1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: Cowboys, Let's go. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? Yes? 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 4: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 5: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 5: Were on right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Nick Harris, 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 5: and Derek Eagleton. 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, August seventh, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 6: episode fourteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 6: live from ox Dard, California. 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: We are rolling through training camp. Actually today is the midpoint. 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 6: It is exactly halfway between the time we arrived and 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 6: the time that we will leave. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 4: So we're we're moving through this thing. 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 6: And Cowboys actually get started with their preseason this weekend. 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 6: So let's start getting a little more interesting rather than 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 6: just kind of being Groundhog's day around here in Oxnard. 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 4: We are presented by LG. 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 6: LG is the world's number one O led TV brand 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 6: for eleven years in counting see why at LG dot 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 6: com Ford slash O led Evo. 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: All right, here's we're gonna do today. 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 6: We're going to first start with some transactions at the 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 6: Cowboys made and right on, que we got our guys 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 6: out here making sure. 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: And make you're gonna park it right there. 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 6: They are making sure that these players have a good 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 6: field yes to be able to practice. I had someone 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 6: on Twitter asked me, you know, why are you gonna 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 6: tell them to stop it? 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, man, we are not the priority. Podcast 34 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: is not the priority. 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 6: Having these guys on a field where we don't have 36 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 6: a CLS getting busted every day is the priority. 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: So do what you need to do. We'll figure it out, 38 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: all right. But here's what we're gonna talk about. Some 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: transactions today the Cowboys made. 40 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 6: We'll get into some practice observations, some things you guys 41 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 6: have seen over the last couple of practices, and then 42 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 6: we'll talk a little bit. 43 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: About a couple different things. 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 6: I have a couple different topics, one of them being 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 6: the safety position. I think as one position we have 46 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 6: not spent a lot of time talking about. So I 47 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 6: want to dive into that a little bit at some 48 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 6: point in today's show. 49 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: Let's start with transactions. 50 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 6: Yesterday Cowboys signed three players and they move Ceedee Lamb 51 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 6: to revert reserved did not report my assumption. 52 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 4: Is that was more of just a move. 53 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 6: You needed a roster spot, you make the move not 54 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 6: necessarily indicative of anything going on with contract. 55 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: Is that how you guys read it? 56 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 7: Yeah, I see it that way. 57 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 8: I mean it could if they felt like a CD 58 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 8: Lamb deal could get done by the end of the week, 59 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 8: then maybe they don't make that kind of move. But 60 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 8: this is starting to trend more towards a thing that 61 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 8: I feel like happens by the end of camp. And 62 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 8: if that's the case, and that's one extra body that 63 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 8: they could have here at training camp, and so that's 64 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 8: what they do. They wanted to bring in three guys 65 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 8: on the defensive side of the ball. They were able 66 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 8: to do that yesterday by moving Lamb, so that did 67 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 8: not report lists. I mean, if you think about it, 68 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 8: this is something they could have done maybe at the 69 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 8: beginning of camp, but you know, with the way the 70 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 8: negotiations are going on, it seems that the team is 71 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 8: comfortable pushing that out and maybe if he doesn't return 72 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 8: until the camp is over, then they're okay with doing that. 73 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 9: I'm sorry to get antsy, because yes, this move doesn't 74 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 9: mean anything in the sense of like, yeah, and if 75 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 9: he was just signed today or whatever, they'll bring him 76 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 9: in and they're gonna make a spot for him and 77 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 9: room from him, obviously, But at the same time, it's like, oh, okay, well, 78 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 9: I guess it's not happening today or maybe not tomorrow, 79 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 9: or maybe not this weekend because you do need the bodies. 80 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 9: But it's uh, we thought it was gonna happen last week, 81 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 9: I felt like, and it's still. People keep asking on 82 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 9: on Twitter and everything. I haven't heard anything. I don't 83 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 9: think you guys have unless y'all did last night at 84 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 9: the party. 85 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 7: I don't know what I'm talking about. 86 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 10: It's up school, the insights. 87 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 9: Come on, bring but the fans one on the show, Brian, 88 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 9: have you heard anything? 89 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: I'm with this. I was at the party last night. 90 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. 91 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 11: When you start needing to worry is when it turns 92 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 11: into game checks because the way the rules fall down, 93 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 11: you know, if you look at what Lamb makes, he 94 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 11: could lose a million dollars a game, and so all 95 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 11: of a sudden, now you start missing games. Right now, 96 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 11: you're in that phase where you're you know you're getting fined, 97 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 11: but they can all rescind the fines. We talked about 98 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 11: that a bunch, so I think they're working through things 99 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 11: right now. I to me, it's more about, like, you 100 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 11: have an idea what the numbers are going to be 101 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 11: with the parameters, where are they going to fall? How 102 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 11: close can you get him to the top receiver? You 103 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 11: know obviously the cowboys, you know, they don't want to 104 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 11: reset the market. That's something I've always found with Steven 105 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 11: Jones and Adam Pacific and those guys. If you come 106 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 11: in at or under, they seem to work those numbers 107 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 11: a little bit better and it makes them feel better 108 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 11: about what they're doing here. So but when you start 109 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 11: missing games, that's when it becomes I think, very very 110 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 11: serious here. 111 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: So we'll see if that. 112 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 11: I don't think they're gonna get that point, but pack, 113 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 11: you know, this thing has kind of gone on a 114 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 11: little bit longer than I thought it would myself. 115 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, I get the suspicion that it's not necessarily the number. 116 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 4: And when I say the number, the. 117 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 6: Average that he makes for you, I don't think that's 118 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 6: really probably what's driving or slowing this thing down. 119 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is, when you're talking about 120 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: a deal like this. 121 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 6: There's a lot of other factors of how you structure 122 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 6: the deal that will affect cash flow, that will affect 123 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 6: how the Cowboys pay it out, that will affect how 124 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 6: it will hit the salary cap over the next several years. 125 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 6: I suspect that that's probably more what holds this up 126 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 6: because I think everybody sees the writing on the wall, right, 127 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 6: you know what the numbers probably are, just because you 128 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 6: know where he slots relative to other receivers around the NFL. 129 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 6: So I don't you know, it's one of those things 130 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 6: like that's the hard part of this is when you 131 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 6: start getting into the details and making sure all that 132 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 6: can work not only for CD but also for the 133 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 6: Cowboys and what they have to do with Dak, what 134 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 6: they got to do with maybe Micah or presumably Micah 135 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 6: and everybody else that's coming up the next couple of 136 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 6: years when it comes to new deals. 137 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a the heat to me. 138 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 11: When you look at Lamb and people always say, when 139 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 11: you give a guy a contract, are you expecting what 140 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 11: do you expect? 141 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: He's gotten better every year? Yeah? 142 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 11: Yes, so you when you start to look at the 143 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 11: players around the league at wide receiver, he fits in 144 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 11: with those guys. When you start to talk about the 145 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 11: best receivers. He is one of those guys, and he's 146 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 11: gotten better every single year he plays. And you're as 147 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 11: a front officer thinking, if you give a guy a contract, 148 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 11: you don't want it to be two years in and 149 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 11: then all of a sudden we're eating dead money at 150 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 11: the end of it. You want a guy that's making 151 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 11: you know, is every year it's going you know, okay, hey, yes, 152 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 11: he's earning this, he's earning this, and Ceedee Lamb. 153 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: To me, is that type of guy. You know he is. 154 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 11: He is that guy that if you watch him play, 155 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 11: he has gotten better. Now there's people out there and say, well, wait, broadus, 156 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 11: what happened in the playoff games? 157 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: What are we doing? You know? 158 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 11: I mean there's a lot of things in the playoffs 159 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 11: you can talk about this football team. 160 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: It's just not Ceedy Lamb. 161 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 11: But to me, if I'm looking at the front office 162 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 11: aspect of it, I'm looking at it as like, hey, guys, 163 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 11: I it doesn't take. 164 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: Long to call the role. 165 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 11: He's in a room where he's very comparable to guys 166 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 11: playing at a very very high level. 167 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 10: Yeah you know what drives me nuts? Oh? Sorry, what 168 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 10: you I was gonna say just real quick. 169 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 9: What drives me nuts is and again I don't work 170 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 9: in that in that room, like I don't deal with contracts, 171 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 9: so I understand that it can be very, very complex. 172 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 9: But at the same time, you know this was expected. 173 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 9: You know Dak's contract coming up, CDs MIC's coming up next, 174 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 9: You know kind of what those numbers are gonna look like. 175 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 9: Sure you were waiting to see what other players we're 176 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 9: gonna get, but you get it. You have an idea. 177 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 9: So it drives me crazy knowing what they did not 178 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 9: do during the off season because of cap money and 179 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 9: they were unable to do. And then we're sitting here 180 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 9: at this point where it is getting closer and closer 181 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 9: to the season, and I understand how valuable and obviously 182 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 9: they do too, how valuable it is to have CD 183 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 9: out here. We know it's gonna take up a ramp 184 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 9: up period, Nick, you talked about it the other day. 185 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 9: We know that what that's gonna look like, but we 186 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 9: also know how that can hurt the team as far 187 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 9: as like when the season actually starts and all of that. 188 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 10: So it's just it's it's always. 189 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 9: Wild when we're sitting here this far into camp, talking 190 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 9: about contracts because you know what's coming, you know. 191 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think an interesting part too, just the 192 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 8: entire negotiation factors are the little nuances, and those nuances 193 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 8: change every time that another receiver gets done or the 194 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 8: rumors starts swirling about another receiver getting done. 195 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 7: So let's just look at this week, for example. 196 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 8: Let's say they started the week with an understanding of 197 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 8: where both sides were at the negotiation. You know, one 198 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 8: side maybe feels optimistic or upbeat, you know, Stephen Jones 199 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 8: has said a couple of times. And then a deal 200 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 8: like Tyreek Hill gets done where he didn't necessarily add 201 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 8: more money, but he got more guaranteed money than any. 202 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 7: Receiver in NFL history. 203 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 8: So you add that nuance into the entire negotiation, that 204 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 8: adds a whole different thought over right. Yeah, and then 205 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 8: now you're looking at this Brandon Nyuk situation, the Ceedee 206 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 8: Lamb and his representation fall back and say, hey, let's 207 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 8: kind of see what happens here, because there's the Steelers 208 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,239 Speaker 8: that are trying to make an offer for him, the Patriots, 209 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 8: the Browns, and if he were to get traded, then 210 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 8: they signed an extension for him as well. And that's 211 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 8: in the same draft class, and that probably impacts more 212 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 8: than what Tyreek Hill could have impacted as far as 213 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 8: the nuances of the steal. So there's so many different 214 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 8: factors and different players that are involved within these two 215 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 8: sides of the negotiation as well. 216 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 11: Yeah, you got a team in this Brandon Nyuk thing. 217 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 11: And I was talking to my buddies in San Francisco 218 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 11: about it yesterday and they're like, listen, whichever way this goes, 219 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 11: we've got this thing covered, you know, wherever it comes 220 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 11: back in compensation now. And you're right about Brandon Ayuk. 221 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 11: I mean, if he ends up in New England, there's 222 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 11: a team that needs weapons, there's a team to willing 223 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 11: to pay. There's a team that you know again, how 224 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 11: the Hills situation, Ayuk? I mean, everybody's waiting to see 225 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 11: and it seems like maybe you make some steps forward 226 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 11: in this negotiation and then some other thing gets thrown 227 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 11: into the mix that totally will Wait a minute, we 228 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 11: didn't think about this, you know, Well, wait a minute, 229 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 11: we had a deal. Well no, we don't have a 230 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 11: deal now because we just got some new information. So 231 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 11: the front office is chasing a lot of that right now. 232 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 4: It's a hard thing to do to come up with 233 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 4: these deals. 234 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 6: And like I said, there's a lot of different fronts 235 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 6: when you're talking about a deal like this. 236 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 4: It's not just the overall money. 237 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 6: There's a lot of other factors that go into how 238 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 6: it has to be structured. 239 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 4: And I think that's a lot of what's going on here. 240 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about the guys that they signed. 241 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 6: Give me a rundown on linebacker Darius Harris, defensive tackle 242 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 6: Albert Huggins, and linebacker Nick Vigil. 243 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 8: Yeah, if I could, I'll start with Nick Vigil, a 244 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 8: third round pick of the Cincinnati Bengals back in twenty sixteen. 245 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 8: So at the time, current Cowboys defensive run game coordinator 246 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 8: Paul Gunther was the defensive coordinator for the Bengals, and 247 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 8: so he was his coach for two years and then 248 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 8: later in his career, Nick Vigil had a season with 249 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 8: Mike Zimmer up in Minnesota in twenty twenty one, so 250 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 8: a lot of experience and knowledge of the system Nick 251 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 8: Vigil has coming in here. Had started twelve games, accounted 252 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 8: for eighty five tackles in that season with the Vikings. 253 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 8: Back in twenty twenty one, he had an injury that 254 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 8: he battled in twenty twenty two, and it kind of 255 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 8: resorted him to the practice squad of the Vikings in 256 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 8: twenty twenty three. 257 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 7: But nevertheless, it's another guy. 258 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 8: In the building that knows the system could help bring 259 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 8: these young guys up to speed. And then Albert Huggins 260 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 8: six foot three, three hundred and five pound defensive tackle, 261 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 8: and O'Brien will probably talk a little bit more about 262 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 8: his alignment. I feel like he's more fit to be 263 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 8: a three tech, maybe to rotate in with Osa Digizua. 264 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 8: But five seasons he's been in the NFL, five different 265 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 8: teams that he's played for, so this will be team 266 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 8: number six for him. But he started in five games 267 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 8: for the Atlanta Falcons last season and accounted for twenty 268 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 8: two tackles, by far, the most action he's participated in 269 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 8: his NFL career, so coming off of a lot of experience. 270 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 8: He also had a very brief stint with Mike Zimmer 271 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 8: in Minnesota back in twenty twenty on the practice squad, 272 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 8: and then Darius Harris. He spent four season with the 273 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 8: Kansas City Chiefs, undrafted linebacker out of Middle Tennessee State 274 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 8: in twenty nineteen, he participated in thirty three games. His 275 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 8: best season came at twenty twenty two. He played in 276 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 8: all seventeen games and racked up forty three tackles. So 277 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 8: pretty good to have a two time Super Bowl chap 278 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 8: on your roster as well. 279 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do this real quick, Brian, I want to 280 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 6: take the break and come back. I'm how Brian, give 281 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 6: us a gattery report on these three guys. I know 282 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 6: you've watched all three. 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All right, so, Brian, as we were going 348 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 6: to break, we had mentioned the three guys that the 349 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 6: Cowboys signed. 350 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 4: Give us some scatter reports on these players. 351 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 11: Yeah, they'll start with Virgil and he's kind of been 352 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 11: a guy that's when you watch him play, maybe a 353 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 11: career special teams guy with you know, with his mainly 354 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 11: that's how he's always kind of stayed on teams. 355 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: First off, I was a little bit surprised that they. 356 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 11: Were bringing in linebackers. I don't know how you guys feel. 357 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 11: Watching practice, I kind of felt like that this room 358 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 11: has shown up at linebacker a little bit. And I 359 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 11: it to me, you know, maybe it might be like 360 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 11: they they not get with the one out of these 361 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 11: guys special teams wise, his bones kind of because if 362 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 11: you look at it, Virgil and you also look at Harris, 363 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 11: kind of guys that play a lot of special teams 364 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 11: and play on all different special teams. So maybe it's like, Okay, 365 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 11: guys that know what we're going to do, how we're 366 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 11: going to play, how we're going to line up, But 367 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 11: give you that ability to block, that the return ability 368 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 11: and all that. 369 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: So can I throw this out just a question for you. 370 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 6: You think maybe it's partially because they like a lot 371 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 6: of their linebackers, a lot of them. They may say, 372 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 6: we don't necessarily want to play them in the preseason. 373 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: Somebody like Overshowing. 374 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 6: You would think it's got to be a lot in 375 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 6: the preseason, but because of the injury, they may not, 376 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 6: and they're like, we need bodies to be able to 377 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 6: play these games. 378 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 11: I'm interested to ask because it's not an area if 379 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 11: you're bringing in defensive tackle, I understand, you know, if 380 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 11: they were bringing secondary help, I would go why you know? 381 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: Or the linebacker help? Why? 382 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 11: So that's what you do today is you try and 383 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 11: go up and ask somebody like, Okay, what what was 384 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 11: the thought about you know, the linebackers here? 385 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: And to your point, I don't have. 386 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 11: A great answer for you because that's not a position 387 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 11: I would have attacked. I would have thought, Okay, I've 388 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 11: got some young guys here, you know, I want to 389 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 11: see them play. But you know, I don't know. That's 390 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 11: it was surprising to me. But when you start to 391 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 11: talk about with with Virgil and what he's done, he 392 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 11: plays really as an inside linebacker, and that's more than 393 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 11: you know. You think, oh, well, is he a Mike 394 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 11: or is he a Will Sam? More of a Sam linebacker. 395 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 11: The thing about him is he's an aware player. He's 396 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 11: a good tackler in open space. There were a couple 397 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 11: of times when the ball got thrown and he got 398 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 11: putting coverage and the ball went to the outside and 399 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 11: it was it was like a third down play, third 400 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 11: and short, and they throw it to the flat to 401 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 11: the back and he immediately makes the tackle for no 402 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 11: gain and now you're like off the field. So that 403 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 11: part of it was when you look at him, you 404 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 11: can put him in coverage. He's an aware player. He 405 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 11: uses his hands well from what I saw, you know, 406 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 11: getting rid of blockers or a couple of times where 407 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 11: guys came on him, he was able to engage and 408 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 11: then get rid of the guy and then still find 409 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 11: the football. I'd like to see a little bit better 410 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 11: burst from him. There were some times where you could 411 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 11: tell that everybody else was moving and he was moving, 412 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 11: but there wasn't that like you'll see these guys out here, 413 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 11: Like if you watch Clark and those guys, they cover. 414 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: Some ground when they're running to chase the football. 415 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 11: So i'd like to see a little bit better burst 416 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 11: from him that way. But the strike as a tackler's good. 417 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 11: I don't see a lot of quickness with the guy, 418 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 11: which is again something you see out here with these linebackers. 419 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 11: There is some guys that can run. There's some like 420 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 11: when they read it, they go. He's a little bit 421 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 11: of a guy that when he sees it he's gonna go. 422 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 3: But I think that's his strength right now. 423 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 11: Is his awareness to be able to play the position 424 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 11: and get over and then make the play. But he 425 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 11: is a really really good tackle or tackler. I think 426 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 11: he's going to be a rotational linebacker forim here and 427 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 11: the special team. 428 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: Stuff that I mentioned. So, and then you get to 429 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: Darius Harris. 430 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 11: I watched him quite a bit on special teams as well, 431 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 11: just because I was curious about him. He's got some 432 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 11: size to him, He's got some quickness off the ball, 433 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 11: unlike with what you have with Virgil there. I'd like 434 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 11: to see him adjust a little bit better in space. 435 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 11: That was something that when you watch him play, he's 436 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 11: kind of a bigger guy, and it was like he 437 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 11: was not unsure, but it was like the ball was 438 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 11: here and he was having you and then oh, come back, 439 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 11: but there was not that quick processing to it. It 440 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 11: was like, Oh, there it is now. I gotta think, 441 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 11: you know, I like to see him play a little 442 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 11: bit better that way. I think it's straight ahead speed 443 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 11: is really good. The lateral stuff not so much, I 444 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 11: think all but he's one of those guys that if 445 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 11: it's attacking, he's going to be good that way with it. 446 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 11: So special teams rotational linebacker kind of fits into what 447 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 11: you're doing without the It's got the size, but doesn't 448 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 11: have the quickness or the burst that these guys have 449 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 11: right now. Albert Huggins I mentioned I watched the games 450 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 11: where he was playing the defensive tackle. The Packers game 451 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 11: is one of the games he plays both as a 452 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 11: nose and as a three technique. You're right, Nick, I 453 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 11: think he's a little bit, probably more of a three 454 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 11: than this, but he does have some lateral slide to 455 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 11: his game. 456 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: You see him. 457 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 11: Maybe they're trying to kind of figure out a backup 458 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 11: spot for OsO Diggizuwa out here. 459 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: You know, is it Golston? 460 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 11: If maybe if all of a sudden Huggins works out, 461 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 11: you can move Golston maybe to another spot. So that 462 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 11: might be what we're trying to do here. But he 463 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 11: does have quickness, he'll hold the point of attack. There's 464 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 11: some squareness to his game. And when I say squareness, 465 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 11: he'll take on. You don't see his he's wearing number 466 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 11: ninety four. You didn't see him get turned or moved 467 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 11: out of the hole that way. So but you know 468 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 11: there were times where they they kind of were uh 469 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 11: where he was able to get down the line of scrimmage. 470 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 11: He beat the cutoff blocks, the reach blocks. You know, 471 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 11: he's he's he can get kind of trapped in one area. 472 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 11: So you know, you want to see maybe a little 473 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 11: bit better extend and then a little bit better of 474 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 11: getting rid. 475 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: Of the guy. 476 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 11: But you see him upfield and he wins upfield. I'd 477 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 11: like to see a little bit more better awareness of 478 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 11: the down block, like he would engage and then he 479 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 11: wouldn't feel the block coming. 480 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: A lot of these guys could feel that and know 481 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: that and. 482 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 11: Work around that block, and he kind of got blocked 483 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 11: when it was that down block. 484 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 3: He was kind of taking that on. 485 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 11: And I'm like, man, how many times are you gonna 486 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 11: get hit in the side before you realize they're down 487 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 11: blocking you in this game? So I think I think 488 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 11: he'll I think he'll be a good addition to trying 489 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 11: to figure out can he play a little one and 490 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 11: help him? 491 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: But can he play that three and maybe be. 492 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 11: Behind Osa and then allow like I said, allows them 493 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 11: to move golst into another spot. 494 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 4: That's good stuff. All right, Let's let's move on. 495 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 6: Let's get some practice notes over the last couple practices. 496 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 6: Let's go down the line. Tell me some things that 497 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 6: you notice, some things jumped out of em. Let's start 498 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 6: with you. 499 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 10: Well, can I go on a quick rant, real fun. 500 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 6: Absolutely, Like I'm gonna say, Noah, like you're about my 501 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 6: scouting reports? 502 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 9: No, but yeah, so every year, I you know, we 503 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 9: get excited before the season starts and blah blah blah. 504 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 9: But you know, being there done that. In my case, 505 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 9: I've learned my lesson type of thing. 506 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm not gonna get. 507 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 9: Excited about nothing. Y'all better show me in the playoffs 508 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 9: not doing. 509 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 10: This, you know. 510 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 9: So, But the Cowboys tend to have some spark that 511 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 9: they work their magic, and I'm a victim again that 512 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 9: I'm about to jump on the roller coaster. But there's 513 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 9: something that is really really exciting. The other day on 514 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 9: the other show, Ryan, you mentioned Mike Zimmer and what 515 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 9: he's been doing with the defense. To me, the more 516 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 9: and more I watch, the more and more excited I 517 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 9: get because it's such a different look than what we 518 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 9: are used to seeing with the Cowboys defense in recent years. 519 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 10: The way that he's. 520 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 9: Disguising guys, you know, plays and and just the trick 521 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 9: aspect where you would watch other teams do things like 522 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 9: that and we're like, why can't we ever have that? 523 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 10: Why can't we ever Like I'm missing I. 524 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 9: Can't think of the word, but just tricking the eye. 525 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 10: But the point is what. 526 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 9: He's what he's doing, what he's doing right now with 527 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 9: all of that, it's such a different look. I think 528 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 9: it's gonna be very very exciting for fans to see, 529 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 9: for us to watch this season, and it's allowing guys 530 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 9: to be positioned better to allow them to be more 531 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 9: explosive and more creative and like get to the place 532 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 9: where they need to be and I think the defense 533 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 9: yesterday's practice, they had a really good day. Everything that 534 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 9: they did, they won. In my opinion, they won the day. 535 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 9: They were the better group yesterday and everyone's looking it's 536 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 9: just exciting. And I got a chance to talk to 537 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 9: Trevon Diggs and I asked him, Hey, you've been standing 538 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 9: on the sidelines for quite a while. Who has a 539 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 9: guy who's a guy that's been standing out to you? 540 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 9: And he mentioned killing Carson. He's a guy that he's like. 541 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 9: He he's really quick, very very good with his footwork, 542 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 9: his handwork, and he's when you watch him on field, 543 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 9: aside from what happens on here, when you go into 544 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 9: the film room and start watching what he's doing, he's 545 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 9: a guy to look forw He's been. 546 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 10: Very very impressive. 547 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna piggyback off that with another corner that 548 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 8: I think is just having a phenomenal camp, and that's 549 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis. 550 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 3: Got darn it man. 551 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 8: Looking at what he's been able to do over the 552 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 8: course of these these couple of weeks. Men, he's been phenomenal. 553 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 8: And I think that there's a couple of things that 554 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 8: play into that. A it's different than last camp, for 555 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 8: him in the sense that he's been healthy the whole offseason. 556 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 8: He's been able to improve this whole offseason instead of Hey, 557 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 8: trying to get healthy and trying to make it in 558 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 8: time for training camp. There's a different mindset that I 559 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 8: think plays into that. And then you know last year 560 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 8: he was just getting comfortable being on the field again 561 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 8: after that List Frank injury to his foot that was 562 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 8: career threatening at one point. But you see that confidence 563 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 8: not only in his body but with his ability. The 564 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 8: way he ended the season last year. The Detroit game 565 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 8: really sticks out to me as a game that he 566 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 8: really stood out in. But just yesterday diving interception of 567 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 8: Dak Prescott, it was the first one that Dak has 568 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 8: thrown since they've been in pads, and then he had 569 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 8: another one in the corner of the end zone that 570 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 8: he went up with one hand and could have brought 571 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 8: it down but just missed it. 572 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 7: He's he's all over the place. 573 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 8: You see the physicality that's starting to come back with 574 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis, and that's what we saw at the end 575 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 8: of the year last year. So he's just taking where 576 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 8: he left off in twenty twenty three and moving it 577 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 8: right into twenty twenty four. 578 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 7: Really loved that. 579 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 8: And then one other thing that I'll point out from 580 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 8: yesterday's practice specifically is they did a session with a 581 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 8: goal line work and they were throwing in a different 582 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 8: array of running backs trying to get those one two 583 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 8: yards to get into the end zone, and the defense 584 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 8: was a stone wall. I think they got him three 585 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 8: consecutive reps, which was really huge for that defensive unit, 586 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 8: and you could see, like whenever they were making those stops, 587 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 8: you could see how much confidence was being built on 588 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 8: that defensive side of the ball. So if you're worried 589 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 8: about interior defensive line like I am, then that's definitely 590 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 8: a that's definitely a positive mark you could look at. 591 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 3: I'll tell you you're absolutely right about Jordan Lewis defensive 592 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: holding penalty. We had the reference here, we'll. 593 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 17: Take our ones where we get um and I I 594 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 17: was trying to think who was going to get the 595 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 17: first defensive holding penalty because these guys will I thought 596 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 17: it was a good day over And I think you're 597 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 17: absolute right about Jordan. 598 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 11: Lewis and the player personnel trailer over there, they're watching 599 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 11: film at night and they're trying to figure out how 600 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 11: to get. 601 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: Jalen Cropper on this team is what they're trying to do. 602 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 11: He's making them a wide receiver in that room. Have 603 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 11: to think about how many receivers are we going to carry? 604 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 11: Are we going to be able to carry six? 605 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: Do we carry five? How is this going to play out? 606 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 11: He continues to make play after play, and it doesn't 607 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 11: matter what group he could run with. The ones he 608 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 11: makes place, he runs with, the twos he makes place, 609 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 11: he runs with, the threes, he makes plays. It just 610 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 11: seems like every time that you hear bones fossil, it's 611 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 11: third and four, it's fourth and three, they throw the 612 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 11: ball to sixteen and it's a first down, or they 613 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 11: get down in tight red zone and. 614 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: He's able to separate. 615 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 11: He is making it very difficult keep an eye on him, 616 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 11: especially this weekend, if it turns into or maybe all 617 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 11: the preseason games. Does he function on special teams because 618 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 11: all of a sudden, if you see and you've noticed 619 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 11: number sixteen, he's gonna have to make his team. 620 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: Being a complete guy. 621 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 11: I don't think he could just be catch your guy 622 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 11: or you know, but he is making that group over 623 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 11: there in that personnel trailer. 624 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: Have to think about keeping a spot on this roster 625 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: for him. 626 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 6: I'll throw out a name, and it's a guy that's 627 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 6: a name that everybody knows, and quite frankly, I just 628 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 6: over the last two practices I've started noticing him more. 629 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 4: It's Zeke Elliott. 630 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 6: He is not a guy obviously at running back. It's 631 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 6: hard at training training camp to really see things from 632 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 6: running backs, even linebackers that really impress me because the 633 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 6: primary function of both of their jobs don't happen out here. 634 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 6: Running Backs don't break tackles out here. Linebackers don't linebackers 635 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 6: don't tackle out here, so you're not gonna really find 636 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 6: out a lot about them until you get into the 637 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 6: real games. But what I've seen from Zeke that made 638 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 6: me a little more excited is he has a little 639 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 6: more whig then I think I've I thought he still 640 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 6: had at this point in his career. I thought of 641 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 6: him more as just kind of that guy who was 642 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 6: kind of find the whole, kind of get into it. 643 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: But he's been out here, he's been a little more. 644 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 6: Spry over the last couple of practices, and that that 645 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 6: made me kind of it didn't pique my interest to 646 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 6: make me see just you know where I think he's 647 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 6: gonna gonna be and what he can possibly be for 648 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 6: this team this season. He did have, as we said, 649 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 6: we keep saying, he had a better second half of 650 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 6: the year last year than the first half, and and 651 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 6: could just be a situation where you really can get 652 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 6: some really good production out of Zeke Elliott. I'm starting 653 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 6: to get a little more excited about that at this point, 654 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 6: just seeing some of the things I've seen out here 655 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 6: in last. 656 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 11: Hey, Rico Dabble is backing up either now, I mean 657 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 11: backing up in a way of like, Okay, Zeke, it's 658 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 11: all yours. I think that Rico is trying to put 659 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 11: and I know that they're they're working Zeke, and you're 660 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 11: mentioned a couple of days you are seeing. I felt 661 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 11: like in the early practices. 662 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 3: We really weren't seeing Zeke. 663 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 11: I agree, yeah, And it's I remember Todd Arch and 664 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 11: I were talking like is he practicing? And I'm like, 665 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 11: I don't feel like he is, But you are seeing. 666 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 11: You're right, you are seeing a little bit more from him, 667 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 11: uh in that regard. But I I don't think Rico 668 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 11: Dawdell is going to just give him this job. They'll 669 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 11: probably say okay, you could be the guy. You know, 670 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 11: they're probably the front office, Okay, you're Zeke, You're gonna 671 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 11: But Rico Dawdell is making it interesting too as well 672 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 11: that the way he's kind of playing with some complete 673 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 11: the running ability to catching the ball and then some 674 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 11: of the blitz pick up stuff as well. 675 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 8: And I think regardless of how the depth chart stacks up, 676 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 8: Rico Dawdell's going to have more opportunities than he had 677 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 8: last year. 678 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's just based. 679 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: On his health. 680 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 11: Is always the question that if you know, if you 681 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 11: if you told me this is going to sound crazy, 682 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 11: you told me he was going to be healthy for 683 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 11: seventeen weeks. 684 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 3: He's a better player right now than Ezekiel Elliott. 685 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 4: I agree with that. 686 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 3: I think the scene he is, he is a better 687 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: player right now. 688 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 11: If you said, okay, we are going to have to 689 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 11: run the football and and you know, and I I'm 690 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 11: not ever against putting the things in Dak Prescott's hands 691 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 11: because he was a you know what you saw last year. 692 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 11: I don't want him throwing the ball forty five times 693 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 11: a game. But I will say this though, the guy 694 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 11: that seems to give me a little bit of like, Okay, 695 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 11: maybe this running game can average four yards four and 696 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 11: a half yards and carry. I kind of feel like 697 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 11: that's Rico Daddle right now. And I but I this 698 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 11: room is still got me a little bit. Is there 699 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 11: somebody else? Is there somebody else out there? 700 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 8: I still feel like they just have three RB twos 701 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 8: that they're just gonna throw on. 702 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 11: I don't disagree with you on that, but I think 703 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 11: that I think the thing with Rico Daddle, if I 704 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 11: didn't have this injury concern in my head, I would 705 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 11: I would totally say he no, he can, you know, 706 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 11: put the put the put the equipment on the wagon 707 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 11: and let him pull the wagon. 708 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 6: But here's the thing, like I think, if they can 709 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 6: get solid production out of Zeke, which is why I've 710 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 6: been happy with what I've seen these last couple of days, 711 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 6: they can get solid production from Zeke and what you 712 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 6: say about Rico and what they like about Hunter Lipke, 713 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 6: because I think he will have that will have a 714 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 6: different role than yesterdydditional fullback, right, He'll get some carries 715 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 6: in there too. I think now this running back room 716 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 6: is starting to kind of I'm starting to get an 717 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 6: image in my mind of what it can be and 718 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 6: how it could possibly work. Again, everything has to work out. 719 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 6: Like you don't have a lot of room for air here. 720 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 6: But if everything works out, I'm starting to get a 721 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 6: vision for what it can be. 722 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 11: If you if you told me it was Rico Dabdele 723 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 11: Hunter lipke In Turpen mixed in. I think I can 724 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 11: find a way to run the football. Yeah, I think 725 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 11: I can. But again, it has to be about the 726 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 11: tight ends and it has to be the you know, 727 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,959 Speaker 11: how things play out because I completely trust Smith and 728 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 11: I trust Martin Steele. You know, we got to you know, 729 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 11: he's trying to work his way back into things. But 730 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 11: they've got to get it. They've got to have some 731 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 11: better point of attack blocking from these Titans. They got 732 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 11: to figure out somebody that can that can handle that role. 733 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 6: All right, let's go ahead and take our final break. 734 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,479 Speaker 6: We will come back in just a second. 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Why don't you make us some 806 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 6: gumbombo or some chili. 807 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 4: Eat one you one I got. 808 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 3: Which would have anybody allergic to seasoning or anything like that. 809 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 3: We all get. 810 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 7: I eat what you make, all right, Well that's the 811 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 7: only thing. 812 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 3: Okay, pork, welcome back. 813 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 11: Final segment of the show doesn't work. 814 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 4: We got a few minutes here before the show ends. 815 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 6: So I did want to get some updates on some 816 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 6: of the guys that are coming back from injury. There 817 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 6: were there were two in particular that last season I thought, 818 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 6: or last preseason, I thought, we're turning a lot of heads. 819 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 6: They both had a c L injuries. They both missed 820 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 6: the season. They're back now and. 821 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 4: Practicing really from the beginning of camp. They've been out there. 822 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 6: Let's talk a little bit about what you guys have 823 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 6: seen from Marvin Overshown and from John Stevens. 824 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll start with h I'll start with John Stevens. 825 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 3: He's bigger. Have you not seen anything. 826 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 7: O I have seen from Overshaw? I just figured out 827 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 7: lest you have overshown there down. 828 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 3: There if you want, because yeah, yeah, go ahead. 829 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 8: I'll take both. I'll start with John Stevens junior. He's 830 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 8: he's definitely bigger. And that was the first thing we 831 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 8: saw whenever he started to get on uh the chords 832 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 8: with h with Britt Brown during mini camp and we 833 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 8: see him out there on the field and it's like, goodness, 834 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 8: who's that. 835 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 7: It's like, oh, it's John Stevens. Like he's he's just bigger. 836 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 4: Now. 837 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 8: We were able to talk to him a couple of 838 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 8: weeks ago twelve thirteen pounds of added mass that he's added, 839 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 8: So he's starting to factor into that tight end position 840 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 8: a little bit more rather than you know, the receiver 841 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 8: experience that he had from college at Louisiana Lafayette. But 842 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 8: the thing with him, he's having the drops. He's a 843 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 8: little bit out here at camp. That being said, you 844 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 8: still see the route tree on display. You still see 845 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 8: his a bill to be a receiving tight end at 846 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 8: the end of the day. I think these preseason games 847 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 8: will be really big for him at the at the 848 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 8: very end of it, because if he can show that 849 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 8: he has some point of attackability, not necessarily the best 850 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 8: on the roster, but some point of attackability, and he 851 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 8: can pair that with you know, a three four five 852 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 8: catch game and connect with Cooper Rush, connect with Trey Lance, 853 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 8: then I think he ends up finding a roster spot 854 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 8: I do. 855 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 7: And then with Demarvin Overshown, man, he's like a bat 856 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 7: out of hell. 857 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 8: I mean every time that he's hitting the field, he's 858 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 8: trying to go one percent. And it was funny because 859 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 8: after the first day that he hit the field, Mike 860 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 8: McCarthy was like, yeah, he maybe went a little bit 861 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 8: too hard as GPS numbers and analytics data came back 862 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 8: a little too high than we want. So from me, 863 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 8: what I see from him, I see I see communication. 864 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 8: I see him playing different roles. Even when Eric Kendricks 865 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 8: has been out of practice, He's been asked to do 866 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 8: a couple of different things and he's shined in those roles. 867 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 8: I think him and Marrius Luifou are gonna be a 868 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 8: really fun duo as time goes on. And that's not 869 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 8: to factor out DeMont Clark because I think he's a 870 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 8: part of that young group as well. But on that 871 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 8: same token, Overshown, I think he has that youth that 872 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 8: he just attacks the field with and that's really great 873 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 8: to see coming off of a torn acl he still 874 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 8: has that attackability and I think that's going to translate 875 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 8: onto the field on Sunday. 876 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, real quick, when you mentioned demon Clark. I think 877 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 6: it's all of us probably are like you think of 878 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 6: him and you think veteran. Yeah, he's a young guy, 879 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 6: I mean really, and he came into the NFL already injured, 880 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 6: came back from injury much fascinating at the spot, Like 881 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 6: he is just a young I. 882 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 3: Don't know if he was going to play again. 883 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I. 884 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 6: Mean he is a young guy, and I'm very excited 885 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 6: about him just because of the things I'm seeing out here, 886 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 6: but more importantly just thinking about the fact he's still 887 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 6: got a long runway. 888 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: He really does. 889 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 8: He He had availability the other day, I believe it 890 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 8: was on Monday, and I asked him. I was like, Okay, 891 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 8: you had these this veteran in the room and Eric Kendricks. 892 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 8: That's really helped bringing you along. It's a great mentor 893 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 8: for you. But at the same time, there's so many 894 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 8: young guys in the room that you're kind of having 895 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 8: a mentor and help, you know, kind of teach the 896 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 8: cowboy way in a way. I was like, do you 897 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 8: kind of feel like the middle child in the room, 898 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 8: And he was like, yeah. 899 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 10: I actually do. 900 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 7: That's actually yeah. 901 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 8: So he's the guy that I think can benefit from 902 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 8: both areas of it. He can benefit from learning from kindricks, 903 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 8: he can benefit from teaching these young guys. 904 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 9: So with overshown for me, you know when okay, he 905 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 9: was a rookie last year. You know when if there's 906 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 9: a guy that's a rookie that get hurt they come back, 907 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 9: there's still the lack of experience there. They're still like, Okay, 908 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 9: this is gonna be the one year, two year player 909 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 9: type of deal. But with him, you can tell that 910 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 9: he has done the work despite of him being injured 911 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 9: and out all this time, you can tell he's been studying. 912 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 10: He has not missed a beat. 913 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 9: I thought it would take some time for him to 914 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 9: slowly start transitioning back into the groove and all of that. 915 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 9: But no, he looks like he was up there last year. 916 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 9: Like he doesn't look like he just came back from 917 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 9: an injury. He looks great. His attitude, it's amazing. I 918 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 9: love you you guys know. I always talk about energy 919 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 9: and by and all that. He got all the right 920 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 9: vives and all the right attitude. So I'm super super 921 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 9: excited to see him playing actual football in a real 922 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 9: game outside of practice. And then for John Stevens, he's 923 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 9: a guy that caught many many eyes last training camp 924 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 9: and we were all excited. Very unfortunate injury, but similar 925 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 9: to what you were mentioning, Nick, I mean to me 926 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 9: right now, I haven't seen a whole lot from him, 927 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 9: so still I think mentally the injury may be kind 928 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 9: of affecting him a little bit more than with overshown. 929 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 9: But I think he's gonna put in the work and 930 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 9: I'm excited as well to see him in the preseason. 931 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 9: I think he has the talent, but he's just gonna 932 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 9: take him maybe a little bit longer. 933 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 8: I'm also trying to call back to last preseason and 934 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 8: last training camp when it came to John Stevens Junior, 935 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 8: and I don't feel like we really started talking about 936 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 8: him until about this point. 937 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 11: That's where I'm at right now, because you're right about 938 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 11: when you watch him run the routes, you can see 939 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 11: that he's getting confidence and his knee, the ability to 940 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 11: get up the field, sink, to go to the outside 941 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 11: to break and all that for a big, tall guy. 942 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 11: He does play with some bend. The concentration drops bother. 943 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,959 Speaker 3: Me a little bit with this guy. 944 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 11: But I kind of felt like last year that we 945 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 11: were talking about him. You know, like this now we're 946 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 11: kind of like, okay, we's kind of here right now. 947 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 11: And so you know, but these these guys that have 948 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 11: come back from these knee injuries, it seems like it 949 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 11: has taken them some time. 950 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 3: Maybe that's something we should worry about too, with Digs 951 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 3: a little bit. 952 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 11: Yea, you know that it wasn't it, Oh, Steal Pollard, 953 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 11: all these guys that came back from knee and problems, 954 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 11: injury problems, it took them a little bit time to 955 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 11: get going, just. 956 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 4: Them guys around the league. 957 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel like we just immediately think, yeah, 958 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 3: Diggs is gonna be an. 959 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 11: All, you know, and you're like, oh, he needs to 960 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 11: practice a little bit out here today. 961 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 3: You know. But I with Stevens, I could see it. 962 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 11: I can see it, and I'm looking forward to him 963 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 11: in these preseason games and stuff. Over I like what 964 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 11: you guys are saying about overshown. I'm kind of waiting 965 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 11: for him to really cut it loose. 966 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 3: He could be. He could be just. 967 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 11: As disruptive if as Michael Parson's is in a practice. 968 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 11: You know, he could be that kind of guy. There's 969 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 11: been some times where I was kind of like when 970 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 11: he's on the field, I'm thinking, Okay, he's just gonna 971 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 11: you can watch some nine on seven stuff and he'll 972 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 11: beat some blocks and like, okay. But then you get 973 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 11: in the team and I don't feel like I see 974 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 11: him in the teamwork as much doing those things I 975 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 11: do see him, So I think they're kind of trying 976 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 11: to get him going again. Yeah, he could play six 977 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 11: plays and make three tackles. That's the kind of ability 978 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 11: he has out here. And so I you know, I've 979 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 11: noticed Lufile a lot, I've noticed Clark a lot. I've 980 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 11: even you know, we talk about Willie Harvey, I've noticed him. 981 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 11: I mean, there's guys you're noticing, and I just I'm 982 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 11: just waiting for that time where I'm watching I'm watching 983 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 11: team and it might be in this Rams scrimmage coming up. 984 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 3: He's just flying downhill and making every single play. 985 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 11: But he's he is a really really He's helped himself 986 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 11: coming back from the injury with his physical conditioning and 987 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 11: that's made a big difference. 988 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 3: I think. 989 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the big thing for him is he 990 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 6: does have the ability, the luxury of being able to 991 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 6: kind of ease back in right. 992 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 4: I think that the drafting of Leaphile. I think you're 993 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 4: right seeing some things from him. 994 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,919 Speaker 6: I think Damon Clark is having as good a camp 995 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 6: out here as almost anybody. So I think with him 996 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 6: and then obviously bringing in Eric Kendricks, I think you've 997 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 6: got guys that give Overshowing a little bit more of 998 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 6: a runway to be able to get himself ready and 999 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 6: to ease back into this thing. They're not counting on 1000 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 6: him necessarily to jump in and immediately be the top 1001 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 6: line guy here. He's got some time, he's got some 1002 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 6: ability to be able to work and work into it. 1003 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 4: All right, we appreciate you, guys. Jonna's so we are 1004 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 4: back on Friday. 1005 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 6: A good thing about Friday is we will be able 1006 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 6: to tell you everything that happened from the Cowboys Rams practice. 1007 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 6: Make sure you check out all of our coverage on 1008 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 6: Thursday as well. We're gonna do lots of training camp live. 1009 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 6: We're gonna have the understanding right now is we're going 1010 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 6: to have two different film crews on opposite sides of 1011 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 6: the field covering both parts of practice, so you'll get 1012 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 6: lots of insights on what's going on there till then. 1013 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 6: For Brian brought us Amber Garcia, Nick Harris. I'm Derek Eigleton. 1014 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 6: This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot 1015 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 6: Com Radio. 1016 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 1017 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,280 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.