Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial.
Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ presents
Speaker 2: Aubrey O'Day covering the Didty Trial. And my goodness, Aubrey,
Speaker 2: you've had some time to reflect on the verdict that
Speaker 2: left a lot of people shocked. A lot of people
Speaker 2: were expecting it. Where did you fall? Were you anticipating
Speaker 2: this split verdict?
Speaker 3: Not this split? No? I don't think many were not.
Speaker 3: None of the serious journalists that were in the courtroom
Speaker 3: that were reading the transcripts that I was in communication with,
Speaker 3: we all were talking. I mean I was literally like
Speaker 3: talking with Elizabeth Wagneister as she pops up on the
Speaker 3: air with one of the verdicts. It just wasn't a
Speaker 3: call that any of us made. We definitely thought that
Speaker 3: Cassie's sex trafficking charge is going to be there.
Speaker 1: Wait, can I ask you there are we? Did you think?
Speaker 1: Were you thinking that before we got word that they
Speaker 1: had come to conclusion on four and were hung on racketeering.
Speaker 3: So when that happened the night before, I'm on the
Speaker 3: song with all the sources and everybody was actually reporting
Speaker 3: like if I'm the prosecution I'm happy if I'm the defense,
Speaker 3: I'm nervous. That's what was being reported like across the
Speaker 3: board on every station. I was, I think watching ABC,
Speaker 3: but and and one of my friends called me from
Speaker 3: NBC and she was like, this is good. That means
Speaker 3: that if they are split on Rico, that they could
Speaker 3: there's half to feel it did happen, and you know
Speaker 3: number of them that feel it that it did happen.
Speaker 3: That means that they would have had to have given
Speaker 3: him guilty on the chargers that were lower. And that
Speaker 3: was the thought that everybody was going with. But as
Speaker 3: we crept into that morning, I started to analyze that
Speaker 3: thought and I was like, wait, if they have him
Speaker 3: on any of the counts underneath that, and they have
Speaker 3: them on if they got them on sex trafficking, you'd
Speaker 3: have to get them on transport, right, both of them.
Speaker 3: So then I was like, Okay, for sure the transport
Speaker 3: is there. So then I thought of they have cassies,
Speaker 3: which I thought they would. I think they did. Then
Speaker 3: that would be three. You only need two for Rico.
Speaker 3: So why is there anybody that is unsure about Rico?
Speaker 3: And that's when I realized this isn't a good sign.
Speaker 3: For the prosecution.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody, it sounds like that is what the defense
Speaker 2: went through that same process too, because it was reported
Speaker 2: the defense.
Speaker 3: Was freaking out. Diddy was stressed out.
Speaker 2: He was, yes, but they were hugging and it wasn't
Speaker 2: They were serious and they were concerned, and so he
Speaker 2: seemed very worried. And then suddenly we see them walk
Speaker 2: into court the next day and there is confidence. There's
Speaker 2: a little bit of a According to the court reporters,
Speaker 2: there was a little swagger in Diddy that wasn't there
Speaker 2: the day before. So if they had the same late
Speaker 2: night real ctization, wait a minute, they might not happen
Speaker 2: on Sex Trafical.
Speaker 3: But imagine these are the best lawyers around, and imagine
Speaker 3: that they have to have predicted every single call and
Speaker 3: gone over every single possibility five million times. So they
Speaker 3: amount that money they're making they better have, and yet
Speaker 3: they didn't see it. So it kind of almost makes
Speaker 3: me wonder, you know, I just don't. We're never going
Speaker 3: to know what history is until it's history. We'll never
Speaker 3: know what setups were until the setups occur. We'll never
Speaker 3: understand truly how much reality we're really seeing until I
Speaker 3: guess you're at the top, right, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was told early on all kinds of different theories.
Speaker 3: There was only one theory that led back to this
Speaker 3: being the outcome, and I just thought it was too
Speaker 3: QAnon ish to get into. But it was kind of
Speaker 3: like a he did something that he shouldn't have done.
Speaker 3: He took a misstep with his power and under estimate
Speaker 3: his opponent, and he will have to be humiliated in
Speaker 3: front of the world. And as long as he doesn't
Speaker 3: put on a defense and he doesn't name any other names,
Speaker 3: that he would be able to get out of this
Speaker 3: with a lost career in their minds. But what I
Speaker 3: don't think they realize is that's not what Sindiddi's head.
Speaker 3: In fact, if you missed the hot single, you could
Speaker 3: have just looked outside the courtroom after the charges were
Speaker 3: brought in and his son was performing it from the
Speaker 3: speaker system inside of that big van that they've been
Speaker 3: getting into, and the girlfriend was turned backwards twerking, and
Speaker 3: then he got his shirt off, and then he did
Speaker 3: push ups, and inside the courtroom they stood up and
Speaker 3: applauded him, saying dream team, Dream Team. I don't know
Speaker 3: how much of a dream team. It was. They didn't
Speaker 3: put on a defense mark at Niffholo's closing was straight
Speaker 3: hot trash. He gave them a miraculous, beautiful environment to
Speaker 3: work in. These girls were lined up waiting to be
Speaker 3: in the freak off. They were waiting for a chance
Speaker 3: to get pissed on. Cassie and Diddy were equals. They
Speaker 3: were Bonnie and Clyde. This is your everyday messy love that.
Speaker 3: And this is a man that did not. And he
Speaker 3: did a good job at that video, which was a
Speaker 3: strong point he made it. I didn't give them the
Speaker 3: money to pay them off because I was protecting the enterprise.
Speaker 3: I did it because I was protecting my reputation. That
Speaker 3: turns this case into a First Amendment case in one sentence.
Speaker 1: Well, these guys arbor. From the legal standpoint, folks are
Speaker 1: going to be breaking this down forever. Can I just
Speaker 1: asked you, from an emotional standpoint, felt not breaking down
Speaker 1: count one thing through four five, just after we went
Speaker 1: through all this, to hear the verdicts and the Diddy
Speaker 1: as possibly going through maybe spend an extra year in
Speaker 1: prison at most, maybe an extra four that's your emotional reaction.
Speaker 3: To hearing it I don't know if that's true. I'm
Speaker 3: hoping that it's not. We shall see my initial reaction.
Speaker 3: I was literally on like I was doing, I'm doing
Speaker 3: another TV show. So I had a press day that day,
Speaker 3: so I was on Inside Edition. It came in as
Speaker 3: I was about to start going. I think I said
Speaker 3: fuck sixteen times during that interview. Most of it was unusable,
Speaker 3: and so I just decided to cut press for the day,
Speaker 3: and then I did a I didn't get to speak
Speaker 3: with you guys on Verdic day, and so I spoke
Speaker 3: with Elizabeth Wagmeister and I cried and talked about how
Speaker 3: I felt with her.
Speaker 2: It was just an overwhelming feeling of emotion. Just you
Speaker 2: were what did you did you want guilty on all counts?
Speaker 2: Do you think that's that would have felt like justice
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 3: Well, the woman on Inside Edition asked me what justice is,
Speaker 3: and I said, it's funny. I got asked that the
Speaker 3: first day by TJ and Amy, and it was you know,
Speaker 3: I want the prosecution to prove through the law what
Speaker 3: the charges that they indicted him on in theyre ninety
Speaker 3: five percent the southern districts. I don't expect them to
Speaker 3: not do that. Then it was my personal feelings as
Speaker 3: I got towards the end of the trial and was
Speaker 3: doing interviews for this other TV show, which were yes
Speaker 3: everything and now justice to me would look like one
Speaker 3: woman coming forward and having people just believe her because
Speaker 3: good luck. Now, But what do we do? Do you
Speaker 3: think this is a setback? You're saying for women and
Speaker 3: women to be a setback on a magnificent scale. This
Speaker 3: will have a chilling effect on abuse survivors long past
Speaker 3: the time I'm gone. You know, Malcolm X, I was
Speaker 3: actually listening to this YouTube Bertisa tells, but she said
Speaker 3: in Malcolm X quote which is Black women are the
Speaker 3: most disrespected, unprotected, and neglected women of everyone. And then
Speaker 3: she said, that's not just for black woman anymore. That's
Speaker 3: for all women now. So start taking notes, start taking receipts,
Speaker 3: start taking pictures, start turning in people that are doing
Speaker 3: bad things. Immediately, all we have is each other. Now.
Speaker 3: We need to stay diligent, we need to stay on
Speaker 3: top of it, and we need to stay protecting each other.
Speaker 2: Aubrey, do you you know you have been outspoken and
Speaker 2: we've talked about this from the beginning, about your experience
Speaker 2: and what you are investigating about your own situation? Do
Speaker 2: you feel do you feel I don't want to say silence,
Speaker 2: but do you feel like you might not want to
Speaker 2: move forward, that it doesn't feel worth it? Does it?
Speaker 2: Does it make you feel less likely to speak up
Speaker 2: and speak out?
Speaker 1: Do you feel this?
Speaker 2: I mean, the screw is just such a probably not
Speaker 2: a strong enough word, but how does it impact your
Speaker 2: wanting to move forward? And you're wanting to find out
Speaker 2: and investigate what happened to you?
Speaker 1: What may have happened to you?
Speaker 3: So kind I haven't gotten to that exactly yet, but
Speaker 3: I've gotten to versions of it. Somebody asked me a
Speaker 3: question about my experience with one specific category that day,
Speaker 3: and I said, I'm so sorry. I can't talk about
Speaker 3: that because it's just not safe to talk about that anymore.
Speaker 3: This is what coersion looks like. What I told you guys,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a systematic coersion. So many very
Speaker 3: powerful men that are in the music industry that I've
Speaker 3: been talking to during this entire trial, who know exactly
Speaker 3: what it is, said to me along the way, many
Speaker 3: different things, but at the very end said you're gonna
Speaker 3: need to like lift the narrative a bit and go
Speaker 3: a bit toward the opening up, toward ditty vibe. If
Speaker 3: you want to stay working exactly what I just said,
Speaker 3: They feel that I need to lean in.
Speaker 4: To the There's a possibility that Ditty's are great. There's
Speaker 4: a possibility that the sun dancing naked with his shirt off,
Speaker 4: and the girlfriend torqu and putting her ass out and
Speaker 4: doing the pushups and applodding in the middle of a
Speaker 4: federal court and screaming dream Team.
Speaker 3: And Ditty is love and all this that and the
Speaker 3: other that there's a world in which all of that
Speaker 3: is like kind of okay, because you got to start
Speaker 3: leaning into someone that's going to get right back into
Speaker 3: a very powerful position.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're you're being advised to soften your
Speaker 1: tone about Ditty because he's a there's a feeling he's
Speaker 1: about to go back to being a very influential person
Speaker 1: the music industry.
Speaker 3: Not even a feeling. It's like, I'm not saying in
Speaker 3: the music industry, but I think he'll he'll definitely get
Speaker 3: back in there. My thing was, I didn't even know
Speaker 3: he had released that. I said. I had said it
Speaker 3: in jest to like a reporter that I know. Oh,
Speaker 3: he'll have an album out before the end of this year,
Speaker 3: and then she's like I said, him and Kanye West,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get together. Likely potentially we know who Kanye's
Speaker 3: good friends are you on and Trump, he likes to
Speaker 3: hang out with a lot. I think this could likely
Speaker 3: start to become the narrative of the new man, the
Speaker 3: new male. I think it becomes like a type of situation,
Speaker 3: like we said with Neo, just start bringing them out.
Speaker 3: I got five women. There's Little Dancer, Tiny Girl, Chocolate sweets,
Speaker 3: and sugar coated candy. These are my four wives or
Speaker 3: girlfriends whatever they were called. Member. We found their names
Speaker 3: during one of our podcasts. Yes, that's what I think.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be like do it out in
Speaker 3: the open. I am so so so sad for and
Speaker 3: people keep driving this home for women, and it is
Speaker 3: for women, but it also is for men and artists too.
Speaker 3: That's why in my statement I said at the very end,
Speaker 3: like y'all, twelve people can do what you do, but
Speaker 3: no artists, no woman or man is owned and the
Speaker 3: property of the most wealthy, rich or famous or powerful person. Ever,
Speaker 3: never will we be We are not disposable. Ditty is
Speaker 3: really smart and he's very powerful. R. Kelly is a
Speaker 3: completely different type of powerful than Diddy. And these are
Speaker 3: the same people that took our Kelly down. But it's
Speaker 3: a whole different thing, and we witnessed the whole different thing.
Speaker 3: We witnessed witnesses dropping out. I mean, the whole ending
Speaker 3: of the trial was fascinating for me. One, I find
Speaker 3: out a number, allegedly of how much is being paid
Speaker 3: for those overflow rooms to sound. And look the way
Speaker 3: they were sounding. The overflow rooms were very pro Diddy.
Speaker 3: They stood up and started chanting his name and free
Speaker 3: Diddy and freedom and you know, free at last, screaming, yelling,
Speaker 3: jumping up in the air. I've heard a dollar amount
Speaker 3: on you know what people were paid outside the courtroom,
Speaker 3: inside the courtroom, inside the overflow rooms. And there were
Speaker 3: many times in this case where even it was brought
Speaker 3: to the judge that journalists YouTube, you know, the new
Speaker 3: journalist is YouTubers and tiktoks. They are the new people now.
Speaker 3: They were saying like, if you get reached to any
Speaker 3: of these people and I find out, I will prosecute
Speaker 3: and I will put people behind bars, Like there were
Speaker 3: people reaching out to YouTubers, to influencers to change the
Speaker 3: dialogue of the tone. Shit. There were people just saying,
Speaker 3: I'm wearing this free ditty shirt because somebody came up
Speaker 3: to me and paid me this much money and I
Speaker 3: need it and I put it on, Like the amount
Speaker 3: of money that went into the campaign is astonishing. And
Speaker 3: then to see for me, it was a little bit
Speaker 3: of tell, a little bit of a tell. And I
Speaker 3: said this to you guys early on the eight pack
Speaker 3: of white women with no diversity, not even a mix,
Speaker 3: that to me felt like, how could people that are
Speaker 3: that smart be so unaware of optics? Frankly, Jane Doe
Speaker 3: needs to stay out the way of female advocates because
Speaker 3: I might go remind myself of how Baddies was and
Speaker 3: throw some fucking paws on her. For the amount of
Speaker 3: harm that she did to this trial. I think she
Speaker 3: did so much harm that people started to not really
Speaker 3: feel as strongly about Cassie. They kept her on the
Speaker 3: stand longer, and she did a lot of damage.
Speaker 1: How much do you hold the responsibility for the prosecutors
Speaker 1: for even putting her up there? To your point, she
Speaker 1: didn't have to be there unless they put her there
Speaker 1: and once she got there, yeh, she'd warm. But that
Speaker 1: was their call.
Speaker 3: I look at it like this. I think their case
Speaker 3: was falling apart in front of their eyes. I feel,
Speaker 3: like I said, when I took the el Sat, there
Speaker 3: was like a leak in the ceiling and it was
Speaker 3: dripping on me, and I was having a hard time
Speaker 3: reading and remembering all the details in this very long thing.
Speaker 3: Part of the el Sat is like long comprehension reading
Speaker 3: and then remembering small things. Because there was a noise
Speaker 3: and there was water dripping on my shoulder. I think
Speaker 3: that's what happened to them. There was a crack in
Speaker 3: the ceiling early on. And do you know what that
Speaker 3: crack is? Money? Power, influence. You have people like Young
Speaker 3: Miami reposting and putting hearts on people saying, glad you
Speaker 3: aren't acting like a victim crying over some bullshit and
Speaker 3: you're doing it and getting your thing popping. Okay, Well
Speaker 3: that's a girlfriend and the single with his son saying
Speaker 3: we got money, we'll always get away with everything. Y'all
Speaker 3: don't have the money we have. Y'all don't have the
Speaker 3: power we have. These are the lyrics. Okay, So when
Speaker 3: that occurs, and then that weekend TMZ, which is known
Speaker 3: to be very pro Ditty during this trial. Let's just
Speaker 3: all stop fucking acting like everybody else is saying it.
Speaker 3: I'll just say it for my own self. They were
Speaker 3: getting pro Diddy during this trial. It was a very
Speaker 3: quick verdict. It's too ethnic for me. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of things that just don't look right.
Speaker 1: Is it okay? Should we be criticizing the jury though.
Speaker 3: Everybody says not to Everybody always says you can't blame
Speaker 3: the jury. You can't blame the jury. I don't know.
Speaker 3: To me, I'm not in a profession where I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take heat for questioning the jury. I was convinced the
Speaker 3: whole time I was in the band with her, I
Speaker 3: had no idea who she really was. She was doing
Speaker 3: these fucking freak off for fuck's sake, according to her
Speaker 3: in her lawsuit. So to me, it's like, I think
Speaker 3: I saw a path where you could insert yourself in
Speaker 3: this trial if you wanted to, through the justice system,
Speaker 3: and I think there were inserts that were just damning. Obviously,
Speaker 3: Jane is just she's receiving payments from Diddy still, whether
Speaker 3: it be for her home or her lawyer. She's being
Speaker 3: paid for by Diddy. She threw this case really bad,
Speaker 3: really really bad. Why the prosecution was putting her up
Speaker 3: there and do with that type of damage. They were
Speaker 3: trying to establish a pattern, but I don't think they
Speaker 3: realized all the other things that she could establish as well.
Speaker 3: And how long they kept her on was so damning
Speaker 3: because people stopped when Casey was done. Everybody sent from
Speaker 3: the courtroom to the podcast, we were like, that was horrific.
Speaker 3: She took accountability, she said, the good and the bad.
Speaker 3: I can't even come for her. I was nervous she
Speaker 3: was going to try to skip around things and act
Speaker 3: innocent like she didn't.
Speaker 1: What are the conversations like and the feelings and everybody
Speaker 1: you talked to about Cassy even to a fine Now,
Speaker 1: she's a tough one to reconsile. A lot of it's
Speaker 1: tough to reconcile.
Speaker 3: I think you know, her lawyer said this, she was
Speaker 3: doing fine and that she feels good that she was
Speaker 3: part of at least bringing this man somewhere close to
Speaker 3: some acknowledgment of who he is. And we all have
Speaker 3: to agree that he would have gone and gotten his
Speaker 3: Grammy inside last February he would have gone on with
Speaker 3: this love movement and all. There's many civil suits during
Speaker 3: the Love trial where people are claiming to have been
Speaker 3: raped and really chaotic drugs, a lot of the same
Speaker 3: things we were hearing in this trial, but to extreme
Speaker 3: degrees when it's not a girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Aubrey, I'm curious what you think about, Like, I know,
Speaker 2: you talked a little bit about the jurors, and you
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about the money and the power,
Speaker 2: But what about the prosecution in terms of choosing the
Speaker 2: charges that they decided to go with. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: been talking and discussing why not and I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's federal or state charges, but why not pursue
Speaker 2: the charges that we know he committed that are provable
Speaker 2: and indisputable assault, you know, all of things, you know,
Speaker 2: the drug use, all of these things that could have
Speaker 2: put them away for quite some time with actions that
Speaker 2: he didn't even dispute, that he admitted to freely.
Speaker 3: Because in my opinion, they saw exactly what I saw,
Speaker 3: an organization of people that were committing crimes periods, and
Speaker 3: that's a really scary thing and it doesn't look like
Speaker 3: the mob anymore. We might just see a whole point
Speaker 3: of white folks. Naga, We did see white folks doing it.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, whatever the fuck the fat guy is, who's
Speaker 3: in there now in the movie industry. Yeah, they're they're
Speaker 3: starting to really like move around and take bigger looks.
Speaker 3: We're not looking as a society yet, though, We're we're
Speaker 3: still asking why did they go back? We just literally saw,
Speaker 3: We just saw literally on display in front of the world.
Speaker 3: We basically watched the National comm conversation about trauma, bonding
Speaker 3: and the persistence of love, force abuse and toxic relationships.
Speaker 3: And yet the audience is still asking, well, why did
Speaker 3: they go back? We haven't even wrapped our heads around
Speaker 3: that shit. Some women until I explained it to them,
Speaker 3: they were like, man, I've done that, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: she just did it to extreme degrees because that's what
Speaker 3: did He liked extreme degrees of everything. But but either way, like,
Speaker 3: I've read so many statements from people that are scared
Speaker 3: to death. The chef scared to death told the judge
Speaker 3: thank you for not that day, like hearing that he
Speaker 3: could be going home that day. Every I don't know
Speaker 3: how many like be careful, stay safe. Everybody called me
Speaker 3: that I know that's on the victims side, and what
Speaker 3: just looked at me on FaceTime and just were like,
Speaker 3: he's always been untouchable and he remains that way.
Speaker 1: Is that the problem here in this case? To that? Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's there were complexities in context necessary. But everybody looks
Speaker 1: at this as Diddy one and he got away with
Speaker 1: abusing women and that's just it. So this sets us
Speaker 1: all back. Do you do you think it's as simple
Speaker 1: as that in this conversation or a lot more contexts
Speaker 1: needs to be involved in there's a.
Speaker 3: Lot more context That would be the opinion of someone
Speaker 3: that just read some headlines. If you actually if you read,
Speaker 3: I read every single civil soon to.
Speaker 1: Your point, don't most people just read headlines as unfortunate
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 3: And maybe that's how the jury. I don't know if
Speaker 3: the jury interpreted you just to understand they went home,
Speaker 3: they weren't sequestered. You don't know what they looked at
Speaker 3: or so I'll tell you right now, don't put me
Speaker 3: on a jury, because if I get on a jury
Speaker 3: and I'm not sequestered, I'm going to ask my man
Speaker 3: to look every little thing up and tell me what
Speaker 3: he's seen in his phone.
Speaker 1: Oliver, that's going to get you out of jury duty.
Speaker 3: That's fine, But I really like, I don't know how anyone.
Speaker 3: All we live in is a tech savvy world where
Speaker 3: everybody's on their phone, to stay off of it and
Speaker 3: not see anything about this trial sounds ridiculous to me.
Speaker 3: But again, if this were just a ritualistic punishment for
Speaker 3: we just there are so many levels of power that
Speaker 3: are just will forever be so unknown. There are so
Speaker 3: many levels of power. You guys have seen the levels
Speaker 3: that you've seen. You've seen what gets away at those levels,
Speaker 3: and you've seen how an audience of people receives those levels.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that you guys have your own conversations
Speaker 3: about how little you two can do as journalists to
Speaker 3: ever really bridge that gap. Now think five billion times
Speaker 3: past you, guys, because that's where Diddy's at. And then
Speaker 3: think five billion times past him, because that's where the
Speaker 3: white man is at, you know, the one who runs
Speaker 3: our country. The courts are making bad calls that are
Speaker 3: putting a lot of people's lives in danger in politics
Speaker 3: and in entertainment. I said this to you guys in
Speaker 3: the beginning. They are mirroring each other right now. If
Speaker 3: there is anyone out there that is watching the news
Speaker 3: unfold with either of those two places, media and politics,
Speaker 3: and they agree with what is occurring, and they agree
Speaker 3: with the court's positioning on the things that are happening
Speaker 3: right now, please say the fuck away from me, all
Speaker 3: the way to fuck away from me. Please go sound
Speaker 3: don't breathe on me. I don't want to catch it.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to fucking catch it. If it
Speaker 3: means I don't get to have a career, fine, y'all,
Speaker 3: motherfuckers have I've been miserable in this life. It is
Speaker 3: not a beautiful, wonderful life. It wasn't for any of
Speaker 3: the girls that took that stand. Diddy did not offer
Speaker 3: a wonderful experience where you've got to have the most insane, cool,
Speaker 3: brilliant job ever. Like Mark Agniffolo, let's hope karm is
Speaker 3: not real for his sake, But either way, like and
Speaker 3: that's he's doing, that's his job. But like I've said
Speaker 3: this many times when I've been on this podcast, that's
Speaker 3: a fucking dirty job. It's a stump, it's a scumbag job.
Speaker 3: And and and there is not anyone that I have
Speaker 3: spoken to that thinks did he is a reformed man.
Speaker 3: He might. He might create a whole narrative though of reformation.
Speaker 3: He's great at at rebranding and redirecting. I think his
Speaker 3: smartest move will be in redirecting all of his abilities
Speaker 3: into his children and making money off of them and
Speaker 3: branding them out there in the world. Is the new it, this,
Speaker 3: that and the other? Because I I don't know what's
Speaker 3: part of his deal that he did with the Devil,
Speaker 3: because everybody does them.
Speaker 2: Well, Aubrey, it's interesting you mentioned because Mark Adnifilo did
Speaker 2: an interview with the AP over the weekend and he
Speaker 2: talks a little bit about what Diddy is going to
Speaker 2: do when he gets out of prison and whether.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's that you have a documentary and album?
Speaker 3: You already released the album.
Speaker 2: Well, he said, he said he's going straight to a
Speaker 2: clinic where he was going to re enter a rehabilitation
Speaker 2: center for domestic abusers, for people who abuse. So do
Speaker 2: you think that he is capable of rehabilitation?
Speaker 3: First of all, if you watch in court when the
Speaker 3: first of all, here's my theories on it. Those two
Speaker 3: days where everyone reported him being scared of shit. His
Speaker 3: lawyer's telling him, look, this is what's coming in and
Speaker 3: him being like shocked. They said, he looked like he
Speaker 3: was going to vomit, like his face flushed, and there
Speaker 3: are people that had eyes directly on his entire team
Speaker 3: and him. I think you do a deal with the devil.
Speaker 3: They promised you. You don't put on a defense, you
Speaker 3: don't throw anyone else under. You'll get away. But you
Speaker 3: never know if that's really gonna work until it works, right,
Speaker 3: I've never done a deal with the devil, but I
Speaker 3: can assume you don't really trust the devil. But at
Speaker 3: a certain point, maybe you get locked so caught up
Speaker 3: in a situation that you got to make a deal,
Speaker 3: but you don't really know if the devil's gonna screw you.
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, what I watched
Speaker 3: was this like steer and then this release, and we
Speaker 3: all saw how he went out. When the jury was
Speaker 3: released and they got their instructions, he stood up and
Speaker 3: said the judge to the judge, you did a great job, sir.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling great. Good job on this case. Good job
Speaker 3: this freak out has been. You did a good job.
Speaker 3: I've managed like what they said. I asked, I asked, Elizabeth,
Speaker 3: did the judge look like, what the fuck? And she
Speaker 3: was like, he gave an uncomfortable like okay. And I
Speaker 3: was like, was it like a long one like flattery
Speaker 3: or was it a short one like I've never had
Speaker 3: anyone do that. This is weird as shit. And if
Speaker 3: she said the first like, it was weird as shit.
Speaker 3: And so then then when they say he said that
Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna let him go for his own, his own,
Speaker 3: his own defense team's reasons throughout the case, they said,
Speaker 3: he looks shocked and then he raised his hand in
Speaker 3: court and and asked to speak to the judge. And
Speaker 3: then Mark ran back, was like, whoa, he wants to
Speaker 3: speak to you directly. Hold on vibity bobbity vivity, bobbity
Speaker 3: vivity bobbity. And then did he sat down? He probably
Speaker 3: said something like, are you trying to fuck with the
Speaker 3: system again, sir? We already saw where this got you
Speaker 3: the first time. Sit the fuck down. So frankly, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, it's gonna be really hard for him to
Speaker 3: go and have uh some therapist talk with him about
Speaker 3: domestic violence and his alcohol and drug problems. He's got
Speaker 3: his sons outside of court singing their hit song. Yo,
Speaker 3: We're rich, We're rich, We're famous. Where we always get
Speaker 3: away with everything? Hose what looking my bitch tworked? Hey?
Speaker 3: We have that going on outside. We have fucking people
Speaker 3: pouring baby oil all over themselves outside of a federal building.
Speaker 3: You have people inside clapping, standing and screaming. Dream team,
Speaker 3: dream team. This team wasn't did jack shit? I mean
Speaker 3: Ojay's team. That's a dream team. The glove doesn't have fit.
Speaker 3: Don't make sure you don't take your diabetes medication. Make
Speaker 3: sure that glove. That shit was genius. You can't hate that.
Speaker 3: That was actually a genius play. There was nothing genius
Speaker 3: that occurred. Mark Agnicholo's clothing was horrible. In my opinion.
Speaker 1: It worked, though, didn't it. This guy was facing life
Speaker 1: in prison. He might be out. I mean he thought
Speaker 1: he was going to be out last week. He was
Speaker 1: facing life. Now. They're a strategy and all this, but
Speaker 1: didn't it work. Whatever they did, it worked on these
Speaker 1: twelve people that they were in the room with.
Speaker 3: And then maybe someday we will understand all the reasons
Speaker 3: why there are systems at play that are much bigger
Speaker 3: than you, that make decisions about you, that make choices
Speaker 3: about you, that make calls on you, And depending on
Speaker 3: what level you're on, you will be dismissed. If they
Speaker 3: want to dismiss you, and if you're causing problems or
Speaker 3: they really just don't like you, don't throw a little
Speaker 3: bit of pr in the miss and dirry your name
Speaker 3: up a bit.
Speaker 1: So you're saying there was something undwards or something else
Speaker 1: going on with this jury, you don't know about that.
Speaker 3: Listen, we know all the way up until the very
Speaker 3: first day of jury selection that witnesses were just going missing.
Speaker 1: I mean, r were you thinking there's something like something
Speaker 1: was going on with this jury? Like you're saying, this
Speaker 1: is not a legit vert verdict, because.
Speaker 3: I think the jury was pretty They all have like
Speaker 3: pretty good resumes. I didn't I saw people that, like,
Speaker 3: I didn't see anything funny in that regard. What I'm
Speaker 3: saying to you is, first of all, jury, a lot
Speaker 3: of jury deliberations are sign of the times. We are
Speaker 3: normalizing case US right now. We are also normalizing that
Speaker 3: the political and celebrity world are bonkers, shit crazy and
Speaker 3: do weird ass shit that ain't my life. Though we
Speaker 3: are also at a time where we are really on
Speaker 3: the messaging that ain't my shit, though I'm worried about
Speaker 3: me myself and I I've seen very few people along
Speaker 3: this way. True, we give a fuck about me, but
Speaker 3: they all want me to show up when it's time
Speaker 3: to show up. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: if that's where we live in and that's what it is,
Speaker 3: and that's the mentality, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: You have, you will you change how you operate, how
Speaker 2: you live your life? Is there fear you said people
Speaker 2: were checking in on you?
Speaker 3: You okay, I'm low hanging fruit. I'm low hanging fruit.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I don't think that I would. I would
Speaker 3: wait to see what happens with the girls civil trial
Speaker 3: before I would come forward and say anything.
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: I will always allow my story to be heard at
Speaker 3: the right time. But do I care to know the answer? No,
Speaker 3: it won't matter. And the feeling of knowing the answer
Speaker 3: and it not mattering, it's so horrible. It's just better
Speaker 3: to leave it alone, especially if it's not, like you know,
Speaker 3: bringing sickness to my life. And then I don't know,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just another gut punch like the one
Speaker 3: we saw him give Cassie at the Inner Continental. We're
Speaker 3: used to taking them. I got used to taking them
Speaker 3: at a very young age. It hurts every time you're embarrassed,
Speaker 3: you're humiliated, you feel like shit is a person. You
Speaker 3: think about it all day long, you obsess You ask
Speaker 3: all of your friends of your about your work and
Speaker 3: your credibility. And I guess if you spend enough of
Speaker 3: your life being around that toxic shit, you kind of
Speaker 3: just start to learn who you are and not give
Speaker 3: a fuck about anybody else for their opinions.
Speaker 2: It has been fascinating to witness this and watch this
Speaker 2: trial with you and through your lens and your experience
Speaker 2: and the people you know, from Don Richard to Ditty
Speaker 2: himself and I know that.
Speaker 3: And Kassie and Caprick, Jakie, Jane Doe and the other
Speaker 3: will Mia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's deeply personal to you and for you,
Speaker 2: and so we just I just want to say thank
Speaker 2: you for being vulnerable, for being open to sharing your experiences,
Speaker 2: how you're.
Speaker 3: Feeling, what the people who.
Speaker 2: You know, who know more than any of us what
Speaker 2: really was going on in that world. I just want
Speaker 2: to say thank you because it's brave of you to
Speaker 2: speak out and to speak your truth, and I think
Speaker 2: it will empower a lot of folks who are on
Speaker 2: the fence or who don't feel comfortable saying how they
Speaker 2: feel or what happened to them.
Speaker 3: For a message for those people, You're welcome, thank you.
Speaker 3: A message to those people would be this is far
Speaker 3: from over. It's far from over. R Kelly had a
Speaker 3: victory lap, so did oj did. He's getting one right now.
Speaker 3: Who you are and how you treat other people is
Speaker 3: your karma in life. And we've missed the first round
Speaker 3: on many players, so I think the karma will catch up.
Speaker 3: And there are still no lawsuit has pulled out yet,
Speaker 3: no civil lawsuit has pulled out yet. And there was
Speaker 3: another one filed and it involves STDs now, so now
Speaker 3: we're finally getting into the STD part about this that
Speaker 3: I told you guys from the beginning, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: entering the conversation until the end. But like I said,
Speaker 3: you can't get people STDs without their knowledge. So that's
Speaker 3: going to bring forward a whole lot of other problems
Speaker 3: for a lot of people too.
Speaker 1: Give us enough that a positive or something we can
Speaker 1: take from what we just went through for eight weeks
Speaker 1: and take and do something positive with it moving forward.
Speaker 1: Give us something because this is always it's no winners
Speaker 1: and no losers. That's saying something like everybody lost. I
Speaker 1: mean except for getting to be quite honest with me,
Speaker 1: to be facing life not taking as much.
Speaker 3: If he were reformable and this were you were surrounded
Speaker 3: by people that are gonna hold him accountable. We don't
Speaker 3: have anyone just taking accountability at this point for their behavior.
Speaker 3: I've been doing jobs for the past couple of months
Speaker 3: where there is no accountability for behavior. It just get
Speaker 3: blamed on this person or this person, but no one
Speaker 3: just holds himselves accountable, and it's like, hey, it's just
Speaker 3: this We for some reason think that we can't ever
Speaker 3: be wrong, as if any human isn't flawed. We need
Speaker 3: to start holding ourselves accountable. But accountability, unfortunately, is not
Speaker 3: a silver lining I can give to you because the reaction,
Speaker 3: the family, the twerking, the song, the rap performance, all
Speaker 3: of the movements are showing me the accountability is just garbage.
Speaker 3: There just out of respect for understanding that my father
Speaker 3: or son had done everything that I had just heard
Speaker 3: for two months, I would feel I guess if that's
Speaker 3: the type of mom or parent, you are good in
Speaker 3: your heart that your kid's not going away for life.
Speaker 3: But I certainly wouldn't stand and applaud him like you
Speaker 3: are king, sir, standing ovation, sir, brilliant what you just did?
Speaker 3: Hit her again? Give me another video, actually, pull the
Speaker 3: one with a freak op where Kassie's choking on piss,
Speaker 3: so your daughter can watch it one more time. There's
Speaker 3: no accountability over there, and the money will come back
Speaker 3: and the shit will get more reckless, and Kanye and
Speaker 3: Diddy and Trump and Trump might pardon him. We could
Speaker 3: see that on the final amount of the charges. If
Speaker 3: that doesn't happen, I think the judge is probably pretty
Speaker 3: DISCRB and I don't think like time served would be
Speaker 3: his direction if he's a fair guy.
Speaker 1: I agree with him that the judge seemed to be
Speaker 1: shook by a lot of self eavens. You can hear
Speaker 1: it in the truck.
Speaker 3: I mean, just the fact that did he raised his
Speaker 3: hand to speak with him about his decision. Crazy. That's
Speaker 3: crazy talk, very very very but but I think I
Speaker 3: think reform for them isn't in the pictures. I think
Speaker 3: revenge and slowly and you know, but I'm not on
Speaker 3: video and not with your fingerprints on the Malotov cocktail certainly.
Speaker 3: But like I think it's I don't think it's going
Speaker 3: to be good. I'm not high up on that list.
Speaker 3: But I know everybody. I know everybody that is silver
Speaker 3: lining TJ. Gott. I've been asking myself that for days now.
Speaker 3: Silver lining.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been coming. I mean with the Ember
Speaker 1: heard Johnny Depp, even with you go back to I mean,
Speaker 1: the me Too movement, we were supposed to learn something
Speaker 1: and do better on the next one that came around.
Speaker 1: I guess what can we all did better?
Speaker 3: I spoke with the woman. I spoke with a person
Speaker 3: that spoke interviewed the woman who started me to about
Speaker 3: this trial, and she said, sexual abuse charges are rarely
Speaker 3: ever brought to a federal level. They're almost impossible to
Speaker 3: try because of the piece that lost them on this side,
Speaker 3: which is that coercion piece. Who do you believe the
Speaker 3: person this one or that one? Do you believe what
Speaker 3: they wrote or do you believe what they're telling you
Speaker 3: they intended when they wrote something. They're just so hard
Speaker 3: to prove, And it's always, it's always, do you believe
Speaker 3: this person. Yeah, you know, we believed Cassie and then
Speaker 3: unfortunately we had to believe Jane Doe, and she made
Speaker 3: it very hard to even like to see it any
Speaker 3: other type of way. I think on purpose that Grol
Speaker 3: should stay in hiding or so she'll price be at
Speaker 3: Ditty's house with young Miami waiting in a fucking vat
Speaker 3: of baby oil. But I think the silver lining is
Speaker 3: what she said. These sexual abuse cases against women rarely
Speaker 3: get tried at sedal levels. We're not winning them yet.
Speaker 3: Women are never made president, but we've had some pretty
Speaker 3: great ones try. Unfair shit is happening in the workplace
Speaker 3: that is disturbing, disgusting and downright abusive, and it's still occurring.
Speaker 3: You think me too. And a whole lot of things
Speaker 3: would have stopped people from putting things in writing that
Speaker 3: are abusive, like you're not worth any of my time,
Speaker 3: You're not worth a dollar a cent to even talk to.
Speaker 3: That was written to me in the past month. It's
Speaker 3: crazy to put things like that in writing. But unfortunately,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of people that have power that
Speaker 3: are still working it in ways that are horrific and disgusting.
Speaker 3: I think I guess I'd go with her silver lining
Speaker 3: for now. But I don't think Diddy's reformed, and I
Speaker 3: think that he got his first victory lap and I
Speaker 3: think there's more to come. This is not the end.
Speaker 2: I think that could be the positive too, that the
Speaker 2: fact that, yes we're talking about it, if sting discussed.
Speaker 2: There hasn't been a victory, so to speak. But he
Speaker 2: is behind bars right now and he will stay there
Speaker 2: for some time. And that's something. It's not everything, but
Speaker 2: it's something, and now.
Speaker 3: Silver lining could be. Look around you and ask people
Speaker 3: what they feel about this trial. If you're dating a
Speaker 3: man that's now all of a sudden wearing free Ditty
Speaker 3: shirts and is like out there, can you imagine? Did
Speaker 3: you see how alive everyone became when he got off
Speaker 3: on the bigger charges? Y'all were silent. This man didn't
Speaker 3: have one person to back him, no one to take
Speaker 3: the stand for him. Nobody wanted to touch him, nobody
Speaker 3: in the entertainment. If there are people coming forward now,
Speaker 3: like Cassie, you was a hoe and you know it.
Speaker 3: You were doing shit just like him and both y'all,
Speaker 3: I mean, Doc Funk Master Fletch just wrote that and
Speaker 3: like a public message, I would say, like start watching
Speaker 3: who's saying what, and women take notes, and if you're
Speaker 3: dating any of them or in sexual relations or emotional
Speaker 3: relationships with them, be very very careful or in my opinion,
Speaker 3: get the fuck away immediately before they take too much
Speaker 3: of you.
Speaker 2: I mean, there is a lesson for a lot of
Speaker 2: folks out there, and women specifically. Aubrey, thank you. Thank
Speaker 2: you for folks through this trial helping us understand better
Speaker 2: and hope all of our listeners appreciated just all of
Speaker 2: the insights that you were able to provide.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Aubrey. Just want to say thank you all for listening.
Speaker 2: I mean you robot On, behalf of my partner T J. Holmes,
Speaker 2: and Aubrey O'Day, thank you, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 2: coming along this journey with us.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys. A