WEBVTT - Bad Boy For Life? 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.000 Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.119 Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ presents 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:17.240 Aubrey O'Day covering the Didty Trial. And my goodness, Aubrey, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:22.720 you've had some time to reflect on the verdict that 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.360 left a lot of people shocked. A lot of people 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.920 were expecting it. Where did you fall? Were you anticipating 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.280 this split verdict? 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.320 Not this split? No? I don't think many were not. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.040 None of the serious journalists that were in the courtroom 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.120 that were reading the transcripts that I was in communication with, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.720 we all were talking. I mean I was literally like 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.320 talking with Elizabeth Wagneister as she pops up on the 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.840 air with one of the verdicts. It just wasn't a 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.920 call that any of us made. We definitely thought that 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.200 Cassie's sex trafficking charge is going to be there. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.560 Wait, can I ask you there are we? Did you think? 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.080 Were you thinking that before we got word that they 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.360 had come to conclusion on four and were hung on racketeering. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.880 So when that happened the night before, I'm on the 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:20.039 song with all the sources and everybody was actually reporting 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.840 like if I'm the prosecution I'm happy if I'm the defense, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.399 I'm nervous. That's what was being reported like across the 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.000 board on every station. I was, I think watching ABC, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.160 but and and one of my friends called me from 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.839 NBC and she was like, this is good. That means 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.000 that if they are split on Rico, that they could 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.160 there's half to feel it did happen, and you know 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.640 number of them that feel it that it did happen. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.880 That means that they would have had to have given 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.760 him guilty on the chargers that were lower. And that 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.640 was the thought that everybody was going with. But as 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.800 we crept into that morning, I started to analyze that 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.440 thought and I was like, wait, if they have him 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.880 on any of the counts underneath that, and they have 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.600 them on if they got them on sex trafficking, you'd 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:11.440 have to get them on transport, right, both of them. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.680 So then I was like, Okay, for sure the transport 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.320 is there. So then I thought of they have cassies, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.760 which I thought they would. I think they did. Then 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.239 that would be three. You only need two for Rico. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.400 So why is there anybody that is unsure about Rico? 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.919 And that's when I realized this isn't a good sign. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:30.799 For the prosecution. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.800 Yeah, everybody, it sounds like that is what the defense 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.520 went through that same process too, because it was reported 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.240 the defense. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.920 Was freaking out. Diddy was stressed out. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.000 He was, yes, but they were hugging and it wasn't 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.480 They were serious and they were concerned, and so he 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.959 seemed very worried. And then suddenly we see them walk 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.639 into court the next day and there is confidence. There's 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.600 a little bit of a According to the court reporters, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.799 there was a little swagger in Diddy that wasn't there 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.280 the day before. So if they had the same late 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.520 night real ctization, wait a minute, they might not happen 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:03.280 on Sex Trafical. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.880 But imagine these are the best lawyers around, and imagine 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.360 that they have to have predicted every single call and 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.320 gone over every single possibility five million times. So they 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.480 amount that money they're making they better have, and yet 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.240 they didn't see it. So it kind of almost makes 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:24.000 me wonder, you know, I just don't. We're never going 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.119 to know what history is until it's history. We'll never 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.640 know what setups were until the setups occur. We'll never 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:37.040 understand truly how much reality we're really seeing until I 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.720 guess you're at the top, right, So I don't know. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:45.760 I was told early on all kinds of different theories. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.600 There was only one theory that led back to this 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.240 being the outcome, and I just thought it was too 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.480 QAnon ish to get into. But it was kind of 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.880 like a he did something that he shouldn't have done. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:05.680 He took a misstep with his power and under estimate 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.800 his opponent, and he will have to be humiliated in 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.760 front of the world. And as long as he doesn't 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.800 put on a defense and he doesn't name any other names, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.560 that he would be able to get out of this 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.640 with a lost career in their minds. But what I 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.080 don't think they realize is that's not what Sindiddi's head. 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.200 In fact, if you missed the hot single, you could 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.240 have just looked outside the courtroom after the charges were 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.640 brought in and his son was performing it from the 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.120 speaker system inside of that big van that they've been 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:41.279 getting into, and the girlfriend was turned backwards twerking, and 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.960 then he got his shirt off, and then he did 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.800 push ups, and inside the courtroom they stood up and 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.840 applauded him, saying dream team, Dream Team. I don't know 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.119 how much of a dream team. It was. They didn't 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:58.440 put on a defense mark at Niffholo's closing was straight 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:03.840 hot trash. He gave them a miraculous, beautiful environment to 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.719 work in. These girls were lined up waiting to be 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.280 in the freak off. They were waiting for a chance 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.599 to get pissed on. Cassie and Diddy were equals. They 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:18.359 were Bonnie and Clyde. This is your everyday messy love that. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.520 And this is a man that did not. And he 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.400 did a good job at that video, which was a 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.760 strong point he made it. I didn't give them the 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.560 money to pay them off because I was protecting the enterprise. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.800 I did it because I was protecting my reputation. That 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.719 turns this case into a First Amendment case in one sentence. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.120 Well, these guys arbor. From the legal standpoint, folks are 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.120 going to be breaking this down forever. Can I just 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.200 asked you, from an emotional standpoint, felt not breaking down 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:49.800 count one thing through four five, just after we went 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.760 through all this, to hear the verdicts and the Diddy 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.359 as possibly going through maybe spend an extra year in 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:01.640 prison at most, maybe an extra four that's your emotional reaction. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.520 To hearing it I don't know if that's true. I'm 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.839 hoping that it's not. We shall see my initial reaction. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.880 I was literally on like I was doing, I'm doing 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.120 another TV show. So I had a press day that day, 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.160 so I was on Inside Edition. It came in as 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.240 I was about to start going. I think I said 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:22.520 fuck sixteen times during that interview. Most of it was unusable, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.080 and so I just decided to cut press for the day, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.400 and then I did a I didn't get to speak 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.160 with you guys on Verdic day, and so I spoke 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.240 with Elizabeth Wagmeister and I cried and talked about how 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.000 I felt with her. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.640 It was just an overwhelming feeling of emotion. Just you 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.640 were what did you did you want guilty on all counts? 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.719 Do you think that's that would have felt like justice 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:45.960 to you? 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.120 Well, the woman on Inside Edition asked me what justice is, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.960 and I said, it's funny. I got asked that the 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.159 first day by TJ and Amy, and it was you know, 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.160 I want the prosecution to prove through the law what 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.159 the charges that they indicted him on in theyre ninety 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.920 five percent the southern districts. I don't expect them to 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:10.200 not do that. Then it was my personal feelings as 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.120 I got towards the end of the trial and was 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.200 doing interviews for this other TV show, which were yes 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.120 everything and now justice to me would look like one 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:25.080 woman coming forward and having people just believe her because 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:30.040 good luck. Now, But what do we do? Do you 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.960 think this is a setback? You're saying for women and 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.600 women to be a setback on a magnificent scale. This 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.000 will have a chilling effect on abuse survivors long past 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.720 the time I'm gone. You know, Malcolm X, I was 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.800 actually listening to this YouTube Bertisa tells, but she said 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.800 in Malcolm X quote which is Black women are the 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:57.720 most disrespected, unprotected, and neglected women of everyone. And then 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.840 she said, that's not just for black woman anymore. That's 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:06.000 for all women now. So start taking notes, start taking receipts, 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.560 start taking pictures, start turning in people that are doing 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.600 bad things. Immediately, all we have is each other. Now. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.480 We need to stay diligent, we need to stay on 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.960 top of it, and we need to stay protecting each other. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.000 Aubrey, do you you know you have been outspoken and 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.760 we've talked about this from the beginning, about your experience 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:30.760 and what you are investigating about your own situation? Do 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:35.040 you feel do you feel I don't want to say silence, 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.560 but do you feel like you might not want to 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.360 move forward, that it doesn't feel worth it? Does it? 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.440 Does it make you feel less likely to speak up 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:47.000 and speak out? 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:47.480 Do you feel this? 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.720 I mean, the screw is just such a probably not 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.920 a strong enough word, but how does it impact your 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.480 wanting to move forward? And you're wanting to find out 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.719 and investigate what happened to you? 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.000 What may have happened to you? 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:05.160 So kind I haven't gotten to that exactly yet, but 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.720 I've gotten to versions of it. Somebody asked me a 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.280 question about my experience with one specific category that day, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.679 and I said, I'm so sorry. I can't talk about 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:21.400 that because it's just not safe to talk about that anymore. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.480 This is what coersion looks like. What I told you guys, 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.000 it's going to be a systematic coersion. So many very 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.800 powerful men that are in the music industry that I've 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.040 been talking to during this entire trial, who know exactly 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.760 what it is, said to me along the way, many 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:43.800 different things, but at the very end said you're gonna 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.760 need to like lift the narrative a bit and go 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:53.520 a bit toward the opening up, toward ditty vibe. If 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.920 you want to stay working exactly what I just said, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.480 They feel that I need to lean in. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:05.280 To the There's a possibility that Ditty's are great. There's 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.520 a possibility that the sun dancing naked with his shirt off, 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.800 and the girlfriend torqu and putting her ass out and 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.640 doing the pushups and applodding in the middle of a 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.319 federal court and screaming dream Team. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.920 And Ditty is love and all this that and the 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.480 other that there's a world in which all of that 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:27.600 is like kind of okay, because you got to start 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.200 leaning into someone that's going to get right back into 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.640 a very powerful position. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.719 Wait a minute, you're you're being advised to soften your 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.959 tone about Ditty because he's a there's a feeling he's 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.240 about to go back to being a very influential person 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:42.079 the music industry. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.520 Not even a feeling. It's like, I'm not saying in 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.679 the music industry, but I think he'll he'll definitely get 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.000 back in there. My thing was, I didn't even know 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.200 he had released that. I said. I had said it 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.920 in jest to like a reporter that I know. Oh, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.240 he'll have an album out before the end of this year, 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.680 and then she's like I said, him and Kanye West, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.280 we're gonna get together. Likely potentially we know who Kanye's 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.400 good friends are you on and Trump, he likes to 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.840 hang out with a lot. I think this could likely 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.440 start to become the narrative of the new man, the 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.240 new male. I think it becomes like a type of situation, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.040 like we said with Neo, just start bringing them out. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:26.400 I got five women. There's Little Dancer, Tiny Girl, Chocolate sweets, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.800 and sugar coated candy. These are my four wives or 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.040 girlfriends whatever they were called. Member. We found their names 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.600 during one of our podcasts. Yes, that's what I think. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.720 I think it's gonna be like do it out in 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:43.000 the open. I am so so so sad for and 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.560 people keep driving this home for women, and it is 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:50.160 for women, but it also is for men and artists too. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.880 That's why in my statement I said at the very end, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.640 like y'all, twelve people can do what you do, but 0:11:55.920 --> 0:12:01.400 no artists, no woman or man is owned and the 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:07.600 property of the most wealthy, rich or famous or powerful person. Ever, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:20.400 never will we be We are not disposable. Ditty is 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.920 really smart and he's very powerful. R. Kelly is a 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:29.120 completely different type of powerful than Diddy. And these are 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.600 the same people that took our Kelly down. But it's 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.600 a whole different thing, and we witnessed the whole different thing. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:41.200 We witnessed witnesses dropping out. I mean, the whole ending 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.880 of the trial was fascinating for me. One, I find 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.720 out a number, allegedly of how much is being paid 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.400 for those overflow rooms to sound. And look the way 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:56.120 they were sounding. The overflow rooms were very pro Diddy. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.480 They stood up and started chanting his name and free 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:04.800 Diddy and freedom and you know, free at last, screaming, yelling, 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.960 jumping up in the air. I've heard a dollar amount 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.359 on you know what people were paid outside the courtroom, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.400 inside the courtroom, inside the overflow rooms. And there were 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.720 many times in this case where even it was brought 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.600 to the judge that journalists YouTube, you know, the new 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:25.160 journalist is YouTubers and tiktoks. They are the new people now. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.319 They were saying like, if you get reached to any 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.079 of these people and I find out, I will prosecute 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.319 and I will put people behind bars, Like there were 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:39.320 people reaching out to YouTubers, to influencers to change the 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.760 dialogue of the tone. Shit. There were people just saying, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.320 I'm wearing this free ditty shirt because somebody came up 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.160 to me and paid me this much money and I 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.280 need it and I put it on, Like the amount 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:54.160 of money that went into the campaign is astonishing. And 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:59.199 then to see for me, it was a little bit 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.080 of tell, a little bit of a tell. And I 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.360 said this to you guys early on the eight pack 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.120 of white women with no diversity, not even a mix, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.120 that to me felt like, how could people that are 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:16.240 that smart be so unaware of optics? Frankly, Jane Doe 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:23.160 needs to stay out the way of female advocates because 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.760 I might go remind myself of how Baddies was and 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.960 throw some fucking paws on her. For the amount of 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.000 harm that she did to this trial. I think she 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.760 did so much harm that people started to not really 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.680 feel as strongly about Cassie. They kept her on the 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.160 stand longer, and she did a lot of damage. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.000 How much do you hold the responsibility for the prosecutors 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.040 for even putting her up there? To your point, she 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.760 didn't have to be there unless they put her there 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.760 and once she got there, yeh, she'd warm. But that 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:53.360 was their call. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.880 I look at it like this. I think their case 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.960 was falling apart in front of their eyes. I feel, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.840 like I said, when I took the el Sat, there 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:04.440 was like a leak in the ceiling and it was 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.640 dripping on me, and I was having a hard time 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.600 reading and remembering all the details in this very long thing. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.240 Part of the el Sat is like long comprehension reading 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.880 and then remembering small things. Because there was a noise 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.000 and there was water dripping on my shoulder. I think 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.240 that's what happened to them. There was a crack in 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:22.800 the ceiling early on. And do you know what that 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.640 crack is? Money? Power, influence. You have people like Young 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:31.240 Miami reposting and putting hearts on people saying, glad you 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.800 aren't acting like a victim crying over some bullshit and 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.960 you're doing it and getting your thing popping. Okay, Well 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.760 that's a girlfriend and the single with his son saying 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.840 we got money, we'll always get away with everything. Y'all 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:45.920 don't have the money we have. Y'all don't have the 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.880 power we have. These are the lyrics. Okay, So when 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.880 that occurs, and then that weekend TMZ, which is known 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.120 to be very pro Ditty during this trial. Let's just 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.360 all stop fucking acting like everybody else is saying it. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.360 I'll just say it for my own self. They were 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.200 getting pro Diddy during this trial. It was a very 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.880 quick verdict. It's too ethnic for me. There's a lot 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.560 of things that just don't look right. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:16.080 Is it okay? Should we be criticizing the jury though. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.840 Everybody says not to Everybody always says you can't blame 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.440 the jury. You can't blame the jury. I don't know. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.320 To me, I'm not in a profession where I'm gonna 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.360 take heat for questioning the jury. I was convinced the 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.120 whole time I was in the band with her, I 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.320 had no idea who she really was. She was doing 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.800 these fucking freak off for fuck's sake, according to her 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.800 in her lawsuit. So to me, it's like, I think 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:44.480 I saw a path where you could insert yourself in 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:53.280 this trial if you wanted to, through the justice system, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:59.640 and I think there were inserts that were just damning. Obviously, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.040 Jane is just she's receiving payments from Diddy still, whether 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.600 it be for her home or her lawyer. She's being 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.800 paid for by Diddy. She threw this case really bad, 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.680 really really bad. Why the prosecution was putting her up 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.800 there and do with that type of damage. They were 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.600 trying to establish a pattern, but I don't think they 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:24.320 realized all the other things that she could establish as well. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.440 And how long they kept her on was so damning 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.280 because people stopped when Casey was done. Everybody sent from 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.320 the courtroom to the podcast, we were like, that was horrific. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.560 She took accountability, she said, the good and the bad. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.960 I can't even come for her. I was nervous she 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.920 was going to try to skip around things and act 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.280 innocent like she didn't. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.320 What are the conversations like and the feelings and everybody 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.680 you talked to about Cassy even to a fine Now, 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.320 she's a tough one to reconsile. A lot of it's 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:57.159 tough to reconcile. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.320 I think you know, her lawyer said this, she was 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.720 doing fine and that she feels good that she was 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:07.000 part of at least bringing this man somewhere close to 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.520 some acknowledgment of who he is. And we all have 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.479 to agree that he would have gone and gotten his 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.960 Grammy inside last February he would have gone on with 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.480 this love movement and all. There's many civil suits during 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.080 the Love trial where people are claiming to have been 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.440 raped and really chaotic drugs, a lot of the same 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.000 things we were hearing in this trial, but to extreme 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.560 degrees when it's not a girlfriend. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.919 Aubrey, I'm curious what you think about, Like, I know, 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:36.720 you talked a little bit about the jurors, and you 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.199 talked a little bit about the money and the power, 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:43.080 But what about the prosecution in terms of choosing the 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.800 charges that they decided to go with. I mean, we've 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.800 been talking and discussing why not and I don't know 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.119 if it's federal or state charges, but why not pursue 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.640 the charges that we know he committed that are provable 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.520 and indisputable assault, you know, all of things, you know, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.280 the drug use, all of these things that could have 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:06.320 put them away for quite some time with actions that 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.520 he didn't even dispute, that he admitted to freely. 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.520 Because in my opinion, they saw exactly what I saw, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:21.919 an organization of people that were committing crimes periods, and 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.679 that's a really scary thing and it doesn't look like 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.760 the mob anymore. We might just see a whole point 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.320 of white folks. Naga, We did see white folks doing it. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:35.080 Jeffrey Epstein, whatever the fuck the fat guy is, who's 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:40.240 in there now in the movie industry. Yeah, they're they're 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.479 starting to really like move around and take bigger looks. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.240 We're not looking as a society yet, though, We're we're 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:53.320 still asking why did they go back? We just literally saw, 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.760 We just saw literally on display in front of the world. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.600 We basically watched the National comm conversation about trauma, bonding 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.400 and the persistence of love, force abuse and toxic relationships. 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.080 And yet the audience is still asking, well, why did 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.919 they go back? We haven't even wrapped our heads around 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.840 that shit. Some women until I explained it to them, 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.359 they were like, man, I've done that, And I'm like, yeah, 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.600 she just did it to extreme degrees because that's what 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:28.520 did He liked extreme degrees of everything. But but either way, like, 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.159 I've read so many statements from people that are scared 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.399 to death. The chef scared to death told the judge 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.159 thank you for not that day, like hearing that he 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.320 could be going home that day. Every I don't know 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:46.480 how many like be careful, stay safe. Everybody called me 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.320 that I know that's on the victims side, and what 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.600 just looked at me on FaceTime and just were like, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.480 he's always been untouchable and he remains that way. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.919 Is that the problem here in this case? To that? Unfortunately, 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.359 that's there were complexities in context necessary. But everybody looks 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.840 at this as Diddy one and he got away with 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.439 abusing women and that's just it. So this sets us 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:14.879 all back. Do you do you think it's as simple 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.240 as that in this conversation or a lot more contexts 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.399 needs to be involved in there's a. 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.720 Lot more context That would be the opinion of someone 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.880 that just read some headlines. If you actually if you read, 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.960 I read every single civil soon to. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.600 Your point, don't most people just read headlines as unfortunate 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:32.080 it is? 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.240 And maybe that's how the jury. I don't know if 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.040 the jury interpreted you just to understand they went home, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.600 they weren't sequestered. You don't know what they looked at 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:42.320 or so I'll tell you right now, don't put me 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.000 on a jury, because if I get on a jury 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.920 and I'm not sequestered, I'm going to ask my man 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:47.760 to look every little thing up and tell me what 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:49.080 he's seen in his phone. 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.240 Oliver, that's going to get you out of jury duty. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.720 That's fine, But I really like, I don't know how anyone. 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.720 All we live in is a tech savvy world where 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.159 everybody's on their phone, to stay off of it and 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.720 not see anything about this trial sounds ridiculous to me. 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:12.159 But again, if this were just a ritualistic punishment for 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.879 we just there are so many levels of power that 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:23.879 are just will forever be so unknown. There are so 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:29.680 many levels of power. You guys have seen the levels 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.280 that you've seen. You've seen what gets away at those levels, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.760 and you've seen how an audience of people receives those levels. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.359 And I'm sure that you guys have your own conversations 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:44.359 about how little you two can do as journalists to 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.840 ever really bridge that gap. Now think five billion times 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:54.080