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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Baby shower friends search for a missing mom just twenty

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Speaker 2: eight This as damning police bodycam emerges.

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Speaker 1: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories, and I want to thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Mamta is an incredibly dedicated person. Being a nurse was

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Speaker 3: her absolute dream and she was completely committed to it.

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Speaker 2: You don't become a nicku nurse without being a very,

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Speaker 2: very dedicated nurse. Could somebody explain why mam does friends

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Speaker 2: from her baby shower have to go out searching for her?

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Speaker 1: Where's the husband? Where are the police? Where are the.

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Speaker 2: Search teams, the canines, the drones, the divers.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that women friends at.

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Speaker 2: Her baby shower have to take to the streets, the woods,

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Speaker 2: the forest to try to find Mamta bought this as

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Speaker 2: damning police bodycam video emerges as we scour the latest

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Speaker 2: for DNA. I don't understand why these ladies who were

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Speaker 2: serving punch and petaphores one day are out trumping through

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Speaker 2: ditches the next day looking for a missing mom just

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Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. If you know or think you

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Speaker 2: know anything about missing mom mom to bought seven O

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Speaker 2: three three six one, one, one, three six with me

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Speaker 2: an All Star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 2: know right now. But as the moms have been out

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Speaker 2: searching for their friend Mamta, we learn that damning bodycam

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Speaker 2: video has emerged of the husband. Now it's attorneys will

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Speaker 2: argue it's not damning at all. Everyone reacts differently when

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Speaker 2: they're confused and upset. Well, I don't know if a

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Speaker 2: jury would disagree with that. Listen to this bodycam video.

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Speaker 4: Hello, sir, are you I'm obtually with Tom and U

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Speaker 4: smart Please we're looking for miss montakflict.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she like on waitness day she left and then

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Speaker 5: she says he gonna go either New York or Dixas

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Speaker 5: and then she lived, like I said, had the phone

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Speaker 5: and then see destroyed that phone and then he left.

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Speaker 2: Wa whoa whoa wait wait wait did the husband just

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Speaker 2: say she destroyed.

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Speaker 1: Her phone and then left?

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Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star panel to makes sense of

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Speaker 2: what we're hearing right now, But who in their right

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Speaker 2: mind destroys their phone then leaves their baby straight out

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Speaker 2: to a very dear friend of Mamta's who has formed

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Speaker 2: a GoFundMe for her. Nadia Navarre right Naughtiya, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us, Nadia.

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Speaker 1: Does that sound like Manta to you?

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Speaker 2: This highly organized, highly responsible Nicki nurse. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: don't put just anybody that falls off the turnip truck

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Speaker 2: truck in the nicku dealing with babies who could lose

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Speaker 2: their life at any moment. Does that sound like Manta

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Speaker 2: to you? I want you to listen to him one

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Speaker 2: more time, Nadiyat.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the husband.

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Speaker 6: Even like she was five months he left. We were

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Speaker 6: like week we never know. And then one of friend

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Speaker 6: telling me like somewhere in Pulst. And then after that,

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Speaker 6: at that time, she had a leftop over here in

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Speaker 6: my leftom. Her email was home and I see uber

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Speaker 6: was there. She did the uber and then I went

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Speaker 6: to the near by the building and then.

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Speaker 3: I saw her, you know, like at the building she goes.

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Speaker 6: You know, I I worked for her, like you know,

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Speaker 2: She destroys her phone and takes off in an uber.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. What about the claims she

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Speaker 2: destroyed her phone, Nadia, every.

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Speaker 3: Word out of his mouth is an absolute lie. And

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Speaker 3: she couldn't have left anyways without her phone because she

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Speaker 3: didn't drive. How is she going to get an uber

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Speaker 2: Dave Mac joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: that is very reminiscent of Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 1: Remember him. He says his wife disappears.

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Speaker 2: On New Year's Day, that he saw her getting into

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Speaker 2: an Uber to go to.

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Speaker 1: The airport and that was that.

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Speaker 2: Never saw her again and to this day she hasn't

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Speaker 2: been seen or heard from again. Remember Brian Walsh and

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Speaker 2: Anna Walsh, they had little children too, and mommy just

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Speaker 7: Dave Mac makes no sense to me, as you know,

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Speaker 7: her employer is the one that actually called and asked Belise, hey,

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Speaker 7: would you mind checking on her? Brian Walsh tells a

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Speaker 7: story that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and it's totally verifiable, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: It's not like you can't find out what ride share

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Speaker 7: can't find that. So his story it's parallel to Naresh

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Speaker 7: bat you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I'm just thinking about it. To Nadia Navarro claiming

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Speaker 1: Then took off.

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Speaker 2: I mean what was your experience with Mamta. Does that

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely not. I think it's just a classic. She's

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Speaker 3: crazy and the police officers bought it immediately. They didn't

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Speaker 3: They were just completely on board.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, sure, Well, you know, you really just struck

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Speaker 2: a chord with me, Nadia, because I've heard that over

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Speaker 2: and over and over. She's crazy, she's hysterical, she's wigging out,

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Speaker 2: body cam, Nadia.

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Speaker 6: I'm kind of thing that some mental you see.

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Speaker 5: I will see the nurse problem is there, because you know,

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Speaker 5: if I say something with the nurse, who know more?

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Speaker 8: I say, you know more?

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Speaker 3: You know, like I see a lot of stuff, you know.

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Speaker 8: I told her, like multiple times, let's go to the psychiatrist,

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Speaker 8: you know, like do something. He said, like, oh, I'm okay,

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Speaker 8: I know, I know my stuff, I'm registered, you know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, play that

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Speaker 2: one more time for me, controler, because at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: listen carefully, he says, oh, yeah, she crazy. One more thing,

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Speaker 2: she's got some mental issues.

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Speaker 1: She's a nurse problem is there?

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Speaker 2: You know, if I say something, who's the nurse who

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Speaker 1: Her or me? I say a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I told her multiple times, Let's go to the psychiatrist.

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Speaker 2: And she says, Oh, I'm okay, I know my stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm a registered nurse. Okay, listen to him.

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Speaker 6: I'm kind of the mental see I will see. The

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Speaker 3: Nurse, you no more.

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Speaker 4: I say, you know more?

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Speaker 3: You know, like I see a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know, I told her like multiple times, lets go

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Speaker 8: She's like, Oh, I'm okay, I know, I know my stuff.

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Speaker 5: I'm registered in RS.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I can hardly stand to look at this man. Let

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Speaker 1: me go to a shrink really quickly.

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Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory is with me licensed psychologist mediator, and

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Speaker 2: he specializes in forensic psychology.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of degrees and a lot of experience, but I

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Speaker 2: really don't know if you're qualified to answer this one.

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Speaker 2: Why is it when the woman disappears, she's crazy, she's hysterical,

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Speaker 2: she's got mental problems, and then she ends up dead.

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Speaker 2: Did you see him fix his mouth to say, oh.

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Speaker 1: She got mental problems. She got mental issues, but she's

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Speaker 1: a nurse. Nobody would believe me. And he said, honey,

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Speaker 4: It's a tale as old as time, Nancy. But to

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Speaker 4: be honest, this is the kind of thing that a

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Speaker 4: lot of men try to use because they think other

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Speaker 4: men are going to believe them, that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: we have this hysterical woman who doesn't know what she's doing,

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Speaker 4: who won't listen to reason, because men are always logical

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Speaker 4: and reasonable. I mean, it's pretty clear that this is

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Speaker 4: just an excuse that he's using, that he's using that

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Speaker 4: just believe just because it's a man saying that a

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Speaker 4: woman is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, not only Wendy Patrick, but Tammy Ballard, crime

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Speaker 2: scene consultant, crime scene Investigation Reconstruction. She's law enforcement liaison

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Speaker 2: with our friends at Authram Labs, Inc. You know, the

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Speaker 2: specialists that crack all the cases with DNA. Tammy Ballard,

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Speaker 2: Are you sick up to hear with she's crazy?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard it so many times.

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Speaker 9: I just it's one I think he's just throwing everything

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Speaker 9: out there from that. They started out with she's crazy

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Speaker 9: and then just progresses from there.

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Speaker 1: So I just think, you know what, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: said that, Tammy. That's the great thing.

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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons joining me, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, specializing

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Speaker 2: in finding missing people.

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Speaker 1: Brian, don't you just.

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Speaker 2: Love bodycams because they catch sometimes a suspect, sometimes the purpse,

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Speaker 2: sometimes a witness, in all sorts of inconsistencies.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, this is great video to analyze because here we

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Speaker 10: have Nuresh giving a timeline right when he last saw Mamta,

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Speaker 10: what her last behaviors were and when, and these can

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Speaker 10: highlight later inconsistencies in his defense. This is huge for

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Speaker 10: investigators to line up the tipe. The actual timeline is

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Speaker 1: Look at him. I just want to just snap his

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Speaker 2: So calm, so cool talking about yeah, she's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Hello, sir, are you I'm actually the human as part?

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Speaker 4: Please?

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Speaker 1: We're looking for a miss Monta conflict.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she like on waitness day she left and then

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Speaker 5: she says she gonna go either New York or Texas.

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Speaker 5: And then she lived, like I said, had the phone

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Speaker 5: and then see you destroyed that phone and then left.

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Speaker 2: Boy, that narrows it down. Maybe she's in New York

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Speaker 2: or maybe she's in Texas. Okay, Nadia Navarro, you're a

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Speaker 2: very dear friend of Manta's. Have you ever known her

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Speaker 2: to leave her child?

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Speaker 3: No? Absolutely not No.

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Speaker 1: Would she just take.

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Speaker 2: Off and go to let's see, New York or Texas

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Speaker 2: leaving baby Nima behind.

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Speaker 3: No, and we know that it's impossible for her teeth

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Speaker 3: had no access to funds at all.

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Speaker 1: Now listen to this. I've dissected this bodycam guys.

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Speaker 2: We have just gotten her mixed on bodycam video of

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Speaker 2: Mamta's husband, and there's, in my mind it's just so

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Speaker 2: sinister the way he is standing there, speeding all this

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Speaker 2: out about Mamta while holding the baby that she prized

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Speaker 2: above all else. Now here's his story spinning out. He

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Speaker 2: just said, Oh, she decided to go to New York

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Speaker 2: or maybe it was Texas.

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Speaker 1: Not really sure about that.

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Speaker 8: But listen, even like she has five months the records

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Speaker 8: or like peek, we never know.

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Speaker 2: He's saying she left for three weeks one time. Have

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Speaker 3: It's a lie. She has left before, but it was

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Speaker 2: Guys, you're you're hearing all the discrepancies of where in

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Speaker 2: Today with Dr Wendy on kcbke Wendy, it's that old phrase,

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Speaker 11: As you talk, you know, and it's more than talking

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Speaker 12: And that is so telling with this particular video. I mean,

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Speaker 11: She went to work every day, she took care of

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Speaker 11: Would never have left the toddler, would not have destroyed

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Speaker 12: This on camera to the police, whatever comes out of

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to speak to Nadia Navarro. Nadia a

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Speaker 2: very dear friend of Mamta's. Could you recount the very

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Speaker 1: As we were what happened.

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Speaker 3: We never made it there. We never made it there

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Speaker 1: You were driving Mamta where.

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Speaker 3: To buy spices from India.

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Speaker 1: Bizarre why?

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Speaker 3: Because she taught me to cook. She was teaching me

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Speaker 1: What special recipe?

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Speaker 3: It was a curry dish with a bunch of other

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Speaker 2: You may wonder why I'm asking these details Nadia and Navarro,

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Speaker 2: And the reason is not that I disbelieve you in

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Speaker 1: I do believe you.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I question a witness or guest, I look for

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Speaker 2: you'd be surprised. I mean you're looking at the husband.

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Speaker 2: How people go blank? They have to fabricate a story.

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Speaker 2: They can't immediately say it was curry dish, it was

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Speaker 2: What because they're making it up. So, Nadia and Navarro,

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Speaker 2: you take her to an Indian spice market because you

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Speaker 2: How many times did her husband call you?

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Speaker 3: Probably three? And I didn't want to pick up, but

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Speaker 3: she said we should pick up because we don't want

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Speaker 1: But you picked it up to make her happy?

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Speaker 2: Yes, eventually, Yeah, why didn't you want to pick up

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Speaker 3: Because I had gotten really tired of him calling me

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Speaker 2: Ohh whah, whoa whoa whoa whoa white white, he wouldn't

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Speaker 3: No, that's why he was calling me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then what is he talking about? She destroyed her

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Speaker 3: She did, event because I had stopped picking up every time,

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Speaker 3: and he got frustrated eventually and said I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: So when in this trip did he start screaming into

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Speaker 3: As soon as I said no that I didn't want

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Speaker 2: Did you ever make it to the spice market fifteen

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Speaker 3: Not with Manta. I went back later on on my own.

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Speaker 2: How did she act when she could see him calling

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Speaker 3: She apologized and I said that's not normal, And she

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Speaker 1: Worry about going to the spice market.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the gender reveal had already happened. They knew they

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Speaker 3: Nothing was going to stop her.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes that the harsh reality and the dichotomy

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Speaker 2: that moment. Could I see that moment where they're having

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Speaker 2: looked so happy together. Nadia Navarro question, did he the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was there.

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Speaker 1: And how did they sing?

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Speaker 2: Because in the photos they looked so happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they seemed fine, more focused on the party. There

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Speaker 2: In the last days, damning bodycam video has emerged. Now

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Speaker 2: when I say damning, there's not a confession in this,

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Speaker 8: Listen, she lost you know, maybe she said, like you

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Speaker 6: Down, and she like, Okay, you know I'm not gonna

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Speaker 8: So I don't know, Like I'm kind of okay. Well,

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Speaker 8: if if she does end up missing, just call us

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Speaker 4: It would be a good idea to contact people that

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Speaker 1: Okay, what are the police actually buying this?

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Speaker 2: Apparently because they say, well, okay, if she didn't show up,

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Speaker 1: What number one he didn't call to start with? He's

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Speaker 2: Dave?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely it was her. It was people at work that

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very concerned.

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Speaker 2: The police basically say, hey, it'd be a great idea

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Speaker 2: she leaves for six months, Uh, make to a make

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Speaker 1: Well, the last.

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Speaker 8: Listen, Legano very good, Legenold sins two months, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where our friends at WUSA nine. Now whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 2: whoa wait wait wait, he has asked, how's your relationship

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Speaker 1: Very good, very good.

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Speaker 2: One time we had an argument before before because you know,

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Speaker 2: John DELLATORI, that's why I love bodycam video.

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Speaker 1: That's why I love it.

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Speaker 2: When a suspect, a person of interest, a witness is

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Speaker 2: caught in lies. These inconsistencies aren't just mix up their

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Speaker 4: No, they can't. And I think what we're seeing are

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Speaker 4: elements of coercive control that we see with individuals who

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Speaker 2: You know, another issue caught on bodycam video and caught

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Wendy Patrick, trying cases is not easy.

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Speaker 2: If you want to win, if you want a verdict

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Speaker 1: Over literally every word. But Windy Patrick, I want you

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Speaker 8: We don't have any type of that.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 8: It was like normal day, like other Lar days, just

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Speaker 2: And okay, wait a minute, that's from our friends at

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Speaker 2: WUSA nine. He just said, Wendy, everything was fine. It

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Speaker 1: Then she didn't.

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Speaker 2: Show up for work. That doesn't even make sense. He

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Speaker 2: never called to report her missing. People at work after

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that is one of the biggest problems with this statement, Nancy,

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Speaker 12: and especially when you look at the way he appears

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Speaker 12: to be so cooperative but not concerned. Nobody's going to

445
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Speaker 12: be able to relate to that. Everybody would be absolutely

446
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Speaker 12: on the phone with the police.

447
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Speaker 1: That'd be going through the you.

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Speaker 12: Know, all the phone records and every if you have

449
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Speaker 12: a loved one gone missing, especially if there hadn't been

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Speaker 12: any reason to suspect that she was about to leave,

451
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Speaker 12: which is one of the things he said in that

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Speaker 12: first statement.

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Speaker 3: So yes, you.

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Speaker 12: Prepare to look at all these inconsistencies, But then after

455
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Speaker 12: you've done that, you look at what would have been

456
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Speaker 12: a reasonable interpretation of that kind of a response if

457
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Speaker 12: somebody in fact didn't come home from a job, that

458
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Speaker 12: they hadn't missed a day, didn't come home to take

459
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Speaker 12: care of a toddler that they absolutely adored. Those are

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Speaker 12: the kinds of behaviors that no one can relate to.

461
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Speaker 12: So it's one thing to attempt to be cooperative with police.

462
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Speaker 12: It's quite another to be totally unconcerned and have a

463
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Speaker 12: story that not only is inconsistent but absolutely makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: While the search is on for a missing mom just

465
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Speaker 2: twenty eight years old.

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Speaker 1: When asked, her husband says he's the one who's suffering.

467
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Speaker 1: It's all about me. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 8: Guy, I'm the so further one. I'm the suffering my

470
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Speaker 8: baby and then myself, you know, like we are suffering

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Speaker 8: the most from.

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Speaker 2: Our friends at WUSA nine, Nadia Navarro, did you.

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Speaker 1: Hear that he's the one suffering?

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Speaker 2: For all he knows his wife is dead in a

475
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Speaker 2: ditch and he's the one suffering.

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Speaker 1: Is he always like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It makes you want to give him something to

478
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Speaker 3: actually suffer about.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to.

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Speaker 2: And I know, Nadia, and I learned this the hard

481
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Speaker 2: way in court that why doesn't really matter. But I'm

482
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Speaker 2: very intrigued with the dynamic of their relationship.

483
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Speaker 1: What did she see in him? Why did she stay

484
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Speaker 1: with him?

485
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Speaker 2: If everything is about him and he keeps talking about

486
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Speaker 2: well she's a nurse, it sounds like he's jealous.

487
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean he didn't have any degrees of his own.

489
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: He didn't. He couldn't even pass police academy. He failed that.

490
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Speaker 3: And I mean he was working at a gas station

491
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: before he got the job that he says he had

492
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 3: in cybersecurity, which is a certificate. And Mamta is smart

493
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: and hard working and much younger than he is, so

494
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: he knew that under normal circumstances, she's not the kind

495
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: of person that he would be able to marry. But

496
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: because it was arranged it, you know, and it's their culture,

497
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: he was able to marry someone beautiful, smart, educated, and

498
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: she was way out of his league. It made him jealous.

499
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: It made him feel inferior, and he would do anything

500
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Speaker 3: he could to make her feel less than. He would

501
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: comment on her weight, he would compare her to other women.

502
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: He would compare her to me in front of us, He.

503
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: Compare her to you, like what.

504
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: One time we were doing each other's makeup and Mama

505
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: face timed him to show him her makeup, and I

506
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: was sitting out of the camera, but she just you know.

507
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: He was like, oh, did you do Nadias, and he said,

508
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: she said yes, and Mama pulled me over into the

509
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: into the screen and he goes, Nadia, you're so beautiful.

510
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 3: You're like an A plus. And then he looked at

511
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: mompt and he goes, Mamda, you're like a C minus.

512
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Speaker 1: Nannia. That makes me want to cry.

513
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did cry.

514
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: How did she respond when he said that?

515
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: She smiled? And they hung up, and she ran out

516
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: of the room and I followed her and she was crying,

517
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: and she told me that it was in the first

518
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: time he said something like that, and I told her

519
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: that she was beautiful.

520
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: Doctor Delatoy, I don't understand that how the husband can

521
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: be so cruel and demeaning to the wife when she's

522
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: so clearly, as Nadia said, out of his league, way

523
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: out of his league.

524
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Speaker 4: It's gross, it's disgusting. This man is less than human.

525
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: But this isn't something that's wholly unique. We often see

526
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 4: these kinds of comments, these kinds of behaviors from known

527
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: domestic and intimate partner abusers. We often see these kinds

528
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: of comments being made by men who believe women are

529
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 4: somehow second class citizens. There's a lot of issues that

530
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: go on within our society and within each individual that

531
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: makes them believe that they are somehow better. And if someone,

532
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: especially a woman, has more power and more agency, then

533
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 4: that man is going to do whatever he can to

534
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: undermine it. This is pretty common domestic and intimate partner

535
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: violence type issues that needs to be addressed by men

536
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: towards other men.

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00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 13: July thirty first, Nurshbat is caught on camera at a

538
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Speaker 13: Walmart in Louden County purchasing cleaning supplies, carpet cleaner, lights,

539
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 13: al disinfectant wipes, and Little Trees air fresheners. He later

540
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 13: tells police he last saw Mamta on this day. August first,

541
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Speaker 13: Mamta's phone battery dies. Its last location is in Loudon

542
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 13: County near a body of water. August second, police conduct

543
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 13: a welfare check at the bot residence. Nurshbat tells officers

544
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Speaker 13: that Mamta is visiting a sister in New York or Texas.

545
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 13: According to prosecutors, the Commonwealth knows of this being a

546
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 13: family friend, not a biological sister, as all of Mamta's

547
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Speaker 13: family is in Nepal. Narashbat also tell officers that the

548
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 13: couple was in the process of separating.

549
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Brians Gibbons joining me, Director Operations USPA

550
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: Nationwide Security. His specialty is finding missing people. How can

551
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: the phone ping when he said she destroyed her phone.

552
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a huge inconsistency. So you have Narasch telling

553
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 10: police at his door that the last time he saw

554
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 10: Mamta was either on Tuesday or Wednesday, the twenty ninth

555
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Speaker 10: or thirtieth.

556
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Speaker 4: All right, now we.

557
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Speaker 10: Fast forward and see that her end that she destroyed

558
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 10: her phone. Then fast forward August first, and this is

559
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Speaker 10: something that you can't fake. There's a ping in Loudun

560
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 10: County in Aldi, Virginia, about fifteen to twenty five miles

561
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Speaker 10: to the north of Manassas, where we see Mamta's phone appear.

562
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Speaker 2: Dave Matt, what can you tell me about a reciprocating saw,

563
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: a hand held reciprocating.

564
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Speaker 7: Well, we know that when investigators had the opportunity to

565
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 7: go in and start looking around the home, they found

566
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Speaker 7: a number of items that jumped out at the MONEU.

567
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 7: In particular, though, was the reciprocating saw. This is a

568
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Speaker 7: saw that you hold with one hand while you hold

569
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Speaker 7: like a pipe or a PBC pipe or a small

570
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 7: limb or something along those lines, as you cut cuts

571
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Speaker 7: in a straight line. It would be something that would

572
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 7: catch your attention if you're an investigator and you notice

573
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 7: that it has something on it that quite possibly maybe blood.

574
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Speaker 1: Two.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns now joining us special guest Chief Medical

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Speaker 2: Examiner Terran County. That's Fort Worth, a steamed lecturer at

577
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU.

578
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns.

579
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Speaker 2: In your line of business, having performed literally thousands of autopsies,

580
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: you have dealt with handheld reciprocating saws on many occasions.

581
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: Please advise tell us what you can.

582
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 14: Reciprocating saws are used for a number of tasks that

584
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Speaker 14: can be used for demolition, cutting through wood, metal pipes,

585
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Speaker 14: and then they're also used in the meat processing in

586
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Speaker 14: industry where they'll cut through the bones of cattle or

587
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 14: deer or whatever you're processing. I have my personal reciprocating

588
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 14: saw here at my office. What it is is it's

589
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 14: a blade. They can come in different shapes and sizes,

590
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Speaker 14: and then that you move back and forth, cutting through

591
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 14: a tissue or bone or wood or whatever you're cutting

592
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Speaker 14: through in a very quick manner.

593
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Speaker 2: If that were used on Manta, I would expect a

594
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: lot of DNA evidence why to be found around the home.

595
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Speaker 14: Sure, because these saws are not precision instruments there to

596
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 14: just cut through things and destroy things.

597
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 10: So when the.

598
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Speaker 14: Blade is moving through something quickly that actually they spray wood, chips, tissue,

599
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 14: blood everywhere. It'll get all over the saw, over your hands,

600
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Speaker 14: They'll get in the vents, It'll get everywhere.

601
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Speaker 2: Tammy Ballard joining US crime scene consultant and law enforcement

602
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: liaison with authorm Labs. She is a DNA criminalist in

603
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: the San fran Police Department Crime Lab. Tammy, again, thank

604
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: you for being with us. To me, that would be

605
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: a treasure trove for scientists like yourself crime scene analysts.

606
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: Why is it people still think in this day and

607
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: age that just because they can't see blood spatter or

608
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: missed with the naked eye, that you, Tammy Ballard, can't

609
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: find it.

610
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: What would you expect to find in this home?

611
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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I'm glad that they don't think

612
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 9: about that, so that it makes my job easier when

613
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 9: I am looking for something, so or really something that's

614
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 9: left behind can be either visibly detected or if we

615
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 9: can use something like luminol, some sort of chemical agent

616
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 9: that can show where they've tried to clean up. That's

617
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 9: that's usually used in this situation like this, So it's

618
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 9: great evidence potential. And I can't really ever think of

619
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 9: a scene where I didn't find something left behind. So

620
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Speaker 9: cleaning up is very, very difficult. Unless you come from

621
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Speaker 9: a DNA background, you're probably going to leave something behind.

622
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: Jammy, where do you find DNA? What spots do you

623
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: find it? Where a perp typically thinks he's cleaned it

624
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: all up, Where can it actually be found?

625
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 9: I actually worked a case like this for several years

626
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 9: until we've found owned our victim floating in the jetty

627
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 9: in San Diego. I did carpet analysis. I did analysis

628
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 9: from all kinds of items in the house and generally

629
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Speaker 9: so in that situation, they got a carpet cleaner. You're

630
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 9: pushing that blood down. Blood is very hard to get

631
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Speaker 9: rid of. It wicks into different you know, fabrics and materials,

632
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 9: so you can find it pretty much everywhere, and as

633
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 9: has already been mentioned, that's a really messy tool. So

634
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 9: you're going to have things going all over the place

635
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 9: that not everybody is going to think of unless this

636
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 9: is your normal job to find these kinds of things.

637
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 9: Things on the ceiling from these types of crimes they

638
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 9: did just generally gets overlooked. Things down low to the grounds,

639
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 9: like I said, wicking and things in the carpet. These

640
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 9: are all great places to find something, even if they

641
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 9: think that they've cleaned it up.

642
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 5: Spoke to the husband here.

643
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: They're going through a divorce that she lift for.

644
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: Which New York. Uh So, yeah, her employer. Her employer

645
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 4: called and asking just just called us to check if

646
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: she was okay.

647
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: So that's why we're here. We don't need to bother you.

648
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: That's fine.

649
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 8: She's supposed to be there, you know, usually like I

650
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 8: don't know, I can shake, you know, like where she goes.

651
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: Okay to Nadia Navarro joining us. Nadia a very dear

652
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: friend of Mamta's.

653
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: Number one. Where is baby Nina right now?

654
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Speaker 3: She's with family and very close friends.

655
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Speaker 2: What do you make Nadia of the fact that Mamta

656
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: has not been found.

657
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: I think that Narash did a lot of reading and

658
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: a lot of research, and by the time that people

659
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: were looking, the police were looking. You know, the trash,

660
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: the dumpsters had already been taken away, and I guess considerated,

661
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: I know it would be really, really hard to find

662
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Speaker 3: her at this point.

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Speaker 2: When you see, for instance, doctor Kendall Crown's holding up

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Speaker 2: a reciprocating saw and think of Mamta, what goes through

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Speaker 2: your mind?

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Speaker 15: It's I can't imagine, it's overwhelming, it.

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Speaker 2: It's too much, Naddie. I want to find her. I

668
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: want to find even part of her, because after what

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Speaker 2: Dave mac and Timmy Ballard and doctor Kendall Crowns have

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Speaker 2: told us, I am now convinced that mam To was

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Speaker 2: murdered and dismembered. And all I can do now is

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00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 2: try to find.

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Speaker 1: Whatever is left of her.

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Speaker 2: For Nima, so that someday Nima will have a grave

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Speaker 2: to go to or an urn to hold on to.

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00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: That's all Nima will ever have of her mother, and

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Speaker 2: she won't have that if we can't find Mamta.

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Speaker 3: We all are desperate to find her. We've been desperate

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00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: since we knew she was gone. I've been out of

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00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: my mind since I knew that she was gone. I

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Speaker 3: couldn't have ever fathomed something like this. I did think

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Speaker 3: he hurt her, not like this.

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Speaker 2: Did she ever have a fear, Nadia, that he would

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00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: kill her?

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Speaker 3: It was so trusting, and she saw that good in everybody,

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Speaker 3: So no, she wouldn't have. She always thought that he

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Speaker 3: was and she maintained that she loved him, and uh

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Speaker 3: that she saw good in him.

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Speaker 2: At this hour, the husband, not esh Bot, has been

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Speaker 2: charged with murder, although legal eagles say it'll never stick

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Speaker 2: without a body.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything.

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Speaker 2: As siding something, he said anything to help us find mom.

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Speaker 2: To please dial seven zero three three six one one

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Speaker 2: one three six repeat seven zero three three six one

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Speaker 2: one one three six.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Goodbye him

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Speaker 15: Bo