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Speaker 1: can't predict anything, um, Seth Morris. Can you tell everybody

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Speaker 1: heard you guys talk about what you've heard. Turkey's Gobble

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Speaker 1: Uh so um one. I'm from Pennsylvania. You can't hunt

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Speaker 1: Turkey's Gobble Too perfect that's the things I'm interested in.

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Speaker 1: So and this this ties in two of those things.

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Speaker 1: If you were packing a dip, this would be a

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Speaker 1: So um on Sunday, So, me and my buddy went

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Speaker 1: hollows you do Yep, you guys can't do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can hollow, No, not holler hollow. Okay, I was

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Speaker 1: but they actually pronounce it. We call him hollows. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where it came from,

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Speaker 1: go dig to this guy's garbage. There's some meat scraps

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Speaker 1: another quick piece. Dude road in saying he can't listen

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Speaker 1: and all we're hearing about all these bulls screaming their

426
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: fool heads off and here's the bull and narrow some

427
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: cows and he never makes a peep. We watched them

428
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: in the evening, slept listen through the night in our

429
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: sleeping bags, woke up in the morning, never a peep,

430
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: and there's wolf tracks right down on the bottom of

431
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: that drainage. People get anxious about those wolves. Man, the wolves.

432
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's why those talk are all living

433
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: on those steep hillsides, because of those wolves being around.

434
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's advantageous to them, Like it's harder

435
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: for the wolves to get a killed. It's way harder

436
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: from the hunt. They don't like hunting on that stuff.

437
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Lions like hunting steep stuff, but wolves don't like hunting

438
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: steep stuff because wolves hunt by like lions hunt by surprise,

439
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: very short jumps, and wolves hunt by just wearing you down,

440
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: and so they don't like being on that jump. But

441
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: the wolves have only been there for a couple of years,

442
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: so I think there's probably some of that stories unwritten.

443
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: But we get to the spot now it's like all

444
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: these people running around talking about all these bulls and everything,

445
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: and then um, yeah, it was like I did the

446
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: classic like leave Elk to find Elk, right, But you

447
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: didn't like none, did you? Annie? At that point, I

448
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: didn't really care because I figured in that unit we

449
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: would just walk down any trail and it was going

450
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: to be the same thing. Yeah, because we were here

451
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: in bugling Bulls at the same time we heard the

452
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: wolves the first night, but then after the wolves had

453
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: been in there, they shut up. Would you mind to

454
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: introduce yourself? Uh, my name is Lauren Malton. I'm one

455
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: of the camera guys. The first time you've ever been

456
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: out with us, first meat eater hunt, which but you

457
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: filmed like boatloads of hunts. I've had a few years

458
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: behind the camera on different hunting shows like Randy Newburgh's

459
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: On Your Own Adventures, Huntley Ridder's Outlanders, done some random stuff, uh,

460
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: other kinds of hunts, big network TV shows. Yeah, work

461
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: as a freelancer for a company out of Missoula, Montana.

462
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: Do Mountain Men on History Channel. Uh, and then over

463
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: the years have done a handful of other kinds of

464
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: shows like that. And what we're talking about before I

465
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: interrupted you, Oh, just the fact that we were here

466
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: in Bulls Bugle right there out of camp and you

467
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: guys were just mentioning that we left elk to find elk,

468
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: which you know, as always, you never know what to do,

469
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: right You think you just like Joanna said, you think

470
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like that everywhere you go, and then

471
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden year hiking seven miles and not

472
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: hearing anything. We did tons of like phone scouting, because

473
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: if you go to a hunt a place you've never been,

474
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: you have to start calling anyone you can think of.

475
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: So in the months since we drew the permit, we

476
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: talked to the local biologists, talked to the local game warden,

477
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: talked to it not quite local game warden, talk to

478
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: a not quite local biologists, talked to two guides, talked

479
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: to a former tag holder who talked to another formal

480
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: tag holder, talked to the pizza magnate Jimmy Doran, who

481
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: talked to another former tag holder. Well, I didn't know that,

482
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: and they all said the same thing, like unbelievably good

483
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: elk con which proved to be true. So I thought

484
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: you just would go and leave those elk and go

485
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: find a whole bunch of other ones. Down in his

486
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: bottom was canyons, and um, yeah, we just started wandering

487
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: around out there. There were elk down there. We had

488
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: to glass him up and then they you know, the

489
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: other thing I was thinking about earlier is there all

490
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: these campsites were full, but there were a lot of uh,

491
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: spike and cow tags given out in that unit as well. Right,

492
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: I think the just spike and I think it was

493
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: over the counter. Yeah, anybody. That's the crazy thing too

494
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: about Washington And I remember hearing this because my brother

495
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: lived at Walla Walla for a while. He's working on

496
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: a salmon project down there and live there, and you can,

497
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: like any time Dick or Harry can go into any

498
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: of these units with his bow and hunt spike elk

499
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: over the counter. So you get, you get everybody goes

500
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: like do you have a bull tag? That's everybody. That's

501
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: the first question out of everybody's mouth, because there's a

502
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: lot of dudes scrounging around and they're trying to scrounge

503
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: up a spike elk an adolescent male, a one and

504
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: a half year old male elk, which we maybe could

505
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: have had a poke at one. We saw two spikes

506
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: and one kind of hung out for a little bit,

507
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: saw a couple of spikes. Yeah, we got some good

508
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: chats that. Yeah, I had a spike stander. Yeah, he's

509
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: stood there at seventy yards for a long time. Go ahead,

510
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: I got a question, Kelsey Johnson says, girlfriend wildlife artists. Yes,

511
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: specializing in wildlife, and I actually do some gun dog

512
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: portraits as well. Kind of my little special yeah, specialized

513
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: gun dog portraits. Um, real quick. As someone wants to

514
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: get a picture of their dog drawn up, how should

515
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: they get a hold of you? Um? I show a

516
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: lot of my stuff on Instagram. I have my email

517
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: kind of on there for people that want to reach

518
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: out to me. Well, let's just go ahead and just

519
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: tell them where it is. Now, let's go my Instagram.

520
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: It's a k underscore r A E. John's j O

521
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: h n s. So that's kind of my little art.

522
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: That's your art a little YEA. Also work in the

523
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: egg industry yep, Midwestern agg sales big egg, big corn

524
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: and be big big egg and big art yep, big

525
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: bucks down there. So uh, real quick, just as long

526
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: as round the subject. How did you get in the

527
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: business of drawing people's dogs? Ah, that's a good story. Um,

528
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: well I have done a couple just for family members.

529
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, people love their pets right, Yes, they do. They.

530
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: I've done a couple for family friends and then UM

531
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: got connected with I actually saw a photo that Andy

532
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: Tramp from Muddy Shotter Media took of gun dog from

533
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: No Limits Kennels out of Heiser, Kansas. They just did

534
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: a little photography photography session. I was looking for a

535
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: challenging photograph to draw, asked set to get me access

536
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: to that photo and just starting it for fun. And

537
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Andy's my good buddy from back, so he took the

538
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of got I just was looking for a little challenge,

539
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: you know. It was. It was a good photo of

540
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: a German short hair with a bird in its mouth.

541
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: And um, the owner of the kennel found out about

542
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: me drawing that while I was drawing it, and then

543
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: he he wanted to buy it. So once his client

544
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: base saw the drawing, they kind of I've got a

545
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: little niche down there in that area. The people that

546
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: have dogs from that kind of asked me to do

547
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: portraits of their dogs or drawing to their dogs. But

548
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: how is it different to draw a gun dog than

549
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: normal dog? Um, I guess it's really not. But like

550
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: there's you know, action shots or people have more photographs

551
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: taken of gun dogs. They'll have a toten a bird

552
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: to a dog or whatever. Yeah, better professional photos of

553
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, people are more into that. I guess, like

554
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: more people take pride in their gun dogs. They're just

555
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: like I don't get any you know. And they tend

556
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: to be a nostalgic lot. Oh yeah, bird dog hunters

557
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: are nostalgic, and they tend to be a steats. They

558
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: have like an aesthetic sensibility. They're passionate about their animals,

559
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So it's it's fun to do, you know.

560
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: I've kind of let got feedback. It's kind of a

561
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: nice little keepsake for them forever. So I bet you

562
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: there's a healthy portion of New Jersey cat ladies that

563
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: would like to have that market some money. She used

564
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: to paint dog porches for people, and they sure as

565
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: hell weren't um hunting dogs. But but yeah, you gotta specialize, man,

566
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: you gotta get no one within a certain circle this

567
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't know who knows that could be the only

568
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: gun dog painter I know. And you put it all

569
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: up on Instagram. Yeah, and it's it's colored pencil, by

570
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: the way, what I keep saying, pain Yeah, Yeah, that's

571
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: showed us some of your work and it's amazing. It's awesome.

572
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: Go check it out on Instagram. Um, as long as

573
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: we got sidetracked by then we have Chris gil Ridge

574
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: Pounder here cameraman, and then in Seth Morris is with

575
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: us working for us also for his first time. Awesome trip.

576
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: You liked it. You can do bad jobs. All of

577
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: these guys crossed three. You bought three kinds of cookies

578
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: and they all missed the mark. I tried. I couldn't

579
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: make it. He couldn't make anybody happy, could you. He

580
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: almost won with the oreos, but double stuff. You always

581
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: think that would be impossible to go and buy three

582
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: types of cookies, bring him back to a group of

583
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: hungry guys and have them all turned their nose and up.

584
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: I took a bite and threw it out. I couldn't.

585
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I could not stomach the one. The like white that

586
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: anyone that wants to do a grocery store, any American

587
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: goes into a grocery store and here's all the cookies

588
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: in the world laid out in front of him. Okay,

589
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: wholes in America, and he's like white chocolate in the world.

590
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: Does that man, it's one of my favorite cookies. Man,

591
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: I like them. Um, well, yeah, no, I want to

592
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: make and do may do they do? Well? Then you

593
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned about how you would love a sleeve oreos.

594
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: You're like, I could pound a sleeveal oreos right now

595
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: that I'm joking because I like double stuffers. Okay, well

596
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: that's good double stuff. Honestly, it was the rest of

597
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: us that they were scraping the filling, although I did

598
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: eat probably close to a whole row over the course

599
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: of like a day. Yeah, paro about sugar. Interesting about

600
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the dull stuff is it's only one F on this stuff.

601
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: It's not it's not double stuff with one f. Yeah. Yeah.

602
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: The comedian Mitch Edburg you taught about how you had

603
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: a girlfriend Lynn, who spelled it with one end, and

604
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 1: then later he had another girlfriend named Lynn who spelled

605
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: it with two ends. But she could always tell if

606
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: he said the wrong Lynn because he would go as

607
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: long as long and so he get trouble. You get

608
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: in trouble for it. Uh, what was it like? What

609
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: was the actual first moment when we um Let me

610
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: ask you this, so we go down and go This

611
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: is a question for Jannest because Jannest is actually the

612
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: one I'm the one hunting about, not the one hunting.

613
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm the trigger man because Johannest is the one who's calling,

614
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: which is the hard part. Like any dipship can shoot something,

615
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: but not anybody can call one in. Right, that's the

616
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: hard part, absolutely, absolutely. There are other hard parts for

617
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: this hunt. Yeah, the hiking rounds hard. Figuring out where

618
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: they are doesn't if you're calling it good at calling,

619
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: but you're not in his own with elk, that doesn't

620
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: even much good. Yeah, there's components to it, right, There's like,

621
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of components to it. There's there's being

622
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: like in this particular spot, they're sort of finding them,

623
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: which you can. Anybody with a set of ears and

624
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: a pair of binoculars is gonna like find within Yeah,

625
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: in two in forty eight hours of poking around, you

626
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: would know where somebody you will find elk, but you

627
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: will not be happy about where you found them because

628
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: in this unit everything is below you because the way

629
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: the land access works, it's like, imagine this, Basically you're

630
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: hunting the entirety of a drainage, right, so you have

631
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: the unit is kind of drawn around a drainage where

632
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: you have the old ridgeline that forms the head of

633
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: all the tributaries, and you're the only access points are

634
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: up high. Even the lower access points aren't really lower

635
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: because you still have the canyon to drop down into.

636
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: So anytime you look at it elk from a from

637
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: a road, you're looking down to the point where I

638
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: think some people find that it's just is impractical that

639
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 1: you would pursue them. Yeah, one to two thousand feet

640
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: below an elevation game and drop because you have to

641
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: then move several hundred pounds of ship back up out

642
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: of you have to then pack several hundred pounds of

643
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: the stuff. But if you're successful, but even just dragging

644
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: your own butt up out of that hill after an

645
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: unsuccessful hunt, I think it's real old, but it's front

646
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: of mind. I think it should be front of mine.

647
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: Like one, just going down there and coming back out

648
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: is hard. It's very hard country to traveling. But I

649
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: think for everyone who's hunting elk, you also have this

650
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: idea that you gotta carry this thing back up, and

651
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: so you're like, man, I'm already miserable. What would I

652
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: possibly do in a situation where you know, and It

653
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: might be that that you just can't hunt it, like

654
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: by yourself in that area. The MOS's elk are just

655
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: simply out of your reach. If you're hunting by yourself

656
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: some places and like, depending on where they're at, it's

657
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: almost irresponsible to try to take one by yourself. There

658
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: is a packer that works that unit. Meet a guy

659
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: with mules, you know that that said he can get

660
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: anywhere in that unit? But has that he said? Yeah, yeah,

661
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: I talked to him later. But even then when we

662
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: called him, he wouldn't have been able to help us

663
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: pack until the next day. He would have to hang

664
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: the meat in the shade, which may or may not

665
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: have kept it cool enough. And is that always his story?

666
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Or sometimes can he if he's in the unit? I mean,

667
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: there's only fourteen people hunting, you know how many people

668
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: are are actually gonna call him? So this is a

669
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: mule packer who runs like a little little side business

670
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: just packing. Yeah, I got and I got his name

671
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: through the outfitter that I chatted with. What's cool is

672
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: the outfitter too? We should talk about how we should

673
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: name the outfitter because he was cool enough to give

674
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: us a ton of intel man Yeah, it was bo

675
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: Olsen of Wilderness Adventures. He gave us very accurate Willerness expeditions. Sorry. Yeah,

676
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: he didn't have any clients who were hunting that unit

677
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: that year and gave us very accurate information about the

678
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: unit because he can do it because like he knows,

679
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be back. It's too hard to draw

680
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: the tag. And he got sheep hunters in there too. Yeah,

681
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: we saw a nice ram. I was surprised we didn't

682
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: see more sheep. A lot of beds, a lot of droppings,

683
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of beds, a lot of tracks, thinking we running

684
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: into more. We're really looking for him, that's true, but

685
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: we were looking a lot, yeah, but not looking looking.

686
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: We were looking looking for big tan sides. Yeah, when

687
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: you're looking for elk, it's like a low touch look.

688
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: It's not like looking for mule deer or CU's deer

689
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: like you know, glass and for big horns. You actually

690
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: gotta look look. It's kind of like you can just

691
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: kind of go like, oh, pretty much tight, it's not

692
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: an elk on that hillside in that there's not like

693
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: some six hundred pound buckskin colored things standing in there,

694
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, going um, But yeah, I feel like, if

695
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: you had spent more time looking, you might have found more.

696
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: But then we had a lot of eyeballs out there

697
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: with a lot of binoculars. So one ram but a big, nice,

698
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: beautiful It was a beautiful him. Now you honest from

699
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: a caller's perspective, from an ELK callers perspective, why were

700
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: you not interested in? Why could I not excite you

701
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: in the idea of going and trying to work that

702
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: bull who wasn't bugling because you're in it for the bugle? Yeah? Um, well,

703
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: you have a Canadian shirt up. It's a stone Glacier

704
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: T shirt that has the didn't give you an American

705
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: Median maple leaf on it. You know, I meant to

706
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: ask him why they made it. Maybe you know the

707
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: story behind Canadian outfitters and cheat hunters at their packs.

708
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: The guy that wrote in about the full stadium Canadian.

709
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. I've got nothing wrong, nothing

710
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: against Canada. I don't have anything against those fellers either.

711
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: Got a lot of friends out there, and uh, I

712
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: just you know Bobby as being a little more American

713
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: than that. But that's cool. It's like a little bit

714
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: doing like diplomacy right now. So there's a bull you

715
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: don't want to and I can't get you interested in

716
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: looking trying to work them, trying to go around and

717
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: work him right. So a couple of things that I

718
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: didn't really like about it. There was a road like

719
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: tuner yards above him, which made it intriguing, yeah, because

720
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: you could easily get within tuner yards. About what made

721
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: it intriguing to me was that he was a hiding

722
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: in plain site. He was a bull who was hiding

723
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: plain site, which interested in him. Yeah, because if you

724
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: drove by on the road, it was so steep below

725
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: the road that you couldn't see him. But dude, all

726
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: day long, hunters passed within a hundred fifty yards. Because

727
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: I shot away point where I thought he was, and

728
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: then shot away point and then measured up to the road.

729
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: He's one fifty yards and not forty five minutes would

730
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: go by when you know, just watching hunters go back

731
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth, and here's that bull is

732
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: living out his deal. And they could They could have

733
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: because it was so steep, you could have thrown a

734
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: rock off the road bed and hit that bull. But

735
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: you'd have to have one of the fourteen tags to

736
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: begin with. Just something about that bull I liked. I

737
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: liked everything about his little style. And he had to

738
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: hike down into that drainage and up the other side

739
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: to glass him up. Yeah, he just had well because

740
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: we glassed him up off the trail on the first

741
00:43:54,120 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: day Lake Lake Ridge Trail. Anyways, the hillside he was

742
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: on was steep as could beat. Did you ever could

743
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: uh real quick? Did I ever send you that stuff

744
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: of that buck in Pennsylvania that was wearing a radio collar.

745
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: And what that buck would do when hunting season came,

746
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yah yah, hich No, he would hide on

747
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: the side of the highway. Yeah, ditch. This buck roamed

748
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: all over Hell all the time gun season would open.

749
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: And he goes set up shop about fifty yards off

750
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: a highway and right underneath the deer jumping sign, hiding

751
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: in plain sight. And then uh Rick French told us

752
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: about a place there's like a saddle, and he was

753
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: taught about his whole life. They've been shooting elk in

754
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: this area and there's a spot where they watch. He's

755
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: out going bed and they watched and they go in

756
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: bed on a four wheeler trail and lay seventy five

757
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: yards from a quad Runner trail and just didn't watch

758
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: quads drive by hiding in plain site. But that happens

759
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot. I was talking to my buddy Jimmy Miller

760
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: this morning, who's coming up to visit me next week,

761
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: and he was saying he's been out like the last

762
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: two or three week weekends hunt was bow in Colorado,

763
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: and every single animal he's seen, he's seemed like two

764
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: or three bull elk, half dozen cows, a couple of bears,

765
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: some moose. Everything's been off from near the road. As

766
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: soon as he goes into the woods, he seens zero.

767
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: They're learning more and more dudes are like willing to

768
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: go farther to hunt. All the hardcore dudes that are

769
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: actually gonna kill something or in the woods, and then

770
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: the guys that are just driving buying four wheelers, you

771
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: ain't gotta worry about them. I guess yeah. They gotta

772
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: figured out like they're gonna if I go deep in

773
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: the woods, suns bitches is gonna kill me. I'd rather

774
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: be out here with these guys playing lightweight ball. But

775
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: you know what, the whole this whole idea of roads

776
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: and then being away from the road, being deep in

777
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: the woods that's only a thing that we've made up

778
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: in our own heads. The deer now might not look

779
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: at it that way. Yes, I think they look that

780
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: there's different types of disturbance, And I think that the

781
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: sound of all day long going by they probably don't

782
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: even like, I'm sure it registers him. They don't associate

783
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: it with trouble. Oh I've seen him associate it. That

784
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: bull doesn't, So tell me why you didn't want to

785
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: work him. So he's on like a really steep hill side,

786
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: So I figured like getting into because it's not like

787
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna stand on the road and start calling, right

788
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: because I doubt that bull is gonna be like, oh yeah,

789
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: that's probably a cow on the road. I go and

790
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: see what she's up to. You think the bull is

791
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna be like no, no, no, and on that phone

792
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: for that super steep So just like being like trying

793
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: to do a setup setting up on a super steep hillside,

794
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: it's just like you don't even you can't find a

795
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: place to stand. You might start descending that hill and

796
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: slide down into him. It was that kind of hey

797
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: you watch out, um. Nothing was he had two cows

798
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: and calm bulls away from cows can be a tough deal,

799
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: and we knew that there weren't a lot of cows

800
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: in this unit. We talked to some hunters that thought

801
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: they had seen bulls, and it had seen half that

802
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: in cows. That was the weirdest thing I've ever seen,

803
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: is um, I've never seen it where you're where there's

804
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: bulls running like groups of bulls hanging out and there's

805
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: no cows. Mhm. That was a beautiful thing, just like

806
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: just every elk hunter's dream. Yeah, it's like you get

807
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: to where you see in elk. You just the assumption

808
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: was it was a bull. You're like, oh my god,

809
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: a cow if you saw one, I have a question.

810
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: So like for the new hunter's perspective, is this yeah

811
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: really yeah, not a lot of elk experience. Is this

812
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: like peak rut? Definitely in the thick of it, in

813
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: the thick of it. For the story, they are like

814
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: very eager about going towards the sound of cow elk.

815
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: Yeah too, Steep for you too, Steep, he's got a cow.

816
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: He's not bugling watching him. He was he just like

817
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: was sitting there feeding with his cow, with two cows.

818
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: And so you figar with the word milk toast. Yeah,

819
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: he was that. I don't know the definition people see.

820
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: Here's the deal man, It's like it's spelled different than

821
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: milk toast. Milk toast is is like a spelled like que.

822
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: I believe it's spelled like m I l q u

823
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: e means lame and different, timid or submissive. Yeah, it's

824
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: a very milk toast bowl. What's the spelling, Johnie, like

825
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: m I l q u e toast. But my whole

826
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: life I thought it was milk. Like if you guys

827
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: did a blandass meal and toast and soaking milk, R're like, dude,

828
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: I don't want that. Yeah. My father other his term

829
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: for milk toast was a term because he's from Italian ancestry,

830
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: was raised by Sicilian immigrants. He's raised by his grandfather. Um,

831
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: my father had several things that he would use terms

832
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: he would use for people he didn't like, and they

833
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: were they described different types of people. One of them

834
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: was a horse's ass. Okay, that's like a very particular

835
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: type of person he didn't like. I though it was

836
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: a putts, which sounds Yiddish, and that was like another

837
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: type of person he didn't like. But definitely not a

838
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: horse's ask The guy's a putts. Another term for a

839
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: person he didn't like. It's being like a lacking a

840
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: little coordination. For Putts, that was like grumpy or old men. Yeah,

841
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: horse's ass would be like a blow hard, Okay, Putts

842
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: would be someone who messes everything up like a like

843
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: a person just can't incompetence. Then there was a term

844
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: a mingulu morta, which I've talked to people speak Italian,

845
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: and basically he was saying a person who has non

846
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: functioning sexual organs dead more to being dead meanular being

847
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: a and I'm not saying the word right but me

848
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's basically yeah, so the bull is

849
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: like a meingula more to bull. Well that or he's

850
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: just being super super slick, like he had his two cows,

851
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: he had his little hidy spot. He's pretty happy. He's

852
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's got anything going for him. And he's saying, yeah,

853
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: do you ever find that there's a bull that uh,

854
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: that gets cows and shuts up? Oh? Yeah, because he's like,

855
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: why would I why in the world would I be

856
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: like advertising my situation? But you know he still has

857
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: to bugle right to the cow. Like there's the bugle

858
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: between the cow and and him that goes on, not

859
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: just between him and another bull. Right. I think I

860
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: read once that when she says no, he has to

861
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: bugle as like a sign of like like some sort

862
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: of respect type deal will come come. That's in human terms,

863
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: but as in like when it's like he's say no problem, yeah,

864
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: like it's it's cool, I understand, we'll try again ten

865
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: minutes or tomorrow, maybe five. But I've seen I've seen

866
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: it happen a lot. There's like the the you know,

867
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: the hurting or whatever you want to call it that

868
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: he's doing, tending, tending, pushing him around, and then it's

869
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: sort of like it gets close, it doesn't happen, and

870
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: they sort of stopped. He always bugles, but I've seeing

871
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: him bugle so softly that I could see him bugling,

872
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: but I couldn't hear it. Two yards. I could see

873
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: him go into the whole posture, stick his neck out, curls,

874
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, put his head up, see the steam come

875
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: out of his mouth right after he chased the cow,

876
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: and I couldn't hear him. I think that was why

877
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: I think he was just like yeah, and he had

878
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of cows. This one that I saw do this.

879
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: He's just staying chill about it. Yeah, so you so

880
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: you couldn't you couldn't work that bull. Maybe maybe now.

881
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like it was a high high odds,

882
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't worth it from what it was

883
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: gonna take us where we were and was gonna take

884
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: us to a bore out of this drainage that we

885
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: were in to go back up and out and put it,

886
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, put a half day effort just in getting

887
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: into position. I just didn't feel like it was high

888
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: enough odds that warranted that effort that we should just

889
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: keep hiking down the trail and go into some country

890
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: we hadn't been into and strike up another one. Yeah,

891
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: got you. Um, there's so much to explain down in

892
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: there around like how it like what our thought processes were,

893
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: because there's too many there's like two many options at

894
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: a point in time, you know, when you're down in

895
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: that area right at that point in time. Yeah, just yeah,

896
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: I just wander around like you get frustrated quick and

897
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: and um then you get like that wolf stuff stuck

898
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: in your head. M hm. No, because we were thinking

899
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: We're like, you know, one of the best units in

900
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: the state, and all of a sudden it's been like

901
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 1: twelve hours, haven't heard a bugle, twenty four hours, haven't

902
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: heard of bugle. Well, when we were in that area,

903
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: we didn't know about the wolf thing yet, right, No, Oh,

904
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: we'd heard him ripping though, Yeah, we had heard him ripping,

905
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: but we didn't know that they that. We didn't get

906
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: the report later that he had been in there, had

907
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: heard some elk and shut him down. Yeah, because another

908
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: hunter later was saying that man, they were going they

909
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: were going good in there, and then when the wolves

910
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: came through, they shut up. And the guide that Janice

911
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: talked to also said that the year before things were ripping,

912
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: meaning bowls are bugling, pack of wolves came through raising

913
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: hell and that it's shut down for three or four days.

914
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: Everybody just gets quiet. Seth. Saw a mountline I did,

915
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: sitting sitting on its ass. Yeah, looking over the mule

916
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: of your spot. That was cool. Yeah, they're cool to see.

917
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: You don't see that too often, No, And I don't

918
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: view them as competition as much. You really should, yeah,

919
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: you really should. Oh, yeah, you think elkill shut up

920
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: from them? I don't know, but they kill a lot

921
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: more elk the wolves do, not per one. But I

922
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: mean like there's just there's just so much more widely distributed.

923
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean they're everywhere, right Like anywhere that has an

924
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: elk has a mountline. Well, it's not the Eastern States,

925
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: the Western States. Every elk is going to run into

926
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: a mountainline. You know. Um you when I was getting

927
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: frustrated by the lack of beagles and you, Janice felt that, um,

928
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: you felt that that it was just we weren't in

929
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: the rut zone. Yeah, we were just in the wrong spot.

930
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't that they weren't doing It's just we weren't

931
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: in the place that they were doing it. Mhm. And

932
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: we slowly just made a big long loop and ended up,

933
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, on the other side of the giant drainage

934
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: that you described earlier, where back to where Dave Tom

935
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Bill will We're all working an infinite quantity of bulls

936
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: out of a bull in a place where the outfit

937
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: that we talked you said that you could just that

938
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: you'd find a bull in every canyon. Well he actually

939
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: recommended that we spend our whole week I was in

940
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: there and then almost kind of accidentally called in the bull. Yeah,

941
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: I was calling a little bit just to do some locating,

942
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: to kind of take a sense as of what was

943
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: out there. And uh, we had a bad win for

944
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: this scenario. It's the wind was dropping down the hill

945
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: from the morning thermals. The air was cool, it was

946
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: dropping down the hill and I looked down below me

947
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: in a couple hundred yards away, here comes a satellite

948
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: six point. And you always know you're in a good

949
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: unit when like a like a nice six is a

950
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 1: satellite and he's coming in silent, and the satellite bull

951
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: being a bull, it's like not a dominant figure in

952
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: the herd. He's just not big enough the man because

953
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: later there was a bull just crank him in that

954
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: same zone. I don't know, I just I just I

955
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: just feel like because he was coming in, coming in quiet,

956
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: coming in, Yeah, he was a sneaky peat. He's like

957
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: a you know, a nice six point bull that you

958
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: know I shoot any day. Um. That's thing. This unit

959
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: has a lot. This unit is kind of we now know,

960
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: is known for bulls that are like seven by seven

961
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: and seven by eight, some crazy bulls. Yeah, I bet

962
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: you we saw them three or five seven by seven.

963
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: So this bull comes just creeping in and then crept

964
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: out seth some creep away wind. Yeah, definitely caught wind.

965
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: So they come in to investigate, and then they quietly

966
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: without announcing their presence, saying themselves, there's five dudes there.

967
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm leaving three smells like five we're doing We're doing

968
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: zero cent control, We're just doing wind. Yeah, there's no

969
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: point at that. What would like what would you even do?

970
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: A wide variety of things. There's masking sense, okay, there's

971
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: like odors that you could put on yourself too. I'm

972
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: not saying these things work. These things that exist there

973
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: are there's a line of clothing. Yeah, it's been kind

974
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: of scientifically discredited, but some people remain firm believers in

975
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: a line of clothing that has a filtration carbon filtration

976
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: system built into it that sort of scrubs your odor

977
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: emanating from your body. I think the problem with that

978
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: is most of the older emanating from your body is

979
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: being exhaled mm hmm, So they make a face mask

980
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: to help filter your exhale. Has that really been proven

981
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: that most of the others actually just coming from your breath?

982
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: I should say most, but just but but but you

983
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: can wear clothes, but you're still breathing out. Yeah. I

984
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't say most, but a lot of older you're exhaling

985
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: a lot of I remember like there was like a

986
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: hunters sent concealment gum came around. My dad used the

987
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: hunt with the guy that would during honey season eat

988
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot of carrots. He tried to be food. I

989
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: remember hearing the old nuts one time say that all

990
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: he drank was apple juice, so that way when he

991
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: would pee during hunting season, just smell like apples um. Yeah,

992
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: but then you got like Doug buck Man during yeah, big. Yeah.

993
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: There's also I think that Cabella's made for Bill Winky,

994
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: a full gortex suit that had rubber gaskets ankles, wrists

995
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: and neck and then maybe even a hood. That sounds

996
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: like a good thing to hike up down just wear

997
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, So it wouldn't work for what we

998
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: did for hunting. You just have it like just the

999
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: pants on top hanging down. You hike into your stands,

1000
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: slowly set up, get in there and put the top on,

1001
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: seal it all off. Some people out West that I

1002
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: know do this and they don't think that it completely

1003
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: breaks down, you know, keep you sent free. But they

1004
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: look at it as in buying you time before an

1005
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: animal might spook from scent and buying you distance that

1006
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: you can be from an animal before they sent you.

1007
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: But they will have a um plastic toe that has

1008
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: completely that has closed, and they probably did some special

1009
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: sort of washing too to eliminate all possible set no

1010
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: perfumes and dies and whatnot in there. Probably has pine

1011
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: boughs in there and some dirt and leaves and whatnot.

1012
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: But they have a separate tupperwear for every day of

1013
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: the hunt, and it includes everything from underwear, shoes, socks,

1014
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: top bottoms, bass layers, everything. Yeah, every day you swap

1015
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: out every day. Every day you just yeah, and you

1016
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: do the best you can by taking some sort of

1017
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: some version of a shower and then you put on

1018
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: those fresh clothes so you're not walking around and clothes

1019
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: like because this it was a hot hunt this week

1020
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: and we were we were going through I felt like

1021
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: a sweat cycle twice a day. Uh okay, archery hunting

1022
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: white tails, like what my dad did, what we did

1023
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: growing up is you kept your hunting clothes outside hanging

1024
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: up in the breeze. Before you went out hunting, you

1025
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: would shower. We wouldn't use special soap. They make a

1026
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 1: lot of soaps and no deal with no perfumes. There's

1027
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: nothing I get more nostalgic about. Sorry to interrupt, but

1028
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: is that green? Is it sent away soapy? Like the

1029
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: lines all surfaces and Dug Durn's bathroom. But I feel

1030
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: like of the white tail woods like hunting camps. It's

1031
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: like there's like ten of those bottles in various levels

1032
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: of fullness in the shower, right, it's like that green liquid.

1033
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: It's meant for your hair for everything. Steve Kendra shower,

1034
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah stuff and when yeah, when I like get in

1035
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: a shower and see that stuff, like, it's just a

1036
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: flood of memories of like yeah, because that's what we did.

1037
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: Exact products. Yeah, green gels soap, so you would keep

1038
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: your clothes hanging up in the breeze, take a shower

1039
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: with preferably with non perfumed soap. Put where rubber boots

1040
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: that you clean. You don't go and buy gas with

1041
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: these boots on, right, You put them on when you're

1042
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: ready to walk to your stand. You don't go to

1043
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: the gas station and get on nasturals. You don't wear

1044
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: them in your car. You don't even drive to your

1045
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: hunting spot in these clothes. You get to your hunting spot,

1046
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: you stripped down, You put your clothes on you've been

1047
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: storing in a separate container, and you walk a very

1048
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: slowly so as to not break a sweat, getting your

1049
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: tree stand, put on your outer layers, and the whole being.

1050
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: Of course, you're not gonna like eliminate your scent, but

1051
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: like to buy you a few minutes. When I used

1052
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: to trap fox um, which are difficult to catch, I

1053
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: would do I would have a I would have totes

1054
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: that would fill with straw, and I would keep my

1055
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: clothes and boot and all my other equipment in totals

1056
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: filled with straw, and then would use rubber gloves that

1057
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: you would wash fastidiously all the time, and then keep

1058
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: your and then only wear those boots on natural ground

1059
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: in order to try to eliminate some of the scent

1060
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: you were leaving behind when you're trying to catch fox.

1061
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. But here, like a basic

1062
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: here's what we could have done. Like, here's the basic

1063
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: thing you do. You least bring some soap and some

1064
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: body powder, and every time you hit a creek, you

1065
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: try to scrub up a little bit, and a lot

1066
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: of guys it's not too much either. And we weren't

1067
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: doing this because we're just working the wind. And we

1068
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: were to a place that had like steep slopes and

1069
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: a lot of thermals. So it's like, if you're willing

1070
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: to work thermals, then we did work them very successfully. Um,

1071
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: if you're willing to like do that, you can get

1072
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: away with this. But if you're in an area that's

1073
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: like just famously for swirled winds and stuff, and I

1074
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: think you had to do it, and you were really

1075
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: just gonna make the sacrifice, at least have your sort

1076
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: of like daytime hill climb and close and you might

1077
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: keep in your backpack in a bag in your backpack

1078
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: your actual stock and clothes. And as part of your deal,

1079
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 1: when you're getting ready for the evening hunt or getting

1080
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: ready for the morning hunt, you wash up, put some

1081
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: body powder on. Um, people just take a baking bacon soda,

1082
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: put in a spray bottle, put some water and bacon soda,

1083
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: scrub up, put your clean version of clothes on, and

1084
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,479
Speaker 1: try to go about your business. But we just played wind.

1085
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: The question came up while we were there if the

1086
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: smoke was gonna have any effect on scent too, because

1087
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: we were in a smoky area. It was smoking enough

1088
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: for reals annoying and you got black, black gunk coming

1089
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: out of your nose. I wonder if it affects the elks.

1090
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: Has to help. It cannot hurt. There's no way it hurts.

1091
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: Does it cover your scent? Has to There's no way

1092
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: that they're gonna smell you better amid all the confusion

1093
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: of a bunch of smoke in the air. It's not

1094
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna like enhance their ability to to detect smell. And

1095
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: then the other question was was that activity in that

1096
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: area moving the elk out of wherever the controlled burns

1097
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: were in closer to where we were. I don't know

1098
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: about closer, but I would say that it displaced and

1099
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: probably concentrated elk into areas of low activity. And I

1100
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: think the fact that all those bugles are coming from

1101
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: the bot tend to be coming from the bottoms of

1102
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: those canyons is not accidental. I think that the gradual

1103
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: activity of humans being around, pressuring and pressuring them is

1104
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: has to have the effect of pushing them into places

1105
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: where they're just not getting messed with as much. If

1106
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: you left with their own devices, they'd probably higher up

1107
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: on the slopes. I think about that hard to say

1108
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: more water in the bottom, that's true. Um, So we

1109
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: keep on hunting. We eventually and this is kind of

1110
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: how stuff goes. Have all kinds of adventures. See a

1111
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: black bear, see a big horn, see some mule deer,

1112
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: have a bunch of adventures. And there's a there's a spot,

1113
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 1: there's a there's a place we want to go hike.

1114
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: We want to like access area of our unit where

1115
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: the only access point is sort of blocked by a big,

1116
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: very elaborate wall tent set up. Like these guys are

1117
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: practicing like siege warfare man. They got like a camp.

1118
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys like got splitting malls and stuff.

1119
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: They're splitting firewood. I mean they're camped out archery target, backstop, trailers, generators,

1120
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: pots and pants hanging everywhere. They did two gallon drums.

1121
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what was in them for drinking water.

1122
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: I have no clue. Barrels of presumably water and maybe

1123
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: fuel or maybe just food storage for bears. Could be camping.

1124
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: And I want to say, is an extraordinary card on

1125
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: a one to ten. On a one to ten, that's

1126
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: nine or ten. Yeah, they were dialed. They had the

1127
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: wall ten and then like one of those like easy

1128
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: up canopies as like a porch. Yeah, you start running

1129
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: a tarp over the whole thing, big setup. They've been

1130
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: there sixteen days, seventeen seventeen days, um, And I'm uncomfortable

1131
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: with uh going and parking right next to their camp

1132
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: to hike in because because this comes from being that

1133
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: we're filming, I'm really I try to be sensitive of

1134
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: like people go into the wood. They're going to the

1135
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: mountains to have peace and quiet and and and enjoy

1136
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: a level of anonymity presumably, And so I'm always a

1137
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: little bit leery about like rolling up on people with

1138
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: five guys carrying cameras and just you know, I'll try

1139
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: to be sensitive to that because I wouldn't really love

1140
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: that a whole bunch if that happened to me. So

1141
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: I want to park elsewhere and then kind of like

1142
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: slip through their camp. Um park elsewhere and slipped through

1143
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: their camp real quiet, and go down below and start

1144
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: hunting right below their camp. But we have the show,

1145
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: but just a minute, they're rolling in with a bull

1146
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: like they're just like we like arrived the camp with

1147
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: the like Honestly these second that the truck pulls in

1148
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: with the dead bulls, school and meat in the back

1149
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: of the truck. And this is the funny thing about

1150
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: especialty unit like this too, like a hard to draw

1151
01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: unit because no one has any ownership. No one has

1152
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: any sense of ownership over like their spot. You're not

1153
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: coming back or like they said, it will be six

1154
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: years and you have a whole new crop about that

1155
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: will be working. So he so it's not like a

1156
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: most place where no one's gonna tell you anything, you know,

1157
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: like hey, where'd you get that limited mallards right there?

1158
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: Does just say anything to you about it? Like I

1159
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: know now, not even to ask obviously, I'll be like, hey,

1160
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: what mountain range were you in or what like river

1161
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: were you hunting? But but this guy, he had it

1162
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: took him six points, so he had six unsuccessful application

1163
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: years drew the unit and he just spills the beans

1164
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: because who cares. Someone told him about it. And it's

1165
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: this little corner of the unit where um, this little

1166
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: corner of the unit where you're kind of on National

1167
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: forest land, but boxed up against some private stuff. And

1168
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: he just ribes an area where there's seven or eight bulls,

1169
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 1: um that they were like butcher and a bowl and

1170
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: there's more bulls bugle in a hundred yards away. Mayhem

1171
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: and craziness. Yeah, it sounded good. And we go down

1172
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: into this area and it was like it was sort

1173
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: of the elk hunting. It was the elk hunting that

1174
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: you always dreamed that you would experience but somehow never

1175
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: get to experience. But there it was. We're gonna skip

1176
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: forward to there. We've been on a long time and

1177
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: I want to spend time on on No, I understand,

1178
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: I want to make surely you're already jumping ahead of that, Yeah,

1179
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: because I want to spend particularly time on the when

1180
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the one we got, but the setup

1181
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: where you called in a a scar attering of bulls

1182
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: into a location. Right, We go down in this area

1183
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: and there's some not a lot going on with some

1184
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: bulls ripping vegle in here and there. It's like started

1185
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: in a slow morning, almost nothing. We heard a couple

1186
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: of descent vehicles. We kind of get to the edge

1187
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: of the private property. It sounds like there's one on

1188
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: the private then maybe a different bulls, you know, vehicles,

1189
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's not a big rough ball

1190
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: like we were expecting, like we've been told about. But

1191
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: eventually we get where like, oh, there's a few bulls

1192
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: going like later in the morning, and it's mixed. It's

1193
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: like half open grassland and half dense timber. Very they're

1194
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: pretty steep area and we're kind of like halfway between

1195
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: the top land, like halfway between the ridge tops and

1196
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: half between the bottoms. And you can hear bulls enough

1197
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: for you couldn't even really tell who was what right,

1198
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: just as like a bunch of bulls going off and

1199
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: you start calling, walk through how that went, what you

1200
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: were doing? Well. First we got to a spot that

1201
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: seemed like a good spot for a setup. And I

1202
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: usually look for most importantly is I like to have

1203
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: a break in the terrain that I can hide behind.

1204
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: That was gonna if the bull wants to come and

1205
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: see what's making the noise, he's gonna have to come

1206
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: and look over that breaking the train, whether that's like

1207
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: a thick strip of vegetation, he's gonna come look through,

1208
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: or most often times in the mountains, it's going to

1209
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: be some sort of a ridge or like a horizon

1210
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: that you could be two hundred yards away from it,

1211
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: you could be twenty yards away from it. But if

1212
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: you want to see over it, you're gonna have to

1213
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: come right to the edge. Yeah. Picture of the worst

1214
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: case scenario would be that you're in a room and

1215
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: there's a loud noise of a cow and a bull

1216
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: comes into the room and he's like very quickly able

1217
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: to say that there is definitely not a cow in

1218
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: this room. That would be a bad situation. The best

1219
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: situation is he'd be like, where's she hiding? There's so

1220
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: many places she could be, yeah, or yeah, you're forced

1221
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: him to come to the doorway, yeah, to be able

1222
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 1: to look into that room he's coming and walk around

1223
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, no, just stick his head through the

1224
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: door at that point. At that point, if we've done

1225
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: everything right, you ought to be able to get a

1226
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: shot as long as he's not you know, facing some

1227
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: wonky direction, you know. But if he comes in there

1228
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 1: to look inside the room and go what's going on

1229
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: in here? Then that should be like the point of

1230
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: the shop. Yeah, And this was a knife edge was

1231
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: like he's in the hallway. He's not gonna come to

1232
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 1: the doorway. You're probably not getting a shot. And this

1233
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: is a this is a knife edge ridge. Yeah, it's

1234
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: like we're going we're walking down the ridge. It's kind

1235
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: of steep, but it drops off steeper to the left

1236
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: and to the right hill just sort of wraps around

1237
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: and he's bugling in this timber to our right that's

1238
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,560
Speaker 1: wrapping around. And yeah, so you pick a tree to

1239
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: set up in front of with Chris. I just I

1240
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: don't know, western hemlock or a dug fur maybe probably

1241
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: want Yeah, good spot for me, man, I got all

1242
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: the footage. Yeah, bad spot in two ways, but I

1243
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: won't explain why it's a bad spot until we get

1244
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: to the part where the bulls started coming. Okay, so

1245
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I just, um, I'm trying to think when

1246
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: I actually started out on the ridge, because like, until

1247
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: I feel like there's no reason for me to actually

1248
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: start hiding in that bedroom in air quotes until I

1249
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: know he's coming. Until then, I might as well stay

1250
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: kind of where I can see a lot and sort

1251
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: of be digesting the situation. And um, because I might

1252
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: see him a hundred yards away, I might see his

1253
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: antlers moving through the timber, and then I can adjust

1254
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: if I don't hear him down there or something. So

1255
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: I just kind of hide in plain sight, just kind

1256
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: of sitting around on calling and just seeing if we

1257
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: can get him worked up enough ntil he's moving our direction.

1258
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: The antlers on the elk, that's the point I want

1259
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: to bring up real quick. The antlers on the elk

1260
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: are extremely useful for hunting calling elk because you're always

1261
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: gonna see that bulb. Not always, there's a good chance

1262
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna see that bull before he sees you by

1263
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: seeing his antlers, yeah, because he's got these things sticking

1264
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: two three ft right, So when he's like rolling up

1265
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: over a hill, he can't see what's up ahead. But

1266
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it happens time and again where you

1267
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: get to glimpse him before he has a chance to

1268
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: glimpse you, and then take it, take the necessary action. Yeah. Yeah.

1269
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: So I just started with some light cow calling, which

1270
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: should be just a couple of mus here and there,

1271
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: and uh, he seemed pretty responsive, you know, being pretty

1272
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: good bugling right on top of it. Yeah, And then

1273
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't really mean that much, like you're not getting

1274
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: all excited at that point, Well, I'm not. I'll tell you.

1275
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: What makes me excited is what happens next. It's better

1276
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: better than not you no, no, no, no, you're right.

1277
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: But as we saw a night or two before this,

1278
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: you can make beaut you can make You can sit

1279
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: there and make bulls beugle for two hours, right, yeah,

1280
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: and you can be trying to read into what they're doing.

1281
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: But after a time you'd be like, that thing will

1282
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: not budge. So just getting them, just getting them the

1283
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: bugle doesn't mean much. What means something is all of

1284
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: a sudden it's quiet, and he rips again, and he

1285
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: is very definitely moved way in your direction. Then your

1286
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: heart rate goes, then your heart's in the back of

1287
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: your throat. So at that point i'll sort of I've

1288
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: fell off that ridge to the left metaphorically and got

1289
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: down there where I was in the bedroom. He was

1290
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: gonna have to come and he was gonna come out

1291
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: onto that spine and look down that hill to see,

1292
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: you know, the cow that he thought was down there.

1293
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I continue to call and us usually

1294
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: at some point, like if I don't feel like the

1295
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: cow calls are doing enough, I'll start to add in like, oh,

1296
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: another bull is showing up to be like, hey, dude,

1297
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: if you want to you know, if you want in

1298
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: on this party, you better get over here, because someone

1299
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: else just showed up. And so I'll do a couple

1300
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: of things to imitate that. One you can bugle, sound

1301
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: like a bull bugle and and sort of challenge the

1302
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: other bull. And then you can make a lot of

1303
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: loud noises like a bull is tending a cow, which

1304
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen in the wild, there they they

1305
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: chase them, and so they get run through bushes and

1306
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 1: they're cracking sticks, they're rolling rocks, especially on yeah, especially

1307
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: on steep hill sides. And so I'll start doing that

1308
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: to the point of working up a sweat. Yanni puts

1309
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 1: on put takes off his jacket, puts on gloves, grabs

1310
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: a big old log, and starts beating the snot out

1311
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: of the woods, hurdling rocks, kicking, jumping, banging. The beating

1312
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: the snot out of the woods is more like you're

1313
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: raking a tree. That's kind of what you're going after.

1314
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: When you start stomping and running and jumping through stuff,

1315
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: you're sort of like acting like to elk, which is

1316
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about now over a half a

1317
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: ton worth of animal probably running through the woods. I'm

1318
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: only two pounds. It's hard to replicate that, right. You

1319
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: have to do a lot more so. A lot of

1320
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: times I'll pick up like a ten or twenty foot

1321
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: log that then touches more bush as I'm moving through

1322
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 1: the woods, and I definitely get hurt doing it. But

1323
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: I think most people here, some of the people here

1324
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: where I think we're so blown away is by the situation.

1325
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: It's probably hard to even like grasp what all is

1326
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: going on. It's like seth and you can attest to that,

1327
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: and probably Lauren to that. When I would do that

1328
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: the very first time, the bull would go from like

1329
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: a pretty excited bugle to like his insides turning inside

1330
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: out or however you want to put that, like just

1331
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: like almost going from like a bugle whistle into more

1332
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: of like a blood curling Just I can't take that. Uh,

1333
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: talk about your epiphany, you're elk calling epiphany when people

1334
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: tell you to go in the woods and call three

1335
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: times for the whole day. Yeah. When I learned or

1336
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: was taught about calling out, it was all diaphragms. There

1337
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: was a couple of biting bowls probably on the market

1338
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: back then, and probably some external reads too. I just

1339
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: hadn't really gotten into it yet, but it was diaphragms,

1340
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: and everybody taught us like very soft, simple cow what

1341
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: I would call cow chirps. Just that, and go into

1342
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: a meadow in an hour before dark with the wind right,

1343
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: wait for the thermals, and make two or three of

1344
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: those chirps between the time you get there until you're

1345
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: about to leave. And that was it, because that's just

1346
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: how you called elk. Anything else was too much, too much,

1347
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 1: You're just gonna run him out of the woods and so.

1348
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: And it took me years, and you know, and of

1349
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: course reading books and watching primost the Truth about Bulls

1350
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: videos and stuff and being like, you know what, I'm

1351
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: gonna try some other stuff. And then I got good

1352
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: enough with the diret frame where I could go yeah,

1353
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: and then also a five point comes trotting over the

1354
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: hill and you go, well that kind of worked, you know. So,

1355
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: but it took three or four years too talk myself

1356
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: into trying to to have the boldness. It makes me uncomfortable,

1357
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: super fun to watch and film your honest going off

1358
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: like he's an elkin was. He had such enthusiasm throwing

1359
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: logs over rolling rocks down the hills that I wanted

1360
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: to join. And I'm holding the camera trying to keep

1361
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: the camera steady, but I'm like, I can probably help

1362
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 1: him out here. I want to kick a rock, actually

1363
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: got to throw rocks. Okay, Yanni. Here here's the way

1364
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: of expressing this. Yanni makes so much noise that at

1365
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: one point, jumping ahead, at one point a bull comes

1366
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: in between us and spooks and runs off down the hill.

1367
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: And it caught my attention, like, whoa, Oh that must

1368
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: be y Honest, I thought the same thing. I'm not happening.

1369
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: I heard that, and I was like, oh, back, and hey,

1370
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: what about the bull that was standing between us? That

1371
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: didn't even because you're so fixated on what was going

1372
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: down below us. I was like, wow, that really sounds

1373
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: like a damn elk running off right there. Yeah. So eventually,

1374
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, so there was he there was a six

1375
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: point bull. Yeah yeah. Eventually the idea that there's multiple

1376
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: bulls and two are getting closer. Yeah, but I think

1377
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: that the young five point is what broke. The six

1378
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: point satellite bull came in quiet. He didn't come in quiet.

1379
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: I watched him multiple times. There you go, But I

1380
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 1: want to talk about where I messed up. Okay, round

1381
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: this ridge I'm calling a knife edge ridge, but it's

1382
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: like a half bevel it's one sided bevel knife where

1383
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: it breaks away very steep and rocky to the from

1384
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 1: from if you're looking downhill, lookers left breaks away very

1385
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: steep and rocky into the rights as a gradual timbered roll.

1386
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: And the bulls are the main bull we're calling to,

1387
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: whose bugle in the most is off to the right.

1388
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: I set up from basically out in front of a tree,

1389
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: right on the knife edge ridge, thinking that he's gonna

1390
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: stick to his course and come up and I might

1391
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: get a broadside around him. I should have anticipated I

1392
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: should have not been on that knife edge ridge, because

1393
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: what when I'm happening to white is bulls came up

1394
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: and hit that and it's the perfect place to travel.

1395
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: It's just this nice clear They came up the ridge,

1396
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 1: beautiful clear descending ridge. Even later, damn bull cow bull

1397
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: cattle came up the same ridge. It's just like a

1398
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 1: natural travel corridor. And I didn't anticipate that. Stupidly, I

1399
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 1: didn't anticipate that, you know what, I bet this thing

1400
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: is gonna hit this ridge and take this ridge up,

1401
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: So that I'm sitting on the ridge looking down, expecting

1402
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: to get a shot off my right, and all of

1403
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:38,799
Speaker 1: a sudden, like without any announcement besides of some early bugling,

1404
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: here he comes like dead, like he's not stopping face

1405
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: to face. And there's one dead tree in front of

1406
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 1: me that was six seven yards close, very close. And

1407
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: the second his head gets behind that dead tree, I

1408
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: draw my bow and I like, what am I even

1409
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 1: gonna do? Unless he comes out broadside. He of course

1410
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: sees me drawing my bowl through the trees, and we

1411
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: just have a stare down through a tree that was intense, man,

1412
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: until I couldn't hold my bow back anymore. But a

1413
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: lot of times in that situation, man, it could have

1414
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: so easily gone the other way where he sees you up.

1415
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: But he still takes two or three steps it comes

1416
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: out from the tree, and instead of turning his whole body,

1417
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: he only turns his head and looks at you, and

1418
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, what was that? And all of a

1419
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: sudden he's just presenting you with like a perfect listen,

1420
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: this is all hindsight, because even when I had my

1421
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: bow back, I was I was expecting that he'll step

1422
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: out from behind the tree and he'll be turned broadside,

1423
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: thinking I might be leaving but looking at me. But

1424
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: he was so close that wouldn't have mattered. Mh. But

1425
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 1: that's now. He did. He spun, but he spins, and

1426
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: often here's another bowl coming up the same exact trail.

1427
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: So that was the five point. He did that first,

1428
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: and then the six point came in behind. And then

1429
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 1: there's a six point standard, and it's six point was

1430
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: much warier, never came into never came into range. The

1431
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: five point. It's so convinced that there's a cow. He's like, yes,

1432
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,560
Speaker 1: there's a man with a bow here too. Let me

1433
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: try a couple of different angles of approach, and he

1434
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: kept getting lucky and lucky. At one point, him and

1435
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: the six are both standing perfect wide open broadside at

1436
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: sixty seven yards, which I'm not gonna which is not

1437
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: a poke. I'm gonna attempt my bow um on a living,

1438
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: breathing creature. And then they're both staying there, staring the

1439
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: six leaves, and he's just gone. He goes off and

1440
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: starts biggling a hundred yards way again when he's done

1441
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: coming in. And meanwhile, this five point is just like

1442
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: probing trying to find a path in, and an unbellant

1443
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: to me eventually finds a path in and comes in

1444
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: between me and the honese. Yeah, I mean he's basically

1445
01:25:58,320 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: just on that knife. For it is just like I

1446
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: don't know, ten or fifteen yards behind you, ten yards

1447
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: from me, fifteen or twenty yards from Lauren, and he

1448
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: sits there and half acidly feeds and just look lifts

1449
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: up his head, looks, looks, looks, feeds a little bit,

1450
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: listen his head up, looks, looks, looks, looks. I had

1451
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: no ideal standing there, and the wind must have been

1452
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: blown to him. And that's what's crazy, is that even

1453
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: though like he's getting whiffs of man guarantee at this point,

1454
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: and he still stood there. For yeah, it seemed like

1455
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 1: a man. I mean footage is full frame bowl standing

1456
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: there kind of wondering what's going on, And we're so

1457
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: focused on what's going on below us, because there's still

1458
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: bulls ripping and wandering around below us, that I had

1459
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,680
Speaker 1: no idea that you just standing there. Even when he

1460
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: ran off, I was like oh yeah, this is making

1461
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: an elk running noise. I think one of you guys

1462
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: that figured it out and spin spun around that he

1463
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,759
Speaker 1: was standing there. I don't know there was some movement

1464
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 1: down below ever knewuntill I was told we have a

1465
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: little pow wow and talk about what all is going on? Um, Like,

1466
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: holy cow, I can't believe that happen so close and

1467
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 1: Allso there's another bull coming and one or a new

1468
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,799
Speaker 1: bull comes in, gets wind takes off the same bulls

1469
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: messing around. Meanwhile down below us there's all these other

1470
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: bulls still going off, and then it starts getting hot,

1471
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 1: and they settle into like a dark north face and slope,

1472
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: and it winds up that just for an hour plus

1473
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 1: probably you just hear two bowls calling. We're watching other

1474
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 1: damn bowls winding around, but two bulls just calling and

1475
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: calling and calling from his north face and slope. And

1476
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: north face is significant because it's not a sunny and

1477
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: so you have a lot of timber and thick understory,

1478
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: and they can in there and getting the shade and

1479
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: hang out for the day. But they're just calling and

1480
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: calling and calling and calling, and by now the days

1481
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: heated up, so now you have the uphill thermals, and

1482
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 1: we make a pretty roundabout plan to go on a

1483
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: round about fashion and circle around and get up wind

1484
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: of this bowl, this little timbered bowl where he's elk

1485
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: are hanging out and get in close enough to shake

1486
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 1: hands almost. I thought we'd be within three hundred, but

1487
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: I think we ended up being within a hundred when

1488
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: we set up. Yeah, he was close. No, I think

1489
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: we were about a hundred seventy yards seventy Where does

1490
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: that number come from? My GPS unit? When we trailed him,

1491
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: I think he came off that. I think he came

1492
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: off that same my feeling who was up in that

1493
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: same betting area because when because when you first cow called,

1494
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,759
Speaker 1: what did I say to you, Pounder? I don't remember.

1495
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: I said he's up on that ridge top up there,

1496
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and I said you come forward. Oh that's right, and

1497
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: we had to bump. Yeah. Well, I said it's safer

1498
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: now he's up high. And then he quickly like it,

1499
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: very quickly, not up high, but I think he rolls

1500
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: up out of those beds that we later found. It's

1501
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: interesting from our perspective, it sounded like he was below you. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

1502
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: not that first he was higher than eye level at first,

1503
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: for for for seconds he was It didn't take long

1504
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: at all, and he was on the moon. There was

1505
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: two balls that were in there. One was bowls everywhere. Yeah,

1506
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: it's like if I put my how do you explain this?

1507
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: If I put my two hands together. The bull we

1508
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: killed was in my right hand, that that bowl, and

1509
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: the bull we didn't was like in my left hand

1510
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: up higher because that that thing kind of like from

1511
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: our perspective, had like this two bulls, like it seemed

1512
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: like two separate timber bowls that actually weren't that way

1513
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: once we got in there, you know what I'm saying.

1514
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 1: But the bull that we were mainly after when we first,

1515
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: when you first called, he was higher than the eye

1516
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: level and there's all those beds up there. That was

1517
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: not good. I was trying to prevent that when we

1518
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: went in there to set up, but did not want

1519
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: to be blowing. I thought he was blow us just

1520
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: from where yeah, from where we from where we were

1521
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: just I thought it sounded like he was blow us.

1522
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: But when we set up a little bit higher than

1523
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, when we started calling, so I felt, well,

1524
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't matter especially either way. Either way

1525
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: he ends up below it, which is where we wanted

1526
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: him because we had and we had and we had

1527
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: a set up where we had a really probably the

1528
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: best wind we'd had the whole trip, and you had

1529
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 1: that that same thing, a different kind of barrier, but

1530
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: like a barrier basically like a little rock a rocky

1531
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: ridge spine, the same exact thing. Yeah, And we get

1532
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: set up like we don't know, really know before he

1533
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: starts calling, we don't know where the bull is gonna

1534
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: come from. We don't know where he is, and we

1535
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 1: don't know what his avenue of approaches. So you have

1536
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: to kind of get in the spot where you got

1537
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: a little bit of a game plan about, well, if

1538
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: he seems to me this way, it will go there.

1539
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Do I have a shooting lane? If he seems to

1540
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: go that way, I'm gonna duck over there. Do we

1541
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: have a shooting lane? And we kind of had a

1542
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: number of scenarios. I had three setups in my head

1543
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: where I could stay at one spot and know that

1544
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: I could duckt to my right and have shooting lanes

1545
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: going for one approach. I could bounce out and get

1546
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: out in front of her behind a ponderosa and cover

1547
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: a bunch more and in the off chance that he's

1548
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: somehow circled way up higher than us, I knew that

1549
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: I could go out around this rock outcrop and see

1550
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: up that direction, and you had in your head places

1551
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: where you could go to keep it where he couldn't

1552
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: see the source of the noise. It was very like

1553
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: pretty perfect situation. There wasn't one of those like make

1554
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: do things. Yeah, we knew it there. It was only

1555
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: so much timber that he could be in, and uh,

1556
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: it's he's not going anywhere. It's a hot day. It's

1557
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: a hot sunny day at eleven thirty in the morning,

1558
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: and he's in his bed and location and he's not

1559
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: going anywhere. And we were we were within fifty yards

1560
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: of the edge of the timber, So it wasn't like

1561
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: we were trying to call him a mile away, which

1562
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: can be a big time hindrance, which I think is

1563
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: what you were talking about when we worked those three

1564
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: other bulls. They're not in your strut zone, yeah, like

1565
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you were, just we were just not close enough to

1566
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: pressure him. Yeah, we worked some other bulls where we

1567
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: had watched one of these bulls and he kind of

1568
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: had like his place where his little area where he'd

1569
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: wander back and forth raising hell. And we're trying to

1570
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,799
Speaker 1: like invite him into some other part of the mountain,

1571
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: which calling turkeys, I think is the same thing. It's

1572
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: hard to like, it's harder to call a turkey into

1573
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: someplace he's not hanging out as it is to call

1574
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: him over to a different part of his hangout zone.

1575
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: And the biggest reason we did that is because the

1576
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to get closer really wasn't there. It was burned,

1577
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: it was open, wasn't live. Timber just wasn't a lot

1578
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 1: of space places where we can circum prevent his position,

1579
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, without making like a four hour tour. And

1580
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: as soon as you started going on this bowl, he

1581
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: got out of his bed and he was pissed, but

1582
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 1: he did not want to leave his timber patch, so

1583
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: he trapped. It's a pissy sound sounding sound, but he's

1584
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: actually not pissed, no I know, but it's just an expression.

1585
01:33:55,439 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 1: He's definitely not pissed. He's excited. I guess say he's

1586
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: pissed because um, because the sound that he makes sounds

1587
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: like sounds like if you were projecting that sound, you'd

1588
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna punch a hole in the wall,

1589
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, or you think of a bull that not

1590
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 1: a bull but a cattle bull bull cow. They get

1591
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: mad when he grunts the snorts when he's pissed. But

1592
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 1: he's pissed. I'm not as familiar with the vocalizations of

1593
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: mook cows. You've never been like snorted at by cows

1594
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: that are mad at you. They don't want to make love,

1595
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: do you? They might get out of it. So you

1596
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: say like pissed, But he's definitely not pissed. He's in

1597
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 1: he's he's uh, this isn't a word I like to

1598
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: throw around lightly. He's titilated. He's titilated by the sounds,

1599
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: and it's very excited. But he's also not wanting to

1600
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: He's also been around the block long enough. He's old,

1601
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 1: and he knows that there's At the time, no, no,

1602
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: I knew because the sound owns he was making the

1603
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: sounds he was making. He reached down ridge Pounder's throat

1604
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: and grabbed dude. Ridge Pounders ridge powder couldn't handle it anymore.

1605
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: Thank god, there's stabilization on that lens. Dude, because I

1606
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: was like when he finally came up into view, I

1607
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: could see him like kind of pacing below through the trees,

1608
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: and I would like seeing that. I was already like,

1609
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, I shouldn't be seeing this. And then

1610
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: when he came up the hill and was like looking

1611
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: at us, I was like looking at me as I'm

1612
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 1: filming him. Yeah, I was just rattling, like if you

1613
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: had had enough, you had said you'd had enough. Oh

1614
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 1: my god. Emotionally hand, I can't take another one. I

1615
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 1: have a heart attack. It's so intense. And he's just

1616
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: right there. And then he just like turns and faces

1617
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: us and just lets one rip, and I'm just like

1618
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 1: trying to make sure that I like the whole time,

1619
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 1: I never looked at him in person. I don't think

1620
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: that you found it emotionally taxing. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

1621
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: it's hard, man. I just kept looking through the camera

1622
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: and that was the only thing that kind of like,

1623
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: they're so big, especially this one, and they want it

1624
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: so bad, my goodness. Yeah, it was intense. A slave

1625
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: to one's passions, slave to one's passions, to his detriment.

1626
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: It would be like if you we're single and you

1627
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: gotta and you get a booty call from someone in

1628
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: the middle that late at night if the bars closed,

1629
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, it's probably a thirty chance that

1630
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: someone's gonna shoot me when I go over there. But

1631
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:45,600
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna risk there. But this dude, and I

1632
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: knew he was big because everything about the sounds he

1633
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:51,759
Speaker 1: was making, because at that point we'd watched a number

1634
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 1: of like big bulls bugle in and you get there's

1635
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 1: like it's sort of get tuned into like we like

1636
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 1: and there's a there's like a thing at the end

1637
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,719
Speaker 1: of their bugle that just is you could like feel

1638
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: the weight at the end of the bugle and you

1639
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 1: could be like, oh fun, like you want to go

1640
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: down and offer him up. The halls met elliptics between

1641
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: where I was seth Lauren on one side of the ridge,

1642
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 1: and you got to be like you were in the

1643
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: bowl with him, and like, yeah, there's a whole different

1644
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: sort of like the acoustics are different. The acoustics just

1645
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: the space that the sound takes up. It's pretty wild

1646
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 1: and on their same hillside and they're doing and you

1647
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: can just you can pinpoint them, so you're seeing his movements.

1648
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're you're not. It's almost like it's

1649
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: so he's so close and you can pinpoint the noise

1650
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: so exactly that it's like you're not actually watching something

1651
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 1: because you're looking into a timbered bowl with a lot

1652
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: of brush. You're not actually watching it, but you like

1653
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: it kind of occurs to you that you're not watching

1654
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: it because you feel as though you're watching it because

1655
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: the sounds are so constant and and and allow you

1656
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 1: to pinpoint just looking right down where thing. You feel

1657
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: like you're like observing him wandering around. And then he

1658
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: realized I'm not even seeing him, but it's just like

1659
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 1: the audio is so spectacular, but I'm paints is very

1660
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: vivid picture and he's doing a number of vocalizations. He's

1661
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,560
Speaker 1: making a cow call, but not yeah, you know, I

1662
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: think that was the first time I've ever heard of that.

1663
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 1: He would kind of go and then bugle and he's

1664
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: just going boom mm hmm boom. He must have done

1665
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 1: that a lot room He's seem to do it when

1666
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: he's walking pacing. I got a question for you guys. So, like,

1667
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, when your turkey hunting, you gotta bring him

1668
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: in close. And if your white tail hunting with a

1669
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 1: rifle out East because this is the first archery hunt

1670
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: I've ever done. But the other two hunts that I've

1671
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 1: been a part of where you get close to the animal,

1672
01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: are like out East white tail, like Midwest white tail

1673
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: where like you're generally pretty close, and Turkey, where you

1674
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: get pretty close but like you don't. Like when I

1675
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 1: saw those animals come in, I wasn't like, oh my god,

1676
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: this is crazy, but like when that elk came in,

1677
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: it was like an experience because there's so much bigger

1678
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 1: than you are. Yeah, in the in the in the

1679
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: there's so much more that can go wrong. Yeah, maybe

1680
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: that was there's like a you're like, because I get excited,

1681
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 1: but it's not dread. Yeah, when the bulls coming, it's

1682
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: it's like that's what you're there for. But for me,

1683
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 1: it's sixty dread. Yeah, dread that I'm gonna spook it,

1684
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 1: Dread that I'm gonna wound it, dread that whatever. It's

1685
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 1: just not I'm not in a happy spot. When a

1686
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: turkey's coming, I gotta smile. It's ear to ear man,

1687
01:39:55,400 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: it's all up. Yeah, turkey time. I'm like, yeah, it's coming,

1688
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: this is great. When the bulls coming. I'm like, oh

1689
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 1: oh man, go back, Oh my god, no, but yes

1690
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: he's coming. There's no getting out of this. Now you've

1691
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: done it to yourself. Now you just gotta like take it. Yeah,

1692
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:26,679
Speaker 1: you just gotta take it. Something is really gonna happen. Yeah,

1693
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 1: like this is really going on. Man. The pressure is high,

1694
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, not only for the hunter but the camera guy. Like,

1695
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: so that adds to your intensity beyond because you don't

1696
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: want to mess it up, just like your bowshot, you know,

1697
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: it's that important, don't mess the shot up. Well, here

1698
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: comes this bull and you're looking at the screen. You're

1699
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 1: not looking at reality, You're looking through this camera lens.

1700
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: And it becomes you know, in my focused am I am?

1701
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,759
Speaker 1: I doing this right? Is everything? I'm going together because

1702
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 1: this is the five seconds I have to nail in.

1703
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: And we've got five people in there. Yeah, a lot

1704
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: of a lot of people. We got a caller, a hunter,

1705
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 1: three camera people. Yeah, it's a lot of stink. It's

1706
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of yeah, a lot of variables. So this bowl, well,

1707
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm Sorryry about like three percent chance you can walk in.

1708
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna get shot. This bull knows enough, he's been

1709
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: around the block enough to know that he does not

1710
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: want to leave that timber line. It was very reluctant

1711
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 1: to leave that timber line and just paced up and down,

1712
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 1: not wanting to go out into the open, out into

1713
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,680
Speaker 1: the grass and come up the hill. Just walk in

1714
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: the timber line, screaming in agony. Yeah, but not. He's

1715
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: just really happy and excited. J honest, is making him

1716
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: feel like there's an another bull right over that ridge line.

1717
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 1: You never gave another bugle. You gave him the sound

1718
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: and that set up. We never went to the other bull.

1719
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: Didn't need it, just but you busted ground, didn't You know.

1720
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:15,640
Speaker 1: You're rustling, rustling around a little bit, but more just

1721
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: like just general elk if an elk's on the steep hillside,

1722
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: just feeding. They're making more noise than than just a

1723
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 1: couple of cow calls here and there. You know, it's

1724
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: just adding some just some death to the picture I'm

1725
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 1: trying to paint. You know, you didn't go a full

1726
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 1: Yanny on him, No, but you were making some You

1727
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: were making the ground noises to you, you were pulling

1728
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: grass out of the ground, making it sound like they're feeding.

1729
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 1: That That was pretty Yeah, he gets detail oriented. I

1730
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell he's doing. When he started

1731
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: ripping up grass, it's working, and he, like Yanni, wore

1732
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: that bull down. Yeah, he finally had to come and

1733
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: stay in the bedroom. Man, I'm gonna have to walk

1734
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:01,680
Speaker 1: up out of here now because the wind was just

1735
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 1: He had not a prayer because what he wants to

1736
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 1: do more than anything is he wants to go around

1737
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: and get a whiff. Yeah, and he's like, I'll tell

1738
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: you when it's a cow. You don't tell me when

1739
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 1: it's a cow. I'll go up and have a smell.

1740
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: But there's no way for him to do that without

1741
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: really doing some kind of roundabout trip out in the

1742
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 1: open at noon on a hot sunny day. There's no where,

1743
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 1: there was no way for him to do it, and

1744
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I think he was aware of that in his own

1745
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: elky way and eventually just was like okay, and a

1746
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: smart elk hunter typically, a smart bow hunter typically and

1747
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 1: this is a lot of experts will say this, including

1748
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: our good friend Jason Phelps, the game call maker. Um,

1749
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 1: he's like, sure, there's a risk of you being out

1750
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: in the open when someone's calling for you and you're

1751
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: and you got the bow there's a risk of being

1752
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,679
Speaker 1: out in the open, but because you're gonna get spotted

1753
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: more easily. But the risk of you being out in

1754
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: the open isn't as great as the risk that comes

1755
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:11,600
Speaker 1: from you being not having good shooting lanes and having obstructions.

1756
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: So he's like, sure, when there's a tree and you're

1757
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,759
Speaker 1: in front of the tree, you're more exposed to the bull,

1758
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: but that's not as bad as being behind the tree

1759
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: and having so many places you can't shoot. Very common mistake,

1760
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 1: I think. But our first setup, when you called in

1761
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 1: the multiple bulls, I was out in front of the

1762
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: tree and that was good. In this setup, it was

1763
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: blazing sun. To be out in front of the tree,

1764
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 1: you were illuminated like something on display. And he had

1765
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. He had a lot of open

1766
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 1: ground across and it wasn't like a confusion of trees.

1767
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: It was like a tree in a ton. The open

1768
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 1: space he had to cross. And I felt that I

1769
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,600
Speaker 1: was just asking a little bit too much, So I

1770
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: got up where a small ponder roast that was between

1771
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 1: me and the bull's line of approach, and I snapped

1772
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: some limbs which fit in. Because there was a lot

1773
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 1: of Joanni was making some noise. Anyways, I just like

1774
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 1: busted off limbs, not even trying to be quiet, just

1775
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: grab him and snapped the limbs off and had a

1776
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 1: couple of pockets. And I was trying to will that

1777
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: bull up the left side because I had a good

1778
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 1: cover and a great shooting hole through the tree if

1779
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:36,600
Speaker 1: he broke to my left. But he starts coming and

1780
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 1: he breaks to my right. And now in the psychele

1781
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:43,759
Speaker 1: like in the for me man like I get rattled.

1782
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 1: I've I've done enough Like rifle hunting, I'm like almost

1783
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: clinical about it. Um, I've got to like an almost

1784
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: clinical space about shooting my rifle in real world hunting situations.

1785
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: But with a bow, it's just things are so close,

1786
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 1: and you're so aware of the mistakes you can make,

1787
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: and there's so many more mistakes you can make, and

1788
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: it's so much less forgiving that all that stuff enters

1789
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 1: your head and and I've got it distilled down, Like

1790
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,640
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this the hunter times before. When I was

1791
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 1: a kid, my dad would put a sticker on our bow.

1792
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 1: He had these stickers and said, stay calm, pick a spot, um, now,

1793
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 1: my little manstra that I try to put my head

1794
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: is like elbow up, pick your spot, elbow up, pick

1795
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: your spot, elbow up. Because I'm like, if I can

1796
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 1: remember to do those two things, I feel that everything

1797
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: else falls into place. Like if I can just like

1798
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: get in my head like and do that, that's like

1799
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 1: the baseline of my that that's the of my like

1800
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 1: personal checklist. Like everything else falls into place if I'm

1801
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 1: doing that. And this bowl mingled so long, and when

1802
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: he first showed up, I was so rattled, but I

1803
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: got he lingered so long that I that I got unrattled,

1804
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: and I got my mantra in my head and I

1805
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: was ready, you know. I felt like I was ready,

1806
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was ready to place an arrow.

1807
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 1: And he starts coming and I was like feeling very

1808
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: confident and very confident. And he comes up, and sure

1809
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: enough he comes up with the in line with the

1810
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: center of my tree, where there he is in range,

1811
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why did I not get in front

1812
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 1: of the tree? Why did I get in front the tree?

1813
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,799
Speaker 1: And then it puts you in this like negativity spiral

1814
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 1: that starts to happen. He breaks out and then he's

1815
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 1: like looking at me like not knowing what he's seeing

1816
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 1: but looking at me. Um turns away. I get a

1817
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 1: range on him. He's thirty two yards but obscured by

1818
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 1: the tree. He moves and so his left his right

1819
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 1: side is facing me, and then he kind of turns

1820
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: so his left sides facing me. And at this point

1821
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:54,759
Speaker 1: he's very interested in what I am because I'm trying

1822
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 1: to like get and I have to get down on

1823
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: my knees. But he doesn't budge. And I got down

1824
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 1: on my knees and I get my bow back and

1825
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't budge. And I got where I felt like

1826
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: things were exactly right, and I had my spot picked,

1827
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 1: I had the right pin in the right place, I

1828
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 1: had my elbow up, I had I thought everything was perfect.

1829
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 1: I touched that release and hit him back behind the ribs,

1830
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: and my god, the feeling of of failure and self

1831
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 1: loathing that like overcame me in that moment of being

1832
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 1: that Um, like my brother put it best, man like

1833
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 1: for me, like my perspective put it best. Where when

1834
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 1: he messes up a shot, he's like, why am I

1835
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: so greedy and want this so bad that it actually

1836
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 1: in that it actually impairs my ability to do it?

1837
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: Like i'mself I wanted so bad that it become self defeating.

1838
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: So I can punch paper all day along with my

1839
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 1: bow and call my shots all ranges, all day long,

1840
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 1: punch and punch and punching. But the into something I

1841
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 1: really want bad, I can't do it. Like when it matters,

1842
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: it all falls apart. Rogan says, it's consequences. He says,

1843
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 1: we're like, we become intimidated by consequences. Isn't that how

1844
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: he put it? I freaking up. It's interesting. So you

1845
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: enter an arena. I was talking about this with raising kids.

1846
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't mind putting them into an arena of consequence,

1847
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: meaning I don't mind letting them play with a hatchet

1848
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 1: um And I think a lot of parents are afraid

1849
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 1: of letting their kids in the habit an arena of consequence.

1850
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: But they're like, when you're pulling the bow back and

1851
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 1: trying to kill something in weighs six hundred pounds with

1852
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 1: an arrow, it's like the consequences get so high, and

1853
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there it is like the easiest ship.

1854
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 1: Like in all the target shooting, I could never shoot

1855
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: an arrow that far off at that distance, but there

1856
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: it was, and my God was that like the one

1857
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: of the worst moments for me. I've been through it before.

1858
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 1: Doesn't get at you better. I didn't get to see

1859
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: it well. In your defense too, we did review the

1860
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: footage and he clearly jumped the string. He was gone

1861
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 1: before the arrow left. The bow man clearly dumped the string.

1862
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: It seems like it's hard, It's like it's so hard

1863
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: to piece together, but it seems like he was sprung. Yeah,

1864
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 1: but do you hear much about up There's some animals

1865
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:32,640
Speaker 1: that are famous for jumping the string. Oh sure, but

1866
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,680
Speaker 1: no elk do it when they're tuned up like that.

1867
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean I saw him do it over the years

1868
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 1: of guiding. Not a lot, but they do it. People

1869
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 1: talk about access. You're being literally gone by the time

1870
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: the arrow gets there. Now, there was a frame where

1871
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 1: you could see your arrow in like a dark patch

1872
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 1: of timber moving through, and then you could see the bowl.

1873
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 1: Like when you pause footage every and if nothing's moving,

1874
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:57,679
Speaker 1: everything's like clear, it looks like I'm just a regular photograph.

1875
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 1: But as soon as something moves, you get a little

1876
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,640
Speaker 1: bit of motion blur. And there's a shot where that

1877
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 1: arrow was going through and that bowl is like starting

1878
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 1: to get blurry. He's already on the move. Yeah, so

1879
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: you can see that he's already like whoa, And then

1880
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 1: he just pushed forward just enough, probably just to kick

1881
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:18,560
Speaker 1: it back. In my collection of interesting ship I have

1882
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 1: a deer skull that has a three bladed a steel

1883
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 1: feral type three bladed broadhead from the fifties that's embedded

1884
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 1: perfectly into dear's brain pan and the entrance hole is

1885
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 1: right dead center in its forehead. And it was from

1886
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: my father, and he there was a deer feeding in

1887
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 1: a field and vehicles would go by, and the deer

1888
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't spook that bad from the vehicles was so used

1889
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 1: to highway traffic. My dad had his recurve and and

1890
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 1: had had his body take his van with the door

1891
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 1: open so that my dad could jump out of the

1892
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 1: moving van into a ditch with his bow to get

1893
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 1: the approach. So his buddy drives by slowly. My dad

1894
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: rolls out of the van into the ditch, um the

1895
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,120
Speaker 1: deer watches the van roll away, and my dad rolls

1896
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:22,560
Speaker 1: up with his boat and lets an arrow go, and

1897
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 1: so much time elapse between the noise of the arrows

1898
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 1: release that the deer was able to swing its head

1899
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 1: around in the direction and blackout its chest with its

1900
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 1: own head and caught it right there and dropped. He

1901
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 1: killed it. Yeah, but it jumped the string and the

1902
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 1: worst worst way imagine. Um. So yeah, man, the arrows

1903
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: is back and I was feeling real, real down. Um.

1904
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 1: We went and laid low for a few hours. It's

1905
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 1: probably three hours, because here's the thing, man, Like, if

1906
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 1: you get a situation like that, you should lay low

1907
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 1: a long time. But it's so hot. It's hot, and

1908
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 1: we're very far away from the vehicle, and you got

1909
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 1: dark coming. There's coyotes and bears and wolves hanging around. Um,

1910
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 1: and it's, like I said, very warm, uncomfortably hot that day,

1911
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 1: lay down for three hours, swarmed with flies and bees

1912
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: and ants like that kind of weather, and start trailing

1913
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: and it's just pinpricks. Remember I think Seth you said,

1914
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 1: like literally a pin prick. It's like if you dipped

1915
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 1: a pin and all the blood we were find it

1916
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 1: would be like on the left side of his line

1917
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:48,719
Speaker 1: of travel, he would brush off blood about three ft

1918
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:53,640
Speaker 1: off the ground. One of the clues we found to

1919
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 1: help in the tracking is Jana's found a scratch mark

1920
01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 1: on a tree that was where the knock of the

1921
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 1: arrow scratched the tree. Yeah, he split two trees that

1922
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: weren't that far apart in the knocks scratched. And we

1923
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 1: were tracking. We were looking for heavy foot, heavy tracks,

1924
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: heavy foot, heavily placed foot tracks, footprints, um following those,

1925
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 1: trying to coordinate those with little pinpricks of blood. I

1926
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 1: didn't think about it now, but when he brushed against

1927
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 1: that tree, or was forced to brush against that tree

1928
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 1: with that arrow that was still stuck inside, that probably

1929
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:30,720
Speaker 1: did a fair amount of damage. I thought a lot

1930
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: about that, even at the time. I was like, that's

1931
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 1: like a whole that's helpful. Um, So it would be

1932
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: that you'd get a bit of blood, and you'd find

1933
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: us set of tracks and and make sense of the tracks,

1934
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 1: and follow the tracks and try to corroborate your instincts

1935
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 1: with another drop of blood that verifies that it's right

1936
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 1: or not. And we're tying little ribbons in the trees,

1937
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: and so you can also sort of get this sense

1938
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 1: of travel. And it really made sense to me that

1939
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 1: he would have followed the river bottom but didn't, and

1940
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: uh cut up and we tracked him and how many

1941
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 1: hours you think it took roughly three trailed for three hours,

1942
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 1: and you traveled three miles of zig zagging. Your GPS

1943
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 1: showed that you traveled three miles. Yeah, you had a

1944
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 1: phone with the on X app on it. And since

1945
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 1: we started tracking, we went. We moved the track one

1946
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: seventy yards as the crow flies, but you zig zag

1947
01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 1: three miles looking for droplets of blood. Three and then

1948
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 1: so now it's about six hard dark is eight. It's

1949
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 1: about six, and we're here an elk. I jump and

1950
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 1: out at seventy five yards away from me, and I

1951
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: hear it storm off and then go quiet, and we

1952
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: suspect that, like we bumped him, now we have to

1953
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 1: wait till the morning two get after him. And that's

1954
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 1: bad because it's gonna be it's not getting cold at night.

1955
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:18,480
Speaker 1: It's not getting cold at night. And then hike takes

1956
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 1: a couple of hours to hike out of there. Go

1957
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 1: back to what I did. Last thing I did is

1958
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 1: I took and shot away point in the in the

1959
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 1: cardinal direction that I thought the sound was and guessed

1960
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 1: that it was maybe seventy five yards away and set

1961
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 1: that way point. And we went back up in the

1962
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 1: morning and Jonas and Seth started trying to work the track,

1963
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 1: like work out the track and the trail. And I

1964
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 1: jumped ahead to where I thought it jumped from and

1965
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 1: looked there and couldn't find the bed. But eventually we

1966
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:51,800
Speaker 1: found where it laid down and bled, and I went

1967
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 1: to the where I thought the sounds had gone and

1968
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 1: where the sound ended and picked up a little pinprick

1969
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 1: of blood, and that let us jump the trail quite

1970
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: a ways. Yeah, Lauren actually found that bad that he

1971
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 1: was better than then. We had a fair amount of

1972
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:10,440
Speaker 1: blood in it, but yeah, you made a big jump.

1973
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 1: We jumped like a solid and a hundred yards and

1974
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 1: then the weirdest saying one of the weirdest things ever

1975
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 1: happened in the woods happens all of a sudden, I

1976
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 1: hear what I swear is a person whistling. That's what

1977
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: it sounded like to me too, And it took me

1978
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 1: a few minutes realized it was in fact a person whistling.

1979
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 1: And at this point we traveled up where we're only

1980
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 1: less than two yards from a property boundary, and I'm like, oh,

1981
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna get pre yelled at by a landowner or

1982
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 1: something like why else is this guy like hot to talk?

1983
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:46,960
Speaker 1: To us. At this point, we're very close to what

1984
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: would become the end of the blood trail. This guy

1985
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 1: is another bowl hunter out and he glasses up a

1986
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 1: bull laying in a weird spot and it wound up

1987
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: being the heat glass stop our dead bull, and had

1988
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:05,240
Speaker 1: gone down there to take pictures of it to show

1989
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 1: to his friends and act like he got her, make

1990
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: a gag on his friends. And he starts yelling to us,

1991
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 1: and we realized that just that, I mean, we would

1992
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:16,120
Speaker 1: have hit it and wouldn't be long. We would have

1993
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 1: hit it anyway. Yeah, we'd probably been on it in

1994
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:23,959
Speaker 1: less than fifteen minutes there. It was piled up. In hindsight,

1995
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,440
Speaker 1: I believe that when we jumped it, I think it

1996
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:30,720
Speaker 1: ran down that hill and died. I know you don't

1997
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: agree with that take. That's what I think happened, just

1998
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 1: because of how it was piled up there and what

1999
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 1: was going on with the where it was, and he

2000
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,640
Speaker 1: ran down the hill and died. But it was a

2001
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 1: warm night, it was a warm morning. We had a

2002
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 1: long hike in there, but this point it was hot out. Yeah,

2003
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 1: we found him. I think about ten am. All those

2004
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 1: flies that had been on us, we're on him, and

2005
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 1: at that one it was like a big bowl, man.

2006
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:05,000
Speaker 1: And at that point it's just like getting in there

2007
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 1: and and and it's like a thing that's had. I

2008
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:08,400
Speaker 1: can tell you that the four it's happened to be

2009
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 1: four times out of many, not just mine, but me

2010
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 1: being present for four big game kills where meat was

2011
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 1: lost because the heat, and they all had to do

2012
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 1: with Three of the four had to do with not

2013
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 1: finding an animal the day you got it, but finding

2014
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 1: it the next day. Three of the four. The fourth

2015
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 1: was just just having my first out west hunting experience

2016
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,400
Speaker 1: and not realizing how quickly things can go south if

2017
01:59:36,440 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 1: you're not careful. The other three were all from We're

2018
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:42,080
Speaker 1: all from not finding something to have to find finding

2019
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:46,400
Speaker 1: something the next day, but lost lost meat, lost a

2020
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 1: considerable amount of meat, yeah, possibly half the animal, which

2021
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 1: is like makes it sickening. Man. It's like you want

2022
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 1: to be happy, you know, you want to be a

2023
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 1: have you bought it, But in the end, it's like

2024
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:04,160
Speaker 1: it's just always winds up being like a little bit tainted,

2025
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:07,280
Speaker 1: and it's like a bull of a lifetime, man, Like

2026
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 1: I won't get a bull like that again. I mean

2027
02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 1: maybe I will, but I don't deserve to. I don't

2028
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 1: expect to, but you always got that and you and you,

2029
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 1: and so you run in your head and it's like, Okay,

2030
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:25,680
Speaker 1: you try to do your shot right, and you did.

2031
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 1: Maybe there's an excuse why, like maybe you jumped the string.

2032
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 1: Well that's partly your responsibility to don't shoot arrows and

2033
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 1: stuff that's aware of you. If it's already like hyper

2034
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 1: keyed into your presence and it's already like half thinking

2035
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,120
Speaker 1: about bolting, maybe you don't let the arrow go, but

2036
02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:42,800
Speaker 1: you did because you're greedy. Then you blow your shot,

2037
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:44,120
Speaker 1: and then you're like, Okay, the thing to do when

2038
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:46,240
Speaker 1: you blow your shot is give it a while, give

2039
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 1: it a long time, so you don't pressure it. So

2040
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 1: you give it a long time. If you bump it,

2041
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:55,400
Speaker 1: don't keep going back out pick it up the next day.

2042
02:00:56,640 --> 02:01:00,320
Speaker 1: But if you pick it up the next day, there's

2043
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta wait twelve hours whatever, You gotta

2044
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,760
Speaker 1: give it plenty of time. During that time, spoil itge occurs.

2045
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:09,280
Speaker 1: So you run back in your head. You're like, man,

2046
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:10,680
Speaker 1: all these ways in which I wish we would have

2047
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 1: done things better, but it's like I feel it kind

2048
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:14,240
Speaker 1: of did everything you're supposed to do when the and

2049
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:20,960
Speaker 1: he sort of wound up with a shitty outcome. There's

2050
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 1: no lesson. Oh, it's definitely some lessons within our experience.

2051
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's like a hard lesson, not

2052
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:34,880
Speaker 1: a hard lesson. There's no like next time, No, but

2053
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:37,000
Speaker 1: next time you jump on when you're trailing it, you're

2054
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:41,280
Speaker 1: gonna go running after it. No. No, but these lessons

2055
02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:43,560
Speaker 1: would be would just would be the sort of like

2056
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:48,040
Speaker 1: reinforcing lessons that you would do what we did because

2057
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 1: I think that we did end up with a because

2058
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 1: with our blood trail, we could end up not finding

2059
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: him and we could have bumped him some more and

2060
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 1: he might have not been laying out on an easy

2061
02:01:57,400 --> 02:02:00,160
Speaker 1: rage to find him. He could have gone another half

2062
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: mile farther and died in some hell whole tangle where

2063
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, the dude from the nest side didn't see him.

2064
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:10,280
Speaker 1: We lost the blood trail, lost the heavy tracks as

2065
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 1: he comes out on the open ground with his rocks

2066
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:18,640
Speaker 1: and it's hard to track. So you know, I feel

2067
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:21,760
Speaker 1: like we like did pretty good. There's been a lot

2068
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,520
Speaker 1: of other many much worse scenarios. There are lessons to

2069
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:28,960
Speaker 1: be learned in fortifying things you already think are true

2070
02:02:30,040 --> 02:02:33,960
Speaker 1: because it makes you more certain. But in some ways

2071
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:35,760
Speaker 1: this shook that up because, like I said, the thing

2072
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 1: is when you bump something, never pressure. But I think

2073
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 1: if we had walked over it would have been land

2074
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:44,880
Speaker 1: or dead. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll never know learn when

2075
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: we think about all that. That's the end of my story.

2076
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:50,480
Speaker 1: The end of my story. It worked out, big, huge

2077
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 1: giant bowl, were stuck with it and recovered the bowl

2078
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:58,720
Speaker 1: of a lifetime for you. Uh yeah, to everyone's credit,

2079
02:02:58,720 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was one of the best

2080
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:04,600
Speaker 1: bits of tracking. Yeah, very much a team effort, best track.

2081
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:10,120
Speaker 1: And I've been around rich ponder he even, uh, I

2082
02:03:10,240 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 1: was getting in there despite what about this orange leaf?

2083
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 1: I found one one spot of blood after we are

2084
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:21,320
Speaker 1: like somebody had found on the way ahead, and as

2085
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,120
Speaker 1: we were walking there, I like turned and looked and

2086
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:24,960
Speaker 1: found one spot of blood and I was like, all right,

2087
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 1: I found one spot. I didn't totally fail, even though

2088
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,920
Speaker 1: it like it wasn't didn't help the investigation at all,

2089
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:34,560
Speaker 1: But I was stoked that my eyes weren't totally shot. Yeah,

2090
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:39,600
Speaker 1: that's a crazy task to have the track just drops

2091
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:44,720
Speaker 1: of blood like that I couldn't see anything. Uh, I

2092
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:48,440
Speaker 1: didn't find a single spot of blood. I saw a

2093
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:53,640
Speaker 1: bed eventually from looking at obvious heavy tracks and a

2094
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:57,440
Speaker 1: wet spot in dirt. So it had to be pretty

2095
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:01,520
Speaker 1: in my face to see anything. So it was amazing. Yeah,

2096
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:04,760
Speaker 1: it takes a level of focus that I think that uh,

2097
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:09,880
Speaker 1: most humans aren't normally used to doing. Uh. That what

2098
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Speaker 1: it takes to be on a track like that when

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Speaker 1: you're going down to when you're going well, when it

2100
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:18,880
Speaker 1: gets down to pin drops every ten or twenty ft,

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02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:25,360
Speaker 1: it is just so easy to be like, I'm done

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02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 1: giving up. You know. Sometimes they're on the leaf, sometimes

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Speaker 1: on the ground, so you're just kind of like looking everywhere,

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02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 1: and the leaves had like little me and Stets are

2105
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 1: talking about that there's like weird like as the least

2106
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 1: for changing, there's like weird little like liquid e looking ambery,

2107
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:42,880
Speaker 1: brownish spots like every time you look at leaf you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh there's oh no, it's not blood. Um. When you're

2109
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Speaker 1: filming Haunts, Lauren, uh, how much you live in like

2110
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:58,720
Speaker 1: the the product and how much are you live in? Uh,

2111
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:05,280
Speaker 1: the the experience of being along. I think it kind

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02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:08,400
Speaker 1: of goes both ways that It's been a while since

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02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:12,480
Speaker 1: I've done a real serious hunt, Like I think I've

2114
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:16,080
Speaker 1: had a couple of years off. But before I did

2115
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:20,400
Speaker 1: any hunting filming at all, I really didn't have any

2116
02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:26,280
Speaker 1: interest in hunting whatsoever. But that experience and that education

2117
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 1: in in watching people who knew what they were doing,

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Speaker 1: change my perspective on all of it and kind of

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Speaker 1: gave me a passion for it in and of itself.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a little bit of both. You know,

2121
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Speaker 1: if you're behind the camera, if you're producing anything, I

2122
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,280
Speaker 1: think you want to produce something that's going to be

2123
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:50,240
Speaker 1: as top shelf as you can possibly make it. So

2124
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 1: that comes into play all the time, ah as being

2125
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:57,920
Speaker 1: a high priority because you don't want to put your

2126
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:04,440
Speaker 1: name on something that isn't taught shelf. But the experience too,

2127
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, it can't be replaced by anything because you're

2128
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 1: not going to get that experience as a camera guy,

2129
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 1: as a hunter without going and doing it and experiencing

2130
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:20,160
Speaker 1: and checking it out and learning about it. I think

2131
02:06:20,160 --> 02:06:23,920
Speaker 1: about two that you got started filming by filming like

2132
02:06:24,080 --> 02:06:29,960
Speaker 1: like extreme white water kayaking and like stuff where people die,

2133
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:37,320
Speaker 1: So you probably uh early on learned, Um, this idea

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02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:39,160
Speaker 1: that was that it wasn't always something that could be

2135
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:43,640
Speaker 1: separated out, like there was like a real like filming

2136
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:45,200
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, that there was like a real

2137
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:48,160
Speaker 1: risk there, you know, um, and you were living something

2138
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:51,280
Speaker 1: kind of real. You were filming something that was happening

2139
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:54,080
Speaker 1: in a very real way to people. Like it's like

2140
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:59,360
Speaker 1: taking like extremely challenging risks both to capture it and

2141
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:01,520
Speaker 1: what the people were doing. And so it probably felt

2142
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:05,280
Speaker 1: like really uh, like I was saying earlier consequence, Rich,

2143
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure. And you always in the back

2144
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:13,240
Speaker 1: of your head wondered if the camera gave that person

2145
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:17,560
Speaker 1: some sort of courage they wouldn't whether otherwise would have

2146
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:21,680
Speaker 1: had uh like someone drowned and you're like, man, he

2147
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:23,480
Speaker 1: would have never done that if we if we weren't

2148
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 1: filming it. Yeah, I mean there was the gnarliest thing

2149
02:07:32,200 --> 02:07:35,839
Speaker 1: during White Water for us, for me personally, was watching

2150
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 1: a guy go off a waterfall and break both of

2151
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:42,200
Speaker 1: his legs. It changed his life. He never you know,

2152
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 1: he kept kayaking after that, but it was a moment

2153
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 1: in time in his life that just completely shaped his

2154
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:54,040
Speaker 1: life for the rest of his life. And so the

2155
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:58,160
Speaker 1: consequences were super real, and you kind of, as the

2156
02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:02,720
Speaker 1: camera guy, even felt guilty for being there just to

2157
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:10,160
Speaker 1: capture him doing his passion. Following his passion, major consequences

2158
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:12,600
Speaker 1: and that. You know, I think as you get older,

2159
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:17,480
Speaker 1: that priority or that desire to try and push the

2160
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:22,080
Speaker 1: limits changes. But um, I don't know how you equate

2161
02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:26,760
Speaker 1: it to hunting. It's just obviously it's very different. But

2162
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:31,680
Speaker 1: you are still taking risk. But you're the consequence there

2163
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 1: is You're like, you're you're you're dealing in life and death.

2164
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:41,600
Speaker 1: You're dealing out death, which isn't the light thing. You know,

2165
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:47,560
Speaker 1: You're out there dealing it. You're Yeah, you're like in

2166
02:08:47,720 --> 02:08:54,720
Speaker 1: this position of Yeah, you have like substantial sort of

2167
02:08:54,840 --> 02:08:59,000
Speaker 1: power that you're wielding with a weapon, right making choices

2168
02:08:59,040 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 1: about how things will die. Um, there's a necessity. There's

2169
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,080
Speaker 1: like a definite necessity to it. There's an inevitability to

2170
02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:11,680
Speaker 1: it for things that typically are dying violent deaths, violent

2171
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:14,600
Speaker 1: painful deaths, regardless of your involvement in it. But all

2172
02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:17,040
Speaker 1: of sudden, you're inserting You're you're inserting yourself into it.

2173
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, rich is this final thought? Yeah, man, it's

2174
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:27,320
Speaker 1: a chance for your concluder you don't have to have one.

2175
02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't care. No I got I got one. Well,

2176
02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I got one. It just took

2177
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 1: chewing some four seats. Yeah, we got into that. No dip,

2178
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:40,480
Speaker 1: no dip on this trip. Just just spits, man, spit seeds,

2179
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:42,200
Speaker 1: just fit seeds. But I don't want to feed your

2180
02:09:42,240 --> 02:09:45,080
Speaker 1: concluder to you. Uh, no concluder. I hadn't. I was

2181
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 1: kind of wrapped up in Lawrence. A little thing there

2182
02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:54,760
Speaker 1: that was a that was a good man. Um No,

2183
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:57,840
Speaker 1: just the whole experience was crazy. Just seeing those elk

2184
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:01,640
Speaker 1: that close and here in the vehicles and being out

2185
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:05,360
Speaker 1: there is just I hadn't done anything like that before,

2186
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:08,520
Speaker 1: despite being on l hunts before. It was he can

2187
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:11,320
Speaker 1: be religious. I have two clients I know of that

2188
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:15,000
Speaker 1: they came back so many times that they've worked through

2189
02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:17,920
Speaker 1: probably all the guides over the years, but that they

2190
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:20,760
Speaker 1: both wanted at least one all of his ashes and

2191
02:10:20,840 --> 02:10:23,720
Speaker 1: the other one part of his ashes spread out on

2192
02:10:23,880 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 1: those mountains that we used to hunt, because it was

2193
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,320
Speaker 1: just so special to him to be there in September

2194
02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:35,040
Speaker 1: in those woods and and you know it being part

2195
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:49,840
Speaker 1: of what we just did last week off whistle. What

2196
02:10:49,960 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 1: else you got? Ah, it's about it, man. Both these

2197
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 1: guys killed it on their first mediator trip. Did a

2198
02:10:57,480 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 1: great job. It was a great to be a part

2199
02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:05,000
Speaker 1: of wonderful footage. Wonderful footage which I look forward to

2200
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 1: people seeing. Yeah, me too, Kelsey, I have like a

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Speaker 1: concluder question. Oh that's great man. Okay. We talked about

2202
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:16,840
Speaker 1: like the loser ship factor a little bit, and I

2203
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:20,480
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, me as a new hunter not

2204
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:24,080
Speaker 1: having that experience, thinking about it in the future someday.

2205
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:26,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people, you know, they prepare by shooting

2206
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:30,160
Speaker 1: at a target at best, like a total archery challenge

2207
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:35,240
Speaker 1: style preparation. You know, like, what would you say to people?

2208
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:37,400
Speaker 1: How do you how do you prepare for that experience

2209
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Speaker 1: where you go out there all of a sudden you

2210
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:41,200
Speaker 1: have a bow and arrow in your hands and there's

2211
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:45,600
Speaker 1: a screaming out, you know, thirty five yards away? What

2212
02:11:46,080 --> 02:11:49,880
Speaker 1: what do you? What can you do? My My My

2213
02:11:50,120 --> 02:11:55,400
Speaker 1: feeling is that it's the only thing is exposure to

2214
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:59,160
Speaker 1: the thing itself. I don't think it's replicable. Um, but

2215
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:02,360
Speaker 1: that's in season. Yeah. But our friends, but but there's

2216
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 1: people that disagree, like our friend Rory Denver, who was

2217
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:09,320
Speaker 1: involved in in training some of the most like elite

2218
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:16,120
Speaker 1: combat soldiers on the planet, feels that through realistic scenarios

2219
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:22,200
Speaker 1: and constant drilling and realistic scenarios, he feels that you

2220
02:12:22,280 --> 02:12:27,400
Speaker 1: can achieve something close to actual experience where you can

2221
02:12:27,480 --> 02:12:30,560
Speaker 1: get people into a situation where it becomes roight. It

2222
02:12:30,640 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 1: becomes so right, kicking in the door and storming a compound,

2223
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:39,480
Speaker 1: did it becomes so rot And you've done it so

2224
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:41,880
Speaker 1: many times you know just exactly what to do that

2225
02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:44,520
Speaker 1: when you're doing it for real for the first time,

2226
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:47,320
Speaker 1: you feel like you've already been here. But I don't

2227
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,000
Speaker 1: think you can achieve that in this situation. Well that's

2228
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:50,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because like, what the hell would it

2229
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:53,440
Speaker 1: be you only have this situation once a year, because like,

2230
02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:56,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I can I've been that close to ELK

2231
02:12:57,200 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 1: many times in my life, but the pressure wasn't there. Yeah,

2232
02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:04,000
Speaker 1: the scenario of a route wasn't there. You know. It's like,

2233
02:13:04,240 --> 02:13:07,560
Speaker 1: how do you prepare yourself for that intensive experience where

2234
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:10,440
Speaker 1: you're literally losing your ship and you have to accomplish something.

2235
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:13,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just it's it's it's exposure to

2236
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:14,800
Speaker 1: the thing itself. I don't think it needs to be.

2237
02:13:14,840 --> 02:13:16,960
Speaker 1: I think it would absolutely help if you were just

2238
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:20,560
Speaker 1: standing with someone or with the car, just any amoun

2239
02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 1: exposure to it. But it's not a trainable thing. I

2240
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:27,760
Speaker 1: think you can. Yeah, there is just nothing that's gonna

2241
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:34,280
Speaker 1: trip you up emotionally and psychologically that that will like,

2242
02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:38,480
Speaker 1: let's say they had like some mechanical elk. You know

2243
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:41,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be like, oh man, I've been through

2244
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:44,960
Speaker 1: this before with that super realistic target that has an

2245
02:13:45,320 --> 02:13:47,840
Speaker 1: vehicle noise it makes. It just isn't gonna do it.

2246
02:13:48,120 --> 02:13:50,640
Speaker 1: And there's some people that are never going to get

2247
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 1: over it. And there's some people that are just cold

2248
02:13:53,200 --> 02:13:55,120
Speaker 1: blooded and don't mean that in a negative way. I

2249
02:13:55,160 --> 02:13:58,640
Speaker 1: mean some people that can separate. I would like I

2250
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:01,480
Speaker 1: lost it when I had like gobbling turkeys my first

2251
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:03,760
Speaker 1: turkey season this year. So I'm like, man, when am

2252
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:06,280
Speaker 1: I gonna do? You know? I called a turkey and

2253
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:09,040
Speaker 1: for a guy that never hunted the spring and when

2254
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:12,880
Speaker 1: that turkey showed its head, he said, oh my god,

2255
02:14:17,400 --> 02:14:21,040
Speaker 1: the turkey, but it's stunned him. Yeah. I think that's

2256
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:24,040
Speaker 1: just like an ongoing question. Everybody has to prepare yourself

2257
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:28,040
Speaker 1: for the fact that you're not going to just be okay. Well,

2258
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times it gets worse because the beginners

2259
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:35,280
Speaker 1: can have like a beginner coolness because you just you

2260
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:38,480
Speaker 1: just so um. You don't even have enough exposure to

2261
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:41,320
Speaker 1: know that you should how excited you should be. And

2262
02:14:41,400 --> 02:14:43,880
Speaker 1: so the first couple of times you can, everybody's like, damn,

2263
02:14:44,440 --> 02:14:46,400
Speaker 1: you just did that perfectly. It was like no big deal.

2264
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:48,760
Speaker 1: And then the next time you sort of like you're

2265
02:14:48,760 --> 02:14:51,360
Speaker 1: just a little bit more relaxed, and somehow there's more

2266
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:54,760
Speaker 1: chemicals entering your brain and your body. And I mean,

2267
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,640
Speaker 1: how many times when we were kids both hunt where

2268
02:14:57,640 --> 02:14:59,720
Speaker 1: you like trying to pull on that string and you

2269
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:03,440
Speaker 1: were like, I physically can't pull my bow back because

2270
02:15:03,680 --> 02:15:06,520
Speaker 1: of buck fever. I had buck I had buck fever,

2271
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:11,240
Speaker 1: might even been doe fever. I was late in high

2272
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:15,400
Speaker 1: school and I couldn't pull my bow back. I had

2273
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:18,400
Speaker 1: a set too high. I don't honestly keep it mind

2274
02:15:18,440 --> 02:15:21,200
Speaker 1: when I'm setting my bow like, I don't just go

2275
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:23,560
Speaker 1: to like Max. I go to like dude, when you're

2276
02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:26,280
Speaker 1: in panic mode, this bow gunna grease back? Nice, That's

2277
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:30,400
Speaker 1: what I think about. Because I had like you're cold,

2278
02:15:31,240 --> 02:15:33,880
Speaker 1: too cold to get it back, and too nervous, And

2279
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:36,040
Speaker 1: so I don't run like I don't just like keep

2280
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:39,040
Speaker 1: cranking until I'm like pulling to get the bow back.

2281
02:15:39,120 --> 02:15:44,320
Speaker 1: I can pull my bow back nice thinking about that stuff. Yeah,

2282
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:46,360
Speaker 1: And I can call bulls in and get all these

2283
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:49,400
Speaker 1: experiences and sit there and be half asleep on the

2284
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:53,440
Speaker 1: hillside just with a smile on my face, rock in

2285
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:57,120
Speaker 1: your hands on your face. If I if I had

2286
02:15:57,240 --> 02:15:59,080
Speaker 1: just jumped over the ridge and put a bow in

2287
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:02,840
Speaker 1: my hand, it's just it's just completely changes, like the

2288
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:06,920
Speaker 1: blood pushures through the roof. But there's things that we

2289
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:10,800
Speaker 1: did in our camp um in Colorado that a lot

2290
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:13,200
Speaker 1: of guys said helped him a lot. Like we had

2291
02:16:13,240 --> 02:16:15,040
Speaker 1: a three D course set up, didn't have a bunch

2292
02:16:15,080 --> 02:16:17,120
Speaker 1: of targets, you know, maybe six or eight or so,

2293
02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 1: and we would set up just funky crazy ship like

2294
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:23,400
Speaker 1: shooting through a bunch of tight aspens where the lane

2295
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:25,840
Speaker 1: was only eight inches, or we'd have them set up

2296
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:27,480
Speaker 1: on a bench and we would make it so like

2297
02:16:27,800 --> 02:16:30,320
Speaker 1: we'd all stopped before you could see the target and

2298
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:33,440
Speaker 1: be like, okay, here's how this shot works. Not gonna arrow,

2299
02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:35,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna take three steps, you're gonna be able to

2300
02:16:35,640 --> 02:16:37,800
Speaker 1: see that elk. You need to draw your bow and

2301
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:39,760
Speaker 1: count to three in your head and make a shot,

2302
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:42,680
Speaker 1: because that's how it happens in real life, right, And

2303
02:16:42,760 --> 02:16:45,280
Speaker 1: so we would sort of play out these scenarios. And again,

2304
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:47,800
Speaker 1: these were seasoned hunters, you know, they're out on a paying,

2305
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,320
Speaker 1: paid elk hunt. But we would do a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff like that where it wasn't just like we were

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Speaker 1: just out there shooting a target or just even if

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Speaker 1: it was an elk target, just shooting an elk target

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02:16:56,360 --> 02:16:58,200
Speaker 1: out in the field. But we would, you know, make

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Speaker 1: scenarios up in our heads. You know, we did a

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02:17:00,840 --> 02:17:02,920
Speaker 1: lot of times have guys shooting stuff that was two

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02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:05,160
Speaker 1: and three yards away, because you tell you what, a

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02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:07,400
Speaker 1: lot of dude, especially confound bow guys, they have no

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02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:09,240
Speaker 1: idea where the arrow is gonna hit when it's at

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Speaker 1: two yards, and sometimes crazy ship like that happens, and

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02:17:12,440 --> 02:17:16,039
Speaker 1: you need to have that confidence to just be like, yeah, whatever,

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02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:18,200
Speaker 1: all my pins on his heart and touch it off.

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Speaker 1: But if you've never gone through that, and also there's

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02:17:21,560 --> 02:17:24,240
Speaker 1: an elk at two yards or three yards, you can

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Speaker 1: very well freeze up and never pull the trigger or

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Speaker 1: or or whatever. Just be so and never pick a spot,

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02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:33,960
Speaker 1: because even in two yards, you better pick your spot

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02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:36,039
Speaker 1: and not just go, oh, there's an elk and pull

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02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:37,880
Speaker 1: the trigger. You're gonna end up with one of the guts.

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Speaker 1: I took one of my old girlfriends out once and

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02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:42,600
Speaker 1: we get out from a bugle and bowl and he

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02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:47,160
Speaker 1: comes over fifteen yards away fully reaction. She never pulled

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02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,120
Speaker 1: her bow back. He's got up, stood there bugle a

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02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:52,200
Speaker 1: couple of times, walked on the Earth's other bridge. I'm

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02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:53,800
Speaker 1: like behind her, I get like, what happens? She's like,

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02:17:53,879 --> 02:17:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Never pulled the bow. It was just

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02:17:58,120 --> 02:18:01,000
Speaker 1: too much. We used to make do ten or twenty

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02:18:01,080 --> 02:18:03,960
Speaker 1: jumping jack's then knock an arrow and take a shot

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02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:06,520
Speaker 1: in three or three to five seconds, just to get

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02:18:06,560 --> 02:18:11,400
Speaker 1: their heart rate up. But yeah, still like buck fever.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're you're not gonna replicate it. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what makes it worse is messing up.

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02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:23,840
Speaker 1: It makes it worse the next time. Put in the hole. Yeah,

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02:18:24,280 --> 02:18:26,480
Speaker 1: if you start out on flat ground, it puts you

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Speaker 1: in a hole. Seth, how ready get after the big

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02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:37,640
Speaker 1: old flathead catfish. I am I'm stoked for that flatheads

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Speaker 1: and some squirrels. H No, I just had a blast, man.

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Speaker 1: It was a good group of guys and awesome hunt, challenging, rewarding. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'll try to help my cookie game next time. I'll

2345
02:18:51,640 --> 02:18:58,160
Speaker 1: work on that dates I'll write that down. But yeah,

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02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:02,879
Speaker 1: awesome trip. Congrats to get on the big jam bull. Yeah. Um.

2347
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:05,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel because you've done a bit of elk hunting?

2348
02:19:06,440 --> 02:19:08,160
Speaker 1: Do you feel that after're going to a unit like that?

2349
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:10,480
Speaker 1: Does it kind of like make everything seemed like a

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02:19:10,520 --> 02:19:13,680
Speaker 1: little bit of a bummer? Maybe a little bit. I

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02:19:13,720 --> 02:19:17,440
Speaker 1: don't I'm struggling with that if all spots were like that,

2352
02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:18,960
Speaker 1: spots like do you really need to go back to

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02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:20,640
Speaker 1: the kind of place where someone blows a call and

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02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:22,840
Speaker 1: it just explodes with the reach, like the wood just

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02:19:22,959 --> 02:19:27,000
Speaker 1: explodes the outgoing to other directions? Yeah, her like, dude,

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Speaker 1: it's dude, I know that sound the yeah, the morning

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02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:33,959
Speaker 1: you shot your bull. I don't know. I don't think

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02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:36,560
Speaker 1: too many elk hunters get to experience something like that.

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02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:46,480
Speaker 1: That was crazy. No, No, they don't. Yeah, I agree,

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02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:49,760
Speaker 1: it is to you far between, but hard to appreciate

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02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:53,800
Speaker 1: those haunts without being out on a bunch of public

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02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,560
Speaker 1: land haunts where if you call a bull a day

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02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:59,039
Speaker 1: in or even just have an interaction with a bull

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02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:03,400
Speaker 1: per day, like that's good. What's cool about this is

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02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:06,400
Speaker 1: public land? Yeah, so it's kind of fun like that

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02:20:07,879 --> 02:20:11,760
Speaker 1: where it's like there's like at least a chance. And

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02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:13,920
Speaker 1: we had ups and downs. I mean we had two

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Speaker 1: days of zero bugles and feeling like, oh what are

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02:20:17,480 --> 02:20:19,840
Speaker 1: we doing? Like we have no idea how to hunt

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02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:22,520
Speaker 1: elk kinda you know, because it's gonna call it would

2371
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:24,760
Speaker 1: cost to go have that, to go buy that experience

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02:20:24,879 --> 02:20:30,959
Speaker 1: is twenty yeah, close to it for sure to buy

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02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:35,600
Speaker 1: that experience. But with public land, luck of the draw

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02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:40,240
Speaker 1: could happen to anyone. Yep. It sounds like not for

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Speaker 1: non residents in Washington though, as you explain, I don't

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02:20:43,360 --> 02:20:47,520
Speaker 1: know what the odds are there and around right like

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02:20:47,720 --> 02:20:51,520
Speaker 1: there's like great, you know, it's great. Units of Colorado,

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02:20:51,560 --> 02:20:54,920
Speaker 1: there's units in Utahler's unions in Arizona. There's units of Montana,

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02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:58,039
Speaker 1: like because units every state, like there's every state has

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02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:00,800
Speaker 1: a couple of those spots that you could just hit

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Speaker 1: without costing what you paid for a vehicle. No, no

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Speaker 1: closing thoughts for me other than I can I can't

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02:21:10,200 --> 02:21:13,680
Speaker 1: wait to. Uh have you learned how to call it real? Good?

2384
02:21:13,720 --> 02:21:17,760
Speaker 1: And then called big and I told you already doesn't

2385
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:19,800
Speaker 1: have to be an eight by eight, just a seven

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02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:27,840
Speaker 1: by seven will be cool. I got that's the one,

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Speaker 1: all right. Guys, Thank you all for coming, Thanks for

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02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:39,440
Speaker 1: having us going hunting jerious. You are