WEBVTT - Ep. 135: Titillation 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.360 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:25.520 can't predict anything, um, Seth Morris. Can you tell everybody 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.040 about the deal with the stop sign you were telling 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.480 me about? Oh so um. In in previous podcasts, I've 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.680 heard you guys talk about what you've heard. Turkey's Gobble 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:41.400 too Yes, um, which is a long, expansive list list. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.080 Uh so um one. I'm from Pennsylvania. You can't hunt 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.120 on Sundays, So, which is another thing I'd like to 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.519 talk about. Yeah, if there's three things I like to 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:57.920 talk about, Okay, it's deep Sunday hunting, laws and ship 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.040 Turkey's Gobble Too perfect that's the things I'm interested in. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.080 So and this this ties in two of those things. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:06.520 If you were packing a dip, this would be a 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.200 great story for me. That was that was high school 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.920 I might have been. So this is my kind of story. Yeah, 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.600 this is all the stuff I like in it. Yeah. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.440 So um on Sunday, So, me and my buddy went 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.600 out on Sunday just listened for birds. It was during 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.319 the season, and we went to the spot where we 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.160 could like look down this big hollow in Pennsylvania. Calm 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.119 hollows you do Yep, you guys can't do that. Yeah, 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.520 we can hollow, No, not holler hollow. Okay, I was 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.759 gonna accuse you of cultural appropriation. It's still the same way, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.400 but they actually pronounce it. We call him hollows. Really, Yeah, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.200 you grew up saying that. Yep, dude, I would have 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.559 known what anybody was talking about. I live up curtain hollow. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.320 That's how I used to live up curtain hollow pencil. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.560 Someone asked me where I lived, I'd say, up curtain hollow. 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.520 Do you guys say fixing? Some people do? That depends 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.800 on the person. One time I had was getten the 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.480 off from Missouri, and he told me I was getting 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.200 a six pack of guys. So I would just kind 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.560 of rotate through him throughout the week and we get back. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.480 You know, everybody's telling what they heard, what they saw. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.560 The old man looked at me and he said, I 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.679 heard a bull over there hollering in the holler. I 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.040 didn't know what he was talking about. They say hollow 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:25.760 in Pennsylvania, yep, huh. Anyway, we're most have been when 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.240 all them boys is up fighting at Gettysburg. They introduced 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.560 when Lee raided the North. They must introduced that term. Yeah, 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.480 I don't know. I don't know where it came from, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.600 but they use it. Um anyway, looking over this hollow 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.600 and weren't hearing anything and just getting ready to leave, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.239 and there was a stop where at an intersection. M 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.040 there's a stop sign there. So I pick up a rock, 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.720 throw it at the stop sign. Okay, stop there. Uh? 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.640 Were you hucking the rock out of stop sign as 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:00.040 out of vandalism, out of a vandalism impulse? No, it 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.320 was more of like, I wonder if I can hit 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.320 that with a rock. Okay, I got it. Yeah, I'm 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.799 with you. So I did that, and I hit it 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.320 and two birds fired off up on the hill. So 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:15.040 we've got the ads hooking rocks that stop signs. That's 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.000 another one. That's something you could just carry on in 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.920 your truck. A rock you don't you want to carry 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.040 against your tire. You gotta get a new turkey vest 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.160 that has a stop sign staples hung on the back 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.079 of here. Um. Northing I want to touch on real 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:34.880 quick is a lot of people wrote in about this. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.720 It's not that fresh of the story anymore. But there's 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.120 a famous skier who, Yeah, he's heard of. How many 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.120 people in here have heard of Andrew McClean the skier 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.280 I have not? Mm hmm. You had heard of his 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.240 book that he wrote, the Shooting Gallery, heard of the 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:59.680 book The Bible of Yeah, Utah's wash Sash Mountain skiing. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.640 So this guy in his in his uh as his 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:09.720 girlfriend or wife um famous skier pillars of the community. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:16.520 She's actually some kind of assistant city attorney wife. His 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:22.000 wife Andrew McLean and his wife Polly Samuels McLean um 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.840 out in the woods. Happened to be toting around I 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.600 guess a set of bolt cutters and steal a dude 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:34.000 in Utah um near Park City, steal a dude's tree stand, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.039 a couple of tree stands, and steal a trail camera. 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.360 But they screw up and he misses one of the 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:46.560 trail camps down the trail. So the hunter gets an 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.720 image on his trail camp or the other dude packing 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.520 out his trail cam and tree stands, and he goes 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.440 and puts the image up online and a couple of 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.520 hundred groups help him out bread and the image around 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.640 and pretty soon it gets identified as this famous skier 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.360 in his pillar of the community wife who now have 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:18.560 felony charges facing felony charges. I guess he just came 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.200 out said it's inexcusable. He has no excuse, horrible thing 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.760 to do. I'd like to know if he's a skier, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.000 no man that everything. Listen. I haven't dug into it 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.040 too deep, but I haven't read any suggesting that he 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.120 was stealing the stuff because he needed a new tree stand. Well, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.160 he can't use it now if he's got felony, if 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.040 he gets charged to felony, because we get a felony, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:46.280 you can't have a gun, right, Yeah he could bow hunt. 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.880 Oh yeah, you could bow hunt. I have his tree stand. Oh, 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.400 I see what you're saying, you know, like if he's 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.599 stealing it for hunting purposes and now he can't even 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.880 what's weird is he brought it home. Yeah, he didn't 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.599 just go and throw it down in a ditch donna 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:04.440 do or a hollo or a hollo. He brought it home. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.560 I I don't know if he's speaking to what his 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.760 motivations were. Did he really need a tree stand in 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.360 a trail cam? That bad? The like? I don't know. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.320 I can't back this up. I don't. I haven't looked 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.240 into it, but everything I've read has carried with it 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.520 the suggestion that they were doing it because they think 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.400 that hunters can suck it. But I don't know he hasn't. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:27.960 I don't know that he said. It's just like people 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.960 that the insinuation. Why don't just leave that note hunters 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.719 can suck it on the guy's tree stand rather than 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.680 take his tree stand because he likes he's a man 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.800 of action. Did his wife comment, I haven't read where 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.279 she's had a comment. He's got a lot more to lose. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.160 It sounds like because um, you know, he's he's like 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.200 a person that people look up to in a outdoor 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.640 enthusiast and probably has some has probably enjoyed some level 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.480 of his life and success utilizing public lands. And here 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.880 he is trashed on someone else's legal right to put 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.839 a couple of temporary hunting implements out on public land 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.880 and violation of nothing. So yeah, it looks pretty bad 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.400 for the guy. I'm just I just read the little 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.400 piece of Powder Magazines website did on it, and uh, 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.320 they're also saying, well, they start off by saying that 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.080 there's been animosity between skiers and backpackers toward hunters over 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.960 the years, but it appears, according to reports, McLean decided 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.720 to find takes in his own hands, which I feel 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:30.520 like it's kind of bullshit because I've been living in 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.080 both those worlds for over well over a decade, close 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.080 to two decades, and I've never had seen any kind 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:44.520 of animosity between those groups. You laurened man, you've never 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.840 had any like you never had any like a little 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.240 bit of trailhead tension. No, but it's kind of different 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.520 a backpacker or a skier. It's from freaking some lady 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.560 with a little micro dog that's from way out of town, 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.200 not a not a mouth, a recreator like like that's 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.680 or backpackers, Yeah, I got you, maybe some kind of 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.080 animal rights activists, who knows, you know, but animosity between 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.680 hunters and skiers doesn't seem to really I guarantee you 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.480 go dig to this guy's garbage. There's some meat scraps 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.840 in that garbage. I don't really know. I shouldn't say that. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.760 What am I talking about? I'm saying that he's meeting 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:30.400 or not a vegetarian, But I'm just bumping Powder magazine 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.559 is putting this out there that you know, someone should 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.600 be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Um yeah 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.600 I never really liked hunters either. Yeah, I don't say 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.800 that and start start a thing where there's not a thing, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.040 you know. Yeah. They end their little piece here by 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.199 saying somewhere a krusty local tips his glass fills. That 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.839 mean because they said not to condone criminal activity. But 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.240 but Andrew McLean may have just written himself deeper into 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.880 backcountry ski lower with this one. No real, Yeah, that's 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.400 what I'm saying. I'm a little disciple. Want to talk 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:12.880 about something really really that says yeah, but okay, moving on? Uh. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.520 In an episode called an Object in Its Shadow, we 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.840 were talking about an area where a ram, a doll 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.360 ram was laying where he had a little cubby of 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.960 rock that protected him his back. So he had he's viewing, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:30.600 he's looking out in a panoramic view, but he's protected 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.120 from behind by an outcrop and overhanging outcrop of rock, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:37.880 and we were talking about how it's kind of like 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.920 this perfect spot where he can see everything blow him, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.679 and then he's got a buffer, a barrier behind him, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.720 so something that comes immediately behind him might not see him, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.280 And I was saying, how white tail bucks like to 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.240 lay it like that too, where they'll get on kind 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.000 of like right towards the top of a ridge and 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.920 they'll lay up with their back kind of curled against 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.240 the log or an overhang or something, and they can 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.719 look out down blown so they got some protection and 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.360 hit their hidden from behind and can see below. And 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.800 this dude wrote in to say that it sounds an 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:13.079 awful lot like what the geographer Jay Appleton called the 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:19.600 prospect refuge theory in his book The Experience of Landscape, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.160 and he says the prospect refuge theory goes that people 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:28.079 humans prefer the edges of environments with a vista in 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.719 front and protection from the back and sides, based on 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.400 the evolutionary understanding that this increased the probability of survival 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:40.280 for early humans by protecting them from unseen dangers. The 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.480 theory is widely accepted and applied as a design principle 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:52.520 in landscape architecture an interior design. That's interesting. On a 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.640 similar note, Buck Bowden on another episode was talking about 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.600 how and nature things are around and we got talking about, um, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.360 how we build humans build squares now, and he was 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.439 saying it's just been proven time and again that that 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.720 when it comes to buildings, squares are just a much 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.920 more efficient use of space. And he mentioned imagine that 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.440 you have a bunch of round objects and you stack 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:21.200 them in place. You have a lot of empty yeah gaps. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.720 But you build square and fill with right you build 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.960 right angles and fill with right angles, and you find 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.880 that you have a lot less wasted space and more 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.320 usable Yeah. Look at New York City. If everything was round, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.079 it wouldn't work, It would be a mess, would be 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.600 another quick piece. Dude road in saying he can't listen 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:46.560 anymore because we talk about DIP too much. I'm sensitive 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.480 to that, and I don't want to talk about DIP anymore. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.560 But I have a couple of final thoughts on DIP 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.400 because that for one guy that is sick of hearing 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.120 about DIP, it seems like a lot of other people 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.839 dippers want their voices to be heard. So I just 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.600 shook a guy's hand today, great guy, and I'm walking 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.000 up to shake his hand. I see him take his 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.840 finger and scoop out with his shaking hand. With shaking 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.040 hand him to like him like a lot, like him 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:19.000 a lot. It's a little etiquette. Um, I'm assuming it 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:25.240 sanitized it. So guy writes in to say this. He goes, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.480 you know, I'm glad you guys are discussing the finer 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.120 points of dipping. And he was saying that he used 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:35.680 to follow a hockey player named Miko Savonin, known as 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:40.599 the Flying Finn. And this guy got himself a a 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:46.800 plunger used in the application of his ministering drugs two dogs, 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.679 because he would put his dip in his plunger and 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.199 pack it real tight. I don't know what do you 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.720 get out of packing it tight? He's like a nice 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.280 tight pack. Does that make sense? Well, I guess you 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.200 just don't want it to all apart and yelling your teeth. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.079 He put it in the tube and then use the 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.640 plunger part to compact it and make it into a 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.040 sort of plug. He then put this in his upper 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.679 lip and no one could ever tell it was in. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:17.839 We called it the upper decker, not to be confused 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.520 with the upper deck where you pooping this top jack 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.679 of someone's toilet um. And I actually when when we're 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.240 down here today, I have to go buy apart from 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.520 my col or toilet um. Another guy wrote in to 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.480 talk about the same thing where he's saying that in 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.880 high school, dipping was so bad, and him and his 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.040 friends dipped so much that when they came into class, 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.120 the teacher to make them lying up and inspect their 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.920 lips to make sure they weren't coming into class, and 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.240 they took the hide and scold bandits in their upper 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.679 lip to get away from it. He says that they 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.800 would run both upper deckers and lower deckers at the 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.320 same time, and they took the calling it a full 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:04.800 stadium that customated even that much more fun to be 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.760 different when you had to come in with like a 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.560 chipmunk and have your teacher inspect your mouth and then 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.680 sit down and be like, I still got two in advice, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.880 stadium to the full stadium is the best thing in 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.120 the world. Man. Uh, that's infer any kind of newsy 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.680 type of objects. We're just coming back from um coming 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.600 back from big Yeah, you could probably go as far 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.080 as it called a big elk hunt. A big elk 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:36.160 hunt in extreme south eastern Washington State, which is some dry, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:42.440 rocky gass country. People that aren't from that area, I 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.640 think like they didn't realize. How about the difference between 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:49.760 Western in eastern Washington. Like people know Seattle right for 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.440 all of its rain and everything, but you know half 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.240 that state more and half the state lays and kind 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.880 of in the rain shadow of the Cascades where whether 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.240 you know, comes off the Pacific Ocean and the air 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:08.880 is laden with water. And as all that air gets 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:14.200 pushed up over the Cascades, that compresses, the water density increases, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.840 comes out as precipitation and then it's pretty much dry 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.880 air that moves from there, and that and other factors 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:25.200 has led to like great aridity in eastern Washington. And 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.600 so we were hunting like a really dry ass desert 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.200 ass place in Washington, and the unit, I'll just tell you, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.240 you could have plucked us from one of those mountain 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.320 sides now up high, because down low in the bottom 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.800 is a different story. But up high, you could have 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.320 taken yourself off one of those mountain sides and put 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.120 yourself on a Mexican hillside and then the Sonora and 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.400 you wouldn't have known you moved. It was a lot 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:58.360 like Sonora, dry rock, only grass stage lush bottoms. Give 0:15:58.440 --> 0:15:59.960 that place a little bit of soil and a little 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.760 of water, a little bit of shade, and you get 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.480 these thick hell hole bottoms. I'd go far so far 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:10.960 as the calm hell holes. Yeah, john rock, juniper like juniper, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:18.680 ponderosa pine, western hemlock, yep, western hemlock. And then uh, 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.080 and then down the bottoms of a great array of 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.520 fruiting plants. Yeah, they were fern down there, and there's 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:34.680 green thick aldership, wild rose, elderberry, choke, cherry um, which 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.600 made it feel jungle like. I mean, we're crawling through 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:42.760 some thick stuff down in there. Uh. The unit, I'll 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.200 just I'll just tell you the unit. People are always 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:45.840 calling us to ask us about what units we were 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.960 in doing this, and that it was Unit one seventy 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.520 two Mountain View because it's a really hard tag to draw. Um, 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.280 we've explained this to thousand times. But like in hunting, 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.480 you know, if you have if you have the supply 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.240 of animals, it doesn't meet the demand. What you need 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.680 to do is you need to you need to limit 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.440 how many people are getting after it. And so you 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.240 did do these things called permit draws. Right, So this 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:13.960 area we're hunting, and they only give out I think 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.320 they give out you know somewhere ten you know some 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.320 of years ten or fourteen archery elk tags for a 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.160 unit that's about a hundred square a hundred square miles 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:28.880 uh and and and and you need to accumulate what's 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.560 called bonus points to draw the permit, So you need 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.879 to have a typically you would need to have applied 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.280 unsuccessfully for one of these units, you know, between three 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.440 and ten years, in order to have any reasonable chance 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.440 of going and drawing the one seven to permit. And I, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.800 after living in Washington State for three years, accumulated enough 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.440 bonus points to go and draw the unit for one 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.600 seventy two. And what they call it in Washington is 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.840 they call a quality elk unit UM because there's a 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.280 lot of stuff you can just go. You know, in 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.000 the western part of the state, where success rates are 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.760 extremely low and hunting conditions are extremely difficult because you're 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:16.560 hunting coastal rainforest, UM, you can have a lot of 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.760 people take a crack at it, and since it's so hard, 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.600 very few and kill elk anyway. But in the eastern 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.119 part of the state, where it's open country and just 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.360 to kind of like the elk act differently and it's 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.040 easier to find them, you need to limit access and 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.040 so they give these these permit draws out and I 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.800 drew one of these permits to go hunt one two, 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.440 and I just got like a buddy recommended the unit 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.159 to me. I never stepped foot in the place. Um, 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.040 hadn't even really been that close to it. And so 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.840 it was like one of those rare conditions circumstances where 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.640 you go to hunt big game in a place you've 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.080 never laid eyes on. We show up down there and 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.000 uh ridge tell them the first thing that we saw, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:07.159 big old fire, big fire covered in smoke, a lot 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.600 of smoke made for really we've showed up at sunset 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.560 and like pop down this big ridge and look down 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.240 in this valley. It's really pretty. But yeah, did not 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:18.600 make it easy for glassing some of the days. Yeah, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.280 when we showed up, it was actually too smoky to 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:28.040 glass the creek. The drainage. Real hunting is Manachi manatchi 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.880 creek and show up and it's just like smoky as 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:37.199 all get out, hot and sunny. What's wrong on um? 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:44.880 And right away I get the idea, like like when 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:46.280 you do something that you get in your head that 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.440 it's gonna be um, you get in your head that's 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.840 gonna be all you can think about, like all the 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.399 good stuff, because if you look online, the reputation of 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:59.400 this particular unit is that it's prohibitively steep, very nasty, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.000 but having tons of elk in it, which one of 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:08.040 being very accurate assessment totally. But we show up and 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.800 we drive to a spot, like every camp spot has 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.080 someone camped in it, and then we drive to a 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:20.120 spot and it's like, um, just trucks and dudes, lots 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:25.159 of trucks, lots of dudes, lots of wall tense set up. 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.760 What you don't agree with that, you, Alice, I mean, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.159 it's all relative to me. It wasn't that out of 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.359 out of the ordinary what we saw go on, but 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.359 it definitely freaked you guys out. You guys definitely felt 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.359 like the pressure. I think, well, I didn't feel It's not. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:41.840 I think I was surprised by it because the last 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.720 three trips that I've done have been in Alaska, where 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.520 you just you fly in and you don't see anybody. 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.080 The last three trips you don't those have all been Alaska. Yeah, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.600 it was the last one of fog Mack, and uh 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:55.399 so you just fly in and see the dudes that 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.159 you're with. You don't roll up to your spot and 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.520 see like a bunch of in the next human trailers. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.760 I got you, So then you're coming from that. You're 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.040 coming from that context. And then I'm like, oh god, 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.040 there's a lot of people in our spot. But what's 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.200 weird is what is like the weird thing is everyone 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.199 we're talking to. We pulled into place and there's how 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.040 many trucks are parked where we pull in where we 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:20.560 slept two trucks there, and but both of them come up. 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.040 Both of the guys come up at dusk separately, and 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:30.840 both of them are like, dude, there's bulls everywhere, right, 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.560 And he's like I was in there working them, and 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.040 Tommy and Doug there camped down the other way. They 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.720 were working them, and Bill and Harvey were working them. 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.520 Jay and Dan are working them tomorrow, and it's like, wow, 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:50.000 it's a chaos around here. And I got a little 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.000 panicky and decided to go off somewhere. They had no 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:57.400 elk ended up not having any help because I think 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.840 it was coincidence because later we heard there were elk 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.159 that is on. Yeah, well here's the other part. What 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.200 So we get up on that big hill and to 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.879 the left of us. As a smoke, it's like apocalyptic 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.640 to the left of you're saying the movie Apocalypto. Yes, 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:22.479 movies a real disappointment, real disappointment. Um, would you love 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.000 that movie? I've never seen it? Okay, what was that 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.400 little look thinking we might we might need to find out? Yeah, 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:35.760 oh Apocalypto. Okay, it's about is it worth finding out 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.159 for yourself? No. I was drawn to it because it 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.320 involves hunting and hunters. But these are like pre Colombian 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:49.960 um people in the people in meso America, like indigenous 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.080 hunters from meso America. And the movie actually like ends 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:59.359 with your ends with the arrival of Um, ends with 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:03.240 the arrived of Europeans. So it's presuming me the action 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:07.600 takes place and it's about a guy you know and 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.480 his they get kidnapped by the bad as tex or 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.000 whatever and he needs to get back and it starts 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:17.800 just like just like Last of the Mohicans, just like, um, 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.480 what was the really bad Mountain Man movie that Leonardo Revenant? 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.359 The Revenuet Like it's a group of dudes. It starts 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.000 out with a bunch of dudes chasing a big game animal. Like, 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.439 if you want to get people sucked into a movie, 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:33.399 apparently you have a bunch of dudes in a very 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:37.200 unrealistic hunting situation chasing a big game animal creeping through 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:40.800 the woods and they catch tape here in the beginning 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:45.159 of Apocalypto, and knowing that these people probably would have 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:54.600 used small stone flakes and probably very carefully disarticulated their 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.240 tape here, instead he pulls out like a giant dagger 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:02.520 and like stabs it into its guts, and I'm like, man, man, 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:06.480 you know, why are you gotta Why are you gotta 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.479 Just It's always like that when people are hunting movies. Um, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:17.280 what was I talking about? It looked apocalyptic, not Apocalypto 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.159 the movie. It looked apocalyptic, like the end of the 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:25.240 end of existence. But to the right it got tricky 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.720 because some people would hear the sound we heard to 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:29.960 the right and think it was apocalyptic, and some people 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:31.720 would hear the sound to the right and think that 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.919 it was utopian, which is a bunch of fricking wolves 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:42.240 cutting loose. That was cool. Half of Americans, not half, 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.560 a huge percentage of Americans would hear that and be like, 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.720 oh my god, it's also so awesome. Yeah, but there's 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:53.399 a little subset of Americans who would hear that and 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.840 be like, come on, dude, I don't want to share. 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:58.920 I don't want to share with those things. They're hunting 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.440 the same thing we were, and they're just basically saying like, 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.520 when hunting, you're trying to be all quiet, not let 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.320 anything know you're around. These wolves are out there, like 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:11.159 where could I kill you? I'm coming to cut you 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:15.919 to basis just howling away. And guys, what they were 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.359 saying that those wolves came into elks. Shut up. That 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:25.200 shuts the elk down. They stopped bugling, wouldn't you. Oh yeah, 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.000 I f had like a pack of wolves honing in 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.480 on my locale because I was making a bunch of racket. 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:36.040 I'd be like, easy, there's easy, let's do quiet. Let's 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.080 do this all quiet, like, which totally makes sense because 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.080 we saw that bull with the cows and he didn't 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.320 make a peep. Yeah, we dropped down into that, Um, 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.160 we dropped down into this this thing called the West 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:51.920 Fork West Fork Trail to spend the night down in there, 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.040 and all we're hearing about all these bulls screaming their 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.480 fool heads off and here's the bull and narrow some 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.159 cows and he never makes a peep. We watched them 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.320 in the evening, slept listen through the night in our 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.520 sleeping bags, woke up in the morning, never a peep, 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:08.639 and there's wolf tracks right down on the bottom of 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:14.560 that drainage. People get anxious about those wolves. Man, the wolves. 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:16.760 I wonder if that's why those talk are all living 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.440 on those steep hillsides, because of those wolves being around. 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.520 I wonder if that's advantageous to them, Like it's harder 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.520 for the wolves to get a killed. It's way harder 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.760 from the hunt. They don't like hunting on that stuff. 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.840 Lions like hunting steep stuff, but wolves don't like hunting 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:35.280 steep stuff because wolves hunt by like lions hunt by surprise, 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.680 very short jumps, and wolves hunt by just wearing you down, 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.520 and so they don't like being on that jump. But 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.320 the wolves have only been there for a couple of years, 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.080 so I think there's probably some of that stories unwritten. 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:50.959 But we get to the spot now it's like all 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.880 these people running around talking about all these bulls and everything, 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.080 and then um, yeah, it was like I did the 0:26:57.119 --> 0:27:02.119 classic like leave Elk to find Elk, right, But you 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.359 didn't like none, did you? Annie? At that point, I 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:07.440 didn't really care because I figured in that unit we 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.520 would just walk down any trail and it was going 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.040 to be the same thing. Yeah, because we were here 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.520 in bugling Bulls at the same time we heard the 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.800 wolves the first night, but then after the wolves had 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.399 been in there, they shut up. Would you mind to 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:26.199 introduce yourself? Uh, my name is Lauren Malton. I'm one 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.639 of the camera guys. The first time you've ever been 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:37.920 out with us, first meat eater hunt, which but you 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:44.399 filmed like boatloads of hunts. I've had a few years 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.480 behind the camera on different hunting shows like Randy Newburgh's 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:56.679 On Your Own Adventures, Huntley Ridder's Outlanders, done some random stuff, uh, 0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:02.680 other kinds of hunts, big network TV shows. Yeah, work 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.400 as a freelancer for a company out of Missoula, Montana. 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.640 Do Mountain Men on History Channel. Uh, and then over 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.320 the years have done a handful of other kinds of 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.600 shows like that. And what we're talking about before I 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.000 interrupted you, Oh, just the fact that we were here 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.760 in Bulls Bugle right there out of camp and you 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.440 guys were just mentioning that we left elk to find elk, 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:32.440 which you know, as always, you never know what to do, 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.639 right You think you just like Joanna said, you think 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.560 it's gonna be like that everywhere you go, and then 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.600 all of a sudden year hiking seven miles and not 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:46.160 hearing anything. We did tons of like phone scouting, because 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:47.920 if you go to a hunt a place you've never been, 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:49.720 you have to start calling anyone you can think of. 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.600 So in the months since we drew the permit, we 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:57.200 talked to the local biologists, talked to the local game warden, 0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.080 talked to it not quite local game warden, talk to 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:05.440 a not quite local biologists, talked to two guides, talked 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.440 to a former tag holder who talked to another formal 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.440 tag holder, talked to the pizza magnate Jimmy Doran, who 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.920 talked to another former tag holder. Well, I didn't know that, 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:22.880 and they all said the same thing, like unbelievably good 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:27.600 elk con which proved to be true. So I thought 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.120 you just would go and leave those elk and go 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.600 find a whole bunch of other ones. Down in his 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.800 bottom was canyons, and um, yeah, we just started wandering 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:39.719 around out there. There were elk down there. We had 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:41.800 to glass him up and then they you know, the 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.720 other thing I was thinking about earlier is there all 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.440 these campsites were full, but there were a lot of uh, 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.640 spike and cow tags given out in that unit as well. Right, 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.400 I think the just spike and I think it was 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.440 over the counter. Yeah, anybody. That's the crazy thing too 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.440 about Washington And I remember hearing this because my brother 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.320 lived at Walla Walla for a while. He's working on 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:04.280 a salmon project down there and live there, and you can, 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.320 like any time Dick or Harry can go into any 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.000 of these units with his bow and hunt spike elk 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:17.560 over the counter. So you get, you get everybody goes 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.800 like do you have a bull tag? That's everybody. That's 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.600 the first question out of everybody's mouth, because there's a 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.080 lot of dudes scrounging around and they're trying to scrounge 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.440 up a spike elk an adolescent male, a one and 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.680 a half year old male elk, which we maybe could 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.920 have had a poke at one. We saw two spikes 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.880 and one kind of hung out for a little bit, 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.440 saw a couple of spikes. Yeah, we got some good 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.000 chats that. Yeah, I had a spike stander. Yeah, he's 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.160 stood there at seventy yards for a long time. Go ahead, 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:53.480 I got a question, Kelsey Johnson says, girlfriend wildlife artists. Yes, 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.080 specializing in wildlife, and I actually do some gun dog 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:01.240 portraits as well. Kind of my little special yeah, specialized 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:05.360 gun dog portraits. Um, real quick. As someone wants to 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.200 get a picture of their dog drawn up, how should 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.080 they get a hold of you? Um? I show a 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.200 lot of my stuff on Instagram. I have my email 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.400 kind of on there for people that want to reach 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.400 out to me. Well, let's just go ahead and just 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:17.840 tell them where it is. Now, let's go my Instagram. 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:24.880 It's a k underscore r A E. John's j O 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.760 h n s. So that's kind of my little art. 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.160 That's your art a little YEA. Also work in the 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:36.400 egg industry yep, Midwestern agg sales big egg, big corn 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:39.080 and be big big egg and big art yep, big 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:43.040 bucks down there. So uh, real quick, just as long 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:44.960 as round the subject. How did you get in the 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.920 business of drawing people's dogs? Ah, that's a good story. Um, 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:52.640 well I have done a couple just for family members. 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.880 You know, people love their pets right, Yes, they do. They. 0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:59.040 I've done a couple for family friends and then UM 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.600 got connected with I actually saw a photo that Andy 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:09.600 Tramp from Muddy Shotter Media took of gun dog from 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.000 No Limits Kennels out of Heiser, Kansas. They just did 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:17.240 a little photography photography session. I was looking for a 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:21.960 challenging photograph to draw, asked set to get me access 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.280 to that photo and just starting it for fun. And 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:28.280 Andy's my good buddy from back, so he took the 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.080 kind of got I just was looking for a little challenge, 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:32.600 you know. It was. It was a good photo of 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.080 a German short hair with a bird in its mouth. 0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:39.920 And um, the owner of the kennel found out about 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.920 me drawing that while I was drawing it, and then 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.440 he he wanted to buy it. So once his client 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.920 base saw the drawing, they kind of I've got a 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.160 little niche down there in that area. The people that 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:53.440 have dogs from that kind of asked me to do 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.120 portraits of their dogs or drawing to their dogs. But 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.680 how is it different to draw a gun dog than 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.320 normal dog? Um, I guess it's really not. But like 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:07.920 there's you know, action shots or people have more photographs 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.640 taken of gun dogs. They'll have a toten a bird 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:14.200 to a dog or whatever. Yeah, better professional photos of 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.080 you know, people are more into that. I guess, like 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.280 more people take pride in their gun dogs. They're just 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:23.640 like I don't get any you know. And they tend 0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.000 to be a nostalgic lot. Oh yeah, bird dog hunters 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.479 are nostalgic, and they tend to be a steats. They 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.760 have like an aesthetic sensibility. They're passionate about their animals, 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:35.800 that's for sure. So it's it's fun to do, you know. 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.120 I've kind of let got feedback. It's kind of a 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.880 nice little keepsake for them forever. So I bet you 0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.800 there's a healthy portion of New Jersey cat ladies that 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:49.640 would like to have that market some money. She used 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:51.800 to paint dog porches for people, and they sure as 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:56.320 hell weren't um hunting dogs. But but yeah, you gotta specialize, man, 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.680 you gotta get no one within a certain circle this 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:01.920 I don't know who knows that could be the only 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.360 gun dog painter I know. And you put it all 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.400 up on Instagram. Yeah, and it's it's colored pencil, by 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:16.000 the way, what I keep saying, pain Yeah, Yeah, that's 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.360 showed us some of your work and it's amazing. It's awesome. 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.880 Go check it out on Instagram. Um, as long as 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:26.640 we got sidetracked by then we have Chris gil Ridge 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:30.279 Pounder here cameraman, and then in Seth Morris is with 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:34.359 us working for us also for his first time. Awesome trip. 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.520 You liked it. You can do bad jobs. All of 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.320 these guys crossed three. You bought three kinds of cookies 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.840 and they all missed the mark. I tried. I couldn't 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.400 make it. He couldn't make anybody happy, could you. He 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:51.080 almost won with the oreos, but double stuff. You always 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.440 think that would be impossible to go and buy three 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.880 types of cookies, bring him back to a group of 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.480 hungry guys and have them all turned their nose and up. 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.360 I took a bite and threw it out. I couldn't. 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:10.200 I could not stomach the one. The like white that 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.040 anyone that wants to do a grocery store, any American 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.680 goes into a grocery store and here's all the cookies 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.080 in the world laid out in front of him. Okay, 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:25.240 wholes in America, and he's like white chocolate in the world. 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:30.560 Does that man, it's one of my favorite cookies. Man, 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:35.279 I like them. Um, well, yeah, no, I want to 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.759 make and do may do they do? Well? Then you 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.840 you mentioned about how you would love a sleeve oreos. 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.239 You're like, I could pound a sleeveal oreos right now 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.520 that I'm joking because I like double stuffers. Okay, well 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.759 that's good double stuff. Honestly, it was the rest of 0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.680 us that they were scraping the filling, although I did 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.879 eat probably close to a whole row over the course 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:04.799 of like a day. Yeah, paro about sugar. Interesting about 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.120 the dull stuff is it's only one F on this stuff. 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:14.759 It's not it's not double stuff with one f. Yeah. Yeah. 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.040 The comedian Mitch Edburg you taught about how you had 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.279 a girlfriend Lynn, who spelled it with one end, and 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.479 then later he had another girlfriend named Lynn who spelled 0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:26.319 it with two ends. But she could always tell if 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.839 he said the wrong Lynn because he would go as 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:34.200 long as long and so he get trouble. You get 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:38.640 in trouble for it. Uh, what was it like? What 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:44.480 was the actual first moment when we um Let me 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:47.120 ask you this, so we go down and go This 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.120 is a question for Jannest because Jannest is actually the 0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:50.959 one I'm the one hunting about, not the one hunting. 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:55.160 I'm the trigger man because Johannest is the one who's calling, 0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:58.759 which is the hard part. Like any dipship can shoot something, 0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:04.400 but not anybody can call one in. Right, that's the 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:10.560 hard part, absolutely, absolutely. There are other hard parts for 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:15.319 this hunt. Yeah, the hiking rounds hard. Figuring out where 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.399 they are doesn't if you're calling it good at calling, 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:18.959 but you're not in his own with elk, that doesn't 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.560 even much good. Yeah, there's components to it, right, There's like, 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.640 there's a lot of components to it. There's there's being 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:29.040 like in this particular spot, they're sort of finding them, 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.680 which you can. Anybody with a set of ears and 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.200 a pair of binoculars is gonna like find within Yeah, 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.320 in two in forty eight hours of poking around, you 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.239 would know where somebody you will find elk, but you 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:44.040 will not be happy about where you found them because 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:48.279 in this unit everything is below you because the way 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:52.960 the land access works, it's like, imagine this, Basically you're 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.200 hunting the entirety of a drainage, right, so you have 0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.440 the unit is kind of drawn around a drainage where 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.560 you have the old ridgeline that forms the head of 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.120 all the tributaries, and you're the only access points are 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.799 up high. Even the lower access points aren't really lower 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:11.759 because you still have the canyon to drop down into. 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:17.239 So anytime you look at it elk from a from 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:20.680 a road, you're looking down to the point where I 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:24.680 think some people find that it's just is impractical that 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.959 you would pursue them. Yeah, one to two thousand feet 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:32.080 below an elevation game and drop because you have to 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.120 then move several hundred pounds of ship back up out 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.880 of you have to then pack several hundred pounds of 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.840 the stuff. But if you're successful, but even just dragging 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.440 your own butt up out of that hill after an 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:46.319 unsuccessful hunt, I think it's real old, but it's front 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.080 of mind. I think it should be front of mine. 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.839 Like one, just going down there and coming back out 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.279 is hard. It's very hard country to traveling. But I 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:57.759 think for everyone who's hunting elk, you also have this 0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:04.560 idea that you gotta carry this thing back up, and 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.400 so you're like, man, I'm already miserable. What would I 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.360 possibly do in a situation where you know, and It 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.400 might be that that you just can't hunt it, like 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:19.320 by yourself in that area. The MOS's elk are just 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.880 simply out of your reach. If you're hunting by yourself 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:24.879 some places and like, depending on where they're at, it's 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.920 almost irresponsible to try to take one by yourself. There 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.359 is a packer that works that unit. Meet a guy 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.680 with mules, you know that that said he can get 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.319 anywhere in that unit? But has that he said? Yeah, yeah, 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.759 I talked to him later. But even then when we 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.360 called him, he wouldn't have been able to help us 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:45.440 pack until the next day. He would have to hang 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.600 the meat in the shade, which may or may not 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:52.760 have kept it cool enough. And is that always his story? 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.920 Or sometimes can he if he's in the unit? I mean, 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.879 there's only fourteen people hunting, you know how many people 0:39:59.880 --> 0:40:02.080 are are actually gonna call him? So this is a 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.520 mule packer who runs like a little little side business 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.680 just packing. Yeah, I got and I got his name 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:13.480 through the outfitter that I chatted with. What's cool is 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.719 the outfitter too? We should talk about how we should 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:17.520 name the outfitter because he was cool enough to give 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.839 us a ton of intel man Yeah, it was bo 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:29.200 Olsen of Wilderness Adventures. He gave us very accurate Willerness expeditions. Sorry. Yeah, 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:31.160 he didn't have any clients who were hunting that unit 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.520 that year and gave us very accurate information about the 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.200 unit because he can do it because like he knows, 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:38.920 you're not gonna be back. It's too hard to draw 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.000 the tag. And he got sheep hunters in there too. Yeah, 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.319 we saw a nice ram. I was surprised we didn't 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:48.800 see more sheep. A lot of beds, a lot of droppings, 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:50.680 lot of beds, a lot of tracks, thinking we running 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.200 into more. We're really looking for him, that's true, but 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.560 we were looking a lot, yeah, but not looking looking. 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:59.560 We were looking looking for big tan sides. Yeah, when 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.399 you're looking for elk, it's like a low touch look. 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.959 It's not like looking for mule deer or CU's deer 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.200 like you know, glass and for big horns. You actually 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:11.719 gotta look look. It's kind of like you can just 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:13.640 kind of go like, oh, pretty much tight, it's not 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.239 an elk on that hillside in that there's not like 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.439 some six hundred pound buckskin colored things standing in there, 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:26.160 you know, going um, But yeah, I feel like, if 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.080 you had spent more time looking, you might have found more. 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:29.520 But then we had a lot of eyeballs out there 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:33.960 with a lot of binoculars. So one ram but a big, nice, 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:38.640 beautiful It was a beautiful him. Now you honest from 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:42.160 a caller's perspective, from an ELK callers perspective, why were 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.080 you not interested in? Why could I not excite you 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.120 in the idea of going and trying to work that 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:57.200 bull who wasn't bugling because you're in it for the bugle? Yeah? Um, well, 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:02.360 you have a Canadian shirt up. It's a stone Glacier 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.160 T shirt that has the didn't give you an American 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.600 Median maple leaf on it. You know, I meant to 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.239 ask him why they made it. Maybe you know the 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:15.120 story behind Canadian outfitters and cheat hunters at their packs. 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.480 The guy that wrote in about the full stadium Canadian. 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:23.040 So yeah, I don't know. I've got nothing wrong, nothing 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.799 against Canada. I don't have anything against those fellers either. 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:28.880 Got a lot of friends out there, and uh, I 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.560 just you know Bobby as being a little more American 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:33.040 than that. But that's cool. It's like a little bit 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.640 doing like diplomacy right now. So there's a bull you 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.759 don't want to and I can't get you interested in 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.000 looking trying to work them, trying to go around and 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.279 work him right. So a couple of things that I 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.400 didn't really like about it. There was a road like 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.719 tuner yards above him, which made it intriguing, yeah, because 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.920 you could easily get within tuner yards. About what made 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:55.320 it intriguing to me was that he was a hiding 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.920 in plain site. He was a bull who was hiding 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.040 plain site, which interested in him. Yeah, because if you 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.760 drove by on the road, it was so steep below 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.799 the road that you couldn't see him. But dude, all 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.719 day long, hunters passed within a hundred fifty yards. Because 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:12.400 I shot away point where I thought he was, and 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.600 then shot away point and then measured up to the road. 0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:19.239 He's one fifty yards and not forty five minutes would 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:25.480 go by when you know, just watching hunters go back 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.480 and forth, back and forth, and here's that bull is 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.440 living out his deal. And they could They could have 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:32.719 because it was so steep, you could have thrown a 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.880 rock off the road bed and hit that bull. But 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.239 you'd have to have one of the fourteen tags to 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.719 begin with. Just something about that bull I liked. I 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.279 liked everything about his little style. And he had to 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:48.239 hike down into that drainage and up the other side 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:52.239 to glass him up. Yeah, he just had well because 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.040 we glassed him up off the trail on the first 0:43:54.120 --> 0:44:01.200 day Lake Lake Ridge Trail. Anyways, the hillside he was 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:04.439 on was steep as could beat. Did you ever could 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.600 uh real quick? Did I ever send you that stuff 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.120 of that buck in Pennsylvania that was wearing a radio collar. 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.120 And what that buck would do when hunting season came, 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:17.120 Oh yeah, yah yah, hich No, he would hide on 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.640 the side of the highway. Yeah, ditch. This buck roamed 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:25.239 all over Hell all the time gun season would open. 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.920 And he goes set up shop about fifty yards off 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:34.600 a highway and right underneath the deer jumping sign, hiding 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:40.239 in plain sight. And then uh Rick French told us 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.680 about a place there's like a saddle, and he was 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:44.520 taught about his whole life. They've been shooting elk in 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:46.880 this area and there's a spot where they watch. He's 0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:48.800 out going bed and they watched and they go in 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.080 bed on a four wheeler trail and lay seventy five 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.120 yards from a quad Runner trail and just didn't watch 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:59.960 quads drive by hiding in plain site. But that happens 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:04.360 a lot. I was talking to my buddy Jimmy Miller 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.879 this morning, who's coming up to visit me next week, 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:08.839 and he was saying he's been out like the last 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.520 two or three week weekends hunt was bow in Colorado, 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.759 and every single animal he's seen, he's seemed like two 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:18.600 or three bull elk, half dozen cows, a couple of bears, 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:23.560 some moose. Everything's been off from near the road. As 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:25.640 soon as he goes into the woods, he seens zero. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.840 They're learning more and more dudes are like willing to 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.200 go farther to hunt. All the hardcore dudes that are 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.799 actually gonna kill something or in the woods, and then 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.640 the guys that are just driving buying four wheelers, you 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.640 ain't gotta worry about them. I guess yeah. They gotta 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:40.239 figured out like they're gonna if I go deep in 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:43.239 the woods, suns bitches is gonna kill me. I'd rather 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.600 be out here with these guys playing lightweight ball. But 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:47.880 you know what, the whole this whole idea of roads 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.320 and then being away from the road, being deep in 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.680 the woods that's only a thing that we've made up 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.560 in our own heads. The deer now might not look 0:45:55.600 --> 0:46:00.040 at it that way. Yes, I think they look that 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.160 there's different types of disturbance, And I think that the 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:11.359 sound of all day long going by they probably don't 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.960 even like, I'm sure it registers him. They don't associate 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.759 it with trouble. Oh I've seen him associate it. That 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:20.880 bull doesn't, So tell me why you didn't want to 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.680 work him. So he's on like a really steep hill side, 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:26.200 So I figured like getting into because it's not like 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:28.799 you're gonna stand on the road and start calling, right 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:30.960 because I doubt that bull is gonna be like, oh yeah, 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.239 that's probably a cow on the road. I go and 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.880 see what she's up to. You think the bull is 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:38.040 gonna be like no, no, no, and on that phone 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:42.080 for that super steep So just like being like trying 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.880 to do a setup setting up on a super steep hillside, 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:46.880 it's just like you don't even you can't find a 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:50.160 place to stand. You might start descending that hill and 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:54.839 slide down into him. It was that kind of hey 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:59.440 you watch out, um. Nothing was he had two cows 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:04.120 and calm bulls away from cows can be a tough deal, 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:07.720 and we knew that there weren't a lot of cows 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.879 in this unit. We talked to some hunters that thought 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:13.160 they had seen bulls, and it had seen half that 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.040 in cows. That was the weirdest thing I've ever seen, 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.319 is um, I've never seen it where you're where there's 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:25.680 bulls running like groups of bulls hanging out and there's 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:31.080 no cows. Mhm. That was a beautiful thing, just like 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:35.040 just every elk hunter's dream. Yeah, it's like you get 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:36.760 to where you see in elk. You just the assumption 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.600 was it was a bull. You're like, oh my god, 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.840 a cow if you saw one, I have a question. 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:46.560 So like for the new hunter's perspective, is this yeah 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:48.800 really yeah, not a lot of elk experience. Is this 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:53.440 like peak rut? Definitely in the thick of it, in 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:58.759 the thick of it. For the story, they are like 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:03.359 very eager about going towards the sound of cow elk. 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:09.359 Yeah too, Steep for you too, Steep, he's got a cow. 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.360 He's not bugling watching him. He was he just like 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.960 was sitting there feeding with his cow, with two cows. 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.080 And so you figar with the word milk toast. Yeah, 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:23.960 he was that. I don't know the definition people see. 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:27.920 Here's the deal man, It's like it's spelled different than 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:32.320 milk toast. Milk toast is is like a spelled like que. 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.440 I believe it's spelled like m I l q u 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:42.960 e means lame and different, timid or submissive. Yeah, it's 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.400 a very milk toast bowl. What's the spelling, Johnie, like 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.319 m I l q u e toast. But my whole 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.279 life I thought it was milk. Like if you guys 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:57.640 did a blandass meal and toast and soaking milk, R're like, dude, 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:01.319 I don't want that. Yeah. My father other his term 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:07.640 for milk toast was a term because he's from Italian ancestry, 0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:11.920 was raised by Sicilian immigrants. He's raised by his grandfather. Um, 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:15.879 my father had several things that he would use terms 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.080 he would use for people he didn't like, and they 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.520 were they described different types of people. One of them 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:26.239 was a horse's ass. Okay, that's like a very particular 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:27.840 type of person he didn't like. I though it was 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.080 a putts, which sounds Yiddish, and that was like another 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.200 type of person he didn't like. But definitely not a 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.840 horse's ask The guy's a putts. Another term for a 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:38.759 person he didn't like. It's being like a lacking a 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:44.080 little coordination. For Putts, that was like grumpy or old men. Yeah, 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:48.040 horse's ass would be like a blow hard, Okay, Putts 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.360 would be someone who messes everything up like a like 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:55.279 a person just can't incompetence. Then there was a term 0:49:55.360 --> 0:50:00.880 a mingulu morta, which I've talked to people speak Italian, 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:04.719 and basically he was saying a person who has non 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:10.759 functioning sexual organs dead more to being dead meanular being 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:14.239 a and I'm not saying the word right but me 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:18.400 you know, he's he's basically yeah, so the bull is 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.879 like a meingula more to bull. Well that or he's 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:27.520 just being super super slick, like he had his two cows, 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:31.640 he had his little hidy spot. He's pretty happy. He's 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:37.279 you know, he's got anything going for him. And he's saying, yeah, 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:39.920 do you ever find that there's a bull that uh, 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:45.680 that gets cows and shuts up? Oh? Yeah, because he's like, 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.040 why would I why in the world would I be 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:51.279 like advertising my situation? But you know he still has 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:56.040 to bugle right to the cow. Like there's the bugle 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.880 between the cow and and him that goes on, not 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.000 just between him and another bull. Right. I think I 0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:06.120 read once that when she says no, he has to 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.799 bugle as like a sign of like like some sort 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:13.360 of respect type deal will come come. That's in human terms, 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:19.719 but as in like when it's like he's say no problem, yeah, 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.359 like it's it's cool, I understand, we'll try again ten 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:31.000 minutes or tomorrow, maybe five. But I've seen I've seen 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:33.840 it happen a lot. There's like the the you know, 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:35.800 the hurting or whatever you want to call it that 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:39.759 he's doing, tending, tending, pushing him around, and then it's 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:43.320 sort of like it gets close, it doesn't happen, and 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:47.279 they sort of stopped. He always bugles, but I've seeing 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.440 him bugle so softly that I could see him bugling, 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:54.680 but I couldn't hear it. Two yards. I could see 0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.840 him go into the whole posture, stick his neck out, curls, 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.560 you know, put his head up, see the steam come 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:03.680 out of his mouth right after he chased the cow, 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.000 and I couldn't hear him. I think that was why 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:07.680 I think he was just like yeah, and he had 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:09.320 a bunch of cows. This one that I saw do this. 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:14.840 He's just staying chill about it. Yeah, so you so 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.960 you couldn't you couldn't work that bull. Maybe maybe now. 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:20.400 I just didn't feel like it was a high high odds, 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:22.520 you know, it wasn't worth it from what it was 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.879 gonna take us where we were and was gonna take 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.920 us to a bore out of this drainage that we 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.960 were in to go back up and out and put it, 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:31.640 you know, put a half day effort just in getting 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.680 into position. I just didn't feel like it was high 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.120 enough odds that warranted that effort that we should just 0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:38.920 keep hiking down the trail and go into some country 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:42.319 we hadn't been into and strike up another one. Yeah, 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:50.440 got you. Um, there's so much to explain down in 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:55.239 there around like how it like what our thought processes were, 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.920 because there's too many there's like two many options at 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:02.400 a point in time, you know, when you're down in 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:08.080 that area right at that point in time. Yeah, just yeah, 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.640 I just wander around like you get frustrated quick and 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:14.640 and um then you get like that wolf stuff stuck 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:17.919 in your head. M hm. No, because we were thinking 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:20.000 We're like, you know, one of the best units in 0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:22.239 the state, and all of a sudden it's been like 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:25.439 twelve hours, haven't heard a bugle, twenty four hours, haven't 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:27.640 heard of bugle. Well, when we were in that area, 0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:30.520 we didn't know about the wolf thing yet, right, No, Oh, 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.759 we'd heard him ripping though, Yeah, we had heard him ripping, 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.960 but we didn't know that they that. We didn't get 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:39.160 the report later that he had been in there, had 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:41.560 heard some elk and shut him down. Yeah, because another 0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:44.040 hunter later was saying that man, they were going they 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:45.760 were going good in there, and then when the wolves 0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:48.120 came through, they shut up. And the guide that Janice 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:52.400 talked to also said that the year before things were ripping, 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:58.400 meaning bowls are bugling, pack of wolves came through raising 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:01.759 hell and that it's shut down for three or four days. 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:09.480 Everybody just gets quiet. Seth. Saw a mountline I did, 0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:14.640 sitting sitting on its ass. Yeah, looking over the mule 0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:19.319 of your spot. That was cool. Yeah, they're cool to see. 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:22.160 You don't see that too often, No, And I don't 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:26.640 view them as competition as much. You really should, yeah, 0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:30.239 you really should. Oh, yeah, you think elkill shut up 0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:32.000 from them? I don't know, but they kill a lot 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:34.920 more elk the wolves do, not per one. But I 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.560 mean like there's just there's just so much more widely distributed. 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:40.360 I mean they're everywhere, right Like anywhere that has an 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:47.040 elk has a mountline. Well, it's not the Eastern States, 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.279 the Western States. Every elk is going to run into 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:56.360 a mountainline. You know. Um you when I was getting 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.640 frustrated by the lack of beagles and you, Janice felt that, um, 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:03.920 you felt that that it was just we weren't in 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:07.600 the rut zone. Yeah, we were just in the wrong spot. 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:11.120 It wasn't that they weren't doing It's just we weren't 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.920 in the place that they were doing it. Mhm. And 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:18.960 we slowly just made a big long loop and ended up, 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.160 you know, on the other side of the giant drainage 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.560 that you described earlier, where back to where Dave Tom 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:33.560 Bill will We're all working an infinite quantity of bulls 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:37.760 out of a bull in a place where the outfit 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:40.279 that we talked you said that you could just that 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:44.080 you'd find a bull in every canyon. Well he actually 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:48.120 recommended that we spend our whole week I was in 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:54.040 there and then almost kind of accidentally called in the bull. Yeah, 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.040 I was calling a little bit just to do some locating, 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:58.960 to kind of take a sense as of what was 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:03.239 out there. And uh, we had a bad win for 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:06.160 this scenario. It's the wind was dropping down the hill 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:08.719 from the morning thermals. The air was cool, it was 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:11.680 dropping down the hill and I looked down below me 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.960 in a couple hundred yards away, here comes a satellite 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:16.600 six point. And you always know you're in a good 0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.600 unit when like a like a nice six is a 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:22.439 satellite and he's coming in silent, and the satellite bull 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.560 being a bull, it's like not a dominant figure in 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:30.680 the herd. He's just not big enough the man because 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:34.759 later there was a bull just crank him in that 0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:37.759 same zone. I don't know, I just I just I 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.800 just feel like because he was coming in, coming in quiet, 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:48.640 coming in, Yeah, he was a sneaky peat. He's like 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:51.400 a you know, a nice six point bull that you 0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:54.640 know I shoot any day. Um. That's thing. This unit 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:56.800 has a lot. This unit is kind of we now know, 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:59.880 is known for bulls that are like seven by seven 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:04.680 and seven by eight, some crazy bulls. Yeah, I bet 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:08.360 you we saw them three or five seven by seven. 0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:11.880 So this bull comes just creeping in and then crept 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:17.880 out seth some creep away wind. Yeah, definitely caught wind. 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:23.760 So they come in to investigate, and then they quietly 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:32.880 without announcing their presence, saying themselves, there's five dudes there. 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:39.520 I'm leaving three smells like five we're doing We're doing 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:44.000 zero cent control, We're just doing wind. Yeah, there's no 0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:48.760 point at that. What would like what would you even do? 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:54.800 A wide variety of things. There's masking sense, okay, there's 0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:58.600 like odors that you could put on yourself too. I'm 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:03.320 not saying these things work. These things that exist there 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:07.720 are there's a line of clothing. Yeah, it's been kind 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:12.480 of scientifically discredited, but some people remain firm believers in 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:18.360 a line of clothing that has a filtration carbon filtration 0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:23.840 system built into it that sort of scrubs your odor 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:26.840 emanating from your body. I think the problem with that 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:29.120 is most of the older emanating from your body is 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:33.880 being exhaled mm hmm, So they make a face mask 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:40.000 to help filter your exhale. Has that really been proven 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:42.200 that most of the others actually just coming from your breath? 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.920 I should say most, but just but but but you 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.120 can wear clothes, but you're still breathing out. Yeah. I 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:50.800 shouldn't say most, but a lot of older you're exhaling 0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:52.760 a lot of I remember like there was like a 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:58.520 hunters sent concealment gum came around. My dad used the 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.480 hunt with the guy that would during honey season eat 0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:04.800 a lot of carrots. He tried to be food. I 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.480 remember hearing the old nuts one time say that all 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.240 he drank was apple juice, so that way when he 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:14.200 would pee during hunting season, just smell like apples um. Yeah, 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:21.000 but then you got like Doug buck Man during yeah, big. Yeah. 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:25.120 There's also I think that Cabella's made for Bill Winky, 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:30.640 a full gortex suit that had rubber gaskets ankles, wrists 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:34.720 and neck and then maybe even a hood. That sounds 0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:37.400 like a good thing to hike up down just wear 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:40.880 pretty much. Yeah, So it wouldn't work for what we 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:44.640 did for hunting. You just have it like just the 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:47.280 pants on top hanging down. You hike into your stands, 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:50.040 slowly set up, get in there and put the top on, 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.880 seal it all off. Some people out West that I 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:56.200 know do this and they don't think that it completely 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.640 breaks down, you know, keep you sent free. But they 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:03.680 look at it as in buying you time before an 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:06.880 animal might spook from scent and buying you distance that 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.360 you can be from an animal before they sent you. 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:15.280 But they will have a um plastic toe that has 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:18.320 completely that has closed, and they probably did some special 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:21.160 sort of washing too to eliminate all possible set no 1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:25.080 perfumes and dies and whatnot in there. Probably has pine 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:27.560 boughs in there and some dirt and leaves and whatnot. 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:30.280 But they have a separate tupperwear for every day of 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:34.080 the hunt, and it includes everything from underwear, shoes, socks, 1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:41.600 top bottoms, bass layers, everything. Yeah, every day you swap 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:43.920 out every day. Every day you just yeah, and you 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:46.240 do the best you can by taking some sort of 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:49.520 some version of a shower and then you put on 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.600 those fresh clothes so you're not walking around and clothes 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:53.919 like because this it was a hot hunt this week 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:55.720 and we were we were going through I felt like 1:00:55.800 --> 1:01:01.120 a sweat cycle twice a day. Uh okay, archery hunting 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:04.280 white tails, like what my dad did, what we did 1:01:04.360 --> 1:01:07.880 growing up is you kept your hunting clothes outside hanging 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:11.440 up in the breeze. Before you went out hunting, you 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:15.080 would shower. We wouldn't use special soap. They make a 1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.919 lot of soaps and no deal with no perfumes. There's 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:22.840 nothing I get more nostalgic about. Sorry to interrupt, but 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:27.240 is that green? Is it sent away soapy? Like the 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:31.000 lines all surfaces and Dug Durn's bathroom. But I feel 1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:36.240 like of the white tail woods like hunting camps. It's 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:39.320 like there's like ten of those bottles in various levels 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:43.120 of fullness in the shower, right, it's like that green liquid. 1:01:43.240 --> 1:01:45.920 It's meant for your hair for everything. Steve Kendra shower, 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:50.160 Yeah stuff and when yeah, when I like get in 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:51.800 a shower and see that stuff, like, it's just a 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:54.360 flood of memories of like yeah, because that's what we did. 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:59.960 Exact products. Yeah, green gels soap, so you would keep 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:02.600 your clothes hanging up in the breeze, take a shower 1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:09.000 with preferably with non perfumed soap. Put where rubber boots 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:13.080 that you clean. You don't go and buy gas with 1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:15.600 these boots on, right, You put them on when you're 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:17.080 ready to walk to your stand. You don't go to 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:18.920 the gas station and get on nasturals. You don't wear 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.720 them in your car. You don't even drive to your 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.080 hunting spot in these clothes. You get to your hunting spot, 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:28.640 you stripped down, You put your clothes on you've been 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:32.560 storing in a separate container, and you walk a very 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:37.600 slowly so as to not break a sweat, getting your 1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:41.680 tree stand, put on your outer layers, and the whole being. 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:43.720 Of course, you're not gonna like eliminate your scent, but 1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:46.120 like to buy you a few minutes. When I used 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:51.400 to trap fox um, which are difficult to catch, I 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:54.000 would do I would have a I would have totes 1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:58.120 that would fill with straw, and I would keep my 1:02:58.320 --> 1:03:01.560 clothes and boot and all my other equipment in totals 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:07.320 filled with straw, and then would use rubber gloves that 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:11.040 you would wash fastidiously all the time, and then keep 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:14.400 your and then only wear those boots on natural ground 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:17.440 in order to try to eliminate some of the scent 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:19.840 you were leaving behind when you're trying to catch fox. 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:23.680 It's a lot of work. But here, like a basic 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:25.520 here's what we could have done. Like, here's the basic 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:28.320 thing you do. You least bring some soap and some 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:31.320 body powder, and every time you hit a creek, you 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:33.600 try to scrub up a little bit, and a lot 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:36.040 of guys it's not too much either. And we weren't 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:37.760 doing this because we're just working the wind. And we 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.040 were to a place that had like steep slopes and 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:42.960 a lot of thermals. So it's like, if you're willing 1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:47.360 to work thermals, then we did work them very successfully. Um, 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:50.480 if you're willing to like do that, you can get 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:51.920 away with this. But if you're in an area that's 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:54.680 like just famously for swirled winds and stuff, and I 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:56.400 think you had to do it, and you were really 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:59.520 just gonna make the sacrifice, at least have your sort 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:03.720 of like daytime hill climb and close and you might 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:07.400 keep in your backpack in a bag in your backpack 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:11.400 your actual stock and clothes. And as part of your deal, 1:04:12.080 --> 1:04:13.959 when you're getting ready for the evening hunt or getting 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:17.040 ready for the morning hunt, you wash up, put some 1:04:17.280 --> 1:04:24.360 body powder on. Um, people just take a baking bacon soda, 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:29.160 put in a spray bottle, put some water and bacon soda, 1:04:29.320 --> 1:04:32.800 scrub up, put your clean version of clothes on, and 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:37.479 try to go about your business. But we just played wind. 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:40.400 The question came up while we were there if the 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:44.560 smoke was gonna have any effect on scent too, because 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:47.840 we were in a smoky area. It was smoking enough 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:51.040 for reals annoying and you got black, black gunk coming 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:54.520 out of your nose. I wonder if it affects the elks. 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:57.600 Has to help. It cannot hurt. There's no way it hurts. 1:04:57.840 --> 1:05:01.680 Does it cover your scent? Has to There's no way 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:05.040 that they're gonna smell you better amid all the confusion 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:07.160 of a bunch of smoke in the air. It's not 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:11.120 gonna like enhance their ability to to detect smell. And 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.480 then the other question was was that activity in that 1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:19.080 area moving the elk out of wherever the controlled burns 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:22.800 were in closer to where we were. I don't know 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:25.400 about closer, but I would say that it displaced and 1:05:25.520 --> 1:05:29.920 probably concentrated elk into areas of low activity. And I 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:31.760 think the fact that all those bugles are coming from 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:33.600 the bot tend to be coming from the bottoms of 1:05:33.640 --> 1:05:38.160 those canyons is not accidental. I think that the gradual 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:43.920 activity of humans being around, pressuring and pressuring them is 1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:47.720 has to have the effect of pushing them into places 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:50.640 where they're just not getting messed with as much. If 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:52.640 you left with their own devices, they'd probably higher up 1:05:52.680 --> 1:05:57.840 on the slopes. I think about that hard to say 1:05:58.000 --> 1:06:06.680 more water in the bottom, that's true. Um, So we 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:09.480 keep on hunting. We eventually and this is kind of 1:06:09.520 --> 1:06:14.800 how stuff goes. Have all kinds of adventures. See a 1:06:14.880 --> 1:06:17.720 black bear, see a big horn, see some mule deer, 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:23.520 have a bunch of adventures. And there's a there's a spot, 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:25.439 there's a there's a place we want to go hike. 1:06:27.000 --> 1:06:31.520 We want to like access area of our unit where 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:34.320 the only access point is sort of blocked by a big, 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:37.800 very elaborate wall tent set up. Like these guys are 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:41.160 practicing like siege warfare man. They got like a camp. 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:44.600 I mean, these guys like got splitting malls and stuff. 1:06:44.600 --> 1:06:52.560 They're splitting firewood. I mean they're camped out archery target, backstop, trailers, generators, 1:06:53.360 --> 1:06:57.640 pots and pants hanging everywhere. They did two gallon drums. 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:00.200 I don't know what was in them for drinking water. 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:05.680 I have no clue. Barrels of presumably water and maybe 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:12.160 fuel or maybe just food storage for bears. Could be camping. 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:17.320 And I want to say, is an extraordinary card on 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:21.360 a one to ten. On a one to ten, that's 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:24.880 nine or ten. Yeah, they were dialed. They had the 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:27.040 wall ten and then like one of those like easy 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:32.160 up canopies as like a porch. Yeah, you start running 1:07:32.200 --> 1:07:36.960 a tarp over the whole thing, big setup. They've been 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:45.960 there sixteen days, seventeen seventeen days, um, And I'm uncomfortable 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:50.640 with uh going and parking right next to their camp 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:53.960 to hike in because because this comes from being that 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:58.400 we're filming, I'm really I try to be sensitive of 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:00.600 like people go into the wood. They're going to the 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:05.040 mountains to have peace and quiet and and and enjoy 1:08:05.160 --> 1:08:09.440 a level of anonymity presumably, And so I'm always a 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.800 little bit leery about like rolling up on people with 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:16.920 five guys carrying cameras and just you know, I'll try 1:08:16.920 --> 1:08:19.960 to be sensitive to that because I wouldn't really love 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.840 that a whole bunch if that happened to me. So 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:25.960 I want to park elsewhere and then kind of like 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:31.880 slip through their camp. Um park elsewhere and slipped through 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:34.040 their camp real quiet, and go down below and start 1:08:34.120 --> 1:08:36.720 hunting right below their camp. But we have the show, 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:38.760 but just a minute, they're rolling in with a bull 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:42.479 like they're just like we like arrived the camp with 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:45.000 the like Honestly these second that the truck pulls in 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:49.760 with the dead bulls, school and meat in the back 1:08:49.840 --> 1:08:52.920 of the truck. And this is the funny thing about 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:55.280 especialty unit like this too, like a hard to draw 1:08:55.479 --> 1:09:00.559 unit because no one has any ownership. No one has 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:04.280 any sense of ownership over like their spot. You're not 1:09:04.479 --> 1:09:07.559 coming back or like they said, it will be six 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:09.600 years and you have a whole new crop about that 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:12.160 will be working. So he so it's not like a 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:14.320 most place where no one's gonna tell you anything, you know, 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:16.640 like hey, where'd you get that limited mallards right there? 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:19.320 Does just say anything to you about it? Like I 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:21.599 know now, not even to ask obviously, I'll be like, hey, 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:23.840 what mountain range were you in or what like river 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:28.680 were you hunting? But but this guy, he had it 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:32.360 took him six points, so he had six unsuccessful application 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:37.559 years drew the unit and he just spills the beans 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:45.000 because who cares. Someone told him about it. And it's 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:49.840 this little corner of the unit where um, this little 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:55.599 corner of the unit where you're kind of on National 1:09:55.680 --> 1:09:59.439 forest land, but boxed up against some private stuff. And 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.240 he just ribes an area where there's seven or eight bulls, 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:10.560 um that they were like butcher and a bowl and 1:10:10.600 --> 1:10:15.400 there's more bulls bugle in a hundred yards away. Mayhem 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:19.760 and craziness. Yeah, it sounded good. And we go down 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:24.679 into this area and it was like it was sort 1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:29.960 of the elk hunting. It was the elk hunting that 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:33.360 you always dreamed that you would experience but somehow never 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:37.280 get to experience. But there it was. We're gonna skip 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:40.240 forward to there. We've been on a long time and 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:44.360 I want to spend time on on No, I understand, 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:47.320 I want to make surely you're already jumping ahead of that, Yeah, 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:51.160 because I want to spend particularly time on the when 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:56.439 we'll talk about the one we got, but the setup 1:10:56.479 --> 1:11:00.960 where you called in a a scar attering of bulls 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:08.920 into a location. Right, We go down in this area 1:11:09.000 --> 1:11:10.760 and there's some not a lot going on with some 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:15.040 bulls ripping vegle in here and there. It's like started 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:19.240 in a slow morning, almost nothing. We heard a couple 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:21.680 of descent vehicles. We kind of get to the edge 1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:24.160 of the private property. It sounds like there's one on 1:11:24.320 --> 1:11:27.679 the private then maybe a different bulls, you know, vehicles, 1:11:27.720 --> 1:11:30.240 but it's not like it's not a big rough ball 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:34.920 like we were expecting, like we've been told about. But 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:36.960 eventually we get where like, oh, there's a few bulls 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.360 going like later in the morning, and it's mixed. It's 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:44.160 like half open grassland and half dense timber. Very they're 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:49.719 pretty steep area and we're kind of like halfway between 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:52.760 the top land, like halfway between the ridge tops and 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:57.439 half between the bottoms. And you can hear bulls enough 1:11:57.439 --> 1:11:59.400 for you couldn't even really tell who was what right, 1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:02.840 just as like a bunch of bulls going off and 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:08.160 you start calling, walk through how that went, what you 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:12.880 were doing? Well. First we got to a spot that 1:12:12.960 --> 1:12:14.960 seemed like a good spot for a setup. And I 1:12:15.040 --> 1:12:17.120 usually look for most importantly is I like to have 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:21.000 a break in the terrain that I can hide behind. 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:23.680 That was gonna if the bull wants to come and 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:26.439 see what's making the noise, he's gonna have to come 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:30.040 and look over that breaking the train, whether that's like 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:33.160 a thick strip of vegetation, he's gonna come look through, 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:36.360 or most often times in the mountains, it's going to 1:12:36.439 --> 1:12:39.880 be some sort of a ridge or like a horizon 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:42.439 that you could be two hundred yards away from it, 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:44.240 you could be twenty yards away from it. But if 1:12:44.280 --> 1:12:46.120 you want to see over it, you're gonna have to 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:48.880 come right to the edge. Yeah. Picture of the worst 1:12:48.920 --> 1:12:55.720 case scenario would be that you're in a room and 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.320 there's a loud noise of a cow and a bull 1:12:58.400 --> 1:13:00.880 comes into the room and he's like very quickly able 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:02.880 to say that there is definitely not a cow in 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:07.720 this room. That would be a bad situation. The best 1:13:07.760 --> 1:13:10.280 situation is he'd be like, where's she hiding? There's so 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:14.559 many places she could be, yeah, or yeah, you're forced 1:13:14.640 --> 1:13:17.479 him to come to the doorway, yeah, to be able 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:19.799 to look into that room he's coming and walk around 1:13:19.840 --> 1:13:22.840 the room. Yeah, no, just stick his head through the 1:13:22.920 --> 1:13:26.120 door at that point. At that point, if we've done 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:28.479 everything right, you ought to be able to get a 1:13:28.520 --> 1:13:30.840 shot as long as he's not you know, facing some 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:34.800 wonky direction, you know. But if he comes in there 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:37.600 to look inside the room and go what's going on 1:13:37.720 --> 1:13:40.160 in here? Then that should be like the point of 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:42.840 the shop. Yeah, And this was a knife edge was 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:44.760 like he's in the hallway. He's not gonna come to 1:13:44.800 --> 1:13:47.560 the doorway. You're probably not getting a shot. And this 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:50.280 is a this is a knife edge ridge. Yeah, it's 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:52.680 like we're going we're walking down the ridge. It's kind 1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:55.080 of steep, but it drops off steeper to the left 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:58.080 and to the right hill just sort of wraps around 1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:00.800 and he's bugling in this timber to our right that's 1:14:01.200 --> 1:14:04.560 wrapping around. And yeah, so you pick a tree to 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:08.800 set up in front of with Chris. I just I 1:14:08.840 --> 1:14:12.120 don't know, western hemlock or a dug fur maybe probably 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:17.439 want Yeah, good spot for me, man, I got all 1:14:17.479 --> 1:14:22.479 the footage. Yeah, bad spot in two ways, but I 1:14:22.600 --> 1:14:24.640 won't explain why it's a bad spot until we get 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:27.360 to the part where the bulls started coming. Okay, so 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:31.599 uh yeah, I just, um, I'm trying to think when 1:14:31.680 --> 1:14:35.840 I actually started out on the ridge, because like, until 1:14:35.880 --> 1:14:37.840 I feel like there's no reason for me to actually 1:14:37.840 --> 1:14:41.760 start hiding in that bedroom in air quotes until I 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:45.400 know he's coming. Until then, I might as well stay 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:47.120 kind of where I can see a lot and sort 1:14:47.160 --> 1:14:50.800 of be digesting the situation. And um, because I might 1:14:50.840 --> 1:14:52.840 see him a hundred yards away, I might see his 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:54.880 antlers moving through the timber, and then I can adjust 1:14:54.960 --> 1:14:57.000 if I don't hear him down there or something. So 1:14:57.080 --> 1:14:59.320 I just kind of hide in plain sight, just kind 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:01.720 of sitting around on calling and just seeing if we 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:04.200 can get him worked up enough ntil he's moving our direction. 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:06.080 The antlers on the elk, that's the point I want 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:08.000 to bring up real quick. The antlers on the elk 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:15.240 are extremely useful for hunting calling elk because you're always 1:15:15.280 --> 1:15:17.840 gonna see that bulb. Not always, there's a good chance 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:20.760 you're gonna see that bull before he sees you by 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:24.400 seeing his antlers, yeah, because he's got these things sticking 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:28.640 two three ft right, So when he's like rolling up 1:15:28.680 --> 1:15:31.439 over a hill, he can't see what's up ahead. But 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:36.240 you're like, oh, it happens time and again where you 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:38.800 get to glimpse him before he has a chance to 1:15:38.840 --> 1:15:43.519 glimpse you, and then take it, take the necessary action. Yeah. Yeah. 1:15:43.560 --> 1:15:46.800 So I just started with some light cow calling, which 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:48.920 should be just a couple of mus here and there, 1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:52.920 and uh, he seemed pretty responsive, you know, being pretty 1:15:52.920 --> 1:15:55.880 good bugling right on top of it. Yeah, And then 1:15:56.200 --> 1:15:58.479 it doesn't really mean that much, like you're not getting 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:01.880 all excited at that point, Well, I'm not. I'll tell you. 1:16:01.880 --> 1:16:04.040 What makes me excited is what happens next. It's better 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:07.400 better than not you no, no, no, no, you're right. 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:11.080 But as we saw a night or two before this, 1:16:13.080 --> 1:16:15.280 you can make beaut you can make You can sit 1:16:15.320 --> 1:16:19.439 there and make bulls beugle for two hours, right, yeah, 1:16:20.479 --> 1:16:22.519 and you can be trying to read into what they're doing. 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:25.120 But after a time you'd be like, that thing will 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:30.160 not budge. So just getting them, just getting them the 1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:34.000 bugle doesn't mean much. What means something is all of 1:16:34.000 --> 1:16:37.080 a sudden it's quiet, and he rips again, and he 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:41.240 is very definitely moved way in your direction. Then your 1:16:41.320 --> 1:16:44.400 heart rate goes, then your heart's in the back of 1:16:44.479 --> 1:16:47.200 your throat. So at that point i'll sort of I've 1:16:47.439 --> 1:16:52.360 fell off that ridge to the left metaphorically and got 1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:54.800 down there where I was in the bedroom. He was 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:56.479 gonna have to come and he was gonna come out 1:16:56.520 --> 1:16:59.599 onto that spine and look down that hill to see, 1:17:00.280 --> 1:17:02.559 you know, the cow that he thought was down there. 1:17:03.280 --> 1:17:07.000 And so yeah, I continue to call and us usually 1:17:07.000 --> 1:17:08.360 at some point, like if I don't feel like the 1:17:08.400 --> 1:17:11.960 cow calls are doing enough, I'll start to add in like, oh, 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:16.080 another bull is showing up to be like, hey, dude, 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:17.640 if you want to you know, if you want in 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:20.000 on this party, you better get over here, because someone 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:22.479 else just showed up. And so I'll do a couple 1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:25.360 of things to imitate that. One you can bugle, sound 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:28.120 like a bull bugle and and sort of challenge the 1:17:28.160 --> 1:17:30.320 other bull. And then you can make a lot of 1:17:30.360 --> 1:17:33.760 loud noises like a bull is tending a cow, which 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:37.240 if you've ever seen in the wild, there they they 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:40.920 chase them, and so they get run through bushes and 1:17:41.439 --> 1:17:45.759 they're cracking sticks, they're rolling rocks, especially on yeah, especially 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:48.120 on steep hill sides. And so I'll start doing that 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:51.760 to the point of working up a sweat. Yanni puts 1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:55.759 on put takes off his jacket, puts on gloves, grabs 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:58.360 a big old log, and starts beating the snot out 1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:04.719 of the woods, hurdling rocks, kicking, jumping, banging. The beating 1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:06.960 the snot out of the woods is more like you're 1:18:07.040 --> 1:18:09.160 raking a tree. That's kind of what you're going after. 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:12.960 When you start stomping and running and jumping through stuff, 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:16.320 you're sort of like acting like to elk, which is 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:18.800 you know, you're talking about now over a half a 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:22.320 ton worth of animal probably running through the woods. I'm 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:25.519 only two pounds. It's hard to replicate that, right. You 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:26.840 have to do a lot more so. A lot of 1:18:26.880 --> 1:18:28.800 times I'll pick up like a ten or twenty foot 1:18:28.920 --> 1:18:32.439 log that then touches more bush as I'm moving through 1:18:32.520 --> 1:18:35.680 the woods, and I definitely get hurt doing it. But 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:42.240 I think most people here, some of the people here 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:44.200 where I think we're so blown away is by the situation. 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:46.760 It's probably hard to even like grasp what all is 1:18:46.760 --> 1:18:49.720 going on. It's like seth and you can attest to that, 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:52.880 and probably Lauren to that. When I would do that 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:54.960 the very first time, the bull would go from like 1:18:55.000 --> 1:19:00.519 a pretty excited bugle to like his insides turning inside 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:02.519 out or however you want to put that, like just 1:19:02.800 --> 1:19:05.840 like almost going from like a bugle whistle into more 1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:15.240 of like a blood curling Just I can't take that. Uh, 1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:20.040 talk about your epiphany, you're elk calling epiphany when people 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:21.680 tell you to go in the woods and call three 1:19:21.800 --> 1:19:26.360 times for the whole day. Yeah. When I learned or 1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:30.479 was taught about calling out, it was all diaphragms. There 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:32.479 was a couple of biting bowls probably on the market 1:19:32.560 --> 1:19:34.439 back then, and probably some external reads too. I just 1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:36.920 hadn't really gotten into it yet, but it was diaphragms, 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:43.280 and everybody taught us like very soft, simple cow what 1:19:43.360 --> 1:19:48.639 I would call cow chirps. Just that, and go into 1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:51.200 a meadow in an hour before dark with the wind right, 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:53.760 wait for the thermals, and make two or three of 1:19:53.840 --> 1:19:57.240 those chirps between the time you get there until you're 1:19:57.240 --> 1:20:00.840 about to leave. And that was it, because that's just 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:04.680 how you called elk. Anything else was too much, too much, 1:20:04.720 --> 1:20:06.600 You're just gonna run him out of the woods and so. 1:20:06.800 --> 1:20:10.200 And it took me years, and you know, and of 1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:14.679 course reading books and watching primost the Truth about Bulls 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:17.439 videos and stuff and being like, you know what, I'm 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:20.639 gonna try some other stuff. And then I got good 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:23.360 enough with the diret frame where I could go yeah, 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:26.680 and then also a five point comes trotting over the 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:30.800 hill and you go, well that kind of worked, you know. So, 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:35.120 but it took three or four years too talk myself 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:38.880 into trying to to have the boldness. It makes me uncomfortable, 1:20:41.160 --> 1:20:45.320 super fun to watch and film your honest going off 1:20:45.680 --> 1:20:49.599 like he's an elkin was. He had such enthusiasm throwing 1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:52.920 logs over rolling rocks down the hills that I wanted 1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:55.160 to join. And I'm holding the camera trying to keep 1:20:55.240 --> 1:20:58.280 the camera steady, but I'm like, I can probably help 1:20:58.360 --> 1:21:01.679 him out here. I want to kick a rock, actually 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:04.360 got to throw rocks. Okay, Yanni. Here here's the way 1:21:04.400 --> 1:21:09.040 of expressing this. Yanni makes so much noise that at 1:21:09.120 --> 1:21:12.639 one point, jumping ahead, at one point a bull comes 1:21:12.720 --> 1:21:18.960 in between us and spooks and runs off down the hill. 1:21:19.840 --> 1:21:23.439 And it caught my attention, like, whoa, Oh that must 1:21:23.479 --> 1:21:28.040 be y Honest, I thought the same thing. I'm not happening. 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:30.599 I heard that, and I was like, oh, back, and hey, 1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:32.680 what about the bull that was standing between us? That 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:35.000 didn't even because you're so fixated on what was going 1:21:35.080 --> 1:21:37.439 down below us. I was like, wow, that really sounds 1:21:37.479 --> 1:21:44.960 like a damn elk running off right there. Yeah. So eventually, 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:48.040 you know, so there was he there was a six 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:51.559 point bull. Yeah yeah. Eventually the idea that there's multiple 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:56.800 bulls and two are getting closer. Yeah, but I think 1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:59.320 that the young five point is what broke. The six 1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:02.960 point satellite bull came in quiet. He didn't come in quiet. 1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:08.280 I watched him multiple times. There you go, But I 1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:11.639 want to talk about where I messed up. Okay, round 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:13.519 this ridge I'm calling a knife edge ridge, but it's 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:17.400 like a half bevel it's one sided bevel knife where 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:22.240 it breaks away very steep and rocky to the from 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:25.640 from if you're looking downhill, lookers left breaks away very 1:22:25.680 --> 1:22:29.320 steep and rocky into the rights as a gradual timbered roll. 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:34.640 And the bulls are the main bull we're calling to, 1:22:34.760 --> 1:22:38.040 whose bugle in the most is off to the right. 1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:43.040 I set up from basically out in front of a tree, 1:22:44.000 --> 1:22:47.639 right on the knife edge ridge, thinking that he's gonna 1:22:47.720 --> 1:22:49.800 stick to his course and come up and I might 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:56.320 get a broadside around him. I should have anticipated I 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.840 should have not been on that knife edge ridge, because 1:22:58.960 --> 1:23:02.639 what when I'm happening to white is bulls came up 1:23:02.760 --> 1:23:05.200 and hit that and it's the perfect place to travel. 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:10.679 It's just this nice clear They came up the ridge, 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:14.799 beautiful clear descending ridge. Even later, damn bull cow bull 1:23:14.920 --> 1:23:18.880 cattle came up the same ridge. It's just like a 1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:25.600 natural travel corridor. And I didn't anticipate that. Stupidly, I 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:27.479 didn't anticipate that, you know what, I bet this thing 1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:29.920 is gonna hit this ridge and take this ridge up, 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:32.400 So that I'm sitting on the ridge looking down, expecting 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:34.320 to get a shot off my right, and all of 1:23:34.360 --> 1:23:38.799 a sudden, like without any announcement besides of some early bugling, 1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:45.000 here he comes like dead, like he's not stopping face 1:23:45.080 --> 1:23:48.760 to face. And there's one dead tree in front of 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:55.640 me that was six seven yards close, very close. And 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:58.760 the second his head gets behind that dead tree, I 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:00.639 draw my bow and I like, what am I even 1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:05.240 gonna do? Unless he comes out broadside. He of course 1:24:05.280 --> 1:24:07.120 sees me drawing my bowl through the trees, and we 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:10.680 just have a stare down through a tree that was intense, man, 1:24:11.280 --> 1:24:13.640 until I couldn't hold my bow back anymore. But a 1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:15.600 lot of times in that situation, man, it could have 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:19.200 so easily gone the other way where he sees you up. 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:21.320 But he still takes two or three steps it comes 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:23.599 out from the tree, and instead of turning his whole body, 1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:25.200 he only turns his head and looks at you, and 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:26.439 he goes, oh, what was that? And all of a 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:29.800 sudden he's just presenting you with like a perfect listen, 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:32.160 this is all hindsight, because even when I had my 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:35.360 bow back, I was I was expecting that he'll step 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:38.400 out from behind the tree and he'll be turned broadside, 1:24:38.520 --> 1:24:42.120 thinking I might be leaving but looking at me. But 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:45.160 he was so close that wouldn't have mattered. Mh. But 1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:50.680 that's now. He did. He spun, but he spins, and 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:54.120 often here's another bowl coming up the same exact trail. 1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:56.639 So that was the five point. He did that first, 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:58.400 and then the six point came in behind. And then 1:24:58.439 --> 1:25:00.400 there's a six point standard, and it's six point was 1:25:00.560 --> 1:25:05.960 much warier, never came into never came into range. The 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:12.160 five point. It's so convinced that there's a cow. He's like, yes, 1:25:12.240 --> 1:25:15.560 there's a man with a bow here too. Let me 1:25:16.400 --> 1:25:20.160 try a couple of different angles of approach, and he 1:25:20.280 --> 1:25:23.400 kept getting lucky and lucky. At one point, him and 1:25:23.479 --> 1:25:28.120 the six are both standing perfect wide open broadside at 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:30.519 sixty seven yards, which I'm not gonna which is not 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:34.920 a poke. I'm gonna attempt my bow um on a living, 1:25:35.000 --> 1:25:39.840 breathing creature. And then they're both staying there, staring the 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:42.000 six leaves, and he's just gone. He goes off and 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:44.120 starts biggling a hundred yards way again when he's done 1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:46.320 coming in. And meanwhile, this five point is just like 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:52.200 probing trying to find a path in, and an unbellant 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:54.439 to me eventually finds a path in and comes in 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:58.280 between me and the honese. Yeah, I mean he's basically 1:25:58.320 --> 1:25:59.880 just on that knife. For it is just like I 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:02.920 don't know, ten or fifteen yards behind you, ten yards 1:26:03.000 --> 1:26:06.519 from me, fifteen or twenty yards from Lauren, and he 1:26:06.600 --> 1:26:11.040 sits there and half acidly feeds and just look lifts 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:13.400 up his head, looks, looks, looks, feeds a little bit, 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:16.360 listen his head up, looks, looks, looks, looks. I had 1:26:16.439 --> 1:26:18.680 no ideal standing there, and the wind must have been 1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:21.639 blown to him. And that's what's crazy, is that even 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:25.200 though like he's getting whiffs of man guarantee at this point, 1:26:25.880 --> 1:26:30.479 and he still stood there. For yeah, it seemed like 1:26:30.560 --> 1:26:34.799 a man. I mean footage is full frame bowl standing 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:39.600 there kind of wondering what's going on, And we're so 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:41.880 focused on what's going on below us, because there's still 1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:44.640 bulls ripping and wandering around below us, that I had 1:26:44.680 --> 1:26:47.680 no idea that you just standing there. Even when he 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:49.320 ran off, I was like oh yeah, this is making 1:26:49.320 --> 1:26:52.439 an elk running noise. I think one of you guys 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:56.320 that figured it out and spin spun around that he 1:26:56.439 --> 1:26:58.759 was standing there. I don't know there was some movement 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:04.760 down below ever knewuntill I was told we have a 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:10.840 little pow wow and talk about what all is going on? Um, Like, 1:27:10.960 --> 1:27:14.240 holy cow, I can't believe that happen so close and 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:19.000 Allso there's another bull coming and one or a new 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:23.799 bull comes in, gets wind takes off the same bulls 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:28.280 messing around. Meanwhile down below us there's all these other 1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:32.800 bulls still going off, and then it starts getting hot, 1:27:32.880 --> 1:27:36.120 and they settle into like a dark north face and slope, 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:41.080 and it winds up that just for an hour plus 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:46.720 probably you just hear two bowls calling. We're watching other 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:49.600 damn bowls winding around, but two bulls just calling and 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:53.040 calling and calling from his north face and slope. And 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:56.160 north face is significant because it's not a sunny and 1:27:56.240 --> 1:27:59.120 so you have a lot of timber and thick understory, 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:01.160 and they can in there and getting the shade and 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:02.960 hang out for the day. But they're just calling and 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:06.080 calling and calling and calling, and by now the days 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:09.120 heated up, so now you have the uphill thermals, and 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:12.680 we make a pretty roundabout plan to go on a 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:17.639 round about fashion and circle around and get up wind 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:22.240 of this bowl, this little timbered bowl where he's elk 1:28:22.240 --> 1:28:27.519 are hanging out and get in close enough to shake 1:28:27.640 --> 1:28:32.600 hands almost. I thought we'd be within three hundred, but 1:28:32.720 --> 1:28:34.840 I think we ended up being within a hundred when 1:28:34.880 --> 1:28:39.400 we set up. Yeah, he was close. No, I think 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:45.800 we were about a hundred seventy yards seventy Where does 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:48.760 that number come from? My GPS unit? When we trailed him, 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:53.599 I think he came off that. I think he came 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:57.160 off that same my feeling who was up in that 1:28:57.280 --> 1:29:02.040 same betting area because when because when you first cow called, 1:29:02.920 --> 1:29:06.759 what did I say to you, Pounder? I don't remember. 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:08.599 I said he's up on that ridge top up there, 1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:10.880 and I said you come forward. Oh that's right, and 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:14.200 we had to bump. Yeah. Well, I said it's safer 1:29:14.280 --> 1:29:17.080 now he's up high. And then he quickly like it, 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:20.120 very quickly, not up high, but I think he rolls 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:23.280 up out of those beds that we later found. It's 1:29:23.320 --> 1:29:27.080 interesting from our perspective, it sounded like he was below you. Yeah, no, no, no, no, 1:29:27.320 --> 1:29:29.559 not that first he was higher than eye level at first, 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:33.840 for for for seconds he was It didn't take long 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:35.200 at all, and he was on the moon. There was 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:41.439 two balls that were in there. One was bowls everywhere. Yeah, 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:45.320 it's like if I put my how do you explain this? 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:49.000 If I put my two hands together. The bull we 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:54.200 killed was in my right hand, that that bowl, and 1:29:54.600 --> 1:29:58.160 the bull we didn't was like in my left hand 1:30:00.439 --> 1:30:03.960 up higher because that that thing kind of like from 1:30:04.040 --> 1:30:06.439 our perspective, had like this two bulls, like it seemed 1:30:06.479 --> 1:30:10.080 like two separate timber bowls that actually weren't that way 1:30:10.160 --> 1:30:12.240 once we got in there, you know what I'm saying. 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:17.639 But the bull that we were mainly after when we first, 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:20.479 when you first called, he was higher than the eye 1:30:20.560 --> 1:30:25.960 level and there's all those beds up there. That was 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:28.040 not good. I was trying to prevent that when we 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:29.800 went in there to set up, but did not want 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:33.720 to be blowing. I thought he was blow us just 1:30:34.000 --> 1:30:36.439 from where yeah, from where we from where we were 1:30:36.680 --> 1:30:39.640 just I thought it sounded like he was blow us. 1:30:39.720 --> 1:30:41.760 But when we set up a little bit higher than 1:30:41.840 --> 1:30:44.920 you guys, you know, when we started calling, so I felt, well, 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:50.000 I mean it doesn't matter especially either way. Either way 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:51.720 he ends up below it, which is where we wanted 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:54.120 him because we had and we had and we had 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:56.120 a set up where we had a really probably the 1:30:56.200 --> 1:31:01.000 best wind we'd had the whole trip, and you had 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:03.640 that that same thing, a different kind of barrier, but 1:31:03.800 --> 1:31:07.559 like a barrier basically like a little rock a rocky 1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:13.160 ridge spine, the same exact thing. Yeah, And we get 1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:15.400 set up like we don't know, really know before he 1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:17.200 starts calling, we don't know where the bull is gonna 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:19.160 come from. We don't know where he is, and we 1:31:19.240 --> 1:31:22.040 don't know what his avenue of approaches. So you have 1:31:22.160 --> 1:31:23.479 to kind of get in the spot where you got 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:25.559 a little bit of a game plan about, well, if 1:31:25.600 --> 1:31:27.160 he seems to me this way, it will go there. 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:29.320 Do I have a shooting lane? If he seems to 1:31:29.360 --> 1:31:31.120 go that way, I'm gonna duck over there. Do we 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:33.080 have a shooting lane? And we kind of had a 1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:36.120 number of scenarios. I had three setups in my head 1:31:36.760 --> 1:31:38.720 where I could stay at one spot and know that 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:45.479 I could duckt to my right and have shooting lanes 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:48.599 going for one approach. I could bounce out and get 1:31:48.640 --> 1:31:52.920 out in front of her behind a ponderosa and cover 1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:55.400 a bunch more and in the off chance that he's 1:31:55.439 --> 1:31:59.519 somehow circled way up higher than us, I knew that 1:31:59.560 --> 1:32:01.800 I could go out around this rock outcrop and see 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:05.360 up that direction, and you had in your head places 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:07.679 where you could go to keep it where he couldn't 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:11.040 see the source of the noise. It was very like 1:32:12.320 --> 1:32:15.760 pretty perfect situation. There wasn't one of those like make 1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:20.160 do things. Yeah, we knew it there. It was only 1:32:20.280 --> 1:32:23.280 so much timber that he could be in, and uh, 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:27.040 it's he's not going anywhere. It's a hot day. It's 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:29.439 a hot sunny day at eleven thirty in the morning, 1:32:30.000 --> 1:32:32.200 and he's in his bed and location and he's not 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:37.960 going anywhere. And we were we were within fifty yards 1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:40.880 of the edge of the timber, So it wasn't like 1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:44.960 we were trying to call him a mile away, which 1:32:45.000 --> 1:32:46.720 can be a big time hindrance, which I think is 1:32:46.760 --> 1:32:48.360 what you were talking about when we worked those three 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:50.519 other bulls. They're not in your strut zone, yeah, like 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:52.400 you were, just we were just not close enough to 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:55.160 pressure him. Yeah, we worked some other bulls where we 1:32:55.280 --> 1:32:58.519 had watched one of these bulls and he kind of 1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:01.599 had like his place where his little area where he'd 1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:04.720 wander back and forth raising hell. And we're trying to 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:07.799 like invite him into some other part of the mountain, 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:12.400 which calling turkeys, I think is the same thing. It's 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:15.000 hard to like, it's harder to call a turkey into 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:18.120 someplace he's not hanging out as it is to call 1:33:18.240 --> 1:33:20.400 him over to a different part of his hangout zone. 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:24.519 And the biggest reason we did that is because the 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:29.320 the opportunity to get closer really wasn't there. It was burned, 1:33:29.479 --> 1:33:32.320 it was open, wasn't live. Timber just wasn't a lot 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:36.559 of space places where we can circum prevent his position, 1:33:36.800 --> 1:33:40.240 you know, without making like a four hour tour. And 1:33:40.280 --> 1:33:42.439 as soon as you started going on this bowl, he 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:44.680 got out of his bed and he was pissed, but 1:33:44.720 --> 1:33:47.560 he did not want to leave his timber patch, so 1:33:47.720 --> 1:33:52.559 he trapped. It's a pissy sound sounding sound, but he's 1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:55.040 actually not pissed, no I know, but it's just an expression. 1:33:55.439 --> 1:34:00.439 He's definitely not pissed. He's excited. I guess say he's 1:34:00.479 --> 1:34:05.240 pissed because um, because the sound that he makes sounds 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:07.920 like sounds like if you were projecting that sound, you'd 1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:09.960 be like, I'm gonna punch a hole in the wall, 1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:11.640 you know, or you think of a bull that not 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:14.720 a bull but a cattle bull bull cow. They get 1:34:14.800 --> 1:34:18.519 mad when he grunts the snorts when he's pissed. But 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:23.640 he's pissed. I'm not as familiar with the vocalizations of 1:34:23.840 --> 1:34:27.080 mook cows. You've never been like snorted at by cows 1:34:27.120 --> 1:34:29.240 that are mad at you. They don't want to make love, 1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:34.040 do you? They might get out of it. So you 1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:36.920 say like pissed, But he's definitely not pissed. He's in 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:39.640 he's he's uh, this isn't a word I like to 1:34:39.680 --> 1:34:45.479 throw around lightly. He's titilated. He's titilated by the sounds, 1:34:45.600 --> 1:34:51.200 and it's very excited. But he's also not wanting to 1:34:51.800 --> 1:34:54.400 He's also been around the block long enough. He's old, 1:34:55.840 --> 1:34:58.600 and he knows that there's At the time, no, no, 1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:01.960 I knew because the sound owns he was making the 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:07.320 sounds he was making. He reached down ridge Pounder's throat 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:11.920 and grabbed dude. Ridge Pounders ridge powder couldn't handle it anymore. 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:15.280 Thank god, there's stabilization on that lens. Dude, because I 1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:18.840 was like when he finally came up into view, I 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:21.519 could see him like kind of pacing below through the trees, 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:24.120 and I would like seeing that. I was already like, 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:26.160 oh my god, I shouldn't be seeing this. And then 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:28.160 when he came up the hill and was like looking 1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:30.880 at us, I was like looking at me as I'm 1:35:30.920 --> 1:35:35.600 filming him. Yeah, I was just rattling, like if you 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:39.479 had had enough, you had said you'd had enough. Oh 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:42.439 my god. Emotionally hand, I can't take another one. I 1:35:42.680 --> 1:35:46.640 have a heart attack. It's so intense. And he's just 1:35:46.880 --> 1:35:48.920 right there. And then he just like turns and faces 1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:50.720 us and just lets one rip, and I'm just like 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:52.559 trying to make sure that I like the whole time, 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:54.280 I never looked at him in person. I don't think 1:35:54.320 --> 1:35:57.599 that you found it emotionally taxing. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, 1:35:57.840 --> 1:36:00.920 it's hard, man. I just kept looking through the camera 1:36:00.960 --> 1:36:02.519 and that was the only thing that kind of like, 1:36:04.240 --> 1:36:07.840 they're so big, especially this one, and they want it 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:14.559 so bad, my goodness. Yeah, it was intense. A slave 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:21.240 to one's passions, slave to one's passions, to his detriment. 1:36:21.320 --> 1:36:25.680 It would be like if you we're single and you 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:28.120 gotta and you get a booty call from someone in 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:29.960 the middle that late at night if the bars closed, 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:34.360 and you're like, man, it's probably a thirty chance that 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:38.320 someone's gonna shoot me when I go over there. But 1:36:39.479 --> 1:36:45.600 now I'm gonna risk there. But this dude, and I 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:47.880 knew he was big because everything about the sounds he 1:36:47.960 --> 1:36:51.759 was making, because at that point we'd watched a number 1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:54.880 of like big bulls bugle in and you get there's 1:36:54.920 --> 1:36:57.840 like it's sort of get tuned into like we like 1:36:58.439 --> 1:37:01.680 and there's a there's like a thing at the end 1:37:01.720 --> 1:37:04.719 of their bugle that just is you could like feel 1:37:04.760 --> 1:37:06.640 the weight at the end of the bugle and you 1:37:06.640 --> 1:37:08.600 could be like, oh fun, like you want to go 1:37:08.720 --> 1:37:13.320 down and offer him up. The halls met elliptics between 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:16.320 where I was seth Lauren on one side of the ridge, 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:18.560 and you got to be like you were in the 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:21.519 bowl with him, and like, yeah, there's a whole different 1:37:22.080 --> 1:37:25.400 sort of like the acoustics are different. The acoustics just 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:28.880 the space that the sound takes up. It's pretty wild 1:37:28.960 --> 1:37:31.680 and on their same hillside and they're doing and you 1:37:31.720 --> 1:37:35.360 can just you can pinpoint them, so you're seeing his movements. 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:37.200 You know, you're you're you're not. It's almost like it's 1:37:37.280 --> 1:37:40.160 so he's so close and you can pinpoint the noise 1:37:40.280 --> 1:37:43.200 so exactly that it's like you're not actually watching something 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:45.960 because you're looking into a timbered bowl with a lot 1:37:46.000 --> 1:37:49.200 of brush. You're not actually watching it, but you like 1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:52.000 it kind of occurs to you that you're not watching 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:53.920 it because you feel as though you're watching it because 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:57.960 the sounds are so constant and and and allow you 1:37:58.040 --> 1:38:00.880 to pinpoint just looking right down where thing. You feel 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:03.280 like you're like observing him wandering around. And then he 1:38:03.360 --> 1:38:05.200 realized I'm not even seeing him, but it's just like 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:12.000 the audio is so spectacular, but I'm paints is very 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:15.280 vivid picture and he's doing a number of vocalizations. He's 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:19.560 making a cow call, but not yeah, you know, I 1:38:19.640 --> 1:38:21.320 think that was the first time I've ever heard of that. 1:38:23.479 --> 1:38:28.280 He would kind of go and then bugle and he's 1:38:28.320 --> 1:38:33.120 just going boom mm hmm boom. He must have done 1:38:33.160 --> 1:38:37.640 that a lot room He's seem to do it when 1:38:37.680 --> 1:38:44.280 he's walking pacing. I got a question for you guys. So, like, 1:38:44.360 --> 1:38:47.000 you know, when your turkey hunting, you gotta bring him 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:48.920 in close. And if your white tail hunting with a 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:51.559 rifle out East because this is the first archery hunt 1:38:51.560 --> 1:38:54.080 I've ever done. But the other two hunts that I've 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:56.439 been a part of where you get close to the animal, 1:38:56.640 --> 1:39:00.000 are like out East white tail, like Midwest white tail 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:03.720 where like you're generally pretty close, and Turkey, where you 1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:06.040 get pretty close but like you don't. Like when I 1:39:06.120 --> 1:39:08.400 saw those animals come in, I wasn't like, oh my god, 1:39:08.479 --> 1:39:10.800 this is crazy, but like when that elk came in, 1:39:10.960 --> 1:39:14.360 it was like an experience because there's so much bigger 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:16.680 than you are. Yeah, in the in the in the 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:23.320 there's so much more that can go wrong. Yeah, maybe 1:39:23.400 --> 1:39:27.200 that was there's like a you're like, because I get excited, 1:39:27.280 --> 1:39:31.479 but it's not dread. Yeah, when the bulls coming, it's 1:39:32.120 --> 1:39:34.960 it's like that's what you're there for. But for me, 1:39:35.200 --> 1:39:41.439 it's sixty dread. Yeah, dread that I'm gonna spook it, 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:46.599 Dread that I'm gonna wound it, dread that whatever. It's 1:39:46.640 --> 1:39:49.760 just not I'm not in a happy spot. When a 1:39:49.840 --> 1:39:54.320 turkey's coming, I gotta smile. It's ear to ear man, 1:39:55.400 --> 1:40:00.439 it's all up. Yeah, turkey time. I'm like, yeah, it's coming, 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:03.000 this is great. When the bulls coming. I'm like, oh 1:40:04.320 --> 1:40:10.680 oh man, go back, Oh my god, no, but yes 1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:16.599 he's coming. There's no getting out of this. Now you've 1:40:16.680 --> 1:40:21.040 done it to yourself. Now you just gotta like take it. Yeah, 1:40:21.280 --> 1:40:26.679 you just gotta take it. Something is really gonna happen. Yeah, 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:33.200 like this is really going on. Man. The pressure is high, 1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:35.960 you know, not only for the hunter but the camera guy. Like, 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:40.000 so that adds to your intensity beyond because you don't 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:42.400 want to mess it up, just like your bowshot, you know, 1:40:42.640 --> 1:40:45.960 it's that important, don't mess the shot up. Well, here 1:40:46.040 --> 1:40:49.160 comes this bull and you're looking at the screen. You're 1:40:49.200 --> 1:40:52.679 not looking at reality, You're looking through this camera lens. 1:40:52.760 --> 1:40:58.439 And it becomes you know, in my focused am I am? 1:40:58.439 --> 1:41:00.759 I doing this right? Is everything? I'm going together because 1:41:00.800 --> 1:41:03.760 this is the five seconds I have to nail in. 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:06.400 And we've got five people in there. Yeah, a lot 1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:10.000 of a lot of people. We got a caller, a hunter, 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:16.200 three camera people. Yeah, it's a lot of stink. It's 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:21.840 a lot of yeah, a lot of variables. So this bowl, well, 1:41:21.840 --> 1:41:24.120 I'm Sorryry about like three percent chance you can walk in. 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:27.160 You're gonna get shot. This bull knows enough, he's been 1:41:27.160 --> 1:41:31.280 around the block enough to know that he does not 1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:35.360 want to leave that timber line. It was very reluctant 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:38.599 to leave that timber line and just paced up and down, 1:41:38.880 --> 1:41:42.760 not wanting to go out into the open, out into 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:46.680 the grass and come up the hill. Just walk in 1:41:46.760 --> 1:41:55.519 the timber line, screaming in agony. Yeah, but not. He's 1:41:55.560 --> 1:41:58.800 just really happy and excited. J honest, is making him 1:41:58.840 --> 1:42:02.120 feel like there's an another bull right over that ridge line. 1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:05.200 You never gave another bugle. You gave him the sound 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:07.920 and that set up. We never went to the other bull. 1:42:08.439 --> 1:42:11.519 Didn't need it, just but you busted ground, didn't You know. 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:15.640 You're rustling, rustling around a little bit, but more just 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:19.200 like just general elk if an elk's on the steep hillside, 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:23.439 just feeding. They're making more noise than than just a 1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:25.680 couple of cow calls here and there. You know, it's 1:42:25.720 --> 1:42:29.080 just adding some just some death to the picture I'm 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:30.800 trying to paint. You know, you didn't go a full 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:33.720 Yanny on him, No, but you were making some You 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:36.519 were making the ground noises to you, you were pulling 1:42:36.600 --> 1:42:39.280 grass out of the ground, making it sound like they're feeding. 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:44.640 That That was pretty Yeah, he gets detail oriented. I 1:42:44.680 --> 1:42:45.920 don't know what the hell he's doing. When he started 1:42:45.960 --> 1:42:53.000 ripping up grass, it's working, and he, like Yanni, wore 1:42:53.120 --> 1:42:55.360 that bull down. Yeah, he finally had to come and 1:42:55.400 --> 1:42:59.880 stay in the bedroom. Man, I'm gonna have to walk 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:01.680 up out of here now because the wind was just 1:43:02.040 --> 1:43:05.680 He had not a prayer because what he wants to 1:43:05.680 --> 1:43:07.719 do more than anything is he wants to go around 1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:11.320 and get a whiff. Yeah, and he's like, I'll tell 1:43:11.400 --> 1:43:13.280 you when it's a cow. You don't tell me when 1:43:13.320 --> 1:43:14.960 it's a cow. I'll go up and have a smell. 1:43:16.240 --> 1:43:20.040 But there's no way for him to do that without 1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:23.040 really doing some kind of roundabout trip out in the 1:43:23.160 --> 1:43:28.599 open at noon on a hot sunny day. There's no where, 1:43:28.600 --> 1:43:31.479 there was no way for him to do it, and 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:34.320 I think he was aware of that in his own 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:40.320 elky way and eventually just was like okay, and a 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:43.840 smart elk hunter typically, a smart bow hunter typically and 1:43:43.920 --> 1:43:46.960 this is a lot of experts will say this, including 1:43:46.960 --> 1:43:49.920 our good friend Jason Phelps, the game call maker. Um, 1:43:51.840 --> 1:43:53.720 he's like, sure, there's a risk of you being out 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:56.960 in the open when someone's calling for you and you're 1:43:57.040 --> 1:43:58.960 and you got the bow there's a risk of being 1:43:59.000 --> 1:44:01.679 out in the open, but because you're gonna get spotted 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:04.000 more easily. But the risk of you being out in 1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:07.000 the open isn't as great as the risk that comes 1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:11.600 from you being not having good shooting lanes and having obstructions. 1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:14.880 So he's like, sure, when there's a tree and you're 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:17.759 in front of the tree, you're more exposed to the bull, 1:44:18.560 --> 1:44:22.000 but that's not as bad as being behind the tree 1:44:22.680 --> 1:44:27.880 and having so many places you can't shoot. Very common mistake, 1:44:27.960 --> 1:44:31.600 I think. But our first setup, when you called in 1:44:31.640 --> 1:44:33.680 the multiple bulls, I was out in front of the 1:44:33.760 --> 1:44:39.360 tree and that was good. In this setup, it was 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:43.800 blazing sun. To be out in front of the tree, 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:49.240 you were illuminated like something on display. And he had 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:51.200 a lot of ground. He had a lot of open 1:44:51.280 --> 1:44:57.320 ground across and it wasn't like a confusion of trees. 1:44:57.439 --> 1:45:00.439 It was like a tree in a ton. The open 1:45:00.479 --> 1:45:04.840 space he had to cross. And I felt that I 1:45:05.000 --> 1:45:07.600 was just asking a little bit too much, So I 1:45:07.680 --> 1:45:11.240 got up where a small ponder roast that was between 1:45:11.320 --> 1:45:14.000 me and the bull's line of approach, and I snapped 1:45:14.080 --> 1:45:16.280 some limbs which fit in. Because there was a lot 1:45:16.320 --> 1:45:18.720 of Joanni was making some noise. Anyways, I just like 1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:20.640 busted off limbs, not even trying to be quiet, just 1:45:20.720 --> 1:45:23.120 grab him and snapped the limbs off and had a 1:45:23.160 --> 1:45:26.120 couple of pockets. And I was trying to will that 1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:28.880 bull up the left side because I had a good 1:45:29.040 --> 1:45:33.200 cover and a great shooting hole through the tree if 1:45:33.240 --> 1:45:36.600 he broke to my left. But he starts coming and 1:45:36.640 --> 1:45:38.599 he breaks to my right. And now in the psychele 1:45:38.720 --> 1:45:43.759 like in the for me man like I get rattled. 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:46.639 I've I've done enough Like rifle hunting, I'm like almost 1:45:46.680 --> 1:45:51.240 clinical about it. Um, I've got to like an almost 1:45:51.280 --> 1:45:55.320 clinical space about shooting my rifle in real world hunting situations. 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:57.439 But with a bow, it's just things are so close, 1:45:58.400 --> 1:46:02.280 and you're so aware of the mistakes you can make, 1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:04.479 and there's so many more mistakes you can make, and 1:46:04.560 --> 1:46:07.880 it's so much less forgiving that all that stuff enters 1:46:07.920 --> 1:46:10.600 your head and and I've got it distilled down, Like 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:12.640 I've mentioned this the hunter times before. When I was 1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:14.679 a kid, my dad would put a sticker on our bow. 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:21.400 He had these stickers and said, stay calm, pick a spot, um, now, 1:46:21.560 --> 1:46:23.439 my little manstra that I try to put my head 1:46:23.760 --> 1:46:27.519 is like elbow up, pick your spot, elbow up, pick 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:29.080 your spot, elbow up. Because I'm like, if I can 1:46:29.120 --> 1:46:33.320 remember to do those two things, I feel that everything 1:46:33.360 --> 1:46:35.080 else falls into place. Like if I can just like 1:46:35.160 --> 1:46:37.080 get in my head like and do that, that's like 1:46:37.640 --> 1:46:40.920 the baseline of my that that's the of my like 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:44.160 personal checklist. Like everything else falls into place if I'm 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:47.720 doing that. And this bowl mingled so long, and when 1:46:47.760 --> 1:46:50.120 he first showed up, I was so rattled, but I 1:46:50.200 --> 1:46:53.840 got he lingered so long that I that I got unrattled, 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:59.040 and I got my mantra in my head and I 1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:02.519 was ready, you know. I felt like I was ready, 1:47:02.560 --> 1:47:04.280 and I felt like I was ready to place an arrow. 1:47:05.280 --> 1:47:08.479 And he starts coming and I was like feeling very 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:12.320 confident and very confident. And he comes up, and sure 1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:16.120 enough he comes up with the in line with the 1:47:16.280 --> 1:47:19.360 center of my tree, where there he is in range, 1:47:19.600 --> 1:47:21.559 and I'm like, why did I not get in front 1:47:21.720 --> 1:47:23.360 of the tree? Why did I get in front the tree? 1:47:23.360 --> 1:47:25.799 And then it puts you in this like negativity spiral 1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:30.960 that starts to happen. He breaks out and then he's 1:47:31.000 --> 1:47:33.240 like looking at me like not knowing what he's seeing 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:38.040 but looking at me. Um turns away. I get a 1:47:38.200 --> 1:47:42.720 range on him. He's thirty two yards but obscured by 1:47:42.760 --> 1:47:46.640 the tree. He moves and so his left his right 1:47:46.760 --> 1:47:48.559 side is facing me, and then he kind of turns 1:47:48.720 --> 1:47:52.200 so his left sides facing me. And at this point 1:47:52.240 --> 1:47:54.759 he's very interested in what I am because I'm trying 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.000 to like get and I have to get down on 1:47:57.080 --> 1:47:59.920 my knees. But he doesn't budge. And I got down 1:48:00.000 --> 1:48:02.680 on my knees and I get my bow back and 1:48:02.760 --> 1:48:05.760 he doesn't budge. And I got where I felt like 1:48:06.560 --> 1:48:10.400 things were exactly right, and I had my spot picked, 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:14.479 I had the right pin in the right place, I 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:18.080 had my elbow up, I had I thought everything was perfect. 1:48:18.520 --> 1:48:21.400 I touched that release and hit him back behind the ribs, 1:48:22.680 --> 1:48:26.200 and my god, the feeling of of failure and self 1:48:26.360 --> 1:48:29.800 loathing that like overcame me in that moment of being 1:48:29.960 --> 1:48:32.439 that Um, like my brother put it best, man like 1:48:32.720 --> 1:48:35.680 for me, like my perspective put it best. Where when 1:48:35.720 --> 1:48:37.840 he messes up a shot, he's like, why am I 1:48:38.080 --> 1:48:43.200 so greedy and want this so bad that it actually 1:48:43.600 --> 1:48:46.960 in that it actually impairs my ability to do it? 1:48:48.200 --> 1:48:51.400 Like i'mself I wanted so bad that it become self defeating. 1:48:53.479 --> 1:48:55.240 So I can punch paper all day along with my 1:48:55.320 --> 1:48:57.800 bow and call my shots all ranges, all day long, 1:48:58.479 --> 1:49:00.640 punch and punch and punching. But the into something I 1:49:00.800 --> 1:49:05.599 really want bad, I can't do it. Like when it matters, 1:49:05.720 --> 1:49:11.040 it all falls apart. Rogan says, it's consequences. He says, 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:14.960 we're like, we become intimidated by consequences. Isn't that how 1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:21.040 he put it? I freaking up. It's interesting. So you 1:49:21.240 --> 1:49:24.280 enter an arena. I was talking about this with raising kids. 1:49:24.520 --> 1:49:27.400 I don't mind putting them into an arena of consequence, 1:49:27.479 --> 1:49:29.439 meaning I don't mind letting them play with a hatchet 1:49:31.520 --> 1:49:34.639 um And I think a lot of parents are afraid 1:49:34.680 --> 1:49:37.040 of letting their kids in the habit an arena of consequence. 1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:39.840 But they're like, when you're pulling the bow back and 1:49:39.880 --> 1:49:41.960 trying to kill something in weighs six hundred pounds with 1:49:42.000 --> 1:49:46.720 an arrow, it's like the consequences get so high, and 1:49:46.800 --> 1:49:49.040 all of a sudden, there it is like the easiest ship. 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:52.000 Like in all the target shooting, I could never shoot 1:49:52.000 --> 1:49:56.960 an arrow that far off at that distance, but there 1:49:57.000 --> 1:49:59.559 it was, and my God was that like the one 1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:04.280 of the worst moments for me. I've been through it before. 1:50:04.800 --> 1:50:07.599 Doesn't get at you better. I didn't get to see 1:50:07.640 --> 1:50:11.640 it well. In your defense too, we did review the 1:50:11.680 --> 1:50:15.920 footage and he clearly jumped the string. He was gone 1:50:15.920 --> 1:50:18.639 before the arrow left. The bow man clearly dumped the string. 1:50:19.880 --> 1:50:21.800 It seems like it's hard, It's like it's so hard 1:50:21.840 --> 1:50:25.240 to piece together, but it seems like he was sprung. Yeah, 1:50:26.439 --> 1:50:28.880 but do you hear much about up There's some animals 1:50:28.920 --> 1:50:32.640 that are famous for jumping the string. Oh sure, but 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:34.680 no elk do it when they're tuned up like that. 1:50:34.880 --> 1:50:37.400 I mean I saw him do it over the years 1:50:37.439 --> 1:50:39.320 of guiding. Not a lot, but they do it. People 1:50:39.360 --> 1:50:41.800 talk about access. You're being literally gone by the time 1:50:41.880 --> 1:50:45.800 the arrow gets there. Now, there was a frame where 1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.000 you could see your arrow in like a dark patch 1:50:48.040 --> 1:50:51.320 of timber moving through, and then you could see the bowl. 1:50:53.000 --> 1:50:55.360 Like when you pause footage every and if nothing's moving, 1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:57.679 everything's like clear, it looks like I'm just a regular photograph. 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:00.240 But as soon as something moves, you get a little 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:02.640 bit of motion blur. And there's a shot where that 1:51:02.800 --> 1:51:05.679 arrow was going through and that bowl is like starting 1:51:05.720 --> 1:51:08.240 to get blurry. He's already on the move. Yeah, so 1:51:08.280 --> 1:51:10.320 you can see that he's already like whoa, And then 1:51:11.720 --> 1:51:15.280 he just pushed forward just enough, probably just to kick 1:51:15.320 --> 1:51:18.560 it back. In my collection of interesting ship I have 1:51:18.640 --> 1:51:25.000 a deer skull that has a three bladed a steel 1:51:25.200 --> 1:51:31.360 feral type three bladed broadhead from the fifties that's embedded 1:51:31.439 --> 1:51:36.439 perfectly into dear's brain pan and the entrance hole is 1:51:36.560 --> 1:51:41.040 right dead center in its forehead. And it was from 1:51:41.080 --> 1:51:44.000 my father, and he there was a deer feeding in 1:51:44.160 --> 1:51:48.360 a field and vehicles would go by, and the deer 1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:50.320 wouldn't spook that bad from the vehicles was so used 1:51:50.360 --> 1:51:53.760 to highway traffic. My dad had his recurve and and 1:51:53.880 --> 1:51:57.200 had had his body take his van with the door 1:51:57.320 --> 1:52:00.320 open so that my dad could jump out of the 1:52:00.360 --> 1:52:04.280 moving van into a ditch with his bow to get 1:52:04.320 --> 1:52:09.920 the approach. So his buddy drives by slowly. My dad 1:52:10.120 --> 1:52:16.600 rolls out of the van into the ditch, um the 1:52:16.720 --> 1:52:19.120 deer watches the van roll away, and my dad rolls 1:52:19.200 --> 1:52:22.560 up with his boat and lets an arrow go, and 1:52:22.720 --> 1:52:25.200 so much time elapse between the noise of the arrows 1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:27.120 release that the deer was able to swing its head 1:52:27.160 --> 1:52:30.240 around in the direction and blackout its chest with its 1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:33.840 own head and caught it right there and dropped. He 1:52:34.280 --> 1:52:36.439 killed it. Yeah, but it jumped the string and the 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:45.800 worst worst way imagine. Um. So yeah, man, the arrows 1:52:45.880 --> 1:52:53.840 is back and I was feeling real, real down. Um. 1:52:55.080 --> 1:52:58.599 We went and laid low for a few hours. It's 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:02.720 probably three hours, because here's the thing, man, Like, if 1:53:02.720 --> 1:53:04.280 you get a situation like that, you should lay low 1:53:04.320 --> 1:53:07.360 a long time. But it's so hot. It's hot, and 1:53:07.400 --> 1:53:09.439 we're very far away from the vehicle, and you got 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:17.280 dark coming. There's coyotes and bears and wolves hanging around. Um, 1:53:17.760 --> 1:53:21.760 and it's, like I said, very warm, uncomfortably hot that day, 1:53:23.840 --> 1:53:26.439 lay down for three hours, swarmed with flies and bees 1:53:26.520 --> 1:53:32.519 and ants like that kind of weather, and start trailing 1:53:33.439 --> 1:53:37.920 and it's just pinpricks. Remember I think Seth you said, 1:53:37.960 --> 1:53:40.400 like literally a pin prick. It's like if you dipped 1:53:40.439 --> 1:53:44.240 a pin and all the blood we were find it 1:53:44.280 --> 1:53:46.120 would be like on the left side of his line 1:53:46.160 --> 1:53:48.719 of travel, he would brush off blood about three ft 1:53:48.720 --> 1:53:53.640 off the ground. One of the clues we found to 1:53:53.720 --> 1:53:56.599 help in the tracking is Jana's found a scratch mark 1:53:56.720 --> 1:54:01.120 on a tree that was where the knock of the 1:54:01.280 --> 1:54:05.040 arrow scratched the tree. Yeah, he split two trees that 1:54:05.080 --> 1:54:09.240 weren't that far apart in the knocks scratched. And we 1:54:09.320 --> 1:54:12.200 were tracking. We were looking for heavy foot, heavy tracks, 1:54:12.280 --> 1:54:18.519 heavy foot, heavily placed foot tracks, footprints, um following those, 1:54:18.680 --> 1:54:22.000 trying to coordinate those with little pinpricks of blood. I 1:54:22.040 --> 1:54:24.519 didn't think about it now, but when he brushed against 1:54:24.600 --> 1:54:26.720 that tree, or was forced to brush against that tree 1:54:26.760 --> 1:54:28.880 with that arrow that was still stuck inside, that probably 1:54:28.920 --> 1:54:30.720 did a fair amount of damage. I thought a lot 1:54:30.760 --> 1:54:33.360 about that, even at the time. I was like, that's 1:54:33.400 --> 1:54:39.480 like a whole that's helpful. Um, So it would be 1:54:39.560 --> 1:54:41.400 that you'd get a bit of blood, and you'd find 1:54:41.480 --> 1:54:45.000 us set of tracks and and make sense of the tracks, 1:54:45.080 --> 1:54:48.520 and follow the tracks and try to corroborate your instincts 1:54:50.840 --> 1:54:52.920 with another drop of blood that verifies that it's right 1:54:53.000 --> 1:54:56.040 or not. And we're tying little ribbons in the trees, 1:54:56.160 --> 1:54:58.040 and so you can also sort of get this sense 1:54:58.120 --> 1:55:00.960 of travel. And it really made sense to me that 1:55:01.040 --> 1:55:04.040 he would have followed the river bottom but didn't, and 1:55:04.400 --> 1:55:07.000 uh cut up and we tracked him and how many 1:55:07.040 --> 1:55:11.480 hours you think it took roughly three trailed for three hours, 1:55:12.040 --> 1:55:18.240 and you traveled three miles of zig zagging. Your GPS 1:55:18.280 --> 1:55:21.200 showed that you traveled three miles. Yeah, you had a 1:55:21.240 --> 1:55:25.000 phone with the on X app on it. And since 1:55:25.040 --> 1:55:28.880 we started tracking, we went. We moved the track one 1:55:29.440 --> 1:55:34.080 seventy yards as the crow flies, but you zig zag 1:55:34.280 --> 1:55:40.520 three miles looking for droplets of blood. Three and then 1:55:41.720 --> 1:55:45.800 so now it's about six hard dark is eight. It's 1:55:45.840 --> 1:55:50.880 about six, and we're here an elk. I jump and 1:55:50.920 --> 1:55:53.000 out at seventy five yards away from me, and I 1:55:53.120 --> 1:55:58.320 hear it storm off and then go quiet, and we 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:03.200 suspect that, like we bumped him, now we have to 1:56:03.320 --> 1:56:11.280 wait till the morning two get after him. And that's 1:56:11.320 --> 1:56:14.200 bad because it's gonna be it's not getting cold at night. 1:56:14.600 --> 1:56:18.480 It's not getting cold at night. And then hike takes 1:56:18.480 --> 1:56:20.920 a couple of hours to hike out of there. Go 1:56:21.080 --> 1:56:22.880 back to what I did. Last thing I did is 1:56:22.960 --> 1:56:26.520 I took and shot away point in the in the 1:56:26.600 --> 1:56:29.080 cardinal direction that I thought the sound was and guessed 1:56:29.080 --> 1:56:32.280 that it was maybe seventy five yards away and set 1:56:32.360 --> 1:56:34.640 that way point. And we went back up in the 1:56:34.720 --> 1:56:38.000 morning and Jonas and Seth started trying to work the track, 1:56:38.800 --> 1:56:41.160 like work out the track and the trail. And I 1:56:41.320 --> 1:56:43.960 jumped ahead to where I thought it jumped from and 1:56:44.120 --> 1:56:45.960 looked there and couldn't find the bed. But eventually we 1:56:46.000 --> 1:56:51.800 found where it laid down and bled, and I went 1:56:51.880 --> 1:56:53.800 to the where I thought the sounds had gone and 1:56:53.840 --> 1:56:57.960 where the sound ended and picked up a little pinprick 1:56:58.000 --> 1:57:00.280 of blood, and that let us jump the trail quite 1:57:00.320 --> 1:57:03.560 a ways. Yeah, Lauren actually found that bad that he 1:57:03.680 --> 1:57:06.680 was better than then. We had a fair amount of 1:57:06.720 --> 1:57:10.440 blood in it, but yeah, you made a big jump. 1:57:10.520 --> 1:57:13.920 We jumped like a solid and a hundred yards and 1:57:14.000 --> 1:57:15.920 then the weirdest saying one of the weirdest things ever 1:57:16.000 --> 1:57:19.200 happened in the woods happens all of a sudden, I 1:57:19.280 --> 1:57:24.040 hear what I swear is a person whistling. That's what 1:57:24.120 --> 1:57:26.320 it sounded like to me too, And it took me 1:57:26.320 --> 1:57:28.600 a few minutes realized it was in fact a person whistling. 1:57:28.640 --> 1:57:30.560 And at this point we traveled up where we're only 1:57:31.320 --> 1:57:35.360 less than two yards from a property boundary, and I'm like, oh, 1:57:35.400 --> 1:57:38.920 we're gonna get pre yelled at by a landowner or 1:57:39.000 --> 1:57:41.360 something like why else is this guy like hot to talk? 1:57:41.440 --> 1:57:46.960 To us. At this point, we're very close to what 1:57:47.040 --> 1:57:50.920 would become the end of the blood trail. This guy 1:57:51.120 --> 1:57:55.040 is another bowl hunter out and he glasses up a 1:57:55.160 --> 1:57:58.960 bull laying in a weird spot and it wound up 1:57:59.000 --> 1:58:01.560 being the heat glass stop our dead bull, and had 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:05.240 gone down there to take pictures of it to show 1:58:05.320 --> 1:58:07.080 to his friends and act like he got her, make 1:58:07.120 --> 1:58:11.720 a gag on his friends. And he starts yelling to us, 1:58:12.480 --> 1:58:14.200 and we realized that just that, I mean, we would 1:58:14.200 --> 1:58:16.120 have hit it and wouldn't be long. We would have 1:58:16.200 --> 1:58:18.480 hit it anyway. Yeah, we'd probably been on it in 1:58:19.480 --> 1:58:23.959 less than fifteen minutes there. It was piled up. In hindsight, 1:58:24.080 --> 1:58:26.440 I believe that when we jumped it, I think it 1:58:26.520 --> 1:58:30.720 ran down that hill and died. I know you don't 1:58:30.720 --> 1:58:34.840 agree with that take. That's what I think happened, just 1:58:34.960 --> 1:58:37.360 because of how it was piled up there and what 1:58:37.560 --> 1:58:40.240 was going on with the where it was, and he 1:58:40.400 --> 1:58:42.640 ran down the hill and died. But it was a 1:58:42.680 --> 1:58:45.440 warm night, it was a warm morning. We had a 1:58:45.520 --> 1:58:51.080 long hike in there, but this point it was hot out. Yeah, 1:58:51.120 --> 1:58:56.240 we found him. I think about ten am. All those 1:58:56.320 --> 1:58:59.400 flies that had been on us, we're on him, and 1:58:59.520 --> 1:59:02.280 at that one it was like a big bowl, man. 1:59:03.120 --> 1:59:05.000 And at that point it's just like getting in there 1:59:05.200 --> 1:59:06.720 and and and it's like a thing that's had. I 1:59:06.760 --> 1:59:08.400 can tell you that the four it's happened to be 1:59:08.600 --> 1:59:13.280 four times out of many, not just mine, but me 1:59:13.480 --> 1:59:18.000 being present for four big game kills where meat was 1:59:18.080 --> 1:59:21.160 lost because the heat, and they all had to do 1:59:21.440 --> 1:59:24.640 with Three of the four had to do with not 1:59:24.960 --> 1:59:27.320 finding an animal the day you got it, but finding 1:59:27.360 --> 1:59:30.080 it the next day. Three of the four. The fourth 1:59:30.160 --> 1:59:34.280 was just just having my first out west hunting experience 1:59:34.320 --> 1:59:36.400 and not realizing how quickly things can go south if 1:59:36.440 --> 1:59:39.720 you're not careful. The other three were all from We're 1:59:39.760 --> 1:59:42.080 all from not finding something to have to find finding 1:59:42.120 --> 1:59:46.400 something the next day, but lost lost meat, lost a 1:59:46.440 --> 1:59:53.600 considerable amount of meat, yeah, possibly half the animal, which 1:59:53.680 --> 1:59:56.400 is like makes it sickening. Man. It's like you want 1:59:56.440 --> 1:59:59.880 to be happy, you know, you want to be a 2:00:00.000 --> 2:00:01.520 have you bought it, But in the end, it's like 2:00:01.640 --> 2:00:04.160 it's just always winds up being like a little bit tainted, 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:07.280 and it's like a bull of a lifetime, man, Like 2:00:07.320 --> 2:00:09.280 I won't get a bull like that again. I mean 2:00:09.320 --> 2:00:14.080 maybe I will, but I don't deserve to. I don't 2:00:14.120 --> 2:00:17.080 expect to, but you always got that and you and you, 2:00:17.280 --> 2:00:20.680 and so you run in your head and it's like, Okay, 2:00:22.000 --> 2:00:25.680 you try to do your shot right, and you did. 2:00:25.880 --> 2:00:28.160 Maybe there's an excuse why, like maybe you jumped the string. 2:00:28.200 --> 2:00:30.520 Well that's partly your responsibility to don't shoot arrows and 2:00:30.560 --> 2:00:33.640 stuff that's aware of you. If it's already like hyper 2:00:33.720 --> 2:00:36.040 keyed into your presence and it's already like half thinking 2:00:36.080 --> 2:00:38.120 about bolting, maybe you don't let the arrow go, but 2:00:38.240 --> 2:00:42.800 you did because you're greedy. Then you blow your shot, 2:00:42.880 --> 2:00:44.120 and then you're like, Okay, the thing to do when 2:00:44.120 --> 2:00:46.240 you blow your shot is give it a while, give 2:00:46.280 --> 2:00:47.920 it a long time, so you don't pressure it. So 2:00:48.000 --> 2:00:50.920 you give it a long time. If you bump it, 2:00:51.240 --> 2:00:55.400 don't keep going back out pick it up the next day. 2:00:56.640 --> 2:01:00.320 But if you pick it up the next day, there's 2:01:01.280 --> 2:01:03.320 you know, you gotta wait twelve hours whatever, You gotta 2:01:03.320 --> 2:01:07.760 give it plenty of time. During that time, spoil itge occurs. 2:01:08.000 --> 2:01:09.280 So you run back in your head. You're like, man, 2:01:09.320 --> 2:01:10.680 all these ways in which I wish we would have 2:01:10.680 --> 2:01:12.680 done things better, but it's like I feel it kind 2:01:12.680 --> 2:01:14.240 of did everything you're supposed to do when the and 2:01:14.360 --> 2:01:20.960 he sort of wound up with a shitty outcome. There's 2:01:20.960 --> 2:01:27.640 no lesson. Oh, it's definitely some lessons within our experience. 2:01:29.040 --> 2:01:31.480 I don't know if there's like a hard lesson, not 2:01:31.680 --> 2:01:34.880 a hard lesson. There's no like next time, No, but 2:01:35.080 --> 2:01:37.000 next time you jump on when you're trailing it, you're 2:01:37.000 --> 2:01:41.280 gonna go running after it. No. No, but these lessons 2:01:41.320 --> 2:01:43.560 would be would just would be the sort of like 2:01:43.680 --> 2:01:48.040 reinforcing lessons that you would do what we did because 2:01:48.200 --> 2:01:50.640 I think that we did end up with a because 2:01:50.720 --> 2:01:52.960 with our blood trail, we could end up not finding 2:01:53.040 --> 2:01:55.240 him and we could have bumped him some more and 2:01:55.280 --> 2:01:57.280 he might have not been laying out on an easy 2:01:57.400 --> 2:02:00.160 rage to find him. He could have gone another half 2:02:00.200 --> 2:02:03.920 mile farther and died in some hell whole tangle where 2:02:04.480 --> 2:02:06.640 you know, the dude from the nest side didn't see him. 2:02:06.880 --> 2:02:10.280 We lost the blood trail, lost the heavy tracks as 2:02:10.320 --> 2:02:13.120 he comes out on the open ground with his rocks 2:02:13.160 --> 2:02:18.640 and it's hard to track. So you know, I feel 2:02:18.640 --> 2:02:21.760 like we like did pretty good. There's been a lot 2:02:21.840 --> 2:02:25.520 of other many much worse scenarios. There are lessons to 2:02:25.600 --> 2:02:28.960 be learned in fortifying things you already think are true 2:02:30.040 --> 2:02:33.960 because it makes you more certain. But in some ways 2:02:34.000 --> 2:02:35.760 this shook that up because, like I said, the thing 2:02:35.920 --> 2:02:38.240 is when you bump something, never pressure. But I think 2:02:38.240 --> 2:02:39.640 if we had walked over it would have been land 2:02:39.720 --> 2:02:44.880 or dead. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll never know learn when 2:02:44.920 --> 2:02:47.560 we think about all that. That's the end of my story. 2:02:47.720 --> 2:02:50.480 The end of my story. It worked out, big, huge 2:02:50.520 --> 2:02:54.760 giant bowl, were stuck with it and recovered the bowl 2:02:54.800 --> 2:02:58.720 of a lifetime for you. Uh yeah, to everyone's credit, 2:02:58.720 --> 2:03:00.360 I think it was. It was one of the best 2:03:00.520 --> 2:03:04.600 bits of tracking. Yeah, very much a team effort, best track. 2:03:04.640 --> 2:03:10.120 And I've been around rich ponder he even, uh, I 2:03:10.240 --> 2:03:13.160 was getting in there despite what about this orange leaf? 2:03:17.000 --> 2:03:19.600 I found one one spot of blood after we are 2:03:19.760 --> 2:03:21.320 like somebody had found on the way ahead, and as 2:03:21.360 --> 2:03:23.120 we were walking there, I like turned and looked and 2:03:23.400 --> 2:03:24.960 found one spot of blood and I was like, all right, 2:03:24.960 --> 2:03:28.520 I found one spot. I didn't totally fail, even though 2:03:28.560 --> 2:03:30.920 it like it wasn't didn't help the investigation at all, 2:03:31.520 --> 2:03:34.560 But I was stoked that my eyes weren't totally shot. Yeah, 2:03:34.680 --> 2:03:39.600 that's a crazy task to have the track just drops 2:03:39.640 --> 2:03:44.720 of blood like that I couldn't see anything. Uh, I 2:03:44.800 --> 2:03:48.440 didn't find a single spot of blood. I saw a 2:03:48.600 --> 2:03:53.640 bed eventually from looking at obvious heavy tracks and a 2:03:53.720 --> 2:03:57.440 wet spot in dirt. So it had to be pretty 2:03:57.520 --> 2:04:01.520 in my face to see anything. So it was amazing. Yeah, 2:04:01.560 --> 2:04:04.760 it takes a level of focus that I think that uh, 2:04:05.880 --> 2:04:09.880 most humans aren't normally used to doing. Uh. That what 2:04:10.040 --> 2:04:12.040 it takes to be on a track like that when 2:04:12.080 --> 2:04:14.600 you're going down to when you're going well, when it 2:04:14.680 --> 2:04:18.880 gets down to pin drops every ten or twenty ft, 2:04:21.000 --> 2:04:25.360 it is just so easy to be like, I'm done 2:04:25.760 --> 2:04:28.440 giving up. You know. Sometimes they're on the leaf, sometimes 2:04:28.560 --> 2:04:30.880 on the ground, so you're just kind of like looking everywhere, 2:04:30.880 --> 2:04:33.400 and the leaves had like little me and Stets are 2:04:33.440 --> 2:04:35.320 talking about that there's like weird like as the least 2:04:35.360 --> 2:04:40.240 for changing, there's like weird little like liquid e looking ambery, 2:04:40.440 --> 2:04:42.880 brownish spots like every time you look at leaf you're like, 2:04:42.920 --> 2:04:47.920 oh there's oh no, it's not blood. Um. When you're 2:04:47.960 --> 2:04:51.440 filming Haunts, Lauren, uh, how much you live in like 2:04:51.640 --> 2:04:58.720 the the product and how much are you live in? Uh, 2:04:59.840 --> 2:05:05.280 the the experience of being along. I think it kind 2:05:05.320 --> 2:05:08.400 of goes both ways that It's been a while since 2:05:09.480 --> 2:05:12.480 I've done a real serious hunt, Like I think I've 2:05:12.520 --> 2:05:16.080 had a couple of years off. But before I did 2:05:16.200 --> 2:05:20.400 any hunting filming at all, I really didn't have any 2:05:20.440 --> 2:05:26.280 interest in hunting whatsoever. But that experience and that education 2:05:26.600 --> 2:05:30.120 in in watching people who knew what they were doing, 2:05:30.240 --> 2:05:32.680 change my perspective on all of it and kind of 2:05:32.720 --> 2:05:36.360 gave me a passion for it in and of itself. 2:05:36.520 --> 2:05:41.240 So I think it's a little bit of both. You know, 2:05:41.400 --> 2:05:43.720 if you're behind the camera, if you're producing anything, I 2:05:43.840 --> 2:05:46.280 think you want to produce something that's going to be 2:05:47.160 --> 2:05:50.240 as top shelf as you can possibly make it. So 2:05:50.400 --> 2:05:54.720 that comes into play all the time, ah as being 2:05:55.520 --> 2:05:57.920 a high priority because you don't want to put your 2:05:58.000 --> 2:06:04.440 name on something that isn't taught shelf. But the experience too, 2:06:05.720 --> 2:06:09.000 you know, it can't be replaced by anything because you're 2:06:09.080 --> 2:06:12.400 not going to get that experience as a camera guy, 2:06:12.480 --> 2:06:16.400 as a hunter without going and doing it and experiencing 2:06:16.520 --> 2:06:20.160 and checking it out and learning about it. I think 2:06:20.160 --> 2:06:23.920 about two that you got started filming by filming like 2:06:24.080 --> 2:06:29.960 like extreme white water kayaking and like stuff where people die, 2:06:31.080 --> 2:06:37.320 So you probably uh early on learned, Um, this idea 2:06:37.400 --> 2:06:39.160 that was that it wasn't always something that could be 2:06:39.200 --> 2:06:43.640 separated out, like there was like a real like filming 2:06:43.680 --> 2:06:45.200 that kind of stuff, that there was like a real 2:06:45.440 --> 2:06:48.160 risk there, you know, um, and you were living something 2:06:48.240 --> 2:06:51.280 kind of real. You were filming something that was happening 2:06:51.280 --> 2:06:54.080 in a very real way to people. Like it's like 2:06:54.200 --> 2:06:59.360 taking like extremely challenging risks both to capture it and 2:06:59.440 --> 2:07:01.520 what the people were doing. And so it probably felt 2:07:01.600 --> 2:07:05.280 like really uh, like I was saying earlier consequence, Rich, 2:07:06.000 --> 2:07:08.800 Oh yeah for sure. And you always in the back 2:07:08.800 --> 2:07:13.240 of your head wondered if the camera gave that person 2:07:13.640 --> 2:07:17.560 some sort of courage they wouldn't whether otherwise would have 2:07:17.640 --> 2:07:21.680 had uh like someone drowned and you're like, man, he 2:07:21.680 --> 2:07:23.480 would have never done that if we if we weren't 2:07:23.480 --> 2:07:31.960 filming it. Yeah, I mean there was the gnarliest thing 2:07:32.200 --> 2:07:35.839 during White Water for us, for me personally, was watching 2:07:35.880 --> 2:07:38.360 a guy go off a waterfall and break both of 2:07:38.440 --> 2:07:42.200 his legs. It changed his life. He never you know, 2:07:42.440 --> 2:07:47.120 he kept kayaking after that, but it was a moment 2:07:47.200 --> 2:07:50.320 in time in his life that just completely shaped his 2:07:50.440 --> 2:07:54.040 life for the rest of his life. And so the 2:07:54.160 --> 2:07:58.160 consequences were super real, and you kind of, as the 2:07:58.280 --> 2:08:02.720 camera guy, even felt guilty for being there just to 2:08:03.040 --> 2:08:10.160 capture him doing his passion. Following his passion, major consequences 2:08:10.760 --> 2:08:12.600 and that. You know, I think as you get older, 2:08:12.720 --> 2:08:17.480 that priority or that desire to try and push the 2:08:17.560 --> 2:08:22.080 limits changes. But um, I don't know how you equate 2:08:22.120 --> 2:08:26.760 it to hunting. It's just obviously it's very different. But 2:08:26.880 --> 2:08:31.680 you are still taking risk. But you're the consequence there 2:08:31.760 --> 2:08:35.600 is You're like, you're you're you're dealing in life and death. 2:08:36.160 --> 2:08:41.600 You're dealing out death, which isn't the light thing. You know, 2:08:41.840 --> 2:08:47.560 You're out there dealing it. You're Yeah, you're like in 2:08:47.720 --> 2:08:54.720 this position of Yeah, you have like substantial sort of 2:08:54.840 --> 2:08:59.000 power that you're wielding with a weapon, right making choices 2:08:59.040 --> 2:09:03.960 about how things will die. Um, there's a necessity. There's 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:07.080 like a definite necessity to it. There's an inevitability to 2:09:07.200 --> 2:09:11.680 it for things that typically are dying violent deaths, violent 2:09:11.760 --> 2:09:14.600 painful deaths, regardless of your involvement in it. But all 2:09:14.600 --> 2:09:17.040 of sudden, you're inserting You're you're inserting yourself into it. 2:09:17.120 --> 2:09:25.680 You know, rich is this final thought? Yeah, man, it's 2:09:25.720 --> 2:09:27.320 a chance for your concluder you don't have to have one. 2:09:27.320 --> 2:09:29.280 I don't care. No I got I got one. Well, 2:09:29.360 --> 2:09:32.160 I don't know if I got one. It just took 2:09:32.360 --> 2:09:36.440 chewing some four seats. Yeah, we got into that. No dip, 2:09:36.600 --> 2:09:40.480 no dip on this trip. Just just spits, man, spit seeds, 2:09:40.560 --> 2:09:42.200 just fit seeds. But I don't want to feed your 2:09:42.240 --> 2:09:45.080 concluder to you. Uh, no concluder. I hadn't. I was 2:09:45.160 --> 2:09:50.720 kind of wrapped up in Lawrence. A little thing there 2:09:50.760 --> 2:09:54.760 that was a that was a good man. Um No, 2:09:55.040 --> 2:09:57.840 just the whole experience was crazy. Just seeing those elk 2:09:57.920 --> 2:10:01.640 that close and here in the vehicles and being out 2:10:01.720 --> 2:10:05.360 there is just I hadn't done anything like that before, 2:10:05.520 --> 2:10:08.520 despite being on l hunts before. It was he can 2:10:08.560 --> 2:10:11.320 be religious. I have two clients I know of that 2:10:12.640 --> 2:10:15.000 they came back so many times that they've worked through 2:10:15.080 --> 2:10:17.920 probably all the guides over the years, but that they 2:10:18.080 --> 2:10:20.760 both wanted at least one all of his ashes and 2:10:20.840 --> 2:10:23.720 the other one part of his ashes spread out on 2:10:23.880 --> 2:10:26.680 those mountains that we used to hunt, because it was 2:10:26.760 --> 2:10:29.320 just so special to him to be there in September 2:10:29.880 --> 2:10:35.040 in those woods and and you know it being part 2:10:35.080 --> 2:10:49.840 of what we just did last week off whistle. What 2:10:49.960 --> 2:10:53.480 else you got? Ah, it's about it, man. Both these 2:10:53.520 --> 2:10:57.440 guys killed it on their first mediator trip. Did a 2:10:57.480 --> 2:11:00.640 great job. It was a great to be a part 2:11:00.720 --> 2:11:05.000 of wonderful footage. Wonderful footage which I look forward to 2:11:05.040 --> 2:11:10.160 people seeing. Yeah, me too, Kelsey, I have like a 2:11:10.360 --> 2:11:14.480 concluder question. Oh that's great man. Okay. We talked about 2:11:14.600 --> 2:11:16.840 like the loser ship factor a little bit, and I 2:11:16.960 --> 2:11:20.480 feel like, you know, me as a new hunter not 2:11:20.640 --> 2:11:24.080 having that experience, thinking about it in the future someday. 2:11:24.320 --> 2:11:26.800 A lot of people, you know, they prepare by shooting 2:11:26.800 --> 2:11:30.160 at a target at best, like a total archery challenge 2:11:30.200 --> 2:11:35.240 style preparation. You know, like, what would you say to people? 2:11:35.480 --> 2:11:37.400 How do you how do you prepare for that experience 2:11:37.440 --> 2:11:38.800 where you go out there all of a sudden you 2:11:38.880 --> 2:11:41.200 have a bow and arrow in your hands and there's 2:11:41.240 --> 2:11:45.600 a screaming out, you know, thirty five yards away? What 2:11:46.080 --> 2:11:49.880 what do you? What can you do? My My My 2:11:50.120 --> 2:11:55.400 feeling is that it's the only thing is exposure to 2:11:55.480 --> 2:11:59.160 the thing itself. I don't think it's replicable. Um, but 2:11:59.320 --> 2:12:02.360 that's in season. Yeah. But our friends, but but there's 2:12:02.360 --> 2:12:05.440 people that disagree, like our friend Rory Denver, who was 2:12:05.560 --> 2:12:09.320 involved in in training some of the most like elite 2:12:09.400 --> 2:12:16.120 combat soldiers on the planet, feels that through realistic scenarios 2:12:17.840 --> 2:12:22.200 and constant drilling and realistic scenarios, he feels that you 2:12:22.280 --> 2:12:27.400 can achieve something close to actual experience where you can 2:12:27.480 --> 2:12:30.560 get people into a situation where it becomes roight. It 2:12:30.640 --> 2:12:35.480 becomes so right, kicking in the door and storming a compound, 2:12:36.880 --> 2:12:39.480 did it becomes so rot And you've done it so 2:12:39.600 --> 2:12:41.880 many times you know just exactly what to do that 2:12:41.960 --> 2:12:44.520 when you're doing it for real for the first time, 2:12:44.960 --> 2:12:47.320 you feel like you've already been here. But I don't 2:12:47.360 --> 2:12:49.000 think you can achieve that in this situation. Well that's 2:12:49.000 --> 2:12:50.960 what I'm saying, because like, what the hell would it 2:12:51.000 --> 2:12:53.440 be you only have this situation once a year, because like, 2:12:53.640 --> 2:12:56.880 I mean, I can I've been that close to ELK 2:12:57.200 --> 2:13:00.400 many times in my life, but the pressure wasn't there. Yeah, 2:13:01.200 --> 2:13:04.000 the scenario of a route wasn't there. You know. It's like, 2:13:04.240 --> 2:13:07.560 how do you prepare yourself for that intensive experience where 2:13:07.600 --> 2:13:10.440 you're literally losing your ship and you have to accomplish something. 2:13:10.680 --> 2:13:13.200 I feel like it's just it's it's it's exposure to 2:13:13.240 --> 2:13:14.800 the thing itself. I don't think it needs to be. 2:13:14.840 --> 2:13:16.960 I think it would absolutely help if you were just 2:13:17.080 --> 2:13:20.560 standing with someone or with the car, just any amoun 2:13:20.680 --> 2:13:23.040 exposure to it. But it's not a trainable thing. I 2:13:23.080 --> 2:13:27.760 think you can. Yeah, there is just nothing that's gonna 2:13:27.840 --> 2:13:34.280 trip you up emotionally and psychologically that that will like, 2:13:34.520 --> 2:13:38.480 let's say they had like some mechanical elk. You know 2:13:39.200 --> 2:13:41.280 you're not gonna be like, oh man, I've been through 2:13:41.360 --> 2:13:44.960 this before with that super realistic target that has an 2:13:45.320 --> 2:13:47.840 vehicle noise it makes. It just isn't gonna do it. 2:13:48.120 --> 2:13:50.640 And there's some people that are never going to get 2:13:50.720 --> 2:13:53.080 over it. And there's some people that are just cold 2:13:53.200 --> 2:13:55.120 blooded and don't mean that in a negative way. I 2:13:55.160 --> 2:13:58.640 mean some people that can separate. I would like I 2:13:58.800 --> 2:14:01.480 lost it when I had like gobbling turkeys my first 2:14:01.520 --> 2:14:03.760 turkey season this year. So I'm like, man, when am 2:14:03.760 --> 2:14:06.280 I gonna do? You know? I called a turkey and 2:14:06.320 --> 2:14:09.040 for a guy that never hunted the spring and when 2:14:09.080 --> 2:14:12.880 that turkey showed its head, he said, oh my god, 2:14:17.400 --> 2:14:21.040 the turkey, but it's stunned him. Yeah. I think that's 2:14:21.080 --> 2:14:24.040 just like an ongoing question. Everybody has to prepare yourself 2:14:24.120 --> 2:14:28.040 for the fact that you're not going to just be okay. Well, 2:14:28.200 --> 2:14:31.120 a lot of times it gets worse because the beginners 2:14:31.480 --> 2:14:35.280 can have like a beginner coolness because you just you 2:14:35.440 --> 2:14:38.480 just so um. You don't even have enough exposure to 2:14:38.680 --> 2:14:41.320 know that you should how excited you should be. And 2:14:41.400 --> 2:14:43.880 so the first couple of times you can, everybody's like, damn, 2:14:44.440 --> 2:14:46.400 you just did that perfectly. It was like no big deal. 2:14:46.480 --> 2:14:48.760 And then the next time you sort of like you're 2:14:48.760 --> 2:14:51.360 just a little bit more relaxed, and somehow there's more 2:14:51.520 --> 2:14:54.760 chemicals entering your brain and your body. And I mean, 2:14:54.800 --> 2:14:57.640 how many times when we were kids both hunt where 2:14:57.640 --> 2:14:59.720 you like trying to pull on that string and you 2:14:59.760 --> 2:15:03.440 were like, I physically can't pull my bow back because 2:15:03.680 --> 2:15:06.520 of buck fever. I had buck I had buck fever, 2:15:07.840 --> 2:15:11.240 might even been doe fever. I was late in high 2:15:11.280 --> 2:15:15.400 school and I couldn't pull my bow back. I had 2:15:15.440 --> 2:15:18.400 a set too high. I don't honestly keep it mind 2:15:18.440 --> 2:15:21.200 when I'm setting my bow like, I don't just go 2:15:21.360 --> 2:15:23.560 to like Max. I go to like dude, when you're 2:15:23.600 --> 2:15:26.280 in panic mode, this bow gunna grease back? Nice, That's 2:15:26.320 --> 2:15:30.400 what I think about. Because I had like you're cold, 2:15:31.240 --> 2:15:33.880 too cold to get it back, and too nervous, And 2:15:34.000 --> 2:15:36.040 so I don't run like I don't just like keep 2:15:36.080 --> 2:15:39.040 cranking until I'm like pulling to get the bow back. 2:15:39.120 --> 2:15:44.320 I can pull my bow back nice thinking about that stuff. Yeah, 2:15:44.360 --> 2:15:46.360 And I can call bulls in and get all these 2:15:46.400 --> 2:15:49.400 experiences and sit there and be half asleep on the 2:15:49.520 --> 2:15:53.440 hillside just with a smile on my face, rock in 2:15:53.480 --> 2:15:57.120 your hands on your face. If I if I had 2:15:57.240 --> 2:15:59.080 just jumped over the ridge and put a bow in 2:15:59.160 --> 2:16:02.840 my hand, it's just it's just completely changes, like the 2:16:03.000 --> 2:16:06.920 blood pushures through the roof. But there's things that we 2:16:07.040 --> 2:16:10.800 did in our camp um in Colorado that a lot 2:16:10.880 --> 2:16:13.200 of guys said helped him a lot. Like we had 2:16:13.240 --> 2:16:15.040 a three D course set up, didn't have a bunch 2:16:15.080 --> 2:16:17.120 of targets, you know, maybe six or eight or so, 2:16:17.640 --> 2:16:20.760 and we would set up just funky crazy ship like 2:16:20.880 --> 2:16:23.400 shooting through a bunch of tight aspens where the lane 2:16:23.520 --> 2:16:25.840 was only eight inches, or we'd have them set up 2:16:25.840 --> 2:16:27.480 on a bench and we would make it so like 2:16:27.800 --> 2:16:30.320 we'd all stopped before you could see the target and 2:16:30.400 --> 2:16:33.440 be like, okay, here's how this shot works. Not gonna arrow, 2:16:33.720 --> 2:16:35.600 you're gonna take three steps, you're gonna be able to 2:16:35.640 --> 2:16:37.800 see that elk. You need to draw your bow and 2:16:38.160 --> 2:16:39.760 count to three in your head and make a shot, 2:16:40.240 --> 2:16:42.680 because that's how it happens in real life, right, And 2:16:42.760 --> 2:16:45.280 so we would sort of play out these scenarios. And again, 2:16:45.360 --> 2:16:47.800 these were seasoned hunters, you know, they're out on a paying, 2:16:48.000 --> 2:16:50.320 paid elk hunt. But we would do a lot of 2:16:50.360 --> 2:16:52.480 stuff like that where it wasn't just like we were 2:16:52.520 --> 2:16:54.400 just out there shooting a target or just even if 2:16:54.400 --> 2:16:56.360 it was an elk target, just shooting an elk target 2:16:56.360 --> 2:16:58.200 out in the field. But we would, you know, make 2:16:58.280 --> 2:17:00.760 scenarios up in our heads. You know, we did a 2:17:00.840 --> 2:17:02.920 lot of times have guys shooting stuff that was two 2:17:03.000 --> 2:17:05.160 and three yards away, because you tell you what, a 2:17:05.200 --> 2:17:07.400 lot of dude, especially confound bow guys, they have no 2:17:07.480 --> 2:17:09.240 idea where the arrow is gonna hit when it's at 2:17:09.280 --> 2:17:12.360 two yards, and sometimes crazy ship like that happens, and 2:17:12.440 --> 2:17:16.039 you need to have that confidence to just be like, yeah, whatever, 2:17:16.200 --> 2:17:18.200 all my pins on his heart and touch it off. 2:17:18.640 --> 2:17:21.560 But if you've never gone through that, and also there's 2:17:21.560 --> 2:17:24.240 an elk at two yards or three yards, you can 2:17:24.360 --> 2:17:28.040 very well freeze up and never pull the trigger or 2:17:28.240 --> 2:17:31.520 or or whatever. Just be so and never pick a spot, 2:17:31.920 --> 2:17:33.960 because even in two yards, you better pick your spot 2:17:34.040 --> 2:17:36.039 and not just go, oh, there's an elk and pull 2:17:36.080 --> 2:17:37.880 the trigger. You're gonna end up with one of the guts. 2:17:38.320 --> 2:17:40.160 I took one of my old girlfriends out once and 2:17:40.240 --> 2:17:42.600 we get out from a bugle and bowl and he 2:17:42.680 --> 2:17:47.160 comes over fifteen yards away fully reaction. She never pulled 2:17:47.200 --> 2:17:50.120 her bow back. He's got up, stood there bugle a 2:17:50.160 --> 2:17:52.200 couple of times, walked on the Earth's other bridge. I'm 2:17:52.240 --> 2:17:53.800 like behind her, I get like, what happens? She's like, 2:17:53.879 --> 2:17:58.040 I don't know. Never pulled the bow. It was just 2:17:58.120 --> 2:18:01.000 too much. We used to make do ten or twenty 2:18:01.080 --> 2:18:03.960 jumping jack's then knock an arrow and take a shot 2:18:04.040 --> 2:18:06.520 in three or three to five seconds, just to get 2:18:06.560 --> 2:18:11.400 their heart rate up. But yeah, still like buck fever. 2:18:11.640 --> 2:18:16.000 I don't think you're you're not gonna replicate it. And 2:18:16.080 --> 2:18:18.560 I'll tell you what makes it worse is messing up. 2:18:21.240 --> 2:18:23.840 It makes it worse the next time. Put in the hole. Yeah, 2:18:24.280 --> 2:18:26.480 if you start out on flat ground, it puts you 2:18:26.520 --> 2:18:33.240 in a hole. Seth, how ready get after the big 2:18:33.280 --> 2:18:37.640 old flathead catfish. I am I'm stoked for that flatheads 2:18:37.680 --> 2:18:41.240 and some squirrels. H No, I just had a blast, man. 2:18:41.440 --> 2:18:47.320 It was a good group of guys and awesome hunt, challenging, rewarding. Um, 2:18:47.879 --> 2:18:51.600 I'll try to help my cookie game next time. I'll 2:18:51.640 --> 2:18:58.160 work on that dates I'll write that down. But yeah, 2:18:59.000 --> 2:19:02.879 awesome trip. Congrats to get on the big jam bull. Yeah. Um. 2:19:04.200 --> 2:19:05.960 Do you feel because you've done a bit of elk hunting? 2:19:06.440 --> 2:19:08.160 Do you feel that after're going to a unit like that? 2:19:08.800 --> 2:19:10.480 Does it kind of like make everything seemed like a 2:19:10.520 --> 2:19:13.680 little bit of a bummer? Maybe a little bit. I 2:19:13.720 --> 2:19:17.440 don't I'm struggling with that if all spots were like that, 2:19:17.560 --> 2:19:18.960 spots like do you really need to go back to 2:19:19.000 --> 2:19:20.640 the kind of place where someone blows a call and 2:19:20.720 --> 2:19:22.840 it just explodes with the reach, like the wood just 2:19:22.959 --> 2:19:27.000 explodes the outgoing to other directions? Yeah, her like, dude, 2:19:27.080 --> 2:19:30.320 it's dude, I know that sound the yeah, the morning 2:19:30.440 --> 2:19:33.959 you shot your bull. I don't know. I don't think 2:19:34.040 --> 2:19:36.560 too many elk hunters get to experience something like that. 2:19:38.360 --> 2:19:46.480 That was crazy. No, No, they don't. Yeah, I agree, 2:19:46.520 --> 2:19:49.760 it is to you far between, but hard to appreciate 2:19:50.240 --> 2:19:53.800 those haunts without being out on a bunch of public 2:19:53.920 --> 2:19:56.560 land haunts where if you call a bull a day 2:19:56.640 --> 2:19:59.039 in or even just have an interaction with a bull 2:19:59.120 --> 2:20:03.400 per day, like that's good. What's cool about this is 2:20:03.480 --> 2:20:06.400 public land? Yeah, so it's kind of fun like that 2:20:07.879 --> 2:20:11.760 where it's like there's like at least a chance. And 2:20:11.840 --> 2:20:13.920 we had ups and downs. I mean we had two 2:20:14.040 --> 2:20:17.400 days of zero bugles and feeling like, oh what are 2:20:17.480 --> 2:20:19.840 we doing? Like we have no idea how to hunt 2:20:19.920 --> 2:20:22.520 elk kinda you know, because it's gonna call it would 2:20:22.560 --> 2:20:24.760 cost to go have that, to go buy that experience 2:20:24.879 --> 2:20:30.959 is twenty yeah, close to it for sure to buy 2:20:31.040 --> 2:20:35.600 that experience. But with public land, luck of the draw 2:20:37.000 --> 2:20:40.240 could happen to anyone. Yep. It sounds like not for 2:20:40.320 --> 2:20:43.360 non residents in Washington though, as you explain, I don't 2:20:43.360 --> 2:20:47.520 know what the odds are there and around right like 2:20:47.720 --> 2:20:51.520 there's like great, you know, it's great. Units of Colorado, 2:20:51.560 --> 2:20:54.920 there's units in Utahler's unions in Arizona. There's units of Montana, 2:20:55.000 --> 2:20:58.039 like because units every state, like there's every state has 2:20:58.080 --> 2:21:00.800 a couple of those spots that you could just hit 2:21:02.400 --> 2:21:07.840 without costing what you paid for a vehicle. No, no 2:21:07.959 --> 2:21:10.160 closing thoughts for me other than I can I can't 2:21:10.200 --> 2:21:13.680 wait to. Uh have you learned how to call it real? Good? 2:21:13.720 --> 2:21:17.760 And then called big and I told you already doesn't 2:21:17.800 --> 2:21:19.800 have to be an eight by eight, just a seven 2:21:19.840 --> 2:21:27.840 by seven will be cool. I got that's the one, 2:21:30.200 --> 2:21:35.040 all right. Guys, Thank you all for coming, Thanks for 2:21:35.120 --> 2:21:39.440 having us going hunting jerious. You are