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Speaker 1: On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte

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Speaker 1: and he's Jamie Loftiz. And here we are talking about

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Speaker 1: women in film once again. Wow, brave of us, honestly,

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Speaker 1: so brave, incredible. We should get awards. We got one

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Speaker 1: once oh yeah, that Female Comedy Award for Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: it's about damn time we have another one here that

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Speaker 1: wyah demand it anyway, So we talk about the representation

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Speaker 1: of women in movies, using the Bechtel test as a

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Speaker 1: way to initiate a larger conversation. Jamie, what's the Bechtel Test? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'm sorry, I was just burping off. Um,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you. The Bechtel test is a medium

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Speaker 1: match invented by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel that requires of

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Speaker 1: a piece of media that there be two female identifying

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Speaker 1: characters who talk to each other about something other than

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Speaker 1: a man. They also need to have names. It is

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Speaker 1: also sometimes called the back to Wallace test because it

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Speaker 1: was a collaborative effort. How do I do? That? Was incredible?

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Speaker 1: I honestly was just holding on second Purp that whole time.

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Speaker 1: And if you could just take it away, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to take care of that. Sure. So today an anticipation,

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Speaker 1: thank you, an anticipation of the upcoming live action remake

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Speaker 1: of Disney's The Lion King. We are talking about The

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Speaker 1: Lion King. Blankang there. God. I mean, Disney is evil enough,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that they're making us cover every single

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Speaker 1: one of their fucking movies as a part of their

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Speaker 1: sinister world takeover scheme, I resent it. It's tiring. I

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Speaker 1: am excited to see this movie. I will be seeing it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of the live remakes in theaters,

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Speaker 1: but this is the one. I'm a loser. They're nice

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Speaker 1: because you have Amcy Stubbs there, but this, this, I

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Speaker 1: think is the one that's going to break me because

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Speaker 1: I love the link ship. So let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: one from nine and here to join us in that conversation,

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Speaker 1: We've got comedian actor co host of Couples Therapy podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and you know her from our when Harry Met Sally

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Speaker 1: episode and our Black Panther episode time. Yes, it's Naomi

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Speaker 1: comparagon and welcome. So you are making history right now

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Speaker 1: on the Bechtel Cast as our first ever three time guest. However,

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Speaker 1: this is the first time that it's just the three

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Speaker 1: if you recall for when Harry met Sally, I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Jennie was on presidence. It's just you and I and

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Speaker 1: in the Mike's Hard Lemonade you drink in her honor,

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Speaker 1: that was I feel like a presence. I felt like

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Speaker 1: I was there. You were embodied in that Mike's Hard lemonade. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: And then the second time Jamie and I were both president,

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Speaker 1: but so was if you wadi Way was talking about

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Thanks for being here so much for having,

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Speaker 1: of course, for Disney's first black film. We'll tell us

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Speaker 1: about your history in relationship with the Lion King. Well,

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Speaker 1: I do recall seeing The Lion King in the movie theaters.

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Speaker 1: What was that? I would have been ten. I would

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Speaker 1: She cried during the Lion King and I was like,

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Speaker 1: We're watching it back, You're like, there's some weird tone

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Speaker 1: that drone was amazing. Yes, Jamie, what about you? What's

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Speaker 1: not sign up to doctor someone who didn't see Clue

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I've seen this movie easily a hundred times.

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Speaker 1: Lion King. Yeah, I loved it. We had I remember,

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Speaker 1: Sing along tapes we had, like those didn't even have

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Speaker 1: But it just had the very like a there's a

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Speaker 1: I need is I mean, it's the vocal fund of

422
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: like Nathan Lane and um, I'm a blinking on Isabella,

423
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: thank you or Isabella. And obviously different characters, like different

424
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: types of characters, like obviously the word hog has got

425
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: to come through with raspy, jovial nous but a little

426
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: something the only seventeen eighteen, and it's like and especially adult,

427
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean not in jen neural, I mean the voice

428
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: changes is infuriating. And and then also like she has

429
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: so few lines at all that it's like, you know,

430
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: you get to hire a local performer who can like deliver,

431
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: like make a live deliver the seven lines you give

432
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: her in the second damn meal of it. So Nala

433
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: is trying to convince him to return. He's like no,

434
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: but then Raffiki shows back up and imparts some wisdom

435
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: about how Simba needs to face his past and how

436
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: Mufassa is alive inside of him, and then ghost. Mufassa

437
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: shows up in the sky and he's right, yeah, Kimba

438
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: the wine line, oh gosh. So Simba is like, oh, ship,

439
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: I should go back home. I'm on spring breaks. I'll

440
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: go back. And then he returns to Pride Rock and Nala,

441
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: Tomor and Pumba also follow him and scars like, oh, Simbody,

442
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: you're alive. That's weird. And then Sarabi's like, oh my god,

443
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: you're alive, Simba, and everyone you know has varying reactions

444
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: to him being there. And then Simba challenges Scar in

445
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: a I wrote down Game of Thrones? Ever heard of him?

446
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: Scars like, oh, by the way, I'm the one who

447
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: killed Mufasa, and Simba's like no, and then they fight

448
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: and he throws Scar over a cliff and then the

449
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: hyenas eat him. But no, but remember though, it's like

450
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: literally first Simba comes back sensitive and scars like you

451
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: killed your father? Tell everybody, and like you did, Simba,

452
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: and then two seconds later scars like I killed your father.

453
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Simba pushes him back and it's like tell him what

454
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: you child? Be just down my ear and he's like

455
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: I killed him, and they're like scars like it's like

456
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: literally how fast it And then and then like in

457
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: the middle of that, Timon and Boomba show up and

458
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: they're goofing up. You're just like, this is this is

459
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: a mess. It's like a very messy high school fight

460
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: of like tell them what you just said and then

461
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: he's like I'm saying and then you're like oh, and

462
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: then the two like clowns are over here, like I

463
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: love when Tom was like, what do you want me

464
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: getting dragon? Do? The hula cut to him and dragged

465
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: during the hula and then back to the brutal Game

466
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: of Thrones. That's also was like are you acon for

467
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: some bacon? And then smash cut to Simba punching Scar

468
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: in the face. It could be a big pig too, Okay,

469
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: So then Scar has been defeated, and then we flashed

470
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: forward to Pride Rock is nice again. The e p

471
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: a has been reinstated, finally clean the water, yes, they

472
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: remembered about the lake is like it's literally Nala knows

473
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: where it is. I don't know. And Nala had gotten

474
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: gregnant with a little baby lion cub who RAFFII lifts

475
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: into the sky just Extemba had been in the beginning

476
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: because it's the circle. And then we learned in the

477
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: second one that it's his daughter Chiara. They never watched

478
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: the sexte I've seen. I've seen the second one. It's

479
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: it's that one's basically Romeo and Juliet. But yes, his daughter,

480
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Simba's daughter Chiara. Cute. We've got to go to a

481
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: quick break, but then we will come right back. I mean,

482
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: where to begin, Where to begin? What if we already

483
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: started talking about that, we can just pick up on.

484
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: We could talk about the Caucassity Present. Yes, let's do it,

485
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: because it is funny, like watching it like as a kid,

486
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: like to me it was black. I was like, oh,

487
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: we did get our first princess. And I was like, oh,

488
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: I know why I don't remember her because they made

489
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: her Moirachill later on. But I just because I was

490
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: like the voice of James Earl Jones, and just like

491
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: it's just interesting, you know, because like this all I do,

492
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: like talking white or talking black or sounding whatever. You know,

493
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: there's by no means a hard and fast rule. You know.

494
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: I definitely grew up being told I talked white for forever,

495
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: and now most of my stand up is just fucking

496
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: tackling back and forth between voices for the fun of

497
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: it and like code switching whenever I need to. But

498
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: it is just interesting how this was. This was a

499
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: movie to me where it was like, oh, that's a

500
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: black person, that's a white person, and like knowing that

501
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: in my ear even as a little kid, you know

502
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. I just very interested in the whole

503
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: Like why would they not cast a black actress to

504
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: be Nala, Because I will say, sir, Robbie is coming

505
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: through with this regal realness in her cocoa vocals. Give

506
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: me another black woman. Madge Sinclair is the voice actor.

507
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: The voice of Robbie unfortunately also has seven lines total,

508
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: but but makes a meal of it. She's giving you something,

509
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, a little something, And I

510
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: just thought that was like very um, I don't know,

511
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: just interesting some of those choices, you know what I mean,

512
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: you need to mean Jeremy Iron's perfection, Sure o Thomas.

513
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: What other star of that time would do it? But

514
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: it was just so funny how I was like, yeah,

515
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: that's out the deal of Thomas And when he's singing,

516
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: is Michael Jackson, you know, not literally Michael Howe would

517
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: just be that sound and you're just like like, um,

518
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: I think we know what happened here. It was just

519
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: so interesting. Yeah, the voice of young Simba Jason Weaver

520
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: who I remembered as the older brother and smartt that's

521
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: the singing voice. Singing voice. Yeah, and then so yeah,

522
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: white actor for the speaking voice, black actor for the

523
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: singing voice. Shouldn't they have just cast black voice actors

524
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: for every role in this movie? Well, I know, right,

525
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of I know. But at the same time,

526
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: right there animals and so who are we to ascribe

527
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: race to animals? But when you start with James Earl Jones,

528
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: everybody else gotta brasiddication. That's the tricky Like that's a

529
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: tricky thing, you know what I mean, Like he's like

530
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: the patriarch, right, and he's giving you that gravitas, right,

531
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: Because it's kind of split down the middle in terms

532
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: of casting where you've got voice actors who are people

533
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: of color. We've got Mufasa Sarabi, Young Nala, Raffii, Shenzi

534
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: and Bondsy. So you've got like James Old Jones, mag

535
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: Sinclair what was the name, Robert Yeah, you know, Whoopi

536
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: Goldberg and teach Marin as to the hyenas, and then

537
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: Nikita Colamba Harris is young Nala, and then the white

538
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: voice actors young Simba. J. T. T. We've got adult Simba,

539
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Matthew Broderick, We've got adult Nala. What's her name? Moira Kelly,

540
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Kelly Scars, Jeremy Irons as we've discussed Zazoo as Rowan Atkinson,

541
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: Timon and Pumba are Nathan Lane and the name that

542
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: I also forget, Yeah, and then Jim Jim Cummings is

543
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: ed the the other the laughing ist Tyina. Let's yes,

544
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: the laughingest Hyena. Part of the issue with this movie

545
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: and with most Disney movies that are trying to portray

546
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: another culture, even if it even if the intentions are earnest,

547
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: is everyone in a major production role in this movie

548
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: is a white person, and so it's like it doesn't

549
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: seem like anyone was considering it. Yeah, because to me, also,

550
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: I look, it is animation, you know what I mean?

551
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: And I one of the things I love and keep

552
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: trying to break my ass in a voiceover is because

553
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with the same assumptions of

554
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: what I am allowed to play because of my face.

555
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: So I don't honestarily for me, it's like, no, you can,

556
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: you could give me, you know, some cross cultural moments.

557
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: I just an issue with the switching of vocals from

558
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: people in both like the and that that's a different

559
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: there's a different sup between Like obviously Matthew Broderick isn't

560
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: singing his parts. That's apparently the lead singer of Toto.

561
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I think who's it's also John Williams's son. Oh wait,

562
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't be funny though if it was, and that's what

563
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: inspired him to sing Africa. Joseph, No it is, he's

564
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Joseph Stanley Williams fronted fronted for the lead

565
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: of the rock band Toto and son of John LANs

566
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: son of John Williams, who knew wild connection. But so

567
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: I get, like, you know, the actor can't sing necessarily,

568
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: but it's just like so jarring to go from like

569
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: scooky down on the Taylor Thomas to like motown moments.

570
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: It's just it's just such a shift. And the thing

571
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: I've never really understood now maybe more than ever, it's

572
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: about famous people and certainly if you're doing with live

573
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: action thing. But to me, the whole point of voice office,

574
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: like let the voice actors get a job I don't need.

575
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: It's like here Fred Savage to talk about Nissan and ship.

576
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: It's like, han't you got some money? What you're taking

577
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff? But we don't like the fact you

578
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: need that star power for like even a cartoon. I say,

579
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: you get like a couple of recognizable names, maybe for

580
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: like the poster or whatever. But it's like maybe the

581
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: girl who was young, Nala was too young to age up,

582
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: but then you just find like an older like an adult.

583
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: There were were plenty to choose from, and you could

584
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: just like you just knew, I'm not gonna a little

585
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: black girl having fun, like you know that voice and

586
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: then you and then you like, like what do you

587
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: do with it? Just it just seems like no thought

588
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: was given to it, and it's it's frustrating. Luckily, the

589
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: live action remake seems to, of course corrected a lot

590
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: of this. Yes, but if you look at the production team,

591
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: it is still a majority white production team, white director,

592
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: white like it. It's that's the thing that frustrates me

593
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: about a lot of like it's it is like progress,

594
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: but if you like behind the camera representation is still

595
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: so low and you don't see it, and so no

596
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: one really well of course, and then also every if

597
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: you notice too, the black people in the movie are

598
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: the super blacks. Not an actual phrase, of course, but

599
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: this idea usually that like because you notice a lot

600
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: like people will allow a black musician who has reached

601
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: a stain level of fame. It's a cross over into

602
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: acting because like, Okay, I already know that black person,

603
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: so you can put them over here. But it's harder

604
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: for anybody just kind of crop up out of nowhere,

605
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's Beyonce come town,

606
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like you picked the

607
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: best black woman around right now. Donald Glover were also

608
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: like a multi hyphen like if they were gonna put

609
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: black people and it had to be the like big

610
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: splashy names and not that obviously like they'll be good.

611
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying any of these people lack the ability

612
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: to do this work, but it is still that feeling

613
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: that like you're not giving like a newer performer a chance,

614
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: or just like you're nothing else onde the box. You're

615
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: like like it was just kind of like who's the

616
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: biggest black person we can get for this thing. Yeah, okay,

617
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: can we get her? Can we get her? Okay? Good, Okay,

618
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: now we're done. Okay, now we're done. Okay, now Beyonce,

619
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: just Beyonce into the microphone, into the microphone, will hit

620
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: record and then and then it's like you can have

621
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: Jon Favreau directed and people aren't gonna like raise in

622
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: that Like that. It really does bother me when when

623
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: it's there's like a lot of effort put into representation

624
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: in one area specifically, and then the rest is sort

625
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: of like, well, we can keep status over here, and

626
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: that's true and innim I mean that's true in a

627
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of animation like It's and which is white boys

628
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: hadded but it's more white boys stealing ideas. Uh yeah,

629
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about that? Yes, I have been.

630
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Speaker 1: I so this is like I vaguely knew about this,

631
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: but then I did a deep dive on it. There's

632
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel I watch called yester World. It is

633
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: very long video essays about Disney theme topics and I

634
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: am ashamed. Uh, but he does great work. Anyways. They're

635
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: basically like short docs. But the Lion King part of

636
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: it's like claim to fame is being Disney's first quote

637
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: unquote original story that isn't a direct adaptation of something else.

638
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: So they're like, there's elements of Moses and Joseph, there's

639
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: elements of Hamlet, but it's an original story. It's our first,

640
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: like the first Disney Renaissance movie that isn't a direct

641
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: like old European story being adapted, right, and that doesn't

642
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: seem necessarily true. It bears a lot of resemblance to

643
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: an anime series that started as a comic book series

644
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: called kim Both The White Lion in Japan by a

645
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: very famous Japanese um animator named Osamu Tezuka, and I'm

646
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: not or Tessuka. It's it's the most frustrating story in

647
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: the world to unpack because it's just like peak Disney,

648
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: where it's like, if you can admit that you were

649
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: taking elements from this story and pay the people who

650
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: created it, no harm, no foul, all good because Tessuka's

651
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: whole um. He's a like super famous Japanese animator. He

652
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: invented Astro Boy and kim but with the White Lion,

653
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: like two huge Kimba Kimba sim you know, exactly like

654
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Simbod and Tessuka idolized Disney was constantly citing Bambi as

655
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: the reason that he wanted to become an animator. Like

656
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: got to meet Disney once and was it just was

657
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: like very effusive about how there is and but I

658
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: mean it's I mean, I don't know what they're they're

659
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: lationship was, but uh, you know, Disney is not a

660
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: good person. But Tessiga makes Kimba the White Lion. It

661
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: is a big deal in Japan. His name is Leo

662
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: the Lion in Japan, but it's not in America because

663
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: the MGM Lion's name is Leo, so they changed it

664
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: to Kimba. So he's known as Kimba the White Lion

665
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: in America. Some people like, it's not a super popular

666
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: thing in America, but it is popular enough coming out. Uh.

667
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: The good question is the sixties. The sixties is when

668
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: the character was invented, or the fifties was comic books

669
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: and then there were movies in the sixties. Yeah, he

670
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: was like a well established Yeah, it's been a long time, right,

671
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: And so there is a lot of speculation that is

672
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: well founded that the Lion King rips off a lot

673
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: of elements of Kimba the White Lion. Most of them

674
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: are visual, but basically the the issue with it is

675
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: that here's this famous Japanese animator who absolutely loved Disney.

676
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: His company was willing to play ball and like lend

677
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: the rights because they're like, oh, you know, and he

678
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: he passed away by the time this movie came out,

679
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: but he's like, oh, Tessica would have loved that Disney

680
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: wanted to use his characters. But Disney firmly denied that

681
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: what they had done had anything to do with Kimba

682
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: the Lion. There, Lion Simba had nothing to do with Kimba.

683
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: There's a number of like things you can watch online

684
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: of side by side shots. The fight between Scar and

685
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: Simba is identical. The dead Dad in the sky scene

686
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: is identical. The stampede with the bird hovering above saying

687
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: don't worry help is coming as identical. Like visually. In

688
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: addition to story beats, the dead Father beat us there,

689
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: the stories aren't exactly one for one the same. There's

690
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: literally a farting ward hog in Kimba the way. It's

691
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: ridiculous it is, and Disney already has such a horrible

692
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: history of stealing from other cultures and never crediting and

693
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: being like, idea, we did it. And this is like

694
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: a particularly agregious because when the movie came out, Tessica's

695
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: company was like, hey, this bears a lot of resemblance

696
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: to our I P. We weren't paid for it, but

697
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: Tessica would have liked that, Like, they were still really

698
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: nice about it. And Disney responded by issuing a cease

699
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: and desist to the company and saying like, keep our

700
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: name out of your mouth, has nothing to do with

701
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: what you did, and funk off. So it's Disney. Are

702
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: we surprised? They're like trying to start a empire. No

703
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: one will be allowed to watch anything that does not

704
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: have their logo on it, and they're evil like there

705
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of animators anonymously came forward because the

706
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: wrath of Disney, you can't A lot of animators and

707
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: honestly came forward and we're like, no, we definitely knew

708
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: about Kimba the White Line. It was talked about in

709
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: meetings all the time. The Lion King started as a

710
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: Kimba project, but then Tessica passed away and we had

711
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: already started concept arts, so we sort of just kept

712
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: a lot of it and like it's well document. Matthew

713
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: Broderick has said in interviews that he was telling everyone

714
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: he was going to be the voice of Kimba because

715
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: he was familiar with Kimba, and he was told he

716
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: was going to be the voice of Kimba, and they're like,

717
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: actually it's Simba. Never mentioned Tessica again, and and Disney

718
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: still to this day has not copped to it. But

719
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: they've basically stole a lot of visual inspiration and like

720
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: story beats. In addition to the Hamlet stuff that they

721
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: will admit to, they stole a lot from this very

722
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: famous Japanese animator. Disney is scar Basically Disney is a

723
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: gas lighting liar, but also not even good at their treachery,

724
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they have power, but

725
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: like they don't. They're not, Like you couldn't even make

726
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: that ship and not look alike. You just listed six

727
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: direct scenes. You change that one letter because that was

728
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: the thing was Scar too. It was like, okay, bitch,

729
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: you gas lit a child. Yeah, you ain't that clever,

730
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: And then you got in charge and then nobody had water.

731
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: You ain't even going to be in charge. Why did

732
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: you want to be in charge so you're just sitting okay?

733
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: Put a bird in a rib cage? Why did you

734
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: want to be in charge so bad? You're not good

735
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: at any of the things. He couldn't even keep the

736
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,479
Speaker 1: secret up. I killed your father, wait till he's dead.

737
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: But he was like got a whisper in his here.

738
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: It's like like Disney is like not even good if

739
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: faked ship feeling ship. There's also hyenas and a raffiki

740
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: character in Kimba. It's this, Okay. The one thing that

741
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: this just makes me laugh. The one thing that was

742
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: included in Kimba the White Lion that it is actually

743
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: very good that Disney did not steal because it's scary,

744
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: is Kimba the White Lions. Dad also dies in the movie,

745
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: but instead of really devastating under the policyne what Kimba

746
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: the White Lion does is keeps his dad's high and

747
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: uses it as a disguise, and multiple points, girl does

748
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: not let other people know that the king is dead.

749
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: He just sneaks under his dad's corpse and hiss hello everybody,

750
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: Buffalo bills his father. So um. Those are fun scenes

751
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: to watch on YouTube too, because you're like, yaikes, this

752
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: is very dark. Um okay, so that's my that's my tiree.

753
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing all that. We've got to take

754
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: another quick break, but then we'll come right back for

755
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: more discussion. Alright, So we've covered the you know, intellectual

756
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: property theft from Disney, We've covered the upsetting casting choices.

757
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the female characters. Yeah, but it's like

758
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: they haven't come up yet with good reasons, with the

759
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: reason because they are nearly inconsequential to the story. Did

760
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: you my nations count how many lines they have? Because

761
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: I literally feel like it has to be between the

762
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: does what we have a gender as a hyena? Because

763
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: I didn't think we ever like here? So like, so

764
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm not counting whoopee. So I'm literally just counting Nala

765
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: and Sarabi, right, Okay, I swear to you they must

766
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: say less than twenty lines between the two of them

767
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: home moving, Oh ease. I didn't think that that is

768
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: like generous, most especially because most of Nala's interaction is

769
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: in a music montage where she sucks and she doesn't speak.

770
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: It's just that we're just like hearing like her internal

771
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: monologue and so You're just like it's like, why can't

772
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: he be the king I want him to be? And

773
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: then she's like I'm ready and it was just like

774
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: it was just like what because I loved because initially

775
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: I was like oh, I was like I forgot where

776
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: it's like, you're going to be married and she's like,

777
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: oh gross, and I was like, okay, I'm into romance.

778
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: Subplot is Zazu being like, yeah, you guys are betrothed

779
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: and they're like what the fund does that mean? And

780
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: he's like, you're going to be married and they're like gross.

781
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: We're friends. And then and then Simba disappears from her

782
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: for a decade thought he was dead. She thought he was.

783
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: But I do think it is important that, like her

784
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: life is more defined by him than his, his life

785
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: is defined by her because seeing him again means the

786
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: world to her because he equals no more Nazis, in

787
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: addition to fucking the hope for her future hinges on

788
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: this boy yeah, whereas he's just like oh' sup, Like

789
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: he's like, I got so good to see you. What

790
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: are you even up to? I thought you were dead.

791
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: It's like if I ran into my neighbor Brendan O'Connell

792
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: always have a crush on and like, oh my god, Brendan,

793
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: this horrible guy name him Trump is in office and

794
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: you have to get him out. And he's like, what's

795
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: up right now? Insects for the best and pig how

796
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: do you get so jacked eating grabs? He's got a

797
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: full body, he's he's dined on vick, He's he's swollen.

798
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm interested in teen Simba. We only see him on

799
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: the log but for a moment, but he has a mohawks.

800
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is styled his rebellious face. And that

801
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: was it. But then here's a question, due, did you

802
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: do you feel like Simon and Pumba were his parents?

803
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: I feel like at best they were like big brothers,

804
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't think anyone was like raising him or

805
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: teaching I felt uncle vibes from them. I always felt

806
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: like an uncle vibe of like, yeah, you're taken care

807
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: of there. They're technically like your caretakers, but they're not

808
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: like making sure you're learning things, like they're not teaching

809
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: you much like literally, their whole life philosophy is don't care.

810
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: So what really can they be teaching him? And yet

811
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: in the montage. He learns everything he needs to know

812
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: about life and is ready to go back resumed. It is.

813
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: And then we learned in that and I never that's

814
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: never really registered for me. But in that scene where

815
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: they're all looking at the stars to mon Pumba and Simba,

816
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: you learned that Simba has never told them anything about

817
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: his background. Um he so they know very little about

818
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: him there. They've just kind of been feeding and bugs.

819
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: Maybe they're I'm like, I want to know what they're Well,

820
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: you have to see Lion King one and a half,

821
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: which is a class one and a half. Lion King

822
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: one and a half is I think of the two

823
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: directed video Lion Kings No Superior. It's just literally what

824
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: Timon and Pumba were doing during all the parts of

825
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: the Lion King that they're not in. It's really funny.

826
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: It's like and it's Nathan Lane and Ernie's about like

827
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: Matthew Roject. The whole cast came back for this two

828
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: thousand four directed video. It's really good. I haven't seen

829
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: that one either. It's classic. That's amazing. Yeah, and like

830
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: that they called it half yeah. Interesting. I thought it

831
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: was gonna be like a twenty minute video like a

832
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: twenty minute clip half for some reason, for some reason,

833
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: they made it a feature. I'm I kind of missed

834
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: direct to video. I guess like there are some Netflix

835
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: projects that are comparable to direct to video ship to

836
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: where you're just like, what is who is this for?

837
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: It's like it's much work for who? But I love

838
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: that stuff. Uh So anyway, So we've got Simba, who

839
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: is like emotionally repressed. We've got Nala coming back. Here's

840
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: Here's what really draws me nuts about this storyline is

841
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: that Nala comes back and she's like, Simba, you've been

842
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: gone all this time. Our homeland has been deteriorating. We're

843
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: living under this Nazi regime. Please come back and help us.

844
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: We're our only hope. And he's just like, no thanks.

845
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: And then a male character shows up, Raffii, and he's like, hey, Simba,

846
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: you should really like look inside yourself and then consider

847
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: going back. And he's like, you're right. A man told

848
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: me I should do that, So I'm going wait, but

849
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: the man showed him his daddy and the sky magic Man. Yeah,

850
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: I feel like riffy and he does no Raffii, RAFFICI

851
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: did the whole hold him on the rock. He doesn't

852
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: remember that. I don't think he knows Raffici actually when

853
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: he shows back up right because he's like I knew

854
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: your father, right, because he's like, who are you and

855
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: he's like, my father's dead, sorry to break it to you, dude,

856
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: Like so he doesn't recognize him at all. I know

857
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: what you mean though, But I think it's also like

858
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: I could have used a scene of all the lady

859
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: lions like trying to overthrow scar in some capacity and failing,

860
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just a pop of

861
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: what was going on back home, how they tried to

862
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: fight back and couldn't do it, you know what I mean.

863
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: I think that that would like help just logistically help

864
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: offset some of the tone stuff too, because you don't

865
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: know what's going on until you're seeing Dystopia right before

866
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Simba gets back, and it would be and it's like

867
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: you get that one shot of Sarabi like holding her

868
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: head high as she's like walking through this like Hyena

869
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: held then, and you can sort of like you get

870
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: an idea of like she's been through a lot, she's

871
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: like retaining her dignity through this, but this isn't But

872
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you could use especially because we see

873
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: Nala's mom for one line, or she's cleaning her child

874
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: exactly licking your child's ass, and that's literally always her. Yeah,

875
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: that would that would have been good for everyone too,

876
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: because it's because you are sort of like, how did

877
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: Scar pull this off? He's so out Well that brings

878
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: me to some some science facts what I have, So

879
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: we yes, we talked to Katie Golden. She is the

880
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: host of Creature Feature podcast right here on the network,

881
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: and she knows a lot about animals, and she told

882
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: us a thing or two about how lind behavior actually

883
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: works in nature versus how it's depicted in The Lion King.

884
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: So she says, female lions make up the core of

885
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: a pride, which we see in the movie um Males

886
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: come and go. Prides are often thought to only contain

887
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: one male and like a harem of females, but that's

888
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: not always totally accurate. Only Tsavo lion prides contain a

889
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: single male adult. Most other subspecies of lions have prides

890
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: in which they're up to four males, typically brothers, and

891
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: typically one dominant male is allowed to mate with several

892
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: females and then they all produce cubs. So in the

893
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: lion king Nala and Simple would be related because the

894
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: fossa would be both of their dads. Because we see

895
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: only one. We see my fassa and then we see Scar,

896
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: who we assume isn't he's an in cell. He's not

897
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: getting sucked. I was, yes, major in cell, like he

898
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: lives in a basement. Literally yeah. But then all the

899
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: other adult lions are females, so everyone Fassa is fucking.

900
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: So that now that's sexy time and jule um in

901
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: In real life and nature, this kind of inbreeding is

902
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: usually avoided by dispersal, so the male lions will move

903
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: away from the pride that they were born in and

904
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: seek a new pride or a new territory um, so

905
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: Simba returning to Pride Rock wouldn't have happened. In nature,

906
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: the dominant alpha male in a pride will eventually be

907
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: ousted by a younger, fitter male or several males, a

908
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: swoller male linum, who will take a tenure at the pride.

909
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: So the son of like the alpha male line would

910
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: not be the one to take over. He would instead

911
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: go off and find his own pride. So that's I

912
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: couldn't even go to someone's table at lunch, just literally

913
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: can I be part of your prod? Confidence? Yeah, the

914
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: confidence it takes to just be like, hey, can I

915
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: join your pride? Also, I'm in charge, so I'm the

916
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: leader big all about even that move? Um. So in

917
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: urns of female and male lions, it's hard to say

918
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: kind of who's in charge, as both females and males

919
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: have specific roles in their community. Because females rear the cubs,

920
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: they do the majority of hunting UM and they help

921
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: enforce the social structure, while males defend their territory from

922
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: other males. They assist in hunting a little bit, and

923
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: they are usually either ousted or they dispersed to other

924
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: prides UM. But typically prides or thought of as a

925
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: matriarchal society UM because the permanent social structure is maintained

926
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: by the females, whereas the presence of anyone individual male

927
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: is generally temporary. This is what we were just talking

928
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: about in the narrative. Females in nature in real life

929
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: will gang up on an intruder male who attempts to

930
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: take control of a pride. So if Scar tried to

931
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: take control of the mating or in this movie he

932
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: tries to become king, what he would do try to

933
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: kill all the existing cubs, So the females would try

934
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: to prevent this by fighting him off, and because Scars superscrawny,

935
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: they probably would have won and killed him because like,

936
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: what does Scar have? He just has some hyenas and

937
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: is it just I can't remember he has? Obviously the

938
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: three main was in there. There more than that, but

939
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: I was like a whole army. The whole army was

940
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: like but in actual nature, the lions wouldn't be afraid

941
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: of a hyena. Well, he's some and some more facts

942
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: coming through everyone listened to creature feature hyenas would never

943
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: work with lions. She whist lions eat hyena cubs and

944
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: steal their kills, while sometimes hyenas will steal a lion kill.

945
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: But hyenas are also matriarchal and they're actually more nepotistic

946
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: than lions. So in the Lion King, if Mufasa, Simba

947
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: and Scar were female hyenas, this would all actually become

948
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: more accurate narratively. I sort of don't understand what I

949
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: just read, but maybe I trust him. I trust right, Okay,

950
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: so some mistakes were made to avoid scenes with too

951
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: many women in them right there. I mean, yeah, that

952
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: would be such a that would be such a better scene,

953
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: and just to get to know a female character well enough.

954
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: But again, it's just like, if you look at the

955
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: lineup of people who made this movie, it totally tracts

956
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: that they would have no concern about, Like why isn't

957
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: Naled doing more? Does Nala do anything that has consequence

958
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: besides get pregnant? Right because she has the agency and

959
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: she's active enough to go looking for help, and in

960
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: so doing she finds Simba, yes, but her attempt to

961
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: convince him to return doesn't work. And it's not until

962
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: RAFFII is like, hey, you better go back that Simba's

963
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: like okay, so she could have never showed up, and

964
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: it really would have made a difference. Well if you

965
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: even go back when when they were kids. Nala is

966
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: following Simba to go to the eleven Graveyard. It's not

967
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: her idea. She doesn't have a lot of agency there,

968
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: and then she just sort of is like hanging out. Well,

969
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: Simba's being a fucking brat and she's like, I'm gonna

970
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: own everything and she's so entitled as a kid, god

971
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: fucking like rich kids in their entitlement a night. But

972
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: she is able to every time they kind of like

973
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: play fight. She always pins him so strong and she's

974
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: a good hunter. But then she does it later and

975
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: it's horny and yeah, and that's how he knows that,

976
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh you're you're Nala, the girl who always used to

977
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: pin me because it was but also my grandfather. She

978
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: like licks his face a little, yeah, you're like first

979
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: she surprised kiss him though I don't know, I know

980
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: lins how the lines consent. We don't know. Um, I'm

981
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: considering he had never interacted with a female lion in

982
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: like a decade, you know what I mean. He was

983
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: really like he was like very stunned. But it would

984
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: have been a great great to see like a scene

985
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: with like Nala and Sarabbi like teaming up to try

986
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: to be like let's overthrow scar, like let's do something,

987
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: or even a conversation about again like the death of

988
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: her husband and son went through a lot, right, lots

989
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: over that. Yeah, and like even when Simba comes again,

990
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: it only last two seconds, but when she thinks, you know,

991
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: when scars like he's the reason why MUFAs is dead,

992
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: she said she does Simba, or like, is that true?

993
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: You know she has that, But I'm like, we should

994
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: have had Sir Robbie Faine at some point fall out

995
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: and get it back together. She should have been the

996
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: one to find him in the damn jungle where she

997
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: was like, I've left, I have nothing to live for

998
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: and have been on a walk about. Or it's like

999
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: we see the scene where like Scar comes back after

1000
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: just having gas lit, Simba been like, hey, Sarabi, MUFAs

1001
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: is dead. Simba's dead. Sorry, And then and then we

1002
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: can see the aftermath of like Sarabi and then like

1003
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: Nala finding out that her best friend is presumably dead,

1004
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: and then like them trying to cope with that grief

1005
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: and exactly and like we're just like, what is it like?

1006
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: Because you say it's like you see for I can

1007
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: see like Pride Rock is like black, correct, it's already desert,

1008
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,959
Speaker 1: So you're like, well, but then you see it looking worse.

1009
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: But to see a moment, well, what does life look

1010
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: like for the rest of the Pride But what is

1011
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: actually going on down below? Are they doing like a

1012
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: pussy march, like a pussy hat march like a women's march,

1013
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: and they're like what are they doing? And especially like

1014
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's what I'm just kinda like wait,

1015
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: what what's going on with them? And we can see

1016
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of like lioness like when you

1017
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: see that shot of Scar being in terging, like there

1018
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: there's there are enough women to stage in uprising him.

1019
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: Oh god, but women to stage and uprising. I'm actually

1020
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: because the the in real life female lions are the

1021
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: more proficient hunters, which at least was Nala at one point,

1022
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: but like you would think they would have been able

1023
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: to like take out Scar and probably most of the hyenas,

1024
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: like they would have been able to rip them going

1025
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: to Kenya to get the answers if you're not going

1026
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: to use them, right Disney, Disney producers and writers failure

1027
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: A vision failure a vision there. This is like literally

1028
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: if we were like waiting around to be rescued by

1029
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: an eighteen year old boy, like it just doesn't make

1030
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: any logical sense. Could we could just take someone down ourselves? Yeah?

1031
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: I did. It's just busy laughing at fart there, But yeah,

1032
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like the really the only two female characters

1033
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: we get here they exist in relation to the men

1034
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: around them pretty explicit. And the fact that Simba Nala

1035
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: start out as friends, it would have been nice to

1036
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: see them just stay as friends. The fact that like

1037
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: they wedge a romantic storyline in there doesn't need to happen. Yeah,

1038
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: I feel like it could have. Just she could have

1039
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: been used as like the moment of like the friend

1040
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: that finally gets him to admit, like him thinking he

1041
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: killed his dad, and then Nolle could have been the

1042
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: one to be like Scar was lying to you, right,

1043
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 1: don't mean make no sense simbo. Yeah, looking back, I'll

1044
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: go back again. A black woman as grown has knowledge

1045
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: like simple get it again? Right? Yeah? But yeah, nothing

1046
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: nothing really adds up, simply does not. And so I'm

1047
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: curious if any of this will sort of be kind

1048
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: of course corrected in this remake, because Disney seems to

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: be attempting to do this with these live action remakes,

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01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: for example, not to back, but I did see a

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01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: Laddin twenty nineteen in the theater. Okay, I hope you

1052
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: can get it as a text right off. Oh yes,

1053
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: I'll be writing that. I use my AMC list stubs

1054
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: and it was actually yeah, wow, okay, well somebody she

1055
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 1: just gotta upgrade anyway, Um, are you telling me about

1056
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: that movie? Upgrade? You like the Beyonce song who plays Nala?

1057
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: Go ahead? And then you're trying to tell So in

1058
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: this live action Aladdin, there seems to be an attempt

1059
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: to make Jasmine a more meaningful and flashed out character.

1060
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: She's given like political aspirations that she does not have

1061
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: in the animated film from ninety two. She's also given

1062
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: a couple of extra songs, so we learned a little

1063
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: bit more about her character and her perspective. So there's

1064
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: an attempt to flesh out female characters more. It's seen

1065
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: there's still lions in this Yeah, so what are they

1066
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: going to do? You know what I mean? Like you

1067
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: can use that as a cover, right, I mean, but

1068
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: there's but they're anthropomorphized as people basically, So I don't

1069
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: think that's any excuse. I think they can still like

1070
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: give female characters agency. We can learn more about their personalities,

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01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: their backstories, like all that stuff. I get. Yeah, I

1072
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: mean that's like the test, Like that's the only thing

1073
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: that most of the only value I see in these

1074
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: cash grab movies is like can you improve upon the

1075
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: material by adapting it well? And like can you you know,

1076
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: like make the like diverse choices you should have in

1077
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: the first movie. Can you like fix shady character ship

1078
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: or like confusing like why is this person motivated? Why

1079
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: don't we see this female character for an hour? Like

1080
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that, Like you could have that scene with

1081
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: Sarabi and Nala's mom and all the lionesses in the

1082
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: new one, and that would be like a cool adaptation change.

1083
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: What's Seth Rogan playing? He's I object, yes, yeah, yeah, Okay,

1084
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: So we've got we've got some updates including Amy said

1085
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: there's plays a character whose name is Elephant. True. We

1086
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: seem to have added a few what I'm guessing your

1087
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: male characters. Who's like Eric Andre plays a character named

1088
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: a Zz who I don't know. What I think is

1089
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: they changed the names of the hyenas. That was well

1090
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: because shen Z is the is WHOOPI Goldbrook's character in

1091
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: the animated one and that remains, But I don't see

1092
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: I think his name is like Bonzai in the animated one,

1093
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: So maybe that's oh, oh yeah, who just keep playing?

1094
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: Oh no, he plays Kamari, who's that it's kari okay,

1095
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: It's a whole new world compare another out of transitation

1096
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: change that it is rumored the movie is making, and

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01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: I think transitions well into Another thing we need to

1098
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: talk about is the song be Prepared is allegedly not

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: going to be in the new movie. Um it is

1100
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: like the one major song from the original that as

1101
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: far as I can find, has been cut, the best song,

1102
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: the one you want to last three hours, I'm so sorry,

1103
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: and there's and I think that like that is a

1104
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: very interesting like of this moment kind of choice to make.

1105
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: There's a slight article written by Aisha Harris about this

1106
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: creative decision. It was written last year, so it's possible

1107
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: that maybe they just didn't announce it, but they released

1108
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: the track list really early and be Prepared is not

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: on there. And it is interesting because that scene, there's

1110
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of whatever. You can go into the clickbait

1111
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: universe and find the side by side comparisons of like

1112
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: Lenny Reefinstahl movies of Nazi soldiers and a lot of

1113
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: the shots are very deliberately identical, and the hyenas marching

1114
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: and you know, the whole bit, like it is pulled

1115
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: directly from this like very famous German World War two

1116
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: propaganda movie, which I guess was a creative decision that

1117
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: wasn't very controversial. But now that and and and Aisha

1118
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: Harris argues in this article and she thinks it's a

1119
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: bad choice to cut this number and kind of Disney

1120
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: hedging their beds now route. We might as well give

1121
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: him a number. But she she kind of makes the argument,

1122
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: and I agree with what she's saying is that Disney

1123
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: is so like wanting to please everyone that in saying

1124
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: like Nazis are bad was not as hot a take

1125
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: as it is in fucking two thousand and nineteen, and

1126
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: so that that is most likely the reason why the

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01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: song was cut. The reason that they gave was like

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01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: that the I don't know the name of the actor

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01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: who's playing scar now Nazis ang will come to see

1130
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: some black people signs in Africa anyway, I don't know.

1131
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: I think I'll mispronounce it, but she would tell. So

1132
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: the argument used was that he's not a singer by trade,

1133
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Irons was a singer, so they can't have it.

1134
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: But clearly Disney pulls the ship all the like if

1135
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: the actor can't sing, you hire another actor. But they

1136
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: cut this, they cut the song, and yeah, I think

1137
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: that that's kind of a first of all, my one

1138
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs in the movie. But also it's

1139
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: just like if a Disney movie can give some anti

1140
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: Nazi messaging, now I would be a great time, very appropriate.

1141
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, speaking of Scar, should we talk about

1142
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: the queer coding of this and all Disney vieling. I

1143
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: was gonna say, do you know that James Admian bit

1144
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: James and he talks um he has a had a

1145
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: very wonderful bit a few years back, but I think

1146
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: it might still be in rotation about yeah pretty much.

1147
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean what you're gonna say that, like all Disney

1148
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: villains are gay? Yes, it's yeah, every Well, we'll link

1149
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: that in the description because it's like one of my

1150
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: favorite the dummy bits. Ever. Yes, I mean, Scar is

1151
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: one of the more notorious queer coded villains where, of course,

1152
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: you know coding, it's never explicitly stated, but through the

1153
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: way the characters speaks, moves, etcetera. Other coded queer Disney

1154
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: villains include Ursula uh and include whor else who else?

1155
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: We got again again from the villain from great Mouth,

1156
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 1: Detective the Governor Radcliffe from Contest. There's I mean, most

1157
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: Disney Renaissance movies follow this exact formula and have a

1158
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: queer coded villain, which you know, it's like it conflates

1159
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: queerness with evil. There's a lot of reclaiming that the

1160
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: queer community has done of the Disney villains. And if

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: you go to like they have Disney villain Knights at Disneyland.

1162
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: And I had a friend in Boston who would travel

1163
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: in a pack of ten gay men would fly to

1164
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: Florida to go to Disney viland like, there's a lot

1165
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: of reclaim this's taken place, but it is, I mean,

1166
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: it's it's, you know, a mostly straight group of writers, creators,

1167
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: animators um demonizing queer people. And since these movies are

1168
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: intended for children, children get the wrong messages about queer people.

1169
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: Even if they don't realize what's happening, their brains are interpreting.

1170
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot on the Aladdin episode,

1171
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: so I recommend revisiting that if she wants more. And

1172
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: then another thing that this and other Disney movies do

1173
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: is that they the way they're designed is that they

1174
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: tend to be darker, where all the lions except for

1175
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: Scar are like beige, yellowy tan, right, and then Scar

1176
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: has much darker for a much darker main. This also

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: happens again with Radigan, which I think, honestly, Great Mouth

1178
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: Detective might be my favorite Disney movie. And it also

1179
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: happens with Ursela. It was Ursula. She's purple and everyone

1180
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: else is white, and canonically, like, they don't do that,

1181
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: they don't funk with this in the in the Disney movie,

1182
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: but canonically she's supposed to be King Triton's sister. Yeah

1183
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: maybe half sister, yeah, but either way, like that is

1184
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: fully at play in that movie as well. Yeah, so's

1185
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: it's all black. She's rotund, which is supposed to be bad,

1186
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like everything, right. The the

1187
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: the heroes in Disney movies are animated and designed to

1188
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: be traditionally attractive by Western beauty standards. They're they're thin,

1189
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: they're white or light skinned or furred. Uh. They are

1190
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: young and pretty and all this stuff, and and straight.

1191
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: While the villains, especially from this kind of specific era

1192
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: and then even before that, were made to look darker.

1193
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: They were queer coded, they had different body shapes. And

1194
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 1: sizes and just yeah, all just demonizing anything that isn't

1195
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: uh and and again this is like because there has

1196
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: been a process of reclaiming these characters over time. It

1197
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: is like a complicated issue too. There is another piece

1198
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: that I read in uh Into that argues, because it

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: does seem like an adaptation choice, is that they're doing

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01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: away with the queer coding for Scar and this this

1201
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: author argues that that is sort of erasure of the

1202
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: only visibly queer character in the movie, and they're making

1203
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: him a straight villain, which means that there's no queer characters.

1204
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, it's Scott doesn't have sexuality, but

1205
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: to have him not play those stereotypes in a nefarious way, right, Like,

1206
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: that's good to do, you know what I mean? Right,

1207
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 1: I think there should be representation of queer characters, certainly

1208
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: in Disney and all movies. Every movie should be more queer.

1209
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: But again, so I'm saying, like an adaptation, you can

1210
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: find another character to have some visibility to It doesn't

1211
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: even have to be Scar. But right, it's almost like

1212
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,480
Speaker 1: whenever Disney tries to do it, it's so corny and disingenuous,

1213
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: Like with fucking Lafu and Beauty and the Beast where

1214
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: he's seen like dancing with another man and like we

1215
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: did it. We did it Visibility win and it's just

1216
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: like make yeah, make like tomone have a mere cat husband, right,

1217
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: and then like them be like actually happy together to

1218
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 1: be married. Some interspecies they are like literally life partners.

1219
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: We put them in Boa together. They've got they've got

1220
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: a condo. They're common law obviously, like a mere cat

1221
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: and a word hog aren't. Just like they didn't just

1222
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: fall together, they found each other. Yeah, you know what.

1223
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: I think it's explained in Lion King one how they

1224
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: first met and fell in UM. But yeah, I mean

1225
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: the queer coding debate is complicated when and I mean

1226
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't envy the writer who's in the position of

1227
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: deciding what stays and what goes UM, But there it is.

1228
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: Scar is a heavily queer coded villain for sure. Is

1229
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: there anything else anyone wants to talk about? I think

1230
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: that the last thing I had was the Elton John

1231
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: of it all. I was gonna ask you that when

1232
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about these kind of queerness and characters, and

1233
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, of course, to me, I can't even think

1234
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: about Lin King now without thinking about the Broadway show, right,

1235
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, and that being so linked. So please Jamie,

1236
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I'm ready. Oh I well, I

1237
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: just went into I guess get everyone's opinions because I

1238
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: don't even know how I mean, I know how I

1239
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: feel generally, But this so the Elton John being the

1240
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: composer and then Tim Rice does the lyrics. Um, Elton

1241
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: John is a queer artist, but they're both white guys

1242
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: who who do and and there's you know, well documented

1243
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: like they did a lot of research into African music,

1244
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: they hired some African musicians to sing, but they still

1245
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: are the people getting the main credits and getting the

1246
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: oscars and getting the majority for paying tribute to a

1247
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: lot of the musical tradition. But it's still ultimately two

1248
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: white guys who are getting the credit for it. I

1249
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know, Gland, know what I mean? We could have

1250
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: just put Graceland underlying King and it would have totally worked. Well,

1251
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: white people like working with other white people, do you

1252
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, just't gonna like who's who's

1253
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: someone we know? Okay, I don't want to feel uncomfortable today.

1254
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to worry about saying the

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Speaker 1: wrong word. Just gonna be a white person and John

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Speaker 1: some one where I don't, I don't. I just don't

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: want to be scared, you know what I mean. You're like,

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01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to engage in whatever it

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01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: could possibly be, you know what I mean, like whatever

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: it could possibly be, which is who knows. But I

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01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: mean he's he's a brilliant musician too, though he's I mean,

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Speaker 1: I saw a rocket Man, okay, off another racket to

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01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: see it. But I don't like biopics. Really, I'm a

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01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: Terran Edgerton stand though I like him. I think he's

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: like a cutie patuity. Only I did see all both Kingman,

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01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: if only for Taran Edgerton's thighs. You gotta see rocket Man?

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Speaker 1: Are they on display the whole time? Like he's wearing

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01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: He's wearing shorts for a lot of the movie. And

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Speaker 1: you're just like, like, I just I just want to

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01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: be closer to them, I say, al right, So can

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,799
Speaker 1: you feel the love tonight? Great song, very sexy. Timon

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Speaker 1: and Pumba's parts of that song are basically about how

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01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: a man entering into a relationship with a woman will

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: ruin your life because women are the old ball and chain,

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01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: like they're just like your care free bachelor life is

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: going to be fucked up if you go off with Nala.

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01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: The lyrics the song closes with in short, I'm not

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01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna say is due and then they burst into tears.

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01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: So the thought of like their single male line friend

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01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: like getting a girlfriend ruins them. I love it, but

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01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: also you have to realize it. It's been a decade

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01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: of a co dependent dynamic, right, It's really been just

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01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: the three of them hunting up grubs. And you're like, yeah,

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01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: I get why this is hard for you both. Sure

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: you know what, they haven't made a friend. I really don't, Simba.

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01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: I almost view of them as empty nesters. In that

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: song or there, it's like when you're when if your

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: parents are still somehow together when you when you leave

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01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: the nest, right, and they're like, oh now we have

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01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: to just like talk to each other again. So if

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01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: your parents are still somehow together when you leave the nest,

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: it was like personal backstory, let's unpack that. Um. But yeah,

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01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: just like they're they're gonna just hang out together again.

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01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 1: They're so quick to go back to like put themselves

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: in a harm's way when they're like, no, the third Friend, Well,

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01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: of course they want to go to Pride Rock because

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01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: of their queer pride. It's all symbolism, symbolism, title leaving.

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly excited to see the new movie. I am

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01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: so like whatever on reboot culture, but I am excited

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01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 1: to see it. I don't really need to see Lions.

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01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: If they only made it with people, i'd be interested.

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01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: But for some reason, I'm not here for like, like

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01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: I saw the animatronic Lion and it was like like

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01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: movies where it's like cool technology. Yeah, I don't feel

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01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: like that's like that for me does not draw me

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: into a movie. Usually, well what originally maybe when it

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01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: looked like it may be a Shot for Shot remake,

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01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: I was fully out, but like, at least they're making

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: some changes. It's because I'm more attached to Lion King

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01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: than any of the rereleases that have come out so far.

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01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 1: But Myles was showing me upstairs some of the early

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01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: like Beyonce as adult Nala and it looks like a

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01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: YouTube dub of like c g I Lions with a celebrity,

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01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: Like that's like what I'm not getting. Yeah, that's what

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01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean. And then like again, the things we can do,

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01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: Like what I love about old Disney is that like

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01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: people drew that ship. Yeah, now it's like you got

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01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: ten computer programs. You know. Obviously I know there's some

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01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: computer involved, especially in the stand Pete scene and some

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01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: bigger scenes. You guys do not come for me. I

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: see it. It was all fucking hey and drawn. But

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01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: what I am saying is you see the artist handed

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01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: world and you can like see like it's just even

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01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: like in just there's no Uncanny Valley and like the

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01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: expressions that the animals have where I'm worried that it

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01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: will be Uncanny Valley City with this new Lion King.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I want it to be good.

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01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: The only person I feel should be able to direct

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01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: motion capture movies is Andy Serkis. And if you I

1330
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: am a big Andy Serkis stan if you haven't seen

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01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: his Jungle Book movie that's on Netflix because it got

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: pushed to Netflix because Disney pushed up the release of

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01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: their shittier Lion King during bro and fabs. So you know,

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01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: Andy Serkis, he's got m he understands mo cap and

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01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: you can make it look amazing. H he is the

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01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: entire planet of the apes. They it's just like, let

1337
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: him handle this and let's just let's move on. Also,

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01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: this Lion King remake is a half hour longer than

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01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: so to everyone. I feel like the big the more

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01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: money they's in the movie, the longer they think it

1341
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: needs to be right, you know what I mean. Don't

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01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: make a kids movie two hours long. I was watching it,

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01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's like an hour twenty nine

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01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: minutes or something. The original and perfect. There it is,

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 1: And even then I felt the first thirty bit is

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01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: supposed to be blug. I will last thing I'll say

1347
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: is that Poomba, when they're all talking about what they

1348
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: think stars are, Pumba says that he thinks they are

1349
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: giant balls of gas burning billions of miles away. Pumba

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01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: is a wart hog in Stem. He knows, he knows. Okay,

1351
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 1: does this movie pass the Bechtel test. There is a

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01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: very quick exchange in the very beginning where there is

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: Nala's mom, so she's she's credit with the name, but

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01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: we don't know it. But Simpa's like, hey, Nala, let's

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01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: go to the watering hole, and then Nala's mom's like,

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01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: all right, I'll let you go. What do you think, Sarabi?

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01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: And then Sarabi says something like yeah, I guess it's okay.

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01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, we never learned Nala's mom's name. And also

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01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: the context of the conversation is can Nala go with

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01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: a boy with a watering hole? And they line and

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01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: they're going to the elephant graveyard? Yeah, so I think

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01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: Sep does. Yeah, there so should have been a scene

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01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: between like either young Nala and Sarabi, like after they

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01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: learn about Mafassa and Simba's death, and or Nala as

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01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: an adult with Sarabi talking about like, hey, let's kill Scar.

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01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: We can do that. I'm gonna go try to find help.

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01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: Here's my plan for us. Yeah. If you don't hear

1368
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: from me in two sundowns, I'm dead. So yeah, that's

1369
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: a no on the Bactel test. Yeah, let's reade the

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01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: movie Zero to five Nipples based on its portrayal of women. Yikes, gang,

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01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: it's not too good. Sorry to say. The women are strong, yes,

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01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: so they don't do much with that strength. They don't. Yeah,

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01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: they don't get to really do anything. Yeah, I think

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01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: it's somewhere around there. I feel I'm feeling half a nip.

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01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: Just too bad because the potential for better use of

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01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: the female characters. They're they're, they're physically, they're What about

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01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: the sequel where it's a daughter the daughter, I I

1378
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: don't remember enough in detail. I know a lot of

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01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: the story revolves around a forbidden romance with because if

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01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: there's a girl character, there's got to be a boy

1381
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: character who she wants to kiss. I'm Kiara. I don't

1382
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: know that she may have many wonderful qualities that escaped me.

1383
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Um. Katie Golden has something to say

1384
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: about Lyon King to also she says, I have more

1385
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 1: beef with Lion King too. In this movie. Covu Scarce

1386
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: son also scar when I or he was like part

1387
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: of scars had ten years to fuck. Covu teaches Chiara,

1388
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: which is Simba's daughter, to hunt, which is ridiculous because

1389
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: females are the more proficient and more frequent hunters, although

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01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: males do hunt some. So yeah, that's that's what Katie

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01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: had to say. So thank you very much once again,

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01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: thanks for all of that, and listen to Creature Feature

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Speaker 1: half a nip for me half and can get back

1396
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: to young Nala same yeah, yeah, plug your stuff, Naomi,

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01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,360
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Speaker 1: Other than that, I think we just just should all

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01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: remember about the circle of life, how it moves us all.

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01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 1: I love how yeah they the like opening sequence of

1424
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: this movie is like momento more kids, you will one

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Speaker 1: day die here, like a lot of hard truths in landing,

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Speaker 1: a lot of hard truths that well you're gonna You're

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