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Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, August seventh, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 6: episode fourteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break
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Speaker 4: We are rolling through training camp. Actually today is the midpoint.
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Speaker 6: the time that we will leave.
Speaker 4: So we're we're moving through this thing.
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Speaker 4: All right, here's we're gonna do today.
Speaker 6: We're going to first start with some transactions at the
Speaker 6: Cowboys made and right on, que we got our guys
Speaker 6: out here making sure.
Speaker 3: And make you're gonna park it right there.
Speaker 6: They are making sure that these players have a good
Speaker 6: field yes to be able to practice. I had someone
Speaker 6: on Twitter asked me, you know, why are you gonna
Speaker 6: tell them to stop it?
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, man, we are not the priority. Podcast
Speaker 4: is not the priority.
Speaker 6: Having these guys on a field where we don't have
Speaker 6: a CLS getting busted every day is the priority.
Speaker 4: So do what you need to do. We'll figure it out,
Speaker 4: all right. But here's what we're gonna talk about. Some
Speaker 4: transactions today the Cowboys made.
Speaker 6: We'll get into some practice observations, some things you guys
Speaker 6: have seen over the last couple of practices, and then
Speaker 6: we'll talk a little bit.
Speaker 4: About a couple different things.
Speaker 6: I have a couple different topics, one of them being
Speaker 6: the safety position. I think as one position we have
Speaker 6: not spent a lot of time talking about. So I
Speaker 6: want to dive into that a little bit at some
Speaker 6: point in today's show.
Speaker 4: Let's start with transactions.
Speaker 6: Yesterday Cowboys signed three players and they move Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 6: to revert reserved did not report my assumption.
Speaker 4: Is that was more of just a move.
Speaker 6: You needed a roster spot, you make the move not
Speaker 6: necessarily indicative of anything going on with contract.
Speaker 4: Is that how you guys read it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I see it that way.
Speaker 8: I mean it could if they felt like a CD
Speaker 8: Lamb deal could get done by the end of the week,
Speaker 8: then maybe they don't make that kind of move. But
Speaker 8: this is starting to trend more towards a thing that
Speaker 8: I feel like happens by the end of camp. And
Speaker 8: if that's the case, and that's one extra body that
Speaker 8: they could have here at training camp, and so that's
Speaker 8: what they do. They wanted to bring in three guys
Speaker 8: on the defensive side of the ball. They were able
Speaker 8: to do that yesterday by moving Lamb, so that did
Speaker 8: not report lists. I mean, if you think about it,
Speaker 8: this is something they could have done maybe at the
Speaker 8: beginning of camp, but you know, with the way the
Speaker 8: negotiations are going on, it seems that the team is
Speaker 8: comfortable pushing that out and maybe if he doesn't return
Speaker 8: until the camp is over, then they're okay with doing that.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry to get antsy, because yes, this move doesn't
Speaker 9: mean anything in the sense of like, yeah, and if
Speaker 9: he was just signed today or whatever, they'll bring him
Speaker 9: in and they're gonna make a spot for him and
Speaker 9: room from him, obviously, But at the same time, it's like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 9: I guess it's not happening today or maybe not tomorrow,
Speaker 9: or maybe not this weekend because you do need the bodies.
Speaker 9: But it's uh, we thought it was gonna happen last week,
Speaker 9: I felt like, and it's still. People keep asking on
Speaker 9: on Twitter and everything. I haven't heard anything. I don't
Speaker 9: think you guys have unless y'all did last night at
Speaker 9: the party.
Speaker 7: I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 10: It's up school, the insights.
Speaker 9: Come on, bring but the fans one on the show, Brian,
Speaker 9: have you heard anything?
Speaker 3: I'm with this. I was at the party last night.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this.
Speaker 11: When you start needing to worry is when it turns
Speaker 11: into game checks because the way the rules fall down,
Speaker 11: you know, if you look at what Lamb makes, he
Speaker 11: could lose a million dollars a game, and so all
Speaker 11: of a sudden, now you start missing games. Right now,
Speaker 11: you're in that phase where you're you know you're getting fined,
Speaker 11: but they can all rescind the fines. We talked about
Speaker 11: that a bunch, so I think they're working through things
Speaker 11: right now. I to me, it's more about, like, you
Speaker 11: have an idea what the numbers are going to be
Speaker 11: with the parameters, where are they going to fall? How
Speaker 11: close can you get him to the top receiver? You
Speaker 11: know obviously the cowboys, you know, they don't want to
Speaker 11: reset the market. That's something I've always found with Steven
Speaker 11: Jones and Adam Pacific and those guys. If you come
Speaker 11: in at or under, they seem to work those numbers
Speaker 11: a little bit better and it makes them feel better
Speaker 11: about what they're doing here. So but when you start
Speaker 11: missing games, that's when it becomes I think, very very
Speaker 11: serious here.
Speaker 3: So we'll see if that.
Speaker 11: I don't think they're gonna get that point, but pack,
Speaker 11: you know, this thing has kind of gone on a
Speaker 11: little bit longer than I thought it would myself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get the suspicion that it's not necessarily the number.
Speaker 4: And when I say the number, the.
Speaker 6: Average that he makes for you, I don't think that's
Speaker 6: really probably what's driving or slowing this thing down.
Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is, when you're talking about
Speaker 4: a deal like this.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of other factors of how you structure
Speaker 6: the deal that will affect cash flow, that will affect
Speaker 6: how the Cowboys pay it out, that will affect how
Speaker 6: it will hit the salary cap over the next several years.
Speaker 6: I suspect that that's probably more what holds this up
Speaker 6: because I think everybody sees the writing on the wall, right,
Speaker 6: you know what the numbers probably are, just because you
Speaker 6: know where he slots relative to other receivers around the NFL.
Speaker 6: So I don't you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 6: like that's the hard part of this is when you
Speaker 6: start getting into the details and making sure all that
Speaker 6: can work not only for CD but also for the
Speaker 6: Cowboys and what they have to do with Dak, what
Speaker 6: they got to do with maybe Micah or presumably Micah
Speaker 6: and everybody else that's coming up the next couple of
Speaker 6: years when it comes to new deals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a the heat to me.
Speaker 11: When you look at Lamb and people always say, when
Speaker 11: you give a guy a contract, are you expecting what
Speaker 11: do you expect?
Speaker 3: He's gotten better every year? Yeah?
Speaker 11: Yes, so you when you start to look at the
Speaker 11: players around the league at wide receiver, he fits in
Speaker 11: with those guys. When you start to talk about the
Speaker 11: best receivers. He is one of those guys, and he's
Speaker 11: gotten better every single year he plays. And you're as
Speaker 11: a front officer thinking, if you give a guy a contract,
Speaker 11: you don't want it to be two years in and
Speaker 11: then all of a sudden we're eating dead money at
Speaker 11: the end of it. You want a guy that's making
Speaker 11: you know, is every year it's going you know, okay, hey, yes,
Speaker 11: he's earning this, he's earning this, and Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 3: To me, is that type of guy. You know he is.
Speaker 11: He is that guy that if you watch him play,
Speaker 11: he has gotten better. Now there's people out there and say, well, wait, broadus,
Speaker 11: what happened in the playoff games?
Speaker 3: What are we doing? You know?
Speaker 11: I mean there's a lot of things in the playoffs
Speaker 11: you can talk about this football team.
Speaker 3: It's just not Ceedy Lamb.
Speaker 11: But to me, if I'm looking at the front office
Speaker 11: aspect of it, I'm looking at it as like, hey, guys,
Speaker 11: I it doesn't take.
Speaker 3: Long to call the role.
Speaker 11: He's in a room where he's very comparable to guys
Speaker 11: playing at a very very high level.
Speaker 10: Yeah you know what drives me nuts? Oh? Sorry, what
Speaker 10: you I was gonna say just real quick.
Speaker 9: What drives me nuts is and again I don't work
Speaker 9: in that in that room, like I don't deal with contracts,
Speaker 9: so I understand that it can be very, very complex.
Speaker 9: But at the same time, you know this was expected.
Speaker 9: You know Dak's contract coming up, CDs MIC's coming up next,
Speaker 9: You know kind of what those numbers are gonna look like.
Speaker 9: Sure you were waiting to see what other players we're
Speaker 9: gonna get, but you get it. You have an idea.
Speaker 9: So it drives me crazy knowing what they did not
Speaker 9: do during the off season because of cap money and
Speaker 9: they were unable to do. And then we're sitting here
Speaker 9: at this point where it is getting closer and closer
Speaker 9: to the season, and I understand how valuable and obviously
Speaker 9: they do too, how valuable it is to have CD
Speaker 9: out here. We know it's gonna take up a ramp
Speaker 9: up period, Nick, you talked about it the other day.
Speaker 9: We know that what that's gonna look like, but we
Speaker 9: also know how that can hurt the team as far
Speaker 9: as like when the season actually starts and all of that.
Speaker 10: So it's just it's it's always.
Speaker 9: Wild when we're sitting here this far into camp, talking
Speaker 9: about contracts because you know what's coming, you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think an interesting part too, just the
Speaker 8: entire negotiation factors are the little nuances, and those nuances
Speaker 8: change every time that another receiver gets done or the
Speaker 8: rumors starts swirling about another receiver getting done.
Speaker 7: So let's just look at this week, for example.
Speaker 8: Let's say they started the week with an understanding of
Speaker 8: where both sides were at the negotiation. You know, one
Speaker 8: side maybe feels optimistic or upbeat, you know, Stephen Jones
Speaker 8: has said a couple of times. And then a deal
Speaker 8: like Tyreek Hill gets done where he didn't necessarily add
Speaker 8: more money, but he got more guaranteed money than any.
Speaker 7: Receiver in NFL history.
Speaker 8: So you add that nuance into the entire negotiation, that
Speaker 8: adds a whole different thought over right. Yeah, and then
Speaker 8: now you're looking at this Brandon Nyuk situation, the Ceedee
Speaker 8: Lamb and his representation fall back and say, hey, let's
Speaker 8: kind of see what happens here, because there's the Steelers
Speaker 8: that are trying to make an offer for him, the Patriots,
Speaker 8: the Browns, and if he were to get traded, then
Speaker 8: they signed an extension for him as well. And that's
Speaker 8: in the same draft class, and that probably impacts more
Speaker 8: than what Tyreek Hill could have impacted as far as
Speaker 8: the nuances of the steal. So there's so many different
Speaker 8: factors and different players that are involved within these two
Speaker 8: sides of the negotiation as well.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you got a team in this Brandon Nyuk thing.
Speaker 11: And I was talking to my buddies in San Francisco
Speaker 11: about it yesterday and they're like, listen, whichever way this goes,
Speaker 11: we've got this thing covered, you know, wherever it comes
Speaker 11: back in compensation now. And you're right about Brandon Ayuk.
Speaker 11: I mean, if he ends up in New England, there's
Speaker 11: a team that needs weapons, there's a team to willing
Speaker 11: to pay. There's a team that you know again, how
Speaker 11: the Hills situation, Ayuk? I mean, everybody's waiting to see
Speaker 11: and it seems like maybe you make some steps forward
Speaker 11: in this negotiation and then some other thing gets thrown
Speaker 11: into the mix that totally will Wait a minute, we
Speaker 11: didn't think about this, you know, Well, wait a minute,
Speaker 11: we had a deal. Well no, we don't have a
Speaker 11: deal now because we just got some new information. So
Speaker 11: the front office is chasing a lot of that right now.
Speaker 4: It's a hard thing to do to come up with
Speaker 4: these deals.
Speaker 6: And like I said, there's a lot of different fronts
Speaker 6: when you're talking about a deal like this.
Speaker 4: It's not just the overall money.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of other factors that go into how
Speaker 6: it has to be structured.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a lot of what's going on here.
Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the guys that they signed.
Speaker 6: Give me a rundown on linebacker Darius Harris, defensive tackle
Speaker 6: Albert Huggins, and linebacker Nick Vigil.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I could, I'll start with Nick Vigil, a
Speaker 8: third round pick of the Cincinnati Bengals back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 8: So at the time, current Cowboys defensive run game coordinator
Speaker 8: Paul Gunther was the defensive coordinator for the Bengals, and
Speaker 8: so he was his coach for two years and then
Speaker 8: later in his career, Nick Vigil had a season with
Speaker 8: Mike Zimmer up in Minnesota in twenty twenty one, so
Speaker 8: a lot of experience and knowledge of the system Nick
Speaker 8: Vigil has coming in here. Had started twelve games, accounted
Speaker 8: for eighty five tackles in that season with the Vikings.
Speaker 8: Back in twenty twenty one, he had an injury that
Speaker 8: he battled in twenty twenty two, and it kind of
Speaker 8: resorted him to the practice squad of the Vikings in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7: But nevertheless, it's another guy.
Speaker 8: In the building that knows the system could help bring
Speaker 8: these young guys up to speed. And then Albert Huggins
Speaker 8: six foot three, three hundred and five pound defensive tackle,
Speaker 8: and O'Brien will probably talk a little bit more about
Speaker 8: his alignment. I feel like he's more fit to be
Speaker 8: a three tech, maybe to rotate in with Osa Digizua.
Speaker 8: But five seasons he's been in the NFL, five different
Speaker 8: teams that he's played for, so this will be team
Speaker 8: number six for him. But he started in five games
Speaker 8: for the Atlanta Falcons last season and accounted for twenty
Speaker 8: two tackles, by far, the most action he's participated in
Speaker 8: his NFL career, so coming off of a lot of experience.
Speaker 8: He also had a very brief stint with Mike Zimmer
Speaker 8: in Minnesota back in twenty twenty on the practice squad,
Speaker 8: and then Darius Harris. He spent four season with the
Speaker 8: Kansas City Chiefs, undrafted linebacker out of Middle Tennessee State
Speaker 8: in twenty nineteen, he participated in thirty three games. His
Speaker 8: best season came at twenty twenty two. He played in
Speaker 8: all seventeen games and racked up forty three tackles. So
Speaker 8: pretty good to have a two time Super Bowl chap
Speaker 8: on your roster as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do this real quick, Brian, I want to
Speaker 6: take the break and come back. I'm how Brian, give
Speaker 6: us a gattery report on these three guys. I know
Speaker 6: you've watched all three. Yeah, and give us some insight
Speaker 6: as to what you think they can provide for this
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Speaker 6: dot Com. All right, so, Brian, as we were going
Speaker 6: to break, we had mentioned the three guys that the
Speaker 6: Cowboys signed.
Speaker 4: Give us some scatter reports on these players.
Speaker 11: Yeah, they'll start with Virgil and he's kind of been
Speaker 11: a guy that's when you watch him play, maybe a
Speaker 11: career special teams guy with you know, with his mainly
Speaker 11: that's how he's always kind of stayed on teams.
Speaker 3: First off, I was a little bit surprised that they.
Speaker 11: Were bringing in linebackers. I don't know how you guys feel.
Speaker 11: Watching practice, I kind of felt like that this room
Speaker 11: has shown up at linebacker a little bit. And I
Speaker 11: it to me, you know, maybe it might be like
Speaker 11: they they not get with the one out of these
Speaker 11: guys special teams wise, his bones kind of because if
Speaker 11: you look at it, Virgil and you also look at Harris,
Speaker 11: kind of guys that play a lot of special teams
Speaker 11: and play on all different special teams. So maybe it's like, Okay,
Speaker 11: guys that know what we're going to do, how we're
Speaker 11: going to play, how we're going to line up, But
Speaker 11: give you that ability to block, that the return ability
Speaker 11: and all that.
Speaker 4: So can I throw this out just a question for you.
Speaker 6: You think maybe it's partially because they like a lot
Speaker 6: of their linebackers, a lot of them. They may say,
Speaker 6: we don't necessarily want to play them in the preseason.
Speaker 4: Somebody like Overshowing.
Speaker 6: You would think it's got to be a lot in
Speaker 6: the preseason, but because of the injury, they may not,
Speaker 6: and they're like, we need bodies to be able to
Speaker 6: play these games.
Speaker 11: I'm interested to ask because it's not an area if
Speaker 11: you're bringing in defensive tackle, I understand, you know, if
Speaker 11: they were bringing secondary help, I would go why you know?
Speaker 3: Or the linebacker help? Why?
Speaker 11: So that's what you do today is you try and
Speaker 11: go up and ask somebody like, Okay, what what was
Speaker 11: the thought about you know, the linebackers here?
Speaker 3: And to your point, I don't have.
Speaker 11: A great answer for you because that's not a position
Speaker 11: I would have attacked. I would have thought, Okay, I've
Speaker 11: got some young guys here, you know, I want to
Speaker 11: see them play. But you know, I don't know. That's
Speaker 11: it was surprising to me. But when you start to
Speaker 11: talk about with with Virgil and what he's done, he
Speaker 11: plays really as an inside linebacker, and that's more than
Speaker 11: you know. You think, oh, well, is he a Mike
Speaker 11: or is he a Will Sam? More of a Sam linebacker.
Speaker 11: The thing about him is he's an aware player. He's
Speaker 11: a good tackler in open space. There were a couple
Speaker 11: of times when the ball got thrown and he got
Speaker 11: putting coverage and the ball went to the outside and
Speaker 11: it was it was like a third down play, third
Speaker 11: and short, and they throw it to the flat to
Speaker 11: the back and he immediately makes the tackle for no
Speaker 11: gain and now you're like off the field. So that
Speaker 11: part of it was when you look at him, you
Speaker 11: can put him in coverage. He's an aware player. He
Speaker 11: uses his hands well from what I saw, you know,
Speaker 11: getting rid of blockers or a couple of times where
Speaker 11: guys came on him, he was able to engage and
Speaker 11: then get rid of the guy and then still find
Speaker 11: the football. I'd like to see a little bit better
Speaker 11: burst from him. There were some times where you could
Speaker 11: tell that everybody else was moving and he was moving,
Speaker 11: but there wasn't that like you'll see these guys out here,
Speaker 11: Like if you watch Clark and those guys, they cover.
Speaker 3: Some ground when they're running to chase the football.
Speaker 11: So i'd like to see a little bit better burst
Speaker 11: from him that way. But the strike as a tackler's good.
Speaker 11: I don't see a lot of quickness with the guy,
Speaker 11: which is again something you see out here with these linebackers.
Speaker 11: There is some guys that can run. There's some like
Speaker 11: when they read it, they go. He's a little bit
Speaker 11: of a guy that when he sees it he's gonna go.
Speaker 3: But I think that's his strength right now.
Speaker 11: Is his awareness to be able to play the position
Speaker 11: and get over and then make the play. But he
Speaker 11: is a really really good tackle or tackler. I think
Speaker 11: he's going to be a rotational linebacker forim here and
Speaker 11: the special team.
Speaker 3: Stuff that I mentioned. So, and then you get to
Speaker 3: Darius Harris.
Speaker 11: I watched him quite a bit on special teams as well,
Speaker 11: just because I was curious about him. He's got some
Speaker 11: size to him, He's got some quickness off the ball,
Speaker 11: unlike with what you have with Virgil there. I'd like
Speaker 11: to see him adjust a little bit better in space.
Speaker 11: That was something that when you watch him play, he's
Speaker 11: kind of a bigger guy, and it was like he
Speaker 11: was not unsure, but it was like the ball was
Speaker 11: here and he was having you and then oh, come back,
Speaker 11: but there was not that quick processing to it. It
Speaker 11: was like, Oh, there it is now. I gotta think,
Speaker 11: you know, I like to see him play a little
Speaker 11: bit better that way. I think it's straight ahead speed
Speaker 11: is really good. The lateral stuff not so much, I
Speaker 11: think all but he's one of those guys that if
Speaker 11: it's attacking, he's going to be good that way with it.
Speaker 11: So special teams rotational linebacker kind of fits into what
Speaker 11: you're doing without the It's got the size, but doesn't
Speaker 11: have the quickness or the burst that these guys have
Speaker 11: right now. Albert Huggins I mentioned I watched the games
Speaker 11: where he was playing the defensive tackle. The Packers game
Speaker 11: is one of the games he plays both as a
Speaker 11: nose and as a three technique. You're right, Nick, I
Speaker 11: think he's a little bit, probably more of a three
Speaker 11: than this, but he does have some lateral slide to
Speaker 11: his game.
Speaker 3: You see him.
Speaker 11: Maybe they're trying to kind of figure out a backup
Speaker 11: spot for OsO Diggizuwa out here.
Speaker 3: You know, is it Golston?
Speaker 11: If maybe if all of a sudden Huggins works out,
Speaker 11: you can move Golston maybe to another spot. So that
Speaker 11: might be what we're trying to do here. But he
Speaker 11: does have quickness, he'll hold the point of attack. There's
Speaker 11: some squareness to his game. And when I say squareness,
Speaker 11: he'll take on. You don't see his he's wearing number
Speaker 11: ninety four. You didn't see him get turned or moved
Speaker 11: out of the hole that way. So but you know
Speaker 11: there were times where they they kind of were uh
Speaker 11: where he was able to get down the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 11: He beat the cutoff blocks, the reach blocks. You know,
Speaker 11: he's he's he can get kind of trapped in one area.
Speaker 11: So you know, you want to see maybe a little
Speaker 11: bit better extend and then a little bit better of
Speaker 11: getting rid.
Speaker 3: Of the guy.
Speaker 11: But you see him upfield and he wins upfield. I'd
Speaker 11: like to see a little bit more better awareness of
Speaker 11: the down block, like he would engage and then he
Speaker 11: wouldn't feel the block coming.
Speaker 3: A lot of these guys could feel that and know
Speaker 3: that and.
Speaker 11: Work around that block, and he kind of got blocked
Speaker 11: when it was that down block.
Speaker 3: He was kind of taking that on.
Speaker 11: And I'm like, man, how many times are you gonna
Speaker 11: get hit in the side before you realize they're down
Speaker 11: blocking you in this game? So I think I think
Speaker 11: he'll I think he'll be a good addition to trying
Speaker 11: to figure out can he play a little one and
Speaker 11: help him?
Speaker 3: But can he play that three and maybe be.
Speaker 11: Behind Osa and then allow like I said, allows them
Speaker 11: to move golst into another spot.
Speaker 4: That's good stuff. All right, Let's let's move on.
Speaker 6: Let's get some practice notes over the last couple practices.
Speaker 6: Let's go down the line. Tell me some things that
Speaker 6: you notice, some things jumped out of em. Let's start
Speaker 6: with you.
Speaker 10: Well, can I go on a quick rant, real fun.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Like I'm gonna say, Noah, like you're about my
Speaker 6: scouting reports?
Speaker 9: No, but yeah, so every year, I you know, we
Speaker 9: get excited before the season starts and blah blah blah.
Speaker 9: But you know, being there done that. In my case,
Speaker 9: I've learned my lesson type of thing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm not gonna get.
Speaker 9: Excited about nothing. Y'all better show me in the playoffs
Speaker 9: not doing.
Speaker 10: This, you know.
Speaker 9: So, But the Cowboys tend to have some spark that
Speaker 9: they work their magic, and I'm a victim again that
Speaker 9: I'm about to jump on the roller coaster. But there's
Speaker 9: something that is really really exciting. The other day on
Speaker 9: the other show, Ryan, you mentioned Mike Zimmer and what
Speaker 9: he's been doing with the defense. To me, the more
Speaker 9: and more I watch, the more and more excited I
Speaker 9: get because it's such a different look than what we
Speaker 9: are used to seeing with the Cowboys defense in recent years.
Speaker 10: The way that he's.
Speaker 9: Disguising guys, you know, plays and and just the trick
Speaker 9: aspect where you would watch other teams do things like
Speaker 9: that and we're like, why can't we ever have that?
Speaker 10: Why can't we ever Like I'm missing I.
Speaker 9: Can't think of the word, but just tricking the eye.
Speaker 10: But the point is what.
Speaker 9: He's what he's doing, what he's doing right now with
Speaker 9: all of that, it's such a different look. I think
Speaker 9: it's gonna be very very exciting for fans to see,
Speaker 9: for us to watch this season, and it's allowing guys
Speaker 9: to be positioned better to allow them to be more
Speaker 9: explosive and more creative and like get to the place
Speaker 9: where they need to be and I think the defense
Speaker 9: yesterday's practice, they had a really good day. Everything that
Speaker 9: they did, they won. In my opinion, they won the day.
Speaker 9: They were the better group yesterday and everyone's looking it's
Speaker 9: just exciting. And I got a chance to talk to
Speaker 9: Trevon Diggs and I asked him, Hey, you've been standing
Speaker 9: on the sidelines for quite a while. Who has a
Speaker 9: guy who's a guy that's been standing out to you?
Speaker 9: And he mentioned killing Carson. He's a guy that he's like.
Speaker 9: He he's really quick, very very good with his footwork,
Speaker 9: his handwork, and he's when you watch him on field,
Speaker 9: aside from what happens on here, when you go into
Speaker 9: the film room and start watching what he's doing, he's
Speaker 9: a guy to look forw He's been.
Speaker 10: Very very impressive.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna piggyback off that with another corner that
Speaker 8: I think is just having a phenomenal camp, and that's
Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 3: Got darn it man.
Speaker 8: Looking at what he's been able to do over the
Speaker 8: course of these these couple of weeks. Men, he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 8: And I think that there's a couple of things that
Speaker 8: play into that. A it's different than last camp, for
Speaker 8: him in the sense that he's been healthy the whole offseason.
Speaker 8: He's been able to improve this whole offseason instead of Hey,
Speaker 8: trying to get healthy and trying to make it in
Speaker 8: time for training camp. There's a different mindset that I
Speaker 8: think plays into that. And then you know last year
Speaker 8: he was just getting comfortable being on the field again
Speaker 8: after that List Frank injury to his foot that was
Speaker 8: career threatening at one point. But you see that confidence
Speaker 8: not only in his body but with his ability. The
Speaker 8: way he ended the season last year. The Detroit game
Speaker 8: really sticks out to me as a game that he
Speaker 8: really stood out in. But just yesterday diving interception of
Speaker 8: Dak Prescott, it was the first one that Dak has
Speaker 8: thrown since they've been in pads, and then he had
Speaker 8: another one in the corner of the end zone that
Speaker 8: he went up with one hand and could have brought
Speaker 8: it down but just missed it.
Speaker 7: He's he's all over the place.
Speaker 8: You see the physicality that's starting to come back with
Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis, and that's what we saw at the end
Speaker 8: of the year last year. So he's just taking where
Speaker 8: he left off in twenty twenty three and moving it
Speaker 8: right into twenty twenty four.
Speaker 7: Really loved that.
Speaker 8: And then one other thing that I'll point out from
Speaker 8: yesterday's practice specifically is they did a session with a
Speaker 8: goal line work and they were throwing in a different
Speaker 8: array of running backs trying to get those one two
Speaker 8: yards to get into the end zone, and the defense
Speaker 8: was a stone wall. I think they got him three
Speaker 8: consecutive reps, which was really huge for that defensive unit,
Speaker 8: and you could see, like whenever they were making those stops,
Speaker 8: you could see how much confidence was being built on
Speaker 8: that defensive side of the ball. So if you're worried
Speaker 8: about interior defensive line like I am, then that's definitely
Speaker 8: a that's definitely a positive mark you could look at.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you you're absolutely right about Jordan Lewis defensive
Speaker 3: holding penalty. We had the reference here, we'll.
Speaker 17: Take our ones where we get um and I I
Speaker 17: was trying to think who was going to get the
Speaker 17: first defensive holding penalty because these guys will I thought
Speaker 17: it was a good day over And I think you're
Speaker 17: absolute right about Jordan.
Speaker 11: Lewis and the player personnel trailer over there, they're watching
Speaker 11: film at night and they're trying to figure out how
Speaker 11: to get.
Speaker 3: Jalen Cropper on this team is what they're trying to do.
Speaker 11: He's making them a wide receiver in that room. Have
Speaker 11: to think about how many receivers are we going to carry?
Speaker 11: Are we going to be able to carry six?
Speaker 3: Do we carry five? How is this going to play out?
Speaker 11: He continues to make play after play, and it doesn't
Speaker 11: matter what group he could run with. The ones he
Speaker 11: makes place, he runs with, the twos he makes place,
Speaker 11: he runs with, the threes, he makes plays. It just
Speaker 11: seems like every time that you hear bones fossil, it's
Speaker 11: third and four, it's fourth and three, they throw the
Speaker 11: ball to sixteen and it's a first down, or they
Speaker 11: get down in tight red zone and.
Speaker 3: He's able to separate.
Speaker 11: He is making it very difficult keep an eye on him,
Speaker 11: especially this weekend, if it turns into or maybe all
Speaker 11: the preseason games. Does he function on special teams because
Speaker 11: all of a sudden, if you see and you've noticed
Speaker 11: number sixteen, he's gonna have to make his team.
Speaker 3: Being a complete guy.
Speaker 11: I don't think he could just be catch your guy
Speaker 11: or you know, but he is making that group over
Speaker 11: there in that personnel trailer.
Speaker 3: Have to think about keeping a spot on this roster
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 6: I'll throw out a name, and it's a guy that's
Speaker 6: a name that everybody knows, and quite frankly, I just
Speaker 6: over the last two practices I've started noticing him more.
Speaker 4: It's Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 6: He is not a guy obviously at running back. It's
Speaker 6: hard at training training camp to really see things from
Speaker 6: running backs, even linebackers that really impress me because the
Speaker 6: primary function of both of their jobs don't happen out here.
Speaker 6: Running Backs don't break tackles out here. Linebackers don't linebackers
Speaker 6: don't tackle out here, so you're not gonna really find
Speaker 6: out a lot about them until you get into the
Speaker 6: real games. But what I've seen from Zeke that made
Speaker 6: me a little more excited is he has a little
Speaker 6: more whig then I think I've I thought he still
Speaker 6: had at this point in his career. I thought of
Speaker 6: him more as just kind of that guy who was
Speaker 6: kind of find the whole, kind of get into it.
Speaker 4: But he's been out here, he's been a little more.
Speaker 6: Spry over the last couple of practices, and that that
Speaker 6: made me kind of it didn't pique my interest to
Speaker 6: make me see just you know where I think he's
Speaker 6: gonna gonna be and what he can possibly be for
Speaker 6: this team this season. He did have, as we said,
Speaker 6: we keep saying, he had a better second half of
Speaker 6: the year last year than the first half, and and
Speaker 6: could just be a situation where you really can get
Speaker 6: some really good production out of Zeke Elliott. I'm starting
Speaker 6: to get a little more excited about that at this point,
Speaker 6: just seeing some of the things I've seen out here
Speaker 6: in last.
Speaker 11: Hey, Rico Dabble is backing up either now, I mean
Speaker 11: backing up in a way of like, Okay, Zeke, it's
Speaker 11: all yours. I think that Rico is trying to put
Speaker 11: and I know that they're they're working Zeke, and you're
Speaker 11: mentioned a couple of days you are seeing. I felt
Speaker 11: like in the early practices.
Speaker 3: We really weren't seeing Zeke.
Speaker 11: I agree, yeah, And it's I remember Todd Arch and
Speaker 11: I were talking like is he practicing? And I'm like,
Speaker 11: I don't feel like he is, But you are seeing.
Speaker 11: You're right, you are seeing a little bit more from him,
Speaker 11: uh in that regard. But I I don't think Rico
Speaker 11: Dawdell is going to just give him this job. They'll
Speaker 11: probably say okay, you could be the guy. You know,
Speaker 11: they're probably the front office, Okay, you're Zeke, You're gonna
Speaker 11: But Rico Dawdell is making it interesting too as well
Speaker 11: that the way he's kind of playing with some complete
Speaker 11: the running ability to catching the ball and then some
Speaker 11: of the blitz pick up stuff as well.
Speaker 8: And I think regardless of how the depth chart stacks up,
Speaker 8: Rico Dawdell's going to have more opportunities than he had
Speaker 8: last year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's just based.
Speaker 3: On his health.
Speaker 11: Is always the question that if you know, if you
Speaker 11: if you told me this is going to sound crazy,
Speaker 11: you told me he was going to be healthy for
Speaker 11: seventeen weeks.
Speaker 3: He's a better player right now than Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: I think the scene he is, he is a better
Speaker 3: player right now.
Speaker 11: If you said, okay, we are going to have to
Speaker 11: run the football and and you know, and I I'm
Speaker 11: not ever against putting the things in Dak Prescott's hands
Speaker 11: because he was a you know what you saw last year.
Speaker 11: I don't want him throwing the ball forty five times
Speaker 11: a game. But I will say this though, the guy
Speaker 11: that seems to give me a little bit of like, Okay,
Speaker 11: maybe this running game can average four yards four and
Speaker 11: a half yards and carry. I kind of feel like
Speaker 11: that's Rico Daddle right now. And I but I this
Speaker 11: room is still got me a little bit. Is there
Speaker 11: somebody else? Is there somebody else out there?
Speaker 8: I still feel like they just have three RB twos
Speaker 8: that they're just gonna throw on.
Speaker 11: I don't disagree with you on that, but I think
Speaker 11: that I think the thing with Rico Daddle, if I
Speaker 11: didn't have this injury concern in my head, I would
Speaker 11: I would totally say he no, he can, you know,
Speaker 11: put the put the put the equipment on the wagon
Speaker 11: and let him pull the wagon.
Speaker 6: But here's the thing, like I think, if they can
Speaker 6: get solid production out of Zeke, which is why I've
Speaker 6: been happy with what I've seen these last couple of days,
Speaker 6: they can get solid production from Zeke and what you
Speaker 6: say about Rico and what they like about Hunter Lipke,
Speaker 6: because I think he will have that will have a
Speaker 6: different role than yesterdydditional fullback, right, He'll get some carries
Speaker 6: in there too. I think now this running back room
Speaker 6: is starting to kind of I'm starting to get an
Speaker 6: image in my mind of what it can be and
Speaker 6: how it could possibly work. Again, everything has to work out.
Speaker 6: Like you don't have a lot of room for air here.
Speaker 6: But if everything works out, I'm starting to get a
Speaker 6: vision for what it can be.
Speaker 11: If you if you told me it was Rico Dabdele
Speaker 11: Hunter lipke In Turpen mixed in. I think I can
Speaker 11: find a way to run the football. Yeah, I think
Speaker 11: I can. But again, it has to be about the
Speaker 11: tight ends and it has to be the you know,
Speaker 11: how things play out because I completely trust Smith and
Speaker 11: I trust Martin Steele. You know, we got to you know,
Speaker 11: he's trying to work his way back into things. But
Speaker 11: they've got to get it. They've got to have some
Speaker 11: better point of attack blocking from these Titans. They got
Speaker 11: to figure out somebody that can that can handle that role.
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Speaker 4: We got a few minutes here before the show ends.
Speaker 6: So I did want to get some updates on some
Speaker 6: of the guys that are coming back from injury. There
Speaker 6: were there were two in particular that last season I thought,
Speaker 6: or last preseason, I thought, we're turning a lot of heads.
Speaker 6: They both had a c L injuries. They both missed
Speaker 6: the season. They're back now and.
Speaker 4: Practicing really from the beginning of camp. They've been out there.
Speaker 6: Let's talk a little bit about what you guys have
Speaker 6: seen from Marvin Overshown and from John Stevens.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll start with h I'll start with John Stevens.
Speaker 3: He's bigger. Have you not seen anything.
Speaker 7: O I have seen from Overshaw? I just figured out
Speaker 7: lest you have overshown there down.
Speaker 3: There if you want, because yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 8: I'll take both. I'll start with John Stevens junior. He's
Speaker 8: he's definitely bigger. And that was the first thing we
Speaker 8: saw whenever he started to get on uh the chords
Speaker 8: with h with Britt Brown during mini camp and we
Speaker 8: see him out there on the field and it's like, goodness,
Speaker 8: who's that.
Speaker 7: It's like, oh, it's John Stevens. Like he's he's just bigger.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 8: We were able to talk to him a couple of
Speaker 8: weeks ago twelve thirteen pounds of added mass that he's added,
Speaker 8: So he's starting to factor into that tight end position
Speaker 8: a little bit more rather than you know, the receiver
Speaker 8: experience that he had from college at Louisiana Lafayette. But
Speaker 8: the thing with him, he's having the drops. He's a
Speaker 8: little bit out here at camp. That being said, you
Speaker 8: still see the route tree on display. You still see
Speaker 8: his a bill to be a receiving tight end at
Speaker 8: the end of the day. I think these preseason games
Speaker 8: will be really big for him at the at the
Speaker 8: very end of it, because if he can show that
Speaker 8: he has some point of attackability, not necessarily the best
Speaker 8: on the roster, but some point of attackability, and he
Speaker 8: can pair that with you know, a three four five
Speaker 8: catch game and connect with Cooper Rush, connect with Trey Lance,
Speaker 8: then I think he ends up finding a roster spot
Speaker 8: I do.
Speaker 7: And then with Demarvin Overshown, man, he's like a bat
Speaker 7: out of hell.
Speaker 8: I mean every time that he's hitting the field, he's
Speaker 8: trying to go one percent. And it was funny because
Speaker 8: after the first day that he hit the field, Mike
Speaker 8: McCarthy was like, yeah, he maybe went a little bit
Speaker 8: too hard as GPS numbers and analytics data came back
Speaker 8: a little too high than we want. So from me,
Speaker 8: what I see from him, I see I see communication.
Speaker 8: I see him playing different roles. Even when Eric Kendricks
Speaker 8: has been out of practice, He's been asked to do
Speaker 8: a couple of different things and he's shined in those roles.
Speaker 8: I think him and Marrius Luifou are gonna be a
Speaker 8: really fun duo as time goes on. And that's not
Speaker 8: to factor out DeMont Clark because I think he's a
Speaker 8: part of that young group as well. But on that
Speaker 8: same token, Overshown, I think he has that youth that
Speaker 8: he just attacks the field with and that's really great
Speaker 8: to see coming off of a torn acl he still
Speaker 8: has that attackability and I think that's going to translate
Speaker 8: onto the field on Sunday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, real quick, when you mentioned demon Clark. I think
Speaker 6: it's all of us probably are like you think of
Speaker 6: him and you think veteran. Yeah, he's a young guy,
Speaker 6: I mean really, and he came into the NFL already injured,
Speaker 6: came back from injury much fascinating at the spot, Like
Speaker 6: he is just a young I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if he was going to play again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Mean he is a young guy, and I'm very excited
Speaker 6: about him just because of the things I'm seeing out here,
Speaker 6: but more importantly just thinking about the fact he's still
Speaker 6: got a long runway.
Speaker 4: He really does.
Speaker 8: He He had availability the other day, I believe it
Speaker 8: was on Monday, and I asked him. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 8: you had these this veteran in the room and Eric Kendricks.
Speaker 8: That's really helped bringing you along. It's a great mentor
Speaker 8: for you. But at the same time, there's so many
Speaker 8: young guys in the room that you're kind of having
Speaker 8: a mentor and help, you know, kind of teach the
Speaker 8: cowboy way in a way. I was like, do you
Speaker 8: kind of feel like the middle child in the room,
Speaker 8: And he was like, yeah.
Speaker 10: I actually do.
Speaker 7: That's actually yeah.
Speaker 8: So he's the guy that I think can benefit from
Speaker 8: both areas of it. He can benefit from learning from kindricks,
Speaker 8: he can benefit from teaching these young guys.
Speaker 9: So with overshown for me, you know when okay, he
Speaker 9: was a rookie last year. You know when if there's
Speaker 9: a guy that's a rookie that get hurt they come back,
Speaker 9: there's still the lack of experience there. They're still like, Okay,
Speaker 9: this is gonna be the one year, two year player
Speaker 9: type of deal. But with him, you can tell that
Speaker 9: he has done the work despite of him being injured
Speaker 9: and out all this time, you can tell he's been studying.
Speaker 10: He has not missed a beat.
Speaker 9: I thought it would take some time for him to
Speaker 9: slowly start transitioning back into the groove and all of that.
Speaker 9: But no, he looks like he was up there last year.
Speaker 9: Like he doesn't look like he just came back from
Speaker 9: an injury. He looks great. His attitude, it's amazing. I
Speaker 9: love you you guys know. I always talk about energy
Speaker 9: and by and all that. He got all the right
Speaker 9: vives and all the right attitude. So I'm super super
Speaker 9: excited to see him playing actual football in a real
Speaker 9: game outside of practice. And then for John Stevens, he's
Speaker 9: a guy that caught many many eyes last training camp
Speaker 9: and we were all excited. Very unfortunate injury, but similar
Speaker 9: to what you were mentioning, Nick, I mean to me
Speaker 9: right now, I haven't seen a whole lot from him,
Speaker 9: so still I think mentally the injury may be kind
Speaker 9: of affecting him a little bit more than with overshown.
Speaker 9: But I think he's gonna put in the work and
Speaker 9: I'm excited as well to see him in the preseason.
Speaker 9: I think he has the talent, but he's just gonna
Speaker 9: take him maybe a little bit longer.
Speaker 8: I'm also trying to call back to last preseason and
Speaker 8: last training camp when it came to John Stevens Junior,
Speaker 8: and I don't feel like we really started talking about
Speaker 8: him until about this point.
Speaker 11: That's where I'm at right now, because you're right about
Speaker 11: when you watch him run the routes, you can see
Speaker 11: that he's getting confidence and his knee, the ability to
Speaker 11: get up the field, sink, to go to the outside
Speaker 11: to break and all that for a big, tall guy.
Speaker 11: He does play with some bend. The concentration drops bother.
Speaker 3: Me a little bit with this guy.
Speaker 11: But I kind of felt like last year that we
Speaker 11: were talking about him. You know, like this now we're
Speaker 11: kind of like, okay, we's kind of here right now.
Speaker 11: And so you know, but these these guys that have
Speaker 11: come back from these knee injuries, it seems like it
Speaker 11: has taken them some time.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's something we should worry about too, with Digs
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 11: Yea, you know that it wasn't it, Oh, Steal Pollard,
Speaker 11: all these guys that came back from knee and problems,
Speaker 11: injury problems, it took them a little bit time to
Speaker 11: get going, just.
Speaker 4: Them guys around the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like we just immediately think, yeah,
Speaker 3: Diggs is gonna be an.
Speaker 11: All, you know, and you're like, oh, he needs to
Speaker 11: practice a little bit out here today.
Speaker 3: You know. But I with Stevens, I could see it.
Speaker 11: I can see it, and I'm looking forward to him
Speaker 11: in these preseason games and stuff. Over I like what
Speaker 11: you guys are saying about overshown. I'm kind of waiting
Speaker 11: for him to really cut it loose.
Speaker 3: He could be. He could be just.
Speaker 11: As disruptive if as Michael Parson's is in a practice.
Speaker 11: You know, he could be that kind of guy. There's
Speaker 11: been some times where I was kind of like when
Speaker 11: he's on the field, I'm thinking, Okay, he's just gonna
Speaker 11: you can watch some nine on seven stuff and he'll
Speaker 11: beat some blocks and like, okay. But then you get
Speaker 11: in the team and I don't feel like I see
Speaker 11: him in the teamwork as much doing those things I
Speaker 11: do see him, So I think they're kind of trying
Speaker 11: to get him going again. Yeah, he could play six
Speaker 11: plays and make three tackles. That's the kind of ability
Speaker 11: he has out here. And so I you know, I've
Speaker 11: noticed Lufile a lot, I've noticed Clark a lot. I've
Speaker 11: even you know, we talk about Willie Harvey, I've noticed him.
Speaker 11: I mean, there's guys you're noticing, and I just I'm
Speaker 11: just waiting for that time where I'm watching I'm watching
Speaker 11: team and it might be in this Rams scrimmage coming up.
Speaker 3: He's just flying downhill and making every single play.
Speaker 11: But he's he is a really really He's helped himself
Speaker 11: coming back from the injury with his physical conditioning and
Speaker 11: that's made a big difference.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the big thing for him is he
Speaker 6: does have the ability, the luxury of being able to
Speaker 6: kind of ease back in right.
Speaker 4: I think that the drafting of Leaphile. I think you're
Speaker 4: right seeing some things from him.
Speaker 6: I think Damon Clark is having as good a camp
Speaker 6: out here as almost anybody. So I think with him
Speaker 6: and then obviously bringing in Eric Kendricks, I think you've
Speaker 6: got guys that give Overshowing a little bit more of
Speaker 6: a runway to be able to get himself ready and
Speaker 6: to ease back into this thing. They're not counting on
Speaker 6: him necessarily to jump in and immediately be the top
Speaker 6: line guy here. He's got some time, he's got some
Speaker 6: ability to be able to work and work into it.
Speaker 4: All right, we appreciate you, guys. Jonna's so we are
Speaker 4: back on Friday.
Speaker 6: A good thing about Friday is we will be able
Speaker 6: to tell you everything that happened from the Cowboys Rams practice.
Speaker 6: Make sure you check out all of our coverage on
Speaker 6: Thursday as well. We're gonna do lots of training camp live.
Speaker 6: We're gonna have the understanding right now is we're going
Speaker 6: to have two different film crews on opposite sides of
Speaker 6: the field covering both parts of practice, so you'll get
Speaker 6: lots of insights on what's going on there till then.
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