1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ presents 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: Aubrey O'Day covering the Didty Trial. And my goodness, Aubrey, 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: you've had some time to reflect on the verdict that 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: left a lot of people shocked. A lot of people 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: were expecting it. Where did you fall? Were you anticipating 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: this split verdict? 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: Not this split? No? I don't think many were not. 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: None of the serious journalists that were in the courtroom 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: that were reading the transcripts that I was in communication with, 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 3: we all were talking. I mean I was literally like 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: talking with Elizabeth Wagneister as she pops up on the 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: air with one of the verdicts. It just wasn't a 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: call that any of us made. We definitely thought that 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: Cassie's sex trafficking charge is going to be there. 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Wait, can I ask you there are we? Did you think? 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Were you thinking that before we got word that they 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: had come to conclusion on four and were hung on racketeering. 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: So when that happened the night before, I'm on the 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: song with all the sources and everybody was actually reporting 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: like if I'm the prosecution I'm happy if I'm the defense, 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 3: I'm nervous. That's what was being reported like across the 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: board on every station. I was, I think watching ABC, 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: but and and one of my friends called me from 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 3: NBC and she was like, this is good. That means 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: that if they are split on Rico, that they could 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: there's half to feel it did happen, and you know 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: number of them that feel it that it did happen. 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: That means that they would have had to have given 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: him guilty on the chargers that were lower. And that 31 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: was the thought that everybody was going with. But as 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: we crept into that morning, I started to analyze that 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: thought and I was like, wait, if they have him 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: on any of the counts underneath that, and they have 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: them on if they got them on sex trafficking, you'd 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: have to get them on transport, right, both of them. 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: So then I was like, Okay, for sure the transport 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: is there. So then I thought of they have cassies, 39 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: which I thought they would. I think they did. Then 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 3: that would be three. You only need two for Rico. 41 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: So why is there anybody that is unsure about Rico? 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 3: And that's when I realized this isn't a good sign. 43 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: For the prosecution. 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody, it sounds like that is what the defense 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: went through that same process too, because it was reported 46 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: the defense. 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: Was freaking out. Diddy was stressed out. 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: He was, yes, but they were hugging and it wasn't 49 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: They were serious and they were concerned, and so he 50 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 2: seemed very worried. And then suddenly we see them walk 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: into court the next day and there is confidence. There's 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: a little bit of a According to the court reporters, 53 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: there was a little swagger in Diddy that wasn't there 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: the day before. So if they had the same late 55 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: night real ctization, wait a minute, they might not happen 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: on Sex Trafical. 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: But imagine these are the best lawyers around, and imagine 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: that they have to have predicted every single call and 59 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: gone over every single possibility five million times. So they 60 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: amount that money they're making they better have, and yet 61 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 3: they didn't see it. So it kind of almost makes 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: me wonder, you know, I just don't. We're never going 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 3: to know what history is until it's history. We'll never 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: know what setups were until the setups occur. We'll never 65 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: understand truly how much reality we're really seeing until I 66 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: guess you're at the top, right, So I don't know. 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: I was told early on all kinds of different theories. 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: There was only one theory that led back to this 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: being the outcome, and I just thought it was too 70 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: QAnon ish to get into. But it was kind of 71 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: like a he did something that he shouldn't have done. 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: He took a misstep with his power and under estimate 73 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: his opponent, and he will have to be humiliated in 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: front of the world. And as long as he doesn't 75 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: put on a defense and he doesn't name any other names, 76 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: that he would be able to get out of this 77 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: with a lost career in their minds. But what I 78 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: don't think they realize is that's not what Sindiddi's head. 79 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: In fact, if you missed the hot single, you could 80 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: have just looked outside the courtroom after the charges were 81 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: brought in and his son was performing it from the 82 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: speaker system inside of that big van that they've been 83 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: getting into, and the girlfriend was turned backwards twerking, and 84 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: then he got his shirt off, and then he did 85 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: push ups, and inside the courtroom they stood up and 86 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 3: applauded him, saying dream team, Dream Team. I don't know 87 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 3: how much of a dream team. It was. They didn't 88 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: put on a defense mark at Niffholo's closing was straight 89 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: hot trash. He gave them a miraculous, beautiful environment to 90 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: work in. These girls were lined up waiting to be 91 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: in the freak off. They were waiting for a chance 92 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: to get pissed on. Cassie and Diddy were equals. They 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: were Bonnie and Clyde. This is your everyday messy love that. 94 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: And this is a man that did not. And he 95 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: did a good job at that video, which was a 96 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: strong point he made it. I didn't give them the 97 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: money to pay them off because I was protecting the enterprise. 98 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: I did it because I was protecting my reputation. That 99 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: turns this case into a First Amendment case in one sentence. 100 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: Well, these guys arbor. From the legal standpoint, folks are 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: going to be breaking this down forever. Can I just 102 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: asked you, from an emotional standpoint, felt not breaking down 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: count one thing through four five, just after we went 104 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: through all this, to hear the verdicts and the Diddy 105 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: as possibly going through maybe spend an extra year in 106 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: prison at most, maybe an extra four that's your emotional reaction. 107 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: To hearing it I don't know if that's true. I'm 108 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: hoping that it's not. We shall see my initial reaction. 109 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: I was literally on like I was doing, I'm doing 110 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: another TV show. So I had a press day that day, 111 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: so I was on Inside Edition. It came in as 112 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: I was about to start going. I think I said 113 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: fuck sixteen times during that interview. Most of it was unusable, 114 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: and so I just decided to cut press for the day, 115 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: and then I did a I didn't get to speak 116 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: with you guys on Verdic day, and so I spoke 117 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: with Elizabeth Wagmeister and I cried and talked about how 118 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: I felt with her. 119 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: It was just an overwhelming feeling of emotion. Just you 120 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: were what did you did you want guilty on all counts? 121 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: Do you think that's that would have felt like justice 122 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: to you? 123 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: Well, the woman on Inside Edition asked me what justice is, 124 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: and I said, it's funny. I got asked that the 125 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: first day by TJ and Amy, and it was you know, 126 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: I want the prosecution to prove through the law what 127 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: the charges that they indicted him on in theyre ninety 128 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: five percent the southern districts. I don't expect them to 129 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: not do that. Then it was my personal feelings as 130 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: I got towards the end of the trial and was 131 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: doing interviews for this other TV show, which were yes 132 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: everything and now justice to me would look like one 133 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: woman coming forward and having people just believe her because 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: good luck. Now, But what do we do? Do you 135 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: think this is a setback? You're saying for women and 136 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: women to be a setback on a magnificent scale. This 137 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: will have a chilling effect on abuse survivors long past 138 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: the time I'm gone. You know, Malcolm X, I was 139 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: actually listening to this YouTube Bertisa tells, but she said 140 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: in Malcolm X quote which is Black women are the 141 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: most disrespected, unprotected, and neglected women of everyone. And then 142 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: she said, that's not just for black woman anymore. That's 143 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: for all women now. So start taking notes, start taking receipts, 144 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: start taking pictures, start turning in people that are doing 145 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: bad things. Immediately, all we have is each other. Now. 146 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: We need to stay diligent, we need to stay on 147 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: top of it, and we need to stay protecting each other. 148 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: Aubrey, do you you know you have been outspoken and 149 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: we've talked about this from the beginning, about your experience 150 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: and what you are investigating about your own situation? Do 151 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: you feel do you feel I don't want to say silence, 152 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: but do you feel like you might not want to 153 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: move forward, that it doesn't feel worth it? Does it? 154 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: Does it make you feel less likely to speak up 155 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: and speak out? 156 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Do you feel this? 157 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: I mean, the screw is just such a probably not 158 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: a strong enough word, but how does it impact your 159 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: wanting to move forward? And you're wanting to find out 160 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 2: and investigate what happened to you? 161 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: What may have happened to you? 162 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: So kind I haven't gotten to that exactly yet, but 163 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: I've gotten to versions of it. Somebody asked me a 164 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: question about my experience with one specific category that day, 165 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 3: and I said, I'm so sorry. I can't talk about 166 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: that because it's just not safe to talk about that anymore. 167 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: This is what coersion looks like. What I told you guys, 168 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: it's going to be a systematic coersion. So many very 169 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: powerful men that are in the music industry that I've 170 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: been talking to during this entire trial, who know exactly 171 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: what it is, said to me along the way, many 172 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: different things, but at the very end said you're gonna 173 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: need to like lift the narrative a bit and go 174 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: a bit toward the opening up, toward ditty vibe. If 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: you want to stay working exactly what I just said, 176 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: They feel that I need to lean in. 177 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 4: To the There's a possibility that Ditty's are great. There's 178 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: a possibility that the sun dancing naked with his shirt off, 179 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 4: and the girlfriend torqu and putting her ass out and 180 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: doing the pushups and applodding in the middle of a 181 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 4: federal court and screaming dream Team. 182 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: And Ditty is love and all this that and the 183 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: other that there's a world in which all of that 184 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: is like kind of okay, because you got to start 185 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: leaning into someone that's going to get right back into 186 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: a very powerful position. 187 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're you're being advised to soften your 188 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: tone about Ditty because he's a there's a feeling he's 189 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: about to go back to being a very influential person 190 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: the music industry. 191 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: Not even a feeling. It's like, I'm not saying in 192 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 3: the music industry, but I think he'll he'll definitely get 193 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: back in there. My thing was, I didn't even know 194 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: he had released that. I said. I had said it 195 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: in jest to like a reporter that I know. Oh, 196 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: he'll have an album out before the end of this year, 197 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: and then she's like I said, him and Kanye West, 198 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: we're gonna get together. Likely potentially we know who Kanye's 199 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: good friends are you on and Trump, he likes to 200 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: hang out with a lot. I think this could likely 201 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: start to become the narrative of the new man, the 202 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: new male. I think it becomes like a type of situation, 203 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: like we said with Neo, just start bringing them out. 204 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: I got five women. There's Little Dancer, Tiny Girl, Chocolate sweets, 205 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: and sugar coated candy. These are my four wives or 206 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: girlfriends whatever they were called. Member. We found their names 207 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: during one of our podcasts. Yes, that's what I think. 208 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be like do it out in 209 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: the open. I am so so so sad for and 210 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: people keep driving this home for women, and it is 211 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: for women, but it also is for men and artists too. 212 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: That's why in my statement I said at the very end, 213 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: like y'all, twelve people can do what you do, but 214 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: no artists, no woman or man is owned and the 215 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: property of the most wealthy, rich or famous or powerful person. Ever, 216 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: never will we be We are not disposable. Ditty is 217 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: really smart and he's very powerful. R. Kelly is a 218 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: completely different type of powerful than Diddy. And these are 219 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: the same people that took our Kelly down. But it's 220 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: a whole different thing, and we witnessed the whole different thing. 221 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: We witnessed witnesses dropping out. I mean, the whole ending 222 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: of the trial was fascinating for me. One, I find 223 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: out a number, allegedly of how much is being paid 224 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: for those overflow rooms to sound. And look the way 225 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: they were sounding. The overflow rooms were very pro Diddy. 226 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: They stood up and started chanting his name and free 227 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: Diddy and freedom and you know, free at last, screaming, yelling, 228 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: jumping up in the air. I've heard a dollar amount 229 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,359 Speaker 3: on you know what people were paid outside the courtroom, 230 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: inside the courtroom, inside the overflow rooms. And there were 231 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: many times in this case where even it was brought 232 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: to the judge that journalists YouTube, you know, the new 233 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: journalist is YouTubers and tiktoks. They are the new people now. 234 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 3: They were saying like, if you get reached to any 235 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 3: of these people and I find out, I will prosecute 236 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 3: and I will put people behind bars, Like there were 237 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: people reaching out to YouTubers, to influencers to change the 238 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: dialogue of the tone. Shit. There were people just saying, 239 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: I'm wearing this free ditty shirt because somebody came up 240 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: to me and paid me this much money and I 241 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: need it and I put it on, Like the amount 242 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: of money that went into the campaign is astonishing. And 243 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: then to see for me, it was a little bit 244 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 3: of tell, a little bit of a tell. And I 245 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: said this to you guys early on the eight pack 246 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: of white women with no diversity, not even a mix, 247 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: that to me felt like, how could people that are 248 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: that smart be so unaware of optics? Frankly, Jane Doe 249 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: needs to stay out the way of female advocates because 250 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: I might go remind myself of how Baddies was and 251 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: throw some fucking paws on her. For the amount of 252 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: harm that she did to this trial. I think she 253 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: did so much harm that people started to not really 254 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: feel as strongly about Cassie. They kept her on the 255 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: stand longer, and she did a lot of damage. 256 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: How much do you hold the responsibility for the prosecutors 257 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: for even putting her up there? To your point, she 258 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: didn't have to be there unless they put her there 259 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: and once she got there, yeh, she'd warm. But that 260 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: was their call. 261 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: I look at it like this. I think their case 262 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: was falling apart in front of their eyes. I feel, 263 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: like I said, when I took the el Sat, there 264 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 3: was like a leak in the ceiling and it was 265 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: dripping on me, and I was having a hard time 266 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: reading and remembering all the details in this very long thing. 267 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 3: Part of the el Sat is like long comprehension reading 268 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: and then remembering small things. Because there was a noise 269 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: and there was water dripping on my shoulder. I think 270 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: that's what happened to them. There was a crack in 271 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: the ceiling early on. And do you know what that 272 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: crack is? Money? Power, influence. You have people like Young 273 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: Miami reposting and putting hearts on people saying, glad you 274 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: aren't acting like a victim crying over some bullshit and 275 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: you're doing it and getting your thing popping. Okay, Well 276 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: that's a girlfriend and the single with his son saying 277 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: we got money, we'll always get away with everything. Y'all 278 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 3: don't have the money we have. Y'all don't have the 279 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: power we have. These are the lyrics. Okay, So when 280 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: that occurs, and then that weekend TMZ, which is known 281 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: to be very pro Ditty during this trial. Let's just 282 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: all stop fucking acting like everybody else is saying it. 283 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: I'll just say it for my own self. They were 284 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: getting pro Diddy during this trial. It was a very 285 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: quick verdict. It's too ethnic for me. There's a lot 286 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: of things that just don't look right. 287 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: Is it okay? Should we be criticizing the jury though. 288 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: Everybody says not to Everybody always says you can't blame 289 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: the jury. You can't blame the jury. I don't know. 290 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: To me, I'm not in a profession where I'm gonna 291 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: take heat for questioning the jury. I was convinced the 292 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: whole time I was in the band with her, I 293 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: had no idea who she really was. She was doing 294 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: these fucking freak off for fuck's sake, according to her 295 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: in her lawsuit. So to me, it's like, I think 296 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: I saw a path where you could insert yourself in 297 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: this trial if you wanted to, through the justice system, 298 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: and I think there were inserts that were just damning. Obviously, 299 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: Jane is just she's receiving payments from Diddy still, whether 300 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: it be for her home or her lawyer. She's being 301 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: paid for by Diddy. She threw this case really bad, 302 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 3: really really bad. Why the prosecution was putting her up 303 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: there and do with that type of damage. They were 304 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: trying to establish a pattern, but I don't think they 305 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: realized all the other things that she could establish as well. 306 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: And how long they kept her on was so damning 307 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: because people stopped when Casey was done. Everybody sent from 308 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: the courtroom to the podcast, we were like, that was horrific. 309 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: She took accountability, she said, the good and the bad. 310 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: I can't even come for her. I was nervous she 311 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 3: was going to try to skip around things and act 312 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: innocent like she didn't. 313 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: What are the conversations like and the feelings and everybody 314 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: you talked to about Cassy even to a fine Now, 315 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: she's a tough one to reconsile. A lot of it's 316 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: tough to reconcile. 317 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: I think you know, her lawyer said this, she was 318 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: doing fine and that she feels good that she was 319 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: part of at least bringing this man somewhere close to 320 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: some acknowledgment of who he is. And we all have 321 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 3: to agree that he would have gone and gotten his 322 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: Grammy inside last February he would have gone on with 323 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: this love movement and all. There's many civil suits during 324 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: the Love trial where people are claiming to have been 325 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 3: raped and really chaotic drugs, a lot of the same 326 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: things we were hearing in this trial, but to extreme 327 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: degrees when it's not a girlfriend. 328 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 2: Aubrey, I'm curious what you think about, Like, I know, 329 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: you talked a little bit about the jurors, and you 330 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: talked a little bit about the money and the power, 331 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: But what about the prosecution in terms of choosing the 332 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: charges that they decided to go with. I mean, we've 333 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: been talking and discussing why not and I don't know 334 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 2: if it's federal or state charges, but why not pursue 335 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: the charges that we know he committed that are provable 336 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: and indisputable assault, you know, all of things, you know, 337 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: the drug use, all of these things that could have 338 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: put them away for quite some time with actions that 339 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: he didn't even dispute, that he admitted to freely. 340 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: Because in my opinion, they saw exactly what I saw, 341 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 3: an organization of people that were committing crimes periods, and 342 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: that's a really scary thing and it doesn't look like 343 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: the mob anymore. We might just see a whole point 344 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: of white folks. Naga, We did see white folks doing it. 345 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, whatever the fuck the fat guy is, who's 346 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: in there now in the movie industry. Yeah, they're they're 347 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 3: starting to really like move around and take bigger looks. 348 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: We're not looking as a society yet, though, We're we're 349 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: still asking why did they go back? We just literally saw, 350 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: We just saw literally on display in front of the world. 351 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: We basically watched the National comm conversation about trauma, bonding 352 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 3: and the persistence of love, force abuse and toxic relationships. 353 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: And yet the audience is still asking, well, why did 354 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: they go back? We haven't even wrapped our heads around 355 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: that shit. Some women until I explained it to them, 356 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: they were like, man, I've done that, And I'm like, yeah, 357 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: she just did it to extreme degrees because that's what 358 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: did He liked extreme degrees of everything. But but either way, like, 359 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: I've read so many statements from people that are scared 360 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: to death. The chef scared to death told the judge 361 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: thank you for not that day, like hearing that he 362 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: could be going home that day. Every I don't know 363 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: how many like be careful, stay safe. Everybody called me 364 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: that I know that's on the victims side, and what 365 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: just looked at me on FaceTime and just were like, 366 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: he's always been untouchable and he remains that way. 367 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: Is that the problem here in this case? To that? Unfortunately, 368 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: that's there were complexities in context necessary. But everybody looks 369 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: at this as Diddy one and he got away with 370 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: abusing women and that's just it. So this sets us 371 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: all back. Do you do you think it's as simple 372 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: as that in this conversation or a lot more contexts 373 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: needs to be involved in there's a. 374 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: Lot more context That would be the opinion of someone 375 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: that just read some headlines. If you actually if you read, 376 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: I read every single civil soon to. 377 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: Your point, don't most people just read headlines as unfortunate 378 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: it is? 379 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: And maybe that's how the jury. I don't know if 380 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: the jury interpreted you just to understand they went home, 381 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: they weren't sequestered. You don't know what they looked at 382 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: or so I'll tell you right now, don't put me 383 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: on a jury, because if I get on a jury 384 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: and I'm not sequestered, I'm going to ask my man 385 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: to look every little thing up and tell me what 386 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: he's seen in his phone. 387 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: Oliver, that's going to get you out of jury duty. 388 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: That's fine, But I really like, I don't know how anyone. 389 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: All we live in is a tech savvy world where 390 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 3: everybody's on their phone, to stay off of it and 391 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: not see anything about this trial sounds ridiculous to me. 392 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 3: But again, if this were just a ritualistic punishment for 393 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 3: we just there are so many levels of power that 394 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: are just will forever be so unknown. There are so 395 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 3: many levels of power. You guys have seen the levels 396 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: that you've seen. You've seen what gets away at those levels, 397 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: and you've seen how an audience of people receives those levels. 398 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: And I'm sure that you guys have your own conversations 399 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: about how little you two can do as journalists to 400 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: ever really bridge that gap. Now think five billion times 401 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: past you, guys, because that's where Diddy's at. And then 402 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 3: think five billion times past him, because that's where the 403 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 3: white man is at, you know, the one who runs 404 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: our country. The courts are making bad calls that are 405 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: putting a lot of people's lives in danger in politics 406 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 3: and in entertainment. I said this to you guys in 407 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: the beginning. They are mirroring each other right now. If 408 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 3: there is anyone out there that is watching the news 409 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: unfold with either of those two places, media and politics, 410 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: and they agree with what is occurring, and they agree 411 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: with the court's positioning on the things that are happening 412 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: right now, please say the fuck away from me, all 413 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: the way to fuck away from me. Please go sound 414 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: don't breathe on me. I don't want to catch it. 415 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 3: I don't even want to fucking catch it. If it 416 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: means I don't get to have a career, fine, y'all, 417 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: motherfuckers have I've been miserable in this life. It is 418 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: not a beautiful, wonderful life. It wasn't for any of 419 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 3: the girls that took that stand. Diddy did not offer 420 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 3: a wonderful experience where you've got to have the most insane, cool, 421 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: brilliant job ever. Like Mark Agniffolo, let's hope karm is 422 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: not real for his sake, But either way, like and 423 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: that's he's doing, that's his job. But like I've said 424 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 3: this many times when I've been on this podcast, that's 425 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 3: a fucking dirty job. It's a stump, it's a scumbag job. 426 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: And and and there is not anyone that I have 427 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: spoken to that thinks did he is a reformed man. 428 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: He might. He might create a whole narrative though of reformation. 429 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 3: He's great at at rebranding and redirecting. I think his 430 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: smartest move will be in redirecting all of his abilities 431 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 3: into his children and making money off of them and 432 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: branding them out there in the world. Is the new it, this, 433 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: that and the other? Because I I don't know what's 434 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 3: part of his deal that he did with the Devil, 435 00:24:50,560 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 3: because everybody does them. 436 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: Well, Aubrey, it's interesting you mentioned because Mark Adnifilo did 437 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: an interview with the AP over the weekend and he 438 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: talks a little bit about what Diddy is going to 439 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: do when he gets out of prison and whether. 440 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's that you have a documentary and album? 441 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: You already released the album. 442 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: Well, he said, he said he's going straight to a 443 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: clinic where he was going to re enter a rehabilitation 444 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: center for domestic abusers, for people who abuse. So do 445 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: you think that he is capable of rehabilitation? 446 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: First of all, if you watch in court when the 447 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: first of all, here's my theories on it. Those two 448 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: days where everyone reported him being scared of shit. His 449 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: lawyer's telling him, look, this is what's coming in and 450 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 3: him being like shocked. They said, he looked like he 451 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: was going to vomit, like his face flushed, and there 452 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: are people that had eyes directly on his entire team 453 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: and him. I think you do a deal with the devil. 454 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 3: They promised you. You don't put on a defense, you 455 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: don't throw anyone else under. You'll get away. But you 456 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: never know if that's really gonna work until it works, right, 457 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: I've never done a deal with the devil, but I 458 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 3: can assume you don't really trust the devil. But at 459 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: a certain point, maybe you get locked so caught up 460 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 3: in a situation that you got to make a deal, 461 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 3: but you don't really know if the devil's gonna screw you. 462 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, what I watched 463 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: was this like steer and then this release, and we 464 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 3: all saw how he went out. When the jury was 465 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 3: released and they got their instructions, he stood up and 466 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 3: said the judge to the judge, you did a great job, sir. 467 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: I'm feeling great. Good job on this case. Good job 468 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: this freak out has been. You did a good job. 469 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: I've managed like what they said. I asked, I asked, Elizabeth, 470 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: did the judge look like, what the fuck? And she 471 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: was like, he gave an uncomfortable like okay. And I 472 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: was like, was it like a long one like flattery 473 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 3: or was it a short one like I've never had 474 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: anyone do that. This is weird as shit. And if 475 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 3: she said the first like, it was weird as shit. 476 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: And so then then when they say he said that 477 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna let him go for his own, his own, 478 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: his own defense team's reasons throughout the case, they said, 479 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: he looks shocked and then he raised his hand in 480 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: court and and asked to speak to the judge. And 481 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 3: then Mark ran back, was like, whoa, he wants to 482 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 3: speak to you directly. Hold on vibity bobbity vivity, bobbity 483 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: vivity bobbity. And then did he sat down? He probably 484 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 3: said something like, are you trying to fuck with the 485 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: system again, sir? We already saw where this got you 486 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: the first time. Sit the fuck down. So frankly, in 487 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 3: my opinion, it's gonna be really hard for him to 488 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: go and have uh some therapist talk with him about 489 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 3: domestic violence and his alcohol and drug problems. He's got 490 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: his sons outside of court singing their hit song. Yo, 491 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: We're rich, We're rich, We're famous. Where we always get 492 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 3: away with everything? Hose what looking my bitch tworked? Hey? 493 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: We have that going on outside. We have fucking people 494 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: pouring baby oil all over themselves outside of a federal building. 495 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: You have people inside clapping, standing and screaming. Dream team, 496 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: dream team. This team wasn't did jack shit? I mean 497 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: Ojay's team. That's a dream team. The glove doesn't have fit. 498 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: Don't make sure you don't take your diabetes medication. Make 499 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: sure that glove. That shit was genius. You can't hate that. 500 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: That was actually a genius play. There was nothing genius 501 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 3: that occurred. Mark Agnicholo's clothing was horrible. In my opinion. 502 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: It worked, though, didn't it. This guy was facing life 503 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: in prison. He might be out. I mean he thought 504 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: he was going to be out last week. He was 505 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: facing life. Now. They're a strategy and all this, but 506 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: didn't it work. Whatever they did, it worked on these 507 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: twelve people that they were in the room with. 508 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: And then maybe someday we will understand all the reasons 509 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: why there are systems at play that are much bigger 510 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: than you, that make decisions about you, that make choices 511 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: about you, that make calls on you, And depending on 512 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: what level you're on, you will be dismissed. If they 513 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: want to dismiss you, and if you're causing problems or 514 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: they really just don't like you, don't throw a little 515 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: bit of pr in the miss and dirry your name 516 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: up a bit. 517 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: So you're saying there was something undwards or something else 518 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: going on with this jury, you don't know about that. 519 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: Listen, we know all the way up until the very 520 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: first day of jury selection that witnesses were just going missing. 521 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean, r were you thinking there's something like something 522 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: was going on with this jury? Like you're saying, this 523 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: is not a legit vert verdict, because. 524 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: I think the jury was pretty They all have like 525 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: pretty good resumes. I didn't I saw people that, like, 526 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: I didn't see anything funny in that regard. What I'm 527 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: saying to you is, first of all, jury, a lot 528 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: of jury deliberations are sign of the times. We are 529 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: normalizing case US right now. We are also normalizing that 530 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: the political and celebrity world are bonkers, shit crazy and 531 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: do weird ass shit that ain't my life. Though we 532 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: are also at a time where we are really on 533 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 3: the messaging that ain't my shit, though I'm worried about 534 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: me myself and I I've seen very few people along 535 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: this way. True, we give a fuck about me, but 536 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: they all want me to show up when it's time 537 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 3: to show up. So at the end of the day, 538 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: if that's where we live in and that's what it is, 539 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: and that's the mentality, it is what it is. 540 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: You have, you will you change how you operate, how 541 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: you live your life? Is there fear you said people 542 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: were checking in on you? 543 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: You okay, I'm low hanging fruit. I'm low hanging fruit. 544 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I don't think that I would. I would 545 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: wait to see what happens with the girls civil trial 546 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: before I would come forward and say anything. 547 00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: I will. 548 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: I will always allow my story to be heard at 549 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: the right time. But do I care to know the answer? No, 550 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: it won't matter. And the feeling of knowing the answer 551 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: and it not mattering, it's so horrible. It's just better 552 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: to leave it alone, especially if it's not, like you know, 553 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: bringing sickness to my life. And then I don't know, 554 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just another gut punch like the one 555 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 3: we saw him give Cassie at the Inner Continental. We're 556 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: used to taking them. I got used to taking them 557 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: at a very young age. It hurts every time you're embarrassed, 558 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: you're humiliated, you feel like shit is a person. You 559 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 3: think about it all day long, you obsess You ask 560 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 3: all of your friends of your about your work and 561 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: your credibility. And I guess if you spend enough of 562 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: your life being around that toxic shit, you kind of 563 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 3: just start to learn who you are and not give 564 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: a fuck about anybody else for their opinions. 565 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: It has been fascinating to witness this and watch this 566 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: trial with you and through your lens and your experience 567 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: and the people you know, from Don Richard to Ditty 568 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: himself and I know that. 569 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: And Kassie and Caprick, Jakie, Jane Doe and the other 570 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: will Mia. 571 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's deeply personal to you and for you, 572 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: and so we just I just want to say thank 573 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: you for being vulnerable, for being open to sharing your experiences, 574 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: how you're. 575 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: Feeling, what the people who. 576 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: You know, who know more than any of us what 577 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: really was going on in that world. I just want 578 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: to say thank you because it's brave of you to 579 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 2: speak out and to speak your truth, and I think 580 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: it will empower a lot of folks who are on 581 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: the fence or who don't feel comfortable saying how they 582 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: feel or what happened to them. 583 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 3: For a message for those people, You're welcome, thank you. 584 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: A message to those people would be this is far 585 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: from over. It's far from over. R Kelly had a 586 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: victory lap, so did oj did. He's getting one right now. 587 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 3: Who you are and how you treat other people is 588 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 3: your karma in life. And we've missed the first round 589 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: on many players, so I think the karma will catch up. 590 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 3: And there are still no lawsuit has pulled out yet, 591 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 3: no civil lawsuit has pulled out yet. And there was 592 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 3: another one filed and it involves STDs now, so now 593 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: we're finally getting into the STD part about this that 594 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 3: I told you guys from the beginning, but it wasn't 595 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: entering the conversation until the end. But like I said, 596 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: you can't get people STDs without their knowledge. So that's 597 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 3: going to bring forward a whole lot of other problems 598 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 3: for a lot of people too. 599 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: Give us enough that a positive or something we can 600 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: take from what we just went through for eight weeks 601 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: and take and do something positive with it moving forward. 602 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: Give us something because this is always it's no winners 603 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: and no losers. That's saying something like everybody lost. I 604 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: mean except for getting to be quite honest with me, 605 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: to be facing life not taking as much. 606 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: If he were reformable and this were you were surrounded 607 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 3: by people that are gonna hold him accountable. We don't 608 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: have anyone just taking accountability at this point for their behavior. 609 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 3: I've been doing jobs for the past couple of months 610 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: where there is no accountability for behavior. It just get 611 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 3: blamed on this person or this person, but no one 612 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: just holds himselves accountable, and it's like, hey, it's just 613 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 3: this We for some reason think that we can't ever 614 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 3: be wrong, as if any human isn't flawed. We need 615 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 3: to start holding ourselves accountable. But accountability, unfortunately, is not 616 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 3: a silver lining I can give to you because the reaction, 617 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 3: the family, the twerking, the song, the rap performance, all 618 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: of the movements are showing me the accountability is just garbage. 619 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 3: There just out of respect for understanding that my father 620 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: or son had done everything that I had just heard 621 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: for two months, I would feel I guess if that's 622 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 3: the type of mom or parent, you are good in 623 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 3: your heart that your kid's not going away for life. 624 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 3: But I certainly wouldn't stand and applaud him like you 625 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 3: are king, sir, standing ovation, sir, brilliant what you just did? 626 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: Hit her again? Give me another video, actually, pull the 627 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 3: one with a freak op where Kassie's choking on piss, 628 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 3: so your daughter can watch it one more time. There's 629 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 3: no accountability over there, and the money will come back 630 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 3: and the shit will get more reckless, and Kanye and 631 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 3: Diddy and Trump and Trump might pardon him. We could 632 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 3: see that on the final amount of the charges. If 633 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 3: that doesn't happen, I think the judge is probably pretty 634 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 3: DISCRB and I don't think like time served would be 635 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 3: his direction if he's a fair guy. 636 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: I agree with him that the judge seemed to be 637 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: shook by a lot of self eavens. You can hear 638 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,479 Speaker 1: it in the truck. 639 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 3: I mean, just the fact that did he raised his 640 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 3: hand to speak with him about his decision. Crazy. That's 641 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 3: crazy talk, very very very but but I think I 642 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 3: think reform for them isn't in the pictures. I think 643 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 3: revenge and slowly and you know, but I'm not on 644 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 3: video and not with your fingerprints on the Malotov cocktail certainly. 645 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 3: But like I think it's I don't think it's going 646 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: to be good. I'm not high up on that list. 647 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: But I know everybody. I know everybody that is silver 648 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 3: lining TJ. Gott. I've been asking myself that for days now. 649 00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 3: Silver lining. 650 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: I mean he's been coming. I mean with the Ember 651 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: heard Johnny Depp, even with you go back to I mean, 652 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: the me Too movement, we were supposed to learn something 653 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 1: and do better on the next one that came around. 654 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: I guess what can we all did better? 655 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: I spoke with the woman. I spoke with a person 656 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 3: that spoke interviewed the woman who started me to about 657 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 3: this trial, and she said, sexual abuse charges are rarely 658 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 3: ever brought to a federal level. They're almost impossible to 659 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 3: try because of the piece that lost them on this side, 660 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 3: which is that coercion piece. Who do you believe the 661 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 3: person this one or that one? Do you believe what 662 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: they wrote or do you believe what they're telling you 663 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 3: they intended when they wrote something. They're just so hard 664 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 3: to prove, And it's always, it's always, do you believe 665 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 3: this person. Yeah, you know, we believed Cassie and then 666 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 3: unfortunately we had to believe Jane Doe, and she made 667 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 3: it very hard to even like to see it any 668 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 3: other type of way. I think on purpose that Grol 669 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 3: should stay in hiding or so she'll price be at 670 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 3: Ditty's house with young Miami waiting in a fucking vat 671 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 3: of baby oil. But I think the silver lining is 672 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 3: what she said. These sexual abuse cases against women rarely 673 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 3: get tried at sedal levels. We're not winning them yet. 674 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 3: Women are never made president, but we've had some pretty 675 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 3: great ones try. Unfair shit is happening in the workplace 676 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 3: that is disturbing, disgusting and downright abusive, and it's still occurring. 677 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 3: You think me too. And a whole lot of things 678 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 3: would have stopped people from putting things in writing that 679 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 3: are abusive, like you're not worth any of my time, 680 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 3: You're not worth a dollar a cent to even talk to. 681 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: That was written to me in the past month. It's 682 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 3: crazy to put things like that in writing. But unfortunately, 683 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 3: there are a lot of people that have power that 684 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 3: are still working it in ways that are horrific and disgusting. 685 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 3: I think I guess I'd go with her silver lining 686 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 3: for now. But I don't think Diddy's reformed, and I 687 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 3: think that he got his first victory lap and I 688 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 3: think there's more to come. This is not the end. 689 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 2: I think that could be the positive too, that the 690 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: fact that, yes we're talking about it, if sting discussed. 691 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 2: There hasn't been a victory, so to speak. But he 692 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 2: is behind bars right now and he will stay there 693 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 2: for some time. And that's something. It's not everything, but 694 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: it's something, and now. 695 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 3: Silver lining could be. Look around you and ask people 696 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 3: what they feel about this trial. If you're dating a 697 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 3: man that's now all of a sudden wearing free Ditty 698 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 3: shirts and is like out there, can you imagine? Did 699 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 3: you see how alive everyone became when he got off 700 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: on the bigger charges? Y'all were silent. This man didn't 701 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 3: have one person to back him, no one to take 702 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 3: the stand for him. Nobody wanted to touch him, nobody 703 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 3: in the entertainment. If there are people coming forward now, 704 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 3: like Cassie, you was a hoe and you know it. 705 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,720 Speaker 3: You were doing shit just like him and both y'all, 706 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: I mean, Doc Funk Master Fletch just wrote that and 707 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 3: like a public message, I would say, like start watching 708 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 3: who's saying what, and women take notes, and if you're 709 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 3: dating any of them or in sexual relations or emotional 710 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 3: relationships with them, be very very careful or in my opinion, 711 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: get the fuck away immediately before they take too much 712 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 3: of you. 713 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 2: I mean, there is a lesson for a lot of 714 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: folks out there, and women specifically. Aubrey, thank you. Thank 715 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 2: you for folks through this trial helping us understand better 716 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 2: and hope all of our listeners appreciated just all of 717 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 2: the insights that you were able to provide. 718 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: So thank you. 719 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 2: Aubrey. Just want to say thank you all for listening. 720 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 2: I mean you robot On, behalf of my partner T J. Holmes, 721 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,280 Speaker 2: and Aubrey O'Day, thank you, thank you, thank you for 722 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 2: coming along this journey with us. 723 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 3: Thank you guys. A