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Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me of home.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of home in a perilous way to me,

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Speaker 1: but in a way that makes you not want to return. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's all hope the audience all agrees with Ian and

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Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't just torpedo our careers by me

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Speaker 1: making grunt noises, guttural grunts in order to Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: good stuff, good times, welcome back to the show. We

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Speaker 1: episode on the g Man Mixed feelings, you know, ready

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Speaker 1: that's something that should make everyone happy now. Much like

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Speaker 1: In a similar fashion, before we get to the heaven.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, man, it's fine. It's fine. So we ended

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Speaker 3: They're both freedom issues.

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Speaker 1: Oh ironic, you know that's not a that's not a

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Speaker 7: Like so we almost all his other Yeah, his like

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Speaker 1: It's like maybe if he had started trying to go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all those guys are kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: but we do. Yeah, And yeah, Liddy's you know, he's

432
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Speaker 1: not like a fucking historic level talent, but he's not

433
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: bad at this. One fun fact about Liddy's second performance

434
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: on Miami Vice is that the episode plot is like,

435
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: yeah that he's like he's he's funneling. He's a drug dealer, funneling,

436
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: selling drugs to funnel money to contras in Nicaragua, which

437
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: is funny because like that's what happened, right, that's the

438
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: Iran Contra story. But this episode airs a month before

439
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: the first article exposing Iran Contra drops this episode.

440
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: So that's fun.

441
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Speaker 1: And like shit like that. You know, it adds to

442
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: the mystique of g. Gordon Liddy. Obviously, how could that

443
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: not right? That's wild that that happened. That's actually kind

444
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: of crazy. Of course that would improve his kind of reputation.

445
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Is this shadowy figure of American politics and cultural life.

446
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, it creates something out of a man who

447
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: should have buy all right, spent the rest of his

448
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: life living quietly in shame. In nineteen eighty seven, his

449
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: fame is close to it at its peak, and Lyddy

450
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: has what would prove to be the only legitimate and

451
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: verifiable violent encounter of his life. He finally gets into

452
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: a fight that we can prove happened. It is not

453
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Speaker 1: a good time for him. And I'm going to quote

454
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Speaker 1: from an article in the Washington City Paper here. The

455
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: confrontation took place at Lyddia's isolated Fort Washington home on

456
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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, nineteen eighty seven. According to news reports, Lyddia

457
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: discovered a young couple sitting in a pickup truck on

458
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Speaker 1: his property. Armed with a billy club, he approached the

459
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Speaker 1: vehicle and told the mail driver to scram. Words were

460
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: exchanged and the driver at tempted to back over Lyddy.

461
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: When that failed, the driver whipped the truck into a

462
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: U turn and came roaring towards Gordo. Liddy stood his

463
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: ground and was knocked fifteen to twenty feet in the air.

464
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: He suffered a broken arm and rib, a ruptured kidney,

465
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Speaker 1: and a torn knee ligament. That is so funny, like

466
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Speaker 1: he gets he has one encounter. These guys are just

467
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Speaker 1: like making out fucking in a pickup truck, and he

468
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 1: charges at them with a stick, thinking like this, scare

469
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Speaker 1: him on the dangerous g Gorn Liddy with my billy

470
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Speaker 1: club and it just run his ass down, nearly kill

471
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Speaker 1: him again. Not a coward, Not a coward, not good

472
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: at violence, O now. The article goes on to write,

473
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Speaker 1: although he was not able to provide the police with

474
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Speaker 1: either a tag number or description of his assailants, Liddy

475
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: later began intimating in interviews that mafia friends from his

476
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: prison days had identified the couple and would take care

477
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Speaker 1: of of them. This never happened. Lyddy is ashamed that

478
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: he got his ass handed to him and his only

479
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: real fight, and he had to be like, my powerful

480
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: friends will take care of him.

481
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 3: They did.

482
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: You got run over by some teenagers.

483
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

484
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Somewhere out there is a hero. Maybe they're dead by now,

485
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: it's been a while, but somewhere out there I still

486
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: I hope are two heroes who know, like, we hit G.

487
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Gordon Lyddy with the truck. Yeah, right, if you hit G.

488
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: Gordon Lyddy with the truck, reach out to US's over, Yeah, exactly.

489
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: You gotta be fine. I'd argue at self defense. You know,

490
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: come out. We'll put you on behind the bastards. If

491
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: you ran down G. Gordon Lyddy with your truck and

492
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: have any evidence to corroborate it, come on, come on,

493
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: come on over. Folks love to talk to you.

494
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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting to me that the fact that you

496
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: know this is kind of goes to show despite all

497
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: these claims he has about some of these fights, he's

498
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Speaker 1: in prison all these times we have to intimidate and

499
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: scare people down. A lot of media, basically everyone, even

500
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: in the liberal and left winging media, takes this as

501
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: red and assumes that he was to some extent a

502
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: dangerous man. Sure, I don't think there's any evidence of this.

503
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: And again we have this one actual piece of evidence

504
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: of how a fight went for him, and it's a disaster.

505
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: He nearly dies because he tries to fight a truck

506
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: with a stick. Right, that's the level again, these fascists

507
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: that can't threat model. You don't even fight a truck

508
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: with a gun if you can avoid it, that's not

509
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: an even fight. You certainly don't fight it with a stick.

510
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: But gee, Gordon Lyddy fucking tries, and all of the

511
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: fact that he is a liar, the fact that he's

512
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: so inconsistent, the fact that like he is, exaggerating and

513
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: puffing up his skills and abilities was all available and

514
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: easy to prove to any journalist in the nineteen eighties

515
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: who had access with the library. It was easier for

516
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: me every time I fact checked him. It was easier

517
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: for me to do it. Obviously, I've got Google, I've

518
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: got Wikipedia. All that shit makes it a lot simpler.

519
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: But that wasn't an impossible dream for a fucking reporter

520
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: back in that day. They chose not to fact check

521
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: Liddy because he was popular and writing about his antics

522
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: meant money. Perhaps the most upsetting example of this was

523
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: Connecticut magazine, which paid Liddy to write a column about

524
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: his time in prison. It actually starts, Okay, Liddy acknowledges

525
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: that he found out having been in prison, that the

526
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: liberals who had complained about the injustice of support and

527
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: funding for criminal defense resources were right, and that he'd

528
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: been wrong for ignoring them. But he spends most of

529
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: the rest of the article specifically trying to argue against

530
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: gun control by making up conversations murderers had with him,

531
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, I always vote for gun control.

532
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I love gun control because I am a murderer. That's

533
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: my favorite thing. Which these conversations never fucking happened. Yeah,

534
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: quote to quote one of the latter. This is Liddy,

535
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: to quote one of the latter, who raised his right

536
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: hand in the manner of one taking an oath as

537
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: he spoke on my mother. When I go on a

538
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: piece of work, I don't look to nobody but God

539
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: forget been. Something goes wrong and I gotta do what

540
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: I gotta do, and the sucker's got a piece. I mean,

541
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: it ain't all cut and dried. You know, he can

542
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: end up whacking me out. I hope they take away

543
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: all them guns from all them legitimate schmucks. Me forget

544
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: about it. I'll always have a pistol when I need one. Yeah,

545
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: no way, anyone ever said that to you, Like find

546
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: murderer says, all them legitimate schmucks get the fuck out

547
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: of here. Yeah, what a what a thing to set

548
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: to put in the mouth of like your vision of

549
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: a street thug. The phrase legitimate schmucks like whacking me out?

550
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Also like, yeah, what do you he is? He is

551
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: weirdly mixing like racist people's idea of like what inner

552
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: city like like diction is with like a mob movie

553
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: from the sixties, Like it's it's so strange. Yeah, if

554
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese was a bigot, Like that's how good Fellas

555
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: would sound Lyddy also argues that since criminality is inherent

556
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: to some people, programs that rehabilitate or educate them are valueless,

557
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: and again he puts words in them out of prisoners,

558
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: who's like, prisoners don't want to go to school, they

559
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: don't want to have any sort of like rehabilitation programs.

560
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: They just want to do their time.

561
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: And leave.

562
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Speaker 1: Great guy. In nineteen ninety one, Lyddy got to have

563
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: a conversation with Jack Anderson. Now, Jack Anderson was, during

564
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: the period that Nixon was in office, an anti establishment

565
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: journalist who did some reporting very damaging to the Nixon

566
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: administration and earned their ire. Nixon's people authorized a number

567
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: of dirty tricks against Anderson. This is actually really interesting story.

568
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: They like feed him some information to get him to

569
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: write stories and stuff that will hurt him, and there's

570
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: a lot of plotting about like what more we could

571
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: do to stop this guy. Lyddy and Hunt actually spend

572
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: their early days as White House plumbers working up vary

573
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: assassination plots, like they are in the pay of the

574
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: White House, plotting for ways to murder a US journalist.

575
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of debate as to how much

576
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: they whether or not anyone else wanted them doing this.

577
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: One of the versions of events is that basically somebody

578
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: jokes kind of like, yeh'd be good if we could

579
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: get rid of that guy, and Lyddya assumes, oh, that's

580
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: an order from the White House for me to murder

581
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: this way, And when his bosses find out, they're like,

582
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you no, stop like we do

583
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: not like g Gordon Liddy, do not assassinate a journalist

584
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: on behalf of the Nixon white House. That is not

585
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: your job. There's still a lot of argument as to

586
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: whether or not there was any serious planning beyond him

587
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: and Hunt being maniacs together. I don't want to downplay

588
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: this because this is the fact that that there were

589
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: people in the pay of the White House talking about

590
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: this is a fucking serious thing, right anyway, this is

591
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: an issue. Later as a celebrity, Liddy talks to Jack

592
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Anderson and is like, oh, yeah, we were plotting to

593
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: murder you. And when when Anderson is asked, like, how

594
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: do you feel about the fact that g. Gordon Lyddy

595
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: and Howard Hunt we're plotting to kill you? His response

596
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: is great given their record, I was in no danger.

597
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: The safest place to be is a person who g.

598
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: Gordon Letty wants to kill I know.

599
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: The other thing that like is pretty clear from this

600
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: is like he was like the precursor to It's okay,

601
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: these racist right wing clowns are buffoons, so they're harmless,

602
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: Like that's a you know, the whole Trump like thing,

603
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, Okay, yeah, yeah, I.

604
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Don't know that. I think that's really what like Andrew,

605
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: because what do you say to like, this guy's plotting

606
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: to murder me, Like you're like, yeah, well, thank thank

607
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: god he was a dipshit. You know, I don't think that's.

608
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: A bad receeoning. Yeah you don't think so.

609
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean not from the guy targeted, right, Yeah,

610
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: maybe I think it's bad that all these other people

611
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: downplayed him and like wrote these positive articles about it.

612
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: If you're Anderson in this just being like, yeah, well

613
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: he was moron, I don't know. I don't think as

614
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: the victim, I think that it's not a bad response.

615
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. I just don't want to, like,

616
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to like put the broader media's complicity

617
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: in Liddy on this dude who was.

618
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: Like oh is no, yeah, sorry, I was trying to

619
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: say the other one, which is, yeah, the media, I mean,

620
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: like even the Letterman thing. Right, It's like it's like

621
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: the same as this Jimmy fallon with Trump, And ultimately

622
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: it's because it's like, yes, they're racist, like fas, they're

623
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: racist fascists, but at least they're harmless.

624
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I get what you're saying, and

625
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: that is something going on here, you know, speaking of

626
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: the early nineteen nineties. You know what really became much

627
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: more of a problem starting in the early nineteen nineties

628
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: the presence of advertising, unrestricted ads. Yeah, that that really

629
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: really got a lot worse in the nineties. Ah, we're

630
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: back better than ever, I think so the early nineties,

631
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: and which the power of talk radio really starts to

632
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: make itself undeniable. Rush Limbaugh, who we have discussed in

633
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: detail in another series on this show, was the avatar

634
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: of this new wave of media right. Rush is really

635
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: like the big He's not the first, obviously mean that

636
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: guys like father Kauflin in the thirties and shit were

637
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: right wing media radio figures. Rush is the first, really

638
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: like guy to figure out, in the modern sense, how

639
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: is talk radio going to revitalize the far right. It

640
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: should not be surprising, then, that he played a crucial

641
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: role in bringing g. Gordon Lyddy to the airwaves. From

642
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: an article in the right wing paper Washington Examiner quote,

643
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: he was asked to fill in for a vacationing talk

644
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Speaker 1: show host in the New York area on the first day,

645
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Speaker 1: he arrived at with a cold and his voice failed him.

646
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Down the hall, Conservative host Rush Limbaugh had just finished

647
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: broadcasting his national show and heard the g man struggling

648
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Speaker 1: over the nation speakers. He didn't know me from Adam,

649
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Speaker 1: but he came in, sat down and carried me for

650
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Speaker 1: the rest of the program, that he says on the

651
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Speaker 1: second day, media mobile Mel Karmezan was in his limo

652
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Speaker 1: listening to competing radio stations in New York and was

653
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Speaker 1: wowed by Liddy's blunt approach and told his Washington station, WJFK,

654
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Speaker 1: to give the former Nicks and ad an audition, which

655
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: quickly led to a job and a long career on

656
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Speaker 1: the radio. When Gordon started at WJFK in nineteen ninety two,

657
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Speaker 1: he tried an unusual approach. He read news stories from

658
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Speaker 1: the conservative press on air. I just wanted to get

659
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Speaker 1: the information out there, and it worked, he said in amazement.

660
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Speaker 1: So that's a very anadyninge way of describing his show

661
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Speaker 1: and what he does. My description would be that Lyddy's

662
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: show was one of the most hateful radio programs to

663
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Speaker 1: ever hit the airwaves. If you are a real head

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Speaker 1: for extremist politics. You will note that in the early

665
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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties when Liddy started, this is a period in

666
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Speaker 1: which the militia program in this country was supercharged, first

667
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Speaker 1: by Ruby Ridge than by Waco. All of this culminates

668
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Speaker 1: in the Oklahoma City bombings. Lyddy leans into the violence

669
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Speaker 1: of this era because it's anti government and there's a

670
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Speaker 1: and Democrats are the ones in office. Right. He makes

671
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Speaker 1: jokes about like using drawings of the President and the

672
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Speaker 1: First Lady for target practice because he knows that's going

673
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Speaker 1: to cause a hubbub. And then when it gets angry

674
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Speaker 1: and the White House makes a statement, you know, he

675
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Speaker 1: gets to respond to it. It puts his name in

676
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: the papers. He is very much playing in the same

677
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Speaker 1: way that like his predator or the people who follow

678
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: him will play the same playbook. When he gets questioned

679
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Speaker 1: about it, he says, I thought, he said, I thought

680
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Speaker 1: it might improve my aim. It didn't. Having said that,

681
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: I accept no responsibility for somebody shooting up the White House,

682
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: very very very blatantly being that kind of guy. Now

683
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: this inspires an angry response from the White House. Clinton

684
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: references Liddy when he complains about loud and angry voices

685
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Speaker 1: spreading hate on the airwaves in the wake of the

686
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City bombing. While the President denied he was calling

687
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Speaker 1: out Lyddy in particular, the g man took it personally,

688
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: and he said this the next day on his show,

689
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Speaker 1: as related by The Washington Post, it's the president who

690
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: lies and is deliberately misrepresenting facts. Liddy declared it was

691
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Speaker 1: he Lyddy who or in last summer about the increasing

692
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Speaker 1: animosity towards the federal government for taking away our Second

693
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Speaker 1: Amendment rights. Now, Lyddy denies that his frequent manic warnings

694
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Speaker 1: that federal agents were coming to confiscate guns had any

695
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Speaker 1: influence on the intellectual climate that culminated in the bombing

696
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Speaker 1: of the Mora Building in Oklahoma City. I will say

697
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: the arguments he makes in this period are more complicated

698
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Speaker 1: than some of his later takes, because when he is

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Speaker 1: attacking the ATF and the FBI, those agencies have a

700
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Speaker 1: shitload of blood on their hands. Right, people should be

701
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: angry about Waco, They should be angry about Ruby Ridge.

702
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, like awful things were done by incompetent and

703
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Speaker 1: like unaccountable federal agents. In both of those cases, and

704
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Speaker 1: in a number of other cases. And Lyddy. I think

705
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Speaker 1: part of how he builds his following is that, like,

706
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Speaker 1: he's not totally wrong when he says stuff like what

707
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Speaker 1: I'm about to read you. If they smash in un announced,

708
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: screaming at you and assault you with leal methal force,

709
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Speaker 1: you have two choices, Liddy said. You can die under

710
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Speaker 1: their bullets, or you can shoot back and try to

711
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Speaker 1: defend your wife and family. If there were ring flak jackets,

712
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Speaker 1: don't shoot them there, shoot them in the head. So yeah,

713
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: and this is he also tells if you're not good

714
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Speaker 1: enough to shoot in the head, shoot him in the groin.

715
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Speaker 1: What's interesting here is that like this is both like

716
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not unsympathetic to the idea that if

717
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: the Feds are going to kill you, you know you go

718
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: down fighting, right, not always wrong. This is also terrible

719
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Speaker 1: advice from like a gun standpoint, because a flak jacket

720
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Speaker 1: doesn't stop rifle rounds, not in any way, shape or form.

721
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Speaker 1: So this wouldn't really matter if you're anyway whatever.

722
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Speaker 2: It's just this is a guy that just thinks movie

723
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Speaker 2: bulletproof vests exist. Oh yeah, he's never bet in combat.

724
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Speaker 1: He doesn't know anything realistically. This is also isn't This

725
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: gets a lot of people get angry at him for

726
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: this because they're like, he's telling people to shoot cops.

727
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: I think here's usable advice. Like any untrained person if

728
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, what should you do if you have

729
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: to defend yourself against a guy who has armor? Was

730
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Speaker 1: he like, well, I guess you try to shoo him

731
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: in the head, right, duh? Like that's not we're not

732
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Speaker 1: talking about Like, that's not that's not secret operator information

733
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Speaker 1: only the seals. No, Right, that's that's pretty basic shit.

734
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Speaker 1: I think literally one hundred percent of people could could

735
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Speaker 1: could guess that, right.

736
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Speaker 3: Yea, he is not.

737
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Speaker 1: He's not walking you through how to build a trip

738
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Speaker 1: mine or set up close circuit surveillance cameras on independent

739
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: power so you can like see when the FEDS are

740
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Speaker 1: coming and defend yourself. He's being like, you shoot him

741
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Speaker 1: in the hood if they're wearing armor. Well, fucking duh,

742
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Speaker 1: you know.

743
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like well it's also like like this, I mean, yeah,

744
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: the way the FBI like birthed this whole movement because

745
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: they started doing the shit they've been doing to like

746
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: people of color for years, to white people and all

747
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Yeah, the whole right Way movement is like, oh,

748
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Speaker 2: massively government now.

749
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Speaker 1: And it's this also, like the fact that the media

750
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: has this like outrage over him saying this feeds into

751
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: his mystique, builds his fan base, when like, the reality is,

752
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Speaker 1: is he inciting violence against federal agents? I don't know,

753
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: not more than the federal agents were when they did

754
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: the shit at Waco. And realistically, nothing he's telling anyone

755
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: is creating additional danger. I don't actually think in this

756
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: case he really now. I think the fact that he

757
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: is continuing to try to amp people up about you know,

758
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: the new world orders coming, Your guns are getting stolen,

759
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, the government's going to put you all in camps.

760
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Speaker 1: To that extent, yes, he is contributing to a climate

761
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Speaker 1: of violence that costs a lot of people their lives.

762
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Speaker 1: But I think that the way the media drills in

763
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Speaker 1: on this specific statement about shooting cops in the head,

764
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Speaker 1: oh sure when they attack you, is silly. That's not

765
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: the thing to be angry at here. The thing to

766
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: be angry at here is the broader climate of paranoia

767
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: he's stoking, not the fact that he is. Because whenever

768
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Speaker 1: he when he was talking about this when you're saying, like,

769
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: if the Fed's come for you, here's what you do.

770
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Speaker 1: He was citing real stories of federal agents busting into

771
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Speaker 1: people's homes and like killing their pets and shit, which

772
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: like you should be angry about anyway. I think that

773
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Speaker 1: part of the response to him, and the fact that

774
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Speaker 1: it never It's always the same thing with Alex Jones, right,

775
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: Alex will say something silly about like turning the fucking shit,

776
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Speaker 1: turning the frogs gay, and that always gets a laugh.

777
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: Or he'll talk about cannibalism, or he'll make some kind

778
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Speaker 1: of violent threat and that'll get in the airwaves and

779
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: it'll bring more people to him. He does this very

780
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Speaker 1: consciously now he knows if he says something crazy, it'll

781
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Speaker 1: get covered by a bunch of very lazy media figures

782
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: who will take it out of context and they will

783
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Speaker 1: not report on the act. And in fact, whenever he

784
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: winds up in actual court, they usually try to give

785
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Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt more than they ought to,

786
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Speaker 1: as opposed to really understanding the contexts of the actual

787
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Speaker 1: danger of the stuff he is inciting. And the silly

788
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: stuff is not really part of that. It's just how

789
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Speaker 1: he advertises himself, and you're helping him advertise, right. That's

790
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Speaker 1: that's kind of how I feel about this shit with Liddy,

791
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Speaker 1: so because he's not completely in the wrong when he

792
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Speaker 1: gets angry at the Feds. Here, I want to move ahead,

793
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Speaker 1: you know about fifteen years to a period in which

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Speaker 1: g Gordon there's no benefit of the doubt that you

795
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Speaker 1: can give the man. This is after nine to eleven.

796
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Speaker 1: And you know, nine to eleven didn't make anyone a

797
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Speaker 1: better person, but G Gordon Liddy becomes a full fledged

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Speaker 1: fucking bigot in public. I think this has always been

799
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Speaker 1: a part of him, obviously, but the shit he says

800
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Speaker 1: after nine to eleven is pretty vile. And here's one

801
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Speaker 1: clip from twenty ten.

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Speaker 8: I've got a Jewish angle I wish to express this morning,

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Speaker 8: since you've decided to This is his co host the

804
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Speaker 8: first segment of this program.

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Speaker 3: Mister Liddy.

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Speaker 9: No, I thought you're going to say I was being

807
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Speaker 9: casual about your religion.

808
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, not at all.

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Speaker 5: I never think you're being casual about religion of any kind,

810
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Speaker 5: even Islam.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're being terribly casual about.

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Speaker 10: No, I'm not casual at all. About Islam. I'm I

813
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 10: want to go over here and take that come out.

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Speaker 1: So that's not and this I grab these from Media Matters.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Media Matters for collecting this. It's kind of

816
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: hard with old radio broadcasts. Otherwise he's not talking there

817
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: about like terrorists. He's talking about Muslim's period. He wants

818
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: to murder Muslims period. Which again, a lot of guys

819
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Speaker 1: saying shit like this in the post nine to eleven era,

820
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: but it's important to especially as Goofy as he sounds,

821
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Speaker 1: listen to what a fucking vile bigoty is when he

822
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Speaker 1: has a platform of his own where he can say

823
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Speaker 1: any thing. So I want to play you another clip.

824
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Speaker 1: Here's him talking with a listener in Texas about the

825
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Speaker 1: border and all of the Third worlders who are, in

826
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Speaker 1: his view, repopulating.

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Speaker 5: The country and uh, and so now we have this

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Speaker 5: huge population. But it's but the America is not being

829
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Speaker 5: repopulated by Americans. It's being repopulated by people who do

830
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Speaker 5: not share our values.

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Speaker 11: Well, they don't share share our values or our language,

832
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Speaker 11: or our culture or anything like that at all. The

833
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Speaker 11: there was a book back then written called the Population Bomb.

834
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Speaker 11: And oh you're also you know, we're all supposed to

835
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Speaker 11: starve to death because there's going to be so many people, right,

836
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Speaker 11: and uh, we're getting our vast numbers. You know, people

837
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Speaker 11: see you saying, well Hispanics, Well, all that means is

838
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Speaker 11: Spanish speakers. You know the Conquistadores who came over from Spain,

839
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Speaker 11: uh into you know, the south of the border down

840
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 11: there and conquered it. You know, they were tall, fair people,

841
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Speaker 11: and there are still some of their descendants down there,

842
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Speaker 11: but the vast majority of more Indians, right, the short

843
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Speaker 11: squat and uh, you know, little Indians.

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Speaker 1: So that's great, Yeah, that's great. That's great replacement ship.

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Speaker 9: Right.

846
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Speaker 1: You know, this is the stuff that is now very mainstream.

847
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: Lyddy was one of the first guys who had real

848
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: Republican Party connections who was deliberately airring and repeatedly talking

849
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: this is more than a decade ago great placement narratives

850
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: on the radio in the post nine to eleven era. Right.

851
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: He is much more direct about this than even Limbaugh

852
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: often was, and that is very much important because that

853
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: is like the chief Nazi talking point that guys like

854
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: Stephen Miller have been very very successful at putting into

855
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: the mainstream conservatism in this point, it's to the fact

856
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: that it is now a normal stance for them. And yeah,

857
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: Lyddy is one of the guys who helped start that process.

858
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: So speaking of Lyddy being a literal Nazi, by now

859
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: here is him playing a fucking Nazi documentary about replacement

860
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: theory on the air during his fucking show. First, we're

861
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: going to listen just to a chunk of that documentary.

862
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 9: Here's a special request research.

863
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 8: In order for a culture to maintain itself for more

864
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 8: than twenty five years, there must be a fertility rate

865
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 8: of two point one point one children per vamily. With

866
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 8: anything less, the culture will decline. Historically, no culture has

867
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 8: ever reversed a one point nine fertility rate. A rate

868
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 8: of one point three impossible to reverse because it would

869
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 8: take eighty to one hundred years to correct itself, and

870
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 8: there is no economic model that can sustain a culture

871
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 8: during that time.

872
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 9: Did my part? I had five.

873
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 8: Children, sets of parents each had one christ there are

874
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 8: half as many children as parents. If those children have

875
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 8: one child, then there are one fourth as many grandchildren

876
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 8: as grandparents. If only a million babies are born in

877
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 8: two thousand and six, it's hard to have two million

878
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 8: adults in out course in twenty twenty six.

879
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: Again, this is all stuff that in part relies on

880
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: you don't want anyone new coming in, you want to

881
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: kick everything white, right, there's plenty of people, no shortage

882
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: of people. The fact that like, yeah, anyway, this whole

883
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: demographic decline thing very much a fucking straight up knot.

884
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: The argument based on I want everyone to look like

885
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: white people that I remember growing up next to as

886
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: a kid.

887
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: The the idea.

888
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, it's just like they're like shitty rhetoric,

889
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: but they're like the like alighting culture and race is

890
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, clumsy, but I know it works with these people.

891
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: So it works with these dummies. It's very bad. This

892
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: goes on that clip he's playing from that fucking literal

893
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: just Nazi shit goes on for five more minutes, and

894
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: then Lyddy comes back in and he's got he's got

895
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: something to say. It's time to wake up.

896
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 9: Boy. What we need is redex I guess, g man.

897
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 10: And then there's something you can sprinkle down and they

898
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 10: take it back into their pole and the rest of

899
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 10: the colony gets you know, they need it too. You're

900
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 10: referring to ambro antlock mister.

901
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: So he's laughing in a grandfatherly fashion there about using

902
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: animal poison to kill non white people.

903
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: It's also like, listen every time conservatives complain about like, oh,

904
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: we never like the liberal media won't let our comedy

905
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: shows be on the air, it's also because this is

906
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: as good as it like, you know, gut Fieled is

907
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: the new version of this, and it's like, yeah, the

908
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 2: other reason there's never like sustained conservative comedy is because

909
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: it's not funny, because.

910
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: Your only joke is what if we did what the

911
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Nazis did?

912
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 10: Ha ha ha.

913
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: But I'm not a Nazi haha haa, but what if

914
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: we did? Like that is the whole joke. That's the

915
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: whole bit. That's all they have. So Lyddy is predictably

916
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: horrified by the campaign and presidency of Barack Obama. Not

917
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: a big surprise, but that that is also it's not

918
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: just nine to eleven. That is also part of what

919
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: makes him increasingly open about his just straight up Nazi shit.

920
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 11: Uh.

921
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: He states on Twitter quote it's a dirty shame kids

922
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: in Kenya were not taught how to throw a baseball

923
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: like a man in a direct reference to the then

924
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 1: growing conspiracy theory about the former president's place of birth.

925
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: I should have looked up whether or not. I didn't

926
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: want to, like fact check like is, because you know,

927
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 1: a lot of countries weirdly are into baseball. I don't

928
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: know if Kenya is or not, because I didn't want

929
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: to feel like it was probably worse to just like

930
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: lend that any sort of credence.

931
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: But whatever it wasn't Wasn't Kenya a British colony that'd

932
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: be in a cricket.

933
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably probably more cricket.

934
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 11: You know.

935
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: Japan was is weirdly into baseball, which is why I

936
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: say it, right, and like the best baseball player in

937
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: history now like a Japanese Yeah, guy, that's that's that's right.

938
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Japan's ox ox ophilia.

939
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. You never know when a country is gonna be weird.

940
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: I always I found you. I feel like this happened

941
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: a couple of times where you'd be like, oh, I

942
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't have picked them as being like super into baseball

943
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: because it's our worst cultural export, right, The most boring

944
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: thing that America ever gave the world is fucking baseball. Sorry, guys, Yeah.

945
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, Great Britain till the sixties.

946
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Till the sixties. Yeah, oh, I mean yeah, they did

947
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: like a genocide there, the mau Maunt Rebellion, but people

948
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: in concentration camps right in the post wood to Nightmare

949
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: Nightmare stuff doesn't really tie in other than that, I'm

950
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: sure g Gordon Lyddy thinks it was awesome. So you

951
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: know what he's doing here by bringing this up. This

952
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: is like a clear reference to the then growing conspiracy

953
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: theory that President Obama was secretly born in Kenya. Right.

954
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Lyddy is a full backer of that, along with future

955
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. On an episode of the TV news

956
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: show Hardball, he makes even more direct statements on this matter.

957
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine. This one's something else. This

958
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: is all a available Gordon. Here it is He's this

959
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: is a picture of the actual birth certificate of the

960
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: former president.

961
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 11: Well, I would like to check it out. The preponderance

962
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 11: of the evidence is as follows. You've got a deposition,

963
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 11: which is a sworn statement from the step grandmother who

964
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 11: says I was present and saw him born in Mombasa, Kenya.

965
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 11: You've got the certificate of live birth that they that

966
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 11: they have here it's not a birth certificate, says right

967
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 11: on a certificate of live birth.

968
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: Would you claim he was born in the Kenyan slums?

969
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: You say that as a fact on.

970
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 9: The hospital in Mombasa. I didn't say Kenyan slum.

971
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: What a difference, Chris, Chris, I mean in which hospital Mambasa?

972
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: I mean I've been over.

973
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: There's so many times. Where is this all this happened?

974
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 11: If you have a whole history of this fell in Kenya,

975
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 11: do you have any evidence that ever happened.

976
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 9: Whatever that he was born in Kenyona? Yeah, I've got

977
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 9: the deposition of the steph grandmother. He said she witnessed it.

978
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: Okay, your witness, your witness.

979
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: Now, look, there's no deposition. It doesn't exist. He is

980
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: lying about having it produced. What he was really what

981
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: he like said later is that like, well, we're working

982
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: on getting it, getting access to it, but I know

983
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: it exists. It was never real. Like it does not exist.

984
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: It's just lies. He's just a liar. In two thousand

985
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: and nine, journalists Una Lee and Laura Ling were arrested

986
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: by North Korean soldiers while filming a documentary on the

987
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: China North Korea border. Both women were charged with a

988
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: legal entry and sentenced to twelve years hard labor. Now

989
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: it just so happens that Laura's sister, Lisa Ling, worked

990
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: on the Oprah Winfrey Show, and understandably she used every

991
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: piece of cloud that she had to try to get

992
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: the US government to take action on saving her sister.

993
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: After a week's long campaign, the government succeeded in negotiating

994
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: with No Korea to get the women back. Former President

995
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: Clinton traveled to Pyongyang to do the handoff in August

996
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: of two thousand and nine, after both women had been

997
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: captive for one hundred and forty days. This is something

998
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: Clinton did before. I think he actually goes in and

999
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: helps with negotiations to free Americans North Crea. I think

1000
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: there's a couple of situations he does that, and also

1001
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: stuff like this. Former presidents in the modern era have

1002
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: often kind of done stuff like this, Right, you don't

1003
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: want to have the president to do it whatever, but

1004
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: like there's this understanding that they are kind of representative,

1005
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: that it is a way that the government cannot maybe

1006
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: directly deal with a country that we have a fraught

1007
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: relationship with, while also still this is a figure of respect,

1008
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, if that's important for your negotiations. Not a

1009
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: really weird thing to do. It also should be pretty apolitical.

1010
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: These women were not doing anything wrong. This should not

1011
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: reasonably be a thing that anyone has an issue with. Right,

1012
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: Someone's got to go get them, thank God. Right, Like

1013
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: that should be the end of it. G Gordon Liddy,

1014
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: when he covers this, decide to spend his time discussing

1015
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: it making a very racist joke. And we're gonna play

1016
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: that now.

1017
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 10: All right, ladies and gentlemen, those u two young girls

1018
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 10: who may or may not have strayed into North Korea

1019
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 10: got arrested.

1020
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 9: I have something like ling Lay and wee Wie whatever

1021
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 9: their names are.

1022
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: So haha, people who aren't white have names I think

1023
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: are funny. That's the bay.

1024
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's yeah again. Maybe conservative comedy would

1025
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: do better if they found another joke.

1026
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm putting all this to you like rapid

1027
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: fire because I want to. I want to inoculate you

1028
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: against thinking g Gordon Lyddy is anything but scum, because

1029
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: you can when you follow his kind of like sillier

1030
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: funnier bits, you can forget that. And this man is

1031
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: a fucking fascist, Like he's a terrible person. He should

1032
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: have never been let out of a dark hole in

1033
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: the ground. Don't let's not forget that. That said, we

1034
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: are going to move on now and we are going

1035
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: to play a much more fun video because during you know,

1036
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: g Gordon Liddy, he's one of the pioneers of right

1037
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: wing media and there is you know, this is evident

1038
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: primarily in his commitment to reaching new levels of shadiness

1039
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: and advertising. While he insulted the normal station sponsors as

1040
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: crafts consumerism, he was happy to become a personal pitchman

1041
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: for a whole line of health supplements. He's one of

1042
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: the first of these right wing guys sung like weight

1043
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: loss and exercise supplements. He really pioneers that. And he

1044
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: is also a pioneer in selling gold. Oh yeah, guys,

1045
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: are you ready to watch a G. Gordon Liddy gold commercial?

1046
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm excited?

1047
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, fuck yes, let's play it.

1048
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 10: You're to pick amy, she's still getting ready, come in.

1049
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 9: How do you plan on supporting my granddaughter? Young man?

1050
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: I'm only seventeen, sir.

1051
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 5: What can provide her with the brightest future home? Wrong?

1052
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: Gold gold.

1053
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 5: It's never too early or too late to secure your

1054
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 5: future with gold. Gold is always valuable liquid as smart

1055
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 5: by as you might ever make. Who do your trusts

1056
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 5: on Roslyn Capital?

1057
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 9: That'so. Roslyn Capital is more than just so cold.

1058
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 5: They give you expert advice on how to secure your.

1059
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: Face is so creepy.

1060
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, old, where I buy mine? Rosslyn Capital to the

1061
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 5: your free guide to owning gold?

1062
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 12: Many young man, what's the most important thing to remember.

1063
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: To secure my future with gold through Rosin Capitol?

1064
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 12: No, to make sure Amy's back by eleven pll Roslin

1065
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 12: Capital and tell them Gordon Liddy sent.

1066
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 3: You incredible not to kill back the curtain.

1067
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: But uh, the YouTube clip that did treads should into

1068
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: the contemporary version of that bullshit? Yeah, newer go that

1069
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: that's a colloidal silver ap Oh yeah, silver at the

1070
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: same bullshit.

1071
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't it like you eat it or drink

1072
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: it or put it up your butt for Yeah?

1073
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the same like supplement like unusable. I mean, yeah,

1074
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: it's not surprising that YouTube is also just the right

1075
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: wing media, but Jesus Christ.

1076
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah it is so funny.

1077
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: She'd probably do another break.

1078
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: Speaking of supplements, help help us supplement our income by

1079
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 1: buying these products and services. We love you. I don't

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00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: actually love them. Guys, don't tell oh my god, we've

1081
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: come back from break. I didn't mean that. I didn't

1082
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: mean that. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that.

1083
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh fuck, oh fuck. Okay. Ian is going

1084
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: to take a hop off right now to research whether

1085
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: or not it's possible to edit audio while I guess,

1086
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: I guess, Andrew you and I will just power through

1087
00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: the rest of this year.

1088
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, good thing. Evil Robert

1089
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: left because yeah.

1090
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was evil. That's brilliant, brilliant. Ian, remember that

1091
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: for next time. Got it?

1092
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: You got him out of the studio.

1093
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: Finally, Yeah, Evil Roberts left. I would never say anything

1094
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: like that to you wonderful people. So, despite being an

1095
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: execrable human being, g Gordon Liddy continued to be in

1096
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: demand among the Hollywood set, who were always willing to

1097
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: ignore his bigotry and calls for genocide because he was

1098
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: funny and always good for some buzz Lyddy acted in

1099
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: a number of films. He is I Think He's the

1100
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: villain in Camp Cuckamonga. He's in Adventures in Spying. He

1101
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: makes appearances on mcguiver, Airwolf, Super Wo Force, and Al

1102
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: Franken's late line to name just a few. He's in

1103
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: a lot of docs too, DoD documentaries.

1104
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like exhibit A on this bullshit that,

1105
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: like the entertainment industry is quote liberal, like it's pluralistic

1106
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: because it's profitable. But they fucking people in charge of

1107
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: this industry at least love a fucking pigot.

1108
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely can't get enough of them. Put him on

1109
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: Al Franken's show Wild Sad that he's an Airwolf, although

1110
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: I take some comfort in knowing that the helicopter from

1111
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: air Wolf was later bought by a pervert who had

1112
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: sex with it. Heah, that makes me feel a lot better. Yeah,

1113
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: So none of this comes close to Lyddy's crowning achievement

1114
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, his two thousand and six appearance on Joe

1115
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: Rogan's Fear Factor. To be specific, this is celebrity Fear Factor,

1116
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: and Lyddia makes his appearance here along a heavy serving

1117
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: of washed up celebrities from mostly like the seventies and eighties.

1118
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: His chief competition on the episode is Leif Garrett. Does

1119
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: anyone here remember Leaf Garrett? Yeah, that's fine, because he's

1120
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: not he barely I don't even know that I'd call

1121
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: him a celebrity. He'd put out some albums in like

1122
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: the seventies, nobody alive remembers any of them now. Visually.

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00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: The most fascinating thing about this episode is that everyone

1124
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: else is like from like their twenties or so thirties

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: to fifty, and Lydia is seventy five years old and

1126
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: looks looks like I mean, he doesn't aged badly. He

1127
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: was always in pretty good shape, but like looks like

1128
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: he's an elderly man next to everybody, which is interesting,

1129
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: fascinating mix here. So I'm going to play you his

1130
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: introduction from the start of this episode is when they're

1131
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: all like, everybody's walking on set.

1132
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 9: I've lived a pretty full competitive life.

1133
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 10: Age has not prevented me from doing anything so far,

1134
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 10: and you people put me through all kinds of medical

1135
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 10: tests before you let me on the show, and I

1136
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 10: passed him with flying color. So that's a.

1137
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: Oda.

1138
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the absolute cowardice of chiroting him with Watergate figure.

1139
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: Watergate figure yeah, yeah from which side of Watergate?

1140
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 3: Who knows could be anyone.

1141
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: Looks like if Hitler had survived and it's like World

1142
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: War two figure. Yeah, notable person from a second World

1143
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: War conflict, World War two veteran, Yeah, well known Nazi.

1144
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1145
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: So the basics of this show are that people are

1146
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: paired up into teams, all of them celebrities in this instance,

1147
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: and they have to endure a set of physically unpleasant

1148
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: and at least faux dangerous challenges together. The winner gets

1149
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Lyddy is paired up with the actress

1150
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: who played Vanessa Huxtable from The Cosby Show. It's just

1151
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: a wild, wild thing to have happened in the world.

1152
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, a very young Joe Rogan, is clearly in

1153
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: awe of Lyddy, and he gives it. Really tells you

1154
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: a lot about how much Joe Rogan understands about the world.

1155
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: His every almost every word of his introduction is wrong.

1156
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: He tells several lies about the man, and Lyddy does

1157
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 1: not correct him, just smiles and nods. So here we go, Temmis.

1158
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 13: You realize who you've partnered with. He was second to

1159
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 13: j Edgar Hoover. This guy was in the Korean War.

1160
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 13: This is the only castrom we've ever had that's in

1161
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 13: the encyclopedia. Yes, do you did like burn your hand

1162
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 13: with a candle to prove that you could endure pain.

1163
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 9: Actually it was a cigarette lighter. I don't know where

1164
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 9: the candle light from.

1165
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the candle. A good part about him, him

1166
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: and me, we've both been in jail.

1167
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 9: He was very good part about I don't know, but

1168
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 9: you know I was. I was in jail a lot

1169
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 9: longer than him, in jail four five years.

1170
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 13: G Gordon, Once you explained everybody, did you go to

1171
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 13: jail four?

1172
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Speaker 10: I got nine different fellows.

1173
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 9: Let's see, there's.

1174
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: Burglary, all related to Watergate, related to the Watergate. Yeah, everything

1175
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: were guilty.

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01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 9: Of course it was guilty.

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01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: That wasn't guilty enough. I was in detention once.

1178
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Speaker 11: Did you go?

1179
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 9: She I used to be in the FBI, so I

1180
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 9: know his rep sheet.

1181
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 6: You know what they got him for impersonating a human being.

1182
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: She's making jokes, joke, This is g. Gordon Seinfeld.

1183
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: So to everybody laugh and look at how funny this

1184
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: fucking monster is. Also everything Joe says, there is fucking wrong.

1185
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: He was never the second, He was never that high

1186
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: in the FBI. He was certainly not Jay Edgar Hoover's second,

1187
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: and he did not participate in any way in the

1188
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: Korean War. He is he is like a he is

1189
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: a Korean War era veteran in that he was around then.

1190
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: But it would be like if you had an uncle

1191
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: who spent his two years or whatever in military service,

1192
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: like sitting at like like fucking cleaning and maintaining vehicles

1193
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: at a fucking truck pool in North Dakota. But it

1194
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: was during the Vietnam War. He's a Vietnam era veteran,

1195
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: but that's not calling him a Saying he's a nom

1196
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: vet would be like, well, no, no, he's not. He

1197
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: didn't never leave the country. He did not do any

1198
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: any Vietnam stuff. G. Gordon Liddy was not part of

1199
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: the Korean War.

1200
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: Classic right wing shit. You know, yeah, I said, Joe

1201
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: Rogan's research stoke.

1202
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan was. He was like, he's so xightly excited.

1203
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: He's so we'll talk about why, because I think it's

1204
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: interesting why I believe Joe Rogan is so into this

1205
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: guy and what it says about Joe and what it

1206
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: says about that kind of dude who make up a

1207
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: significant chunk of the male population unfortunately, but like you

1208
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: see how they fall for it. Right, like instantly everyone's

1209
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: on board. Liddy's a fairly charismatic guy. He understands how

1210
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: to present himself around people. He's good at this. This

1211
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: is a skill, right that is kind of worth noting

1212
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: when we look at him. I think this episode really

1213
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: does show how savvy Liddy had become by this stage

1214
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: in his life. While the other male celebrities are boisterous

1215
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: and kind of chauvinistic, he is quiet. He's reserved. He

1216
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: feeds into his reputation by being quite saying less is more,

1217
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: and he understands that. He's also supportive and kind of

1218
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: fatherly to his young female partner. He's like very very

1219
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: nice to her in a way that like a lot

1220
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: of the they're in on the show or a lot cruder,

1221
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: which I do find interesting. And he just comes from

1222
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he is. He has these He has

1223
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: these more old fashioned ideas of like how you should

1224
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: behave paternalistically when he wins. He wins the first challenge,

1225
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: which like is this weird bungee diving game into a

1226
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: pool where you have to grab objects, and it seems

1227
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: to reinforce his reputation as some kind of superman, considering

1228
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: how much older he is than everybody else. The second

1229
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: challenge is where things get interesting. His partner quits because

1230
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: everyone asks to like sit in these tiny diving bell

1231
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: like compartments that are pressurized, and then first it's pumped

1232
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: full of foul smelling, sulfurous odors, so it's like you're

1233
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: trapped in a big ball of arts. And then it's

1234
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: heated up to an uncomfortable level so that you're like sweating,

1235
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: and then like they pour insects and stuff in, so

1236
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: you have to deal with being covered in maggots and shit.

1237
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: It's all stuff that's like gross and unsettling. It's not

1238
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: really a danger, right. They do shock people with like little,

1239
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: very light kind of cattle prod versions at one point.

1240
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: Everyone else is miserable during this and complains constantly and

1241
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: is like horrified his things get gross. Lyddy just sits

1242
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: there quietly with like his legs folded and endures the

1243
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: whole thing with this almost beatific smile on his face.

1244
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: Here's the segment where the bug shower begins. Lyddy is

1245
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: just sitting there.

1246
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 3: No, not what please just it's John. Are you angry

1247
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 3: with her?

1248
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 11: John?

1249
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: No?

1250
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 3: But I am gus you blame it on me. I

1251
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: did I quit joke.

1252
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: I'm not blaming it on you.

1253
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm not just because I told her I was scream

1254
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 3: It's natural.

1255
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 13: I say the beginning said I'm gonna scream, but I'm

1256
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 13: not gonna quit Tracy.

1257
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 3: You know, g go.

1258
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 4: This is the only that I'll ever know.

1259
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 3: We've done.

1260
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 11: Wow.

1261
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, I know I knew I wasn't gonna get to

1262
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 13: the next chair.

1263
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's wee definitely advanced. Now it's just to see

1264
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: who wins the choppers.

1265
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 3: Take care, guys.

1266
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: There's two motorcycles for whoever wins this. Yeah, and Lyddy

1267
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: wins them. By the way, shouldn't surprise you if you

1268
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: know anything about him. This is another thing that he

1269
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: is definitely good at, is endurance.

1270
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely built for this.

1271
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: There's no skill that is you don't. He doesn't have

1272
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: to accomplish anything. He doesn't have to like think anything through.

1273
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: He just has to sit and endure an experience that

1274
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: he knows is not really dangerous, right.

1275
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: Like lighting his hand on fire for fun. Yeah, and

1276
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 4: everybody already thinks he's a bad as in his mind,

1277
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:49,959
Speaker 4: the job is done.

1278
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's done real prison, right, Like it's not

1279
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: hard to sit in a diving bell type thing for

1280
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: a few an hour or to whatever be around on

1281
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: some bugs like, especially when you've had that experience in

1282
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: her life. At one point, Leif Garrett tries to see

1283
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: if you can talk Lyddy out of staying in the pod,

1284
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: and Lyddy says one of the few wantest things he

1285
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: was ever recorded saying, who.

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01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 3: Gets the choppers? Hey?

1287
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 14: Gee, you know what does you don't want a chopper?

1288
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 14: There got nothing to do with the choppers. I just

1289
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 14: don't for that a boy. Well, we'll see you at

1290
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 14: the end.

1291
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 9: My red. This was clearly going to be an endurance situation.

1292
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: I can endure anything.

1293
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 15: After spending one hundred and twenty six days in solitary confinement,

1294
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 15: being in a pod was not disturbing to me. Been

1295
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 15: covered by thousands of cockroaches when I was in a

1296
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 15: filthy prison. So a few maggots and just brushed them away.

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01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's lying there. Obviously he's not

1298
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: lying there. He does well at this. He wins two

1299
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: very ugly motorcycles. I'm going to guess he sold them.

1300
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: They're hideous.

1301
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 10: Uh.

1302
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: The final stunt of the day is a driving test

1303
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: with a car on a stunt track. There's they're obstacles

1304
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's like you knows there will be some

1305
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: fire and shit. Lyddy is supposed to drive around and

1306
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: through the obstacles, and he he spends a lot of

1307
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: time bragging about his FBI training and action driving, like

1308
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: talking about like, well, I've got FBI training, and I

1309
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: think I know what I'm doing. And then this is

1310
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: the truest g Gordon Liddy. He brags about his FBI

1311
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: driving skills and then gets in the truck and immediately crashes,

1312
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 1: just just instantly drives it into a building. And here's

1313
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: that clip.

1314
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 5: Whoever breaks down?

1315
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 2: He hate obstacle golf and completes the cars the fastest lens.

1316
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 5: And pray, who what.

1317
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 10: He's on.

1318
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: I'll see if that training helps.

1319
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 14: A long time ago man, I think he was a

1320
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 14: faster than him.

1321
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 3: Man picking up his bead.

1322
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: He lasts. All of his vaunted FBI training allows him

1323
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: to stay on the stunt driving test half as long

1324
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: as Leaf Garrett. That's what g Gordon Letty's real skills

1325
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: bring to the table. Half as good at driving as

1326
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: fucking Leaf Garrett.

1327
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 3: Oh Man delightfully weird holy shit.

1328
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: It is very weird and this is the you know,

1329
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I debated whether or not to go

1330
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: on this little rant afterwards, but I kept thinking about

1331
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: what this means, what Joe's fascination with him means, and

1332
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of the rest of what I know about Joe Rogan,

1333
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: what he sees his masculinity as heroism. I've been thinking

1334
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: about all these questions a lot as I've been going

1335
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: through these the episodes, and I keep coming back to

1336
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: I keep being reminded of and thinking of my grandfather

1337
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: in this, because I think the difference between the two

1338
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: men as I knew them says a lot about the

1339
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: difference between particularly these kind of like mainstream conservative ideas

1340
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 1: about what it means to be a man, what it

1341
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: means to be brave. And these are not just conservative,

1342
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: these are deeply American ideas, deeply flawed ideas versus.

1343
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: You could argue that that is that's concerned the same diff.

1344
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I think versus what I would describe

1345
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: as what actually is heroism and bravery, I think is

1346
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: really worth digging into. So if you'll forgive me, I'm

1347
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: going to talk about my grandpa a little bit here. Yeah,

1348
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: you've all learned about g. Gordon Liddy. My grandfather was

1349
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: I think about ten years older than him. Unlike Lyddy.

1350
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: Lyddy even talks about who is very insulated from the

1351
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: Great Depression. My grandfather was poor. He came from a

1352
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: farming family. He is able to get a job with

1353
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: the Civilian Conservation Corps, which is part of the deal.

1354
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: FDR had established this organization to hire out of workmen

1355
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: and have them do stuff like this is where a

1356
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of our parks come from, right is the CCC

1357
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: guys build them and stuff. You know, all these young

1358
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: men who didn't have anything else to keeps these guys fed,

1359
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: keeps them from starving. My grandpa does this for years,

1360
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: and the money he gets, you know, every paycheck he

1361
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: would buy a cart and of cigarettes and he'd send

1362
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: every dime outside of that back to his family to

1363
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: help keep his brothers and his mom and dad fed.

1364
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty nine or so rolls around. He becomes very

1365
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: aware of Hitler and what's happening in Europe. He becomes

1366
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: convinced that the US is going to get into the war.

1367
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: He knows that his brothers will wind up fighting, and

1368
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: as the oldest brother. He thinks that he should join

1369
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: first in order to hopefully try and spare them from

1370
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: some of that. So he joins the military a year

1371
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: or so before the US gets involved. He's one of

1372
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: these guys who I think people kind of naturally wanted

1373
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: to follow, and so he becomes a drill sergeant. He

1374
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,520
Speaker 1: spends most of World War Two training other men for combat,

1375
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: and repeatedly he feels that he needs to fight, especially

1376
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: again one of his brothers, his younger brother, the tallest

1377
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: of the family, winds up in a unit that's going

1378
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: to be seeing heavy combat. He's going to be part

1379
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: of the Normandy landing. So my grandfather pushes and pushes

1380
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: and gets assigned to a unit that's going to be

1381
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: part of the invasion. He gets pulled out of it

1382
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: at the last minute. And the story I was always

1383
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: told is that when they were at one of the

1384
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: disembarkation points, it was really chaotic. My grandpa, being this

1385
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of drill sergeant dude who feels this inherent responsibility

1386
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: towards other people, starts going around and like dressing everybody's lines,

1387
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: sorting out their gear, organizing things. He was just kind

1388
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: of that man. Compulsively, and one of the officers running

1389
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 1: the operation sees him doing this and is like, you're

1390
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, Garland. We need someone like you here.

1391
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: So he is forced to stay back home while his

1392
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: brother and a lot of his friends go over and

1393
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: a lot of them don't come back. His brother gets

1394
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: shot in the head outside of Bastone, survives, but is

1395
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: never really the same after this, and you know, he

1396
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 1: stays in the army. After World War Two, he winds

1397
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: up fighting in Korea. He's there, he was actually because

1398
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: the unit he was with was stationed normally in Hawaii.

1399
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: He was on his way with my grandma and their

1400
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: kids to go live there. They were moving there, and

1401
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: he gets diverted as they're heading over. My grandma's left

1402
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: alone to take care of the family. He winds up

1403
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: spending however long basically the extent of the Korean War

1404
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 1: in Korea. And he starts off as he's a sergeant,

1405
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: I think maybe a staff sergeant when the war begins,

1406
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: and sergeants, you know, enlisted in officers are two different things.

1407
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: You don't go from enlisted to an officer normally because

1408
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: they're two fundamentally different career tracks. My Grandpa goes starts

1409
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: the war as a sergeant and ends it as a major,

1410
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: which is like a higher up officer. This normally doesn't happen.

1411
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: What occurs during the war is that everyone above him

1412
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 1: dies so consistently that he winds up taking their jobs,

1413
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: and he gets given temporary rank that is then later

1414
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: made confirmed as permanent because he's good at it, and

1415
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: he is running field hospitals on the strength of an

1416
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: eighth grade education. By the time the war ends, he won.

1417
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: I think it was either bronze or a silver star.

1418
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,520
Speaker 1: The one thing I know that he really did specifically

1419
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: was this moment where there was a bunch of guys

1420
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: I think twenty or so US soldiers pinned down and

1421
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: injured underneath this bridge and they were trapped. There were

1422
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: two machine gun nests that had direct lines of sight

1423
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: and were just firing directly into these guys. We had

1424
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: very little cover. They didn't have artillery support on the line,

1425
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,440
Speaker 1: they didn't have air cover. There weren't really assets available

1426
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: in this area of the line of contact to get

1427
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: them out. So my grandpa grabs one of his friends

1428
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: and they drive a jeep through two machine guns firing

1429
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: at them. The jeep gets shot full of holes, they

1430
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: both get injured, and then while still under fire ode

1431
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: He described it as stacking them like firewood, twenty men

1432
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: into the back of this jeep and then drives them

1433
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: out while getting shot the entire time to rescue them. Warrens,

1434
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, he quits the military eventually and spends the

1435
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: rest of his career he runs all of the hospitals

1436
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: in Okinawa, Japan for fifteen years or so. And you know,

1437
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: these are like triosh units and stuff, so a lot

1438
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: of people who are really messed up wind up going there.

1439
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: And again all of this on like the strength of

1440
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: an eighth grade education. And the thing, you know, we

1441
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: got to know a couple of the dudes who had

1442
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: served with my grandpa, you know again later on when

1443
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: they were all old men. There was one conversation that's

1444
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: really stuck with me, which is one of my guys,

1445
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: my Grandpa's, like the guys serving under him, was like,

1446
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, Garland, how did you you know? The thing

1447
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: that was always interested it was always amazing to me,

1448
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: is no matter how bad shit got, you were never scared.

1449
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: And my Grandpa's response was, oh, I was shitting my pants.

1450
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: The whole time. I just couldn't let any of you

1451
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: know how scared I was right. And I know that

1452
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: was long digression. I apologize. But the thing that makes

1453
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: me think of when I think about Lyddy.

1454
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 3: G.

1455
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: Gordon Liddy's entire concept of courage was as an individual

1456
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: doing something dangerous to prove your manhood. And he was

1457
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: psyched to get a chance to go to prison for

1458
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon, no matter what it cost his family, because

1459
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: it meant he got to prove he wasn't, in his mind,

1460
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: a coward. And I contrast that with what my grandpa's

1461
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: life experience tells me. He viewed as the meaning of

1462
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: courage of being a man, and it was never taking

1463
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: a student, it was never throwing himself into danger. It

1464
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: was care. His entire life was an exercise in caring

1465
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: for the people around him and the weight of responsibility

1466
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: first to his brothers, to his family, to his country,

1467
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: to the world. You know, when he joined for World

1468
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: War Two, to the men around him. Throughout his period

1469
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: of service, he was never doing anything to be a hero.

1470
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 1: He was acting consistently and no matter what it cost him,

1471
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: to save lives, to protect people. And I think that's

1472
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: the difference between what heroism means to someone who has

1473
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: been through some of the worst experiences. You can see

1474
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: what bravery means, what doing the right thing is versus

1475
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: what these children, and I include Joe Rogan as a

1476
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: mental child, believe courage is. Joe Rogan is so impressed, Wow,

1477
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: looked at him, me so tough. He can have bugs

1478
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: poured on him, and shit, fucking Joe wouldn't know courage

1479
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: if it jumped up and bit him in the fucking ass.

1480
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: Courage is taking care of people, even when it means

1481
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: harm and sacrifice on your own behalf. Courage is not

1482
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: sitting in a fucking sphere while people pore bugs on you,

1483
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: and it's not sitting in a prison to protect Dick

1484
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: Nixon while you're family suffers. Anyway, that's my rant.

1485
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, wells, yeah, it's not just that, and he like doesn't.

1486
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole concept of masculinity is like it's so sad,

1487
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: like we just yeah, did it need any of this

1488
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: to happen? And the way it harms like its worst

1489
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: like perpetrators as well, is so fucked up. We're just like, guys,

1490
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: none of this, none of this is necessary. None of

1491
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: this has to be like this.

1492
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah right. G Gordon Lyddy lived a

1493
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: fifteen years after fear Factor. He lives to be ninety.

1494
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: He dies in the spring of twenty twenty one in

1495
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: his daughter's house after struggling for several years with Parkinson's,

1496
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: which is also what got my grandfather. By the way,

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Speaker 1: he lived long enough to see the rise of Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and January sixth, although by that point he was

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Speaker 1: mostly out of the spotlight. He also lived, interestingly enough

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Speaker 1: long enough to see one son, Raymond Liddy, sentenced to

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Speaker 1: five years probation for storing a cash of child pornography

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Speaker 1: in his Coronado home. So one of the suns he

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Speaker 1: raised is a child porn Officionado. His other son is

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01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: better Tom Liddy has a more auspicious career as a lawyer,

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01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,879
Speaker 1: where he represented Mericopa County during a twenty twenty lawsuit

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: with the Trump campaign over what it claimed were falsified ballots.

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01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: Liddy succeeded in getting the case dismissed, which earned him

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Speaker 1: to an avalanche of death threats from Trump people. So

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Speaker 1: the Lyddies, the Liddies contain multitudes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although you know what the way that they don't

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01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: is like, you know, don't there's just a world where

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Speaker 2: like that was my job, that's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't think he's a

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Speaker 1: great perer. I'm sure he's not a great I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe he is, right, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know specifically that he isn't either. I guess, Yes, why

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Speaker 1: am I casting dispersions?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: Why why am I shit talking? Because he can't be

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01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: he can't be held responsible for his dance sucking. So yeah,

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: that's me being a little bit of a dick. I

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01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: have no reason. I know nothing about him other than this,

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01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: and that was not a bad thing to do.

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Speaker 3: So there, you know, right, holy shit, what fuck it.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad we got to finish the take.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was the right call. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What a life?

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: What a life? What a weird fucked up what a weird,

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Speaker 1: fucked up miserable less Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, And I guess that's the thing. It's like none

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Speaker 2: of the lessons will ever be learned, Like even this,

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01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 2: no one listening to this is not no one, But

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01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, they're not susceptible in the same way to

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Speaker 2: whatever the fuck he has going on. He and Joe

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Speaker 2: Rogan have going on.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, you need to plug Andrew?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, you know, you know, is this racist?

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Speaker 2: We're not as well researched, but we're just not as

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01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:56,759
Speaker 2: well researched.

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Speaker 3: Kind of the same vibe though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh there you go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm tired. We're done.

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01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: We're all going to going on. We're all going to

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01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 2: go get into our diving bells. I just meditate for

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Speaker 2: a couple of hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Phil, Yeah, just ponder good stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: interesting code of people might fight when I just not

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01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: long ago, and you know, when I was living in

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Speaker 1: Portland in twenty twenty during the riots, big part of

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Speaker 1: my support system was my my technically my land lady,

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01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of lived in adjacent houses,

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01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: who was a Chinese citizen about my age, and we

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01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: found out during like one of the early pandemic conversations

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Speaker 1: when we were locked in together, that her dad, who

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Speaker 1: served in the Chinese military, probably was very close to

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Speaker 1: where my grandpa was during several parts of the war.

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Speaker 1: One of the things she said was like, well, I

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01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: don't think he was a very good shot, And I

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01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess I'm buck.

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Speaker 10: You're right.

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Speaker 1: Neither of them got the other. That would have been

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Speaker 1: real bad. But I don't know. Something hopeful on that, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, that was a terrible war. A lot to

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Speaker 1: say about all of the awful things that we're done

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Speaker 1: in that war. But yeah, we wound up hanging out

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Speaker 1: during the COVID year and supporting each other. That's nice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, there's your moment of hope.

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Speaker 2: Nothing about politics makes sense, right, nothing about politics, about history.

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Speaker 1: It's all fucking yeah, yeah, yeah, shit happens anyway for real. Yeah.

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