1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I never told you, Production by 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: Heart Radio, and welcome to Pride Month. It's June second. 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: As we record this, I'm wearing my ACE shirt, which 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: is very cool. It is cool. I should get my 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: pin here just for you. 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: I enjoy it. I like I get a show every 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: time of like whatever seasonal thing is happening or topic 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about, come to whatever. 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: I'm super into it the moment. Yeah, yes, Well, unfortunately 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: this isn't a happy episode necessarily, but it's just updates 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: on some things that are happening in in the queer community. 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: It's not complete by any means, because a lot is happening, 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: and we've talked about some of those things on this 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: very show, and I'm sure we'll come back and return 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: to them as things continue to change. So just content warning, 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: like we're not going to go to in depth in anything. 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: But if you're just kind of tired of hearing about 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: like homophobic politicians and people passing bad laws, then I'm 20 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 2: with you, I understand. But that's we're mostly talking about 21 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: that and some of the things within companies that are happening, 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 2: and then some of the things that are happening with censorship, 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: So just to put that out there also because things 24 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: are rapidly changing. The date is June second, twenty twenty three. 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: I just want to say that, So it's going to 26 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: be about almost a week before you hear this, and 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: I know things will probably have changed in that time, right, Yes, 28 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: but we wanted to start with the wave of anti 29 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: drag laws that are happening. So in April twenty twenty three, 30 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: Tennessee became the first state to ban jack shows in 31 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: public spaces, although drag was never used in there specifically, 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: but that's really what they were going for. At least 33 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: fourteen other states introduced similar measures from time. Quote, a 34 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: language across the numerous bills, is similar to the Tennessee bill, 35 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: which prohibits quote adult cabaret performances in public spaces where 36 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: miners could watch. In Tennessee's bill, adult cabaret is defined 37 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: as adult oriented performances that include quote male or female impersonators. 38 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: It redefines drag art as a morbid and shameful interest 39 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: in sex, which is an actual legal term that they used. Yeah, 40 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: the day before it was passed, it was blocked for 41 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: being quote too broad by a federal judge who is 42 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: a Trump appointed judge. Some people are taking that as 43 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: like there's some kind of hope here. I don't know. 44 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: That's interesting. I know we'll talk about it later. But yeah, 45 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: several Republican politicians have actually done good things or unexpected 46 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: things that I've been very surprised by. So feels like 47 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: there's a glimmer in this madness. I'm going to clean 48 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: to that glimmer. 49 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: Okay. 50 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: So a local drag theater group of friends of George 51 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: filed a suit against it from the Guardian, they said 52 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: the law prohibits a drag performer wearing a crop top 53 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: and mini skirt from dancing where miners might see it, 54 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: their complaint notes, but does not prohibit a Tennessee Titans 55 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: cheerleader wearing an identical outfit from performing the exact same 56 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: dance in front of children, which I was gonna ask, like, 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: have they done the same kind of thing for any 58 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: like cis hetero entertainment? 59 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: Well, they brought up wrestling as well. Yeah, this kind 60 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: of thing that they're talking about banning happens in wrestling, 61 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: So no they have. But the conversation. 62 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: Volleyball, soccer, uniforms like they don't have crop tops, but 63 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: they often short shorts. 64 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 65 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: So the ACLU of Tennessee tweeted, we are concerned that 66 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: government officials could easily abuse this law to censor people 67 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: based on their own subjective viewpoints of what they deem appropriate, 68 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: chilling and protect a speech and sending a message to 69 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: LGBTQ tityseums that they are not welcomed in our state. 70 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: And this also speaks to how these laws could be 71 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: used to target trans people for simply existing in the 72 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 2: face of so many other attacks they're already under, including 73 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: bands on gender affirming care and trans people's rights in general. 74 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: So like the same, I believe the same day this 75 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: governor passed a law banning gender affirming care. So some 76 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: people think this is sort of like, I mean, it 77 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: is very dangerous, absolutely, but some people think it's also 78 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: kind of distracting from that too. But yeah, after the 79 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: after the bill passed, photo surfaced of Governor Billy who 80 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: is the one who signed it, doing drag in high school. 81 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: One of his spokespeople said in response, the bill specifically 82 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: protects children from obsceeen sexualized entertainment in any attempt to 83 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: conflate this serious issue with light hearted school traditions is 84 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: dishonest and disrespectful to Tennessee families. 85 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: The hypocrisy, this is just for fun, right women most likely? Yes. 86 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: Are we demeaning women in a way, yes, but this 87 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: it's harmless. 88 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, not sexist or expecting Tennessee families. And it is 89 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: part of like we've talked about this too, the really 90 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: gross grooming argument, where that protecting the children line comes 91 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: up a lot, including it is used by organizations like 92 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: GAYE against groomers, which is an unfortunate thing. I had 93 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: to research doing this, which they're posting people in drag 94 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: and they said, quote they directly opposes the sexualization and 95 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: indoctrination of children. This includes drag Queen's story hours, drag 96 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: shows involving children, the transitioning and medicalization of miners, and 97 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: gender theory being taught in the classroom. 98 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Gender theory. Yeah, I know we're not supposed to laugh, 99 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: and I know this is really bad, but the way 100 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: they phrase things is so absurd and people can take 101 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: this all different ways. So at this point, talking about 102 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: gender and having people talk about heteronormative ideas is gender theory. 103 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: So you'd best not be talking about that, right. 104 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: A lot of people have brought that up too, But 105 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: like going back to the hypocrisy of like, well, you 106 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: talk about intersection people all the time, and that's not 107 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: like outside of gender theory. 108 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: You're teaching women to be the why or women's career focus. 109 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: That's a gender theory, which is what they want to promote. 110 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly, And it goes hand in hand with what 111 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: we've been seeing. We have book banning, which we talked 112 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: about in a previous episode and we will discuss a 113 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: little bit more towards the end. And some of these 114 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: laws that we're seeing specifically call out promoting obscenity, which 115 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: is essentially just advertising. So one of the big things 116 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: we've seen from this is so much fear and uncertainty 117 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 2: that companies or venues won't host any drag events anymore 118 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: because they don't know, right. 119 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I believe Department of Defense typically had a drag show 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: yearly and they canceled it this year if I remember correctly. 121 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: During Pride month. 122 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, there's a lot of concerns that a 123 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: lot of Pride events are going to get canceled because 124 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: of these laws. And I mean it's serious consequences. Some 125 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: of the prison sentences in them are up to ten 126 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: years in prison. The person would be registered as sex 127 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: offender and finds of up to twenty thousand dollars and 128 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: then that's also going along with the venue facing fines 129 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: and things like that. There has been some several celebrities 130 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: have spoken out about it. I know Lizo was a 131 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: really big came out against it. And then I wanted 132 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: to include this because it goes along with what we've 133 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: been talking about with religion. So Nebraska's has a proposed 134 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: anti drag legislation. So here's a quote about it from Time. 135 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: The bill was later amended by Senator Meghan Hunt to 136 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: prohibit children for participating in Bible studies, church camp, or 137 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: other religious programs. Quote. The legislature finds that there is 138 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: a well documented history of indoctrination and sexual abuse perpetrated 139 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: by religious leaders and clergy people upon children. 140 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: It's true. True. Let's talk about the fact that the 141 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary was supposed to be thirteen or twelve, twelve or. 142 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: Thirteen, Oh my gosh, that Jesus, yeah wow. 143 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: And this is from the Guardian and we've talked about 144 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: this before last year, the Southern Baptist Convention released a 145 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: list of over seven hundred of their ministers accused of 146 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: sexual abuse, with many of the ministers in Tennessee. And 147 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: that's just one denomination. There's no record, not a single 148 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: documented instance of a child ever being harmed or abused 149 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: at a drag show. Statistically speaking, children are far safer 150 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: at a drag Queen story hour than at church. Yet 151 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: we aren't attempting to legislate whether parents can take children 152 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: to church. How is this protecting children? And, like we 153 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: talked about it before, a lot of the grooming comes 154 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,479 Speaker 1: within the church. 155 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: Right right, and this the people they interviewed within this article, 156 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: it goes on to bring up gun violence and like 157 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: the things we've seen in Timnasee and around mass shootings, 158 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: and how despite that this governor, Tennessee governor recently signed 159 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: a permitless carry bill. Even though like they also went 160 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: into so many of these things we talk about, We 161 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: have all of these polls that indicate people are on 162 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: the opposite side. So people don't want like the banning 163 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: of drag shows. People don't want people being able to 164 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: carry guns without a permit, Like this is going against 165 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: the will of the people they're supposed to represent. 166 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: And the amount of children that have died just from 167 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: old folks. And I'm saying old folks being scared that 168 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: the people are in their driveway or walking next to 169 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: or going near and an amount of good Christian folks 170 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: are the ones that's shooting and getting away with it. 171 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: Yep. 172 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hate I hate it. 173 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: It's very frustrating. 174 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: It's just the thing. So there is a history of this. 175 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: NPR has a good breakdown. As early as eighteen sixty three, 176 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco had a law abanning someone from being in 177 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: public if they're wearing clothing different from what is typically 178 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: associated with their legal or assigned gender. These laws were 179 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: used as a way of control not only of gender 180 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: identity and performance, but if you were arrested, then you 181 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: had a criminal record that can make it really difficult 182 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: to obtain jobs. And I was gonna say that about 183 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: the sex vender registry. This seems like a good idea, 184 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: but oftentimes some of it is good and some of 185 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: it is just a witch hunt, and some of it 186 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: is just going after marginalized communities. And I say this 187 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: as a former law enforcement kind of on the outskirts 188 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: of law enforcements and seeing what these do, like it's 189 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: targeting people. Don't get me wrong, true pedophiles teld molestors 190 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: who are mostly from the church. Heteral men need to 191 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: be known. But what we see more often than that, 192 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: especially if they do this with the anti drag laws, 193 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: they are targeting for a reason. 194 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: Right, And so much of this is incredibly infuriating too, 195 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: because I mean, at one time women couldn't wear pants. 196 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: Like it's just this whole idea of like what's typically 197 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: associated with their legal or assigned gender. Right, that's like 198 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: stuff that changes and that we kind of made up, 199 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: like completely made up. Yeah, that's the whole kind of 200 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 2: performance of gender. That's sort of but it's not everyone 201 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: agrees on what that is. So that's just it makes 202 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: me mad. And as I said, there are a lot 203 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: of worries about pride parades getting canceled. I saw a 204 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: story about it today in Florida where they don't think 205 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to do it because they're worried 206 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: about this. Yeah, which it's I kind of got torn 207 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: in my head about it because it's one of those 208 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: things where I'm like, this is not the biggest issue. 209 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: A lot of this stuff we're talking about is just 210 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: part of a bigger targeting of the queer community and 211 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: especially trans people, and so it's like tragic, like a 212 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: Pride parade gets canceled, especially because of these things, but 213 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: there are It's just I don't want that to be 214 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: the only headline we're taking from this. 215 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: But I think it comes back to the point that 216 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: it took a violent event for Pride parades and things 217 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: to come about. So it's not just like it's a 218 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: swell thing. It took a violent event for this to 219 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: come out. This came it was born from the Stonewall riot, 220 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: and we need to have that conversation about like this 221 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: is not about showing off, which we have talked about 222 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: before that. I had had a discussion with my own parents, 223 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: who at one point in time seemed okay with the 224 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: queer community and kind of accepting of it, and they're like, okay, cool, cool, cool, 225 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: And then this rhetoric came back as of recently, and 226 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: I got the why do they have to put it 227 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: in our face? Why do they have to have a parade? 228 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you don't even know when it is? 229 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: Tell me when when is it, So, how's it in 230 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: your face? But literally coming back to this in this 231 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: narrative of like they're just trying to show off, Like no, 232 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: they're celebrating because they had to fight to get to 233 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: this point. It's it's it is dangerous because this is 234 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: a silence and this is going against the rights of 235 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: individuals in general. 236 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and I mean it is super important. I 237 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: don't want to make it because people have a lot 238 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: of queer people feel very isolated, and so when you 239 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: have a moment like that where you kind of get 240 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: to meet other queer people and you get to be proud, 241 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: right and have those conversations, that is no small thing. 242 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: I will say, it's gotten to corporate, like when you 243 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: go to a vibrate everyone is themed like at and 244 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: t Like, what the hell does that have to do? 245 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: What? 246 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's one of the big conversations about it 247 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: is that it's kind of gotten away from right, which 248 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: we are going to talk about in a second. Actually, 249 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: and I did read it. I wanted to include one 250 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: other thing from The Guardian where they were talking to 251 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: an owner of a theater company in Tennessee, Ale because 252 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: they were making the point like this impacts non queer 253 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: folks too, apart from it being a humans rights thing 254 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: that you should care about. But also, here's the quote, 255 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: can we still produce Peter Pan with a female Pan? 256 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: Can we do missus doubtfire? Is it okay for us 257 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: to put on Shakespeare the way was traditionally performed? But 258 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: also I have a feeling is going to be very 259 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: specifically targeted when they enforce it and when they don't. 260 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: Obviously, Yeah, but. 261 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Let's talk about the corporate aspect 262 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: you were discussing, because we have seen a lot of 263 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: company backlash, and I've seen several articles that have made 264 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: the point because this is also you know, I feel 265 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: like a lot of times these take up a lot 266 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: of space, and here I am talking about it. But 267 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting in that a lot of the 268 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: articles I've read had said this just shows how toxic 269 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: and how much backwards were going, because this didn't used 270 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: to be kind of such a big flash point for companies. 271 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: Companies could usually have something for Pride Month, and they 272 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: didn't experience as much backlash as they are now. So 273 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: I do want to say, like at the top of this, 274 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: it is weird to me companies trying to cash in 275 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: on pride, and I don't no. I mean, obviously, I 276 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: guess these aren't sponsors. I don't necessarily support them. But yeah, 277 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: as someone who works for a big company, you and 278 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: I talk about this all the time because we get 279 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: requests like this all the time, not just for Pride, 280 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: like for every like whatever the month is, we get 281 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: a request about it, and we're always like, well, what, 282 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: like back it up? What are you just saying these things? 283 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: Like what give us some kind of because a lot 284 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 2: of times they'll say like, we're donating to this, and 285 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, how much are you donating? How often are 286 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: you donating? Like and then we never hear back. 287 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: You right, and then just looking at the track record 288 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: and you realize who they play both sides, y e. 289 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: Right. So at the end of the day, these are companies. 290 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: They are looking to make money. They are not consistent. 291 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 2: They often donate to all kinds of opposing things, right, 292 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: So they're not allies. They're just not. But okay, they 293 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: could do a lot better. I'll say that. And let's 294 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 2: start with bud Light. I know it's old news now 295 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: you've all heard about it, that bud Light faced a 296 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: huge backlash after sending trans influencer Dylan Ulvany a can 297 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: of beer with her face on it, and she showed 298 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 2: it during an Instagram post. It was a very typical Instagram. 299 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: An endorsement, like she really wasn't making really much money 300 00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: other than TikTok money. 301 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: No, It's like it was just such a like, oh, yeah, 302 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: there you go. It's a normal video and. 303 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: The amount of people throwing out cans of beer, like 304 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: you already bought it, dude, do you really think that's 305 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: doing something right? Not knowing that Anheuser Busch is a 306 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: giant company that most of the beers that you're drinking 307 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: so calm us down. 308 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: And like a lot of other stuff too. They own 309 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: a lot. 310 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: And what's so funny is this did not make any 311 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: I don't think any of the liberal people going I 312 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: have to go buy Budweiser, Like that wasn't a thing 313 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: like that didn't We were like, Okay. 314 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: No, the whole thing is so ridiculous and it's so 315 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: performative and it's so incredibly a waste of time. And yeah, 316 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: there was like all of these videos that were getting 317 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: posted of people shooting beer. 318 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: Which is a thing by the way, we had a 319 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: local brewery that did that because they got complaints about 320 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: their beer and so they're mad and they shot up 321 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: their beer with Ak's were like, why do this? 322 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: Why does it makes sense? 323 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 324 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: And honestly, though, the biggest thing that we should talk 325 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: about with this is the fact that Dylan mulvaney was 326 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: braided with so much harassment just because she was thankful 327 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: that someone noticed her, like that's the end of the story. 328 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: And she has been like, I think she would offer 329 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: social media for a while because she had so many 330 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: death threats and doxing and going after her, but Budweiser gave. 331 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: No, No, they didn't, and that is an unfortunate trend. 332 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: We see a lot and as you said, you can 333 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: make money on TikTok and so that is like a 334 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: financial I mean, obviously an emotional harm, but a financial harm, 335 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: and it is a harm that impacts an entire community 336 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: who was witnessing this. And it was incredibly disheartening too, 337 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: because the company then they released a statement and they 338 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: said they quote never tended to be part of a 339 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: discussion that divides people, and released a very but like 340 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: I'll say, like Generic America commercial. 341 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 3: That was. 342 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: It was like embarrassing how hard they were trying to 343 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: be like whoa America for everybody? Clearly you're not, you're. 344 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: Not if you're ashaming and you're ashamed because you sent 345 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: a beer. 346 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, well this is the thing too. It's like 347 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: I read a really good thread about how this is. 348 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: This is an example of how clearly like this whole 349 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: like we never intended to be a part of a 350 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: discussion that divides people. That they'd never they just want 351 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: to like get the credit, but didn't stop to think 352 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: of this is what a queer person faces every day. 353 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: And so then then they get some of this backlash 354 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: and like oh no, retreat, retreat. And the thing is 355 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: the company because they both they backtracked. Now they've like 356 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: pissed off everybody, everybody, everybody. They reported they all up 357 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: their US marketing budget three times to make up for 358 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: the loss of revenue caused by this, which again is ridiculous. 359 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. And now let us talk about what 360 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: is happening with Target. So in May, Target removed or 361 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: moved items to the back some of their prideline, particularly 362 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: around trans folks, because they actually had like two hundred 363 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: items or something in certain Southern stores because of confrontations 364 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: and threats that they reported were being experienced by their employees, 365 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: like things getting turned over, yelling, all that kind of stuff. 366 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: The statement was very vague. It was issued days after 367 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: the CEO spoke about inclusivity, and the big target of 368 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: it of the eyre was something called the tuch Friendly 369 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: bathing suit, which was supposed to be for trans people, 370 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of Disney information and misinformation around it, 371 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: with conservative pundits claiming it was targeted towards kids. It 372 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: wasn't that. That was the story that I got told 373 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: and passed around, and then people got so angry about 374 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: it and we're focusing about it. And then, of course 375 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: after this happened, activists expressed their frustration that instead of 376 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: targeting bad customers, they kind of just gave it and 377 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 2: removed the products. 378 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: And a lot of the products were from small businesses, 379 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: which was a big thing that target was trying to 380 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: say that they are a part of as well at 381 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: bringing in small businesses, and instead they've everyone over, not 382 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: just the quick community, but the small businesses that they 383 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: are so proud about, including. 384 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: Right yeah, and it some of the designers reported they 385 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: were getting so many death threats. They were glad when 386 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: their stuff got removed, but they should have had support 387 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: right from Target. Right, it's just it shouldn't be a thing. 388 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: And like I was saying, it's especially it's it's just 389 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: it's so very corporate to want to cash in on 390 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: something without taking the time to understand it and just 391 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: conveniently bowing out right when you can. And it's it's 392 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: in another example of violent extremists controlling the narrative with 393 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: things like abortion as well. And it's disheartening too because 394 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: Target does have a history of taking steps to be inclusive. 395 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: Right after a lot of the bathroom bands were happening 396 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, they like went out of their way 397 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 2: to make sure like, no, we're going to have these bathrooms, 398 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: and the they have been because of that the Target 399 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 2: fun I guess I didn't mean to of threats before, 400 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: which isn't right, Like people shouldn't be threatened. I'm not 401 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: saying like if the work a workspace should be safe 402 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: at all, but it's just sophelic we're not punishing the 403 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: right people or we're not taking the right steps to 404 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: make it so that's not the case for anyone. 405 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: Right, I mean when it comes down to when you 406 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: see content like this, and I would be I would 407 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: like to see the statistics, especially when it's online trolling, 408 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: how often they are bots or one person doing ten 409 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: different usernames, because we know the narrative is a majority 410 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: of people don't care, like even if they are probably 411 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: biggest or homophobic, they don't get on the computer. Like 412 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: my parents, who would be what I would call homophobic. 413 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: They don't touch the computer, my sister, my brother, not 414 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: to target. They complain on Facebook, sure, but they don't 415 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: go you know what I mean. That takes a long time, 416 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: so I don't I've never met one person in my 417 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: conservative lifetime that actually went and did this, So I'm 418 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: really wondering who is the one that are complaining honestly, 419 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: as well as the fact that I understand you want 420 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: to protect your employees, but like you said, this is 421 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: an easy way out instead of having knowing that you 422 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: are a private business so that you can escort these 423 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: people out real quickly, real quickly. 424 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, and once again, as you said, they've up because 425 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: now that everybody's like that. 426 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: Because because the rebservatives are not coming back to say 427 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: I forgive you. That's not a thing they do. 428 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: No, And now queer people are just people who have 429 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: like queer people in their lives are like, well, now 430 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm supported here, And it's ridiculous, 431 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: I say it again, because other companies who who probably 432 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 2: don't have great track records either. We all shop at 433 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: places where we don't necessarily agree with their politics, right, 434 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: all of us. But now we're going to other places 435 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: that who knows, but at least their queer stuff is 436 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: still there. All right? 437 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: Oh, I think Walmart, Walmart, who I don't up there 438 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: at all, but. 439 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: Exactly that's what I kept seeing. And I'm not saying 440 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: like that's good or right at all, but it's just. 441 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: Right because they're just cashing in as well. But at 442 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: least they're not backpacking. 443 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 2: I guess it's it's just a mess. It's just such 444 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: a mess. We're speaking of we Oh my gosh, all right, 445 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: we got to talk about this whole thing that's going 446 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: on with Disney and DeSantis, which I just saw a 447 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: headline update today about it. So this is this is 448 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: wildly changing, and I'm going to condense it because it's 449 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 2: like several years in the making. Actually so, after pressure 450 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: from consumers and employees, and what I gather is just 451 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: plain annoyance at DeSantis's attempts to control and censor them, 452 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: Disney announced that it wasn't cool with the Don't Say 453 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: Gay bill censoring discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity 454 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: in the classroom, and there has been so much legal 455 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: back and forth about this. Allegedly, then Disney CEO Bob 456 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: Chapek signed a statement protesting the bill and called DeSantis 457 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: to express his concerns. A few days later, DeSantis released 458 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: this statement, woke Disney is now echoing Democrat propaganda and 459 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: falling for the corporate media's phony hysteria over a Florida 460 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: bill that sensibly prohibits K through third graders from being 461 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: inductrinated with transgenderism and r rated lessons about sexuality. In response, 462 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 2: Chapek announced he'd pause all political donations in Florida and 463 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: released a statement to employees who had long been calling 464 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: for the company to do more, quote, you needed me 465 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: to be a stronger ally in the fight for equal rights, 466 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: and I let you down. I am sorry. So this 467 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: was in part due to a report that found that 468 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: Disney had donated thousands not only to DeSantis, but other 469 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 2: anti LGBTQ plus politicians in Florida. So employees, I think 470 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: we talked about this when it happened, like they were 471 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: protesting walking out, and yeah, Disney cast members stage walkouts. 472 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: Even after that savement due to Chipek's lack of action, 473 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: some employees staged daily walkouts, and creators reported being censored. 474 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: I believe we talked about that turning red because they 475 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: said they had a more explicit queer storyline that they 476 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: had to take out. A few months later, the Florida 477 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: legislature voted to end the quote special districts put into 478 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: place before nineteen sixty eight, including one that gives Walt 479 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: Disney World Resort essentially its own government, during their special session. 480 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: Now here, I want to say a note, I do 481 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: not know if any company should have this, but it 482 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: was clearly an act of political retribution, all right. In 483 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, Dessanta's passed a bill changing the name 484 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: of this district and appointing a five person oversight board 485 00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 2: of directors to it. However, the current members at the 486 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: time signed a development deal with the company to give 487 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: it a max developmental power for thirty years, and they 488 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: invoked some kind of king Charles. 489 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so they went after it by saying, as 490 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: to the old monarchy, that King Charles, the current one 491 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: that just got inducted as the king after his last 492 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: descendant dies and then thirty years after that. So right 493 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: now he has grandkids that are infants and toddlers, and 494 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: probably more kids will be on the way. Let's just 495 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: do it on us. So they have a because like 496 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: if when the grand kids get married, he'll have more descendants, 497 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: so essentially never ending. 498 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: Yep. 499 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: Of course, if we remember correctly, the board of directors, 500 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: the original members were voted in, I believe, and this 501 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: one was uprooted and he appointed, which is called a 502 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: dictatorship or fascist. 503 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 504 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: Anyway, so Dissentis's board is terrifying. This is his cronies, 505 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: his last, all the things. Here's something from CNN. The 506 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: governor also appointed the CEO of a right wing ministry 507 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: and the founder of the right wing activist groups Moms 508 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: for Liberty, Horrifying, which the governor has supported to transform 509 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: local school boards. Board member Ron Perry, CEO of the 510 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: Gathering USA ministry, was captured in a since deleted YouTube 511 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: video suggesting tapwater has turned Americans gay. This is not 512 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: to harp on Florida, because I know things are changing. 513 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: Good for you, Jacksonville bringing in a Democratic mayor, Good 514 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: for you, Proud of you. She's still a politician though. 515 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: But all had to say is this kind of like 516 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: you see the whole Like, yeah, Florida used to be 517 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: that state that had all the ex cons right, all 518 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: the all the cons at the beginning of what it 519 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: was like the thirteen member union. That makes sense. I'm 520 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: gonna yell that by somebody from Florida. 521 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: I saw a whole bit about this where somebody yelled 522 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: at a comedian, not yelled, but was like, why do 523 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: we always make fun of Florida? 524 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: And there I think the majority of Floridians are not 525 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: like this that much like Georgia, they have done really 526 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: well in butchering the Vote Vot Voting Rights Act and 527 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: therefore being able to put what they want and try 528 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: to dictate the results that they want. So I do 529 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: know that we love you still. I'm sorry. 530 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: Yes, well, DeSantis, in this escalating fight, did threaten to 531 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: put a prison next to Disney World, amongst other things. Also, 532 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: he got married in Disney World, by the way, just 533 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: to put that out there. So, yes, he put into 534 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: places very discouncil, very conservative people. After he officially dissolved 535 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: the Randy Creek District, which was the original district. However, yeah, 536 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: Disney had found a way to effectively make them powerless. 537 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: It's still going back and forth though, because DeSantis ordered 538 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: an investigation. Disney filed a lawsuit against DeSantis in April 539 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, alleging he was engaging in a quote 540 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: targeted campaign of government retaliation and was violating their First 541 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: Amendment rights. Then DeSantis's installed boards sued Disney back, saying 542 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: they quote had no choice but to respond, I. 543 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: Know, I'm sorry. 544 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: That is. 545 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 3: Wow. 546 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: It was basically like, well she hit me first, was like, 547 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: I'm rubber, You're glue. 548 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: What bounds off me? 549 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: Stick to you? 550 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: Like, that's essentially what's happened. 551 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, and then Disney canceled plans for a one 552 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: billion dollar campus in Orlando that I think was going 553 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: to be used to like for animation for movies. From 554 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: the New York Times quote it would have brought more 555 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: than two Disney jobs to the region, with one hundred 556 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: and twenty thousand as the average salary according to an 557 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: estimate from the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity, though I 558 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 2: didn't want to say. Note some of the employees were 559 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 2: not happy about the potential of being relocated because a 560 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 2: lot of them were going to come from California, I believe, 561 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: and some people quit because they didn't want to be relocated. 562 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: So and this was also they wanted to make this 563 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: change so the company could benefit from the state's tax credit. 564 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: And then California officials called on Disney to build the 565 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: campus there, and it was like, the worker's already here. 566 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: It's a bidding war. 567 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I just want to make sure because who's 568 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: to say if the jobs would have gone to people 569 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: in Florida. I guess that's what I'm saying. But right then, 570 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: because this has to get even more ridiculous, North Carolina 571 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: introduced a bill targeting at getting Disney to relocate. It 572 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: was called the Mickey's Freedom Restoration Act. Still, as of now, 573 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: Disney is set to invest seventeen billion dollars in central 574 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: Florida over the next ten years. Disney is also set 575 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: to host the quote largest LGBT plus conference in the 576 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: world beginning in September. People have express concerns about vacationing 577 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 2: in Florida now because of this, and the NAACP issued 578 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: a Trapel advisory recently. And I do also want to say, like, 579 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: I really don't like Desantas. I want to be a 580 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: thousand percent clear on that, but I also don't want 581 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: to paint Disney in like like they don't have the 582 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 2: best in history in this right, Like there's still a 583 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: company that is trying to make money. A lot of 584 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 2: what's happening here is because of the consumers and employees pushing. 585 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: So just just to keep that in mind, some people 586 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: are saying that this is whole thing is kind of 587 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 2: trying Disney trying to cover following profits and massive layoffs. 588 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. I'm sure that might be 589 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: part of it. 590 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: That's the conspiracy theory that conservatives is not really because right. 591 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: And it's so frustrating too, because I mean, we could 592 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: heart all day about the hypocrisy we're saying over and 593 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: over again, but for a party and a politician who's 594 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 2: constantly like, you know, corporate leave corporations alone, privacy, Like 595 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: if I mean, can you imagine can you imagine he's 596 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: trying to install his own people to control a company. 597 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: Right, like a billion dollar company, better national company, right. 598 00:35:45,080 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 2: Stunning hypocrisy. All right, Now, I did want to do 599 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: a quick updates on the Don't Say Gay Bill because 600 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: it has been updated to extend to twelfth grade. Now 601 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 2: in April twenty twenty three, it was extended from ap quote. 602 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: The rule change would ban lessons on sexual orientation and 603 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: gender identity from grades four through twelve unless required by 604 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: existing state standards or as part of reproductive health instruction 605 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: that students can choose not to take. That's the time 606 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: when students are becoming aware of their sexuality. So really 607 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: digging in the heels. I do want to say, kind 608 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: of like what we talked about two with the book 609 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: banning episode, there has been a lot of instances of 610 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: young people protesting, staging walkouts, or not being able to 611 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: fly Pride flags like so that's heartening to see, but 612 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: it's this is very upsetting and horrifying. There was a 613 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 2: story that came out related to that about how ridiculous 614 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: and confusing all of this is. 615 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and they're still talking about all the aftermath. 616 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: But a Florida teacher was investigated after showing the Disney 617 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: film Strange Worlds to fifth graders because of his inclusion 618 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: of a gay character. The teacher claimed she showed it 619 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: because it was relevant to her curriculum on ecosystems. The 620 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: investigation was recently closed and the teacher had all the 621 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: necessary forms aside beforehand. She expressed fear at the uncertainty 622 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: of the environment and the parent who reported her. Shanon 623 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: Rodriguez reported her to Florida state officials for violating Don't 624 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: Say Gay. A petition for her removal from the local 625 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: school board garnered sixteen thousand signatures over two weeks. She 626 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: said at the school board meeting, you showed a movie 627 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: that wasn't sanctioned at school material, thus stripping the innocence 628 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: of my ten year old. 629 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: Movie. 630 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, a Disney movie PG cartoon that had a character 631 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: not be talking about being gay, necessarily being in a 632 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: gay relationship, just being gay. That was just there. 633 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 634 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: I know that the teacher has fired back at this 635 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: as well. It has been all over social media talking 636 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: about it and news. I did also see just recently 637 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: a veteran who was hardcore veteran came against all of 638 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: the school board talking about how he had fought fascism 639 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: during his time in the military and now he's having 640 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: to fight it in the schools and in Florida today, 641 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: which is so good to see that people are standing 642 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: up for this. And again I think the much like 643 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: Georgia and the Minia, the South Florida is not as 644 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: heavily in favor of things like this. This is a 645 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: political stunt. We knew it was the sanest wants to 646 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: compete against Trump, which is a whole different conversation, but 647 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: because of this, because they're the loudest, it does seem 648 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: like this is the majority of Florida, and that's not true. 649 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 2: Right, And that's thing we also discussed in the book 650 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 2: Banning One and that woman that we mentioned that was 651 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: appointed to the council. The santisis Council of Moms for Liberty. 652 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 2: Like it's an organized effort done by not that many people, 653 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 2: but they are very They've been very effective at organizing 654 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 2: and getting people in rooms and making these scenes and 655 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 2: being like very distracting. And I also the teacher said 656 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 2: she didn't realize that the rule had changed, and she 657 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 2: also didn't really think about like the gay character being 658 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 2: in there, so that's just an example of how confusing 659 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: all of this is. And a final note before we 660 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: move on about this, Cat superfan super listener Cat wrote 661 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 2: in recently expressing their frustration around a politician doing something 662 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 2: similar where they were but kind of on the flip side, 663 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 2: where they were saying like, we could do this kind 664 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 2: of pride event, but we really shouldn't have a pride 665 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 2: parade because the you know, the atmosphere or the environment 666 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 2: is not correct for it. So kind of being like 667 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 2: I super support you, yeah, not backing it up at all, 668 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 2: and trying to appease with well, what about this, This 669 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 2: should be enough, you don't need anything else, and not 670 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 2: listening to all of the complaints from the citizens who 671 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: were saying like, no, we want to have a pride parade, 672 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 2: like this is not and then the politician getting angry 673 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 2: and saying essentially like you're asking for too much, like 674 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 2: I'm doing my best. So that's also We've been talking 675 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 2: a lot about companies, but politicians absolutely do do it too. 676 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 2: And then finally I wanted to end with I would 677 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 2: say this is kind of an up note. I don't know, 678 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 2: but there's an article came out that a couple of 679 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 2: you listeners have written about this, and I thought it 680 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 2: was really interesting about how during the pandemic you have 681 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 2: found your identity or you have like realized like, oh, 682 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 2: I actually identified this way. It turns out you are 683 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 2: not alone. So this article was talking about why that 684 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 2: might be, and they were saying things like taking time 685 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 2: to stop and think, not being distracted by socialization or commutes, 686 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 2: being able to hear quote the quiet voice, to face 687 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 2: things that you've ignored. A lot of people that interviewed said, 688 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 2: it's not like I was in denial. It's more like 689 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 2: I just had never taken the time to hear that 690 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 2: quiet voice. A lot of things around reflection and introspection. 691 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 2: I had the question I had who are you performing for? 692 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 2: I had that a lot during the pandemic, of like, well, 693 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 2: who was this for all along? But also being online 694 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 2: more during quarantine and connecting to others like you, which 695 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 2: was part of a larger trend. They made sure to say, like, 696 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 2: there's no actual data on this, this is just a 697 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: lot of people reporting it, but it was also kind 698 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 2: of a trend that was happening. Ever since, we have 699 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 2: gotten more online and we have been able to make 700 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 2: those connections some people were talking about fear around death 701 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 2: and not wanting to die without being honest about who 702 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 2: you are, without thinking about what do you really want 703 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 2: out of life, And then a lot of people reported 704 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 2: kind of this internalized ageist understanding that coming out is 705 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 2: only for young people and once you reach a certain age, 706 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 2: like it's too late, especially if they had like a 707 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 2: homophobic family or something. So I just thought that was 708 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 2: really fascinating, especially because we've gotten several throughout the pandemic. 709 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 2: A lot of you have written in about that, So yeah, 710 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 2: just something to think about. Yes, I know this isn't 711 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 2: the easiest episode, but we have to talk about this 712 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 2: stuff and we do have a lot of fun content 713 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 2: around the queer community coming out. I hope everyone has 714 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 2: a happy, lovely, safe pride and let us know what 715 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 2: you're doing or if there's anything else we should talk about, 716 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 2: any resources we should shout out. 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