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Speaker 2: You're in studio on Super Tuesday Balance of Power. I'm

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Speaker 2: Joe Matthew in Washington as we add the voice of

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Nassour, the aforementioned Republican strategist and former chairwoman of

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Speaker 2: the Massachusetts Republican Party, back with us here on the program.

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Speaker 2: Last time we spoke Jen was on New Hampshire primary eve,

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Speaker 2: and there was still a feel that Nicki Haley could

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Speaker 2: make a dent here going into South Carolina and into

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Speaker 2: Super Tuesday. Is it fair to call this the last

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Speaker 2: stand for Nicki Haley? How are you looking at her

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Speaker 2: chances tonight? If Vermont is the state we're focused on,

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Think coming from mass Chusetts, I am feeling like Vermont's

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Speaker 3: not the state that we're focused on. However, she did

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Speaker 3: get the endorsement of the Governor of Vermont. She did

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Speaker 3: get the endorsement of Susan Collins and Maine. And in

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Speaker 3: Massachusetts we have sixty four percent of our electorate are

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Speaker 3: actually unenrolled voters. And we see that both parties, Republican

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Speaker 3: and Democratic parties have lost voters in the last year,

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Speaker 3: which I think speaks volumes about where both parties have

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Speaker 3: been going and the messaging from the super far right

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Speaker 3: I think she's going to have a great night here.

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Speaker 3: I think in Virginia, you see what happen in d C.

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Speaker 3: it's far from over. I mean, listen, anyone can do math.

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Speaker 3: If you do math, the magic number is twelve hundred

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Speaker 4: There's a long way to go there.

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Speaker 3: And so tonight there are eight hundred and seventy four

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Speaker 4: That she's not going anywhere. She was here this weekend.

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Speaker 3: In Massachusetts read over one thousand people at a rally

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Speaker 3: ton of money. Donors are coming, new faces are coming out,

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Speaker 3: people are energized. From Massachusetts. She went from North Carolina

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Speaker 3: to Massachusetts, Massachusetts, to Vermont and to Maine. The woman

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Speaker 3: has done almost eighty six hundred miles in ten days.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Donald Trump has done eighty six hundred

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Speaker 1: No, I know.

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Speaker 2: Yet he continues to dominate in the polls and he's

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Speaker 2: going to steam through, steamroll through states like Texas and

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Speaker 2: California tonight. I appreciate your passion, and it's contagious, Jen,

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Speaker 2: But you know, we had Chris Sanunu on with us

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Speaker 2: get a lot more difficult after tonight, Right, how do

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Speaker 3: So, look, you know, anyone who's run for office before

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Speaker 4: You need the volunteers and you need the.

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Speaker 3: Donors because those are the two things that actually make

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Speaker 3: people will follow Nicky anywhere she goes. That's number one

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Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, Trump listen.

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Speaker 3: Seventy percent of the country doesn't want another Biden Trump showdown.

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Speaker 4: And that's not crazy ary general electorate. That's forty percent

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Speaker 2: Sure, that's the curse of this primary season for Republicans

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Speaker 3: Well, I think Republican Republican primary voters need to wake

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Speaker 4: And the answer is no. With Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: In a Fox News poll came out the other day,

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Speaker 3: bad news story, we'll sink that campaign. Whereas Nikki Haley

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Speaker 3: You have a choice between the two people who have

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Speaker 2: This is why I know you love hearing conversations about

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Speaker 2: to your point that polls suggest that voters want an alternative. Here,

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Speaker 2: we're spending time with Jennifer Nassour, the former Massachusetts Republican

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Speaker 2: Party chair Republican strategist. Talk to us about issues while

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Speaker 2: you're here, Jen, because it's obviously driving decisions. This evening

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Speaker 2: in New Hampshire, we were talking about immigration in a

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Speaker 2: You've spoken passionately about the impact it had on the

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Speaker 2: midterm and other races since then, and then of course

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Speaker 2: or is it not a monolith? Is it different issues

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Speaker 3: I think it's the same issues. It's just how they're

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Speaker 3: adopt Nikki Haley's view and platform on abortion, we are

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Speaker 3: women will always care about this issue. It is always

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Speaker 2: Jen I've got less than a minute. Does Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: need to win some thing tonight to keep going in

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Speaker 3: She just needs twin delegates. As long as she keeps

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Speaker 2: There you have it, Jennifer and the sort's good to

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Speaker 2: see again. Republican Strategists former chair of the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: in Massachusett's with the view from the Northeast where a

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Speaker 2: see the performance of Nikki Haley here on this Super Tuesday.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be a long evening, Joe, of course,

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Speaker 2: We kind of said that coming out of New Hampshire,

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Speaker 2: the math will be impossible to ignore. It appears after tonight, Kaylee.

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Speaker 2: If the polls are correct and Donald Trump has the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, we have the consideration that financially, she

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Speaker 7: To the nomination?

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Speaker 6: Would donors continue if it's just in case money? Essentially,

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Speaker 6: if it's just a question of whether or not Trump

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true, and after we heard from the Supreme

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Speaker 2: a just in case strategy for her. Let's bring in

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Speaker 2: Happy Super Tuesday, sir. Is it the feeling super to you?

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Speaker 8: Or is this coronation like anti coimactic Tuesday? And you

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Speaker 8: know Super Tuesdays have come in all different kinds of

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Speaker 8: flavors over the years, right, Sometimes they're a little earlier,

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Speaker 8: sometimes there are later. Sometimes they're competitive on one side

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Speaker 8: have front loaded a lot of the primaries where we

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Speaker 8: know the outcome of this, but we have one candidate,

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Speaker 8: Nikki Haley, who is committed to playing out the string

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Speaker 8: at least through Super Tuesday. I love it because as

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Speaker 8: This anti Trump sentiment is from within the Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: So maybe you've got that whole sort of halo effect

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Speaker 6: Wow, all right, Gregory Cordy is always covering all things

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Speaker 4: Gregory, thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: And we want to turn now to another person who

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Speaker 6: great to have you on the show. We were just

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Speaker 6: hearing from Gregory about a number of states in which

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Speaker 6: sure Nikki Haley did not win the Republican contest, but

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Speaker 6: she did perform better than expected. If that were to

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Speaker 9: If it were to show up, she would probably do

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Speaker 2: You're up there in New England, David, A sense of

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean, when was the last time electoral votes

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Speaker 5: It's it's you know, it's old.

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Speaker 9: Trump was still prevailing in Massachusetts, and you know he's

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Speaker 6: Well, David, of course, Nikki Haley when we've heard her

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Speaker 9: We won't know that until the number settle, until after

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Speaker 5: It depends state to state.

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Speaker 9: I mean some states where Democrats were voting, they were

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Speaker 9: In the case of independence, left leaning independence were probably

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Speaker 9: And the answer to your question is they could not vote.

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden, or more likely they could vote third party.

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Speaker 2: That's where Donald Trump starts to put this in the bag, right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, the more the night wears on, the

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised nothing scheduled tonight? We understand she has

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Speaker 9: No, I haven't heard of an announcement, but I've heard

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Speaker 9: But obviously she doesn't want to be distracted by doing

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Speaker 6: Well, as you talk about potential other strategies she could pursue.

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Speaker 6: I wonder if that could theoretically include a third party,

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Speaker 6: consistently said David that Super Tuesday after that is when

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Speaker 5: For No Labels?

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Speaker 9: I mean I see a path for any third party

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Speaker 5: No Labels being one, RFK Junior.

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Speaker 9: Being one Green Party being one Libertarian and Cornel West.

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Speaker 9: And it really depends on what candidates' parties make what

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Speaker 5: And I don't know that she wants to risk that

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're spending some time with David Peliologos and

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Speaker 2: A little later this hour, David, we're going to bring

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Speaker 9: I got to believe that people may say he comes

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Speaker 9: I'm just looking at what he did in New Hampshire

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Speaker 5: I mean they identified neighborhood.

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Speaker 9: By neighborhood, every independent that was anti Trump and pulled

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Speaker 5: Better in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 9: So what he did in New Hampshire, I take my

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Speaker 6: All right, David Pelli Logos joining us from Suffolk University,

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Speaker 6: thank you so much. As always, it was such an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll bring you a bit of that conversation

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Speaker 5: Kayley.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not just presidential there's a lot down ballot

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Speaker 6: to consider as well, so we'll have more on that next.

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Speaker 2: We turn to our panel today. We've got a good

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Speaker 2: one on this Super Tuesday. Rick Davis is with us,

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Speaker 2: of course, Republican strategist, Bloomberg Politics contributor, and Brad Howard

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Speaker 2: from Corcoran Street Group Democratic analysts here too. Gentlemen, great

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Speaker 2: to have you with us on Super Tuesday. Rick, the

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Speaker 2: down ballot race, I think where Kayley is going here

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Speaker 2: will likely be a lot more interesting than what we

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Speaker 2: see on the presidential level. Is that all you need

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Speaker 2: to know going into this Super Tuesday?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean you actually don't know what the outcome

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Speaker 10: is going to be on these down ballot races. We

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Speaker 10: know what the outcome is going to be in the

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Speaker 10: presidential primary, so there at least is some mystique involved

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Speaker 6: All right, So, Brad, if you could pick a down

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Speaker 6: ballot contest, which one is going to be the most interesting,

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Speaker 6: perhaps the most telling of the general feeling going into November.

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Speaker 6: As we know, there's also some primaries in which you

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Speaker 6: have a more MAGA oriented Trump back candidate, Dence, more

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Speaker 6: establishment candidates.

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Speaker 4: What's going to be the tell?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I'm looking at Alabama one right there,

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Speaker 11: You've got it's the first member on member primary this

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Speaker 11: also watching who emerges out of that new seat because

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Speaker 11: that will be a relatively competitive general election, that new

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Speaker 7: So we'll see who emerges.

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Speaker 11: On the Democratic side, they are to see who's going

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Speaker 11: to take on whoever the Republicans nominate.

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Speaker 7: But and then Alabama one seat.

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Speaker 11: You've got Jerry carl versus Barry Moore, Marjorie Taylor, Green

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Speaker 7: That'll be a fascinating one to watch for sure.

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Speaker 2: That new seat you mentioned is important. At least eleven

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Speaker 2: candidates fighting for this newly drawn district. Rick Davis, you

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Speaker 2: know Alabama politics pretty well. This is a seat that

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Speaker 2: would have been won easily by Joe Biden in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty by more than ten points, it appears. Who are

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's hard to tell. I mean, anytime you've got

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Speaker 10: that many people running in a new district, you know,

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Speaker 10: it's it's it's just anybody's guests. I think that the

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Speaker 10: one I'm watching is in Texas. Sheila Jackson Lee her opponent,

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Speaker 10: Amanda Edwards. They know each other really well. They've worked together.

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Speaker 10: Sheila Jackson ran for mayor and did really poorly and

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Speaker 6: All right, So clearly a lot to watch outside of

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Speaker 6: the presidential contest tonight. But of course, the presidential contest,

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Speaker 6: as we know, gentlemen, is going to be what's making

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Speaker 6: most of the headlines. And on that note, I want

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Speaker 6: to point to a note that came into my inbox

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Speaker 6: from Terry Haynes over at Pangea Policy, someone we speak

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Speaker 6: to frequently here on Bloomberg TV and Radio, who writes

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Speaker 6: that Trump has the same four problems after Super Tuesday

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Speaker 6: that he had before it. Ricky says, an enthusiastic base

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Speaker 6: that hasn't grown since twenty twenty, a split Republican party

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Speaker 6: that's now all that embedded independents aren't for him, and

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Speaker 6: Trump encourages all of it.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree with that assessment.

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Speaker 10: Rick, Yeah, that sounds pretty realistic. I mean, Terry's a

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Speaker 10: very smart guy and I wouldn't doubt him on that,

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Speaker 10: but those elements are all there and makes it a

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Speaker 10: very interesting Contest'd be.

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Speaker 2: Very curious to hear about Joe Biden because we're not

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Speaker 2: talking about him too much today, Brad. There's a storyline

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota, of course about a potential protest vote, But

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Speaker 2: he's in primary contests across the country just like Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is. Should he be speaking tonight, he could deliver

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Speaker 2: State of the Union, though.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if he would like to.

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Speaker 11: I think if I'm his prep team, I've got his

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Speaker 11: head in the State of the Union, which is much

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Speaker 11: more consequential. As we all know, the number of live

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Speaker 11: events that Americans will all kind of tune in to

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Speaker 11: watch as dramatically declined.

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Speaker 7: Sure, because we.

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Speaker 11: Saw an appetite for it. We saw the Super Bowl

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Speaker 11: highest ratings ever. I think this may be one of

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Speaker 11: the highest ratings ever for a State of the Union.

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Speaker 11: Because so much is at risk for the president. He's

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Speaker 11: got complex situations over abroad, he's got a hyper partisan

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Speaker 11: environment here at home. There's a new speaker it's going

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Speaker 11: to stand behind him. So there's a lot at stake

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Speaker 11: here for the president. He's got to both shorep his base,

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Speaker 11: show strength abroad and Latin agenda for another term, and

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Speaker 11: so he's a lot of keep his head there where

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Speaker 11: it matters. And one quick thing on the Democratic base

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Speaker 11: on the note on the protest votes here you looked

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Speaker 11: at Michigan, Yeah, there were thirteen that voted for non committed.

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Speaker 11: Back in twenty twelve, Obama eleven percent voted non committed

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Speaker 11: in Michigan, And of course Obama went on to win

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Speaker 7: So let's keep things in historical perspective.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but of course we're talking about percentage of the

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Speaker 6: overall vote. That actual numbers were a little bit bigger

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Speaker 6: in Biden's case this time around. And also, while we're

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Speaker 6: talking about that uncommitted vote in Michigan and how it

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Speaker 6: could translate elsewhere, it wasn't just in places like Dearborn

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Speaker 6: concentrated with you know, heavily Muslim and Arab American populations,

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Speaker 6: was also Anne Arbor and East Lansing. I keep coming

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Speaker 6: back to this point in Michigan State, the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 6: Brad does he still have a problem with young people

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Speaker 6: and what does that mean for him in a general

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Speaker 6: election contest.

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Speaker 11: Look, the young voters are tricky, You've got they are

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Speaker 11: fairly new to the electorate. They don't they really don't

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Speaker 11: care what you've done previously. They want to know what

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Speaker 11: you're going to do moving forward. They are idealistic, they

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Speaker 11: are energized. You've got to have them not only vote

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Speaker 11: for you, you've got to have their the ground troops

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Speaker 11: that are out there knocking on doors and getting votes.

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Speaker 11: So they're a tricky bunch, and you know, overall, this

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Speaker 11: is the time when our base likes to vent its frustration,

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Speaker 11: as they should right by nature of being a progressive,

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Speaker 11: you're never happy, You're never satisfied with the status quo.

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Speaker 11: You're always wanting more, bigger, and bolder, and so by

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Speaker 11: nature there's some unrest always with a Democratic president.

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Speaker 7: This time in the cycle.

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Speaker 11: My hope is that by November, the Biden campaign is

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Speaker 11: really taking the youth vote. Serious leaders really find ways

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Speaker 11: to engage to not only persuade them and consolidate them,

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Speaker 11: but also utilize their passions and energy to help me

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Speaker 11: in November.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting Joe Biden's just getting back to the

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Speaker 2: White House today from Camp Dave it. This is one

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Speaker 2: weekend all about the state of the Union. Rick Is

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Speaker 2: that smart business? It's not worth it to put him

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Speaker 2: out in front of people tonight. Focus on Thursday.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that's correct. I mean, this is the

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Speaker 10: latest State of the Union. I think I can ever recall,

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Speaker 10: and frankly, the Speaker has gotten a lot of criticism

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Speaker 10: from his caucus by giving Joe Biden this incredible backstop

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Speaker 10: to Super Tuesday. Here, their plan was to have Donald

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Speaker 10: Trump basically proclaim the presumptive nominee tomorrow tonight, and now

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Speaker 10: they're going to let Biden steal the show with the

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Speaker 10: State of the Union a day later. So I think

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Speaker 10: that this is exactly what Brad said. I think this

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Speaker 10: is the whole game for him, is State of the Union.

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Speaker 10: He's going to have tens of millions of people watching.

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Speaker 10: This speech could be the most consequential speech of this term,

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Speaker 10: and certainly the most consequential speech that he's going to

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Speaker 10: give between now and the convention. And so this one

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Speaker 10: he's got to get right. And realizing that prep is

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Speaker 10: what prep is. I never expected him to be bouncing

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Speaker 10: around Super Tuesday states two days before State of the Union.

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Speaker 6: Well, Rick, as you talk about maybe the Speaker having

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Speaker 6: given Biden something of a gift to be able to

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Speaker 6: give an address like this right on the heels of

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Speaker 6: Super Tuesday, could he also take something away from the

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Speaker 6: President of the House actually passes this package of funding

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Speaker 6: bills to avert a shutdown come Friday. Does that Biden

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Speaker 6: lose a talking point over congressional dysfunction.

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Speaker 10: Well, they're they're only going to get six of the

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Speaker 10: twelve pass by then, fair enough, and so it's not

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Speaker 10: like you've got to really scramble to find dysfunction in

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Speaker 10: the House Republicans. And I think that's one thing I'm

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Speaker 10: really looking for is how much he uses this b

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Speaker 10: team speaker and House dysfunction in his State of the Union.

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Speaker 4: I think it's unavoidable.

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Speaker 10: He has got to point out the biggest limitation to

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Speaker 10: progress in his agenda has been this crew in the House.

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Speaker 2: Great panel on Super Tuesday, thanks to both of you,

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis, Brad Howard. We'll be back with Rick a

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Speaker 2: little bit later on this evening, and I want to

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Speaker 2: remind everybody that we have special coverage coming up, Kayley.

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Speaker 2: It starts eight pm Eastern Time on Bloomberg Radio and

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Speaker 2: on YouTube here on Bloomberg Radio and television starting at

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Speaker 2: nine pm, and we'll be going pretty late tonight as

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Speaker 2: we follow through six time zones. If Mike count is correct.

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Speaker 6: I believe that is an exacting escapade. We will be

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Speaker 6: on air until marinth pm. That's right Washington time. Hence

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Speaker 6: why we are caffeinating throughout the day today. But of

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Speaker 6: course we could get calls potentially as early as the

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Speaker 6: seven o'clock hour, Joe, because that's what's right. Polls are

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Speaker 6: going to close in Vermont and Virginia, right exactly. If

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Speaker 6: history is a guide, We've been getting race calls on

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Speaker 6: the Republican side within what a minute oh one, It'll.

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Speaker 2: Be seven oh one most likely, and at eight oh

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Speaker 2: one we'll have another round for you. So when you

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Speaker 2: join us this evening, we'll be starting with breaking news.

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Speaker 2: It might feel predictable, but we of course like to

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Speaker 2: wait until the votes are counted.

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Speaker 2: Thirty alongside Kaylee Lines. I'm Joe Matthew in the Nation's capital.

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Speaker 2: As we look Kayley across the country fifteen states holding

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Speaker 2: Republican contests, Eleven of them are open to more than

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Speaker 2: just registered Republicans, and that's been the narrative so far

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Speaker 2: until now by the Nikki Haley campaign. These are the

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Speaker 2: types of states that she could potentially outperform in. And

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Speaker 2: we spend some time with her chief surrogate, the governor

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Speaker 2: of New Hampshire.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Kristin Nunu did join us yesterday evening on the

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Speaker 6: eve of Super Tuesday, and we talked to him about

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Speaker 6: the math, because Joe, You're absolutely right, there are a

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Speaker 6: number of states in which independently minded voters could work

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Speaker 6: in her favor. But the problem is only two states

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Speaker 6: are not winner take all. So whoever gets more than

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Speaker 6: fifty percent of the vote, which if polling is correct,

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Speaker 6: looks very likely to be Donald Trump, he gets all

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Speaker 6: the delegates. Therefore, the math becomes really difficult if she's

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Speaker 6: trying to secure the nomination. And we pose that question

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Speaker 6: to governor soon you knew if it's not actually about

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Speaker 6: getting the number of delegates to secure the nomination, if

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Speaker 6: that's not mathematically possible, why is Haley staying in this race?

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Speaker 6: Here's his response.

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Speaker 12: The reason to stay in the race is to collect

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Speaker 12: enough delegates to be president.

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Speaker 13: That's Nicki's mission. That's it. She's not here to make

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Speaker 13: a point.

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Speaker 12: She's not putting herself on the line, spinning all this energy,

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Speaker 12: all this exhaustion away from her family, you know, being

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Speaker 12: out there every single day, tirelessly, you know, for anything

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Speaker 12: other than being president and getting this country back on track.

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Speaker 13: And that's exactly what you want to see.

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Speaker 12: So no, it's not about some of these other candidates

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Speaker 12: who get in just to try to make a point

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Speaker 12: or sell a book or whatever the heck it is.

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Speaker 12: Nicki is about focusing on this country and what she

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Speaker 12: can bring to the table, not just as from the

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Speaker 12: country's perspective, but as a Republican.

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Speaker 13: I love the fact that she doesn't just win. She

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Speaker 13: wins handily against Joe Biden.

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Speaker 12: She brings senators and new House members and governorships all

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Speaker 12: with her.

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Speaker 13: She wins up and down the ballot. Trump cannot do that.

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Speaker 2: Ambassaard Haley signals guess today she might not endorse Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump in an interview on Meet the Press, that she

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Speaker 2: no longer sees herself bound to a pledge to an

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Speaker 2: r NC, that she sees changing here, of course, it

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Speaker 2: is changing as we speak. Governor, do you support that decision?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel the same way?

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Speaker 13: Well, she didn't say she wouldn't. She's definitely not going to,

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Speaker 13: So she didn't say that.

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Speaker 12: They you know, when the press is asking you as

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Speaker 12: a candidate, if you're going to support the person you

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Speaker 12: run against, that it's a ridiculous question, right to say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 12: by the way, and I'll support the person I'm running.

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Speaker 13: Again, I'm trying to care.

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Speaker 1: She might not.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be fair here, Governor, she might not.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, she said she might not. And

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Speaker 12: again it's a ridiculous question. Also because is Trump as

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Speaker 12: he committed to supporting the Republican nominee if it's not.

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Speaker 13: Him the answer she hasn't. Yeah, yeah, of course. So

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Speaker 13: so it's it's this faux outrage.

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Speaker 12: I can't believe that she won't answer the question or

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Speaker 12: be clear about it.

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Speaker 13: When Trump has gotten away.

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Speaker 12: With completely you know, kicking kicking dirt in the face

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Speaker 12: of the Republican already across this country, kind of making

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Speaker 12: his own rules as he goes, but he gets away

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Speaker 12: with it. So look, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 12: I mean, Nicky will decide what Nicky's gonna do. You know,

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Speaker 12: regardless of who the nominee is, you're gonna see a

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Speaker 12: lot of folks understand that Joe Biden doesn't is not

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Speaker 12: the future of America, right. I mean, that's a real

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Speaker 12: problem for a whole variety of reasons. We could do

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Speaker 12: an hour on a show about why that's a problem.

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Speaker 12: There's a reason why Trump, you know, actually is neck

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Speaker 12: and neck with Biden. The problem is, again, it's not

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Speaker 12: just about who wins the presidency. It's about who brings

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Speaker 12: the rest of the party over the line. And I

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Speaker 12: keep going back to that, but it's so important. We're

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Speaker 12: tired of as Republicans. We are tired of losing. And

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Speaker 12: we lost in twenty we lost in twenty two. We

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Speaker 12: lost with Trump as the standard bearer and kind of

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Speaker 12: the front end and the messenger of the party. His

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Speaker 12: type of candidates, his style that is complete losing for

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Speaker 12: the Republican Party. So he could snake by, I guess,

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Speaker 12: but Nicki would win it in droves at the end

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Speaker 12: of the day. Again, I kind of I thought it

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Speaker 12: was kind of funny that they would even ask her

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Speaker 12: the question, because she's still very much in this race.

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Speaker 12: She's still fighting hard a couple of days from Super Tuesday,

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Speaker 12: and all she's trying to.

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Speaker 13: Do is get more voters out.

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Speaker 12: Every new voter that comes out the typically might not

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Speaker 12: vote in a primary, that comes out on Super Tuesday

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Speaker 12: is likely a Nicki Haley voter. So getting the voter,

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Speaker 12: getting the vote out not just kind of to push

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Speaker 12: back against this concerted base that Trump has, and that's

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Speaker 12: understandable be given that he's an incumbent president. But every

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Speaker 12: new voter she can drive out is another bit of opportunity.

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Speaker 12: And that's all you're thinking about as a candidate, how

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Speaker 12: do you win?

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Speaker 6: Well, what about what you're thinking about as a surrogate,

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Speaker 6: Because Governor, you've been asked the question. In fact, Joe

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Speaker 6: and I have asked it of you when we were

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Speaker 6: up in New Hampshire in January, this idea that you

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Speaker 6: would support Trump should he be the Republican nominee as

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Speaker 6: an alternative to Joe Biden. As you just described him

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Speaker 6: as someone kicking dirt in the face of Republicans. I

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Speaker 6: believe there is a very real chance he could be

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Speaker 6: convicted of a felony in the not so distant future.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything that would change your mind on that.

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Speaker 13: Right now.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 12: Look, look, I want a strong ticket, and my focus

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Speaker 12: is going to be I'm not going to be governor.

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Speaker 12: I've done my four terms here, I'm deciding this ste down.

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Speaker 12: My focus is always going to be in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 12: and I'm just kind of speaking where my position as

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Speaker 12: a governor.

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Speaker 13: I think you can translate it to forty nine other states.

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Speaker 12: Party leaders and folks that are electedly going to focus

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Speaker 12: really hard on their states.

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Speaker 13: The problem with Trump is that he's not going to be.

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Speaker 12: Able to raise money because he's already spent what sixty

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Speaker 12: million on his legal fees, probably another fifty million to go.

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Speaker 13: His people have now co opted in now running the RNC.

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Speaker 12: So again, who's going to give the rn C money

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Speaker 12: knowing that a lot of that money might just go

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Speaker 12: to pay off his legal fees. It's going to put

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Speaker 12: a lot of pressure on candidates to raise money into

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Speaker 12: their own packs, into their own organizations, where typically they

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Speaker 12: might have relied on the RNC for help. I just

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Speaker 12: don't see that as actually being there. So, look, I'm

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Speaker 12: going to support the Republican Party, the Republican ticket as strong.

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Speaker 13: As I can.

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Speaker 12: I'm a conservative, I believe in those ideals, I believe.

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Speaker 12: I'm very optimistic about the Republican Party. Whether Trump's there

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Speaker 12: or not, there's still a lot of opportunity to get

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Speaker 12: things right in this country, to get back to believing

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Speaker 12: that the individual comes first, not a bunch of liberal

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Speaker 12: elitists in Washington that are standing on the shoulders of

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Speaker 12: American families built this country, defend this country, but are being.

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Speaker 13: Told how to live their lives. People are absolutely sick

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Speaker 13: and tired of it.

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Speaker 12: So the Republican Party has a huge opportunity to have

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Speaker 12: candidates not just who's running for president, but have candidates

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Speaker 12: up and down the ballot that connect with that and

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Speaker 12: say we're going to actively make a change. We're not

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Speaker 12: just going to go and raise more money try to

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Speaker 12: get ourselves reelected, but we're going to be an active

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Speaker 12: part of a positive process that gets this country back

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Speaker 12: on track.

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Speaker 2: The Governor of New Hampshire, Chris Sanunu, speaking with us

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Speaker 2: yesterday and wanted to make sure that you heard that

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Speaker 2: conversation here on Bloomberg. As Nikki Haley stares down the

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Speaker 2: barrel of fifteen more contests this evening, and it's difficult

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Speaker 2: to tell where she might go from here Kaylee, NBC

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Speaker 2: News is reporting, of course, we know she's back in

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Speaker 2: the Charleston area. The staff at the headquarters in good

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Speaker 2: spirits today. The songs of choice, our sisters are doing

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Speaker 2: it for themselves and started from the bottom.

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Speaker 6: Ah, now we're here is the line that typically that's

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Speaker 6: how you ready for me typically follows. But it brings

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Speaker 6: me back to New Hampshire.

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Speaker 5: Joe.

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Speaker 6: Remember we were all set to go. We were there

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Speaker 6: on the ground, we were going to go to a

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Speaker 6: Ron DeSantis event one afternoon, and it turned out he

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Speaker 6: wasn't even in the state of New Hampshire. He was

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Speaker 6: in Florida, and then dropped his speech that he was

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Speaker 6: leaving the race, and of course that is what we're

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Speaker 6: on watch for. There is no signal directly from Nikki

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Speaker 6: Haley that she'd be leaving the race after these contests,

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Speaker 6: but she hasn't signaled the same commitment to stay in

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Speaker 6: past these fifteen states. Yes, that's true, as she had

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Speaker 6: to just getting to today.

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Speaker 2: As the Trump campaign targets March twelfth or nineteenth for

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Speaker 2: presumptive status, when he would mathematically have this in the bag,

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Speaker 2: it still could be mathematically impossible for her to become

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Speaker 2: the nominee tomorrow and the candidate in waiting. Ideas starting

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Speaker 2: to wear a little bit thin as Donald Trump scores

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Speaker 2: additional legal victories here and it looks like we may

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Speaker 2: not have a Jack Smith trial even before the selection.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to get an immunity decision from the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court first. Of course, the Supreme Court already yesterday

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Speaker 6: did weigh in on another Trump related matter that factors

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Speaker 6: in today because he is on the ballot in Colorado,

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Speaker 6: despite the Supreme Court there of initially saying because of

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Speaker 6: the Fourteenth Amendment he could not be, so voters there

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Speaker 6: and across fourteen other states could have the chance to

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Speaker 6: vote for him. And of course we'll continue to have

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Speaker 6: that covered for you right here, I'm Bloomberg.

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