1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Our 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: colleague Noel is on an adventure but will be returning shortly. 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: super producer Dylan, the Tennessee Pal and original Jugglo Faked. 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you argue you are here. That makes this 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. If you 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: are tuning in to our listener mail program the evening 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: it publishes, Welcome and congratulations to all of us for 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: making it to May fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Spoiler Matt, 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Dylan and I are recording this on May ninth, so 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: we hope that things don't get too crazy in the 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: next few days before this publishes. But we've got we 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: got a lot to get to of course, you know, Matt. 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: It's our listener mail program, which means it's time for 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: one of our favorite parts of the show. 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: You specifically Brock, who says, can we get an update 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: on the humble Farmers are they still humble farmers. 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: I haven't wrote written back to Broc yat and thank 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: you for be the account of Bill of Buddy there. Yes, 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 3: it's a question on everyone's mind, right step aside, new Pope, right, 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: good job you had your time in the headlines. 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: We need more about the farmers humble or no. 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: Well we got good news, Brock thankfully. Oh man, it's 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: it's so nice that Bethesda has gifted us a whole 29 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: slew of humble farmers to check back in with. Yes, 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: because they just re released Oblivion. Yeah, and there's so 31 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: many humble farmers in that game. I don't know if 32 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: you guys noticed. And they're great. 33 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: They are, they are, you know, they're just keeping their 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: heads down, they're farming, humble. You know what more? What 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: more could you say other than we don't yet have 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: We don't yet have Oblivion's opinion on Ruda Bega's, but 37 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: we do have some inspiration for you. But that's the 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: courtesy of none other than the legendary Tennessee Pal never 39 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: gets old, never gets old ed ed folks, you know 40 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: you are our You are our friends, our neighbors, are 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist and we always aim to be transparent, 42 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: so you do need to know the most important thing 43 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: you will hear this evening. We are not stopping the 44 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: rude bega references. We are not stopping rudebega jokes. If 45 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: you want to write to us or call us with 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: ideas about new Ruta bega stuff for Dylan to write, 47 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: we welcome you. If you are writing to complain about 48 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: this bit, we'll do that thing Corporate America does where 49 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: we'll say we hear you, and then we'll keep doing 50 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: this bit exactly. 51 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: Ruda begas, by the way, have a two point two 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: out of five rating according to Google, what basically not 53 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: really our favorite this fresh Ruta begas, by the way, 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: and a single fresh Ruta bega at Walmart right now 55 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: costs approximately two dollars and ninety eight cents US. So 56 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: hopefully you're joining us in our pursuit to increase the 57 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: price of Ruta begas because we are trying to help 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: all these humble farmers out there, or just making Ruta 59 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: begas man. 60 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Also other name. You may know rudabagas by another name, 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: the humble turnip or the neap as they say in Scotland. 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: And I love that you're pointing this outmat because we 63 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: want this to be exactly the same kind of misstep 64 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: that we made earlier when we kept shouting out one 65 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: of my favorite books, The Atlas of Remote Islands, which 66 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: now is out of publication and relatively unaffordable. 67 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: Wait, so we kill things when we talk about them 68 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: a lot. 69 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: No, we accelerate, we platform and accelerate knowledge thereof Okay, Okay, 70 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: So hopefully this is going to be great. As you 71 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: said for the humble Farmers, We're also going to hear 72 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: from our pal Buford, We're going to hear from Lord 73 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: V and Fozzy. We're gonna hear from none other than 74 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the Shucks, bringing us one of our favorite slash most 75 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: terrifying hobby horses of conversation. Before we do any of that, 76 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: Matt Tennessee, fellow conspiracy realist, I suggest we take a 77 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: pause for a moment and appreciate the concept of democracy, 78 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: as imperfect as it is in practice. It's a pretty 79 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: pretty banger theory, and we've reluctantly perhaps acknowledged this on 80 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: the show in various times in the past. It is 81 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: historically abnormal to live in a country where you can 82 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: complain about the country without getting black bagged. That's an 83 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: a political point. It is a good thing if you 84 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: live in a country with that superpower assigned to its citizens. 85 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: But how long shall that be the case? 86 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: Well, let's jump into that, which sounds it's like so 87 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: much fun, super happy. 88 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: You know, we're we're basically like one of those softball 89 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: morning news shows, you know what I mean, only the 90 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: light issues, only the fun ones. 91 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: Softball light issues. Coming right up, and we've returned. Just 92 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: a quick note here as we begin, everybody on the 93 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: show looks at the correspondence that comes through from everyone, 94 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: all of us. We all look at it together, and 95 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: every once in a while we find things that make 96 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: us go, oh, that sounds interesting, or that's a rumor, 97 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: we should look into that kind of thing. A while back, 98 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: we got this message from Lord V. And to be honest, 99 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: I didn't think much of it initially, So let's jump 100 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: to that. And there's nothing against you, Lord V. It's 101 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: just I wasn't concerned at this moment. So here's the message. 102 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: Good morning, gentlemen. This is Lord V from Pennsylvania. Wanted 103 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: to run this past you guys to see information you 104 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: have on it. I keep getting these interesting posts about 105 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: our government's going to be institutionalizing a form of I 106 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 4: guess you would call it domestic protection a martial law 107 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: in our country, and I wanted to see if you 108 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: were aware of this. Whatever information you can find, you 109 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: greatly appreciate, jentleen, because this makes me very nervous. All right, 110 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: all right, gentlemen, have a great day and take care. 111 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: I just want to know these things. 112 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: So, first of all, thank you so much for sending 113 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: that to us, Lord Van, for having those thoughts. I 114 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: would just say, we hear that kind of thing a lot. 115 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: That concept of maybe United States wide martial law has 116 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: been or the threat of it, has been around for 117 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: decades and decades and decades, depending on what the political 118 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: situation is, what the geopolitical situation is. The threat or 119 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: concept of of countrywide martial law has just kind of 120 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: been sitting there, right, So when fears about it arise, 121 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: generally it's one of those things that we think about, 122 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: we take it seriously. Right, Maybe I'm speaking for everybody here. 123 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: We take it seriously. But also we're not that I 124 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: was going to say, we're not that worried about it. Well, 125 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: we got another message from Fozzi, this time with some specifics, 126 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: which has kind of led us down a rabbit hole. 127 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: So let's follow Fozzy's message to the rabbit hole. 128 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 5: Hello there, gentlemen, this is fast still a long time 129 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 5: government has recently put on its website something regarding possible 130 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 5: marcial law and empowering police officers and law enforcements in 131 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 5: that regards. It's even using the auspice of national security, which, 132 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 5: as we all know, gives them quite a lot of 133 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 5: power and money as well. So let me just share 134 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 5: this really quickly, drinks the name and unleashing America's law 135 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 5: enforcement to pursue criminals on White House dot gov. Check 136 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 5: it out. Please tell you guys what you got to say, 137 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 5: because really this kind of paints a picture that Ben 138 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 5: has been describing a little bit about how to get 139 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 5: possible on a little bit of terms promoting martial law 140 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 5: or something I seem to recall. Anyway, Please check this out. 141 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 5: All right, I'll talk to you guys later. 142 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, and there we go. That's Fozzy with some specifics. 143 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for calling in, Fozzy. What is being talked 144 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: about there in that message is an executive order that 145 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: was put out signed on April twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, 146 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: and it is indeed titled Strengthening and Unleashing America's law 147 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: enforcement to pursue criminals and protect innocent citizens. Anything we 148 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: want to talk about before we dive into that executive order? 149 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, this is coming at a highly divisive time 150 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: for the US public. The leveraging of executive orders, or 151 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: the issuance thereof, is always an inherently controversial thing in 152 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: American discourse, because it doesn't really matter what the executive 153 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: order is, political opponents will find will take issue with it, 154 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: will find a reason to take issue with it. That 155 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: being said, the idea here is worrisome to people who 156 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: feel it is a precedent or it's an attempt to 157 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: for into martial law, and Lord v. Fossierte love for 158 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: us to spend just little bit of time talking about 159 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: the concept of martial law in the United States. But 160 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: before we get to that, let's talk a little bit 161 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: about what this executive order means, especially in step with 162 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: the recent deputization of so many law enforcement agencies into ICE. 163 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, into ICE and specifically these things called hstfs, right, 164 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: or Homeland Security task Forces. Okay, yeah, again, this one 165 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: executive order exists alone. And to that point, Ben just 166 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: the concept of an executive order, people taking issue with it. 167 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: It is a an elected president and that administration basically 168 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: saying here's a new rule, here's what we're going to 169 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: be doing, rather than going through that lawmaking process that 170 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: generally would go through the other branches of government, right 171 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: or at least through Congress and the Senate and everything. 172 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: So it is a different situation for a lot of people, 173 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: especially those who oppose sitting administration. 174 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: And it's one of two concurrent executive orders, the other 175 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: being protecting American Communities from Criminal Aliens. 176 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: So the is a current step, yes, that one. Or 177 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: is that the protecting the American People against invasion that 178 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: was signed on January twentieth. 179 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: That's a different one. There's another one, Yeah, there are 180 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot. Again, there are a lot of eos here. 181 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: The one we're talking about protecting American Communities from criminal 182 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Aliens is signed on the same day as the Unleashing 183 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: law Enforcement one, both signed on April twenty eighth, so 184 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: a little more than a week after the one we 185 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: just mentioned, the protecting from Criminal Aliens EO. It's asking 186 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: or it's ordering federal agencies in the United States to 187 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: list state and local jurisdictions that are seen as limiting 188 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: cooperation with federal immigration enforcement, so called sanctuary cities. Right, 189 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: they're punishing sanctuary cities through the stick method of terminating 190 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: federal funds wherever you can for those cities, and so 191 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: on the same day, this act that Fozzy you're talking 192 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,239 Speaker 1: about in particular says, look, if you're a federal agency, 193 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: you need to expand support aka funding for state and 194 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: local law You need to increase training opportunities similar to 195 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: like a cop city kind of thing, and you need 196 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: to provide surplus military equipment while at the same time 197 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: providing more legal protection for officers on the ground. 198 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, to dive deeper into the strengthening and unleashing 199 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: America's law enforcement April twenty eighth Executive Order, just going 200 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: down there under section four and section six, those are 201 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: the two ones, the two sections that seem to be 202 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: troublesome here. Under section four A, it says they're going 203 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: to increase the provision of excess military national security assets 204 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: in local jurisdictions to assist state and local law enforcement, 205 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: which is the thing we talked about in the past 206 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: where when the military has too many tanks, ATVs whatever. 207 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: They can be sold to sheriff's departments and local police departments, 208 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: and that kind of thing that's been happening for decades. 209 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: They're saying within this provision, they're saying that's going to 210 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: happen more. And they're also determining how military national security assets, training, 211 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: non lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized 212 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: to prevent crime. 213 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: And they have ninety days to do so. 214 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: They do they do. The third thing, which is the 215 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: thing that gets that genuinely gets me a little worried, 216 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: is utilizing the Homeland Security task Forces that were formed 217 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: under that other executive order protecting the American people against invasion, 218 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: to coordinate and advance the objectives in this order, which 219 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: is to maintain law and order, and to do it 220 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: in a way that is intense. It would be the 221 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: way I would describe it. What it says in the 222 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: original order is quote, safe communities rely on the backbone 223 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: and heroism of a tough and well equipped police force. 224 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: My administration is steadfastly committed to empowering state and local 225 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: law enforcement to firmly police dangerous criminal behavior and protect 226 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: innocent citizens. The problem, I think with all of this 227 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: stuff is because it is language, is legal language that 228 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: can be interpreted, right, And who is innocent? Who is 229 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: an innocent citizen? Who is a dangerous criminal doing dangerous 230 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: criminal behaviors? What does that mean? How are those things defined? 231 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,479 Speaker 2: Who gets caught up when certain other things are outlawed? 232 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: Right? 233 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: Right now, all of the focus of these executive orders 234 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: are on individuals who are, at least according to the administration, 235 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: not American citizens. Right. What happens when that just shifts 236 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: a little bit and the language changes to someone who 237 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: opposes certain things, someone who does certain things? Right, it 238 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: feels as though, and I think to our callers, Lord 239 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: V and Fozzy and everybody else he's writing about this, 240 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: it feels as though, and maybe it is a bit 241 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: of a slippery slope argument, but it feels as though 242 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: that stuff could shift pretty quickly and in another executive 243 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: order could come out that alters what this stuff actually means. 244 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an interesting and salient argument or perspective. 245 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: It's one that we've talked about in the past, and 246 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: it's one that I am on record agreeing with apolitically 247 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: because we know that all historically all three branches of 248 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: the US government seek to empower themselves, right, and in 249 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: doing so, they often seek to erode the checks and 250 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: balances of the other two branches, whatever those branches may be. 251 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying one is better than the other, uh inherently, 252 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: but what we what we need to understand about the 253 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: concept of martial law. And it's always a worry, right 254 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: whenever a new presidential administration takes hold, even if they're 255 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: from the same party, there is always going to be 256 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: some contingent of the American populace worried that democracy will 257 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: fall descend into martial law. And it is mission critical, 258 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: Fozzy lord V. It's mission critical to remember that the 259 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: marshal like martial law, the removal of constitutional rights or 260 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: suspension thereof, has occurred at multiple points in US history, 261 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: even though it is still very much a young experiment 262 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: in the long term. Sure, we're talking about stuff like 263 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: the Battle of New Orleans, the time that leaders of 264 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: the LDS Church themselves declared martial law just in areas 265 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: they governed. So at times, not even not even the 266 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: executive branch declaring martial law, just a group of people 267 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: with enough influence over a specific geographic region. So we 268 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: know President Lincoln suspended the constitution specifically a habeas corpus. 269 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: During the Civil War. We know that striking like Union 270 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: fights resulted in limited martial law. Of course, the heroine 271 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: story of the state of Hawaii. Look at how all 272 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: to say before monologue there all to say, it happens quickly. 273 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens quickly. And this concept of the Homelandsecurity 274 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: Task Forces that the protecting the American people against invasion 275 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: executive order put in place are going to be in 276 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: all states nationwide. So it actually makes me less worried 277 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: about some countrywide crackdown, you know, a militarized rule type thing. 278 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: It makes me think about the nineteen seventy Kent State shooting. 279 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: It makes me think about those things, those times when 280 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: the National Guard was brought in when there's let's say, 281 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: what is described as a riot, right or in fact, 282 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: from another perspective, a peaceful protest, and then you have 283 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: these new things that can come in and act as 284 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: the police forces to crack down on what I would 285 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: say is opposing viewpoints, right dissent people who are gathering 286 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: together to protest what's happening in Gaza. Right people who 287 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: are gathering together to protest what's happening in the courts 288 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: or something like that, but it's happening on a citywide 289 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: or statewide level. That's what maybe is what I'm worried about, 290 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: that there would be this lever that could be pulled 291 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: from high up above that could act in every state 292 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: individually rather than one large sweeping Now every state is 293 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: controlled by this one thing, and there is no more democracy, 294 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: there's no more rule of law. 295 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: That's not yeah, yeah, I agree, that's not usually how 296 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: it would work currently. Right. The way it would work 297 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: currently would be to carry out what is seen as 298 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: retribution against so called sanctuary cities. Again, sanctuary cities are 299 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: communities that have said, hey, ICE is ICE and related 300 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: agencies are going overboard and not respecting things like due process. 301 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: Right when we talked about people who may not be 302 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: citizens but are legal residents of the US being deprived 303 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: of their rights, being exported or deported excuse me, in 304 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: some cases to places that are not their country of origin. 305 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: And we've actually we've been doing some work with this 306 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: on a wrong pul conviction, which do please check out 307 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: the show if you have a chance, If this interest you, 308 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: it is no secret that the US justice system is 309 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: are trudishly imperfect. And it's also I think, in the 310 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: age of social media, it is so devilishly dangerously tempting 311 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: for everybody to feel like you're in the pivotal third 312 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: act of a movie where everything goes terrible. When things 313 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: go wrong, they do go wrong quickly, but they often 314 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: don't occur with that cinematic snap that we love as screenwriters. Instead, 315 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: what we see are acts of retribution carried out against 316 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: people who are not marching to the correct tune that 317 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: the administration, whatever it may be, will want. You could 318 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: make now, this is dangerous and not everybody's gonna love it, 319 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: and I don't want to I don't want to talk 320 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: too much here, but the you could argue that under 321 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: various democratic administration, more conservative communities got punished with some 322 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: form of retribution or some form of, you know, an 323 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: ugly side of a quid pro quo, a tit for tat. 324 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: However this is and look, I appreciate everybody who wrote 325 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: in responding to my earlier question about whether or not 326 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: it is alarmist to see this as a slide into authoritarianism, 327 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: slide into you know, the dirty F word, fascism, things 328 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: like that. These are concerning not because necessarily of the 329 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: immediate language, but to that earlier point, they are concerning 330 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: because they provide opportunity and runway should things go in 331 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: a a specific direction. 332 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I think we did have 333 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: that movie moment already or starting to happen already with 334 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: the acquittal of three of the officers involved in the 335 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: murder of Tyree Nichols, because that just happened. This got 336 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 2: put out on April twenty eighth. Three of the officers 337 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: involved in his murder were acquitted like ten or twelve days. 338 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Later, and we're recorded on May ninth. 339 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: We are recording on May ninth, yesterday, May eighth is 340 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: when I've read the news at least that they were acquitted. 341 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: And just if you read the language within that executive 342 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: order says, when local leaders demonize law enforcement and impose 343 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: legal and political handcuffs that make aggressively enforcing the law impossible, 344 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: crime thrives, and innocent citizens and small business owners suffer. 345 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: And they're talking about establishing best practices at the state 346 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: and local level to on leash high impact local police 347 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: forces and to protect and defend law enforcement officers wrongly 348 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: accused and abused by state or local officials. So again 349 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: it's just it's different viewpoints and then putting the language 350 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: in there they would protect police officers if they did anything. 351 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: I don't know, like in the case of Tyree Nichols 352 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: who was killed on camera. By the way, he's beaten 353 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: to near death on camera and then died later. Anyway, 354 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: all this stuff just worries me. And just the concept 355 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: of more military vehicles rolling up for you know, protests 356 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: and things like that makes me really uneasy. So we'll see. 357 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much Lord V and Fozzy for sending 358 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: us those messages. We'll be right back after a message 359 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 2: from our sponsors. 360 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: And we have returned. We're also not returning alone. We're 361 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: bringing a guest of sorts back on the show, none 362 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: other then Big Shucks. And by way of Big Shucks, 363 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: we're also going to hear from our old pal, Jordan Harbinger. Now, Matt, 364 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: you may recall low several years ago you and I 365 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to go hang out with Jordan on air. 366 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm still mad that I had the wrong setting on 367 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: my MIC. Just heads up to everyone, but it's still 368 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: a fascinating conversation. 369 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that conversation. 370 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: Well, so our pal Shucks says, hey, guys, this is insane. 371 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember the figure thrown out, but allegedly ninety 372 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: five percent of cobalt is unethically extracted cobalt from the DRC, 373 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: the Democratic Republic of Congo and then smuggled through Rwanda. 374 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: And this is something conspiracy of which all big tech 375 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: companies are aware. Shucks, You then introduce us and therefore 376 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: all our fellow conspiracy realists. To transcript of this episode. 377 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: This is part of a fantastic series that Jordan has 378 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: created called Out of the Loop, and in Out of 379 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: the Loop episodes, Jordan and his guest dig into something 380 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: kind of like strange news, current events that aren't really 381 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: well reported in the West, either due to lack of 382 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: interest or in my opinion, sometimes due to dedicated enthusiasm 383 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: for not informing the public. And in this conversation, the 384 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: Shucks so wonderfully points us to Jordan. Harbinger speaks with 385 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: two investigative journalists, Nathan Paul Southern and Lenzy Kennedy, and 386 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: they talk about the DRC and Rwanda. They specifically talk 387 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: about something called the M twenty three militia. Delia has 388 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: been around for a little bit, right, they've been they've 389 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: been around the block a few times, and they've been 390 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: taking over parts of the country that have access to 391 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: let's call them valuable mineral resources, so not quite rare 392 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: earth metals in the case of cobalt, but still resources 393 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: that are mission critical for all the modern electronics you 394 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: could imagine, computer chips, electric vehicles. The way that you're 395 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: able to listen to this podcast, which statistically speaking for 396 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: most of us, is going to be on a mobile device. 397 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about gold, coal, tan, and not cobalt, 398 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: but other minerals as well. 399 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and we know that this is this has 400 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: always been a calculation, especially in recent decades, for geopolitical 401 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: instability and freedom fighters or terrorist groups, especially when you 402 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: get into their murky funding, right like, how like it's 403 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: the old question that happens in Latin America so often. 404 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: How did these students become so highly trained in tradecraft 405 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: and you know, their political leanings purported or actual aside? 406 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: How did they get those guns? How did they get 407 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: that equipment? 408 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: You know, what are those conflict free guns? 409 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Right? Right? Right? Those are those ethically raised, gluten free, 410 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: free range Ak's and Kalishnikov's time will tell. This is 411 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: what these journalists find when they're speaking with Jordan, and 412 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: please do listen to the episode. The guy does great 413 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: work and we're not blowing smoke. We're just fans of 414 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: the show. The journalists we mentioned earlier, that being Kennedy 415 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: and Southern, they find that there is some connection between 416 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom's Rwanda refugee resettlement program and the new 417 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: resurgence of M twenty three. M twenty three had previously 418 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: gone kind of dark. We're not saying everybody got arrested 419 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: or went to the International Criminal Quart or anything. We're 420 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: say they laid low. 421 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: Interesting, So then this new thing comes through, this new 422 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: program sponsored where the UK comes through, and then they're back. 423 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, exactly. Yeah. The timing suggests that funding 424 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: from this United Kingdom resettlement program may have, in one 425 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: way or another provided funding to the M twenty three movement. 426 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: And let's talk a little bit about those folks too, 427 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: because they are M twenty three aviation for the March 428 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: twenty third Movement or March twenty three Movement. They're also 429 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: known as the Congolese Revolutionary Army. They are a rebel 430 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: paramilitary group. They are backed by forces in Rwanda, as 431 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: far as we know, relatively young in that they were 432 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: formed in twenty twelve, and they're largely constituted of former 433 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: Congolese soldiers who came from Rwandan and Congolese communities in 434 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: the northern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo. And 435 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: they originally, at least according to their statements, they wanted 436 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: better representation within this area of the country. Rwanda is 437 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: allegedly leveraging. Like here's the focus or the speculation, the 438 00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy is that Rwanda is allegedly stealing these precious resources 439 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: from the Democratic Republic of Congo, taking them across the 440 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: border illicitly, and then saying, yeah, we mind all of 441 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: this in Rwanda, which means it's conflict free, which means hey, Tesla, 442 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: hey Apple, you can use these and you won't have 443 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: any dirty MacBooks. 444 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: Dang if they're doing okay. So I'm imagining a scenario 445 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: where it's known locally that this is what's happening, and 446 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: somebody is getting paid enough to make the minerals crossing 447 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: borders like that make sense to them, Like where it's 448 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: initially coming from. And then those are now conflict free, 449 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: which means then they can get sold at a premium. 450 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: And then we also see yeah, I would agree with 451 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: that chain of custody. There we also see the emergence 452 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: of pmc's private military contractors from a bevy of places. 453 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: Of course, even with the continuing conflict in Ukraine, Russia 454 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: is by hook Er by Crook, invested in parts of 455 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: the African continent. Of course, various US billionaires leading tech 456 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: companies need to keep making their products. So in this conversation, 457 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: which again please do tune in, folks, in this conversation, 458 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: we witness an exploration of how understanding things that could 459 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: be called conspiracies can help you or challenge you to 460 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 1: make more ethical consumer choices. But that's a very easy 461 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: thing to say. It's a very difficult thing to do. 462 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not just talking Coldtan, We're also talking 463 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, like you said, cobalt gold, a bevy of 464 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: other things. We know that these are stories the best 465 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: honestly seems like they don't want to hear pretty often, right, 466 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: we like our conflicts easily explained in the first sixty 467 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: seconds and easily theoretically solved in the next three minutes. 468 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: We like new iPhones, and that's. 469 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: Kind of a hazard of the low attention economy, right, 470 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: in which so many ephemeral conversations thrive. We know that 471 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: the United Nations, in their opinion, has Rwanda dead to 472 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: rights on the March twenty third movement. They believe Rwanda 473 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: as the state actor created and commanded this rebel group 474 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: to get up to Shenanigan's. However, the next question, the 475 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: unavoidable question there is who helped to Rwanda do that? 476 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: Did they do it on their own? Were they pushed? 477 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: Were they encouraged? Was there someone holding an elbow and 478 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: whispering into the ear of the leaders? Unfortunately, in this 479 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: kind of milieu, that is an unavoidable question that has 480 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: to be asked, even though a lot of people would 481 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: prefer it not be brought up in conversation. 482 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. In the end, who benefits? 483 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: Right, que bono? 484 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: Where do those materials actually go? 485 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: Right? They go, They go to you, They go to you, 486 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: the consumer, in a way that can be very difficult 487 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: to parse. You know that you're not ever, you will 488 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: not currently see a sticker on a smartphone or in 489 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: the window of a car to a dealership that says, hey, 490 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: just you know, fair notice, we got all the stuff 491 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: to make this without you know, destroying innocent communities. You're 492 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: never going to see the opposite of that, like I 493 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: if that would happen a conflict mining warning, like a 494 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: tobacco advisory that says, hey warning, by the way, more 495 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: people than you know died for this cell phone. 496 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: Well yeah, twenty off, twelve dozen villages were attacked in 497 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: getting these. Yeah, that's that's messed up. 498 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: But I think this also occurred. This is the reason 499 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: why it doesn't feel wing nut to ask some of 500 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: these questions, because we know, especially Western or US based 501 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: tech companies are scrambling to find alternative resource supply chains 502 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: right as as currently look China, you'll often hear that 503 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: the nation of China controls the rare earth game, and 504 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: that is true. But there's an important piece of the 505 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: puzzle that also doesn't really get shared out as often 506 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: as it should, which is the following. The US also 507 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: has access to stores of these resources as to China. 508 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: The issue is that environmental regulation. I know I sound 509 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: crazy when I say this. The issue is that environmental 510 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 1: regulations and policies in the US prevent the same kind 511 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: of manufacturing and harvesting and processing of these raw resources, 512 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: so the US could if those regulations were repealed, the 513 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: US could spin up some of this stuff, but it 514 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: would have hard and measurable environmental consequences. The nation of 515 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: China exists under a different regime of policies, so that's 516 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: why they were able to become the world supplier. 517 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the US could just sign a 518 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 2: big deal with oh, I don't know, Ukraine and then 519 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: gain access to the moneies and materials being mined out 520 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 2: of that country if they provide lots and lots of 521 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 2: money for weapons. 522 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,959 Speaker 1: As we discussed earlier, called it a quid pro quo there, 523 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: and it's similar to like a len lease agreement of old. 524 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: It's also a what's the best way to say it, 525 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: it's a it's a promise for action in the future 526 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: or or words in the future, and it's always in 527 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: human civilization, it's always easy to promise people the moon 528 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: and stars in the future because you don't actually have 529 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: to provide the moon and stars when you sign the thing. 530 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 4: You know. 531 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's making me think about all the companies 532 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 2: that we don't know the names of that actually process 533 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 2: these materials, you know, because it's when an Apple or 534 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 2: a Tesla or a Google gets those materials are there. Well, 535 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I'm fully wrong in my mind. 536 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 2: Those companies don't do that, the actual processing and building 537 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: of the things they buy, the microprocessors they buy. We 538 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: talked about that with the chips episode a little bit 539 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: redne deep into who's actually making the chips. They go 540 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 2: into all the things that all the big companies buy, 541 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: you know, then they buy. 542 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: And how does it get from how so China controls 543 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: ninety percent of rare earth processing. I was digging into 544 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: some mining trade publications and some of their research. I'd 545 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: recommend reading an article that came out today. Actually wow, 546 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: I guess started early in the morning today on May night, 547 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: as we record this mining technology by Caroline Peachey, exploring 548 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: US efforts to find a secure supply of rare earth elements. 549 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: As we're pointing out, it's not that other countries can't 550 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: have this stuff in the ground, it's that China is 551 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: better at processing it right now, sort of like how 552 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: you can have tons of bubbling crude, to quote the 553 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: Beverly hillbillies on the land, but you need it to 554 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: be refined, and extracting the crude and refining the crude 555 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: are two different skill sets, right, and they both have 556 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: their own knock on consequences. This also leads us to 557 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: another story. This was from earlier March seventeenth, twenty twenty five. 558 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: Interesting engineering. Big shout out to the journalist Amir Colom 559 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: who reported this is one of the first times I 560 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: had heard of this reported that the US has found 561 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: eight point four billion dollars worth of rare earths in 562 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: coal ash landfills here in the goal US of a. 563 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: We've been sitting on it for a while and now 564 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: all we have to do is figure out how to 565 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: navigate the faustian bargain right of processing that stuff, knowing 566 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: that it's it's bad for the people living there. 567 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: I want to look into coal ash dump sites now. 568 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: M yeah, it sounds like perfect insult too you coal. 569 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 2: Ash dump dump side. 570 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: But this is uh, this coal ash stuff, which yeah, 571 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: maybe we should research further. We know it has a 572 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: million tons of rare earth elements, which is already nearly 573 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: eight times the US is known domestic reserve. And again, 574 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: rare earth elements or minerals. This is a group term 575 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: that we've discussed in the past, so it means more 576 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: than one thing. It means a lot of stuff you 577 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: might really you wouldn't call them, like the main characters 578 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: of the periodic table dysprosium, gadolinium, luteum, samarium, scandium, turbium, 579 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: and of course yetrium. I saved yettrium for the end, 580 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 1: Like when you hear the cast of an ensemble film, 581 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: it's like and Tommy Lee Jones and gytrium and then 582 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: someone yeah, yeah, yeah, not to be confused with uterbium, 583 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: which is somehow also a real thing. 584 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations, we did it. 585 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: Congratulations we did it, And shout out to Oh gosh, 586 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: lest we cast aspersion. Shout out to Tennessee pal who 587 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: got so excited and said, my boy, yetrium. So you've 588 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: got a big fan here. We would love to hear 589 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: from you regarding this, folks. I know we ran a 590 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: little bit long on this part, but it's an important 591 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: conversation that needs to continue, because there is literally stuff 592 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know at play here and 593 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: the world hinges upon it. So write to us, contact us, 594 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: tell us your thoughts, especially if you have PMC experience 595 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: or mining experience. We want to hear how all these 596 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: red strings vibrate and connect. While you're doing that, take 597 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: a pause for a word from our sponsors, and we'll 598 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: be back with a little bit more listener mail. All right, 599 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: we've returned. We spent some time on some very serious things. 600 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear your thoughts. While we're doing that, 601 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: We're going to round out tonight's program with a lovely 602 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: little letter from home. It turns out very good news, guys. 603 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: We have a new expert joining us. We love to 604 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: collect experts. We've got some physicists, We've got some meteorologists, 605 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: We've got truckers, We've got people from all sorts of professions. 606 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 1: Shout out to our aviators as well, Matt Dylan. We 607 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: got some clown love recently from Youuford. Who I will? 608 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: I'll share this letter and then I'll nominate them to 609 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: be our go to expert for one of the most 610 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: phenomenal musical movements in recent US history? Are we ready? 611 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: Can we guess what it is? 612 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 2: I tave Matthews band, I don't. 613 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: Know DMB, DMB. We do need a DMB director is 614 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: to or corresponded. At least here we go. Let her 615 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: from home. Beauford says, Hello, Ben Nolan, Matt, it's Beauford again. 616 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: As always, feel free to use my name and message 617 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: on air. Nice. I am writing to offer a correction 618 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: to what Ben said on the recent listener mail segment. 619 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: The Insane Clown Posse did not come out as a 620 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: Christian band per se. Thank you for that correction, Buford. 621 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: We prize that sort of stuff, Beewford. You continue in 622 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: the song Thy Unveiling, they do say that their message 623 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: is about God. However, Violent Jay has since gone on 624 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: record saying that he regrets using specifically Christian terminology. And 625 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: that's what I was referring to right when he was 626 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: saying the big reveal of the Malinko and the Carnival. 627 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 1: So they did originally say that, but now they regret it. Okay, 628 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: but they don't throw the whole thing out. As Beauford continues, 629 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: the point was more about believing in some higher being. However, 630 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: they the Insane Clown Posse, take issue with the hierarchy 631 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: of the church and do not advocate for any specific 632 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: religion or denomination, similar to a more Buddhist outlook. And 633 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: I love that point, Buford, because I can't remember if 634 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: I mentioned it on air. I recently accidentally got baptized 635 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: into Buddhism. Anyway, Buford says, it's about finding your own 636 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: path to God and not promoting their own ICP's personal views. 637 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: With how often the subject of juggalos seems to come 638 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: up for you, guys, I do volunteer my services to 639 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: be your resident Juggalo fact checker. I have been down 640 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: with the clown as they say, since I was a 641 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: young lad, since the Jekyl brother era. And yes I 642 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 1: do have the hatchet man tattoo. Love what you fellas do. 643 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work much clown love, Buford. I 644 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,919 Speaker 1: don't know, Matt. I'm persuaded. What do you think? 645 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I have two questions. What is the Jeckyl 646 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 2: brother era? Is that an album or a song? Is 647 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,760 Speaker 2: that a I don't know that. The Amazing Jekyl Brothers 648 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 2: is the fifth studio album by the Insane Cloud Posse. Okay, 649 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 2: so that was nineteen ninety nine. Thank you Eilands for 650 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 2: that second question. Have you, Buford, ever taken a helicopter 651 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 2: ride at one of the gatherings? Because we need to 652 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 2: know about that. How good was the helicopter ride? 653 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I remember also Buford, you'll 654 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: enjoy this. Guys and I went through a phase where 655 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: we would watch the very long infomercials for ICP gatherings 656 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: every year. Every year. It was the closest we had 657 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: to an established religion. I also, you know, I'll always 658 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: have a special part in my heart for Vanilla Ice 659 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: dressed up as an alien, remember that one. 660 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember all the hits. Oh, they swim through 661 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 2: my consciousness like some sort of clowns that swim. 662 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Mr clowns. I think they're called. Oh. I 663 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 1: love that idea too. That's my new favorite cryptid. Imagine 664 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: you're lost at sea in the eighteen hundreds and then 665 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: you say, hey, that mermaid looks kind of goofy, and 666 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: then the old first made is like a maybe you 667 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: see that not to be a merriment. It is a 668 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: mirror clown is you can hear you can hear the 669 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: honkin in the night? 670 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 3: Oh man, why is that so much scarier than a mermaid? 671 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 2: It really is. It's such a beautiful movement that brings 672 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 2: together like you in all the positive things of the 673 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 2: Rainbow family with like Ringling brothers. Somehow, I don't know. 674 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 2: It just makes me so happy. It's very it's a 675 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 2: very positive. 676 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: Movement, unfairly characterized as domestic terrorism by the FBI. We 677 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: have to say that, yes, and and you know, the 678 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: the energy is, as he said, quite inclusive. And even 679 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: if you know what's funny is we have these conversations 680 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: and even if you're not a fan of this very 681 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: specific genre of horror core inspired music, yeah, have to. 682 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: And even if you know how madness work, you have 683 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that they make a concerted effort to welcome 684 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: everyone that they can with that. An example of that, 685 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 1: we got a surprise from Tennessee pal. He just sent 686 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: us his let's see what'd you call this? Oh? His 687 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: favorite tweet assumingly favorite tweet of all time from the 688 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: official Insane Clown Posse account quote, I don't care what 689 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: we've said in our raps, women come number one. We 690 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: all owe our lives to wemon. 691 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 2: That can't be real. There's no way that's real, Dylan, 692 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 2: he says, it's real with. 693 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: So many exclamation marks. That's why it's your favorite. That's 694 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: wemond spelled w E M o n by the way. 695 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 2: Wemon, maybe they just mean like climax first. Is that 696 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 2: what they mean. 697 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: I think they mean, despite you know, the shock nature 698 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: of some of the lyrical content, that in real life 699 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: they are not misogynists. 700 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's. 701 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 1: Nice unless wemon are different from women, which is unclear. 702 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: We want to rhyme with peymon by the way, the 703 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: way it's spelled us, that's what we've got. I don't know. 704 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: Let's let's vote right now and you can vote with us, folks. Uh, 705 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: the Court, I nominate Beauford to be our ongoing ICP 706 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:11,720 Speaker 1: subject matter expert. Do we have any eyes? Nay's a's eyes. 707 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 2: I have two eyes for you. 708 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: There we go, okay, and Dylan does the thumbs up. Judges, 709 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: can we accept that? Okay, Yeah, it looks like we're good. 710 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: Congratulations Beauford. Thank you to Big Shucks, thank you to 711 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 1: Lord V, thank you to Fozzy, Thank you to everybody 712 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: who took the time to join our continuing and increasingly 713 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 1: strange endeavor here. 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