WEBVTT - RFK Chainsaws CDC, The Wizard of... Nah 08.29.25 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:09.720 Uh speaking of power moves. Uh, my girlfriend is going 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.800 to require me to remove this mustache after we record. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.560 Oh yeah, you just grew up for the for the record. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.320 Yeah yeah yeah, sorry, baby, I gotta show you. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:27.040 I gotta show up. Guys. You knows. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:31.600 Exactly of all. Thank her for her sacrifice. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.760 Yes, oh wow, yeah, ultimate sacrifice. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:36.080 For your service. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.600 Thank you for your man ma'am, Thank you for your service. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.120 I will stand up when she enters the room, so. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.319 We should take these hats off. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.440 Sorry, I'm geez sorry. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:52.879 Yeah, yeah, in the presence of greatness? How long has 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.960 it been going on? Are you a fast grower? 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.600 Thank you? 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:04.840 Yeah, like we said, thank you, thank you for Uh 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:10.720 how does why does that sound like the weirdest goddamn euphemism? Yeah, 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:17.240 I'm a fast grower, babe, you fast grower mustache. I 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.440 can just focus real hard and have a mustache. By 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:20.479 the end of this episode. 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.400 That's all the veins popping out of your head. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:35.399 Oh my god, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four, 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:40.280 oh three, Episode five of Dirty Guys. Ha ha ha 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.319 h this production of iHeart Radios Podcasts. We're taking deep 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.240 to have into American share consciousness. I was just talking 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.720 about how my voice was like failing me this week. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:55.360 I've noticed, and if I get whatever RFK has from screaming, 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.400 like they're just like, oh. The only thing that could 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.160 explain this is if every day you just screamed in 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.680 a weird German accent for like a couple of seconds. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.520 Except what you're screaming is probably a different type of 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.840 German scream than what gave it to him. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:16.280 Right, that's right, Yeah, we're happening in private meetings. Yes, yes, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:22.960 it's Friday, August twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, last episode 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.960 of August. I would assume, yeah, I don't think we're 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:32.320 recording this weekend, and then it's a long weekend, so 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.520 it's gonna be fucking March second, is that right? 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.400 We come back, it might be March March second in 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.240 like a lion out like a ham. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.720 My name is Jack O'Brien AKA. Now I'm not trying 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.080 to be rude, but these vaccines be killing you the 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.639 way Big Pharma trying to shoot whip feet us up 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.880 and you it's the RFK, A mission hot and fresh 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.519 pox transmission disease is coming from Bobby. Got every man 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:07.880 in here twitch and that one courtesy of Charles on 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.440 We Fromage on the Discord, and courtesy of Kylie Airs 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:17.120 and paulvi Ganalon and our conversation yesterday where we somehow 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:23.600 landed on the uber problematic character of R. S. Kelly. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:28.360 Sorry sorry, that's so good. Yeah, I'm so jealous of that. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.920 It's crazy Kelly is Yeah mine as well. Might as 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.240 well throw them together. Also great name, Charles on Wei Fromage. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.840 I love the idea that the Ian French chuck e 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.440 cheese stands for on whe or n y as I 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.520 once pronounced that word on this show. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.360 Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always, uh not 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.440 as always thrilled to be joined. We made a personnel change, 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.680 we made a that's right, I hit my right arm. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:57.720 You're mighty right. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.160 Oh yeah, yeah, I could tell. I could tell. We 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.720 ran into each other at the Open. I'm wearing a 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.880 US Open hat that I bought there and a big 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.280 foam finger that you are I bought there. 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.880 You type so slowly now, because that's stupid. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:18.400 Finger throw to be joined in our second seat temporarily 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.400 by a brilliant comedium writer, actor Coiner of the phrase 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:27.680 plumpers to describe his jacked thighs. Autocorrect keeps trying to 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.240 change it to plumbers because it knows that the word 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:38.640 plumpers shouldn't exist. But it's like a curse from another dimension. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.839 Please welcome by and eyed Phil keeps coming through my 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.520 screen every single type that word in. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.120 The brilliant, the hilarious, the riding of retcumbent bike in 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:54.200 short shorts. It's Blake wax Lis. This is. 0:04:55.839 --> 0:05:06.160 I can't hear anything, all right, well, good, good, good good. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.320 It was a tear mar getting surgery without an anesthetic. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:12.880 Voice. 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.440 Yeah, it was our Kelly. Yeah it was Kelly. It 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.080 was r F Kelly. Blake can explain what it was. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.160 I kind of want to know. Well, I'll sing it later, 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:25.040 all right. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.359 Cool, It was just piano man. I was started playing 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:28.760 Billy Joel's piano man. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.520 We can't clipped for the right, Yeah, we got Joel 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:34.840 is all over it. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.320 Billy Joel is a time cop. He can come back 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:38.360 from the future and. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.279 All he listens to this show to make sure we're 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:42.520 not playing piano man. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:43.400 That's what he does. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:44.160 He does. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.080 And finally, and he, by the way, has like spoam 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.960 fingered sized fingers on each every single one of his 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:52.640 fingers and that's how he plays the piano so well. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.719 He does have there's a new documentary about Billy Joel 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:00.520 that is very long and also like it's it's kind 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:05.279 of amazing how much it's like, you know, in like 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:11.159 bad move like bad musician biopics where they'll be like, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.800 and I came to a crossroads, and that's when I 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.599 wrote the song Crossroads. I'm I'm referring, of course, to 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:22.480 the Bone Thugs and Harmony, a biopic which is way 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.000 Billy Joel, though he keeps being like, so I was, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.920 you know, going to New York on the Hudson river line, 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:36.280 and I wrote It's just like the things are so autobiographical, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.640 just like so directly ripped from his life. He's just 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.880 like looking around him writing songs and he's like, so, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:47.120 I was at this bar where I was the man 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.159 who played the piano, and he took some poetic license. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.200 And someone looked at me and said, what are you 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.159 gonna do with that piano? Man? 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.760 Man, man, man, what are you doing here? It turns 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.080 out they said that because I was there on the 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.440 wrong night. Yes, anyways, I thought it was a good line, 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.840 so I just recorded it into the song. But he 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.360 does have in addition to giant foam fingers, he has 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.679 a vape that is in the shape of a giant cigar. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.200 Did you notice that he's vaping the whole time? But 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.840 like with a giant cigar that is just I don't know, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.520 like he's like, you know, what would actually be way 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:32.960 cooler than vaping is smoking a cigar that is essentially a. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:38.480 Builda but with vape juice in it, not tobacco exactly, 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.120 not the thing people smoke cigars because, you know it, 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.120 like cigars are only enjoyed because of how thick and 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:45.000 brown they are. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.800 Yea, you know, act like yeah take that freud. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.640 Yeah. It's like sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.440 but like sometimes you're going out of your way to 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.920 like make it a cigar even though it doesn't have 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.320 any like it doesn't need to be a cigar at all. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.560 You just like want a big brown dick shaped thing 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.960 in your mouth. Anyways, who does not among who among us? 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.920 Blake who among us? We're thrilled to be joined in 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.200 our third seat Blake by a writer, one of the 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.120 best podcast hosts and executive producers doing it. You know, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.200 I'm from stuff they don't want you to know, you know, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.440 from ridiculous history missing in Arizona. It's Ben Bully. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:30.160 You got Ben bull I don't know how long we're 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.280 going to go, but thank you for segueing to the 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:39.960 intro from talking about smoking cigars, right, thank you. Yeah, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.000 speaking of big things in your mouth, I guess I'm 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:44.280 a guest for today. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.640 Yeah, whoa the original, big big brown dick shaped thing 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.640 in your mouth. It's Ben Bullers. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.000 That's what my mother always said. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:57.800 Actually. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:08:59.839 To wake you up. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:08.439 Yeah, she would shake me as a child. What's up 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:13.400 you guys. It's It's fantastic to hang out. It's phenomenal. Uh, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.960 to see you all again. I was running a little 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.520 bit late, which Jack you described as a power move, 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.760 and thank you. It was on purpose. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:32.000 Yeah, of course, and growing and being a grower fast we. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.960 Are, ye, So this is something that we should just 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:39.800 talk about, you know, in the room. Right. Ben has 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.200 a very impressive mustache right now. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:52.520 Oh my gosh. That yeah, how's it going? Oh my god, Blake, Blake. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.800 I thought Jack was doing a bit while we were 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.760 off air. No, you're serious about this. Okay, We're going 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.160 on the air with it. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.680 Yeah, so I, uh, you don't want to talk about 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.080 If you don't want to talk about it, I didn't 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.800 like you, you know, if you I just am very 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.360 curious how long it took, because very fast. I doesn't 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:14.120 want to do this, but this is the eleventh time 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.680 I'm asking. Okay, yeah, yeah, a journalistic trick where I 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.080 will just sit here in silence and wait for you 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.120 to answer my questions. Love that trick. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:27.440 I think it will always work. And what could go wrong? Yeah? 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.360 I just got back from some time on the road 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.960 and I did that thing that every grown man does 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:38.440 when you have a beard, and I went through while shaving, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.200 I went through all the different pursuonas I could be. Yeah, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:47.800 the permutations perfect defining facial hair. So this probably took 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.800 about a week and a half. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.360 Okay, very very impressive. That is really that is really 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.000 a really strong week and a half. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.800 Unfortunately I can't grow chest hair. I have like three 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.800 So you think it all just goes through your face. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.520 I think it all goes through the face. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.360 Got rerouted all through your face, all your chest hair growth. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.040 Yes, it's a hair transplant from your upper chest. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.839 But then in the exact pattern of the upper mustache. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:20.079 I love it. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.560 Well, thank you for sharing it with us. I know 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.400 you said that going away very soon, but you know 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.960 you're a hero, and so is your girlfriend for letting 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.400 you like keep it for this length of time. 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.600 Oh right, negotiation facial hair negotiations are ongoing, right. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:41.160 Yeah, take would never cook, Yeah, I would really. Yeah. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.880 I've been married for seventeen years and it is exclusively 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.960 because I haven't. I haven't gone back to you know, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:52.119 my interest in growing mustaches early days. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.880 If I may, like justin let us witness Jack O'Brien here, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.640 no offense, man, my guy, you look like you get 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:05.120 a four thirty PM shadow after shaving. Yeah, yeah, you 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.800 look like it grows pretty quickly. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.440 Yeah, it's a it's a lunch lunchtime shadow. It grows, 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.680 it grows fast. Yeah I can. I could focus really 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.440 hard and have a mustache by the end of this recording. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.440 Just a vague popping out on and Blake. You've got 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:25.080 the you've got the scientifically proven best form of facial hair, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.560 which is stubble. Right, you got like you got like 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.800 the generous stubble which yeah it guys. 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.360 Remember, Yeah, it's the facial hair that like I feel 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.280 like every famous guy has, like in a movie. Yeah, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.440 it's like I like, kind of I guess I haven't shaved, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.480 but it's like so metigulous and it's like long and 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:52.080 very tight. Yeah, exactly, Like, huh, that's interesting. You haven't 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.319 shaved like one part of your face in a while 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.959 while other parts. But is that a natural growth? 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:58.240 Yeah? 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.880 Okay, figure I wax my f laser. There's there are 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.440 lasers and wax, and that's sick. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:17.200 It's all right, that's h well, but we'll see. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:23.120 Well, we'll get a letter from the Serbian Wax Guild 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:28.600 and they'll be like, guys, yeah, s w G is 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:34.800 a centuries old organization. We do not appreciate being uh 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.600 mis portrayed this way. However, if Blake Wexler would like 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.960 uh to get you know what I'm thinking now, I've 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.720 talked this into free tickets to Serbia. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:50.720 Blake waxl Yes, great basketball team, great Waxler. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.600 Blake Waxler is what I said. All Right, you win, 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.920 always win. I just want to make sure you heard that. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.720 Then we're gonna get to know you a little bit 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.400 better the moment. First, we're gonna tell the listeners about 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.040 some of the fun news that we're gonna be talking 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.400 about today. Hey, speaking of R F. Kelly, things not 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:16.319 going well for Old America. Uh. From our Canadian writer 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.240 Jam McNab, I feel like this could have only this 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.840 description of this story couldn't have been written by someone 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.960 in America because he just opened it up with well 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.920 that's not good ellipses. Yeah. Just weeks after being confirmed 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:36.680 CDC head Susan Minaras has been fired for being too 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.240 vaccine friendly, So we're gonna talk about that. There's also 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.280 some stuff happening with food safety. Have you guys do 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:43.960 you guys do that? 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:45.320 Do you eat food? 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.000 Because yeah, yeah, yeah, Why is there something if you 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:49.840 leave it out for a while or don't go to 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.360 something food that. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.680 People look out for that, right, Like don't isn't there 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.600 people who are supposed to make sure we're. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.560 There is an invisible network that we hadn't paid much 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.600 attention to up to this point, constantly monitoring food and 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.400 then like when there is an outbreak of equal I 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.000 they would address, they would go out and take it 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.320 off the shelves. They would also tell us about it 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.280 in a way that I always found I'm like, yeah, 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.240 I mean, I'm not going to pay attention, but like 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.400 it sounds like you guys are taking care of it, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:23.800 then you. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:24.240 Guys got it. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.080 It's the same thing with the FAA planes, where it's like, right, 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.680 I never really thought about planes until this administration. There's 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.600 just things that we keep taking for granted that seem 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.280 fucking simple and givens, but it just keeps coming up. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.240 All right, well, so we can't givens. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.760 Robin I like to call it the I like to 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:45.040 call it the worst good news situation, where you know, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.680 you get that official announcement that a thing you haven't 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.200 heard of has decided there will be less than four 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.120 grams of rat feces in cereal that are now on. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.560 Guys, we've made a big, big break. Oh you know 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.800 all that rat shit you've been eating. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:04.600 Huh. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.880 We'll talk about Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton because they're 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.720 remaking The Wizard of Oz as we've been begging them 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.440 to do, so we'll talk about that and just uh, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.400 you might not realize it, but Gwen Stefani is kind 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:21.200 of full mega. Now I don't know, like full mega, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.440 but she's like a straight up conservative and apparently has 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.720 them for a while all that plenty more, But first, Ben, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.720 we do like to ask our guests, what is something 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.280 from your search history that's revealing about who you are? 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.960 Sperm, whale, phonetic alphabet? 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:41.520 Uh huh? I like you just you stopped listening. You 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:46.360 you're listening, but you stopped after sperm based on your right, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:52.920 based on the noise you made you creep? Yeah? 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.960 Yeah, yeah. So do you guys have pets? Do you 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.960 like animals or are you monsters? Or what's going on? 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.400 Like you're coming at us like you're introducing the concept 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:09.320 of animals to you. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:10.960 You can own an animal. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:19.440 That sucks? Yeah, well, I love whales specifically, and I'm 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.680 becoming more interested in animals and what's going on there? 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.760 What's that with them? As I get older? 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.879 Okay, all right, guys, this is the thing working on 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:37.800 a couple of recent recent episodes about the question of 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:43.360 can people talk with animals? You know, we know humans 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.600 are animals. They're just kind of stuck up, right, But 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:52.240 instead of talking at or two, your pooch, your dogg o, 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:57.120 your furd feathered or scaly friend, can you speak with them? 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.760 Can there be an equal peer to peer conversation or discourse? 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.480 This turns out to be pretty crazy because a lot 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.840 of the research is under fire, right, Like Coco the 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:16.080 Gorilla is a famous example, or Alex the African gray parrot. Yeah. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.240 I thought we were like having conversations about Coco with 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.199 Coco the Gorilla. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:28.000 Right this podcast, right right, Yeah, because uh, you guys 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.399 bumped to Robin Williams, I think, and mister Rogers is. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.640 Robin Williams Coca the Gorilla finding out Robin Williams. 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:41.640 Dot Yeah, that's apparently a bit of a confirmation bias 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:51.040 on the behalf of the very well intentioned scientists. No, honestly, however, 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.360 I'm waving my hand like I can just sort of say, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.840 these are not the droids you're looking for. Whatever. What 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.919 we did find was that in recent quite recent years, 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:11.480 researchers have leveraged large language models algorithms AI per will 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:19.160 Smith to analyze the communication of different types of cetacean, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.000 specifically sperm whales, and it turns out that they might 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:28.520 have a language. So my search history is fucking rocked 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.240 and ruined because I had to put the word sperm 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:37.520 into all these research to things and our buddy somewhere 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.480 at the n Essay is like, okay, sperm whale, sure, man, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:47.040 all right, but whales might be able, might have a 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:53.400 language that humans can translate and maybe maybe talk with them. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.520 Yeah, sperm whales must be even harder to study because 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.680 they live so deep in the ocean, right, Like, it 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.439 must be hard to listen to them. I'm saying that 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.439 as if I'm concerned. God, this is gonna be so 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:05.600 much work going into this. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.840 Well, they got to come up sometime. That's what I 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:12.280 always say. I'm a whaler, I should say that I whales, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.199 and so I just sit there at the surface with 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.760 a harpoon saying the sometime brother Millville. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:19.879 Of podcasts, Yeah, they call you. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:29.520 That's so, that's wild that the so when the apes 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:35.439 were doing sign language, was it like the uh like 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.080 sign language interpreters who will go behind a speech and like, 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.600 actually not no sign language and just be doing like 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.359 and we just assume they're actually doing it when just 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.760 because we don't speak sign language or happen. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.840 Those folks who are on the forefront of comedy, yes cough, 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:53.800 they could never. 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:56.880 Exactly. Yeah. 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:03.800 Secondly, you are absolutely correct. The controversy goes into the 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:08.960 concept of interpretation, right like clever Hans, the world's most 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.439 famous math horse. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.360 The math horse, I've heard is purely just like they 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:19.040 were looking at their owner or like the human that 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.840 they knew, and like interpreting their faces. That's what they 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:23.600 want me to say. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:29.720 Clop clop clop clop. Ver, Clever, I've never heard of 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.760 this thing. You never heard all my favorite things. Clever 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.919 Hans the math horse is like a drug, Like you 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.359 just gave me a hallucinogenic drug by saying those words. 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.119 Sorry, Clever has the math Horse? 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:43.399 All right? 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.600 Yeah, I gotta tap out of this one, got it, 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:47.439 It's too much for me. 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.520 That'd be a great nickname that like for a boxer. Yes, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:22:01.679 Clever Hans the math Horse. It can be Clever Hans 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:02.679 or math Horse. 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.200 You can't be so greedy that you have Clever Hans 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:06.199 math hords. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.760 Yeah. I mean you would have to be very good 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:12.080 at boxing to support that moniker. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.000 Iron Clever Hans the math. 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.160 Yes, this boxer keeps kicking us with his hind legs. 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.560 Guys, do you think he knows that he's boxing or 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:31.119 is he just looking at his trainer for ques? Uh so? Yeah. 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.159 The controversy, as we learned with Coco in particular and 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:40.439 with other primate experiments, was that people thought she could 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:45.520 understand something like two thousand spoken words in English and 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.760 communicate them through some version of sign language that I'm 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:53.119 making up here. And the idea then became that she 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.720 was able to connect words to make concepts, which is 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:01.439 a very human type of communication. So she might know 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.040 the word for trash and then the word for cat, 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.520 and then you'd show her a raccoon and she would say, oh, 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.920 trash cat, and people are like, that's you're fucking amazing. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.720 That's so smart. She's basically a poet. That's actually what 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.200 we should call raccoons. 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:21.840 And well, the the that's the search history. It's ruined. 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.600 Sperm alphabet. Yeah, it's it's over for me, you guys. 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:27.959 Sperm alphabet done. 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:28.600 Yeah. 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.040 I've heard I've read like studies Okay, I listen to 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.520 them on the podcast about like prairie voles being or 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:39.760 prairie dogs, one of the prairie animals having pretty complex 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.720 or like easy to decode languages, and like that they 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.760 were able to like figure out that one of them 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.520 was like for color, so like somebody they'd be like, okay, 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:55.679 yellow guy coming and red guy coming. And it's all 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.119 chirps does Yeah, it's little chirps. But they they were 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:00.720 able to record an off of them and get a 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.840 sense of like they had words for, like attack from above, 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.560 and you know red shirt got attack from red shirt guys. 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.680 From red shirt guy attacked a shirt guy. 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:15.320 Yeah, the scientists maybe should have stopped attacking them. I 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.439 feel like not good science. All right, let's take a 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.439 quick break. We'll be back to talk overrated, underrated, and 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:23.640 why we're all gonna die. 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:24.560 We'll be right back. 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:41.719 And we're back. I still that still goes. It started 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:46.439 start a zoom call with a friend or maybe a 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:54.919 new acquaintance or yeah, always it still still works. The 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:59.200 great podcaster Matt Appadaka, who we now work with, has 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.200 really shown me them he's gonna I'm making it sound 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:03.920 like he was the first person to do I think 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.800 I started doing it, but he approved it, and that's 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.160 that's huge. I don't want to just smirch his good name. 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.520 That guy's name sounds like a spell. 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.600