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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that with your mouth, Vely, that's good. Hello, Kate,

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Speaker 1: Hi Oliver, what word rhymes with block? I would talk no,

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Speaker 1: Tony Hawk. This was an extreme treat for me. Tony

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Speaker 1: Hawk was an idol of mine. I grew up skating

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Speaker 1: in the eighties. You know, for him to come on

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Speaker 1: the show, especially with his brother Steve, who by the way,

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Speaker 1: children's in our lives, the cousins because they're skating now

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Speaker 1: the Hudson family for sure. It was really really special.

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Speaker 1: Tony Hawk is a legend, and you know when you

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Speaker 1: get to interview someone like that and really get into

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Speaker 1: their life and be there with their sibling. And I

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Speaker 1: love watching, especially in athletes. I mean it's one thing

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Speaker 1: when you know someone becomes famous and they're like in

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Speaker 1: and that usually the family has been involved with m

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Speaker 1: cheering them on. Yeah, and Steve was the one who

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Speaker 1: it was cool to talk to Steve, who's his older brother,

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Speaker 1: who gave us some real insight into who Tony was

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Speaker 1: Tony was by the way, you know, he signed all

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Speaker 1: the boards and their hats and you know, it was

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Speaker 1: he was just he was cool. I mean I was

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Speaker 1: I was like fanboying out myself. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: hey Tony, just like me, Tony, please, just I'm here,

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Speaker 1: And it made me think about you know, there are

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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't fade. He just gets sort of

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Speaker 1: and they won the skateboarding show up short one and

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen this short, it's so awesome. And

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Speaker 1: Tony Hawk pro Skater. You know that that again I

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Speaker 1: pro Skater one and two, which is just an updated

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Speaker 1: everyone was filming everything back then and putting it. I mean,

429
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: I don't know where you don't get well, that was

430
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: that was when we shifted from relying on your competitive

431
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: results to be recognized. Yeah. So then it became well,

432
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: what's the new videos videos coming out? What are the

433
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: new tricks? And and you didn't have to compete to

434
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: make a living or to be a name. You could

435
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: just put out awesome videos. And when did the board

436
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: style change to sort of the trick board, you know

437
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? That early early nineties? So you know

438
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: what one interesting, uh little piece of history there. Did

439
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: you see the Bones Brigade video the first one that

440
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: Peel put out in eighty four? Palta, Yeah, three four.

441
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: So Stacey came down to our parents' house for a

442
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: contest that was at the Oasis, I think, right? And

443
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: or were we no del Mar? Delmar? That's it? Was

444
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: the apartment. It was the apartment. Yeah. So, and the

445
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: premiere of that video, which which arguably was the first

446
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: action sports video ever made that was just for video.

447
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: The premiere was in our living room and it was like,

448
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, Christian Husoy and Stevie and the whole bones

449
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: were gay crew, my parents. I'm talking about a very

450
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: small place in that apartment. Yeah, but it's crazy. I

451
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: was so obsessed with all you as a as a

452
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: brother that's twelve years older, did you ever worry about

453
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: him in that environment with the kind of a crew,

454
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: and you know, never, especially after he connected with Stacy Pralta.

455
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: You know, Stacy was was a good guardian. What was

456
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: that relationship? Like you know or is? But what was it?

457
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: Was it? How did you guys meet and how did

458
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: you get tight? Well scanning it was a very small community,

459
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: so any skate event, everyone was there and they usually

460
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: moved around, mostly in the skate parks southern California, Del

461
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: Mar upland Wittier, what else, Marine Bio, Marina, Del Rey. Yeah,

462
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: so it was just kind of like everyone was there.

463
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: And then at one point I remember distinctly Stacy asking

464
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: me I was sponsored by Dogtown at the time, that

465
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: was my first sponsor. And he sat next to me

466
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: at upland it said, how's how's Dogtown treating you? And

467
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,239
Speaker 1: I was just like, good, I don't know what. How

468
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: are they supposed to treat me. They give me skateboards,

469
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: that seems good to me. And it was at that

470
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: moment where I thought, was he actually inquire like that,

471
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: he'd be interested, you know what I mean? To me,

472
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: it was this major deal. And then like six months

473
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: later he called our house you know, back then, long time,

474
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: his phone called calling right and he said, hey, Tony,

475
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: I heard dog Town went out of business. And I said, oh,

476
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't gotten any skateboards from them in

477
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: the last month or so. And he said, oh, I'd

478
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: like you to come up to Marina and talk about

479
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: riding for Powell. And then even then, nineteen eighty one

480
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: Powell team was that was the top, like that was

481
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: the elite. Bones were gad they had cav they had

482
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: Ray Bones, they had McGill, they had Rodney. They was

483
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: just like you know they were and it was just

484
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: like he wants to talk to me, Wow. And it

485
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: was a shock because my style of skating was kind

486
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: of mostly made fun of during that time. Why because

487
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: I was smaller, and I figured out how to allie

488
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: into my aerials, so that was the only way I

489
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: could get any height out of the pool. Everyone else

490
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: just used their or their weight and their speed, and

491
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: I didn't have the weight, so I just figured out

492
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: how I could do these aerials by sort of all

493
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: eyeing into the air and then grabbed my board. And

494
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: everyone said that was cheating because he all is and

495
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: then he can just grab his board wherever. And I

496
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: was like, that's the point, that's it. And he saw

497
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: something in that. He saw that that was progressive when

498
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: very few people did. And so I just was like,

499
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: he also saw your determination and your resilience, and you know, sure,

500
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: but it's the idea that he was even interested. But

501
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: there was a funny story about Marina Delray because Marina

502
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: was the hub of the Dogtown skater even then. That

503
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: was where you would catch those guys, where you'd catch

504
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Jay Adams and you would catch Tony Alva and Elgaret

505
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: and say spelta. And so we were there one time

506
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: and I was practicing for a contest, and all of

507
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, I was twelve. I guess then yeah, and

508
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all these hardcore punkers started coming

509
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: into the park and just sort of filling it in

510
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: where you suddenly couldn't skate these balls. And I remember

511
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Steve look at me, He's like, we gotta we gotta go,

512
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: we gotta get Yeah, I don't know what's going on,

513
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: but we should leave. And so we left and we've

514
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: we found out later they were having a Circle Jerks

515
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: content concert. And I mean, if you're if you're a

516
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: fan of punk rock, you'll know that all the guy

517
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: all the punkers standing in the bowl is the cover

518
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: to Circle Juice Group Sex is that night? No, and

519
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: you left well killed, Probably my fault. I was the

520
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: only surfer looking dude in the whole playoffor and also

521
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: from my perspective, like I like the music, but all

522
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: you want to do is skate. So I was more

523
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: annoyed that, like, why are these guys sitting in the bowl? Yeah? Hell,

524
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: so it's like, let's leave. I can't even skate anymore.

525
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Now, now did you see his determination?

526
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: Did you know early on, even before before he knew

527
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: that there was something special about the way he skatered?

528
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: His determination? Yeah, I remember really specifically one moment where

529
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: it was that Oasis when you were trying to learn

530
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: front side rock and rolls on a little quarter pipe.

531
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: Got my kids are literally doing that right now? Oh god?

532
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: And I had I'm pretty sure I was living down there, No,

533
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: so you would have been how old nine rocks it

534
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: would have been. I was home, I was home from

535
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: college and uh, our mom ha said go get Tony.

536
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: He's at Oasis. We're dinner and have dinner in like

537
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. So I sat there for forty five minutes,

538
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: going Tony, we got to go, and he was like,

539
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to make this. I'm going to make this,

540
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: and I was falling. And that's a pretty scary thing

541
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: to come into the first time, right you were all

542
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: blessed with a twelve inch wide board at the time

543
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: because we didn't know any better. Yeah, yeah yeah, and

544
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: crying like literally like half make it and then pulled one.

545
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: This like calmness swept over him and he was like, okay,

546
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: we can go. Now that still happens. Were you were

547
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: you cautious or were you just a charger? Like fucking

548
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: eat shit? And I wasn't afraid to get hurt, but

549
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't throwing caution in the wind. I was very

550
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: calculated in terms of what I thought was possible, and

551
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: when I was capable of I was I wasn't afraid

552
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: to just fling my body up and try it. But

553
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: I kind of knew the steps of what I was

554
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: trying to create, and I got hurt plenty of times

555
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: long the way I've had over twenty concussions. For sure.

556
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: You know that that famous sequence when he made the

557
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: nine hundred at the X Games. She just watched that,

558
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: but that came with hundreds of attempts prior to that, Right,

559
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: So that face he had when he was climbing up

560
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: the stairs every time on the ramp before it was

561
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: exactly the face he had when he was when he

562
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: was ten trying that front side rock like it was

563
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: the same guy. That must feel. So to be the

564
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: observer of that, I mean, when you have the kind

565
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: of drive is just exists, right, I suppose. I guess

566
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: I have a better perspective on having children and seeing

567
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: how they have all different versions of that, and so

568
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I can see it where it's funny you say, like

569
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: one of your kids is more daring, but the other

570
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: one is actually better and to my wife and I

571
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: we have we have six kids total, but uh, at

572
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: one point we had four teenage boys that were all

573
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: skating together, and it was funny because my youngest of

574
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: them would try anything. He doesn't care nuts. He's he's nuts,

575
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: like he's really nuts, but he would not yeah, but

576
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: he would not take the time to learn the foundational

577
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: skills that he needed to really do these things. So

578
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: he would drop in on the absolute biggest ramp than

579
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: anyone had at the time, but not what to do

580
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: on the other side, and just like slamming the next wall.

581
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: He would like down giant ramps when he was like two. Yeah.

582
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: And then the other kids are all learning and actually

583
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: are better, you know, in terms of of their how

584
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: well rounded they are, but they're not that daring. And

585
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: they would all say, oh, King is so good. I'm

586
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: like you, guys, King is not that good. He's not

587
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: He's just crazy, you know. You guys have a healthy balance,

588
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: and some of them had an unhealthy balance the other

589
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: direction right where it's like you have all everything it

590
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: takes to do this, you just won't did you have

591
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: to put did you push them at all? Sure? Yeah? Absolutely,

592
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: And the irony is that. My oldest son, who was

593
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: older than all of them, had the perfect mix of that.

594
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: So he was my first son, and so I just thought,

595
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: that's how he's got what I have. Yeah, Like he's determined,

596
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: but he knows his limits and he knows what he's

597
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: capable of, and he's I was like, so that's how

598
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: all kids are, I guess. And then all these other

599
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: kids came along. I was like, Oh, no, that's not

600
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: how they are. But you did push your other your kids,

601
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: your older kids are well, I just pushed them into

602
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: what I think they they want to do, right. And

603
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: every once in a while they'll ask me, please teach

604
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: me how to do a disaster, and so I will

605
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: go do that. Other times I just give him pointers

606
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: along the way, or I see them eyeing something up

607
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: and I tell them the best approach to it, and

608
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: it's usually it usually works, but sometimes it's just like,

609
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: you don't you're not really going to commit to that, right,

610
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: you know. I have to just tell him, like you're

611
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: obviously you can't just think the board's going to do it.

612
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: You have to participate in this thing. You have to

613
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: figure it out. Did they but what did they? Did

614
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: they ever? Ever, like, dad, fuck, just leave me alone.

615
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not that pussy. And but what I

616
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: mean is I err on the side of not being

617
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: involved because I don't want them to think I'm projecting

618
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: it onto them, So I'll back off right until they

619
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: really act. Well, it's just unless unless I see a

620
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: glaring mistake, right, if I see something glaring, please set

621
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: up your feet this way. Yeah, I'll watch him. He's

622
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: he's he's like the Jedi Master when it comes to

623
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: if someone's doing something, he'll just say just lean forward

624
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: just a little bit, you know, and a little more

625
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: wait on your front foot, and like the next time

626
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: the kid will get it. Well, it's almost probably because

627
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean it's Tony Hawk. I mean if they say

628
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: lean if if Oliver was like, just lean a little

629
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: bit forward on your foot, you know, they'd be like, dude,

630
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: what at the code? I don't know what the fuck

631
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm even doing on a skateboard anymore. And I'm like Wilder, like,

632
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: just fucking go man, like you'll do the thing or whatever,

633
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: and all skate parks looking me, and I can't help it.

634
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: I can't. I've got this problem where I'm just like,

635
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: I know you can do it. Just fucking do it.

636
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: Cause box the box with a call. That's actually it is.

637
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: It's a box with a cause. I mean, that's really so.

638
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: We discovered this really cool subscription box. It's quarterly, says

639
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: four times a year. It's curated by women for women,

640
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Speaker 1: it's in my freezer right now, and I know this

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Speaker 1: for details. So there's four of you all together, two boys,

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Speaker 1: two girls, and what is the closeness factor? Who is

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Speaker 1: the closest. We're all really close, But I would say

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Speaker 1: that Tony and I are closer than Pat and Lenora

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Speaker 1: closer because they're the age thing part of it, and

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Speaker 1: also because we're just interests interesting. Yeah, I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: still is heavily into surfing. I mean you were the

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Speaker 1: editor of a surfing magazine, in the Surfer Surfing magazine. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: So I mean that's pretty awesome. Yeah, how did that happening?

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Speaker 1: That's amazing? So, uh did you travel everywhere? You know?

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Speaker 1: I signed off on a lot of trips. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I when I I was actually editing, I was it

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Speaker 1: was a pretty busy job. So I looked at a

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Speaker 1: lot of great photos from all around the world. But

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Speaker 1: when I was there, I didn't travel. I have traveled

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Speaker 1: a lot to surf, but it actually not for the

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Speaker 1: magazine that much. I did a couple of choices, but

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Speaker 1: I got the job because I had been a newspaper

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Speaker 1: reporter and I was doing some freelance work for surf

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Speaker 1: magazines on the side and the the the job came up,

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Speaker 1: and actually a headhunter reached out. But I remember calling

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Speaker 1: up like some friends because every newspaper I worked at,

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Speaker 1: I was like the token surfer I would do. I

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Speaker 1: would write all the surf stories. Really, I called up

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Speaker 1: a friend and said, dude, I just got like the

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Speaker 1: dream job, and he said, what like editor a surfer

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Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, Now, how many kids do you have?

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Speaker 1: I have two? And then how many kids do the

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Speaker 1: sisters have? They both have two twelve kids all together.

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Speaker 1: Who was the oldest of the I it was funny

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Speaker 1: because we're the younger siblings and we had our kids first. Well,

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Speaker 1: oh that's right. I always thinking Leonor like they they

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Speaker 1: they're they skipped the generation. Yes, her her sons are

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Speaker 1: so much older that they have kids now, so I

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Speaker 1: forget that that's even the thing. Yes, Lenora had her

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Speaker 1: kids first. I apologize, But it was funny because when

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Speaker 1: when we did, excluding Leonor, when we had kids and

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Speaker 1: then Pat had kids after us, we're teaching her just

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Speaker 1: techniques of toddlers and doing things, and it was just like,

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Speaker 1: I'm so much younger than her leave me alone? Why

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Speaker 1: did you leave Surfer magazine? What happened? You just your

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Speaker 1: time ran out there and you're moving on? Yes, I

741
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: did eight years. And I actually I had an epiphany

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00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: one day at a at a meeting we were planning

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Speaker 1: our annual north Shore issue, because we would always go

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Speaker 1: with the north Shore of Oahu, and I had I

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Speaker 1: had like ahead of my house, and I had all

746
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Speaker 1: the our writers and photographers around the table, and I

747
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Speaker 1: just thought, you know, I don't care that much about

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Speaker 1: how good this issue is because I've done it like

749
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Speaker 1: this would be the eighth time. And I had to

750
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: suddenly had this vision of myself as like this kind

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Speaker 1: of bald guy with a baby ponytail, you know, in

752
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Speaker 1: my forties, trying to talk surf to the groms, and

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Speaker 1: and I just said, I gotta go. I gotta do

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Speaker 1: something else, I gotta I gotta go. Actually, sir, yeah,

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Speaker 1: now you made a pact with him to come down

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Speaker 1: once every two weeks or once a week. When I

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Speaker 1: was a kid, Yeah, he would drive me to the

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Speaker 1: skate park once a week. And was that something that you, Tony,

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Speaker 1: were like, you're going to come down from college or

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Speaker 1: you're going to come down from Ensnita tell me that

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Speaker 1: was yeah. And if he couldn't, then I demanded that

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Speaker 1: my mom did. Yeah, and she was working, so it

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Speaker 1: was not easy. And what did your mom do? She

764
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: was a secretary at a high school, and then she

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Speaker 1: became a night school teacher. Sure at a college. She

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Speaker 1: got her PhD in her sixty and then eventually got

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Speaker 1: her PhD. But she was always working, and so it

768
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: was just sort of like for lack of it or

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Speaker 1: where I was a last key kid in that sense.

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Speaker 1: But at some point I demanded that I get rides

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Speaker 1: to the skate park, and then those increased in frequency

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Speaker 1: to the point where that was my dad did. He

773
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: was he was the chauffeur. He was my uber state

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Speaker 1: park uber. Yeah, you said if it wasn't for your parents,

775
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: that you would never work. Absolutely none of my friends

776
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: parents wanted them skating. They thought it was a negative influence.

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Speaker 1: They thought it was for outcast losers, and so they

778
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Speaker 1: would rely on my dad for rides to the skate

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Speaker 1: park or events like, oh god, I just want to

780
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Speaker 1: be alone at the skate park with my No I

781
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: wanted with my friends. It was just at some point

782
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Speaker 1: my dad's involvement became seemed to be too intrusive, right,

783
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: because he was at every event, and at some point

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Speaker 1: he was running the events and they're like, oh, that's weird.

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Speaker 1: You want you know, so that got weird for a

786
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Speaker 1: little bit. Now, doesn't your sister work with you now?

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Speaker 1: She has for the last twenty years. She is literally

788
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Speaker 1: retiring tomorrow, yeah, tomorrow, last week yeah, who yeah, And

789
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Speaker 1: so she's handing over to other people that we work

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Speaker 1: with that. I trust him. She's amazing. But she did she,

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Speaker 1: I mean she really. What happened was she got pregnant

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Speaker 1: with twins. She was singing at the time for Michael Bolton.

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Speaker 1: She was the backup singer for Michael Bolton. She did

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Speaker 1: the dirty dancing to her and then she got pregnant

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Speaker 1: and she decided, I have to stay home. I can't

796
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Speaker 1: tour like that anymore. And she saw my career starting

797
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: to take off in a totally different way than it

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00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: was connected with skateboarding, and she said, I want to

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Speaker 1: help you because I know the entertainment industry and what

800
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: you're doing now is reminiscent of entertainment events as opposed

801
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: to just skate events. And so she was. She became

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Speaker 1: my business partner. She had a better idea of I

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Speaker 1: hate to use the word, of my worth, of what

804
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: I could be out there getting and what kind of

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00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: opportunity was opening up. It was like a brand building. Yeah,

806
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: and and so we started, we started the She was

807
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: there right when I got the video game deal. She

808
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: was a partner in starting the boom Cham Tour. Hot

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00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: Clothing was actually started in her garage, right, amazing. Yeah,

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00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: So video game deal that was? What was how when

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Speaker 1: was that that was? That was a long That was

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00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: a while ago. That that was nineteen ninety I signed

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Speaker 1: the contract in ninety eight the video game Yeah, for Activisions,

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Speaker 1: so you as I recall, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: She connected you with William Morris right before that deal

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Speaker 1: came down. Yes, and and Activision wanted to pay him

817
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Speaker 1: a single fee buy out. The contract was was was

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Speaker 1: a good deal. I can't remember what the what the

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Speaker 1: guarantee was it was. It was probably a lot more

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Speaker 1: than I ever seen before. And then as we got

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Speaker 1: closer to the release, they could feel the momentum building

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00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: and felt like they had a hit coming out. And

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Speaker 1: then they called me and they said, we want to

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Speaker 1: offer you a buyout. And that was the William Morris

825
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: called me and they said, hey, Activision just off for

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Speaker 1: you half a million dollars for future royalties forever. And

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Speaker 1: I never heard anyone say half a million dollars before.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like someone saying a gazillion dollars. And I

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Speaker 1: had just bought a new house. I had a pretty

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Speaker 1: steady income of endorsements and competition earnings and licensing, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, I just I'll let it ride. Why not,

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Speaker 1: like I'm okay with that on I didn't, And also

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Speaker 1: I wasn't looking for some great payout anyway. It was

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Speaker 1: just kind of like, no, this is let's just go

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Speaker 1: for it. And I was the biggest It was the

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Speaker 1: best financial decision of my life. Oh my god, by

837
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot. But what was the what was the moment

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Speaker 1: because I don't know, we haven't talked about it yet,

839
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Speaker 1: the moment that you became what you were, what you

840
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Speaker 1: have now sort of what you've been, what you've realized.

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Speaker 1: When did Tony Hawk become that? Was it? Holy shit?

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Speaker 1: You you're the number one dude, you know what I mean?

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00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: You become a brand so to speak. Well, I had,

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Speaker 1: I guess I had a name recognition carried over from

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Speaker 1: the eighties with my sight career the mainstream when it

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Speaker 1: went into the nineties, when when they started the X Games,

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Speaker 1: it was sort of like I was the name that

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00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: people already knew, so they were sort of focusing on that.

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Speaker 1: But I was still improving, so I did well in

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Speaker 1: all the contests, and so in that respect, that's kind

851
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: of what put me on The X Game put me

852
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: on the yeah more amazing stream televised and people could

853
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: actually see what you're saying. Yeah, from say ninety six

854
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: to ninety nine ish. Yeah. And then nineteen ninety nine

855
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: was the year that I made the first nine hundred

856
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: of the X Games, and our game was released just

857
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: a couple months later, which was total coincidence, and it

858
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: was like the perfect storm. And not long after that

859
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: is when I noticed the shift of recognition that was

860
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: way beyond anything I ever imagined, where people were stopping

861
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: me on the street and the airport's bro Tony Hark

862
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: pro skater nine hundred, it was you got crazy? How

863
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: was that for you? Did you indifferent? Did you like? I? Wait? It?

864
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: It was fun? It just felt it felt strange to

865
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: me because I had already lived through this wave of

866
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: success that I thought was massive in the eighties, and

867
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it was on this different

868
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: scale where I was doing Letterman Yeah, and Jimmy Kimmel

869
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: and I was in you know what I mean. I

870
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: was in People magazine How old were you when I

871
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: was thirty one? And so it then it felt like

872
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: aren't old? You know what I mean? Like at that

873
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: point in skateboarding, if you were past your mid twenties,

874
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: it was over for you because because there was no

875
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: living to be made. People see me now and they

876
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: get confused because they're like, oh, I did He's so old,

877
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was old when you found

878
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: out about me? And see where were you and where

879
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: were you at? And during this, during this time when

880
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: Tony was started to blow up, were you a surfer?

881
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: Then I'll see when when you really blew up? And

882
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: though I was, that was when swell dot com started. Yeah,

883
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: I was doing a website. That's why I left Surfer

884
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: to go start to which is now surflying dot com.

885
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: But I will say this from from our sisters and

886
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: my perspective, when there were several times over the course

887
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: of Tony's career when Leonora and Pat and I would

888
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: look at each other like can you believe this? Like

889
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: it's it's he'll never be bigger than he is right now.

890
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: I remember in the eighties there was a Vision contest

891
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: in Irvine. In the finals it was you and Christian

892
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: Hussoi and uh there were six thousand kids in this arena,

893
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: and at one point in the finals, you know, two

894
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: thirds of them were standing up going hawk hawk hawk hawk.

895
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: And I went backstage at first, and I said, you

896
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: were nineteen. I remember, I said, you might as well

897
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: just kill yourself right now, because that's it. It's going

898
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: to get. It's as good as it's going to get,

899
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then like two years later, he's like, no, wait,

900
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: now this new thing is happening. Makes that looks like nothing,

901
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, the X Game of the nine hundred and yeah,

902
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: now he's skating in the Obama White House, you know, like, yeah, right.

903
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: Was there ever any envy for you as an older brother? Thankfully,

904
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: I think because it's twelve years yeah, uh no, none,

905
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: nothing but kind of pride all the time. I could

906
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: watch him skate all day. Do you think if you

907
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: were younger it might have felt a little bit different?

908
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, yeah, maybe sort of. You wouldn't really know.

909
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of like our parents didn't instill that in

910
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: any of us, you know, Like I love I've spent

911
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: countless hours watching my sister Pat sing, and I don't

912
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 1: think Steve really created the spotlight, but Pat certainly did

913
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: and still does. Did you guys get a voice or no?

914
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: I did the mass singer? Yeah, you did that. I

915
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: remember first one out the singer. I don't know if

916
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: you knew that I was there. When you mentioned it

917
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: to Kathy, his wife, who's she is not she was

918
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: not down. She was like, it's just she's she grew

919
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: up Detroit punk skater. It was like, are you doing

920
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: some mainstream things? I don't want it. It's a challenge.

921
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. And also I sang a cure song,

922
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: so I feel like I brought a little bit of

923
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: alternative flavoring Friday I'm in love. Oh my god. I

924
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I brought my own flavor

925
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: to it. And I'm like, all right, I did it.

926
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: You know. I was super nervous, but I just kept practicing,

927
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: and they had a really great vocal coach helping me

928
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: and my sister was helping me. I heard the playback

929
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: on mine. I was like, you know what, not bad,

930
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, it was just that it was

931
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: more or that they wanted me to sing something a

932
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: little more high energy, mainstream, and probably because they knew

933
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: that I wasn't gonna keep going fight but does you're

934
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: a competitive spirit that kid in the bowl, so that

935
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: won't like stop when you're the first one out. Are

936
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: you like that's fucking bullshit? Or I didn't. I didn't

937
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: hear the other everyone else. I heard a snippet of

938
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: a couple people, and I could tell that almost all

939
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: of them were really good singers and there was one

940
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: other person that wasn't a great singer. But they sang

941
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: fifty cent and I was like yeah, and because they

942
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: sang you know what I mean, like song choice, that

943
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: was it. Yeah. It was like they were kind of

944
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: playing to the and I respect that, and so at

945
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: some point I was like, well, maybe I should do

946
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: this other song that they suggested for me. That's more

947
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, more cheap thrills and I and then that

948
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: was when I made the determination like fuck it, I'm

949
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: gonna stay true to who I am and if I'm

950
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 1: out I'm out. Yeah, so that's not a competitive thing, right,

951
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: fucked up you find? Yeah, probably right. If you were

952
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: on American Idol, they would have been like, song choice, Tony,

953
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: song choice. Yeah. Maybe they didn't yes who I was,

954
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool. That's good. That's good.

955
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: They thought I was either a Roll or Travis Barker,

956
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's cool. I was camping

957
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: this last weekend actually, which was great, but I will

958
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: say it was it was nice to get home because

959
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: I went from a pad on the ground to my

960
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,160
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961
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: the Lux Midnight Helix Sleep. They have a quiz that

962
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: takes two minutes you complete it. It matches your body

963
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. Yeah. No,

964
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: if you like your mattresses like really soft or firm,

965
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: you sleep on your side or on your back or

966
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Speaker 1: your or you sleep really hot. With Helix, there's a

967
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,640
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968
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Speaker 1: of people are having a hard time sleeping, and a

969
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970
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: and right now, I think more than ever we should

971
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: be creating a really nice environment if you can. Yeah,

972
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: and your bed is your sanctuary like at night. You know,

973
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: I can speak from experience, you know, and you can

974
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you've kids and it's crazy and

975
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,360
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976
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: you're doing that, and when you can actually sort of

977
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:37,200
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978
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979
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980
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981
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995
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Speaker 1: two hundred dollars off. What is your main business at

996
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: this point? What do you spend your days doing? Are

997
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: there moments where you're like, I just want to get

998
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: back in the bowl. I don't want to be looking

999
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: at these numbers or approving this visual. I don't want

1000
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah. Last week was like that. Yeah, well, one,

1001
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: as we were preparing for my mom's service, but also

1002
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: just the things sort of ramped up and that I

1003
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: got sort of random requests for that I couldn't turn down.

1004
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: Were invading on my time just to go skate, and

1005
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: and that's really hard for me. And that's kind of

1006
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: where I'm grounded and I have to walk the walk.

1007
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this stuff. So for sure, you're right,

1008
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there are moments in my

1009
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: day where I, you know, I go like I, for instance,

1010
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago in this timeline, I took

1011
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: my daughter to school. You know, we had a normal day.

1012
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: I took me out of school. Then I drove to

1013
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: LA and dressed up in an elephant costume and sang

1014
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: on National TV, and then got back home in time

1015
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: for a regular dinner, to put the kids to bed,

1016
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: and wake up the next day to do. And I'm

1017
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: just like, no one else has this life, no one

1018
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: else or no. Actually, the day before that, I was

1019
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: shooting the video the cover to our video game. Yeah,

1020
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: that's what. That's what those three days how it happened.

1021
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: And there was a moment where I was like, this

1022
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: is this is a crazy life. This is like, there's

1023
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: no way I would ever imagine doing any of this

1024
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: stuff or accepting any of it, but I love it.

1025
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: What do you do to be able to get into

1026
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: that mind space where you used to just be able

1027
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: to get on the board and go and not resent

1028
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: that you can't do that anymore? Do you know what

1029
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think I just what the opportunity that's

1030
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: presented to me, I make it my own, Okay, And

1031
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: that's the best explanation. For instance, if I have some

1032
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: opportunities to do a promotion that involves social media or whatnot,

1033
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: I demand that it's my creative, it's in my own voice,

1034
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: and if you take it or leave it, because it

1035
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: has to be authentic. And then if they're agreeable to

1036
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: that this is just one example, then I find that

1037
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: a fun challenge. How do I formulate this to make

1038
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: it represent what I do but also be authentic and

1039
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: get whatever messaging they wanted to but that it's that

1040
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: I believe in it. And that is a delicate balunce,

1041
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: especially in skating, like everyone wants to call you a

1042
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: sell out immediately. I mean that is the you know,

1043
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: skating is the most hardcore activity, culture, lifestyle, whatever, and

1044
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: the people are quick to judge even now, can you

1045
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: be a sellout? Nowadays? In skating or searching? Can you?

1046
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: There's less of that narrative, but every once in a while,

1047
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, someone will do it. It's just for me.

1048
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: For me, I've saw I saw the rise. I saw

1049
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: the rise of skating. I saw the rise of the

1050
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: endorsements and the how far they resonate. And then I

1051
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: saw people making choices or agreeing to do stuff that

1052
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: just was not didn't have integrity and didn't represent skateboarding

1053
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: very well. And I think those were my warning signs,

1054
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: and I made plenty of those mistakes, especially in the eighties,

1055
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: but luckily there's no YouTube. What were some of your

1056
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: regrets in that in that field? Do you remember any

1057
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: specific things? We're like you look back on You're like, oh, fuck,

1058
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: oh so many. I can't even when I did a

1059
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: promotion with fruit Loops where I was talking about too

1060
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: can Sam like he was this new extreme athlete for real,

1061
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it wasn't like commercial, It was like, yeah, Now,

1062
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: what is it that when you look at the life

1063
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: that you have lived to date, what is it that

1064
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: you now look forward to as the next step of

1065
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: your life? Together as siblings, all of you guys go,

1066
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, everything is kind of a nice surprise. It's

1067
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: hard to say we're we're reaching, we're going towards some goal.

1068
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: I can't. I have no idea the future holds, but

1069
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: I know that though I know that I'm gonna have fun,

1070
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: I've reached a point where I have the freedom to

1071
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: choose and to say no if necessary. When I was

1072
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: growing up, especially at that age like twenty, I couldn

1073
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: to say no. The hustle. I was just yeah, it

1074
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 1: was the hustle, and just going, and at some point

1075
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: you start to lose yourself and you start to lose

1076
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: your integrity because you just don't even know what really

1077
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: is of quality anymore. And for sure I went through

1078
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: those years and and Steve was the first to point

1079
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: it out where it's like, do you really want to

1080
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: go promoting for you a grounding element? I never felt

1081
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: like over it was more with the foundation, and it

1082
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: was just more like, what what is the social responsibility here?

1083
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: What is the a little bit you know, like what

1084
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: is the foundation? What are the what are the what

1085
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: are the goals of the foundation? The mission statement is

1086
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: pretty simple. It's to to promote and help finance public

1087
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: skate parks and low income areas within the United States,

1088
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: so it's domestic. And the date we've helped to fund

1089
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: over nine hundred parks and giving away close to seven million. Wow.

1090
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: With the rals. Wilsn't more. It might be up to

1091
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: eight or nine now this wow, but we don't. We

1092
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: very rarely fund entire parks. It's mostly people will come in.

1093
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: Our maximum gift for a long time with twenty five thousand,

1094
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: and a good skate park costs at least four or

1095
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand, but having a check from Tony Hawk

1096
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 1: Foundation would go a long ways to getting more money

1097
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: and keeping the things going. But we're right in the

1098
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: version of we just did a big strategic plan to

1099
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: try to really expand it because we've got an incredible

1100
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: crew there running the show, and they're really good at

1101
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: navigating municipalities that want to get a skate park built,

1102
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: or someone or a parent who wants to get a

1103
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: skate park built. We know how to help them do it.

1104
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: So we got this machinery in place, and we really

1105
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: feel like if we could get more money into that machine,

1106
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: we could do ten x the We could spend ten

1107
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: x what we're spending now without really staffing up that much.

1108
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: Because we've got we could we could just two whole parks.

1109
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: And what happened was this foundation. The thing that really

1110
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: was a light bulb moment for us was the the

1111
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: Robert C. Wilson Foundation. Yeah, rals foundation came to us

1112
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: and said, we want to give away a whole bunch

1113
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: of money in the Northeaster and the Buffalo, New York, Detroit,

1114
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: Detroit area, and we want you to tell us where

1115
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: to put it. So we hired one staff guy. He's

1116
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: going out there and we're actually just funneling their money.

1117
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: But it's our machinery because there's nobody in the world

1118
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: who knows more about how to get a public skate

1119
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: park built than the than the three guys who work

1120
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: on the program side of the Tony occundation. For sure

1121
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: they done. They know how to raise money, they know

1122
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: how to talk to city councils. So we're actually, I

1123
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: think we're going to rebrand. We might rename the foundation,

1124
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: take Tony's name off it because people think he's funding

1125
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: it and he's really hard to raise funds and they're like,

1126
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: well Tony's rich, yeeah, yeah, well he's paid for it.

1127
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: Do you find that that's that's happening? Like you're actually

1128
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: losing out because I think that they're is a stigma,

1129
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: especially with donations what we call micro donations, where we're

1130
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: trying to inspire people to just give a little bit. Right,

1131
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: have you guys like this ground new ground swell of skaters.

1132
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's pretty big, right, I mean this

1133
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: it feels because my kids, it feels like it's happening now.

1134
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: It's like every fucking wait till the Olympics happened. Well,

1135
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: that's the thing is, That's what I was. I was

1136
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: so amazed with all your kids and they all they

1137
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: all skate at least a little bit. Yea. That to

1138
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: see that that they choose that as readily as they

1139
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: choose baseball is still amazing to me. Like I'm still

1140
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: blown away by that, even though it's it's been coming

1141
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: for a long time. When I was a kid, you

1142
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: skated and that was that was your identity, and you

1143
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: were we call bullied. Now you were picked on endlessly

1144
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: for being a skater and there were only a couple

1145
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: of you in the school and you had to to

1146
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: hide out. Now something I mean now it's yeah, I

1147
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: want to say something as a proud as a proud

1148
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: big brother. I have a lot of proud big brother moments.

1149
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: But you know, skateboarding is where it is now largely

1150
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: because of Tony, you know. I mean, he's he was

1151
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,479
Speaker 1: the face of it for for a long time, and

1152
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: I think the sport got really lucky that it was

1153
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: him because he's a really good ambassador. He's articulate, he's

1154
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: a good dad, s's a good example. He's in it

1155
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: for all the right reasons, and he doesn't make any

1156
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: real mistakes in the public eye, you know, like there

1157
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: are a lot of fuck ups out there. Oh yeah,

1158
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: so he's not in it for the chick. He still

1159
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: has time. He's in it for the chick. I tried

1160
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: to be as a teenager and I just did no.

1161
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: But it's so amazing because I think too, like you

1162
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: see that from a sibling perspective, which is, if anyone

1163
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: knows Tony Hawk, it's going to be Yeah. And you know,

1164
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: I see him give speeches now in front of thousands

1165
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: of people and he doesn't need notes. It's just really

1166
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: good at it. And yeah, like it all the time.

1167
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: I swell with pride, Honey. Do you believe in greer?

1168
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: I wish Kate did that for me. Do you believe

1169
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: in divine? You know, divinity like that that things are

1170
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: meant to be what they're meant to be? Not not

1171
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: entirely I think. I I believe in that. I got

1172
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: lucky in a lot of ways, but I worked my

1173
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: ass off through the difficult times. I never gave up,

1174
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: And that is what I attributed my success to, is

1175
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: that just there was this perseverance that I couldn't I

1176
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: couldn't quit it even when there was no money to

1177
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: be made. Even when I had to provide for a family,

1178
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: I had to get out there and skate, and and yes,

1179
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: the idea that skating came back around and that we

1180
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: got insanely successful and lucky with having video game series,

1181
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: all those things. But I did work for those things

1182
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: and I saw them as windows of opportunity that if

1183
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: I could grab them and make them of the quality

1184
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: I imagine they would be successful. So and I'm not

1185
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: trying to take all the credit. I'm just saying, like

1186
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: I just I just kept at it. I just kept working,

1187
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: and there's something to be said for that, especially with

1188
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: new generations. It's just like, just do what you love

1189
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: doing and that will be the definition of success. That's right.

1190
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: If you're able to do that for a living, you're

1191
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna love what you do. Even if it's not like

1192
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: you're making. Even it's not the most financially successful thing

1193
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: you could do, you're gonna be way happier in it. Yeah. No,

1194
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: my dad, I'm love to fish, big fishermen. And my

1195
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: dad Kurt, when I was trying to figure out life

1196
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: and he goes go to fucking Costa Ricaan fish. That's

1197
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: what you love to do. And I'm like, I can't

1198
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: do that, that's absurd. But I should have gone to

1199
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: Costa Rica. Yeah, that's not that hard to say, I know,

1200
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: but I still have hope. Do you still skate every day?

1201
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: I try? Yeah? Like I said, do you still do?

1202
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: Do you still do stuff? Do you still push it

1203
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: where you're like, fuck, I shouldn't try this? Some fifty

1204
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: I pushed myself. I push myself in sort of a

1205
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: in a different I don't want to say muted, but

1206
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: more technical way where I do tricks that are way

1207
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: more difficult and require a different skill set than what

1208
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: people are used to seeing. That's these huge air type

1209
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: of maneuvers that are high impact. So what I'm doing

1210
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: now is sort of shifted my style into more low

1211
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: impact technical moves that are probably more better appreciated by

1212
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: the skate community as being progressive. But they they give

1213
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: me that what I need. Yeah, did you see the

1214
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: video he dropped Tony Hawk to his fifty tricks at

1215
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: age fifty, No, so fifty tricks that he had learned

1216
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: over the years, but all wearing the same outfits. You know,

1217
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: he was doing them now and they were all tricks

1218
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: at tea intended that's really amazing. But that was cathartic

1219
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: because there are a few of those tricks that I

1220
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: did in that that I realized, I don't want to

1221
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: do this one ever again. Oh really? Yeah? Yeah, So

1222
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: that that was the last one for that one that

1223
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: was a couple, like I'd say, at least four of them.

1224
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: Have you taken any like diggers in your later? I

1225
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: split my eyebrow open just in November. You did doing

1226
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: what skating a pool and you just baled And no,

1227
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: it was a little bit stickier than I anticipated. And

1228
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: I came in on a trick and my wheels and

1229
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: I kind of I slide my wheels on my on

1230
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: that on the way in on a trick, and my

1231
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: wheels didn't slide, but I didn't take that into consideration,

1232
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: and so my foot actually from foot came off. But

1233
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: I was already committed to coming in and I had

1234
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: a helmet on. But I hit the bottom and I

1235
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: hit so hard my helmet fell slid up, and then

1236
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's just blood dripping down my eye.

1237
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: And I got it. I was like, and it was

1238
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty basically it's just a front si lipside. I

1239
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: was like, a fucking lip slide, like my head is

1240
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: bleeding and I come out. But the interesting thing about

1241
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: that is that I was at a public skate park

1242
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: and a bunch of kids had realized I was there

1243
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: and started texting their friends and whatnot, and so all

1244
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: these people were starting to arrive and I come out

1245
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: of the bowl dripping blood. And the interesting aspect about

1246
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: all that is that nobody cared. They were like, can

1247
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: I get a photo? Can I get it? This didn't

1248
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: matter at all. Oh all over your face? Yeah, And

1249
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: so I had a sweatshirt in my bag and I

1250
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: put the sweatshirt up to it to stop the bleeding

1251
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: and just took a bunch of selfies trying to get

1252
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: out of there. So it was just like and there's

1253
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: plenty of photos of me just bleeding down my eye

1254
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: and it was just such a I was so fascinating. Finally,

1255
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: like someone's mom was like, are you okay? And the

1256
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: kids just thought that was a damn life amazing. If

1257
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: you think with the new generation of skaters now, like

1258
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: we're are they pushing stuff to I'm always pushing the limits.

1259
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: That are just they're doing stuff that we were doing

1260
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: in our video game twenty years ago that we thought, like,

1261
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Can you imagine no one will ever

1262
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: do this? And now that's what they're doing, just crazy,

1263
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: crazy technical combo. Yeah, you know, super text flip tricks,

1264
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: landing into grinds, flipping out. Yeah. In order to even

1265
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: land those tricks and complete those tricks, don't you have

1266
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: to just eat shit a lot because you know what

1267
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean? Yes, and no, I mean and some of

1268
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: them yes, because they're big handrails and big gaps, are

1269
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: big aerial type of stuff. Some is just footwork right

1270
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: and super technical, and it takes a thousand attempts to

1271
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: get one. Yeah, but if you get it on video,

1272
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: you got the glory. Yeah, Yeah, it's true. It's all

1273
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: about getting it on that. That's the one thing that's

1274
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: always seemed a little strange to me that people can

1275
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: land one trick once after a thousand tries and then

1276
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: never never do it again. And then it's like a

1277
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: thing like I made that when I was talking about

1278
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: how I've sort of shifted my style most of those

1279
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,480
Speaker 1: tricks that I've done in the last i'd say four years,

1280
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm not one done. Yeah, that was it, really, No,

1281
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: it was just too much work to get too much work. Yeah,

1282
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: and it's just like I can't. I can't put myself

1283
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,759
Speaker 1: through it again. Wow, is there an anything that's happening

1284
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: in today's skate culture that you don't like? We're like,

1285
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I wish it wasn't happening, you

1286
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean, even the attitudes or I don't know.

1287
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so diverse. I can't There's no way

1288
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: I would just sound like a curmudgeon if I was like,

1289
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: this is a you know, don't do this. It's just

1290
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: I feel like skating has taken has become this lifestyle

1291
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: and this this culture that's so diverse and so inclusive

1292
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: that I love how far it's come. Dude, I can

1293
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: totally understand that because I've been with my boys now

1294
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: and at these skate bar parks and stuff, and it

1295
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: is so unbelievably inclusive. Everyone is so nice and everyone

1296
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: is ready to help everything for you. It's dope. Let's

1297
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: talk about the game. We're twenty one years out from

1298
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: the first game release, which was only on the early

1299
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: systems PS one eventually Nintendo sixty four, and so now

1300
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: we have a chance to do all the same mechanics,

1301
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: same skaters, same tricks, same same level, same maps for

1302
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: the newer systems, so PS four, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch,

1303
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: fun and it's so it's so fun to see all

1304
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: of that come to this super detailed and amazing motion

1305
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: and graphics, you know, because uh, people have been asking

1306
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: for it for a very long time. Oh, this is

1307
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: such a this is a big, huge, Yeah. So we

1308
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: did Tonyak pro Skater one and two as one game

1309
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: remaster with all the original lineup all and and then

1310
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: we're getting new skaters as well. About the soundtrack, the

1311
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: same soundtrack, soundtrack, are you singing on the soundtrack? No soundtrack?

1312
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: But but also newer stuff. So we're you know, soundtrack

1313
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: and meeting like old the old, the old music. Yeah,

1314
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,480
Speaker 1: the stuff you knew, Goldfinger and Melanchol and Dick Kennedy's

1315
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: against the Machine. Yeah, it's it's super Oh, this is

1316
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: going to be so for people like myself, there's a nostalgia,

1317
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. The idea is that there there is

1318
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: this reverence for the game and the series, and people

1319
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: want it in the newer systems obviously, but also there's

1320
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: just a whole new generation that doesn't know that game

1321
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: at all, and the only skate game they ever played

1322
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: was the EA version, and so they're going to get

1323
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: to experience what this is like. Yeah, my kids have

1324
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: games just on their on their mobile devices where it's

1325
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: just like a skateboard scape. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and they

1326
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: do little kickflips and yeah. So I'm really excited to

1327
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: bring t HPS to this new generation and we have

1328
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: vicrous Visions. Is just the exact right group to do it.

1329
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 1: Let's do our speed round. Okay, one word to describe

1330
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:54,879
Speaker 1: the other thoughtful kind? Oh, I love it. Which sibling

1331
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: do you fight with the most? Pat? Pat? I want

1332
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: to eh? Is that why? Why? I mean, she's just okay,

1333
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: just a forest story about Pat when uh she was

1334
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: at one point he was doing and she was in

1335
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: conversation to get him sponsored by a surfboard company that

1336
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: will remain unnamed, and I knew that the guy who

1337
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: has had a marketing there who was went off. He

1338
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: was early adopter of ink like had full sleeves back

1339
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: in the nineties and was kind of known as being

1340
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: a pretty tough guy in the surf world. He had

1341
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: one conversation with Pat over the negotiations and I ran

1342
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: into him a couple of weeks later and he goes, yeah,

1343
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: so I met your sister Pat, Yeah, dude, she's gnarly.

1344
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean she would take a bullet for him.

1345
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: So I mean you weren't running, Yeah, yeah, but she

1346
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: she does. And I am the one when we were

1347
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: in business together, I had the one to keep her

1348
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: in check too. So she doesn't hold but she but

1349
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: she speaks her mind and you'd love her to pull back.

1350
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: I have a feeling, Okay, who's more adventurous? Wow? I

1351
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: think when it comes to wilderness me. Really, he's served Alaska,

1352
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: he's served the Antarctic. Yeah, but he's crazier. He's jumped

1353
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: between two four story buildings on the skateboard. You know,

1354
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: he's did it, did a full loop, just anxiety, sixteen

1355
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: feet really yeah, in downtown. The more the thing that

1356
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: surprised more, and not that I did it, but that

1357
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: I got we got permission to do it. Who's more

1358
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: spontaneous Tony? Yeah? Competitive? I could? Yeah. I feel like that.

1359
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 1: That was my whole that was that was my brand

1360
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: growing up. So if I'm if I'm playing a game,

1361
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: I want to win. My wife won't play scrabble with

1362
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 1: me because I get what she calls scrabble jawah. Okay,

1363
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: which sibling would you call the bail you out of jail? Pat?

1364
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: Because she could probably talk her way out of bail.

1365
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: Getting well depends. Okay, how big is the bail? Oh?

1366
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: There you go? Now, now I see what's happening. Who's

1367
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: better at making decisions? Uh? I don't know, Tony. Who's

1368
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: better Tony? I can be pretty wishy washy. I'm better

1369
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 1: at making decisions quickly. Okay, who's better taste of music?

1370
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: I got my original taste music from Steve, so I'm

1371
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 1: gonna go with him. That brought me to my first concert,

1372
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: which was the Cars and at Sports Arena. At the

1373
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: Sports Arena, Shoulder, who's more laid back? I'm I'm gonna say, Steve.

1374
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 1: I think it's a tie. We're both pretty chill. Chill

1375
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: ye chill. Yeah, it's funny. I don't really like stress.

1376
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,919
Speaker 1: We got the chill Jean and our two other sisters.

1377
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: Our two sisters got the buzz like Bee jeans. Was

1378
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: Mama buzzy buzzy Bee? And was Dad laid back or

1379
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: vice versa. He got shot done, but he was kind

1380
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: of a grump. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's just people. He's

1381
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: rubbed like, he's just gruff. Yeah yeah, yeah, h I

1382
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: said last night. So when he went at his funeral,

1383
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: I said that the everything my father taught me, he

1384
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: can be summed up in three words. Pull my finger? Sound?

1385
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: Is that about right? Who's more rebellious? Tony? Sure, I said, Tony,

1386
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: But maybe you're you and your youth in the seventies. Yeah, yeah,

1387
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: he was pretty wild. He's smoking weed and yeah, I

1388
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: would come visit him in Santa Barbara when he was

1389
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: in college. I was like eleven or twelve, and they're

1390
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: just in the smoking weed. This is like nineteen seventy eight.

1391
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: You know. I'm sure we like put you under a

1392
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: cardboard box once and we're blowing smoke. But what about

1393
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: when you were twelve? What about when you were in

1394
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: the when you were young? I mean growing up that

1395
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: skate culture was a drinking draw with drugging? Was it?

1396
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: Was it that stuff to stay away from? It? Were

1397
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 1: you tempted, like for me to stay away from? Because

1398
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: all I really cared about was proving myself through my skating.

1399
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 1: And I saw plenty of my peers doing that stuff

1400
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: and losing their ability to skate, either quickly or slowly.

1401
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: But I just I could tell it affected them and

1402
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not not doing that. Yeah, I

1403
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: won't be able to skate tomorrow. I won't you know,

1404
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: I won't be able to skate next year. Really lucky

1405
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: he fell in with the Bones Brigade and that whole

1406
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: crew because Stacey was It wasn't like he was strict,

1407
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: but he picked good kids and there's not a lot

1408
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: of yeah. But but you know, we were grown up

1409
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: with Christian Soy and Mickey alba Z boys and it

1410
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: was like everyone's there, they're smoking before they do a run,

1411
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: and it was like, I can't. I don't want to.

1412
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: I can't. Tony clean, so clean, and you are like

1413
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: the best post your child for the sport. Oh he's

1414
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 1: got some skeletons. Come on. I didn't always make the

1415
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: best decisions, but but I would be able to skate

1416
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: through all of it. So what album or song would

1417
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: be the soundtrack to your brother's life? It would have

1418
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: to be a Steely Dan song. Yeah, I don't know

1419
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: which one was there, like holding back the Ear or

1420
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: something that the lyrics are all ironic and well, it

1421
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: could just be an album. It could be Steely Dan.

1422
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: I like Steely Dan so great. Oh you know what,

1423
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: I take it back though, it would be Tom Waits yeah, uh,

1424
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: Tom White's growing up. The only reason I even know

1425
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: Tom Waite is because Steve, what is there a song

1426
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: in particular that, Oh how would you? What's that? Kentucky Avenue?

1427
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: And so uh, it would be devot and it would

1428
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: be the one that you just played with Mark. Oh,

1429
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: freedom of Choice, freedom of Choice? Yeah, freedom of Choice.

1430
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: Freedom of Choice was the first recorded music I ever

1431
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: heard at the skate part because they used just played

1432
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: FM radio and then they played the Freedom of Choice album.

1433
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: It was nineteen eighty and I was and I remember

1434
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: going to the pro shop like what are you playing?

1435
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: What is this? I want this album? And I used

1436
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: my paper out money to buy it and it became

1437
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: that's then, that's the soundtrack to your life. Do you

1438
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: still have your skateboard? It's at the Smithsonian. It was

1439
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: he gave it to me. Oh really, you gave him

1440
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: his first board and he kept it. That's the crazy thing.

1441
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: It was a bane. So we both went to DC

1442
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: and handed it to the Smithsonian. Wow is it the Smithsonian? Yeah?

1443
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: How fucking cool. That was a cool I mean, how

1444
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: did you even think to keep it? You know what

1445
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean? That's he skated it there. It was all

1446
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: and it was some old ball bearing things where you

1447
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: took the nut out, the ball bearings would fall out, right,

1448
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't it. Yeah. It had wooden riser paths. It

1449
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: was like four inches wide bane boarding and we were

1450
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: just want handed to him. And then I was like,

1451
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: well most ride because they had they had a little

1452
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: ramp there for the ceremony. Yeah, and there was a

1453
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: shitting chatter. Yeah. I mean, what do you do or

1454
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: are all of your decks? I mean I usually just

1455
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: give him away. I I give mine for charity is

1456
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,480
Speaker 1: or to you know, at the event, I'll give to someone.

1457
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: So I don't I have very few that I've kept.

1458
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: You don't even have old school decks of yours that

1459
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: like are special in some sort of a way, or

1460
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: that you made or only in that I'm trying to

1461
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: have collected one of each, and usually it's just a

1462
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: new one. It's not when I rode, So I don't really, dude,

1463
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: they're going for I mean I looked on eBay. Dude,

1464
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: they're fucking expensive for like two grand oh yeah, originals.

1465
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: Whole thing is like he has his old skateboard and

1466
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: he's like, I gotta break it and put it on

1467
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: my wall. In a heart, I'm like, no, no, no,

1468
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: it needs to break. You don't break the board. No.

1469
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: I saw him trying to jump on a board the

1470
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: other trying to snap his board. I show them the

1471
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: easy way to really, can you actually have a I

1472
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: have a way to break my board while I'm skating.

1473
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: That looks like an accident, And I've done it in

1474
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: the past to get out of doing demos, like because

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01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: we'll be doing a demo at something and there's no

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01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: end in sight, and the organizers just like yeah, I

1477
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: just keep seeing its like it looks like I do

1478
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: a big trick and I land wrong and the board breaks.

1479
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: That's done it. So I usually I did it through

1480
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 1: the nineties a lot. I didn't know that that's or

1481
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: like I'll be skating and then I remember one time

1482
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: we were skating at this weird sort of bar thing

1483
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 1: and there was a band playing and I'm skating with

1484
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: Christiana Soy and Jeff Grosso and someone else and they

1485
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: just got wasted. Took like two runs and then just

1486
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: dove into the crowd, so I was left on my

1487
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: own skating this ramp that I was not having. It

1488
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: was smoky, and finally I just was like doing the move.

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01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,919
Speaker 1: Do you remember a time when you were your most nervous,

1490
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: like just you were like, I don't know if I

1491
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 1: can you know, drop in or just I think my

1492
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: first contest really yeah, because I just didn't understand i'd

1493
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: understand strategy, I didn't understand confidence, and I was just like, Okay,

1494
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and I and I ended up bailing

1495
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: on twice on a trick that I could do every

1496
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: time in my sleep. Yeah, And it taught me a

1497
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: lesson and taught me like, oh, you gotta you gotta practice,

1498
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: and you gotta get confident, you gotta figure this out.

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01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: Are there any competitions that you because you let it

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01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: all go as an athlete, but that you lost, that

1501
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: you that you shiit the bed and it's stuck with you,

1502
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Anything big where you're like

1503
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: you can still even remember one of those one of

1504
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: those big vision events, I missed a pretty basic trick.

1505
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: It was like one of the biggest events. It was

1506
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: the first one, not the one he's talking about. But

1507
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: the first one they had in an arena and they

1508
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: built this big ramp and they had you know, it

1509
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: was it was the biggest event at the time, probably

1510
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: like three or four thousand people there, and and I won.

1511
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: One of my runs, just missed a mixed twist, like yeah,

1512
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: something I would never ever miss. And I remember as

1513
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: I took off and my board left my feet, I

1514
01:23:55,240 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: was like, no. So I ended up going fourth place,

1515
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: and that was pretty disappointing at the time. Okay, So,

1516
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: if you were to cast your movie it's the it's

1517
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: the movie of your life and you both are the

1518
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: main characters, who would you cast as your characters? Current

1519
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:21,759
Speaker 1: day actor? I would say Rory Culkin for you? Yeah,

1520
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: oh for you, Yeah, that's a good one. I like that.

1521
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 1: For Steve, I always thought I always thought Alan Aldo

1522
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: was Steve. So he's a little old now wow, okay,

1523
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: But growing up, growing up watching Mash, I was like, oh,

1524
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: there we go. Oh my god, dude is like ninety five. Yeah,

1525
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: but in Mash, I know exactly who is an out

1526
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: totally yea, but for her, not current ald, No, what's

1527
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,799
Speaker 1: his name? At the end of The Big Lebowski, the cowboy. Uh,

1528
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: I get Sam Elliott, soll I know Samuel. That's awesome.

1529
01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: And if we if we could, just if we can

1530
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: to forego a time space continued, I would say Anthony

1531
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 1: Michael Hall in his Weird Science that was me. That

1532
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: really that was me. That's really good. I'll take Sean

1533
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: pannas Piccoli. There you go, so we're Anthony Michael Okay.

1534
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: Now there's two parts to this question. One is if

1535
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: you could alleviate something from your brother that you felt

1536
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: would expand his life, what would that be? And then

1537
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: the other question is if you could have something of

1538
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: your brother equality, equality for yourself, what would you take.

1539
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: I think the thing I would alleviate is his not fear,

1540
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: but his dislike of uh kind of hardcore, grueling outdoor

1541
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: adventure because I just did a boat trip to Alaska

1542
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: surf trip that was one of the best surf trips

1543
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: I've ever had, And I tried to get him to go,

1544
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't because it was not comfortable living quarters,

1545
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: and but it was just his pitch. His pitch was, well,

1546
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a converted fishing boat, and where they

1547
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: used to keep the fish, they've converted that into asana

1548
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: and so you can hang your wetsuit there to dry.

1549
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 1: That's it. Not there's a there's a really good chef.

1550
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: There's no food. Was awesome sleeping quarters. So you can

1551
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:41,480
Speaker 1: dry your wetsuit in the boat. That's sounds awesome. I'm

1552
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: a vis uh. And then the second half of that

1553
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: was his some of his uh physical skills. I wish

1554
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: I were the athlete that he used. Although he can

1555
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: surf like mother big wave. Yeah no, not really. Yes,

1556
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: he serves big ways, he's I mean he's going to

1557
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: what ware he caught a massive hollow really really cloud break. Really.

1558
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: One thing you'd like to alleviate from your brother, I

1559
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: think his his indecisiveness, just ability to just kind of

1560
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: almost in a sense like give no fox, like yeah,

1561
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: do that this because I've heard him sort of be

1562
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: his own worst enemy of trying to make a decision

1563
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: going round and then and then at some point maybe

1564
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: not going forward with it like it just okay. And

1565
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: then a quality that you would love a few oh

1566
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: his literacy. He's the best writer. Oh. I love this

1567
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: because the things that you both excel in are things

1568
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: that you admire on each other. It's so nice yeah,

1569
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean I've learned, I've learned to be an okay

1570
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: writer just by watching him, Like, yeah, it pisses me

1571
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: off now because he'll give send me something and say, hey,

1572
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: can you give us an edit? And I'm like, dude,

1573
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm the right or stop get out. I really can't

1574
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: leave me alone. Yes, I mean I just met you

1575
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: guys with Steve seems very so like a very soulful person.

1576
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Totally soulful? I'm so soulful, soulful, like

1577
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: just come on, just a soulful until he's like two

1578
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: whiskeys deep. Really, you guys, thank you so much. It's

1579
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: so nice getting to know you got you to thank you. Yes,

1580
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: all right, later later, thank you. Sibling Revelry is executive

1581
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: produced by Kate Hudson, Olira Hudson, and sim Sarna. Supervising

1582
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: producer is Alison Presnant. Editor is Josh Wendish. Music by

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01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: Mark Hudson a k A. Uncle Mar