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Speaker 1: Is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 3: we are live from Steelers training camp practice here at

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Speaker 3: beautiful Saint Vincent College in Latrope and the Steelers taking

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Speaker 3: part in practice number four today and just finished up

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Speaker 3: seven shots a little bit ago.

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Speaker 2: The offense today, Matt, very different.

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Speaker 3: I losing yesterday six to one, the offense comes back

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Speaker 3: and wins six to one, and they employed a couple

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Speaker 3: of running plays, actually really three running plays. There was

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Speaker 3: one run by Najee Harris, another one to close things out,

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Speaker 3: and in between there we had a designed run by

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Speaker 3: Justin Fields in which he just took off to his

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Speaker 3: left and beat Alex Smith run the edge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so very different results than yesterday. A very different

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Speaker 4: approach by the offense, as you mentioned, running the football

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Speaker 4: and which is a little bit of a cheat to

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Speaker 4: me when you're not tackling and playing, you know, but

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Speaker 4: it's also a cheap for the defense if that's as

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Speaker 4: I say, they know you're not you can't run the

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Speaker 4: you got to keep him honest too, and especially with

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Speaker 4: like the Fields play, high Smith needs to realize that

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Speaker 4: that's a dangerous guy around the edge and you know,

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Speaker 4: slow his role with his pursuit off the edge and

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Speaker 4: not give that up. And as good as high Smith is,

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Speaker 4: that stood out to me with Fields like, I'm not

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Speaker 4: sure what Bosa whoever is gonna mean. That's a tough

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Speaker 4: thing to defend the way that they set that up.

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Speaker 4: And there was a lot of space to you know,

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Speaker 4: to cover the side. Yeah, and and Field is basically

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Speaker 4: just racing them the pylon and he's gonna win that race.

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Speaker 4: You know, He's going you know forward, and they're gonna

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Speaker 4: turn and flip their hips. I also think, you know,

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Speaker 4: going forward, it'd be pretty tough to stop nausey at

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Speaker 4: the goal line in real games with this line and

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Speaker 4: this set up as well. But I think my biggest

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Speaker 4: takeaway from Shots was really, and this was true yesterday too,

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Speaker 4: they weren't always execute but really well designed pass routes

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Speaker 4: and pass concepts. You know, they weren't. Boy, I gotta

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Speaker 4: try to squeeze this thing in there. And the one

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Speaker 4: that they failed, Fields tried to throw it into double coverage,

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Speaker 4: maybe even threw it away. I mean they have to

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Speaker 4: sit here to tell us, but I mean that one

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Speaker 4: had a very little chance. But otherwise these guys have

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Speaker 4: been open. And it's not you know, my day's at

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Speaker 4: pit with Larry where he just threw fades. You know,

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Speaker 4: picking's being big. It's these little quick guys route concepts.

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Speaker 4: Getting a step on a safety Elliott was beat one time,

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Speaker 4: or a linebacker. You don't have to be huge, you know,

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Speaker 4: especially if the play designs there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the one though, was a pick play. Marquez Callaway

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Speaker 3: just came wide open in the in the left corner

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Speaker 3: of the end.

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Speaker 4: Zones like a pitch and catch.

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Speaker 2: Easy throw, yeah, easy throw, and you know, just put

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Speaker 2: it in in the area and let him go get it.

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Speaker 2: And that's basically what happened on that one.

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Speaker 4: And along those lines, that's why it was kind of

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Speaker 4: the theme with me, was the little receiver in the

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Speaker 4: route concepts because Pickens wasn't even in in seven shots.

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Speaker 4: That obviously was on purpose, and they didn't use heavy

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Speaker 4: personnel either. It was it was three receivers, all little

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Speaker 4: fast guys. You know, So maybe that's something they're messing

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Speaker 4: around with right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's this is the time of year to

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Speaker 3: do those kinds of things. Uh, Russell Wilson's still not

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Speaker 3: practicing today, but it does look like he's starting to

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Speaker 3: ramp things up a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: As we get through this.

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Speaker 3: I would expect him to be back on the field

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday when they return from their day off and

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Speaker 3: put the pads on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and yesterday after practice we were live and we

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Speaker 4: will be still through this one. He was throwing from

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Speaker 4: a set position, you know, he was, and he was

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Speaker 4: throwing deep balls. It looked fine. He's heavily engaged in practice.

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Speaker 4: But he's right there with the quarterback coach to play callers,

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Speaker 4: as teammates, et cetera. And there was even some bag

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Speaker 4: drills before the seven shots where he went through them.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean. He's fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he'll be He'll be back and ready to

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Speaker 3: go here. In fact, Kyle Allen talked about that earlier today.

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Speaker 3: He was asked, you know about having Russ. He goes, Look,

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Speaker 3: he's old, he's been around this a long time.

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Speaker 2: He's able to help us a lot with a lot

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Speaker 3: You know, he's still in the meeting rooms and talking

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Speaker 3: and going over film and things.

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Speaker 2: Of that nature.

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Speaker 3: So I don't see that being an issue at all.

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Speaker 3: I think again, this is just giving the other quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to line up with the ones, as we

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Speaker 3: see Justin Field's doing right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I say especially Fields. I mean he's getting a

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Speaker 4: lot of good action here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hitting George Pickens on a little crosser.

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Speaker 4: Which was interesting to me too because what they did

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Speaker 4: there is Pickens moved to the slot and we didn't

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Speaker 4: see a ton of that in his first two years,

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Speaker 4: but he's very apt to do. So you see it

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Speaker 4: across the league over the last five, six, seven, eight years,

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Speaker 4: these true boundary X types. Like when Cincinnati he started

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Speaker 4: putting a J Green the slot. I'm like, times are changing,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Yeah, And it's just if

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Speaker 4: he can get against a linebacker or certain coverages, the

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Speaker 4: porter types won't follow him in there. And what was

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Speaker 4: interesting to me that I was watching the defense, they

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Speaker 4: detached a running back outside. I think it was a

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Speaker 4: running back, It might have been a tight end, but

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Speaker 4: it was outside of Pickens. Pickings being the slot player,

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Speaker 4: and Queen had to go all the way out to

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Speaker 4: man coverage against him outside of Pickens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dante Jackson there with a with an easy interception.

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Speaker 3: Fields just kind of tried to layer one in there

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Speaker 3: to the tight end and that didn't that didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have a good view. Did that one not

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Speaker 4: get tipped?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it was just yeah, he was

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Speaker 3: just trying to feather it in there, and Dante Jackson

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Speaker 3: broke off with the receiver he was running with deep

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Speaker 3: and saw the ball in the air and picked it off.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think fans are gonna like what they see of this

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Speaker 3: offense as a whole. I do think it's going to

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Speaker 3: be more schemed up in terms of what they you know,

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Speaker 3: and uh it should be interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be interesting and nice catch Again, it's

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Speaker 4: always hard to tell, but it seems like a theme

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Speaker 4: of the offense today kind of like we talked about

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Speaker 4: seven shots is more eleven personnel. I mean, I haven't

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Speaker 4: seen a lot of heavy, you know, double tights. I

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Speaker 4: haven't seen the fullback out there yet. It's still early,

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Speaker 4: but maybe today let's say, let's get the spread this

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Speaker 4: thing out a little bit. The other thing I was

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Speaker 4: thinking about too, and I've been meaning to bring this

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Speaker 4: up for days, the defense if if Arthur Smith's gonna

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Speaker 4: be as twelve heavy, one back, two tight ends as

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Speaker 4: we think Andy was with Atlanta last year, the defense

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Speaker 4: might be, Hey, we need to see eleven.

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Speaker 2: We still we need to see it.

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Speaker 4: We're going to see seventy five percent eleven. So we

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Speaker 4: can't practice against twelve all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are going to be times in games

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Speaker 3: as well when you need to run eleven of course.

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Speaker 4: Of course, So and back to that, I've been meaning

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Speaker 4: to talk to you about this too. That so, any

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Speaker 4: personnel groupings, Atlanta is last or first third, you know

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Speaker 4: they're they're the least by far in eleven personnel. That

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Speaker 4: we just changed Kyle Pitts from a TE or a

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Speaker 4: w R, which is exactly how they used them. They

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Speaker 4: used them outside the numbers running go routes. And him

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Speaker 4: he's not much different than Pickens's. He's closer to Pickens

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Speaker 4: than he is Mark Bruner. I wonder how much different

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Speaker 4: they would be from the rest of the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not. I think that's a that's a good observation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think because he's a unique player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's why you take him where they

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Speaker 3: took him in the draft, because he's not like many

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Speaker 4: And now he is more wide receiver like so and

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Speaker 4: they didn't have good receivers, yeah, they would not and't

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Speaker 4: got Mooney and more and these dudes, so they can

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Speaker 4: play a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so, but yeah, it's all. It's all part of

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Speaker 3: And you know, they're still figuring some things out here

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Speaker 3: in terms of you know, who who should be out.

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Speaker 2: There in certain packages and things of that nature.

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Speaker 4: But that's what this is for ye who stands out,

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Speaker 4: who steps up? You know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no changes yet on the offensive line, Matt. Does

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Speaker 3: that surprise you at all that they've stuck with the

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Speaker 4: It's a great question. I think my immediate response to

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Speaker 4: Tuesdays when it starts for the O line, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean this is, you know, this

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Speaker 4: group's gonna be pretty assignment sound. I think you want

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Speaker 4: the veterans in there, not just as like a token.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna make the rookies work. But part of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they need to know their assignment so we can get

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Speaker 4: the chapter one of install in. You know, we don't

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Speaker 4: want center mistakes, right, tackle mistakes, whatever. But I will

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Speaker 4: be shocked if we get deep into practice if it's Thursday,

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Speaker 4: Friday next week when there's a lot of banging and the

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Speaker 4: one on one drills between D lineman and O linemen,

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Speaker 4: if at least one of the two doesn't get in

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Speaker 4: the into the mix, you know, or at least they're

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Speaker 4: splitting reps or you know, more of that with the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've seen splashes here and there if somebody

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Speaker 3: has to step out for a play or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Right like Proderck Jones missed a play of seven shots.

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Speaker 3: It looks like he tweaked his arm a little bit

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Speaker 3: and you immediately saw Patan who jump in there.

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Speaker 4: And I focused dead on him and he did a

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Speaker 4: really good job a going to C. J. Watt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yesterday, you know, so what what Arthur Smith is

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Speaker 3: doing here if the offensive lineman false start or something

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Speaker 3: like that, he's making him take a lap around the field.

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Speaker 2: Broderick had to do it yesterday. Roderick had to do

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Speaker 2: that yesterday. And Fatan who jumps right in.

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Speaker 4: Mm hm, So I mean keep your keep things sharp.

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Speaker 4: There's obviously a lot of depth there, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of pedigree, so that will be interesting. I haven't seen

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Speaker 4: a whole lot of frasier with that group, but I

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Speaker 4: would think that's coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But but Herbig seems to be doing fine.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely the center.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been pleasantly surprised with how he has

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Speaker 4: And I think we're gonna see less shotgun too. I mean,

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson. We're live from Steelers training camp practice

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Speaker 3: here at Saint Vincent College, Practice number four taking place

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Speaker 3: as we speak here in front of us. And during

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Speaker 4: Just a really active play. That really active player. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Played quite a few snaps in the league as well.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they'll use him that way? Or I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know he has path protected and his life.

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Speaker 2: other day and we're looking at him and he obviously

439
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 2: he's not in pads. He goes that is that Cordero

440
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,200
Speaker 2: Patterson standing over there and I'm like, yeah, I guess, man,

441
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 2: I didn't.

442
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,760
Speaker 4: Realize how big he was. Yeah, I mean he's not

443
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 4: a skinny little guy. I mean he's a thing like

444
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 4: that's you know.

445
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 3: And he ran a four to something at the you know,

446
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 3: I said, that's why he went in the first round.

447
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that size and that speed is enticing.

448
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely and ball, I urge people, if you really want

449
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 4: to do jaw dropping stuff, you brought up to a

450
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 4: high school film. Yeah, esterday Quarteroll Patterson's tape at Tennessee.

451
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,120
Speaker 4: It's like they got on the ball every which way,

452
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 4: kicking game end around, quick hitters, and he is putting

453
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 4: on a show. You know. And I don't know this

454
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,360
Speaker 4: off the top of my head, but you mentioned him,

455
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 4: you know, as a draft prospect and combine, I want

456
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 4: to say he was like two hundred and fifteen two

457
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 4: hundred and eighteen pounds. I mean, he's pretty strapped together

458
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 4: and he might be heavier in that now. Yeah, I

459
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 4: think he actually is as we all are when we

460
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 4: uh yeah, yeah, I mean as we get older. They

461
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 4: might not run a four to two anymore, but or

462
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,719
Speaker 4: four to three anymore. But he's he's got a lot

463
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 4: of masks.

464
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 3: Powerfully built guy. I'm looking here to see what his

465
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 3: uh this combine his combine numbers were, but he yeah,

466
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 3: he's actually thirty three. Now I was, yeah, wrong with that,

467
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, let's take a look at his draft

468
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 3: combine and prospect profile here.

469
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Speaker 2: I know he was off the charge with a lot

470
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 2: of stuff.

471
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 4: I bet his change direction and stuff was really good.

472
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 4: And again he's he's a bigger than a Percy Harvin

473
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 4: and way bigger than a dree Yarcher. So he was.

474
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 3: He was six to sixteen at the combine, ran a

475
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 3: four to four to two with thirty seven inch broad

476
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 3: jump or thirty seven inch vertical ten eight on the

477
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 3: broad So lots of explosiveness there as well.

478
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 4: Very very much so. And this sounds crazy, but that

479
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 4: was ten years ago, eleven years ago. People test better

480
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 4: now than then, you know, like that was one of

481
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 4: the best in INDYE that year.

482
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you think about him in the same fashion

483
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: as a guy you mentioned how all the different ways

484
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 3: that Tennessee got him the football in college, you got

485
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 3: to think of him more like like Percy Harvin. Yeah,

486
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 3: that's kind of what kind of player he was when

487
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: he came out.

488
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I even mentioned Dree Archer, which isn't fair

489
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 4: because he's fifty pounds heavier than Archer and he's a

490
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: real football player. But that was the intention of coach

491
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 4: Hayley when he was here. He drafted Dexter mccluster of

492
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: the year before with the Chiefs and Archer. Well, Patterson's

493
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 4: really the NFL version of those guys.

494
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, which is why he

495
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why he last Vikings took him twenty

496
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: ninth overall.

497
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 4: He can run routes, but he's not a great route runner,

498
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 4: or he would have stayed at receiver, you know. But

499
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 4: his best year was with Arthur Smith carrying the ball.

500
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 3: And you see some of that. I can't remember what

501
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 3: receiver it was. Might be with the Chiefs were one

502
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 3: of those teams where they're taking one of those shifty

503
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: wide receiver guys and we're gonna use him a little

504
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: bit as a running back, speaking.

505
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 4: Of which I heard yesterday they moved Thereius Tony to

506
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 4: running back.

507
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

508
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, same style of player as Cordell or Patterson, only Patterson's.

509
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 4: Much bigger, much bigger. Yeah, And they have some weird fluidity, explosiveness,

510
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 4: movement skills that don't look like everybody else, and you.

511
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: Just want to try to find ways to get them

512
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 3: the football in their hands. And you know, that's kind

513
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: of what Arthur Smith unlocked with Patterson in Atlanta, because

514
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 3: nobody ever really tried him as a true running back.

515
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 4: Now in the past, and there's so many of those

516
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean again going back to Archer mccluster, and you

517
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 4: know that don't work. I mean it's real. The hash

518
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 4: marks and the speed of this game are so much

519
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 4: different than college that you could just throw those guys

520
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 4: bubble screens to the wide side of the field and

521
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 4: they're gonna get eight yards, you know, like every time,

522
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: even the little dudes, the bigger ones. But the fact

523
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 4: that Patterson made it not as a gadget guy, but

524
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: it is kind of a someone doesn't have a true home,

525
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 4: you know, for much of his career is separates him

526
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: from a lot of those guys.

527
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: It still lasts as long as he has.

528
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: That's what I mean, right, Like Tony's got moved the

529
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 4: running back because.

530
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 2: You can't catch football, he's on the way out. Yeah,

531
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: it struggles with the catching part of the football.

532
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: And doesn't run the right routes and you can't be trusted. Yeah.

533
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's an interesting signing for the Steelers, and

534
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: it's no coincidence in my eyes that they did that

535
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: immediately after.

536
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 4: The rule change came here and the owner's meeting. He

537
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 4: got announced like an hour later, you know.

538
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: But you're looking at a guy in his career. He's

539
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: average four point nine yards of carry over the course

540
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 3: of his career.

541
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 4: Are you looking at his bio? Now, I'm curio what

542
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 4: he averaged that year with the end his most yardage?

543
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 4: His best year in Atlanta was he over five.

544
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: His best year in Atlanta was in twenty twenty two.

545
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, before Bijeon got there.

546
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had one hundred and forty four carries for

547
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: six ninety five. That's four point eight four point eight five.

548
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: Okay as a legitimate like oh he was like in

549
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: fantasy leagues as a running back. Yeah yeah, I mean

550
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: he was getting regular carries every week. And then they

551
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: drafted Bijon and he kind of moved the three with

552
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: two guys really good ahead of him. Yeah.

553
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: If you looked at him in his career, five hundred

554
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: and fourteen carries, but most of those, let's see, that'd

555
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 3: be two oh three in three hundred and forty seven

556
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: of those came in year yeah, yeah, three.

557
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: Over three seasons.

558
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 4: I say. The other ones are end to rounds or

559
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 4: a gadgety move here and there. And early in his

560
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: career he was a bit of a tell you know,

561
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 4: like if he comes on the field, alert, alert, something

562
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: weird is gonna happen here. But he's really evolved. Well

563
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 4: and oh, by the way, he's potentially the best kickoff

564
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 4: returner ever ever. Yeah right, right, a long time ever.

565
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 4: Was a long time and more I think about it,

566
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: much of his career, kickoffs didn't matter. You're like, if

567
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: it was old school where they didn't just blast it

568
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 4: out of that if you got more opportunities these past five

569
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 4: years when they weren't just blasted out of the end zone,

570
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 4: might he have two or three more touchdowns?

571
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: Well, he's been a guy if if you watch him

572
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: over the course of his career, and obviously we've gotten

573
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: to see him a lot.

574
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: He didn't care if the ball is kicked nine yards

575
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: deep in the end zone. He was still bringing it out.

576
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he definite kind of everybody else, Yeah,

577
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: had that kind of trust in his ability and you know,

578
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: you look at what he's done in that regard is

579
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: a return guy, and it's it's amazing. I know, he's

580
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 4: the most touchdowns ever and I'm sure his average is

581
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: near to the top of all time.

582
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you just look at his what he's

583
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: done is a is a return guy.

584
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: It's uh, well, let's see here.

585
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: He's averaged over the course of his career, averaged twenty

586
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: nine point three yards per kick return.

587
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: Okay, really really good.

588
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: That's really good, right.

589
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: Right, he started to thirty every time he returns a kick.

590
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 4: You'll take it two.

591
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: Years ago again, he's thirty one years old. With the

592
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons, he was thirty one point six yards and

593
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: he was their lead running back that year.

594
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a lot of work. He got the

595
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 4: ball a lot of different ways.

596
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

597
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: So, I mean you look at those averages as a

598
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: rookie thirty two point four the next year's twenty five

599
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: point six thirty one point eight thirty one point seven

600
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: led the league and kickoff kick return average in three.

601
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 4: Of his first four years in the really really wow. So,

602
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: I mean he's in contention for the best kick returners

603
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: they ever played in this league, and he's.

604
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: Consistently broken one off pretty much.

605
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: He's had a kick return for a touchdown every year,

606
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: but one, two every year.

607
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: But four. I'm sure there's a couple of multiples.

608
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's there's some two of us. He had

609
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: four in his first three seasons and he didn't have

610
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: any in his second year.

611
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: Okay, so he had two each in both of those years. Hey,

612
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: if you get one out of him. And it's hard

613
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 4: to comment because the kickoff rules changed so much, I

614
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 4: don't even know what to expect. But if he he's

615
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: a top five returner this year, great, Yeah, and he

616
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: plays ten snaps a game on offense.

617
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 3: Well, here's where I think the the actually playing running

618
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: back the last few years will actually help him with.

619
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 4: The Yeah, seen a little bit different.

620
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to see it just a little bit

621
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: differently because it's really going to be like a zone

622
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: stretch play.

623
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, as much

624
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 4: zone as Smith ran with Atlanta, and he did it

625
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: well Patterson.

626
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: I mean, and he's getting it's gonna be even differently.

627
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: He gets to see it from farther back. Now, Yeah,

628
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: this is like.

629
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: And hit it, hit it at full speed as opposed

630
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: to doing it from five yards behind the line line

631
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: of scrimms, planting, planning your foot in the ground and going, Yeah,

632
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: he can have a full head of steam.

633
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: It's like a sixth grader going back and doing first

634
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: grade math. Yeah, like I do this and this is slower, easier,

635
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 4: more space to see.

636
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. So I think he I think he

637
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: could get a couple this year. I just wonder. So

638
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: the way the rule is, if you kick the ball,

639
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: just kick it out of bounds, kick it through the

640
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: end Z one out of bounds.

641
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: Teams get it at the.

642
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 4: Thirty right, which is pretty darn nice but nice. Yeah,

643
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 4: but if Patterson's super explosive teams might start doing that

644
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 4: to the Steelers.

645
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: I mean to a point, because you're going to reach

646
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: a point in Pittsburgh or some of the other games

647
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: that they play. If you're in Cleveland or Baltimore or

648
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: some of these other cold weather cities that that's on,

649
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to get it.

650
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: There, especially all the Asky North games Steels played in

651
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 4: the second half of the season. Yeah.

652
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: Good, So I really think that can be the difference

653
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 3: for this team. You know, in a couple of these games.

654
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: We talk about the Steelers winning so many close games

655
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: last year, Well, you get a kick return for a touchdown.

656
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe it's not quite as close.

657
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: I've been stressing this a lot since the Mattic Kavitch signing,

658
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Speaker 4: which we haven't talked a ton about. But let's be

659
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Speaker 4: conservative and say Patterson's a top five kickoff returner. I

660
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 4: think that's safe to say. He's the best one has

661
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: ever been looking at this punter. I can't imagine he's

662
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: not a top five punter. We know Boz is a

663
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Speaker 4: top five kicker, maybe number one. And I believe with

664
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Speaker 4: Matta Kavie and Killer Brew, you have two of the

665
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: top ten true special teamers in the league, you know,

666
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: and a good special teams coach. And to be determined

667
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: on the other guys, you know, I mean, who else

668
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: steps up to be the next James Pierre and those guys.

669
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Speaker 4: But they'll figure that out. Yeah.

670
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Speaker 3: I had the opportunity Matty Kaevich talk to the media

671
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: today and I asked him, I said, you you happy

672
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: with this new kickoff role? He goes, yeah, I don't

673
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: have to run sixty yards down the field anymore to

674
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Speaker 3: make the play and.

675
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Speaker 4: Okay, you know he's a linebacker at heart too.

676
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, He's like this is this is it's

677
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: more like playing regular defense here for a guy like Patterson.

678
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: But he doesn't have to play coverage. I mean he's

679
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 4: not dropping backwards or you know, reading things that yeah

680
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: are his issues.

681
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think this allows him to get you know,

682
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: they're going to go forward. It's just attacked the line

683
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: of scrimmage basically, and you know, from five yards out

684
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: and see where it goes. But it is going to

685
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: be like an outside zone stretch here and you know

686
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: you're getting You're getting Cordill Patterson there with a head

687
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: of steam, with the head.

688
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Of steam running through that.

689
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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I can't wait to see that stuff. And

690
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: I'd be shocked, as you ma yesterday that if we

691
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: see it before Tuesday, there will be tons when they

692
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: do the joint practice with the Bills, there will be

693
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: tons in the preseason, you know, to really analyze it

694
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: across the league. But that'll be interesting just to see

695
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: it in person, how everyone lines up and what the

696
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 4: plan is.

697
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that's one thing he said, is

698
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Speaker 3: like I know a lot of the guys are going

699
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: to be watching the Hall of Fame game, Yeah, to

700
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: see to see how the you know, how teams approach

701
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: this and how what this looks like, because that's going

702
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: to be the first opportunity to do it. We'll see

703
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Speaker 3: when the officials come in on Tuesday here how they

704
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Speaker 3: do it. I guess they had a meeting in Dallas

705
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: for the officials to go over the rules and things

706
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: for this, and I expect this thing to be continuing

707
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: to be tweaked, yeah, throughout the process as they try

708
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: to figure it out. In fact, I had heard that

709
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: the league, you mentioned the joint practices that everybody is

710
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: having the.

711
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: League be more valuable in preseason games.

712
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: Wants all the teams to put together any any reps

713
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: that they do in those joint practices of the kickoff rule.

714
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: They want the league wants the teams to send them

715
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: that that so they can kind of put together a

716
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: teach tape of how this is all gonna look.

717
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: I mean, of course every bit of practice gets filmed,

718
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: but if they're gonna if that's a request from you know,

719
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: the league saying send us every kickoff rep you guys do,

720
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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're they're trying to figure out what they're

721
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: going to show the reps, the rules on the analysts

722
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: and all those type of things too.

723
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Speaker 2: This is okay, this is not.

724
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone's trying to cheat this way. Let's let's not

725
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: let them when we get to the regular season. That's

726
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: that's pretty cool.

727
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: The other thing about this rule that's going to be

728
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: strange is that the offense and defense, the coverage unit

729
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: in the in the receiving team other than the return

730
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: guys aren't allowed to move their feet until the ball

731
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Speaker 3: is touched.

732
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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a weird look like watching.

733
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: Stars you're going to see on or whatever. They're gonna

734
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: call that good part, you know, because somebody unnatural.

735
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be really unnatural. Fans are roaring. It's

736
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: opening day or first opening kickoff, and everyone's excited and

737
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 4: jumping out of their skin to get moving, you know.

738
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: I could see that the ripple effect too, though. Special

739
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 4: teams aside is I'm sure the league really dislikes that

740
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: scoring is down as much as it is, and every

741
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: year it's gone down a little and a little more,

742
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: and trips to the red zone or less frequent. Big

743
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: plays are less frequent, So if the league as a

744
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: whole has better starting field position, that's gonna end up

745
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: scoring point shoot equal more points. Fans will like get better,

746
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: you know.

747
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, at the same time, you know,

748
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: one of the things that they wanted to legislate. You're

749
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: never gonna get it completely out of the game, but

750
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: get out of the game is is concussions. And you

751
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: know that was one of the reasons. That was one

752
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: of the reasons why. Uh, you know, they they tried

753
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: to do away with some of the high speed collisions there.

754
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: And you saw from from two thousand and twenty two

755
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two, there were thirteen

756
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: concussions across the league on kickoffs.

757
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: Last year there were eight.

758
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: So you had it worked, It did what it was

759
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: supposed to do, but you didn't have as many returns

760
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: and it wasn't exciting.

761
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: And that's when people go to the fridge or the bathroom. Yeah,

762
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: and yeah, they tune out, right, Yeah.

763
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Speaker 3: I mean I think the Steelers last year as a team,

764
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: they returned twenty four kickoffs and their opponents returned I

765
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Speaker 3: think seventeen or eighteen all season all season.

766
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Speaker 4: Wow, So I didn't realize that.

767
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's one of the things that the league

768
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: is trying to bring the kick return back to the game.

769
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Speaker 2: We'll see if this has the desired effect. Let's get

770
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Speaker 2: to a break. He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly.

771
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Speaker 3: You're listening here to us live from Steelers training camp

772
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: at Saint Bencent College on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox

773
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: Sports Pittsburgh. Matt and I will be back with more

774
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Speaker 3: right after this.

775
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

776
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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

777
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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

778
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.

779
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Speaker 4: He is the Matt Williamson going on over there because

780
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: sorry micro hot I heard and then as I was

781
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Speaker 4: coming out of my mouth, that.

782
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: Was Pat Farmouth with a I don't know if that

783
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: was if they considered that a catch.

784
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: I don't think they called it one, but boy, it

785
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: was still very important.

786
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: Ended up catching the football, but I think he fell

787
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: out of bounds.

788
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna got one foot in, but that

789
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: was a very athletic, impressive play.

790
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry for a big man.

791
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Speaker 4: Ye. The tight ends to me have been some of

792
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 4: the standouts of this camp, especially yeah, especially him.

793
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: But Hayward looks good. Yes, you mentioned Michael Prude earlier.

794
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: He's he's done some good things out there, Darnold Washing.

795
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: I mean these guys, these guys have come to play.

796
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to talk about a couple of them.

797
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: I mean, Hayward, We've been talking more and more about

798
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 4: motion and things. I think he's a real motion player.

799
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 4: You know, they're using him when he's out there. Rarely

800
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: is he static in a set alignment Washington. When he

801
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: got drafted, he tested extremely, extremely well and he got here,

802
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: and frankly, I was a little disappointed with his athleticism,

803
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: his burst, his speed as a rookie, and he I

804
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: guess there is some knee things there in his past.

805
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah. That being said, I mean, whatever

806
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: he did the offseason, he looks a little twitchier. To me,

807
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: he looks a little I don't know if he's leaner

808
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: or not, but he's definitely moving better than he did

809
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: a year ago. Here.

810
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder you know they one of the reasons

811
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: he fell in the draft was because of that that

812
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: knee issue.

813
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: And I just wind to catch right now.

814
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if it looks you know, really watching

815
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: them focus on him whole time you're.

816
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: There, it looked different than he did last year. And

817
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 3: I wonder if that that knee issue was just something

818
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: that he was he had banged up in his final.

819
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: Season at Georgia and just lingered.

820
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: And didn't have time to actually rehabit or anything like

821
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: that over the course of the offseason because he's getting

822
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: ready for the draft. Probably then he goes right into

823
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: the NFL season and.

824
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: Now all the time, yeah, you know, doing your best

825
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: to stay on the field, and you're not yourself.

826
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: Now he's had some time to work on it a

827
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: little bit, and it does.

828
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: Look different he does, you know, because Frankly, his best

829
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 4: plays at Georgia, and they had brought Bauer so he

830
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 4: wasn't like a featured receiver, were very impressive were downfield

831
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: plays hurtling people, and college is different. But you know,

832
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: you didn't see a lot of that here. He was

833
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: mostly used as an inline blocker, and his routes were

834
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: very rudimentary and very close to the line of scrimmage,

835
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 4: Like the route that we were just talking about there,

836
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 4: he shook a defender, he got down field, he brought,

837
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: you know, burst to the outside. I don't know that

838
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: I saw that all after him last year, right, Right,

839
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: So he's an intriguing potential breakout player. And I mentioned

840
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: his combine and you and I have talked about this

841
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: since he's not gonna play like he tested. I mean,

842
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: he's two hundred and seventy pounds or something like that.

843
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: With the forty he ran, I'm sure was aided by

844
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 4: great track technique. You know, he's not wearing pads, and

845
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: you know he's he's not gonna run forty yards down

846
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 4: the middle of the field and run away from guys

847
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: like George Kittle. You know that that ship probably has sailed,

848
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 4: but if he could take a step forward, he's gonna

849
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: be on the field a lot.

850
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

851
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: That again, that last catch that he had was very athletic,

852
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: very you know. I just that that little wiggle that

853
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: he showed at the top of the route and then

854
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: coming back to the football was again something we just

855
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: hadn't seen last year.

856
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 4: And the size is still he's still gonna box you out,

857
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

858
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're still gonna you can't get through him to get.

859
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 4: To the football. Yeah, And I'd love to see him.

860
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: Can he catch three touchdowns where he just is the rebounder,

861
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 4: you know? Yeah?

862
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, and I definitely think that's you know,

863
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: that's one of Russell Wilson's strengths, Yeah, is you know,

864
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: knowing where to go with the football and those kinds

865
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: of situations down tight.

866
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: Theyward catch on too, Yeah, little out one too, So

867
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 4: these sight ends are getting involved.

868
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: I think Hayward's gonna be a real weapon.

869
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: I do too. I'd love him after the catch. I

870
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: think he's a really developed or outrunner. If there's a

871
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: fullback somewhere in the mix, and there will be, he

872
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: could get some of that stuff. I mean he probably

873
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: carries the ball five or six times this year, I

874
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: mean I don't know, something like that, and probably under ten.

875
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: But on an end, a round or all the motion

876
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: stuff before the snap that he's done too. So he's intriguing.

877
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: And I'm sure Danny Smith loved him too. Yeah.

878
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, they get they've got guys at that

879
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: position that I don't think well last year.

880
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: I think the tight end's got like ninety three targets

881
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: as a whole.

882
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: It'll be way high.

883
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna double that, but I think

884
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: they get one hundred and thirty.

885
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: I mean Friar Moth might get ninety. Yeah, I bet

886
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 4: he gets eighty. Yeah, assuming some reasonable amount of health

887
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: for the for the whole group. And I guess I

888
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: should have noticed this is Williams out there today. I remember, Okay,

889
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: I didn't expect them.

890
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: That was an ac joint issue for him, so I

891
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: wouldn't expect to see him out there maybe for a while.

892
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 4: Okay, Harris showing some bursts. Yeah, he looked pretty sharp

893
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: there too.

894
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: I thought that was I'll do a double check there

895
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: on the number on that one because he hit that

896
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: hole and it's.

897
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, they showed a little lateral juke there too

898
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: to his left. Yeah, real quick. On Williams, you know,

899
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 4: you feel for him, especially after the Pruet signing, because

900
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: he's probably number five, you know, even though he's a

901
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: really good special teamer and he did a lot of

902
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 4: good stuff here. But assuming one of the four ahead

903
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: of him get hurt at some point during the year,

904
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: the chance of all being healthy is slim. He's going

905
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 4: to be an adequate replacement, possibly off the practice squad

906
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: if you can, you know, stash him there.

907
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might actually help the Steelers.

908
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: Although, yeah, you know, he did put out a lot

909
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: of film last year of him playing special.

910
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Teams, so.

911
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 4: You know, people don't know who he is.

912
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to sneak.

913
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: Up on that. But then he's had a ton of

914
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: preseason snaps again.

915
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: And I really think with again getting back to what

916
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: we were just talking about, with the kickoff role, you're

917
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: going to see a lot of tight ends linebackers.

918
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 4: Teams might keep more of them. Yeah, Yeah, the two

919
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five to maybe two twenty to two

920
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: sixty pound guys there are gonna be more on more

921
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: involved in special teams this year than probably ever.

922
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: And some defensive an offensive lineman maybe maybe.

923
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, I do think

924
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to mix and match some in terms

925
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: of what's your what's your opposent, what's your opponent put

926
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: out there? Yeah, because you don't want you know, if

927
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: I've got a defensive back out there, I don't want

928
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: my defensive back win against somebody's two hundred and seventy

929
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: five pound defensive end.

930
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not that's from five yards away. You might

931
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: be able to duck that, but you might not, you

932
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: might not.

933
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: And mis gets splattered, Yeah, like a fly on a

934
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: Winshow nice plight there By forty one, they're breaking it

935
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: up to he's having a good practice. That's Peyton wilson by.

936
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: But I really like what I've seen him.

937
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. So back to the special team stuff.

938
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: People probably remember orphe's Roy and Brett Keesol running down

939
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 4: on kickoffs and that was a bit of an anomaly.

940
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 4: There's a lot that doesn't happen a lot, but if

941
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: they were the same types, they would definitely be out

942
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 4: there this.

943
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: Year, no doubt, no doubt. I'll be interested to see, like,

944
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, can Loudermilk do that?

945
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: Can Lee Al do that? Maybe even Kealanu Benton at

946
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 4: times do that? About Lee, I don't know if you'll

947
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: get a helmet on games.

948
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: That's going to be a thing. Is he going to

949
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: get a helmet? But I'm pretty sure those other guys

950
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: have a good shot of you know, at least one

951
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: of them. You know that we know Benton is going

952
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: to be be that guy. Nice blitz there by, Deshaun

953
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: Elliott play.

954
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 4: There's been a lot of d back blitzes today too.

955
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: Really has.

956
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: The other thing you're noticing a lot today. And again

957
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 4: sometimes if you're in practice meetings, you know, the head

958
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: coach kind of has to decide sometimes we need to

959
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: really help the defense in this one with looks, or

960
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: we really need to help the offense with looks. So

961
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if this means that the offense is

962
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: going to do this to no end, but a lot

963
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: of spread sets today, a lot fewer double tight end sets.

964
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 4: I've seen we have a full back detached. I've seen

965
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: Warren detached. I've seen Harris detached quite a bit, spread

966
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: out a little bit more. And maybe that's just to

967
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 4: give the defense a look, but I'm sure that it's

968
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: looks like is going to be running with the.

969
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Fall start and he takes off immediately.

970
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: He feels shame, he feels shame, he's saying bad words,

971
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: he's making a little lap, And.

972
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: I did like so in previous years when they've made

973
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: a mistake like that that you know that they have

974
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 3: pulled them out of there. The running of the lap, though,

975
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: that's an Arthur Smith thing.

976
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I didn't know where that came from. You

977
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: kind of mentioned it briefly last segment of the segment

978
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: before and so that's him.

979
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, okay, the full Coletto catching the catching

980
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: the ball there as a full back.

981
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: I ignored Kletto thinking, yeah, he's, you know, the ninetieth

982
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: guy or whatever, he's ever going to make this team.

983
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 4: But he's the only player at his position, you know,

984
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 4: like he's gonna play in the preseason and he's gonna

985
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: be out there team drills next week.

986
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just depends on again what you know, what

987
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: do you consider Hayward and those.

988
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 4: You know, can those guys be good enough? Yeah at

989
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 4: full back, especially Hayward? Yeah, or is one become available

990
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 4: that is a big time fullback. I mean there's not

991
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: many have employed. Like I think last year twelve teams

992
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 4: had a.

993
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: Full back off and I think the year before that

994
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: it was sixteen. So it's actually going the other way.

995
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: But the Shanahan offenses do like it, you know what

996
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: I'm yeah, but they're more use check types.

997
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: Boy, somebody came off the edge of really quickly.

998
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 4: That was is it herbig? Oh? As herbig?

999
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, crafty one. That makes sense, that makes sense. That's

1000
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: uh yeah, he was in the backfield, almost took the handoff.

1001
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 4: So I meant to bring this up to you too.

1002
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 4: And we've been talking a lot of special teams this hour.

1003
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: Herbig led the team in special team snaps and was

1004
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 4: very good at it. Is team played less because he's

1005
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 4: the third outside guy as opposed to the fourth, you

1006
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

1007
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna be the case.

1008
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 4: I would definitely think he's on kickoff.

1009
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you still use him in those situations.

1010
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: He's he's not a starter, you know.

1011
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's out there right now with Jeremiah Moon on

1012
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: the other side of him there. And Moon's an interesting

1013
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: guy as well, because you know, he was with the

1014
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: Ravens last year, you know, so you know, much like

1015
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: this the Steelers guys, they got good coaching.

1016
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I would think, as it stands today,

1017
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: subject to change, that if they keep four players at

1018
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: that position, Moon's probably the most likely to make the team.

1019
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah you think.

1020
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: I do like Paralys as well. Yeah, he did some

1021
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: good things, yeah, yeah, so.

1022
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: He could he can find his way onto this roster.

1023
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: Marcus Calloway with another nice catch there, and he's having

1024
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: a nice little practice.

1025
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. The receivers as a whole look decent, you know.

1026
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: I y Yeah, somebody's making plays and we're seeing more

1027
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: receivers on the field at once, et cetera.

1028
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: You know, I wrote about this a few weeks ago

1029
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: in my five for Friday, and you know, got the

1030
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: typical responses that you'd think you'd get on social media

1031
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: about it. But if you look at the guys that

1032
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: they brought in here outside of Scotty Miller, Scotti Miller

1033
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: never had a huge season, you know, in Tampa or

1034
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: any but Callaway's had a fifty catch season.

1035
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I see where we're going with this.

1036
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Van Jeff Jeffers said a catch season. Ques Watkins

1037
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: has had, you know, has an eight hundred yard year.

1038
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: I mean, these these guys.

1039
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: Are not throwaway players.

1040
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 4: No, not at all. And really, if only one of

1041
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 4: them can have can match their best season, you don't

1042
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: need all three to match their best season. If one

1043
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: of those three that you just mentioned could match their

1044
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: best season, okay, then that's a very worthwhile signing.

1045
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get you get seven or eight hundred

1046
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: yards out of your number two receiver or you're you're

1047
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 2: you know, or however you want to use that pecking order.

1048
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, you're looking to replace what Deontay

1049
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 3: Johnson had last year. And Deontay Johnson had fifty catches

1050
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: for seven hundred you know, seven hundred plus yards.

1051
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: That's you know. Now you'd like to be better than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1052
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: but you've also drafted Roman Wilson here. That's also the baseline. Yeah,

1053
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: you need somebody to get there to the neighbor.

1054
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: Well, they got guys that can do that.

1055
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I think Calvin Austin the best is

1056
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 4: yet to come to Yeah.

1057
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: I mean he only had sixteen catches last year, right,

1058
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: so I think that number goes up. So I don't

1059
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: know that the cupboard is completely bare at wide receivers.

1060
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: As some people, they're in some ways largely unproven.

1061
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 4: But they aren't. They are, but They'mproven's kind of a

1062
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: weird word for it, because they have proven things. Yeah,

1063
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 4: and they've proven they all belong in the league, you know,

1064
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: And so can they prove to be a featured player

1065
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: or a heavily snapped guy. That's where it needs to

1066
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 4: be determined.

1067
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Jefferson was essentially the number two in twenty

1068
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: twenty one, next to Cooper Cup Yeah yeah, and again

1069
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: had had I think it was like fifty four catches

1070
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: or something like that for over eight you know, eight

1071
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: hundred yards.

1072
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't like he had a bad season. And

1073
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: then he got hurt. Then he got hurt too, and

1074
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: so and then they draft pooking the Kua. Oh, we

1075
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: don't need you anymore because this guy's really good.

1076
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: Yep. And to two atwell was in the mix there

1077
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: as well, and yeah, no doubt, so we'll see.

1078
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think this this preseason is

1079
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 2: gonna go along way for those guys.

1080
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 4: But no, I haven't been uh preseason go a long

1081
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: way for these guys.

1082
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: I haven't been displeased with what I've seen from these

1083
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: guys on a day to day basis.

1084
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 4: Now got some kind of ugliness out there. Right now

1085
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: he's botched a snap, and the one before that the

1086
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 4: defense dropped off sides, and I have a feeling Coach

1087
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: Tom is going to be given this group an earful.

1088
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody gets a earful there. He can't do that stuff, No.

1089
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 4: Get that out of your system.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, get that out now. Don't do that when the

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Speaker 2: game start here.

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Speaker 3: But let's get to another break that's going to do

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Speaker 3: it for our number one of the drive here on

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Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. Matt and I

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Speaker 3: will be back with our number two right after this