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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly

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Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small

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Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy hard and Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or

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Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website

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Speaker 1: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you

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Speaker 1: love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is

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Speaker 1: not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with

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Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me for the special bonus episode of the

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Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. We'll get right into our

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Speaker 1: conversation afterword from our sponsors. In this episode, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by our incredible production team for a fun and insightful

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Speaker 1: conversation about some of the pop culture moments that have

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Speaker 1: been giving us life lately. We're diving into Beyonce's Cowboy

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Speaker 1: Carter tour and what it means for how we understand

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Speaker 1: black womanhood and creativity, unpacking the emotional and spiritual layers

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Speaker 1: of the film centers, and reflecting on the quiet power

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Speaker 1: of the Netflix series Forever. These stories are rich, complex

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Speaker 1: and so reflective of the many ways we show up

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Speaker 1: in the world, and I'm excited for you to hear

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Speaker 1: this conversation. As always, it's about more than what we're watching.

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Speaker 1: It's about how it makes us feel, what it stirs up,

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Speaker 1: and what it says about us as a community. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen and let us know what resonates with you most.

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Speaker 1: Here's our conversation. Well, we are back with another fan

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Speaker 1: favorite producer, pop Culture Chat. It is time for us

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Speaker 1: to catch up on all the things we have been watching,

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Speaker 1: paying attention to lots going on that we have not

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Speaker 1: very excited for another conversation here. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: a new team member since our last producer Ketchup, so

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Speaker 1: we will start with you in day if you want

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Speaker 1: to introduce yourself and tell them what you do here

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Speaker 1: at Therapy for Black Girls.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited to be here. I'm in day Chubou, I'm.

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Speaker 3: From Atlanta, I'm a new producer on the podcast team,

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Speaker 3: and i feel like I'm in great company, so I'm

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Speaker 3: happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I am also a producer for TVG and TBGU.

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Speaker 5: And always enjoy talking yapping about pop culture. That's what

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Speaker 3: And Elise, Hey everyone, my name's Elise. I'm the senior

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Speaker 3: produce of the podcast fun Fact. This month marks five

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Speaker 3: years at TVGI. Wow, I know, I know, I know,

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Speaker 2: So that's very exciting.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, happy to be here with doctor Joy, with Enday,

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Speaker 3: with Tyree, with the gang as you call us, and

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Speaker 3: the three of us were the hater circle, but I'm

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Speaker 3: here to hate today.

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Speaker 2: We're here to show some love to some of.

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Speaker 3: Our favorite movies, TV shows, things we've been tuned into

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Speaker 3: in pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love that. Well, happy five year anniversary.

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Speaker 1: It definitely doesn't feel like it has been that long,

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Speaker 1: but I love that you have been here this long.

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Speaker 1: Always enjoy our conversations. So we're going to start with

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Speaker 1: something that is a little bit like kind of not

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Speaker 1: Sinners was the movie that came out earlier this year

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Speaker 1: that many of the producers have seen multiple times. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will let y'all know, I've only seen it once.

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Speaker 1: I will likely watch it again when it comes to streaming.

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Speaker 1: But the producers were very excited. They were very aggravated

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Speaker 2: I've seen it three times. I saw it regular, just basic.

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Speaker 3: I saw it in Imax, and then I saw it

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Speaker 3: in Imax seventy millimeter thankfully God's favorite. And I just

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Speaker 2: And I would see it again. What about you?

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Speaker 5: Like you, doctor Joy, I only saw it the one

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Speaker 5: And I love this film, but going to the movies

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Speaker 4: I really, I'm talkies.

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Speaker 3: We just I feel like we need to restore the

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Speaker 3: And it's also it was funny seeing it in Atlanta

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Speaker 3: Point about the movies, it's a very exciting experience.

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Speaker 3: But even if you do, because you know that, okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't find it to be a recession indicator. I

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Speaker 3: think Doctor Joy just did an episode about solo dates.

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Speaker 3: I'm very much pro seeing movies multiple times or just

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Speaker 1: of you to be so excited about this thing, that's like,

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Speaker 1: That video he did, I don't even know what it

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Speaker 1: broke down like his vision and why the different film

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that that's a thing that's stick

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Speaker 3: I think you can tell that Ryan Coogler is like

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Speaker 2: And I think that's like not only like in like.

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Speaker 2: About the film buff community that.

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Speaker 3: Can feel a little exclusive and it's just like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: you don't get it, Like you wouldn't get why.

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Speaker 2: You need to see it in seventy millimeter, like you

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Speaker 2: And people are like, oh, it is cool. Whoever pitched that,

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Speaker 3: That whole team, Like, I hope they're really getting their

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Speaker 3: Shout out to you know, my fellow trojan USCLM, Ryan

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Speaker 3: Kugler and his composer Ludwig. But I agree with what

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Speaker 5: going on into the film. But even if you don't

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00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 5: like it, I think it's impossible to not have a

441
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 5: visceral reaction to it. And I think that's what makes

442
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 5: like something really art, where like you can't really see

443
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 5: the scene and thing Matt, you either like really love

444
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 5: it or you're confused and it jars you.

445
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: So I thought it was effective either way.

446
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I loved it.

447
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 3: Like Sarry said, I think, yeah, you're going to react

448
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 3: to it, but like to not be like this is insane.

449
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 3: Like I think, like when I was watching it the

450
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 3: first time, I was to think about telling the story

451
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 3: in this way, how do we even land here?

452
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: And I started thinking about like.

453
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 3: How you put that on paper, Like how do you

454
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: write this on a script to then translate to screen.

455
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 3: Like obviously Ryan wrote and directed the movie, so there

456
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: was less translation that needed to happen there. But I

457
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: think that is when it comes to like storytelling. That

458
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: is like peak storytelling for me, And I feel like

459
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: I could watch that scene over and over you just

460
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: like learn so much and without saying anything, pays respects

461
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: to just like the legacy of black music, and then

462
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: even incorporating the Chinese characters who had on their like

463
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 3: traditional garb, Like I think there were so many kind

464
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: of historical threats pulled together and just like put into

465
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: beautiful display. Like I am a part of the hater circle,

466
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 3: but I have zero hate for that. See, I'm gonna

467
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: have to agree, I have zero hate for that scene.

468
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: And I think there are a lot of discussions around

469
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 3: people ask this big question like what is black culture,

470
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 3: especially as like America isn't our homeland for argument, And

471
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 3: I think that scene is really perfect in showing the

472
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: connection between being of African descent but also what that means,

473
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: you know, on like quote unquote American soil and so

474
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: to like honor the black and African music tradition that way.

475
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 3: I thought that was really special and I do think

476
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: sometimes it brings up uncomfortable feelings for people, especially it

477
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: fere like come from a very like Christian background of

478
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: a lot of the things we know are rooted in

479
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: African spiritual traditions are a lot of the ways we

480
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: show up, whether it's in music or you know, even

481
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: when you go into your grandma's house and see like

482
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: twelve photos of all these ancestors who have passed away

483
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: or your grandma, like that is an altar, and so

484
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: I like how the film really played with that, and

485
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: that scene was such an amazing showcase of it, and

486
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: it was just really fun. I really would love to

487
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: hear more about whether it was like CGI or everything

488
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 3: that was used to incorporate the actors who are in

489
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: the juke joint, but then also the women talking and

490
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: the ballerinas and all of those things. I thought visually

491
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: that was very interesting, So I'm interested in the technical

492
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: part behind that too.

493
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: So the other scene that I think there was lots

494
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: of conversation and controversy around is when the vampires are

495
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: let into the juke joint and we see Grace is

496
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: the character who allow them into the juke joint, and

497
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: so what were your thoughts around her inviting the vampires in.

498
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 5: I feel like everybody else, everybody else needed to lock

499
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 5: in with her, like she had it done, like we're

500
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 5: just gonna wait until the daytime. No, it's business time.

501
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 5: Let's get it, let's get this together. I also feel

502
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 5: like she lost more than everybody else.

503
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: She did it, and she went for her husband first.

504
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: She was in a way trying to save him.

505
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: But to my knowledge, like I don't know if anyone

506
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 3: else had children on planet Earth, you know.

507
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: And so again I was just talking to some friends

508
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: about this, I'm like, I get it.

509
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: Like she was like, Okay, they're just going to kill

510
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: more people, So come on, we prepare, grab your stakes,

511
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: your shanks, and let's get to work. Like obviously i'd

512
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 3: be like, oh my god, like can we get another hour?

513
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: Like can we just we can't survive the night? But

514
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: it was bound to happen anyways. It was bound to happen.

515
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: And I think what people forget or not even forget

516
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: if you're not.

517
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: Up to date on your life, vampire stories.

518
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: They are very enticing, like it's not a rational decision,

519
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: it's an emotional one. And so when Remnick was speaking Chinese,

520
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 3: those are the things that vampires do to pull at

521
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: you to invite them in or to give up and

522
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: become one, And.

523
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: So I think people, I think, are trying.

524
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 3: To make it like a race based decision when vampires

525
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: are supernatural beings that are known for being conniving and convincing.

526
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: So I was kind of like, yeah, this was going

527
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: to happen anyway to someone eventually.

528
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: So I wasn't mad at her. I wasn't mad at her.

529
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: I think after the conversations everyone that you've joined were

530
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: having was like you either if you're one of them,

531
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: you cannot join back with like the ancestors, like you

532
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: really won't go into the afterlife. And so also knowing

533
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: that your loved one is out there in that reality,

534
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 3: what would you do, especially if you're a spiritual person

535
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: And they don't touch on this directly in the film.

536
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: A little bit they do, but like, of course being

537
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: of Chinese descent, you are a very spiritual person.

538
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: And they even talked about.

539
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: How only having red paint to write the Duke Joint

540
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: sign red writing has a lot of meetings, so those

541
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: themes were wrapped.

542
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 2: Up in there. So I wasn't mad at her.

543
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 3: I was like, girl, you gotta do what you gotta do,

544
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: because I don't know how I would react if a

545
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: vampire started giving my home address. I would be like, okay,

546
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: let's take thirty seconds to just figure out a plan.

547
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: Which they had a plan, like you said, Tyree, but

548
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: the way.

549
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: She did, I'm like, okay, give us a bit of

550
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: a warning for like a little bit.

551
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 5: I really wish that we got like a post credit

552
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 5: scene that explained what happens to the daughter now because

553
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 5: her parents dead and she is the only Chinese girl

554
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 5: in Mississippi with two stores to ruin. That is the

555
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 5: story that I need to know about Preacher boy. It

556
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 5: made sense then, a little mischild, I do want to know.

557
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lisa, what's her name?

558
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: Lisa?

559
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, you know, you make an excellent

560
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: point at Lisa. And again I don't think that I

561
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: knew like exactly what I was walking into with Sinners right,

562
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: Like it definitely felt like Okay, I want to go

563
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: see like what the hype is about, and I want

564
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: to support the cast and Ryan. But I was not

565
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: up on vampire lore because it is not something I'm

566
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: typically drawn to. Like I was one of those people

567
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: online talking about like, Okay, how scary is this is

568
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: this really gonna be something I can tolerate? And so

569
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: it would not be like if it were build more

570
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: as a vampire movie, it probably would not have been

571
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: something I would have seen. And so there was a

572
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: lot of that like vampire context which I found out afterwards,

573
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: right like around like the inviting them in like context

574
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: clues led me to understand it a little bit in

575
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: the film, but not until afterwards when I came home

576
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: and read about it, I was like, Oh, this is why,

577
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: like they needed to be invited in. So you make

578
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: a great point that if you are not in that

579
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: genre and understand like how vampires work, then I think

580
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: a lot was missed.

581
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: So why see it a second time?

582
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: And I will when it is dreaming? So Tarry, you

583
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: bring up an excellent point in terms of thinking about like, Okay,

584
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: what happens next? Right, like what is Lisa's story? And

585
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: there is conversation around like are we going to get

586
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: like a center cinematic universe?

587
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: Right?

588
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: Did this leave the door open for other films I've

589
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: seen people talk about loving would love to see like

590
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Smoking Stack in Chicago? What happened? Are we gonna get

591
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: a prequel? Like do you think there will be more

592
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Ciners films or is this like a one and done

593
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

594
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: I can't speak to if there will be more, but

595
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: I can't speak to if I think we need them.

596
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: I just am gonna say no.

597
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: Like, I just think that sometimes expanding like wait, this

598
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: like idea of making things into a universe or like

599
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: making things into a world. I mean, the movie in

600
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: itself has built its own world, but I think sometimes

601
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: it's nice to just let.

602
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: That story be that story.

603
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: And like the idea of like franchising everything.

604
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: Don't let me get into my capitalism back, but.

605
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: You know, like just the idea of like trying to like, Okay,

606
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: this was successful, how can we let's make five more.

607
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm like the story.

608
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: I think the story was great, and I kind of

609
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: like the idea of if you're reading a book, like

610
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: you'll never really know what those people look like, what

611
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: they wear. And I like the idea of like something

612
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: being left to the imagination of the story, you know,

613
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: And I think that's like kind of part of storytelling,

614
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: like letting people kind of participate in their own way.

615
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: So if there are more readings, I will be watching,

616
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: but I'm not asking for it.

617
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: And day you took all of the words right out

618
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: in my mouth because I was going to get on

619
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: my capitalism soapbox, where I don't think that is always necessary.

620
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: And I do think whether you're a reader or a viewer,

621
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: it does let you sit with your own imagination a

622
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: little bit more. And I think that is.

623
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: What is like beautiful about films. It's like, this is

624
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: the story I decided to tell you. Now, once you

625
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: leave this theater, once you put the book down, return

626
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: into the library, whatever you go on, and let that

627
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: inform you know what you think beyond your life. And

628
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: so I think I really did like that. It did

629
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: feel like a complete story.

630
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't think there were anything, any holes, anything missing.

631
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: And I like when media allows me to just sit

632
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: with it and it doesn't kind of force me to

633
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: continue to follow the story, like it is contained within

634
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: itself and it says, this is what I gave you,

635
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: this is it, and now I'm going to go.

636
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: So I appreciate it.

637
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 5: I don't think that we're going to get a sequel

638
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: or that we need it, but I do think that

639
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: sinners already exist in a cinematic universe. I think that

640
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 5: Sinner's life and oh, brother, where art thou all are

641
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 5: the same?

642
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: Like universe? And yes that's my thought.

643
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it.

644
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 5: I mean, granted they all are just to those other

645
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 5: movies amazing sound tricks.

646
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: I've also had a great sound on track did.

647
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: Life?

648
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: You've also had a great soundtrack.

649
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: So I do love what I mean really like we

650
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: really got to start like looking back into a lot

651
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: of these movies. And that's the thing you're so right, Tarry,

652
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: Like the amount of time just in life, Like I've

653
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: been with friends and someone says something and that everybody

654
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: just kind of turns it into us all, like those

655
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: musical moments happen in our life so much, which is

656
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: why like initially I was like, oh, this is a

657
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: music I was just like, this is a movie with music,

658
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: Like obviously black people are going to make music whenever

659
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: they can, you know.

660
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: So moving on to another thing that I don't know

661
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: that we talked about this as much as a team,

662
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: so I can't say you was universally loved, but definitely

663
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: to show that I love that I have talked about

664
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: online is like the best thing I have watched in

665
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: a very long time was Forever on Netflix.

666
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so has.

667
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: Everybody watched it. You all have watched it.

668
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Okay, So what did you go into it expecting?

669
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: So I read the book Forever when I was younger,

670
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: and so I hoped, in just reading the book Noe

671
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: mar brock al kill out that it would incorporate sex

672
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: and like the adolescent experience in a very smart.

673
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: And layered way. So I really did.

674
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: Now that it's out and people i've seen it, I

675
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: think there is a lot of chatter about Keisha being promiscuous.

676
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: Not that I agree with that, but if you read

677
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: the original text, it challenges your thinking about that. So

678
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: I definitely did expect that. Honestly, I will say that

679
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: was probably it thematically, like just reading the original Forever,

680
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: like that's a big portion or the biggest portion of

681
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: the book is like, how are teenagers exploring sex and

682
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: romantic relationships? Less about like help because most times like

683
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: they're doing it in a smart way, but more about

684
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: like the emotional complication and also liking someone, but know

685
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: when you're so young. And so those are the themes

686
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: that I expected. Now we got a whole lot more

687
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: than I enjoyed. But that's kind of how I came.

688
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: To the series. I had not read Forever previously.

689
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: I saw a tweet that was like, I was not

690
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: reading Judy Bloom, I was reading Judy Beach Jones.

691
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 4: Was I was.

692
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: Definitely reading Judy be Jones. I think that was like

693
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: when I was a little bit younger. But I didn't

694
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: even know about this book, to be honest, and so

695
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: my first experience with it is through the lens of

696
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: Mark Brakikhel.

697
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 5: I was concerned because it is so much about like

698
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 5: a sexual relationship and it's like a time period thing,

699
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 5: and I was like, ooh, but black girls are not

700
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 5: going to be afforded the luxury to explore sexuality on

701
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: screen and like, have it be received well. I've never

702
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 5: seen a project that did it. There was this film,

703
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 5: Just Another Girl in the Irt, and it deals with

704
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 5: like teen pregnancy, but it's always very after school special

705
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 5: and not really like this is an autonomous human experience

706
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: that's linked to several emotions and not that I worried

707
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 5: about Marl brocka Kill's ability to handle the text and

708
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: the subtext. I was just not sure how black media

709
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 5: would cover it. And I'm really happy that it's being,

710
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 5: you know, received well, because I feel like it is

711
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 5: a great show for young kids, and like, we don't

712
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 5: have a lot of teen media currently, but also it's

713
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 5: like a it's an inner child healing series, Like I

714
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 5: think that adults are watching this, and it's like, oh,

715
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 5: I actually didn't get to.

716
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: Experience anything like this. To see this as a kid.

717
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 5: The closest maybe was like what Moesha and that is

718
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 5: actually traumatizing cinema.

719
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: So I was really happy with how it turned out.

720
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: I also had not read the book before and didn't

721
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: really know again what all it was going to be about,

722
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: though the previews I think showed me a little bit.

723
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: And like you, Tyrie, anything that has like Black Girls,

724
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: where there's a potential for a black girl to be

725
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: talked about as fast or you know, like as if

726
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: she is the only one exploring her sexuality, not her partners,

727
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: right like the male partners. It definitely had the potential goals.

728
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 4: Left.

729
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: But I trust no one better than Marl Brokakiel with

730
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: a story about black girls, black women, because it feels

731
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: like it fits perfectly with like the world she has

732
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: created in terms of girlfriends and love is and like

733
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: all of these things, and so I just really loved it,

734
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: and I have also been shocked by like the ways

735
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: that people have been so emotional I think about watching

736
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: the series. I think it really has into people's experiences

737
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: of like your first love and like the one that

738
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: got away maybe, but also like with the parenting, you know,

739
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: so I feel like there was something for everybody, which

740
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: was very, very surprising, And I, again, like you, Tyrie,

741
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: have been really pleased with like the ways that the conversations,

742
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: especially around Keisha, the black girl character there have been portrayed,

743
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: especially by black men, and now definitely individuals have had

744
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: strong reactions to her right, and I think that really

745
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: taps into, like you men, like the ways we were

746
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: not given grace maybe for mistakes we made, and so

747
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to see her being given grace. But I

748
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: think overall the reception to her has been positive, so

749
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: at least I want to ask this next question to

750
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: you to start with, because I feel like Forever Now

751
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: falls in the genre of you know, we've talked I

752
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: think on the podcast around like what do teens have

753
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: in terms of media? Right, Like, it feels like there's

754
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: a lot missing in terms of like what are they watching?

755
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: Are they watching Gracy's Corner, or are they watching you know,

756
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: like Beyond the Gates right, like there is not necessarily

757
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: like a genre just for them, and so it feels

758
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: like it fits into like the all American category, which

759
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: I know you have had some strong feelings about I loved,

760
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: but you also were like, I don't really know about it.

761
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: So what do you think about like Forever kind of

762
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: joining that canon and maybe your thoughts about like the

763
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: differences between Forever versus like an all American.

764
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: Forever was great. I will say I did not bit

765
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: all American. All Amica is just it's on the CW.

766
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: You know what you're gonna get. There is a level

767
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: of corniness. It's of the gossip.

768
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: Girl tradition, so you know, we'll leave that there. So

769
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: then you have Netflix, so you have a higher production budget, you.

770
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: Have a director and showrunner who is known for telling

771
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: like black stories, but black stories about relationships and then

772
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 3: about younger people, and so I do think coming into

773
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: that you're getting something that's just.

774
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: Like a little more layered and a little less cliche

775
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: when it.

776
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: Comes to the high school experience especially, I think the

777
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: two things were, you know, the sex element of it,

778
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: but then also the learning disability element of that too,

779
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: and the class element. Something that all American I think

780
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: was interesting to me was there was this very stark

781
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 3: class divide in the show.

782
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: You still get that in.

783
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: Forever, but I think it's more layered than it. It

784
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: wasn't American, so I think it was a great teen

785
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: show in general. And another thing Terry you mentioned, Mosha,

786
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: we don't see black girls date on TV a lot,

787
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 3: and it's not like you should get your dating advice

788
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: from television. But I do think a lot of younger

789
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 3: Black girls, like late middle school throughout high school, don't

790
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: know how to navigate that. It's not something that at

791
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: times you're really open with your parents or maybe you

792
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: have an older sister and you can be.

793
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 2: So having that as.

794
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: A model I think is good because there are obviously

795
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: poor or like.

796
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: Ill informed decisions everyone in the show makes. But then

797
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: I think the show is really.

798
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: Good at being prescriptive of this is how you navigate

799
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 3: x YZ thing, or this is how you should navigate

800
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: x y Z thing, And so I'm.

801
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: Very happy that the show exists.

802
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: It's not salacious in my secret life of an American

803
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: teenager way where it's like I don't know if I

804
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: want my child watching that, Like, I think this is

805
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: something that you could watch and you would come away

806
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: with an understanding of this is how maybe my first

807
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: time should feel, This is how my partner should treat me,

808
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: This is how I can make decisions about my.

809
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: Life and going to college.

810
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: Ooh, these are the conversations that people are having about sex,

811
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: about boys or girls or whoever with their friends and

812
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: seeing that as a point of introspection. So I think

813
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: it was amazing and I think All American has all

814
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 3: of those things too.

815
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: It's just a CW show, a CW show, tam for sure. Tim. Yeah, yeah,

816
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: I feel like I was nervous. First of all. I'll

817
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: say I love love you Simone.

818
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: I've loved her since Greenley Sale in the spades, Like

819
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: I think she's a great actress and I want to

820
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: see her and more stuff because it is like.

821
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: A teen show about like teen love.

822
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: I was nervous because of shows like All American, which

823
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: I did watch, but it kind of is like watching

824
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: a train crash, but you just want to keep watching.

825
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: I was talking to my little sister, who's very much

826
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: gins and she loves All American.

827
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: And I was like, do you like forever? She's like

828
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: it was okay.

829
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: And I think also because it was like like she

830
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: enjoyed it, but I think it was like set in

831
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: a time that's just unfathomable.

832
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: To her, Like she was like early two thousands. I

833
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: was like, it is not in the early two thousands.

834
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: Don't say that. I was like like twenty tens okay.

835
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: But I think like when it comes to how conflict

836
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: is displayed in like a CW show, it's very like

837
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: A plus the equal C and I think in Forever

838
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: it was a lot more nuanced and allowed you to

839
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: be like if I was in that situation, I really

840
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: don't know what I would do. I think it's easier

841
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: in like a CW show. Sorry no, no shade to them,

842
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: but to be like who would do that?

843
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: In real life? You know, like that doesn't.

844
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: Feel like a real response, or you know, it doesn't

845
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 3: totally feel realistic.

846
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: But in Forever, I was like, yeah, maybe I would

847
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: have blocked. Maybe I would have you know, or like

848
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: maybe it would have.

849
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: Been really tough for me in that moment to express

850
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: my feelings rather than kind of fading to black for

851
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: a week. And even now, like in my early thirties,

852
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: those are like watching those things still made me kind

853
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: of check in with myself and be like, you know,

854
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: is that something that you know thinking about the times

855
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: where I have done those things fail to communicate and

856
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: just like experiencing caring about someone so much in a

857
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: way where you're like, I've never been through this before

858
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: and I don't really know how to express it all

859
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: the time. And so I think that's why a lot

860
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: of people outside of teenagers early twenty year olds like

861
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: really enjoyed it, because you see parts of like yourself

862
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: and parts of like how you can navigate dating even now,

863
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: in a way that just feels realistic.

864
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 5: I was a Secret Life of the American Teenager fan.

865
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 5: I was watching that show down. That is the one

866
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 5: time I've respected Shalene Woodley. But I think and that

867
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 5: you bring up a good point about one it being

868
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: a period piece, it being the twenty tens. You know,

869
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 5: you and I were doing our adolescent dating in twenty tens,

870
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 5: and it was.

871
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: Like it was somatic therapy, it was memory work.

872
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 5: I was watching this now, grants it, I ain't never

873
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 5: blocked nobody in my life, and I think that the

874
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 5: blocking was excessive in this series. But it was interesting

875
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 5: to kind of see like that. I talk about this

876
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 5: a lot. There's like a Bluey to Baddies pipeline for children,

877
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 5: there really is. There's no you know, there's no Yeah,

878
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 5: they're gone. Are the days of Christian Anderson, the Grim Brothers.

879
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 5: They're not there no more. So really the kids are

880
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 5: getting their mores from TV and Twitter. So I love

881
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 5: that they have these sort of case studies, Like even

882
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 5: if your sister thinks like this period is unrealistic, I

883
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 5: don't know that I thought that Degrassi was the most

884
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: realistic thing, but it did help me navigate.

885
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 4: Some conversations around sex as a teenager.

886
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: Totally.

887
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. My husband and I watched this together, and so

888
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: I think that we saw a lot of ourselves in

889
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: like the parents Justin's parents, and we have boys, right,

890
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: and so I definitely think I was thinking about and

891
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm also like reacting to like people having very strong

892
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: reactions to Dawn because I feel like I see a

893
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: lot of myself and Dawn as a parent. Like, of

894
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: course that's the decision we're making, like what are you

895
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: talking about? But I do think it is helping me

896
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: think about like, Okay, what kinds of conversations do I

897
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: want to have with my kids, right, and I could

898
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: see like using Forever and like watching that together when

899
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: they're a little older and thinking about, Okay, how do

900
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: we talk about this. I have also heard from the

901
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: whatever gin we are in that the blocking does not

902
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: feel accessive to them, like that this is actually how

903
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: they are blocking people, right, like any little transgression ends

904
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: up with your hitting gloves on, which I think is hilarious.

905
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: I will say when it comes to the parents, like,

906
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: I think it was really feeling to see black parents

907
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: let their kids, to your point, at least date and

908
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: like allow your kid to have their boyfriend or their

909
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: girlfriend or their do you say partner in high school?

910
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: I don't know their partner over and like hang out,

911
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: like while the families in the house invite their family

912
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: over for Christmas.

913
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: Like I feel like a lot of people's real.

914
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 3: Life experience, I feel like a bit of my experience

915
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: was just like no boyfriend, and so it's like, well.

916
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: Now I have to sneak. Okay, you gave me no choice.

917
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: And so it was really nice to see parents like

918
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: be involved in their children's relationships because it's like your

919
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: kid is curious, like your kid is going to date,

920
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: like you might as well allow them to do it

921
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: in front of your face.

922
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: I know Don was.

923
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: A little she had like a tighter leash on him,

924
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: but I think like even them just having the conversation,

925
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: or like when Keyshok had like a moment and wood

926
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: Harris I forget his name, and the show was like

927
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: go check on her and go make sure she's good.

928
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, like that is to me? It

929
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: was just like really really beautiful.

930
00:45:50,440 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: To see more for our conversation after the break, there

931
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: has been a lot of conversation around Eric. Eric is

932
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: the dad's name around, like the way that he showed

933
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: up right and that we don't often see portrayals of

934
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: black fatherhood the way that we saw with Eric. Any

935
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: reactions to that are things that you want to share

936
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: about Eric.

937
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: I thought it was really cool how candidly he spoke

938
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: about having a wife who her connections are what built

939
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: his career and he wasn't emasculated by that. And the

940
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: way he spoke about Keisha his wife other women was

941
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: great to see, but it wasn't like he was necessarily

942
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: putting them on a pedestal. He was just being realistic

943
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: about the benefits of partnership. And I love how he

944
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: did not judge Keisha, like never was there anything about

945
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: her being fast or anything like that, because that is

946
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: the sentiment you kind of got from Dawn Lamar.

947
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: And he was even just this is normal. It was

948
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: kind of a sentiment. I really did appreciate that one.

949
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: Just I felt he was so rooted in like his

950
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 3: masculinity and gay just it was funny but needed advice

951
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: about like sex and condoms. And even when Justin was heartbroken,

952
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: he was kind of like, this is a part of life.

953
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: I did appreciate that because I don't think a lot

954
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: of parents speak openly also that like you are going

955
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: to get your heart broken. Sorry is going to happen,

956
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: and that's okay. It's not the end of the world.

957
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: And it seemed like his mom's response was like you

958
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: need to get up and get over it a little bit,

959
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: or let's block Keisha out of your life. And I

960
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: think his dad was a little more nuanced than that.

961
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: But then also just seeing them as like a partnership

962
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: was really great, Like without this person, I wouldn't be

963
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: where I am. But this is like our life, our household,

964
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 3: our community, and so yeah, I thought Wood Harris played

965
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: that role excellently.

966
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: More black dads like that on TV.

967
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: That's all yeah, no notes, Yeah, I appreciate you bringing

968
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: that up at least because it did feel like there

969
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: was a lot of raw Raye energy for the ways

970
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: that Dawn was able to help Eric build his business,

971
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: but then when she wanted to use those same connections

972
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: to like help Justin like get into school and think

973
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: about his future, then it feels like she was demonized

974
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, and now are we okay with

975
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: her like using her network? So I thought that that

976
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: was a bit of a the achademy that I found

977
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: interesting that it was okay to help him build his restaurant,

978
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: but then helping Justin get into Northwest and it felt like, Okay,

979
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have done that.

980
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: So I saw this TikTok that was talking about how,

981
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: and the sitcog was wrong in saying this, but how

982
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: the show was very like pro handling your kid's life.

983
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: It was very pro like the black upper middle class experience.

984
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: And I thought that what the show really unveiled was like,

985
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: how do you guide with a firm hand, but like

986
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: let your kid be who they are, because at the

987
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: end of the day, I think there could have been

988
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: some conversations about, hey, justin you can go to Northwestern,

989
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: but how can we build like a music life or

990
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: musical experience with that, or how can you buy to

991
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: like Berkeley School and music things like that. And I

992
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: think the show had like a critical lens of Donna.

993
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: I don't think it was like this is the right

994
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: way to parent or this is the wrong.

995
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: Way to parent. It was very nuanced, and so I

996
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: really did appreciate that.

997
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: But I think what was also really interesting is I

998
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: still think like as a whole, the black community is

999
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: very touchy on like nepotism, but like, at the end

1000
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: of the day, that is.

1001
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: The way it is and the way it should be.

1002
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 3: If my parent went somewhere and I want to go there,

1003
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you fight tooth and nail, hit up your connections,

1004
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: go to these alumni events. But that's what it even

1005
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: if you didn't have those connections. Just from my college experience,

1006
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: like neither of my parents went to USC, some of

1007
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: my dads like Lyne brothers did. I had cousins, and

1008
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: I was hitting every point to see like how can

1009
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 3: I make myself seen in this space because other people

1010
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: are seeing based off living in California having parents who

1011
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 3: went there, and so I thought that was a very

1012
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 3: interesting conversation that the show brought up, like how far

1013
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: will you go for your kid to get what they want?

1014
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: And why wouldn't you use kind of the resources and

1015
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: connections to make that easier. I think it still makes

1016
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: people a little bit uncomfortable, and it's like what we

1017
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: work so hard for, so the generations behind us can

1018
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: have it a bit easier. And so I thought it

1019
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: was really cool to see that on television. And although

1020
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: there was tension there because he didn't necessarily want it,

1021
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: I think it was, like I said, it was good

1022
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: to see it, and I thought it was a very

1023
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: fair portrayal of like how that goes.

1024
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 2: And I know that's not like.

1025
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 3: Normal for everyone, but I think we should I normalize

1026
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: such an annoying word, but I think we should be

1027
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 3: more comfortable with saying like, hey, I know this person,

1028
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: I had this experience. If my cousin, my child, my niece,

1029
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: whoever wants that same experience, why wouldn't I open that

1030
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: door for them? High school teacher, that was like, your

1031
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: journey as a black person is not like more valid

1032
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: because you struggled. Don't invite a struggle where it's not

1033
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: truly not necessary, because there will be tons that exist.

1034
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: Now anyway, we'll come on their own, Like, don't need

1035
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: for extra.

1036
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 5: Right, I agreed with don No child of mine is

1037
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 5: pursuing music. Actually, go you take your behind the college

1038
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 5: and that's could be a fun little hobby, but you're

1039
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 5: gonna get a real job.

1040
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 4: I'm tired of it.

1041
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: Yes, you said my child won't be mustard on the beat,

1042
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 2: he won't.

1043
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 5: A trade or something, because that's how I read it. Yeah,

1044
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 5: it didn't even have to be Northwest. He could have

1045
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 5: carried it on down to the community college and got

1046
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 5: an HVAC. But that that music absolutely not.

1047
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: I just sorry, you are right, I think, just to

1048
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: add another level, it also speaks to like knowing and

1049
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: it's sad that it is this way, and I think

1050
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: like in our current cultural climate, like it's kind of

1051
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: being broken down.

1052
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: But like how much.

1053
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: A degree can do for you, whether or not you're

1054
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: using that degree. And I think that's also kind of

1055
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: what what Harris's character was alluding to, Like without my

1056
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: wife's degree, I would not have this restaurant. And so

1057
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: it's uncomfortable because we know that there some schools just

1058
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: come with the name and the network that not everyone

1059
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: has access to. But I think it was really important

1060
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 3: to like have a parent not necessarily put that pressure,

1061
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: but a parent who like was saying like, I don't

1062
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: really care, like I want you to go to Northwestern,

1063
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, like you're not

1064
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: understanding what this will open up for you.

1065
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: And I think that's what his mom was saying as well.

1066
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: But she was just trying to get him to go

1067
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: to Northwestern r.

1068
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: And I wonder how much of it was that, like

1069
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: she wanted him to follow in her footsteps or that

1070
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: is where she had the connections, right, Like that is

1071
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: where she was able to most easily open some doors

1072
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: for him, you know. So I don't even know that

1073
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: it was so much about Northwestern and specific and then

1074
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: it was that's where her connections was.

1075
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: She just seemed quite hard though. I feel like it

1076
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: was a little bit of both.

1077
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: She was like, maybe maybe so we want to wrap

1078
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: up by talking about something that is taking over all

1079
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: of our TikTok for you pages and all the Instagram

1080
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: reels about the Cowboy quarters. Who are so I have

1081
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: not personally experienced it yet. My show is down until

1082
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: July here in Atlanta. But of course I have tuned

1083
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: into some of the Instagram and TikTok lives, so I

1084
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: feel like I have seen the show.

1085
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: But what are your.

1086
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: Thoughts about Cowboy Quarter? Are you going? How are you prepping?

1087
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: Is the outfit ready?

1088
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 4: Like?

1089
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: What are you feeling and thinking around the Cowboys?

1090
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 5: Last show date I was supposed to go, right, We'll

1091
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 5: start with the confession. Was supposed to go on a

1092
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 5: Sunday in New Jersey East Rutherford, but I was barbecuing

1093
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 5: that day and the community really they really took a

1094
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 5: lot out of me.

1095
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 4: And that, yeah, I couldn't do it.

1096
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 5: The commute from Brooklyn to New Jersey and back, it

1097
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 5: just was never It.

1098
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 4: Wasn't gonna work.

1099
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 5: Uncle was tired and they had to go to see

1100
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 5: But it also rained that show, so like that was

1101
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 5: a different kind of show.

1102
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people. I am proud

1103
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 4: of my niece Roomy.

1104
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 5: She locked in and she know she gave the people

1105
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 5: what was rehearsed, what Blue had approved. So I was

1106
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 5: happy about that. But I think I'm going to try

1107
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 5: to make another show, Okay.

1108
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 3: So I went to see Cowboy Carter on the last

1109
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 3: night in Los Angeles. I bought a ticket last minute,

1110
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: as I always.

1111
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: Do, and I can see it's on your level.

1112
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: See if you're on the fence, just wait till the

1113
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: day or the day before, because I will say I

1114
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: saw the same tickets.

1115
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: The day before and they were like fifty dollars cheaper.

1116
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, the week up, that's when the tickets start

1117
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: to drop significantly. I really did enjoy the show. I

1118
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: would say it was a very different show than Renaissance.

1119
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: I feel like Renaissance totally story. This was more themed

1120
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: Cowboy Carter, but I didn't feel like there was an

1121
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: arc from beginning to end. That's not to say it

1122
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: wasn't an excellent show, but I wouldn't go in expecting that.

1123
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: What you can't expect are a fair amount of songs

1124
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: from Renaissance, So it did feel like Renaissance Part two.

1125
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: My favorite song on Cowboy.

1126
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: Carter is Flamenco, and so she performed that and that

1127
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 3: was one of the best performances before I Let Go.

1128
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: Was really good when the dancers were dancing to that.

1129
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 3: Of course, seeing Rouey and Blue is excellent, and Blue

1130
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 3: really does blend in as a background dancer, which I

1131
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 3: think is amazing to have that level of talent at

1132
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: that age. And when she does her little catwalk, I'm like, oh, like,

1133
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: I hate to push modeling on children.

1134
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, boys, it's that how we can't fall?

1135
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: It was so good.

1136
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the costumes as well. I think these

1137
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 3: are excellent. They are definitely definitely rivaling Renaissance for me.

1138
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: So I need a look book of every different one.

1139
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: I think it's always fun to just see, like what

1140
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: designers is she gonna partner with and how are they

1141
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: going to explore this being in their own way. She

1142
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: did a scap reality look last night, I think in

1143
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: New York, and that.

1144
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 2: Was really good.

1145
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 3: She did tell far looks she did like a Cowboy

1146
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: Nicks or was a Yankees outfit, and so I think

1147
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: that is really cool about the show, the way she

1148
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: plays with costume design. And I will say the set

1149
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: design on this was also a little underwhelming for me.

1150
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: It was still big, it was still very showy, but

1151
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: like the b outfit and Cowboy Carter and how that

1152
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: interacted with the set, the clam at the like those

1153
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: things are not Cowboy Carter.

1154
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: This was all Renaissance.

1155
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: Those are really exciting, So you're not getting that I

1156
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: don't want to say depth with that cohesion between the

1157
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: songs and the set design to me with But nevertheless

1158
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 3: it's good.

1159
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: I can usually go in I will be going.

1160
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: Again so in base yeah, okay, So my anxiety will

1161
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: not allow me to wait until the week of the

1162
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: show too, Like I feel like the idea that I

1163
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: might miss out on being able to go to the

1164
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: tour because I didn't pre plan. Although the jump in

1165
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: prices is like extreme, right, like what I've paid for

1166
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: my hundred level it sounds like it's very different than

1167
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: what you got your one hundred level ticket there. But

1168
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: I feel like my anxiety will not allow me to

1169
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: wait until like the week up a show to wait now,

1170
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: And then you said you were going to offer some

1171
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: thoughts on why you didn't get a ticket to the tour.

1172
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so before anybody jumps on it.

1173
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: So I thoroughly enjoyed Renaissance, right, I went to see

1174
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: the tour twice. I had five computers open getting tickets, Like,

1175
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoyed that show. So I listened to Cowboy

1176
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 3: Carter and there are definitely songs I enjoy, but I

1177
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: feel like and I appreciate the like world expanding into

1178
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: the genre of like country music. I also loved Daddy

1179
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: Lessons on Lemonade, like that was that I loved that song.

1180
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: But I think like I was just like, Okay, the

1181
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: turnaround time is kind of quick.

1182
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if I felt like Cowboy Carter itself

1183
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: needed its own tour. Granted, I know she's doing a

1184
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: much more like truncated tour for this album, and I

1185
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 3: was a little worried that it would be like Renaissance

1186
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: Pack Part two and that like act too. And when

1187
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: I saw the videos of the tour, I'm like, Okay,

1188
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 3: we're seeing the Renaissance Robot again. Which granted, this is

1189
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: not to say that any parts of the show wouldn't be.

1190
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 2: Fantastic, but I was just curious to know like how

1191
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: different it was gonna be.

1192
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: So I think I just like made assumptions, and I'm like,

1193
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: if a ticket ends up in my.

1194
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: Hand, I will say, okay, I'll go.

1195
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: But listening to you at least say it's like quite different,

1196
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm like okay, Like, but I think like I just

1197
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 3: made assumptions, being like okay, so what is it going

1198
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: to give for the Cowboy Carter tour? And also, y'all

1199
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 3: consert tickets are expensive, so at Soquinn, I'm like, I need.

1200
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: To put my foot down, but we'll see what appens.

1201
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: The only reason I'm going again is because one Vegas

1202
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: is just a hop and a skip in a way

1203
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: from LA. But my sister was like, what do you

1204
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: want for your birthday? She was like, I love to

1205
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: like go to a concert Life five somewhere, and we're

1206
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: seeing Kendrick when I'm in d C. So I'm like, okay,

1207
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: you know that's no fun. So she was like, I'll

1208
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 3: get Cowboy Carter tickets.

1209
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: I say, we're going shot them out out of that.

1210
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because concert tickets are so expensive, Like I want

1211
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 3: to see the weekend Who's coming to LA at the

1212
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: end of June and Marrie, you look at tickets, I'm like,

1213
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: another two hundred and fifty dollars.

1214
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: That's almost five hundred dollars for uber there.

1215
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: If I want a beverage, no an alcoholic or alcoholic,

1216
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: that's one.

1217
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Hundred and there's no merch to be had. Then after that,

1218
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: then if you that merch, yeah.

1219
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to make a whole day out of it,

1220
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: and all the extra ancillary stuff. It's gonna be at

1221
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: least one hundred dollars. There's a lot of extra line items,

1222
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 3: for sure. I have really enjoyed the outfits. My best

1223
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: friend's little sister went in I think La so that

1224
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: might have been at the beginning of the tour, and

1225
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 3: their mom made her this like luxurious, like long bandana

1226
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: skirt with like I don't know, safety bandanas, and she

1227
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 3: went viral and so that was just like a nice

1228
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: moment to see like a mom who made.

1229
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: A costume and it's like girl, people are asking about this.

1230
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed like the looks that been pulling for sure.

1231
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So at last, did you go in theme? Did

1232
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: you have your cowboy cowgirl outfit on? Yeah?

1233
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had this shirt I got in Mexico.

1234
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: It's like a button down with like.

1235
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 3: Floral embellishments, and I wore leather pants and then some

1236
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: dinner cowboy boots the d Then I have a fan

1237
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 3: because I was like I need for this, so you

1238
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: but I'm excited.

1239
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 4: To have.

1240
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: A different outfit for Vegas. Yeah.

1241
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: I literally was like I want to dress like the

1242
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: song for Manco. So that was in my brain and

1243
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 3: I did it. So now I'm like, what other song

1244
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 3: do I want? Like spaghetti honey bucking? That might be

1245
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: a good.

1246
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: One to borrow inspirations.

1247
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 4: I don't don't get it.

1248
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that.

1249
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 5: I don't like that. Oh well, you know, I am

1250
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 5: actually a black dandy. A lot of people don't notice.

1251
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 5: But if you're in Atlanta and you are like getting

1252
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 5: on a horse carriage, there's like a one and eight

1253
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 5: chance that that is my uncle. Like I grew up

1254
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 5: on a stable as a stable boy. I guess you

1255
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 5: could say. So anything in my closet at any time

1256
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 5: would have big cowboy card already. I got like seven

1257
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 5: denim shirts, a bowlo tie, I would and.

1258
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 4: It would have been it would have been there.

1259
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: Okay, you are ready? You are so speaking of these

1260
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: songs that y'all love or not? Is there any song

1261
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: at least you're the only one who has gone, but

1262
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: we clearly all have seen clips. Is there any song

1263
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: that she did not perform that you are missing that

1264
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: you're like, Oh, I really wish that would have been

1265
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: a part of the show.

1266
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 4: I actually have thoughts on this.

1267
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 5: I feel like Beyonce is really good at doing covers

1268
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 5: at her shows, and I was hoping that she would

1269
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 5: have covered more classic country records like from other artists.

1270
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 5: I would have loved that she would have done like

1271
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 5: The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia, if she

1272
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 5: would have done The Heart Never Forgets, which I feel

1273
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 5: like is the black country anthem because of Moesha.

1274
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like there were just.

1275
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 5: More songs if You're Not Back in Love by Monday

1276
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 5: by Merle Haggard, like I feel like, because the whole

1277
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 5: album is about like reintroducing blackness to country, Like playing

1278
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 5: with that would have been dope to me.

1279
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 4: But you know, there's still time.

1280
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: I feel like there is still time.

1281
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 3: I feel like speaking to like country songs that black

1282
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: folks go up for Tennessee Whiskey, and because I know

1283
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: she has her like certain David's moment during the show,

1284
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 3: who I've never met a black person who does not

1285
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: love test you would Scape by Chris Stapleton or whoever

1286
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: else decides to cover it.

1287
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: That is undoubtedly just an amazing song. I think that

1288
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: would be like my pitch for a cover for the show.

1289
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing that I have been surprised

1290
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: about is that there are no special guests in this show, right, Like,

1291
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: so Kendrick came out, Meg has come out in Renaissance,

1292
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: and so I definitely was expecting to see Miley when

1293
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: see Shabouzzi maybe and there are no guests here. Are

1294
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: we surprised by that or were you expecting this to

1295
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: be like just her?

1296
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 2: I think Beyonce said my kids, My.

1297
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: Kids are the guests.

1298
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: I'm curious if once we get to like the southern

1299
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: Southern shows, because we're not there yet, people other people

1300
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: will come out. I could also see Vegas is it

1301
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: being more like showy city? So I'm curious like Nashville

1302
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: in Houston, like if those will be the cities with guests.

1303
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: But I was also surprised at that too, Doctor Joy,

1304
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious because you know a lot of

1305
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 3: people will not watch anything online before they see the tour.

1306
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 3: And you sound like you've seen some stuff like what's

1307
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: your kind of take on seeing like spoilers or previews

1308
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 3: before you actually see it in real life.

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Speaker 1: So I don't look up spoilers and stuff for like

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Speaker 1: movies and things. But I'm also not a huge concert person,

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Speaker 1: like I'm a just big Beyonce person, and so typically

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Speaker 1: I think I would not, but I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: also really kind of hard to miss right now. Right

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Speaker 1: until now, I'm just like, Okay, well, I'm still going

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Speaker 1: to enjoy it when it's my turn to go in person.

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Speaker 1: But I definitely have been tuned into some of the

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Speaker 1: lives now. I don't think i've made it to the

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Speaker 1: end of the show because it also feels very long,

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Speaker 1: but I've definitely seen like the opening actors. I'm not spoilers.

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Speaker 2: I feel like what concerts is fine, you're what.

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Speaker 1: I feel like she did that for Renaissance. Also, though,

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Speaker 1: are some others who are like she's done a gender

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Speaker 1: reveal and like she didn't understand like what they were

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Speaker 1: asking her.

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Speaker 6: To do this moment, but insane, that was a spent

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Speaker 6: this money to try to force this play some rebellion

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Speaker 6: baby gender.

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Speaker 4: For the rest, we don't need to know. That's not

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Speaker 4: what I paid for.

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Speaker 2: Work. We did not ask to come to your gender reveal. Also,

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of stotch.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. So I saw a comment because of

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Speaker 1: course Mama Tina reposted like the gender reveal, and I

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Speaker 1: think the dad was in the comment saying like we

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Speaker 1: did not at all expect that like she would actually

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Speaker 1: see us, like we did it of course hoping, but

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Speaker 1: didn't at all expect that she was, and so that

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Speaker 1: it was such a memorable moment. Also, I think that

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Speaker 1: they was just like taking a chance, right, like Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're already gonna be here, Like why not try to

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Speaker 1: make this moment for our future child.

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Speaker 3: That's a nice part of the child's lore her.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I feel like this is the second child

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Speaker 1: and the first child. I think the first child's name

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Speaker 1: is Carter, and so the child has like all this

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Speaker 1: cowboy quarter and birch and so I mean, so it

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Speaker 1: definitely feels like a big Beyonce family. So I think

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Speaker 1: it was cute that they.

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Speaker 4: Were able to help.

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Speaker 2: That is cute.

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Speaker 3: I was watching Blue from like the first tour to

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Speaker 3: seeing her now like speaking of nepotism or this is

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Speaker 3: nepotism that I fully support, Like this is black nepotism

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Speaker 3: at its peak, And like she's thirteen and she is

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Speaker 3: professionally dancing, like not just for one but like throughout

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Speaker 3: the show you can tell that she's been in rehearsal.

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Speaker 2: I love when you can tell a performer has been

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Speaker 2: in rehearsal. And Blue Ivy is a performer.

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Speaker 3: Like watching a young black girl just be confident and

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Speaker 3: strut and dance and like have her moment, especially because

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Speaker 3: you know, like I feel like Blue Ivy and like

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Speaker 3: the critiques around her said she she was a child,

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Speaker 3: had been a lot, and I think they talked about

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Speaker 3: how she's kind of seen some of that, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's in her like older years. So just seeing her

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Speaker 3: like stunt on everybody is something that warms my heart

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Speaker 3: so much. And I just feel like if she's here

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Speaker 3: now at thirteen, like when she is twenty, like and

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Speaker 3: obviously she has access to the best of the best,

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Speaker 3: like the best of the best trainers. I think Beyonce's

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Speaker 3: dance Captain has kind of like taken Blue Ivy under

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Speaker 3: her wing. I'm just excited to see Blue Ivy like

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Speaker 3: evolved as.

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Speaker 2: Whatever she decides to do. But she clearly loves the stage.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see her like evolve further into that

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Speaker 3: because I think she's killing it.

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Speaker 1: She really so in the Deja Vou solo to me

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Speaker 1: is like the best, Like did you know how you

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Speaker 1: would not be able to tell me anything? First of all,

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Speaker 1: if Beyonce was my mom, and I was like doing

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Speaker 1: her deja vu choreography years later, like and like summoning

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Speaker 1: all of who she was when she was doing it,

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Speaker 1: Like is It's just I kind of like, I'm just

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Speaker 1: so proud of her. She looks like she's having so

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Speaker 1: much fun, and like you said, she clearly has been

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Speaker 1: in rehearsals and like is a very studied performer and

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Speaker 1: really working part of the show. So it's just been

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Speaker 1: incredible to.

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Speaker 2: See ery Blue iby.

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Speaker 1: Well, this has been so much fun. I was always

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Speaker 1: looking forward to catching up on our next roundtable when

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Speaker 1: we talk about more of what we're watching. Quickly, let

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Speaker 1: the people know where they can find you if they

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Speaker 1: want to see more of your thoughts around pop culture

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Speaker 1: and all the things you start end day.

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at in Day Last Soul.

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Speaker 2: That's in d E y E l A s o

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Speaker 2: U L.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll start posting more on my not close friends

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Speaker 3: with my thoughts and things, so maybe I'll do that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's where I am.

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Speaker 1: What about you, relief?

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Speaker 3: You can follow me on Instagram at e l l

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Speaker 3: I C E l l I s. It's just my

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Speaker 3: first in my last name, but there's no extra or

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Speaker 3: additional E at the end of my last name. I

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Speaker 3: also have a TikTok's my TikTok oh, my tik talk

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Speaker 3: is the same thing, so yeah on all platforms and me, oh, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, doctor Joy. I also have a substack and you can.

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Speaker 3: Search it on Google if you search a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: Elise Ellis, I talk about media wellness and I share

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Speaker 3: article recommendations. So if you like this conversation, there's some

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Speaker 5: Perfect and Tyri you can follow me at ty Relvin

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Speaker 5: on all socials stud is t y R E l

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Speaker 5: PI N. I'm probably telling a joke on a stage

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Speaker 5: and some of those videos, so laugh at it.

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Speaker 1: Please be sure to get your lass in well. Thank

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