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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hamber Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode three, This zero three. My name is

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Speaker 1: Brad Roland. I am joined today. I'm a good friend

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Speaker 1: Scott Coleman. Scott. Is the first episode of December. We

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Speaker 1: are into the holiday season in full force. How are you,

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Speaker 1: my friend?

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Speaker 2: Hello Brad, It is good as always to see you

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Speaker 2: and I hope everybody out there had a happy and

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Speaker 2: safe Thanksgiving. And you know we're making progress into the

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Speaker 2: off season. As of recording this or when folks are listening,

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Speaker 2: we are about a week away from the Winter Meetings,

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Speaker 2: which gets started on December seventh, and maybe we'll get

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Speaker 2: some more activity there. We have seen a little bit

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Speaker 2: more activity across the league. Of course, the Braves made

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Speaker 2: a couple moves early as well, so fingers crossed a

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Speaker 2: busy couple weeks ahead before kind of everything goes silent

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Speaker 2: around Christmas and New Year's. But we have about three

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we might do like a Winter Meetings preview letter

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Speaker 1: this week if nothing else is going on, but we

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Speaker 1: are week from away from that, like you said, and

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Speaker 1: the draft lottery happens then, which the Braves are actually

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Speaker 1: invested in this time around. That's an odd feeling that

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about. But by the way, if anybody missed it,

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Speaker 1: Scott did a great interview with our old friend Carlos

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Speaker 1: Closma Baseball America that dropped on the feed during Thanksgiving week.

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Speaker 1: Good prospect content, far system rankings, and all kinds of

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Speaker 1: things that I am not equip to talk about as

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Speaker 1: well as my old friend Carlos's. So that was good

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Speaker 1: to listen to passively on the road, as I'm sure

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Speaker 1: many of you did as well. Also, I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: you and I a couple of weeks ago gathered to

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Speaker 1: do kind of a relief pitcher market primer. Perhaps it

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Speaker 1: was like, hey, here's all the guys that Brave might

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Speaker 1: do this now. And we were pressia in that one time.

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Speaker 1: We're usually not prescient, Scott, we were at that point

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Speaker 1: in time because the Braves then went out and sign

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Speaker 1: russall Glaciers thoughts about it shortly after that. Today we're

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Speaker 1: going to do the starting pitching version of that discussion

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Speaker 1: as our first show in December. And I like to

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Speaker 1: say that that was an original idea that we had,

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Speaker 1: but also it was kind of prompted by what happened

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Speaker 1: the last several days in the market. While most guys

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Speaker 1: have not signed yet, still I know that's your favorite thing.

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Speaker 1: It has happened, some stuff has happened, and most of

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Speaker 1: it's been geared toward the pitching market. So basically, in

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Speaker 1: response to two things that have happened, we're doing this

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Speaker 1: one of them. I have to just throw your way

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Speaker 1: because we've talked about Sunny Gray for years and I

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Speaker 1: really kind of thought it might happen this time around, Scott.

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Speaker 2: It didn't.

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Speaker 1: It didn't happen this time around. Sunny Gray is not

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Speaker 1: going to be a brave He's going to Boston instead.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, you know, Red, We're going to keep the

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Speaker 2: dream going. And if folks are new, it's a bit.

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Speaker 2: I don't actually think Sonny Gray is like a top

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Speaker 1: On a couple of people like, yes you do, Yes

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Speaker 1: you do. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: He is my Charlie Morton to you.

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Speaker 1: That's that's exactly where I actually almost madly that joke

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Speaker 1: on Twitter the night that had happened. So Greg got trades.

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Speaker 1: If people didn't notice, great Greg got trades at Boston.

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Speaker 1: A lot of money went back to Saint Louis to

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Speaker 1: get him to go to Boston. It's not a bravest thing.

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Speaker 1: So we won't talk about much more beyond that, but

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Speaker 1: we did genuinely think it was interesting to talk about

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Speaker 1: because Sonny Gray is very bravesy and I know you

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Speaker 1: like him. He's been your white Will. But also like,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't shocking that he didn't come to the Braves.

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Speaker 1: What's a situation where we're like deciding he was definitely coming.

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Speaker 1: But it does make for good podcasting. It's a good bit.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I will say about the Sunny Gray

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Speaker 2: bet if he becomes a free agent again in a year.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, baby, subscribe follow hit the bell because we

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Speaker 2: will talk about Sonny Gray in twenty twenty six. But

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Speaker 2: until then, you know, I think the equivalent, the Braves

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Speaker 1: I agree, you know it would have been I thought

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Speaker 1: for all parties. It wasn't like a grand Slam to

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving was the Toronto Blue Jays because they don't have

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Speaker 2: And man, it's a lot of money. Good for Dylan

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Speaker 2: sees One more time. I just want to hammer home

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Speaker 1: Year and four point five people were. People kept saying

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Speaker 1: Actually, no, he is number one. Check I just check.

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Speaker 2: They need to add a starting pitcher who you would

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Speaker 1: Fam Okay Scott, the big name we thought was most

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Speaker 1: for one point fifty six for one sixty eight is

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Speaker 1: what ESPN had on Thedez. I'd be surprised. I wouldn't

433
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Speaker 1: hate it, to be one hundred percent clear, I would

434
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Speaker 1: not hate it. I'd rather go shorter, So five would

435
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Speaker 1: be better than six on a guy who's already his thirties,

436
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Speaker 1: like that's most of the guys on this list. But yeah,

437
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Speaker 1: I'd be fine. Suarez, the projections are in a more

438
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Speaker 1: reasonable range. You know, five for one fifteen is a

439
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Speaker 1: number that's out there on end Trade Roumors five for

440
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Speaker 1: one thirty at Fancrafts, four for ninety two at ESPN.

441
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Speaker 1: That is much more in the traditional Alex zone. I

442
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Speaker 1: will also just say this says I have to mention

443
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Speaker 1: earlier Alex has still never given out a big money

444
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Speaker 1: deal on a starting pitcher in free agency. The one

445
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Speaker 1: guy he has paid long term with Strider, and that

446
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Speaker 1: is an internal buy out some arbitration years move that's

447
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Speaker 1: a different kind of thing. Also, that's still not at

448
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Speaker 1: the level of this type of money on a per

449
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Speaker 1: on annual basis. So the first time he does this

450
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Speaker 1: will be the first time he's never done this before.

451
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Speaker 1: With that said, I think, after you know, talking to

452
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Speaker 1: you a little bit, this is a guy in Suarez.

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Speaker 1: If these numbers are right, Scott, would you be interested

454
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Speaker 1: in Rangers Juarez at the projection numbers?

455
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Speaker 2: So I will say this, if let's say MLB trade

456
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Speaker 2: rumors is correct on Ranger Suarez and gets five years

457
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Speaker 2: and one hundred and fifteen million dollars, so that's five

458
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Speaker 2: years at twenty three million dollars per year, I would

459
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Speaker 2: be ecstatic about that deal. Now, maybe it's because Ranger

460
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Speaker 2: Swarrez has just absolutely dog walked the Braves, for he

461
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Speaker 2: hears at this point and you'd be stealing him from

462
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Speaker 2: a division rival in Philadelphia. But Suarez is just he's

463
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Speaker 2: so good, so consistent. He's thirty years old, so he's

464
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Speaker 2: not too old where you start to worry about a

465
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Speaker 2: real fall off. Over the last four years, Ranger Suarez

466
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Speaker 2: has a three point three eight ERA, a three point

467
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Speaker 2: five to four FIP. I think he would also benefit

468
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Speaker 2: from an improved infield defense with the Braves compared to

469
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Speaker 2: what he had with the Phillies. And I mean, he's

470
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Speaker 2: just he has been so consistent. He's also a postseason performer.

471
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Speaker 2: Suarez has performed very well in the playoffs his entire career,

472
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Speaker 2: often against Atlanta, much to our chagrin. So yeah, I mean,

473
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Speaker 2: of every player we're going to talk about tonight. I

474
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Speaker 2: know it's a significant money investment. I know that you

475
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Speaker 2: would lose a draft pick for signing Wars, But if

476
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Speaker 2: we got the push alert tomorrow morning that the Brave

477
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Speaker 2: signs swore as to five years and one hundred and

478
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Speaker 2: ten hundred and fifteen million dollars, I would be ecstatic.

479
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Speaker 2: I would be I sit down when I record this podcast, Brad,

480
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: but I would be jumping up and down and blowing

481
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Speaker 2: out our audio and making life hell for you.

482
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Speaker 1: I do think I agree, I would like it. I

483
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Speaker 1: do think he's also a little bit younger than somebody.

484
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Speaker 1: He's only thirty and just turned thirty in August, So

485
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Speaker 1: if you want to go a little longer, that's not

486
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Speaker 1: as as concerning potentially not as durable as well as

487
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Speaker 1: or as cis. His cap has been like one hundred

488
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Speaker 1: and sixty innings in his career. I don't know if

489
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Speaker 1: that's a firm cap, but like he's he's missed some

490
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Speaker 1: time in each of the last four seasons. He's not

491
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Speaker 1: pitched every single week, which is not no disaster seasons.

492
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Speaker 1: Like he's pitch enough, but it's not like he's been

493
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Speaker 1: a total work horse either.

494
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Speaker 2: I was looking into this a little bit more like

495
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Speaker 2: Swarez miss time last year he had a groin contusion

496
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Speaker 2: because he got hit by a comeback fastball. Like it's

497
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: more a christ cell zone of like weirdness than like

498
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: actual he had. I think he picked up a mild

499
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: forearm strain when pitching in the World Baseball Classic like

500
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: three years ago, but that went away. There's nothing, at

501
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: least without being able to see his medicals. There's there's

502
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: not chronic shoulder problems here where it's like, dear God,

503
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: we could be one pitch away and all of a

504
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: sudden that contract is going up in flames. Yeah, and

505
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: also I mean he's he's a lita getting soft contact,

506
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 2: like he's not a huge shrikeout guy, but like it's effective,

507
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: like all of the there's no smoking mirrors here, Like

508
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Speaker 2: his era is three point three eight, like you said

509
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Speaker 2: fit at three point five, Like there's no, it's not

510
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: a blow up situation. Like I think it's really a

511
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Speaker 2: relatively projectable skill set that should last for a while.

512
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Speaker 2: And if it's twenty three million a year, twenty four

513
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Speaker 2: million a year for five or less years, I would

514
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Speaker 2: be I would be on that just because I think

515
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Speaker 2: he's meaningfully. I never I never want to use the

516
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Speaker 2: words on a picture pitching's not safe. No such projectible.

517
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Speaker 2: That is what I will use instead of the words safe.

518
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're in on that, at least at the

519
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: number that's been bandied about. We'll see if that's the

520
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: actual number, because Sees came in above his number. For example,

521
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: he's the only.

522
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Speaker 1: Guy we have a number one so far, The next

523
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: two guys are a little bit lower omni projections, but

524
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Speaker 1: they're in the kind of a tier by themselves. Michael

525
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: King Zach Gallon very different profiles. Zach Gallon is like

526
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Speaker 1: a former Top five so young guy multiple times like

527
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Speaker 1: really really, really good and last year was not particularly good.

528
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: Michael King more of a late bloomer, was a reliever

529
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Speaker 1: at one point, innings were down last year, but since

530
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Speaker 1: he's become a starter, he's been basically awesome. So do

531
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Speaker 1: you have like they're not exactly the same situation, but

532
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Speaker 1: a lot of the projections are very similar, like a

533
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Speaker 1: twenty ish million dollars a year profile for these guys,

534
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Speaker 1: Do you have a preference between the two Michael King

535
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Speaker 1: versus Zach Gallen?

536
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Speaker 2: So both for King and Gallon, MLB trade rumors projected

537
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: four years in eighty million dollars, so twenty million a year.

538
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: That's a lower financial investment than a Ranger Suarez or

539
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: fram Ra Valvez and much less than Dylanc's. But they're

540
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: also have more questions than those guys. I actually sent

541
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Speaker 2: out a poll, I said, did a survey on Twitter

542
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: on Sunday, and I was a little surprised, So I

543
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: said if they got their projected contracts, and that's a

544
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: big if. But if Suarez, King and Gallon got their

545
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: projected contracts four years eighty million for King and Gallon

546
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: and five years and one hundred and fifteen million for Suarez,

547
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: which pitcher would you have the Braves take? And to

548
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: my surprise, the winner of that poll was Michael King

549
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: at forty five percent of the vote. I wouldn't have

550
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: guessed that. Maybe I'm maybe I I was off.

551
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: But I wonder, I wonder, I'm wondering out loud. I

552
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: wonder if there's a little bit of anti Phillies in

553
00:26:54,400 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: your sample, considering Brave fans follow you on Twitter, or

554
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: perhaps people are I think that maybe King has the

555
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: highest upside of the three as well. Maybe, like if

556
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: you look at just the numbers the last two years,

557
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: for example, sistic mostically he became a starter. He has

558
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: the best numbers of the three because the ra is

559
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: two point nine or so in the last two and

560
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: a half years. And if that's the big shye number

561
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: you're aware of, I don't know if Brace fans did

562
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: the research on this. Also, He's it's not one hundred

563
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: million dollars, you know, what I mean that that extra

564
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: digit on the number tends to swing things. So if

565
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: they were looking for him versus Suarez, perhaps the one

566
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: hundred plus number through them off as well. But hey,

567
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 1: that's not it. That is interesting. I'm surprised that that too.

568
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: And I really like Michael King. And if folks feel like,

569
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: where have I seen Michael King pitch? He pitched Game

570
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Speaker 2: one of the wild Card round. He hear go against

571
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: the Braves, and I know that team was just dead

572
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: and running on fumes, but I mean, that was about

573
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: as bad as I've ever seen in Atlanta team perform

574
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: offensively in a playoff game. But you know, the big

575
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: problem in question with kan is can and he stay

576
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: healthy because he's basically had one one healthy full season

577
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: in the major leagues. That was twenty twenty four. He

578
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: was one of legitimately one of the best pitchers in baseball,

579
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: but this past season he only threw seventy three innings.

580
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: He had a pinch nerve and then a knee problem.

581
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: But when he's been on the mound, Michael King has

582
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: been really good and really effective. So that is kind

583
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: of the opposite of what we have talked about for

584
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: the last month. And a half on this podcast of

585
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: bringing somebody with a track record of durability, as much

586
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: as that means in modern day baseball, King is not that.

587
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: But you can also say, well, this guy doesn't have

588
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 2: a thousand innings on his arm and elbow and shoulder.

589
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: Maybe he's going to be more fresh than your typical

590
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: thirty year old and if you could get him at

591
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year, I would also similarly be

592
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: very happy if the Braves did that deal. Yeah, I

593
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: would personally, it will spoil this. I would personally do

594
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: either of the I think, did you use mbitrir rumors

595
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: for your poll? What numbers were using?

596
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I would do either either Suarez or King right now,

597
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: sign me up. I probably would not do Gallon personally,

598
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Now what I would I be offended if they did. No,

599
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I would not, because it would you know, it's again,

600
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: it's not my money, It's not crazy. But Gallon is

601
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: the interesting for me. They're all interesting in different ways.

602
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: But Gallen over three year sample size, was literally taught

603
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: to picture of baseball. Before last year from twenty twenty

604
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: two to twenty twenty four, si On voats every season.

605
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I think he was like seven or eight in total

606
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: fangrafts war over three years. He was awesome with the

607
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Dyamondbacks last year. To be very clear, it was not

608
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: just an Era problem. We already made fun of Era

609
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: as the only arbiter of success. It wasn't just Era.

610
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: Like I saw the RA just to take it behind

611
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: the curtain a little bit. We were doing the prep

612
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: for this for this podcast. I saw the IRA and

613
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, started to do my little half,

614
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: my little half half dig I'm like, oh, that's not good.

615
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: Next next, Dick. Oh that's not good either. Like there's

616
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: a lot of little things that were worrying to me

617
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: about Gallon. He's only thirty, but his stuff plus, which

618
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: is an advanced metric, crashed. Like if that tells you,

619
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: like just the pure stuff he's throwing was not the

620
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: same last year you pointed this out. His breaking his

621
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: breaking ball stuff in stat cast was like literally one

622
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Speaker 1: extreme to the other within one season. So I'll leave

623
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Speaker 1: it to you, Like what do you make of Zach Gallen,

624
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: Like he's I'm reading everything about Zach Allen after today,

625
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: like all the projections that everyone's kind of doing the

626
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: shrug emoji right now, Like no one was supposed to

627
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: do with Zach Gallen. And that's the way I feel too, honestly,

628
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: thoughts he is.

629
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Speaker 2: An interesting by low. If you feel like you can

630
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: get Zach Gallen back to what he was a couple

631
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: of seasons ago, yep. I will say, and I'm out

632
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: here in Arizona that if you walked around Chase Field

633
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: and said, hello, Diamondbacks fan, would you like to sign

634
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Zach Gallen to a four year, eighty million dollar contract?

635
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: I bet ninety percent would say absolutely not. In no

636
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: world would I pay Gallon twenty million dollars a year

637
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: for the next four years. And that might just be

638
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: fan opinion, And I'd be fascinated to know if front

639
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: offices feel like they could fix him. Maybe Jeremy Hefner

640
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: sees something with Zach Gallon and goes, oh my gosh,

641
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: we can we can move you know, we can get

642
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: some more break on his breaking balls and get more

643
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: vertical drop on his you know whatever. Whatever a pitching

644
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: coach sees that people like you and I and those

645
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: watching the show would never really have insight into. But

646
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: to me, if that projection from trade rumors is correct,

647
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: I would absolutely pass on Zach Gallen. I almost wonder

648
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: if he might end up taking a one year pillow

649
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: deal to try to get some some value back if

650
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: it's a if it's a short.

651
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Well then I was gonna say, if there's ever a team,

652
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: m I give a one year deal out Scott, we

653
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: cover that team, I think.

654
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be an interesting of course, again, though

655
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: you're only doing one year, you might you're giving up

656
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: a draft pick in order to do it. That's that's

657
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: a consideration. But yeah, clearly for me, unless it's like

658
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: the most favorable contract of all time, I'm probably out

659
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: on Gallon and we'll let some other team take him

660
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: and if he's awesome then then good for you. Yeah, I.

661
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 1: Don't think it's crazy. I don't like there's there are

662
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: people people that do these projections are smart full stop.

663
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Like they're not always right, but they're very smart, and

664
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: they're probably hearing things too when they're doing the projections.

665
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: So like, it should not surprise anyone if he gets

666
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: this kind of contract, because there is a lot to

667
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: like if you go if you ignore last year just

668
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: results wise and look at the arm and the history.

669
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: He's only thirty, he's not old. Like if there's something

670
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: in there. And the Braves are actually known for this,

671
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: Like if they see something in a profile that they

672
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: like and it's like, hey, we could just kind of

673
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: trim the corner here, trim the corner here and focus

674
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: on this, they will do that and they have done

675
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: that with success in the past, so that maybe that's

676
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: that down. I don't know if it's going to happen,

677
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: but my reaction would not be as negative as Diamondbacks

678
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: fans because you know this, Scott, Like you cover a team,

679
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: there's a guy or two on that team that the

680
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: fan base is lower on, then they probably should be

681
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: like compared to like the rest of the league. Of course,

682
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: that's what happens. And Gallon was bad last year. He

683
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: was I mean, that's that's the thing, full stop, like

684
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: e ra a four point eight, fifth of four point

685
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: five and not fake like that was that's the way

686
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: he pitched. So if I'm if I'm a DBAX fan,

687
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: it's like harder almost to have that guy come back

688
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: at that number having just seen it and people like

689
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: us who we see it, but we would we have

690
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: we have to watch it every every fifth day, right, Yeah,

691
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: we didn't have to see the see the whole meltdown there.

692
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: So alas, there you have it. But uh, yeah, Gallon

693
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: is interesting, but it sounds like you and I agree

694
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: that we would prefer Swarrez or King at their number

695
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: over over Gallon at his number.

696
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely he will beleave it there.

697
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, as for I believe it's I'm

698
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: gonna go with em I and if I'm wrong, I apologize.

699
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Twenty seven year od Ray Hender. He was awesome in

700
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: MPB last year. We've gotten zero buzz on the Braves

701
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: being interested in these super high dollar Japanese players. Doesn't

702
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: mean they won't do it, but until there's buzz, like,

703
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm inclined to just be like, maybe we'll have to

704
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: wait and see. I do know we've talked about Kawakami earlier,

705
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: but that's why we haven't talked about Emi more like,

706
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's gonna be what the Braves do.

707
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: And there's I've tried to find any link anywhere and

708
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: no one's spectioned in the Brison. So that's why we

709
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: have fun about a lot.

710
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: I think the early front runners, Giants, Mariners, maybe the

711
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: Padre like there, it's historically and not every players the same,

712
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: but historically it's been the West Coast teams California and Seattle,

713
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: and then the New York teams have been where most players,

714
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: most Asian players come over and play in. Not always

715
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: there's exceptions, And I would love to get a pipeline

716
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: open for the Braves, but it might be tough. I'm

717
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: not holding my breath on that signing well.

718
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: And the projections also, like for instance, trade rivers, which

719
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: we've been using the most six for one point fifty

720
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: plus posting fee, So that would be the biggest deals

721
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: given out by a ton plus posting fee. And that's

722
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: that's a different Maybe ay, he's a younger, interesting picture

723
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: could be awesome, but similar with Yamamoto. Were like we

724
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: talked about when when Yamamoto came over, like hey, they'd

725
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: be great to sign Yamamoto, and then they got three

726
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. It's like, well, that wasn't gonna happen.

727
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: It seems like we'll move on, all right, Scott. More

728
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: to come, names like Merrill, Kelly, Chris Bassett, Lucas Gilito

729
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: not quite a sexy but certainly mid rotation names and

730
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: more coming up in just a second after from our partners.

731
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: All right, Scott, Let's continue with some less sexy names,

732
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: but names that I think at least there's a few

733
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: more on this list that I think are like very

734
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: clearly like third starter types, which may not seem awesome,

735
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: but those are valuable pictures, like guys who are projected

736
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: to make seventeen eighteen million dollars a year, like not

737
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna blow you away, but certainly names that are interesting.

738
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: And unsurprisingly, a couple of these names are older. Chris

739
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Bassett is one of these names. He'll be thirty seven

740
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: before opening day. He's about as boring as possible, and

741
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: I mean that in an endearing way. I appreciate this

742
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: kind of picture. But he's been a two plus win

743
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: as in wins a replacement pitcher every year since twenty nineteen.

744
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: He just plugs along with an era of like three

745
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: point nine every year. He's a good pitcher. But he also,

746
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: like last year, for instance, in Toronto, wasn't starting games

747
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: by the end like the granted Toronto was loaded and

748
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: then made the World Series, but he's more of a

749
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: three to four inter rotation. And that's all Almost most

750
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: of all these guys that are remaining are basically that picture.

751
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: So thoughts on Bassett, and then I'll bring up the

752
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: guy that I actually kind of love for the Braves next.

753
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: His name is Merril Kelly. But Chris Bassett. First thoughts.

754
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: It would be boring. I think we would. We would

755
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: come on the show and say, look, he's durable, he's reliable,

756
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: He's better than some of the other options the Braves

757
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: have internally as their number four starter. But yeah, I

758
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: mean it goes back. Do I feel good about giving

759
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: Chris Bassett the ball in game two or game three

760
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: of a short series. Probably not.

761
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: I think it'd be fine in a game through. This

762
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: is more nitpicking. I think he is a three that

763
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: you'd like to be here four, like on a great team.

764
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: He's probably where you'd like to be your four. I

765
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: do think he's pretty good. The upside is like non insistent, though,

766
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: Like his upside is like three point sixty RA instead

767
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: of four point one, you know what I mean. Not sexy,

768
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: but kind of in the late career Morton zone. Not

769
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: that everything is Charlie Morton, but like, I'm okay with

770
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: giving this kind of picture. An eighteen million dollars a

771
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: year contract for one year, and that sounds like a

772
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: lot of money, but it's not like for one year

773
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 1: in baseball. That is what this is what these guys

774
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: get paid, that's what this kind of picture is worth

775
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: on the market. That's just flat out what it is

776
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: all of these guys. So we'll go through it that and.

777
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, that's where you and I disagree. I yeah,

778
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: and that's good because we agree on a lot of things.

779
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: But correct if they sign Chris Bassett or Merrill Kelly

780
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 2: or Lucas Giolito coming off an elbow injury or Tyler

781
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: Mallley like these types. Okay, I'm not gonna lie to you.

782
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna be like super pissed that the Braves added,

783
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: especially given the way the last two off seasons go,

784
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: but it would be pretty like like if I get

785
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: that push alert, I'm gonna be like, nah, I do.

786
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I think, let me clarify my position.

787
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's like an exciting the only move

788
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: you do thing with the start in rotation. I think

789
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I would like that more than you would and more

790
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: than some would. But I also think that you're the

791
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: Braves probably need to do a little bit more than that.

792
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: As far as like, they don't have to sign Suarez

793
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: or King, but I would rather, as we're gonna do

794
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: later on, I would rather trade for Joe Ryan than

795
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: sign Chris Bassett. You know what I mean, absolutely that

796
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: kind of thing. What I'm not saying that Chris Bassett's awesome,

797
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: He's not. But if it's free agency, for instance, here's

798
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: my counter. If it's Zach Gallon at market price or

799
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: Chris Bassett market price, Chris Bassett every time, for me,

800
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: i'd rather if I'm gonna pay, if I'm gonna pay

801
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: the market almost on that kind of picture, I'll take

802
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: the shorter term guy. For it to be someone that

803
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: I give four years to five years to they got

804
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: to be. I gotta be convinced that they're a top

805
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, they're real, top location kind of level guy.

806
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: No necessary an ace. But like I'm convinced of that

807
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: with Rayder Suarez, I'm convinced of that with Michael King

808
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: when he's healthy. Zach Dollan, I'm not convinced of that.

809
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: Chris Malas Chris mass is not that either. And I

810
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: actually like Mary Kelly more than Chris Bassett, which we'll

811
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: get to in a second I guess, but you're right,

812
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: Like I I would like that more. But I'm not

813
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: saying that Braves need to just do that and then

814
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: stop like I'm not. I'm not on that train. I

815
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: just would like that more and more more so if

816
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: the Braves did like two of those, I would be

817
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: like more okay with it then not. But uh, if

818
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: they if all they do, I will you know what

819
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: mark this down December first if all they saw, If

820
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: all the Braves do is signed Meryl Kelly or Chris Bassett,

821
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: I won't hate it like some people will, but I

822
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: won't love it either, even if it's kind of off

823
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: brand for me, makes sense.

824
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: The challenge is sure, if you could get Chris Bassett

825
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: for eight million, ten million, twelve million, and then.

826
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, add an impact hitter and add that's just not

827
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: the market though, like for these guys, like it tends

828
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: to be like they they maybe maybe twelve, Like maybe

829
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: one of these guys signs for twelve instead of seventeen.

830
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: But the projections also, I mean Bassett two for thirty eight,

831
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: one for seventeen, two for thirty four, Mary Kelly two

832
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: for thirty six, one for twenty one, two for thirty five,

833
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: like that, that's just the price of these Charlie could

834
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: get twenty million a year. I'm not saying it was

835
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: an awesome contract. That's that's what the market was going

836
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: to pay out for this kind of picture. Even Tyler Mallley,

837
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: who has like way less record of success, is projected

838
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: to get fifteen million, not fifty million dollars a year.

839
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Like that's just what these guys cost. So but your

840
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: your point is also valid, Like then don't do it, okay,

841
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I just my my entire I

842
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: think I think I'm more of a contrarian sometimes to

843
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: just say, yeah, these guys cost money, Like pictures like

844
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: this cost money and you don't have to pay it.

845
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: But that's it's not outrageous that he would get seventeen

846
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. That's what's one of my main

847
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: stance is like it's okay, you're paying for the production

848
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: and that, But the other side is there isn't a

849
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: lot of upside And I would definitely agree with you

850
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: on that, like there are there are more upside ways

851
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: to spend seventeen million dollars with Chris Bassett.

852
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: This middle tier is my breaking point of I would

853
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: rather go make a trade because truthfully, yeah, there's only

854
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: so many prospects in the system. I mean, after talking

855
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: to Carlos at Baseball America and hearing his kind of

856
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: objective take about the prospects in the system, there's like

857
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: one or maybe two guys, right, I'd really feel the

858
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: pain if the Raves traded them to get a Pablo

859
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: Lopez or a Joe Ryan or any of you know me,

860
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: my longtime stance is basically, trade anybody that's not ron

861
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: on Acunya, like he's the only guy, like basically ever

862
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: that I was like, Nope, can't trade him, even Dre

863
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: and obviously Baldwin now you can't trade. But like even

864
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: ball when a year ago I would have been wrong,

865
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: But I would have trade a ball when a year

866
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: ago I would if they got Garrett Crochet back.

867
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a top tier guy. I'm not saying you're

868
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: trading for notes for whatever, but like, pick your favorite guy,

869
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: whether it's Cam and Eddy or whoever number one person is.

870
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: If it's a good enough player, I am you know,

871
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for your service. Camp We'll shake

872
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: hands and that'll be the end of it. You're You're

873
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: not on the level of the guys we can't trade.

874
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah you it would have to be somebody good.

875
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, so this group, this kind of middle tier

876
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: veteran boring can make twenty five starts for your next

877
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: year and won't kill you.

878
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: But the upside is what it is. That's where I'm like,

879
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: you know what, let's go, let's go trade. Let's go

880
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: try to get a you know, one of the guys

881
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: from the Twins, or try to get Mackenzie Gore from

882
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: the Nationals, or see if you can kind of buy

883
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: low on like San Dielo Contra from the Marlins or

884
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: someone who we probably won't even think of. And that's

885
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: this is going to go get.

886
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: It is hard to do, is trade. It's easier on

887
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: starters to do trades. Like we kind of just didn't

888
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: even try to do trades on the Reliever show because

889
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: it's like good luck trying to figure out who's available

890
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: and whatever. We'll na have some guys in the second

891
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: on the startering market that are like either we know

892
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: we're available or like seem to be kind of available.

893
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: That make a lot of sense. And yeah, a lot

894
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: of these guys that we just talked about briefly, like

895
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: you're Joe Ryan Types or whoever are better than Chris Bassett.

896
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: They're better than Maryll Kelly, so that gives you the

897
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: reason to do that. The last name I do want

898
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: to mention just because I already tease it a little bit.

899
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: I like Merrill Kelly, I think more than most people do.

900
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: He's old to thirty seven on brand for me, but

901
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: he is literally fourteenth in baseball and innings pitched over

902
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: the last six seasons. Like he just pitches every freaking

903
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: fifth day, like he's just gonna be out there and

904
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: be and he's good. Like he doesn't walk anybody. Projections

905
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: are like three point eight era FIP level. That's not great.

906
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: But like I think Merrill Kelly is like I would

907
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: like to have MARYL. Kelly in my rotation. Nobody's safe.

908
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Not he's the words safe, but I like him more

909
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: than Bassett. He's my favorite of the mid tier and

910
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: another guy I'd rather have than than Zach Allen at

911
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: their price. If you want, we we do. We do

912
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: agree that the trade guys are more interesting. But as

913
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: far as like if you told me the Braves are

914
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: gonna do a bravezy deal and for agency, which for

915
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: me is a one or two year deal. He's the

916
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: one for me unless someone's market falls apart, like obviously

917
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: if someone is you know, if Michael King's market falls

918
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: apart and he gets one year and twenty five million,

919
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: like I would prefer to do that for sure, but

920
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: sure of somebody like that. If it's if it's a

921
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Alex as an Alex deal, I would give it to

922
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Merrill Kelly. That's the guy.

923
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: This is getting into the range as well, where it's like, Okay,

924
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: maybe you sign Meryl Kelly for the rotation and it's

925
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: awfully boring, but you save money. You go sign Hasan

926
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: Kim to play short stuff every day, and you go

927
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: trade for an outfield DH bat who makes decent money,

928
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: and you go out and sign a reliever or to

929
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: not an a list guy because they have a glaciers.

930
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: But that's kind of how without knowing what kind of

931
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: budget and thoughpless has to work with, where it's kind

932
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: of that that shifting scale of Okay, we can add elsewhere,

933
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: but it means we've got to be boring in the

934
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: rotation as long as it's significant enough additions to round

935
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: out the rest of the roster. Then I would not

936
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 2: lose my mind over Merrill Kelly.

937
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad you said that because we might

938
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: have new listeners that are not familiar with all of

939
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: our takes, like almost all of these are like if

940
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: you spend elsewhere, Like one of the people from Foul Territory,

941
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: they clipped something that we talked about last time, you

942
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: and I talked about basically the shortstop discussion with Mauricio Dubaan,

943
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: and essentially like emphasizing that it's okay to have that

944
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: player be your shortstop if Giant, if you spend the

945
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: money somewhere else. Yeah, and that's my general take on

946
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: sorry pitching too, if you were to do something like

947
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Meryl Kelly or Chris Bassett, if you use your resources

948
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: somewhere else to improve the club, Like, we agree on

949
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: that wholeheartedly. And I think there is an argument. I'm

950
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: not gonna still gonna make it, but I've seen it

951
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: on the internet and I think it's not crazy. I

952
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: have poked fun at people that think the Braves are

953
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: just like cool with a rotation because they have all

954
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: these number of names or whatever. That's silly to me.

955
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: But given that they do, you do us upside in

956
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: your rotation with swallow Bach, Strider, Waldrip like, you could

957
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: argue that a safer low ceiling option in the rotation

958
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: in particular is not crazy to give you some more safety,

959
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: even though I don't. I don't like that word because

960
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: you do actually have a path to upside, whereas in

961
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: other areas you may not have that same path to upside.

962
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, no, we sit off the top. If

963
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: the Braves get healthy seasons. I have a hard time

964
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: seeing thirty starts from Chris Sale not being amazing. And

965
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: similarly for yeah exactly and even Strider to it maybe

966
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: a lesser extent, which is kind of because I also

967
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: think he might if he just figured some things out

968
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: this offseason, Streider might somehow have the highest upside of

969
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: all three of those guys, given sales getting up there

970
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: in age. But yes, I mean we south the top.

971
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: Will say again if the biggest improvements the Braves can

972
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: have year over year is they're stars performing like stars again,

973
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: But we just we can't take that risk like they

974
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: have to add this offseason and it seems like they're

975
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: going to otherwise. I have major questions about giving Iglesias

976
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: in Dubon twenty two million dollars guaranteed ten days into

977
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: the off season. I probably would have swung a little

978
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: higher on that end, but I don't know. Probably a

979
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: discussion for another day and hopefully we never have to

980
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: have it all right.

981
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: In an effort to not make this a two hour podcast,

982
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: I want to say some names that are free agents

983
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: who the Braves could look at on the cheaper side

984
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: to fill things out. Basically, Lucas Gilido, Tower, Mallley, Brad

985
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: Keller is like this year's Ronal Lopez Is he a reliever?

986
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: Is a starter? Interesting picture though when he's been right.

987
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: Zach Lttel never walks anybody. Nick Martinez, who last year

988
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: we laughed about because he took the he took a

989
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: qualifying offer. It was a weird situation. He's a free

990
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: agent this year. Interesting starter. Cody Ponce I kind of

991
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: like coming back from the he was in the KBO

992
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: last year. Like I'm kind of fascinated by heim. He

993
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: throws hard, he was good KBO. Who knows. I won't

994
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: even name the two super old guys because it's like

995
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: it's just a meme. At this point, I'm gonna throw

996
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: those guys out the window. For now, old friend Michael

997
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Soroka is a free agent. Our our our old Colliguert

998
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: Cole would just weep at his desk and based on

999
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 1: making Soroka back and then uh, he wasn't about boring.

1000
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: There's boring, and then there's Adrienne Hauser. Adrian Hauser is

1001
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: actually like even more boring than Chris Pass. So that's

1002
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: all my all my boring names. I know you hate

1003
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: all of those guys, so I'm not even gonna mention

1004
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: anymore to you.

1005
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, if maybe one of these guys

1006
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: is floating around at the end of February and you

1007
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: can get up one, one more, yes, five million, assuming

1008
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: they have added somebody else to the rotation, Like I

1009
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: promise you you could do a six man rotation for

1010
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: a while. You could have Waldrip open up in the

1011
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: bullpen and then make him a starter later in the

1012
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: year if you need him to limit innings. Like there's

1013
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: there's always a way to work around things. And we

1014
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: always say, if there's a situation in July where we're

1015
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: doing a podcast and it's all right, Brad, we have

1016
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: seven guys throwing the ball, making starts so good. They're

1017
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: all healthy, they're all great. None of them need to rest,

1018
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: none of them need to fake injured. List. I promise

1019
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: you one we won't do that show because it will

1020
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: never happen. In two If by some miracle we did

1021
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: do that show, we have that that is the biggest

1022
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: non problem in the world.

1023
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, there's a great My favorite movie

1024
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: is Ocean's eleven and there's a scene in the kind

1025
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: of getting the band together where there's it's Brad Pitt

1026
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: and George Clooney and they go back and forth and says,

1027
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: and do you think we need one more? I think

1028
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: we need one more. Let's get one more. That's my

1029
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: general thing. I gonn start to pitching. Just sign another guy.

1030
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: If if you have a chance to get one more

1031
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: guy on it on a decent price, go ahead and

1032
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: do it. And if that's Cody Ponce, if that's Michael Soroka,

1033
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: sure my answer is yes, start sign more, starting pitching,

1034
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: acquire more.

1035
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: Starting pitching. We've done a lot of podcasts, Brad, I

1036
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: would firmly have Oceans eleven in my top five of

1037
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: all time. I wish we disagreed more, but that that

1038
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: is a class. That is a remote drop if you're

1039
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: flipping channels on Sunday afternoon and Ocean's eleven is on,

1040
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: you can bet absolutely watching it every single time.

1041
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed to say how many texts that I have

1042
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: with my friend Robbie kaland back and forth of it's

1043
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: just Oceans quotes with no other context. That's that's all

1044
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: we ever talk about. Moving on last thing, and we're

1045
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: not going to try to project the trade. We're just

1046
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: not going to try to do that. But there are

1047
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: some interesting trade names, a very useful I don't I'm

1048
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: not gonna actually I didn't. I didn't reference this, and

1049
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: we trade rumors what you're talking about a lot on

1050
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: this on the podcast already did this like top forty

1051
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: trade targets post and they acknowledge in it like they're

1052
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: just it's speculation and fourth speculation, et cetera. A lot

1053
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: of these guys are going to mention are on that list.

1054
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: But there are some interesting starting pitchers that could be

1055
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: gettable at a reasonable price. Any are good and by

1056
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: the way, full caveats supply here the Bratsky trade for

1057
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: somebody that's not on this list, what one thousand percent

1058
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: alex is usually good for a spring on something that

1059
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: no one ever sees very possible. But you've seen the list, guy,

1060
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: we'll go through it. But is there anybody that you

1061
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: want to talk about desperately as a trade target, if

1062
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: you have a favorite, a pet guy that you're like

1063
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: your non Sunny Gray division trade candidate. Now that study

1064
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: is off the.

1065
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: Board, great question, I would say, of all of the

1066
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: names listed on this trade list, and let's just breeze

1067
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: through them quickly and then we'll focus on a couple.

1068
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: So by all means, Mackenzie Gore from the Nationals, Joe

1069
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: Ryan and Pablo Lopez from the Twins, Sandy al Contra

1070
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: and Edward Cabrera from the Marlins, Brady Singer and Nick

1071
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: Lidolo from the Reds. You say, Kikuchi and Toriano from

1072
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 2: the Angels, Mitch Keller, Luis Castillo, who's been good for

1073
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 2: a long time with the Mariners.

1074
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: It seems to always be like on the trade list.

1075
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why he's awesome, but

1076
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: like it's like always like kind of out there as

1077
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: a potential guy they might trade.

1078
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto works in weird ways, that is why maybe

1079
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: that's a good point him and aj Preller, something about

1080
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: the initials. They just they just like to be weird.

1081
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: Freddy Peralta is like a borderline ace, like an actual

1082
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: ace with Milwaukee. I still don't see Milwaukee trading him.

1083
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: He has one year of contract control left. It would

1084
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: cost a lot.

1085
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: That reminds me I have to stop you. Did you

1086
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: see they just see the fake trade that made the

1087
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: REALNMS this week? Somebody wrote a fake trade that involved

1088
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: the Braves getting Freddy Peralta. Did you see this?

1089
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: I did see this.

1090
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: It was it was a real outlet. It wasn't like

1091
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: a fake blog. It was a real outlet.

1092
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: MLB dot com.

1093
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: And granted it was like supposed to be wild trades.

1094
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was being reported, but it was

1095
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: literally like four of the top five or something like that.

1096
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: Braves prospects for one year of Freddy Peralta, because that's

1097
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: what it is. He's under contract for one season. That

1098
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: as much as I am trade prospect guy, that would

1099
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: be quite a price for one year of Freddy Berlta.

1100
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

1101
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: Agreed, So that article is out there, and by of

1102
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: the roads, if you can get Freddy pralt for less

1103
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 2: than half of the farm system. Then great, But there's

1104
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: also on that Trade Rumors trade list Kyle Freeland, who

1105
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: is with the Rockies. And then an interesting name is

1106
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: Luis Severino. Sever Reno has been around. He was awful

1107
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: with the Oakland Sacramento As last year, although his career

1108
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: was kind of revitalized with Jeremy Hefner in twenty twenty

1109
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: four with the Mets, so maybe, although Severino's contract is

1110
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: pretty ugly. So my two favorite names are on our

1111
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: teammates on this list, I'll say the most obtainable players

1112
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 2: on this list because I think Minnesota, no matter what

1113
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 2: they're saying, is going to do a rebuild of some kind.

1114
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: They're in massive debt. They they just they're out of gas,

1115
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: like they just don't have talent to compete in that division.

1116
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: But Joe Ryan Pablo Lopez both are criminally underrated nationally.

1117
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: I know that we've seen Pablo Lopez up close with

1118
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 2: the Marlins, but I would be very happy if either

1119
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: of them come over. They also have two years of

1120
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: club control as well, so that's not a small thing.

1121
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree, I think there They have been

1122
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: a popular Braves Internet trade partner for a while and

1123
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Both of those guys are not number ones,

1124
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: but like clearly top three rotation kind of pictures. They're

1125
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: really good and won't be crazy expensive, which definitely is

1126
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: up the rays alley. I I think Britty Singer is

1127
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: one for me with the Reds, It's like, h if

1128
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: they want to do that, I'd be very interested. Mitch

1129
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: Keller is not famous, but like it's quite good. It's

1130
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: the pirates, you know, people are is what it is.

1131
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: Sanrino is actually fascinating to me because he was just

1132
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: clearly did not want to be with the A's, and

1133
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: the A's signed him to get to like the salary floor.

1134
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: Basically that's what happened. He said, have this big contract.

1135
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: I wonder if the A's, like how much the A's

1136
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: would pay financially to get off the Averno's contract.

1137
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 2: Uh that quite a bit, and and sevar Reino spoke

1138
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: publicly about how bad the conditions were like clubhouses in

1139
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: left field, like behind the left field wall in Sacramento.

1140
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 2: I mean it was a it was a minor league

1141
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 2: operation and at and that's being kind. I mean it

1142
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: was amateur hour ine and they were quite.

1143
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Literally playing in a minor league ballpark. So yeah, I

1144
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: always liked you, Sai Kakuci even I think was the

1145
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: last year he signed with the Angels. Like I we

1146
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: talked about it on the show. I wanted them to

1147
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: brace to sign as a free agent, and I still

1148
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: would do that now. He's more of the boring variety,

1149
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: but not like incredibly boring, like he has some strikeout stuff,

1150
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: has some upside. Has been a three way picture before.

1151
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: If the Angels are going to be the Angels and

1152
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: so relatively low one guy who's still good, I would

1153
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: try to fleece the Angels because the Angels are fleecible historically.

1154
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't know Castillo is the best pitcher on this list,

1155
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe not par Altive, but problems is kind of a

1156
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: different category. I would love to trade for Alice Castillo.

1157
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how much it would cost. I don't

1158
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: know if he's available, but for I already alluded to it.

1159
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, he's just always on these lists,

1160
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: which means somebody somewhere thinks he might get traded, and

1161
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: I would love He's my favorite of all of these guys.

1162
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: If he's actually available, he's the name I want. I

1163
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: would be calling Seattle a repeat to see if that's available.

1164
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: The challenge is that Seattle is probably looking for major

1165
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: league ready talent in exchange, because I mean, Seattle was

1166
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: a game away from the World's Series. I mean, they

1167
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: were pitches away from the World Series last year. Certainly

1168
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: the Braves don't have a you know, a good version

1169
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: of von Grissom who's kind of blocked and they have

1170
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: to you know, unload him or they you know, they

1171
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: had like three young catchers instead of just like Baldwin.

1172
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, well they cal rally, but you understand

1173
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, that may be tough the thread. Yeah,

1174
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: maybe that's the situation. You know what.

1175
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into it. I was gonna say,

1176
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: you issue, and I slightly use Michael Harris.

1177
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: The one player here who I think has legitimate front

1178
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: end rotation upside, he's been good, not great. Is Mackenzie

1179
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: Gore with the Nationals. Yeah. The challenge with Gore, of course,

1180
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: is that he is in the division and he would

1181
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: not be cheap. I mean, and I would love to

1182
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: get my hands on McKenzie Gore, but I don't think

1183
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: Washington wants to give him within the division. Although I

1184
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: would say, at the end of the day, you want

1185
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: to get the best prospect return possible. And I mean, honestly,

1186
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: the Braves are just as much at risk in that

1187
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: deal because if you trade kim Kemminetti, which is probably

1188
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: what you'd have to give up to get McKenzie Gore

1189
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: at this point, if kim Kemminetti becomes a legitimate ace,

1190
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: guess what, You're gonna have to face that guy for

1191
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: six plus years and you might only have Gore. I

1192
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: think he has three more years of control. Yeah, I

1193
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: mean former top five pick in the draft. I think

1194
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: it's only twenty six, I mean twenty seven fourth season starts,

1195
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: So he's way younger than most of the guys that.

1196
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: We've talked about today. That would make it interesting. Yeah,

1197
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: this is nothing groundbreaking here, but certainly a bunch of

1198
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: interesting names. One more time, Alex tends to go off

1199
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: of the board of names who are not end lists.

1200
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: That's that's tends to be the modus operandi for this

1201
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: front office. But I to bring a full circle. You know,

1202
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: it's hard to talk more about trade stuff than free agents.

1203
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: I think, and we both have said this. I know

1204
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: Sewan and Stephen have as well, that trades are still undervalued,

1205
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: and how the Braves can add to the roster in

1206
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: multiple different ways. And I get why it's just hard

1207
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: to talk about trades. It just is. But same thing

1208
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: with shortstop, same thing with power backed that they're trying

1209
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: to add one for DH outfield or whatever and started pitching.

1210
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a free agent, doesn't now

1211
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: shortstops harder obviously because those guys are just impossible to

1212
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: get most of the time, but particularly with the either outfield,

1213
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: DH spot and then started pitching. Trades should be part

1214
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: of the calculus. And I'm confident with Alex he's not

1215
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: just going in saying we have to sign free agents.

1216
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Trades are very much on the board for this front office.

1217
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: They always oh, if I had to bet today, I

1218
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: would lean heavily towards the trade of some kind instead

1219
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: of assigning. You do have to give up prospects of

1220
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: some kind in a trade. First, signing a free agent

1221
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: you lose if you send one of the big free agents,

1222
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: you lose your Drake Baldwin PPI pick at the end

1223
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: of the first round. But that's all a trade. But again,

1224
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: you can also control salaries much easier in trade than

1225
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: in free agency. And that's all. That's all part of

1226
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: the calculation, and hopefully in the next two months it

1227
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: ends up being a good calculation, and we feel like

1228
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: the Braves squeeze the most out of however much money

1229
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: they have to spend.

1230
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: Two more things that I shouldly got off my chest

1231
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: because I will sploit up. I don't number one. As

1232
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: much as we talk about salaries and fitting in the

1233
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: structors and all those things, my mode is the Braves

1234
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: should be spending more than they spent last year, like

1235
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: by a lot. The Brave should be spending money. We

1236
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: know what we know. They're the one team in baseball

1237
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: where it's not even conjecture. We know their books. We

1238
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: can see their books. They should be spending at a

1239
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: top five pay roll level. They should be, and they

1240
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: were not last year. So that spending money is part.

1241
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: You don't just spend it to spend it, but using

1242
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: that money effectively is important. But spending should be happening,

1243
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: whether it be a trade or free agency. That's number one.

1244
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: Number two, I don't particularly care about the qualifying offer prospect.

1245
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean draft pick stuff that they're gonna live. It

1246
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: matters a little, but I tend to think it's overstated.

1247
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that's kind of my trade every prospect thought. But

1248
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: if they did, if that's the only hold up in

1249
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: signing someone, it shouldn't be a hold up. In my opinion.

1250
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: It's more of a small part of the.

1251
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: Tacklist for me.

1252
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: But I also say that to say, like, if that okay,

1253
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: one question to you, hear Scott, If it's the difference

1254
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: between signing Raiders Warez and not, do you care about

1255
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: the prospect the draftic they would lose because for me,

1256
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: I just don't.

1257
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't care. I am not actively just trying

1258
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: to boot that pick because that would be crazy. But

1259
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: if it means that you can sign Rangers, Swarez or

1260
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: Michael King to a you know, a deal that makes

1261
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: sense or I mean, hell, we don't think fran Bravaldez

1262
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: is real, but yeah, sure one of the hitters who

1263
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: have a qualifying offer that doesn't seem likely. But but yes,

1264
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, it's a

1265
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: free pick, like this is a free square for the Braves.

1266
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: That's also the case. They got this pick because Drake

1267
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: won rookie the year, which they could not have projected

1268
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: even if that's it was very possible. They couldn't have

1269
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: said a year ago, Hey, Drake's definitely gonna win Rookie

1270
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: of the Year on a team with Sean Murphy on it,

1271
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: by the way, and that still happened. So that was

1272
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: a that was cool. It's free money to your point, and.

1273
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: The Braves are going to have a significant draft bonus

1274
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: pool no matter what. With the Baldwin pick, it'll be

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Speaker 2: worth about three point five million. But if the Braves

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Speaker 2: finish or land a top six pick in the draft,

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Speaker 2: then we'll know that in a week. Even if they're

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Speaker 2: the six pick. I believe the slot money is like

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Speaker 2: nine million dollars this year, and if they were to

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Speaker 2: move into the top three, that could be as much

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Speaker 2: as like twelve million dollars eleven ten million. So that's

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Speaker 2: also maybe part of this decision for the Braves is

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Speaker 2: knowing how much money they'll have to spend. But to

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Speaker 2: answer your question, if they can add a qualifying offer

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Speaker 2: free agent to a reasonable deal that would make this

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Speaker 2: team better, I will no problem. It was a free pick,

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Speaker 2: give it away or give it back to the league,

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Speaker 2: they will be just fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are on the same page all right, Scott,

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Speaker 1: I kept you long enough late into the evening, early

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Speaker 1: in the morning on a December first Monday. That's all

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Speaker 1: we have. This could literally be a two hour plus

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Speaker 1: podcast like we have a lot more we didn't talk about.

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Speaker 1: That's nature of the beast here. But if things as always,

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Speaker 1: if you are a new listener or you've just forgotten,

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Speaker 1: if we get a rumor, a real one, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about it. If we get a signing, we'll always talk

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Speaker 1: about it a lot. If we get a trade, same thing.

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Speaker 1: But this is kind of a meant to be an

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Speaker 1: overarching primer. We can't touch on everybody in total depth.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I could give you ten more minutes on

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Speaker 1: Ragasuirez right now. I'm not going to do it, but

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Speaker 1: that's what we have today. I won't make comments about

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Speaker 1: NFL teams because my team is terrible and your team

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Speaker 1: has fallen apart. As you texted me today, my college

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Speaker 1: team lost in relatively brutal fashion yesterday. It hasn't gone

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Speaker 1: well outside of baseball, so maybe the Braves will help

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Speaker 1: us out with some activity in the near future.

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Speaker 2: There we go. I am sure Alex is listening to

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Speaker 2: an hour plus podcast about Alex the open in BikeE

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Speaker 2: come on the show. But as always, a big thank

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Speaker 2: you to everybody for checking this out. It's not often

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Speaker 2: that we do our plus shows in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the off season when we had quite literally no news

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Speaker 2: to talk about. But we try to create content. We

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Speaker 2: try to give you guys something not only to listen to,

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Speaker 2: but then have discussions with us on YouTube comments and

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Speaker 2: tweet us and all that good stuff. And hopefully in

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Speaker 2: the next days weeks, whenever it is, we'll get one

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Speaker 2: of these pictures added, which would be a big time

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Speaker 2: boost for this team. And I mean, if they add

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Speaker 2: somebody good Brad, this could be on paper at the

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Speaker 2: top three rotation in the game. I mean it could be.

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Speaker 2: It could be really fun to watch this team throw

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Speaker 2: the ball every night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if they get Chris Bassett, look out, baby, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'll try to just try to throw you.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the podcast, please subscribe everybody to

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Speaker 1: Territory with Ken Rosenthal, who I can't believe is a

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Speaker 1: colleague of ours, But that's that's a real thing that happens.

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Speaker 1: As always, we'll have more to come later on this week,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you all next time.