speaker 1: love to say, Mike, um, I've this is one of 267 00:13:38,586 --> 00:13:41,266 Speaker 1: the very crazy things about me. I have like recently 268 00:13:41,346 --> 00:13:44,666 Speaker 1: just stopped loving breakfast food. So I don't understand, like, 269 00:13:44,666 --> 00:13:47,586 Speaker 1: why can't I eat lunch food at breakfast I know exactly, 270 00:13:47,586 --> 00:13:49,306 Speaker 1: but you know what, like I just I'm not into 271 00:13:49,346 --> 00:13:52,706 Speaker 1: break breakfast there, so I'd rather eat lunch food at 272 00:13:52,706 --> 00:13:56,186 Speaker 1: breakfast food. And it's this idea of what difference does 273 00:13:56,226 --> 00:13:58,426 Speaker 1: it make? What difference does it make what time you're 274 00:13:58,426 --> 00:14:01,146 Speaker 1: eating it. If you're going to eat your meal and 275 00:14:01,186 --> 00:14:03,026 Speaker 1: then have a cookie, does it really matter if you 276 00:14:03,026 --> 00:14:04,906 Speaker 1: eat the cookie before you eat your meal, as long 277 00:14:04,906 --> 00:14:07,706 Speaker 1: as you finish your meal. It's sort of that question. 278 00:14:07,866 --> 00:14:11,266 Speaker 1: But when you are an elite athlete and you are 279 00:14:11,386 --> 00:14:15,986 Speaker 1: fueling your body for performance, it actually does matter what 280 00:14:16,106 --> 00:14:18,946 Speaker 1: you eat when you eat it. But look, I got 281 00:14:18,946 --> 00:14:21,346 Speaker 1: a ton of super fun facts from Katie, so let's 282 00:14:21,346 --> 00:14:23,786 Speaker 1: throw some of them out there, all right, Mike, Let's 283 00:14:23,866 --> 00:14:27,306 Speaker 1: get into some of my favorite part of NFL explained. 284 00:14:27,426 --> 00:14:29,746 Speaker 1: And that's when we get to play the quiz game. 285 00:14:29,986 --> 00:14:37,146 Speaker 1: You ready to the music Cleveland Browns, And we chose 286 00:14:37,146 --> 00:14:39,146 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns because you know, they did have a 287 00:14:39,186 --> 00:14:43,146 Speaker 1: tremendous year and they did perform above expectation. And because 288 00:14:43,186 --> 00:14:45,546 Speaker 1: Joe Thomas spent his entire career with the Browns, why 289 00:14:45,546 --> 00:14:47,546 Speaker 1: not let's go to the Cleveland Browns. And because they're 290 00:14:47,666 --> 00:14:51,106 Speaker 1: really fabulous to work with, and so it was easy 291 00:14:51,146 --> 00:14:54,626 Speaker 1: to get someone on the phone. Here we go. How 292 00:14:54,626 --> 00:14:57,826 Speaker 1: many pounds of peanut butter did the Cleveland Browns go 293 00:14:57,986 --> 00:15:03,706 Speaker 1: through every week of the season? Okay, so I'm thinking snacks, 294 00:15:03,746 --> 00:15:06,186 Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly. I'm thinking about all the shakes 295 00:15:06,266 --> 00:15:10,706 Speaker 1: that they were probably consuming. Because I'm a big chocolate 296 00:15:11,106 --> 00:15:13,506 Speaker 1: way peanut butter shaped type of person. So how many 297 00:15:13,586 --> 00:15:22,586 Speaker 1: pounds every week? Uh, I don't know, pounds higher? Lower? Okay, 298 00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:25,706 Speaker 1: this is a kid I play with my son. Actually, 299 00:15:27,746 --> 00:15:30,306 Speaker 1: thirty five pounds of peters? Okay? How many pounds of 300 00:15:30,306 --> 00:15:34,066 Speaker 1: strawberries a week? How many pounds of strawberries? I put 301 00:15:34,106 --> 00:15:37,266 Speaker 1: that at a higher number, So let's say fifty, keep 302 00:15:37,306 --> 00:15:44,986 Speaker 1: going way higher. Four hundred pounds of strawberries. How many 303 00:15:45,026 --> 00:15:49,746 Speaker 1: pounds of chicken a week? Chicken has got to be 304 00:15:49,866 --> 00:15:53,346 Speaker 1: just an insane number because I would imagine most people 305 00:15:53,386 --> 00:15:56,786 Speaker 1: on football teams are not vegan. You probably want to 306 00:15:56,786 --> 00:16:00,546 Speaker 1: go chicken as opposed to red meat. Generally speaking, I'm 307 00:16:00,586 --> 00:16:02,826 Speaker 1: trying to flash back in my head on some of 308 00:16:02,866 --> 00:16:05,226 Speaker 1: the conversations I have people on college campuses, and then 309 00:16:05,266 --> 00:16:07,906 Speaker 1: just make that number high for such a good stall. 310 00:16:08,786 --> 00:16:11,026 Speaker 1: When you don't have an answer, you just sit here 311 00:16:11,186 --> 00:16:12,986 Speaker 1: like this should be a lightning round. Come on, the 312 00:16:13,146 --> 00:16:19,226 Speaker 1: pounds of chicken. Let's just we'll go three hundred seven 313 00:16:20,066 --> 00:16:22,946 Speaker 1: seven hundred pounds of chicken a week to feed the 314 00:16:22,986 --> 00:16:26,546 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns organization last year. It's a lot of birds. 315 00:16:26,706 --> 00:16:28,866 Speaker 1: You know what, here's another little chicken nugget and that 316 00:16:28,986 --> 00:16:31,946 Speaker 1: Katie Massik told me, well done. How many chicken nuggets 317 00:16:32,026 --> 00:16:34,826 Speaker 1: do they eat? Well? Chick fil A is one of 318 00:16:34,826 --> 00:16:38,066 Speaker 1: those treat meals that apparently they really enjoyed. But I asked, 319 00:16:38,066 --> 00:16:39,906 Speaker 1: what are the two favorite meals? Like, what are the 320 00:16:39,906 --> 00:16:41,826 Speaker 1: meals that you know guys are coming back for seconds, 321 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:43,666 Speaker 1: whether they should or they shouldn't. What are the ones 322 00:16:43,706 --> 00:16:46,026 Speaker 1: that they might be packing up to take home? Number 323 00:16:46,026 --> 00:16:49,466 Speaker 1: one is general sALS chicken and number two is what 324 00:16:49,506 --> 00:16:53,386 Speaker 1: I am actually cooking for my family tonight. Tacos. Oh, okay, 325 00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,466 Speaker 1: we eat tacos once a week in this house. Yeah. 326 00:16:55,506 --> 00:16:57,426 Speaker 1: I ordered tacos at least once a week, and my 327 00:16:57,506 --> 00:17:00,306 Speaker 1: house so yeah, we're on the same diet plan. I 328 00:17:00,666 --> 00:17:03,226 Speaker 1: like it all right, since we did peanut butter, Can 329 00:17:03,226 --> 00:17:05,026 Speaker 1: I give you a fun peanut butter fact too, Yeah, 330 00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:07,666 Speaker 1: of course. Okay, So the Browns make about fifty peanut 331 00:17:07,666 --> 00:17:10,706 Speaker 1: butter and jelly sandwiches a day, and they obviously make 332 00:17:10,746 --> 00:17:13,266 Speaker 1: those sandwiches on whole wheat, and peanut butter and jelly 333 00:17:13,306 --> 00:17:15,506 Speaker 1: is a good it's a good snack like in between 334 00:17:15,506 --> 00:17:17,986 Speaker 1: a meeting or whatever, like you might get an energy bite, 335 00:17:18,026 --> 00:17:19,466 Speaker 1: you might get trail mix, you might get a p 336 00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:21,826 Speaker 1: PNJ whatever. So fifty of those a day. But on 337 00:17:22,186 --> 00:17:25,946 Speaker 1: game day, the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, which again 338 00:17:26,026 --> 00:17:29,026 Speaker 1: are a really good pregame or halftime quick thing to grab, 339 00:17:29,546 --> 00:17:32,826 Speaker 1: are not made on whole wheat. They're made on a 340 00:17:33,026 --> 00:17:36,386 Speaker 1: white bread. Do you know why on game day peanut 341 00:17:36,386 --> 00:17:38,866 Speaker 1: butter and jelly is made on white bread. No, that's 342 00:17:38,946 --> 00:17:41,506 Speaker 1: fascinating to me because my doctor told me go whole wheat. 343 00:17:41,546 --> 00:17:43,426 Speaker 1: My a one C number higher than it should be 344 00:17:43,466 --> 00:17:46,586 Speaker 1: as I'm turning forty, so I feel like I'm ready 345 00:17:46,626 --> 00:17:48,626 Speaker 1: to be armed with AMMO and say I want it 346 00:17:48,666 --> 00:17:52,226 Speaker 1: on white But maybe it's not appropriate for me. Why white. Yeah, 347 00:17:52,266 --> 00:17:54,026 Speaker 1: you're not playing a football game and you're not going 348 00:17:54,026 --> 00:17:56,426 Speaker 1: out for a second half because white bread doesn't have 349 00:17:56,466 --> 00:17:59,066 Speaker 1: the fiber that wheat bread does. And so if you 350 00:17:59,146 --> 00:18:01,026 Speaker 1: have to go back out onto the field, you don't 351 00:18:01,026 --> 00:18:03,826 Speaker 1: want to have any tummy trouble. And the white bread 352 00:18:03,906 --> 00:18:06,186 Speaker 1: is easier to digest. So you're saying we don't want 353 00:18:06,226 --> 00:18:09,786 Speaker 1: like a Lamar Jackson Monday night situation that we relived. 354 00:18:09,786 --> 00:18:11,746 Speaker 1: And I said it wasn't the bathroom and he said 355 00:18:11,786 --> 00:18:15,146 Speaker 1: it was crams. Okay, well look still the Tommy ache. Right, 356 00:18:15,306 --> 00:18:18,186 Speaker 1: you were there for that game, right, I was there anyway. Okay. 357 00:18:18,186 --> 00:18:20,586 Speaker 1: So broccoli and green beans are the two vegetables that 358 00:18:20,666 --> 00:18:23,706 Speaker 1: always go, and NFL teams always make an effort. As 359 00:18:23,746 --> 00:18:26,706 Speaker 1: someone who has eaten in NFL headquarters, I can say this, 360 00:18:26,986 --> 00:18:30,826 Speaker 1: they make an effort to cook these vegetables differently, flavor 361 00:18:30,866 --> 00:18:34,306 Speaker 1: them differently, show that they come in different flavors. Corn 362 00:18:34,786 --> 00:18:36,626 Speaker 1: f y, I Mike, As I tell my son, as 363 00:18:36,626 --> 00:18:38,666 Speaker 1: I tell my husband, and as I am now telling you, 364 00:18:38,946 --> 00:18:42,226 Speaker 1: corn is not a vegetable. What are you talking about? 365 00:18:42,226 --> 00:18:44,986 Speaker 1: It's more of a starch alright. When it comes to fuel, 366 00:18:45,066 --> 00:18:46,906 Speaker 1: it's not as good as a broccoli or a green 367 00:18:46,946 --> 00:18:49,626 Speaker 1: green or a brussel sprout. I love corn. I always 368 00:18:49,626 --> 00:18:51,866 Speaker 1: thought I was making the right call when I had corn. 369 00:18:52,746 --> 00:18:55,826 Speaker 1: That's like a that's like a carb more than man. 370 00:18:56,146 --> 00:18:58,746 Speaker 1: This is all right, Well, I'm glad you're educating, because 371 00:18:58,786 --> 00:19:00,706 Speaker 1: I felt like the education was in process. By the way, 372 00:19:00,706 --> 00:19:02,706 Speaker 1: for anyone who missed our Monday Night episodes, still one 373 00:19:02,706 --> 00:19:05,666 Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes of NFL, explain highly encouraged. You'd 374 00:19:05,786 --> 00:19:08,746 Speaker 1: hear a d D story about Lamar Jackson on that episode. 375 00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:12,226 Speaker 1: Uh and if you enjoy corn, I guess switched to 376 00:19:12,226 --> 00:19:14,586 Speaker 1: broccoli is the other thing that I'm learning in this episode. 377 00:19:14,626 --> 00:19:17,586 Speaker 1: I am so disappointed. Make sure you have enough green 378 00:19:17,746 --> 00:19:20,826 Speaker 1: stuff on your plate. Which really is the perfect segue 379 00:19:20,866 --> 00:19:23,466 Speaker 1: to be When we talked to Joe Thomas, he will 380 00:19:23,506 --> 00:19:27,466 Speaker 1: tell us the same way that NFL teams are evolving 381 00:19:27,506 --> 00:19:30,906 Speaker 1: in the way they look at nutrition. Joe evolved over 382 00:19:30,946 --> 00:19:34,026 Speaker 1: the course of his career somewhat, but really once he 383 00:19:34,146 --> 00:19:37,786 Speaker 1: retired and wanted to drop a ton of weight and 384 00:19:37,906 --> 00:19:40,506 Speaker 1: drop it healthily, well, we'll get some of those stories 385 00:19:40,546 --> 00:19:42,866 Speaker 1: from him. He is also one of our colleagues at 386 00:19:42,946 --> 00:19:46,066 Speaker 1: NFL Network. He's a guy that was a regular fixture 387 00:19:46,386 --> 00:19:49,626 Speaker 1: in Pro Bowl games and clearly never had an upset 388 00:19:49,626 --> 00:19:52,306 Speaker 1: stomach because he just didn't miss a single snap until 389 00:19:52,346 --> 00:19:55,866 Speaker 1: his eleventh and final season in the NFL. Add your 390 00:19:55,906 --> 00:19:58,186 Speaker 1: Conversation with Joe Thomas Coming up next on the NFL, 391 00:19:58,266 --> 00:20:01,826 Speaker 1: explained former offensive lineman for the Cleveland Browns, Joe Thomas, 392 00:20:01,946 --> 00:20:03,986 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna explain to you what I ate when 393 00:20:04,146 --> 00:20:11,346 Speaker 1: I played in the NFL. This podcast is sponsored by Kindrel. 394 00:20:11,866 --> 00:20:16,426 Speaker 1: Kindrel Designs builds, manages, and modernizes the mission critical technology 395 00:20:16,466 --> 00:20:19,666 Speaker 1: systems that the world depends on every day. 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Kindrel Designs builds, manages, and modernizes the 401 00:20:39,986 --> 00:20:43,666 Speaker 1: mission critical technology systems that the world depends on every day. 402 00:20:44,026 --> 00:20:46,786 Speaker 1: Working side by side with their customers, they imagine things 403 00:20:46,866 --> 00:20:51,146 Speaker 1: differently by forging new strategic partnerships, they unlock new possibilities, 404 00:20:51,346 --> 00:20:55,506 Speaker 1: creating a world power by healthy digital systems alive with opportunity, 405 00:20:55,506 --> 00:20:59,306 Speaker 1: oxygen to innovation and energy to change the world. Kindrel 406 00:20:59,426 --> 00:21:06,586 Speaker 1: the heart of progress. Here we go, Joe. When you 407 00:21:06,906 --> 00:21:10,626 Speaker 1: were drafted, you wait, what, I was three three or 408 00:21:10,666 --> 00:21:14,226 Speaker 1: five and you showed up to Cleveland and were they 409 00:21:14,266 --> 00:21:17,026 Speaker 1: happy with your playing weight? Yeah, overall they were happy 410 00:21:17,066 --> 00:21:19,386 Speaker 1: with the playing weight. They said, Hey, if you gain 411 00:21:19,426 --> 00:21:21,466 Speaker 1: a little bit of weight, it's okay, because most guys, 412 00:21:21,506 --> 00:21:23,546 Speaker 1: when you're in the NFL, they give you a maximum 413 00:21:23,586 --> 00:21:25,466 Speaker 1: weight and then if you go over they find you. 414 00:21:25,626 --> 00:21:27,146 Speaker 1: So a lot of guys were kind of in that 415 00:21:27,186 --> 00:21:29,746 Speaker 1: ballpark where they were trying to lose weight, whereas me, 416 00:21:30,146 --> 00:21:31,746 Speaker 1: I think the weight they gave me was like three 417 00:21:31,746 --> 00:21:34,186 Speaker 1: twenty and I was constantly weighing at like three. So 418 00:21:34,226 --> 00:21:36,426 Speaker 1: it was like the subtle like, hey, if you wanted 419 00:21:36,466 --> 00:21:38,106 Speaker 1: to get a little bit bigger, we wouldn't be mad 420 00:21:38,146 --> 00:21:40,386 Speaker 1: about it. Obviously, you don't want to lose your athleticism 421 00:21:40,386 --> 00:21:42,826 Speaker 1: and the quickness. But definitely it was always a battle. 422 00:21:42,906 --> 00:21:45,146 Speaker 1: Like if I came in after a practice and I 423 00:21:45,186 --> 00:21:48,426 Speaker 1: was like two nine two or two, the coach would 424 00:21:48,426 --> 00:21:50,466 Speaker 1: definitely mention it in a meeting in like a passive 425 00:21:50,466 --> 00:21:53,866 Speaker 1: aggressive manner like Tammas, what are you doing out there today, 426 00:21:53,866 --> 00:21:56,146 Speaker 1: you're only two ninety two. Make sure you're not missing 427 00:21:56,186 --> 00:21:58,106 Speaker 1: any one of those meals. And he's like he would 428 00:21:58,146 --> 00:22:00,906 Speaker 1: always have like some old man thing like make sure 429 00:22:00,946 --> 00:22:03,306 Speaker 1: you get some of that protein shake in your body 430 00:22:03,386 --> 00:22:06,426 Speaker 1: after you're done with the practice, and then like coach 431 00:22:06,626 --> 00:22:09,066 Speaker 1: like of protein shakes like two calories. I just burned 432 00:22:09,106 --> 00:22:12,386 Speaker 1: like seven thousand of your practice, So I think that's 433 00:22:12,426 --> 00:22:14,506 Speaker 1: kind of a drop in the bucket. So for you, Joe, 434 00:22:14,546 --> 00:22:17,266 Speaker 1: it was always an effort to actually keep the weight on. 435 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:20,586 Speaker 1: It was a struggle my entire career, probably until I 436 00:22:20,666 --> 00:22:24,426 Speaker 1: hit my thirties, as most people experienced, where I was 437 00:22:24,506 --> 00:22:27,826 Speaker 1: really battling, Like every day I was thinking about I 438 00:22:27,866 --> 00:22:30,026 Speaker 1: was stressing about it. Really, I was like two every 439 00:22:30,026 --> 00:22:32,906 Speaker 1: two hours. Got to get a big like heavy carb, 440 00:22:32,986 --> 00:22:36,106 Speaker 1: heavy sugar meal to be able to basically walk around 441 00:22:36,186 --> 00:22:38,106 Speaker 1: bloated so I could be over three so I could 442 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:40,786 Speaker 1: get my coach off. But did it affect the way 443 00:22:40,826 --> 00:22:43,306 Speaker 1: that you felt? Like? Could you sleep all right? Could 444 00:22:43,386 --> 00:22:45,786 Speaker 1: you move? Did you you know, in the off season, 445 00:22:45,826 --> 00:22:47,946 Speaker 1: if you didn't have to eat that way, did you 446 00:22:47,986 --> 00:22:49,906 Speaker 1: feel different than you did during the season when you 447 00:22:49,946 --> 00:22:52,626 Speaker 1: had to eat that way? No, I still had to 448 00:22:52,626 --> 00:22:55,426 Speaker 1: eat like that in the off season. So I was 449 00:22:55,626 --> 00:22:58,106 Speaker 1: eating like that constant. So I didn't know any different, 450 00:22:58,586 --> 00:23:01,266 Speaker 1: and it was a chore and a stressor. Like my 451 00:23:01,266 --> 00:23:03,346 Speaker 1: wife and I would go on vacation, we went to 452 00:23:03,946 --> 00:23:06,066 Speaker 1: Asia to visits and friends. One time was and we 453 00:23:06,106 --> 00:23:09,186 Speaker 1: went to like Tokyo and Hong Kong, Thailand, Cambodia. Was 454 00:23:09,186 --> 00:23:10,866 Speaker 1: an amazing trip right before we had kids. It was 455 00:23:10,906 --> 00:23:15,546 Speaker 1: like the two day tip of our life before kids. 456 00:23:15,906 --> 00:23:19,106 Speaker 1: But um, I remember I would get stressed out when 457 00:23:19,106 --> 00:23:20,666 Speaker 1: we'll be walking around the city because I knew I 458 00:23:20,746 --> 00:23:22,826 Speaker 1: was burning a lot of calories walking around. When you're 459 00:23:22,906 --> 00:23:26,546 Speaker 1: three ten and it's nineties something, you're burning calories just existing. 460 00:23:27,066 --> 00:23:29,746 Speaker 1: And so I remember stressing like every two hours a 461 00:23:29,786 --> 00:23:32,346 Speaker 1: big they've I gotta eat. And if you've ever been 462 00:23:32,346 --> 00:23:34,826 Speaker 1: to especially in Tokyo, it's a lot of fish. There's 463 00:23:34,866 --> 00:23:38,026 Speaker 1: not a lot of like really dense food places that 464 00:23:38,066 --> 00:23:40,346 Speaker 1: are fast and easy, and so i'd be like stressing out. 465 00:23:40,346 --> 00:23:42,986 Speaker 1: As soon as we walked past the McDonald's in Tokyo, 466 00:23:42,986 --> 00:23:44,386 Speaker 1: I'd be like, we have to stop. I need a 467 00:23:44,426 --> 00:23:47,586 Speaker 1: double cheese burger, I need a big back, let's go. 468 00:23:47,706 --> 00:23:50,186 Speaker 1: I need the galories because I was just like losing 469 00:23:50,666 --> 00:23:54,466 Speaker 1: weight eating sushio. Okay, so can you talk us through it? Yes, 470 00:23:54,506 --> 00:23:56,706 Speaker 1: So we'll go through like a typical Wednesday, because that's 471 00:23:56,746 --> 00:23:58,506 Speaker 1: kind of like the beginning of the NFL week. That's 472 00:23:58,546 --> 00:24:01,106 Speaker 1: your first day where you're really all coming in together 473 00:24:01,226 --> 00:24:03,386 Speaker 1: as a team, getting ready for your Sunday opponent. And 474 00:24:03,426 --> 00:24:05,546 Speaker 1: so for me, I would get into the building around 475 00:24:05,866 --> 00:24:08,226 Speaker 1: six thirty and then first thing in the morning, I 476 00:24:08,226 --> 00:24:10,706 Speaker 1: would have like a big bowl of oatmeal, and then 477 00:24:11,146 --> 00:24:14,426 Speaker 1: I would have yogurt, like a yogurt parfait, so yogurt, granola, 478 00:24:14,746 --> 00:24:18,506 Speaker 1: chia seeds. I'd put like flax seed protein in their berries, 479 00:24:18,746 --> 00:24:20,906 Speaker 1: and then I put honey on top because it's delicious 480 00:24:20,946 --> 00:24:23,706 Speaker 1: for one, but also because it was extra calories, right, 481 00:24:23,746 --> 00:24:25,946 Speaker 1: So I was always looking for ways to kind of 482 00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:28,546 Speaker 1: infuse more calories into my meal. And then a lot 483 00:24:28,586 --> 00:24:31,066 Speaker 1: of times if we didn't have practice for a little while, 484 00:24:31,106 --> 00:24:33,026 Speaker 1: I knew, Okay, I can also go over and I 485 00:24:33,026 --> 00:24:36,106 Speaker 1: can get pancakes, I can get scrambled eggs, I can 486 00:24:36,146 --> 00:24:39,266 Speaker 1: get some bacon because bacon's really calorie dents. And then 487 00:24:39,466 --> 00:24:42,506 Speaker 1: with the pancakes, i'd put peanut butter I'd smother them 488 00:24:42,506 --> 00:24:45,026 Speaker 1: in peanut butter, and then smother them in butter also 489 00:24:45,466 --> 00:24:48,906 Speaker 1: above that, and then tons and tons of syrup because 490 00:24:48,946 --> 00:24:51,986 Speaker 1: once again it's easy and cheap calories, and then I 491 00:24:52,026 --> 00:24:53,906 Speaker 1: had time to digest it, you know, if we came 492 00:24:53,946 --> 00:24:56,906 Speaker 1: in and we were practicing earlier in the day, because 493 00:24:57,186 --> 00:25:00,026 Speaker 1: sometimes during my career I had nine head coaches, so 494 00:25:00,106 --> 00:25:01,786 Speaker 1: we had a lot of different schedules. Sometimes if we 495 00:25:01,786 --> 00:25:05,866 Speaker 1: were practicing like around lunchtime or earlier or lifting, I 496 00:25:05,866 --> 00:25:08,306 Speaker 1: couldn't have as many calories early in the morning, and 497 00:25:08,346 --> 00:25:10,746 Speaker 1: then I had to shift, like some of my bigger 498 00:25:10,786 --> 00:25:13,946 Speaker 1: meals to like post practice, where I would be like pizza, 499 00:25:14,026 --> 00:25:18,826 Speaker 1: let's go, because pizza high carb, high fat, high protein. 500 00:25:18,986 --> 00:25:21,066 Speaker 1: And so there was this place called Jets Pizza and 501 00:25:21,146 --> 00:25:24,466 Speaker 1: Cleveland that we would order like after almost every practice, 502 00:25:24,626 --> 00:25:27,026 Speaker 1: and everyone was always astounded with how many pieces I 503 00:25:27,026 --> 00:25:29,906 Speaker 1: would eat, because even on days where I wouldn't practice, 504 00:25:29,986 --> 00:25:32,466 Speaker 1: I was like I had to have those calories, especially 505 00:25:32,586 --> 00:25:35,266 Speaker 1: right after a practice because I burned so much, and 506 00:25:35,306 --> 00:25:38,586 Speaker 1: then I so then back up right before practice, I 507 00:25:38,626 --> 00:25:41,186 Speaker 1: would still try to get like a hamburger or cheeseburger 508 00:25:41,546 --> 00:25:43,626 Speaker 1: in me, and then during practice, I would make sure 509 00:25:43,666 --> 00:25:45,226 Speaker 1: I was drinking a lot of gatorade because it's just 510 00:25:45,226 --> 00:25:47,186 Speaker 1: got a lot of sugar and it kind of helps 511 00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:50,466 Speaker 1: keep your energy up but also keeps those calories in 512 00:25:50,466 --> 00:25:52,946 Speaker 1: your system, so you're not burning through your fat reserves 513 00:25:53,226 --> 00:25:56,146 Speaker 1: during the practice and you're in a huge deficit once 514 00:25:56,186 --> 00:25:58,026 Speaker 1: you come out of practice, when I'm going to reach 515 00:25:58,026 --> 00:26:00,626 Speaker 1: for that pizza again. And then when you went home, 516 00:26:00,626 --> 00:26:03,786 Speaker 1: what would you eat? So my wife's favorite story. She 517 00:26:04,306 --> 00:26:07,066 Speaker 1: was the one that cooked every single meal in my 518 00:26:07,226 --> 00:26:09,346 Speaker 1: entire football career. I didn't even know how to boil water. 519 00:26:10,106 --> 00:26:11,826 Speaker 1: And so I would come home and we do to 520 00:26:11,906 --> 00:26:14,866 Speaker 1: get about six and she knew, like, hey, Joe's gonna 521 00:26:14,866 --> 00:26:17,026 Speaker 1: be hungry. He's got to eat. It's like his job, right, 522 00:26:17,106 --> 00:26:21,106 Speaker 1: So she would always have usually like a pasta or lasagna, 523 00:26:21,226 --> 00:26:24,226 Speaker 1: or like meatloaf and tons of mashed potatoes with gravy, 524 00:26:24,306 --> 00:26:27,146 Speaker 1: or like a lot of butter and sour cream and 525 00:26:27,186 --> 00:26:31,026 Speaker 1: like just pour on the fats. But one time she 526 00:26:31,186 --> 00:26:33,346 Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna try making a stir fry, 527 00:26:33,426 --> 00:26:35,666 Speaker 1: because you know, you can make a big stir fry 528 00:26:35,706 --> 00:26:38,426 Speaker 1: lots of vegetables, lots of rice, tons of stuff in it. 529 00:26:38,866 --> 00:26:40,466 Speaker 1: And she made it for me and it was really 530 00:26:40,506 --> 00:26:42,746 Speaker 1: good and I ate like two plates of it. But 531 00:26:42,826 --> 00:26:46,186 Speaker 1: then she noticed I was like really mad that, and 532 00:26:46,266 --> 00:26:47,826 Speaker 1: she was like, what's wrong? And I was like, well, honey, 533 00:26:47,866 --> 00:26:49,626 Speaker 1: your sturfry was really good, but it just didn't have 534 00:26:49,706 --> 00:26:53,026 Speaker 1: enough calories. And I'm probably gonna get in trouble tomorrow 535 00:26:53,106 --> 00:26:56,666 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna weigh in it like to and they're 536 00:26:56,666 --> 00:26:58,666 Speaker 1: gonna be like, what the hell is going on with Thomas. 537 00:26:58,906 --> 00:27:00,906 Speaker 1: This wasn't too much weight. We need to bulk up up. 538 00:27:01,226 --> 00:27:02,986 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize it didn't feel a couple of 539 00:27:03,026 --> 00:27:04,546 Speaker 1: years later, but she was like, that really hurt me. 540 00:27:04,586 --> 00:27:06,066 Speaker 1: Like I sipped a lot of time, had a lot 541 00:27:06,106 --> 00:27:08,466 Speaker 1: of thought. I like, making you this nice meal and 542 00:27:08,506 --> 00:27:14,106 Speaker 1: your only comment was it wasn't enough calories. Joe, did 543 00:27:14,146 --> 00:27:16,586 Speaker 1: she eat with you? She would, and she was like, 544 00:27:17,746 --> 00:27:19,106 Speaker 1: she was like, do you know how hard it is 545 00:27:19,386 --> 00:27:21,906 Speaker 1: for a woman to like sit there and watch you 546 00:27:22,026 --> 00:27:25,426 Speaker 1: eat four thousand calories at dinner and not eat with you, 547 00:27:25,866 --> 00:27:28,266 Speaker 1: like for every bite. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry, 548 00:27:28,386 --> 00:27:30,226 Speaker 1: I feel bad about that now. And I had said, 549 00:27:30,226 --> 00:27:31,626 Speaker 1: but I didn't know, you know, I just didn't know 550 00:27:31,666 --> 00:27:35,026 Speaker 1: any better. Because that had been my life for four 551 00:27:35,066 --> 00:27:37,946 Speaker 1: years in college and then for eleven years in the NFL. 552 00:27:38,346 --> 00:27:41,026 Speaker 1: But the thing before we get off that quick, the 553 00:27:41,066 --> 00:27:43,146 Speaker 1: thing that people always find the most amusing is what 554 00:27:43,186 --> 00:27:45,586 Speaker 1: I did before bed. So like during the day, I'm 555 00:27:45,586 --> 00:27:48,746 Speaker 1: eating all these calories, and then the only way I 556 00:27:48,746 --> 00:27:51,746 Speaker 1: could actually gain weight in season, because I was usually 557 00:27:52,106 --> 00:27:53,986 Speaker 1: trying to gain weight, especially the first half of the 558 00:27:54,026 --> 00:27:55,906 Speaker 1: season when it was it was hot, because you just 559 00:27:55,906 --> 00:27:58,066 Speaker 1: burned so many more calories at practice. Later in the 560 00:27:58,146 --> 00:28:01,466 Speaker 1: year in Cleveland, when I was fifty, it wasn't as 561 00:28:01,506 --> 00:28:05,186 Speaker 1: hard to gain what it's called outside. Everybody had that 562 00:28:05,426 --> 00:28:07,906 Speaker 1: winner jacket on with a nice layer of fat. But 563 00:28:08,466 --> 00:28:12,666 Speaker 1: before bed, I would buy a bunch of girls Scott Cookies. 564 00:28:12,706 --> 00:28:14,666 Speaker 1: And I was a big thin mint guy, and so 565 00:28:14,786 --> 00:28:17,546 Speaker 1: we would keep him in the freezer during the season, 566 00:28:17,826 --> 00:28:19,346 Speaker 1: and so I would go out with a sleeve of 567 00:28:19,426 --> 00:28:22,506 Speaker 1: thin mints, a glass of whole milk, and then I 568 00:28:22,546 --> 00:28:26,066 Speaker 1: would get a huge like bowl of ice cream, or 569 00:28:26,106 --> 00:28:28,906 Speaker 1: either just take the whole point upstairs of like Ben 570 00:28:28,906 --> 00:28:31,866 Speaker 1: and Jerry's or Mitchell's ice Cream, which is a famous 571 00:28:31,946 --> 00:28:36,666 Speaker 1: place in Cleveland, or Whoever's Custard, another famous place in Cleveland. 572 00:28:36,666 --> 00:28:39,346 Speaker 1: I bring the whole point with the giant like it 573 00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:41,946 Speaker 1: was probably a thirty two ounce whole milk and the 574 00:28:41,946 --> 00:28:43,946 Speaker 1: sleeve of thin mints, and we'd sit there and we'd 575 00:28:43,946 --> 00:28:47,986 Speaker 1: watch TV at night with my wife and it was glorious. 576 00:28:49,026 --> 00:28:50,986 Speaker 1: Would she eat any of the ice cream or the 577 00:28:51,026 --> 00:28:52,866 Speaker 1: sin mints? She would eat some of the ice cream, 578 00:28:52,906 --> 00:28:54,986 Speaker 1: but obviously her bowl was like two scoops and mine 579 00:28:55,066 --> 00:29:01,106 Speaker 1: was like or the whole court. Do you know how 580 00:29:01,146 --> 00:29:04,506 Speaker 1: many calories you consumed today when you were in the NFL. 581 00:29:04,906 --> 00:29:06,986 Speaker 1: I don't. And that was one of the things that 582 00:29:07,266 --> 00:29:10,026 Speaker 1: in hindsight, as I reflect back, I'm kind of mad 583 00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:12,426 Speaker 1: I didn't because at that point in my career, I 584 00:29:12,426 --> 00:29:14,506 Speaker 1: didn't know a lot about diet. I didn't know a 585 00:29:14,546 --> 00:29:17,066 Speaker 1: lot about nutrition and how it affected me. I just 586 00:29:17,146 --> 00:29:19,466 Speaker 1: knew that I needed to eat a lot, so I 587 00:29:19,506 --> 00:29:22,786 Speaker 1: needed a walk around feeling super full every meal. I 588 00:29:22,786 --> 00:29:25,786 Speaker 1: had to feel like I had just finished Thanksgiving dinner. 589 00:29:27,026 --> 00:29:29,066 Speaker 1: And I knew it had to be very very heavy 590 00:29:29,106 --> 00:29:31,306 Speaker 1: carbs or I was going to lose weight, Like I 591 00:29:31,346 --> 00:29:34,546 Speaker 1: couldn't do the vegetables and the proteins like it had 592 00:29:34,586 --> 00:29:37,186 Speaker 1: to have a lot of breads. Imposts like or just 593 00:29:37,266 --> 00:29:40,506 Speaker 1: straight sugar like that. Um, And I wish I would 594 00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:44,066 Speaker 1: have counted because now that I'm retired and I do 595 00:29:44,186 --> 00:29:46,466 Speaker 1: pay attention and I do understand that and nutrition a 596 00:29:46,506 --> 00:29:49,386 Speaker 1: lot more, I'm like, holy crap, I was probably at 597 00:29:49,426 --> 00:29:52,306 Speaker 1: like ten thousand calories a day easy, because like, right 598 00:29:52,346 --> 00:29:53,946 Speaker 1: now I could go out and have a good lunch 599 00:29:53,946 --> 00:29:56,946 Speaker 1: and feel like relatively full and it's like three thousand galleries. 600 00:29:57,306 --> 00:29:58,986 Speaker 1: So back then it had to be it had to 601 00:29:58,986 --> 00:30:01,786 Speaker 1: be ten thousand at least, right, So we hear about 602 00:30:01,906 --> 00:30:04,146 Speaker 1: coaches who you know, like are all about the specific 603 00:30:04,186 --> 00:30:07,266 Speaker 1: smoothies and what everyone's too taking in any of those 604 00:30:07,346 --> 00:30:11,226 Speaker 1: nine head coaches really very specific about nutrition. Most coaches 605 00:30:11,266 --> 00:30:13,786 Speaker 1: they don't really understand diet and nutrition that much, but 606 00:30:13,906 --> 00:30:16,666 Speaker 1: I think they understand that sports performance is important and 607 00:30:16,666 --> 00:30:19,586 Speaker 1: it is kind of a way to get an advantage, 608 00:30:19,626 --> 00:30:22,546 Speaker 1: and so those guys are now hiring really good nutritionists, 609 00:30:22,626 --> 00:30:25,466 Speaker 1: really good sports scientists that are bringing in that whole 610 00:30:25,506 --> 00:30:28,106 Speaker 1: side of it and then educating you. For the most part, 611 00:30:28,106 --> 00:30:30,786 Speaker 1: the coach just wants to see that your participation was 612 00:30:30,866 --> 00:30:33,266 Speaker 1: checked off on the attendance sheet he gets every day 613 00:30:33,266 --> 00:30:36,186 Speaker 1: from the weight room coach, and that you aren't getting 614 00:30:36,226 --> 00:30:38,626 Speaker 1: too heavy during the season. Like they got so much 615 00:30:38,626 --> 00:30:40,466 Speaker 1: other stuff to worry about during the season they don't 616 00:30:40,466 --> 00:30:42,346 Speaker 1: even really think about it. But I do think most 617 00:30:42,506 --> 00:30:45,386 Speaker 1: NFL teams now have a good sports science team that 618 00:30:45,386 --> 00:30:47,906 Speaker 1: has good nutritionists, and I think most players that have 619 00:30:48,026 --> 00:30:50,466 Speaker 1: come out of college recently are getting that education in 620 00:30:50,506 --> 00:30:53,946 Speaker 1: college because everybody finally understands how big and how important 621 00:30:54,026 --> 00:30:57,066 Speaker 1: nutrition and diet is for professional athletes. If you were 622 00:30:57,066 --> 00:30:59,386 Speaker 1: to have to pack on pans now, do you think 623 00:30:59,426 --> 00:31:01,586 Speaker 1: you'd do it differently? I probably would do it a 624 00:31:01,586 --> 00:31:03,986 Speaker 1: lot smarter with the things that I ate. I would 625 00:31:03,986 --> 00:31:06,146 Speaker 1: probably eat the same amount of calorie ease, but I 626 00:31:06,146 --> 00:31:08,706 Speaker 1: would do it with food that was maybe better and 627 00:31:08,786 --> 00:31:11,266 Speaker 1: would make me feel better, maybe a little less bloated, 628 00:31:11,346 --> 00:31:14,346 Speaker 1: maybe a little cleaner, maybe a little less processed foods, 629 00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:16,546 Speaker 1: probably a little less ice cream. But I still think 630 00:31:16,546 --> 00:31:18,026 Speaker 1: I probably would have a lot of ice cream too, 631 00:31:18,066 --> 00:31:21,506 Speaker 1: because it's delicious and it's high calories. Is there anything 632 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:23,946 Speaker 1: that you ate a ton of during your NFL career 633 00:31:23,946 --> 00:31:25,666 Speaker 1: that you just can't eat anymore? Like? Do you still 634 00:31:25,706 --> 00:31:28,386 Speaker 1: like pizza? Do you still like bacon? Love pizza? I 635 00:31:28,426 --> 00:31:30,106 Speaker 1: love it even more now and The thing is like 636 00:31:30,266 --> 00:31:32,026 Speaker 1: at the time, I didn't like it all that much. 637 00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:34,546 Speaker 1: It was it was good, don't get me wrong, but 638 00:31:34,706 --> 00:31:37,146 Speaker 1: I was eating it constantly, so I didn't appreciate it. 639 00:31:37,386 --> 00:31:39,586 Speaker 1: Now that I don't eat like crap all the time, 640 00:31:39,906 --> 00:31:42,186 Speaker 1: the times that I do, like kind of let myself 641 00:31:42,226 --> 00:31:44,746 Speaker 1: go and have some pizza and ice cream and you know, 642 00:31:44,786 --> 00:31:48,986 Speaker 1: treat yourself, right, I really appreciate it and I really 643 00:31:49,066 --> 00:31:52,346 Speaker 1: enjoy everybody. Do you ever have any teammates like a 644 00:31:52,346 --> 00:31:54,586 Speaker 1: wide receiver just to yell at you, like, why do 645 00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:58,226 Speaker 1: you get to eat that? And I, yeah, Well that's 646 00:31:58,266 --> 00:32:00,626 Speaker 1: the funny thing is. And I think this is the 647 00:32:00,666 --> 00:32:03,226 Speaker 1: reason why you see a lot of NFL linemen when 648 00:32:03,226 --> 00:32:06,146 Speaker 1: they retire, they get skinny because they've been fighting like 649 00:32:06,226 --> 00:32:08,826 Speaker 1: the diet in nutrition, I don't want to say battle, 650 00:32:08,826 --> 00:32:11,986 Speaker 1: but they've been paying attention during their career because it 651 00:32:12,026 --> 00:32:14,786 Speaker 1: was important. And we're not built like a receiver, like 652 00:32:14,866 --> 00:32:16,906 Speaker 1: genetically to be able to go out and run seven 653 00:32:16,946 --> 00:32:20,946 Speaker 1: miles on McDonald's breakfast, and a lot of the linemen 654 00:32:20,986 --> 00:32:23,026 Speaker 1: they have to think about it and they understand it, 655 00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:25,666 Speaker 1: and so when they retired they realized, hey, dropping some 656 00:32:25,706 --> 00:32:27,706 Speaker 1: weight is going to be healthy. For the long term. 657 00:32:28,066 --> 00:32:31,226 Speaker 1: Having a healthy lifestyle is going to help me feel 658 00:32:31,266 --> 00:32:34,506 Speaker 1: better when I retire. And receivers and skill players by 659 00:32:34,506 --> 00:32:36,946 Speaker 1: and large, because they're sprinting seven to ten miles in 660 00:32:36,986 --> 00:32:39,666 Speaker 1: a practice, they didn't have to think one bit about it. 661 00:32:39,786 --> 00:32:42,706 Speaker 1: And like Chad Johnson was famous, he ate McDonald's all 662 00:32:42,706 --> 00:32:44,866 Speaker 1: the time, Like every day he was going and getting 663 00:32:45,266 --> 00:32:48,706 Speaker 1: like McDonald's drive through for breakfast before practice, and that's 664 00:32:48,866 --> 00:32:51,586 Speaker 1: just what they knew. Like Hawk, my co host and 665 00:32:51,626 --> 00:32:54,866 Speaker 1: good friend on my podcast, he was mountain dew and 666 00:32:54,866 --> 00:32:57,186 Speaker 1: pizza like during the season, that's all he had. And 667 00:32:57,226 --> 00:32:59,666 Speaker 1: So when you retire, if you don't know anything about 668 00:32:59,706 --> 00:33:01,906 Speaker 1: diet in nutrition, you don't and you stopped running seven 669 00:33:01,906 --> 00:33:04,306 Speaker 1: to ten miles of sprints every day, all of a 670 00:33:04,346 --> 00:33:06,666 Speaker 1: sudden you start packing in those towns. And I think 671 00:33:06,746 --> 00:33:08,346 Speaker 1: I see a lot of those guys that first like 672 00:33:08,386 --> 00:33:10,666 Speaker 1: five or six years they retire, they gain a lot 673 00:33:10,706 --> 00:33:13,026 Speaker 1: of weight, and then all of a sudden it hits 674 00:33:13,066 --> 00:33:14,906 Speaker 1: in there like holy crap. One day they wake up 675 00:33:14,906 --> 00:33:17,626 Speaker 1: and they feel like garbage. They got no energy, and 676 00:33:17,626 --> 00:33:19,386 Speaker 1: they don't look like they used to when they were playing, 677 00:33:19,386 --> 00:33:20,986 Speaker 1: and they're all right, I need to learn about this. 678 00:33:21,026 --> 00:33:23,266 Speaker 1: I need to get serious. I need to start living 679 00:33:23,266 --> 00:33:27,306 Speaker 1: a healthier lifestyle and eating better. And it seems like 680 00:33:27,346 --> 00:33:29,146 Speaker 1: that's like in their forties. So you know what it 681 00:33:29,266 --> 00:33:31,986 Speaker 1: really is true, Joe, I'm thinking about it. Offensive linemen 682 00:33:32,066 --> 00:33:35,506 Speaker 1: get skinnier when they retire, and skill guys a lot 683 00:33:35,546 --> 00:33:39,266 Speaker 1: of them get a lot bigger. Okay, So you know, 684 00:33:39,306 --> 00:33:43,186 Speaker 1: we sort of had this uncertainty your final year until 685 00:33:43,426 --> 00:33:46,426 Speaker 1: free agency, until March that you announced yes you are 686 00:33:46,466 --> 00:33:49,866 Speaker 1: indeed retiring. Was there any withdrawal? Like you said when 687 00:33:49,866 --> 00:33:52,066 Speaker 1: you were in Asia, it was actually hard. It was 688 00:33:52,106 --> 00:33:54,866 Speaker 1: a chore to make sure you ate. But then when 689 00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:58,226 Speaker 1: you had trained your body to be hungry every two hours, 690 00:33:58,346 --> 00:34:01,146 Speaker 1: was it hard to not eat every two hours? So 691 00:34:01,186 --> 00:34:03,906 Speaker 1: that's I think one of the challenge and playing in 692 00:34:03,906 --> 00:34:06,906 Speaker 1: the NFL are playing football and having that mindset where 693 00:34:06,946 --> 00:34:09,026 Speaker 1: food stresses you out all the time because you have 694 00:34:09,066 --> 00:34:10,666 Speaker 1: to eat it, or on the other side of it, 695 00:34:10,706 --> 00:34:12,986 Speaker 1: if you're a bigger guy that's always trying to lose weight, Like, 696 00:34:13,026 --> 00:34:14,706 Speaker 1: if it's on your mind all the time, it's something 697 00:34:14,706 --> 00:34:17,786 Speaker 1: that you you kind of obsess over, And so teaching 698 00:34:17,826 --> 00:34:20,866 Speaker 1: myself to eat when I wasn't hungry was one of 699 00:34:20,906 --> 00:34:23,466 Speaker 1: the bad things that I wish I wouldn't have learned 700 00:34:23,466 --> 00:34:26,666 Speaker 1: when I played football, because now I have to consciously 701 00:34:26,706 --> 00:34:28,946 Speaker 1: think about after I'm done with the meal, like I 702 00:34:28,986 --> 00:34:31,346 Speaker 1: am full, I do not need to keep eating. I 703 00:34:31,346 --> 00:34:33,906 Speaker 1: should stop where everyone else is at the tables like, oh, 704 00:34:34,066 --> 00:34:36,746 Speaker 1: I'm stuff I can't have another bite, And I'm like, man, 705 00:34:36,906 --> 00:34:39,546 Speaker 1: I'm a little full, but I could honestly eat another pizza. 706 00:34:39,546 --> 00:34:42,586 Speaker 1: Should we order another pizza? Guys? And They're like, no, stop, 707 00:34:42,666 --> 00:34:44,626 Speaker 1: get up the walk away from the table. Is there 708 00:34:44,666 --> 00:34:46,906 Speaker 1: any part of the way that you had to eat 709 00:34:46,986 --> 00:34:49,346 Speaker 1: that you do miss? Yeah, So what I miss is 710 00:34:49,426 --> 00:34:51,026 Speaker 1: just not thinking about it. Like the only thing I 711 00:34:51,106 --> 00:34:53,426 Speaker 1: had to think about when I was playing in the 712 00:34:53,546 --> 00:34:56,746 Speaker 1: NFL was like I just have to be eating, and 713 00:34:56,986 --> 00:35:00,906 Speaker 1: I didn't think about like feeling full or anything like that. Now, obviously, 714 00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:03,466 Speaker 1: if you have to pay attention to what you're eating, 715 00:35:03,946 --> 00:35:07,986 Speaker 1: you me personally after my fifteen years of trying to 716 00:35:07,986 --> 00:35:10,546 Speaker 1: eat everything, I just have to have that consciousness about 717 00:35:10,546 --> 00:35:14,386 Speaker 1: what I'm eating and just slow down sometimes take a breath. Okay, 718 00:35:14,826 --> 00:35:16,946 Speaker 1: I don't need to go wake up and have breakfast 719 00:35:17,026 --> 00:35:20,186 Speaker 1: tomorrow morning after a huge meal tonight just kind of flipping. 720 00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:23,466 Speaker 1: That mindset has taken a conscious effort. It's still even 721 00:35:23,466 --> 00:35:26,386 Speaker 1: a few years out. It's just a consciousness that I 722 00:35:26,466 --> 00:35:28,786 Speaker 1: have to have about my food because, like I said, 723 00:35:28,826 --> 00:35:31,106 Speaker 1: I love to eat a lot. I'm a big foodie. 724 00:35:31,226 --> 00:35:34,266 Speaker 1: I feel food is such a great way to experience 725 00:35:34,306 --> 00:35:39,026 Speaker 1: friendships and conversations and new cities and travel. And so 726 00:35:39,266 --> 00:35:41,986 Speaker 1: because we have this amazing job of working for the 727 00:35:42,066 --> 00:35:44,346 Speaker 1: NFL and NFL Media as an analyst, we go to 728 00:35:44,346 --> 00:35:47,786 Speaker 1: all these amazing cities, all these amazing stadiums that now 729 00:35:47,826 --> 00:35:49,666 Speaker 1: food is so much a part of that experience, and 730 00:35:49,666 --> 00:35:51,186 Speaker 1: I always have fomo of like I don't want to 731 00:35:51,186 --> 00:35:53,186 Speaker 1: miss out, Like when's the next time I'm going to 732 00:35:53,266 --> 00:35:56,306 Speaker 1: be in Houston that Nancy's hustle and get to enjoy 733 00:35:56,666 --> 00:35:59,546 Speaker 1: their pancakes like Nancy's cakes, Like I gotta go and 734 00:35:59,586 --> 00:36:02,466 Speaker 1: have another round of it. What about the athlete that 735 00:36:02,506 --> 00:36:04,426 Speaker 1: you are right now, I mean you look like a 736 00:36:04,466 --> 00:36:06,906 Speaker 1: tight end, maybe a wide you were, Actually I think 737 00:36:06,906 --> 00:36:08,466 Speaker 1: you might look like a wide receiver more than a 738 00:36:08,506 --> 00:36:12,226 Speaker 1: tight end. Thank you. I try to stay lead, try 739 00:36:12,266 --> 00:36:15,426 Speaker 1: to for the health side of it, certainly for my knees. 740 00:36:15,466 --> 00:36:18,306 Speaker 1: Like I said, doctors like keep yourself, lean, your kneeds 741 00:36:18,306 --> 00:36:21,306 Speaker 1: will feel better. He's absolutely true. So feeling crappy when 742 00:36:21,346 --> 00:36:24,626 Speaker 1: you eat crappy is a big motivator to not do 743 00:36:24,706 --> 00:36:26,106 Speaker 1: it all the time. But do you think you have 744 00:36:26,146 --> 00:36:28,946 Speaker 1: more explosion now? Do you think that you're actually maybe 745 00:36:28,986 --> 00:36:32,106 Speaker 1: a little bit faster or more athletic? I can assure 746 00:36:32,146 --> 00:36:34,266 Speaker 1: you that I am not even a quarter of the 747 00:36:34,306 --> 00:36:36,266 Speaker 1: athlete of what I used to be because I just 748 00:36:36,306 --> 00:36:39,626 Speaker 1: don't train like that and I'm an old yogi that 749 00:36:39,786 --> 00:36:42,866 Speaker 1: goes very slowly through life. And I'm okay with that. 750 00:36:43,506 --> 00:36:46,706 Speaker 1: In that thousand calories syrup drink, was it like eggna? 751 00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:48,506 Speaker 1: Was it good? Or was it? It's kind of like 752 00:36:49,146 --> 00:36:50,786 Speaker 1: it was kind of gross because it was too thick. 753 00:36:50,906 --> 00:36:52,706 Speaker 1: It was, like I said, it was just cream with 754 00:36:52,826 --> 00:36:56,706 Speaker 1: basically like chocolate syrup, and so you definitely small powder. 755 00:36:56,986 --> 00:36:59,186 Speaker 1: I don't miss that at all, No that I missed 756 00:36:59,186 --> 00:37:01,546 Speaker 1: the ice cream. I don't miss that sirrup cream drink. 757 00:37:01,826 --> 00:37:04,746 Speaker 1: Was there another teammate that had to maintain weight as well? 758 00:37:04,786 --> 00:37:07,186 Speaker 1: That would do something even more over the top? And 759 00:37:07,226 --> 00:37:09,626 Speaker 1: we had a player Carlos Stansby in Cleveland. He was 760 00:37:09,666 --> 00:37:11,826 Speaker 1: a linebacker and played a bunch of years for the Cardinals. 761 00:37:12,226 --> 00:37:14,346 Speaker 1: We had him, and he sent his blood off to 762 00:37:14,746 --> 00:37:18,266 Speaker 1: this nutritionist in Florida who was going to give him 763 00:37:18,306 --> 00:37:20,066 Speaker 1: like the best things for him to eat for like 764 00:37:20,226 --> 00:37:23,786 Speaker 1: energy and recovery and performance. And I'll never forget because 765 00:37:23,906 --> 00:37:28,026 Speaker 1: he ate lobster mashed potatoes like that was what he 766 00:37:28,106 --> 00:37:31,266 Speaker 1: was supposed to eat from this doctor. And so that's 767 00:37:31,266 --> 00:37:34,586 Speaker 1: what he ate for like four meals a day every day. 768 00:37:34,626 --> 00:37:36,426 Speaker 1: So he would come into the locker room where he 769 00:37:36,426 --> 00:37:39,546 Speaker 1: would come into the cafeteria with this like pre made 770 00:37:39,946 --> 00:37:43,146 Speaker 1: big py Rex dish and it had lobster mashed potatoes 771 00:37:43,346 --> 00:37:45,666 Speaker 1: and he ate it for breakfast at eight am. And 772 00:37:45,666 --> 00:37:48,506 Speaker 1: then he would eat the same thing at lunch. After practice, 773 00:37:48,706 --> 00:37:50,706 Speaker 1: he would eat the same thing for dinner. And it 774 00:37:50,786 --> 00:37:53,626 Speaker 1: was amazing to me to think that some nutritionists thought 775 00:37:53,786 --> 00:37:55,466 Speaker 1: the best thing for your body would be the eat 776 00:37:55,626 --> 00:37:58,906 Speaker 1: the exact same thing for three or four meals every 777 00:37:58,946 --> 00:38:01,586 Speaker 1: single day. That actually doesn't sound fun. Can you imagine 778 00:38:01,626 --> 00:38:04,466 Speaker 1: how boring? Like one side dish of lobster mashed potatoes. 779 00:38:04,466 --> 00:38:06,746 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's good. The lifelook. It was great with 780 00:38:06,746 --> 00:38:17,066 Speaker 1: a steak, but after that, I'm good. Add awesome job 781 00:38:17,146 --> 00:38:19,586 Speaker 1: with Joe and super grateful for him for given us 782 00:38:19,586 --> 00:38:21,386 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes here. I don't know if I 783 00:38:21,426 --> 00:38:25,226 Speaker 1: am hungry or don't want a meal. Ever, again, a DD, 784 00:38:25,346 --> 00:38:26,906 Speaker 1: I couldn't get over there was one thing that you 785 00:38:26,986 --> 00:38:28,706 Speaker 1: had asked him about, and I thought the answer was 786 00:38:28,746 --> 00:38:30,306 Speaker 1: going to be an easy Yeah, of course I'm not 787 00:38:30,346 --> 00:38:32,426 Speaker 1: eating as much in the off season. But the fact 788 00:38:32,466 --> 00:38:35,586 Speaker 1: that Joe was still consuming food throughout the course of 789 00:38:35,626 --> 00:38:38,946 Speaker 1: the entire year, not football year, like the entire year 790 00:38:39,386 --> 00:38:42,986 Speaker 1: struck me as just really overwhelming. I mean that goes 791 00:38:43,066 --> 00:38:46,666 Speaker 1: to our whole previous episode about a player's work week 792 00:38:46,866 --> 00:38:50,626 Speaker 1: and work schedule. Well, it is indeed a twelve month job, 793 00:38:50,826 --> 00:38:53,106 Speaker 1: even though there are some folks that think it's not. 794 00:38:53,466 --> 00:38:55,746 Speaker 1: And the way he was talking about gorging on a 795 00:38:55,786 --> 00:38:58,186 Speaker 1: whole pizza every day, it was like that might be 796 00:38:58,306 --> 00:39:01,226 Speaker 1: the one thing, Yeah, that turns me off to pizza. 797 00:39:01,426 --> 00:39:03,906 Speaker 1: Pizza is one of my favorite foods though it really is. 798 00:39:04,106 --> 00:39:05,946 Speaker 1: And a D next time you and I are in 799 00:39:05,986 --> 00:39:08,186 Speaker 1: the Northeast together, I'm going to drag you to the 800 00:39:08,186 --> 00:39:11,266 Speaker 1: Boogie down Bronx. Here's a couple of pizzerias that by 801 00:39:11,306 --> 00:39:13,306 Speaker 1: the people talk about. Manhattan Pizza, No no no, No, the 802 00:39:13,346 --> 00:39:16,186 Speaker 1: best pizza is in the Bronx and it's not Brooklyn 803 00:39:16,226 --> 00:39:18,026 Speaker 1: for all the people in the b K saying that, 804 00:39:18,426 --> 00:39:20,786 Speaker 1: And I think the best pizza is actually in Jersey. 805 00:39:20,906 --> 00:39:24,786 Speaker 1: I really do. See Jersey does great bagels. And I 806 00:39:24,826 --> 00:39:26,906 Speaker 1: know where your brother lives, very close to where I 807 00:39:26,946 --> 00:39:29,066 Speaker 1: grew up, and there is a bagel shop that I 808 00:39:29,106 --> 00:39:30,746 Speaker 1: actually told you last time you were in New Jersey 809 00:39:30,746 --> 00:39:32,146 Speaker 1: you had to go to and I did and I 810 00:39:32,186 --> 00:39:34,106 Speaker 1: didn't make it. But you know, maybe we'll take Joe 811 00:39:34,106 --> 00:39:38,106 Speaker 1: Thomas there. If he eats carbs again, I would be 812 00:39:38,146 --> 00:39:40,066 Speaker 1: staying away. If that's the case. I'm trying to cut 813 00:39:40,106 --> 00:39:42,546 Speaker 1: my carb consumption in a big way, but add the 814 00:39:42,586 --> 00:39:44,946 Speaker 1: awesome job with Joe Thomas. Uh and by the way, 815 00:39:44,946 --> 00:39:46,466 Speaker 1: I just want to remind some folks too, we are 816 00:39:46,466 --> 00:39:49,506 Speaker 1: going to be doing a mail bag episode down the road. 817 00:39:49,546 --> 00:39:51,666 Speaker 1: A d D. You have gotten some questions on social media, 818 00:39:51,746 --> 00:39:55,026 Speaker 1: as have I, so do encourage everyone. You can tweet 819 00:39:55,066 --> 00:39:58,146 Speaker 1: at us at Mike Underscore, Yam at a King Kawaala, 820 00:39:58,426 --> 00:40:01,026 Speaker 1: make sure you follow us wherever you get your podcast 821 00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:04,626 Speaker 1: with fire off those questions. We're putting them together. Uh DD. 822 00:40:04,746 --> 00:40:06,906 Speaker 1: I have a document with some great questions. You and 823 00:40:06,906 --> 00:40:09,106 Speaker 1: I will go rapid fire. I know you've been adding 824 00:40:09,146 --> 00:40:11,746 Speaker 1: to that document as well, so keep the questions coming. 825 00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:14,186 Speaker 1: We will get to some of those answers. Uh, and 826 00:40:14,306 --> 00:40:16,706 Speaker 1: don't forget give us a rating and a review. And 827 00:40:16,826 --> 00:40:18,426 Speaker 1: now it's having me to go and get my stack. 828 00:40:19,586 --> 00:40:22,506 Speaker 1: It's always fun, Mike, but never never hold off on 829 00:40:22,546 --> 00:40:31,346 Speaker 1: the snack. That's for sure. Brought to you by up work, 830 00:40:31,506 --> 00:40:33,866 Speaker 1: where you can build a team that will build your business. 831 00:40:34,146 --> 00:40:37,826 Speaker 1: Learn more at upwork dot com. 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