Speaker 1: You are now listening to Waiting on Reparations production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. What is happening? My name is Dope Knife,
Speaker 1: I'm Lincola Franca, and we are Waiting on Reparations. We
Speaker 1: have a very special guest with us again. I've brought
Speaker 1: back my homie who guested it for us when Mariah
Speaker 1: was taking some time off. He is the ex Army ranger,
Speaker 1: cool dad and commentator himself, my homie John Hannah. What's
Speaker 1: happening John? What's been the highlight of your week? Man? Uh?
Speaker 1: My kid finishing up some antibiotic grounds and rappings the presents.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, are you doing the whole Are you doing
Speaker 1: the whole family thing? First of all? Like, like, you know,
Speaker 1: just just so that week and our our guests can
Speaker 1: be a little of you know, climate to you. Why
Speaker 1: don't you just tell him about yourself? Oh no, no, job,
Speaker 1: these mothers know you already. Yeah. I'm a former Army ranger,
Speaker 1: but currently I mostly surfing, take care of my two kids,
Speaker 1: Zoe and Avery. That's my day. How's your week, Marien? Um,
Speaker 1: it's been good. This is my first couple of days
Speaker 1: of vacation. I'm taking two eggs off of commissioning to
Speaker 1: sort of recharge because that ship will beat the hell
Speaker 1: out of you. Um And so yeah, I'm just kicking
Speaker 1: back rewatching the Matrix trilogy in preparations for the new film,
Speaker 1: which I'm very excited about. You I see that, I
Speaker 1: see that. That's that's scrooge E look on your face, sir,
Speaker 1: What do you I mean? I don't know, man, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I don't like hating on anything that I
Speaker 1: haven't seen, so I'm gonna refrain from passing down any
Speaker 1: sort of judgment. But you know, I'm like a Matrix stam.
Speaker 1: I was. I was one of those weirdos back in
Speaker 1: high school where I honestly could sit down and just
Speaker 1: pantomime the entire movie for you, like in person, with
Speaker 1: all the pauses and the beats and the dialogue and
Speaker 1: like inflections like I was. I was nutsle with him
Speaker 1: like that. So I can't nobody downplay my Matrix bona Fetus.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it looks you know what,
Speaker 1: It doesn't look bad to me. It just looks like
Speaker 1: a regular movie. And that's what has me feeling like,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like if you put everybody in
Speaker 1: the like just from looking at the trailer, if everybody
Speaker 1: was dressed as Iron Man in Captain America, it would
Speaker 1: look like a Marble movie. And that's that's what's gotta be. Like,
Speaker 1: got your little shook, Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it'll
Speaker 1: be I'm sure it'll be dope. Now, will it be
Speaker 1: like the matrix to sound like some nerd like, Well, actually,
Speaker 1: I just I just don't know how matrix I want
Speaker 1: to say, I don't know. I don't know how the
Speaker 1: new one's going to be. But the old ones hold up.
Speaker 1: God's running around doing karate and computer ship. Everybody got
Speaker 1: the slim little sunglasses on. Cornell West is in the
Speaker 1: second one. I don't know if y'all remember that, remember that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in that ship. That's probably my first like where
Speaker 1: I first started hearing about Cornell West. The corporate goons
Speaker 1: are the bad guys. Love that, And then you get
Speaker 1: to the Resistance underground and it's all steam punkin and
Speaker 1: like everybody's all tribal and ship. It's beautiful. Dude. They
Speaker 1: couldn't they couldn't have just like done a little bit
Speaker 1: of tweak to the wardrobe though, I mean, Kanus straight
Speaker 1: up looked like then they came to the from the
Speaker 1: John Wick for shoot on his lunch break to go,
Speaker 1: they were just like, Yo, you don't even gotta bother
Speaker 1: to cut your hair, cab. It was like, Yo, where'd
Speaker 1: you get those clothes? The matrix? Every time he box
Speaker 1: on a John Wicks set, they just everybody's just biting
Speaker 1: their tongue wanting to say it, but they can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's Kanu not just the same character in every film.
Speaker 1: He just walks from set to set wearing the same
Speaker 1: fucking flowing black robe and sunglasses and just like I know,
Speaker 1: like same, like you know intonation lists, just staring with
Speaker 1: his mouth slightly cave. There's an analogy I always like
Speaker 1: to make Wick Keanu is. I would always say Keyana
Speaker 1: Reeves is the Nellie of actors because he's not really
Speaker 1: that good, but most of the joints that he's inter dope. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's like the same way with Nellie.
Speaker 1: It's like somebody could Benchermon like, oh I don't like
Speaker 1: his style, he's not using enough bars, and that might
Speaker 1: be true to you, but like hot in here Ei,
Speaker 1: like all that ship was dope. So people can like
Speaker 1: shoot out canaries and be like he doesn't have range.
Speaker 1: He plays the same character, but literally at least for
Speaker 1: the last few years or so. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'd say his his ratio is about fifty fifty. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I think for like each one
Speaker 1: that you don't remember, there's like John Wick or like,
Speaker 1: oh man, he was in the Matrix. Oh he was
Speaker 1: in that one. You know. So Cannery's batting averages for
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna see. I'm just gonna shut up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see it. It looks cool, you know, let's
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah. Actually, I need to bring back the
Speaker 1: Green Tent. And then I'm kind of nervous. There's only
Speaker 1: one of the only one with Chowski. I need. I
Speaker 1: need both with Chowskis on my movies, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like we have both of them on speed Racer,
Speaker 1: we have both of them on the first three Batrix.
Speaker 1: I want both of them on this one. But we
Speaker 1: gotta take make do what we got. So yeah, speaking
Speaker 1: of making do and what we got, we got a
Speaker 1: lot of different things to talk about this week. We're
Speaker 1: gonna just kind of go through some of the recent
Speaker 1: happenings from Obama's music picks of the year to some
Speaker 1: ship going down in Latin America. We're talking about what's
Speaker 1: going on Fox News and potential coop coop coop. I
Speaker 1: remember the first time I ever read the word coop
Speaker 1: and I said it out loud, dumb, and somebody made
Speaker 1: fun of me like I never said, I never said
Speaker 1: that word before. I'm sorry, I don't know I didn't
Speaker 1: have have silent p on the end. But anyway, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have all that and more for y'all after the jump.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, we are back with our pre holiday
Speaker 1: is are we gonna? Are we gonna be back before
Speaker 1: New Year's Um? I mean we can. I was playing
Speaker 1: doing an episode next week, Okay, yeah, so then yeah,
Speaker 1: well I guess we'll be back pre neier. But we
Speaker 1: are going to be doing this before Christmas. So as
Speaker 1: we get ready for the Christmas cheer, we're gonna run
Speaker 1: down some very depressing story, so depressing news stories for y'all.
Speaker 1: Just give our thoughts about it. So first up, Mariah,
Speaker 1: what you got? Okay? So, I mean this is perhaps
Speaker 1: the source of cheer to some Obama put out his
Speaker 1: annual list of his favorite songs from the year went
Speaker 1: Admittedly to me, feels a little bit tone death in
Speaker 1: the face of, you know, the mas and miseration we
Speaker 1: as a society are facing at the this pinnacle of
Speaker 1: late stage capitalism. So what do you have? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like Nobody by Nas and Lauren Hill, which I
Speaker 1: personally thought was a banger. Montero my Little not X
Speaker 1: also a banger. Head Shots I'd say ever Shot also
Speaker 1: a banger. Um a Ventura by Bad Bunny was up there. So, like,
Speaker 1: you know, his his taste runs the gamut. I think
Speaker 1: it's something for which he's very proud and tends to
Speaker 1: boast this time of everywhere here like, oh, I'm so worldly.
Speaker 1: It wasn't all the ship. But I mean, why, like
Speaker 1: why do I first of all, why do you all
Speaker 1: think he does this over here? I think that I
Speaker 1: think it's like some pr stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's considering that he's been doing it consistently
Speaker 1: since his left office. It's one of those sort of
Speaker 1: things that you can make like a press release about
Speaker 1: and you know it just it continues on the quote
Speaker 1: unquote legacy or the myth of Obama and just you know,
Speaker 1: maintains his cultural if I don't think, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I just don't think he wants to end
Speaker 1: up on a ranch doing paintings for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life. You know what I'm saying. They don't have
Speaker 1: a good track record. This is his that, this is
Speaker 1: his that Yeah, yeah, I do. I do gotta say, though,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's I think it's lame to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, especially for what he for what
Speaker 1: it for, what it is now, because it is kind
Speaker 1: of like a taste, a taste making playlist for you know,
Speaker 1: like liberal the liberal masses to follow Obama. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it seems like it would be iller if
Speaker 1: he used it like Oprah used to use her her
Speaker 1: book club list. You remember that, You remember how like
Speaker 1: like like off writers who hadn't yet broken nationally would
Speaker 1: kind of like that would be their thing, like oh man,
Speaker 1: like Oper included me on her on her book that.
Speaker 1: So it would be kind of cool if the list
Speaker 1: was filled with I'm not talking about like super super
Speaker 1: little motherfucker's like me or anything like that, if I
Speaker 1: just mean, you know, like some not like the most popular,
Speaker 1: if the if the three random things that you read
Speaker 1: out are like some of the most popular artists in
Speaker 1: the world, it just seems kind of I don't know, though,
Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party, it's kind of ballsy. Like imagine
Speaker 1: Hillary if Hillary Clinton came out with that list, Clinton
Speaker 1: coming out with bud In, Isaia Shot and Little Not definitely,
Speaker 1: but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think I wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe her. I mean, like I've got hot sauce in
Speaker 1: my hand. That's what I wouldn't believe for like something
Speaker 1: consultant like handing her a list of songs that she's
Speaker 1: supposed to like. So then we do are we all? Then?
Speaker 1: Are we all sitting here thinking that that Obama is
Speaker 1: actually like oh man, I bumped Isaiah shot in bad Buddy.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I hate to think that it's
Speaker 1: so dry. It just sounds like an elevator in his house.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like that's wrong. I don't
Speaker 1: know Obama I would I don't know. I would be
Speaker 1: shocked if just like if if you could be like
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall, I would be shocked if
Speaker 1: Michelle in in Obama aren't listening to you know, late
Speaker 1: late eighties early nineties type stuff, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: like Obama is like, yo, I'll make huge. Yeah you're
Speaker 1: fifty that you you know, it makes sense that you're
Speaker 1: you know that you're you're bumping like maybe you're looking
Speaker 1: for the new post and didn't go some styles peace
Speaker 1: that dropped something, you know like that. That to me
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, that's what was out when Obama was
Speaker 1: in his like late twenties and early thirties and trip
Speaker 1: like that. Like, I don't think Obama's listening to a
Speaker 1: bad buddy, but that's just me. Well, what I found
Speaker 1: really interesting about this list is that it also um
Speaker 1: featured an anti communist joint that we talked about actually
Speaker 1: on our Cuba episode. It's called Patria Vida Evita Um,
Speaker 1: which is if you recall, list has never recalled the
Speaker 1: titles a twist and a slogan popularized by Fidel Castro
Speaker 1: in the n Revolution of Patriot Fatherland or death. And
Speaker 1: so these anti communist rappers, some of them were expats,
Speaker 1: you know, living in Miami or whatever, trained to sprays
Speaker 1: into Patria Vita Fatherland and life calling for an end
Speaker 1: to the socialist government in Cuba. And some folks have
Speaker 1: said that this track is even like a CIA plant.
Speaker 1: There's actually a long history of the CIA using arts
Speaker 1: to to destabilize or undermine left wing governments, including in Cuba.
Speaker 1: UM and so I just thought it was really funny
Speaker 1: um on their particularly considering, you know, under his presidency policy,
Speaker 1: relations between the US and Cuba relaxed. Um they left
Speaker 1: the travel restrictions. UM. Yeah, reopen their respective embassies and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. UM. And I actually learned that all
Speaker 1: of that was facilitated by Pope Francis. I don't know
Speaker 1: if y'all know a lot about Grope Francis. I don't
Speaker 1: know a lot about most popes, but I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that Pope Francis is probably my favorite. UM.
Speaker 1: In his speeches, he's like endorsed you b I and
Speaker 1: like urged like a radical response to climate change. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so he was like, yo, Obama have then like y'all
Speaker 1: need a fucking chill with the embargo on ship and
Speaker 1: star stuff started getting better. But nonetheless, Uh, it's got
Speaker 1: this this joint on his favorite list. Um that may
Speaker 1: have been that may have been you know, like some
Speaker 1: way crafted by the C. I I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think it's definitely politically motivated in my opinion, because, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like Republicans are making some inroads with the
Speaker 1: Latino demographic for various reasons. Very good point, but one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that that you know, that I've been
Speaker 1: hearing is, oh, you know, a lot of especially older Latinos,
Speaker 1: they have like they're they're they're they're more susceptible to
Speaker 1: the right wing propaganda about socialism and communism and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So I think that this, you know, this
Speaker 1: could be you know, virtues like hey, we're anti communists.
Speaker 1: I know, I think I'm thinking of the Brazil episode.
Speaker 1: But I just remember that part icular song, like I
Speaker 1: remember that ship being hard as fun. It is kind
Speaker 1: of the music video already, Like it's actually pretty like
Speaker 1: it's somewhat of a banger. Yeah, it's see now that one.
Speaker 1: Whether it's about communists or not, that ship sounds like
Speaker 1: some ship that Barack Obama was listening to him. Ok,
Speaker 1: you know what, Like that sounds like some dusty some
Speaker 1: dusty boom bout. Although I mean it sounds like a
Speaker 1: response like do you remember in Seen when it looked
Speaker 1: like Bernie was going to take the nomination, and you
Speaker 1: had every large donor go on every news station saying
Speaker 1: I wish he would just drop the socialist part. And
Speaker 1: I feel like they have gotten scared, Like that's a
Speaker 1: scary proposition if I can't make the younger people kind
Speaker 1: of like glom onto capitalism as it sits and they
Speaker 1: start revolting. You have Black Lives Matter talking about police issues,
Speaker 1: you have ant all the anti fascist movements for clear reasons.
Speaker 1: I don't know, this seems like a bid for the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party at least maybe maybe not consciously. I mean,
Speaker 1: i'd like to think it was. He seems like a
Speaker 1: tactician in that way, right, He's like the Captain American President.
Speaker 1: For me, I think it's like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. Like I think there's an
Speaker 1: element of it that is, like, you know, kind of oblivious, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fluffy playlist and ship like that.
Speaker 1: But I would not put it past them to be
Speaker 1: to have that in consideration. I mean, it was it
Speaker 1: was a big it was a relative. It's a relatively
Speaker 1: popular song, you know what I mean. It was something
Speaker 1: that came up in me and Mariah search As when
Speaker 1: we were talking about Cuba, you know, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see that well. Speaking of toppling left wing governments,
Speaker 1: um uh, there is a presidential election in Chile, um
Speaker 1: Sunday and Gabriel Borick, a leftist millennial who were roast
Speaker 1: a prominence during anti government protests in two thousand nineteen.
Speaker 1: They like hiked the subway fairs all across Tile and
Speaker 1: people lost it and they were like mass protests all
Speaker 1: over Chili's tule. So he like kind of came up
Speaker 1: and all that. He got elected with of the votes,
Speaker 1: handily defeating uh Jose Antonio cost whose grandfather was an
Speaker 1: actual Nazi like like like one of the one of
Speaker 1: the like we fled to South America Nazis. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like high up in like the Nazi military. Uh never,
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah and yeah. And so it's in
Speaker 1: the aftermath of the election. It's been wild watching outlets
Speaker 1: like the BBC like interview folks like the grandson of
Speaker 1: Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet on their networks, and he's on
Speaker 1: there talking about all the downfall of his great country,
Speaker 1: like to which I say, l M A O fuck um.
Speaker 1: But then one article I read even tried to say
Speaker 1: that like Chilean Jews were concerned about Boricks pro Palestine
Speaker 1: stands even though and I repeat, his opponent's grandfather was
Speaker 1: an actual Nazi um and not to mention, Chile has
Speaker 1: the largest Palestinian population of any place outside Palestine. So
Speaker 1: like it's just so funny, like people are just so
Speaker 1: trying so hard to discredit him doing a really poor
Speaker 1: job because it's like, bro, like Homie was a Nazi.
Speaker 1: You're you're up here dragging out like his the Pinochet's
Speaker 1: grandchildren from like the basement. Uh right, you have to
Speaker 1: do one or two things. You have to give something
Speaker 1: to most people that they did they like and cherish,
Speaker 1: which is really hard to get through any congressional body,
Speaker 1: no matter what country you're in, unless you're a dictator
Speaker 1: or you take away something and blame it on the
Speaker 1: other guy. That's pretty much how we do it here.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of simplified. But people's brains, I
Speaker 1: don't know, people's brains be turning into because it's like
Speaker 1: look for no for real, man, like come on, like
Speaker 1: like just what is the explanation for that? Like like
Speaker 1: how like what what cognitance? What dissidence is going on
Speaker 1: to where you're like, oh man, you're supporting Palestine and
Speaker 1: the other Niggas and Nazi you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: or like you know, related to Nazi. Just there's just
Speaker 1: there's like a there's like a level of intellectual dishonest
Speaker 1: that it's like I don't believe you. I don't believe
Speaker 1: that that's what you're problem is, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like like if somebody's like, oh man, I don't like
Speaker 1: him because he's he's against Israel, but then you're supporting
Speaker 1: the other guy, then I just have to like think
Speaker 1: that you're being disingenuous from the job. You might like
Speaker 1: really actually not like the guy for you know, leftist
Speaker 1: policies or whatever whatever. But I don't think that aspect
Speaker 1: of the game is really what's upsetting. Does that make sense? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I feel like somebody like they
Speaker 1: were told to write this or felt like they were
Speaker 1: they had to like kind of uphold the status quo
Speaker 1: of like, you know, our country lots of country supporting
Speaker 1: is real, and like they came back to the editor
Speaker 1: like I don't know, man, I'm not sure if this
Speaker 1: is making sense. They're like, no, we gotta run it.
Speaker 1: Let's run it, like, don't ask you know, don't ask
Speaker 1: you questions, don't actually apply any logic to what you
Speaker 1: have written down on this piece of paper. Run it's
Speaker 1: see the headline and just retweeted or whatever, like oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah that And maybe we'll do a whole
Speaker 1: episode because the history of like left wing like democracy
Speaker 1: democracy in Chile is very interesting. Um, but I won't
Speaker 1: get all into it now, but hey, we should, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking this just reminded me, and since
Speaker 1: we're just talking and just gonna talk, we should do
Speaker 1: an episode about China's growing influence on the continent of Africa. Oh, bro,
Speaker 1: that ship is fascinating. I was doing some reading about
Speaker 1: that too, because when I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: growing up just in different countries in Africa and stuff,
Speaker 1: I would always you know, see, there was always like
Speaker 1: a military relationship between some of the governments and Israel.
Speaker 1: So you know, I like my first actual real girlfriend
Speaker 1: was like an Israeli and her father was like an
Speaker 1: Israeli military guy, and I always used to seeing Israeli officers,
Speaker 1: you know, patrolling along with Liberian or African police or
Speaker 1: um training them and stuff like that. And now I
Speaker 1: think it seems like China's kind of in in the
Speaker 1: last few decades. It seems seems like China's overtaking that
Speaker 1: role to where they're doing a lot of that training,
Speaker 1: a lot of that infrastructure investment and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously nobody's given anything for free, so
Speaker 1: you would imagine that there's some sort of, uh, whether
Speaker 1: it be political or economic interest in it for China,
Speaker 1: but it just it seems like they're going into hyper
Speaker 1: drive with it. And you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of infrastructure projects and going on in Africa
Speaker 1: right now that are totally cool and seemed totally you
Speaker 1: know cool, and it's like, oh man, that's like a
Speaker 1: that damn is a Chinese investment. I wonder, I wonder
Speaker 1: what what's what they're getting out of that, But that's
Speaker 1: something that we can go into. It's just so we're
Speaker 1: talking about, yeah, stuff for the new year. Um So
Speaker 1: back to Obama. What do y'all think about Obama's legacy? Generally,
Speaker 1: it's a it's gonna be a mixed bag, you know.
Speaker 1: It's um, I think it's it's still too fresh to
Speaker 1: really put into full perspective. You know, the homies only
Speaker 1: not been president for four years right or through five years?
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I think from from anything from
Speaker 1: oh Trump came in the aftermath to you pretty much
Speaker 1: continued Bush's Iraq policy for a long ast time. You
Speaker 1: weren't strong enough, You didn't do enough when you have
Speaker 1: the super majority. There's a lot of tainted stuff in there,
Speaker 1: but I think there's enough platitudes too, had the stats
Speaker 1: that I think overall his legacy will be as favorable
Speaker 1: as an American president's Canada too. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: it's gonna I look at it favorably, mostly in comparison
Speaker 1: to now. I don't remember a lot about Clinton all
Speaker 1: except for reading like everybody else did. Right. Um, I
Speaker 1: think that Obama will be looked at super kind. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think he made some poor, poor military decisions and
Speaker 1: foreign policy decisions, and he was just real timid about
Speaker 1: making any large changes in the United States. And I
Speaker 1: think he was far too timid. He could have got
Speaker 1: away with a lot more, especially with the super majority
Speaker 1: in the beginning. But I mean, he acts like his
Speaker 1: hands were tied behind his back, like Biden's kind of are,
Speaker 1: but they weren't. I don't know, but that's also the
Speaker 1: congressional fault at that point. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: that's true. You generally have a very short window in
Speaker 1: which to accomplish anything when a party gains a majority
Speaker 1: in Congress, because almost in a dobly they lose that
Speaker 1: majority in the following mid terms. But it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I got into an argument, like on Facebook with this cat.
Speaker 1: I was like talking about Obama and this dude with
Speaker 1: like no profile, pick like six friends or some ship,
Speaker 1: jumped in. I was talking it on me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I don't even like the
Speaker 1: flex on niggas like this. But I went through and
Speaker 1: laid out all of my legislative accomplishments, including raising the
Speaker 1: minimum watricity employees in fifteen dollars an hour, and he
Speaker 1: was like, that ain't ship. And then I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. Wouldn't have been great if the most powerful
Speaker 1: person in the world from two thousand eight until two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen had done something about that issue. So
Speaker 1: I did, so we could be talking about twenty three
Speaker 1: dollars an hour today. And he didn't respond for some reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know why but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like Obama like I can first
Speaker 1: for his ass and I was like seventeen, you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't vote. I was like mad, like hype, and
Speaker 1: I feel like coming to understand some of the darker
Speaker 1: parts of his legacy as an older quote unquote older
Speaker 1: adult was like my Santa Claus moment of like when
Speaker 1: I was like seven and like saw the presence in
Speaker 1: my parents closet, was like what the hell he like
Speaker 1: become like turning twenty seven and being like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? Black wealth fell my under Obama? And like
Speaker 1: he didn't prosecute any of the people responsible for the wide,
Speaker 1: widespread admiseration of the American people given the two eight
Speaker 1: financial crisis. You mean to tell me none of those
Speaker 1: my fathers went to jail. The stith that you don't
Speaker 1: realize at the time. It's like a perfect storm for
Speaker 1: Obama because you know, like he I think he cracked
Speaker 1: that code of like a alright, so this is the
Speaker 1: sort of this is a sort of leftist tone that
Speaker 1: I gotta strike while I'm campaigning when he's actually more
Speaker 1: like an your liberal moderate and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: on his end, what was working to his disadvantage is
Speaker 1: like he's like he had to run kind of like Bernie,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, it's like it's if you weren't,
Speaker 1: if you weren't really like like paying attention to it,
Speaker 1: like you know, the way that we all might be
Speaker 1: paying attention to elections now and stuff like that. It's
Speaker 1: like I I remember, like following that election, like Obama
Speaker 1: was sounded like Bernie like while they were running, And
Speaker 1: I think that with that came a lot of expectations
Speaker 1: that he'd never had any intention of living up to,
Speaker 1: like mother Like Motherfucker's was really like, yo, dude, I
Speaker 1: bet you after the first year, he's gonna grow his
Speaker 1: after a while, you know what I mean. Like people
Speaker 1: were really having that sort of expectations in Obama, like
Speaker 1: he was about to come in there and like really
Speaker 1: in turntables over like I can't take this ship no more.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that ever was his intentions. So
Speaker 1: it's like, very early on in the presidency, there was
Speaker 1: like a you know what I mean, why, Well, if
Speaker 1: I've learned anything about governance is that the machine itself
Speaker 1: will moderate you. Like that's why I support pretty much
Speaker 1: the most left wing candidates I can at any time
Speaker 1: that I can, because I know that they won't actually
Speaker 1: be able to govern that way. That the machinery of
Speaker 1: of you know, the swamp of the legislature or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, even just the establishment within your own political
Speaker 1: party will break you and and push you into line.
Speaker 1: And so that comes as no surprise to me as
Speaker 1: Obama running kind of like a burniesque populist campaign and
Speaker 1: then ultimately like you know, getting shoehorned by Wall Street,
Speaker 1: getting uh kneecapped by the loss of the Democratic majority
Speaker 1: after the mid terms, after his um election, etcetera, etcetera. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like it's just it is what
Speaker 1: it is. Kind of you know what kind of gave
Speaker 1: him a lot of cover to is Um and Patrisa.
Speaker 1: Neil kind of had a had a bit like this
Speaker 1: back in the day. We're here talking about this, But
Speaker 1: I think like that was the beginning of the Republicans,
Speaker 1: like just like completely out in the open flirting with
Speaker 1: like just straight up white supremacy, racist ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it was there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like dog whistling and plausible deniability type of ship going on.
Speaker 1: But it's like when Obama got in. That's when it
Speaker 1: was like I accidentally came to work today in my kkknif.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys. So I think a lot of that
Speaker 1: shielded Barack Obama from criticism, because I know, even me
Speaker 1: back then was like, oh man, what the fund is
Speaker 1: this dude doing with the super majority? Fun these Democrats
Speaker 1: is messing up. But I'm not fun these Tea Party
Speaker 1: guys though, you know what I mean. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go with them too hard because the other
Speaker 1: motherfucker's got nooses at their rally, you know, yeah, right up.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this corroborated in the media, so y'all
Speaker 1: like if you have seen any sort of confirmation that
Speaker 1: this is true. This is like a wide bread leftist
Speaker 1: myth that Obama stepped in during the primaries to get
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Amy klobchar to drop out and
Speaker 1: endorse Biden so that Bernie could not you know, it
Speaker 1: was just like there's nothing he could do to stop
Speaker 1: the time. Okay, Like I hear about the phone call
Speaker 1: a lot, but it's like, I don't know, I haven't
Speaker 1: read any additional details on it. Um, Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: really it seems it seems like some ship that you
Speaker 1: would expect. But I know that's what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: it seems like some ship that you would expect, but
Speaker 1: that you can't just always lean on that. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: this makes sense to have happened. That's how you get
Speaker 1: like it makes sense that there's a microchip in the vaccine. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, I don't know, I would expect that,
Speaker 1: you know, any sort of like entrenched power in some
Speaker 1: sort of situation like that, they're gonna, you know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna pull out their their big guns at the end
Speaker 1: of the day when they when they felt like a
Speaker 1: it's like our guys gonna lose, they consolidated their power
Speaker 1: and they did they did what they had to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know that that sort of thing
Speaker 1: does never really personally, it doesn't really make me upset
Speaker 1: because it's what I would expect, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like if Bernie, if Bernie had a bigger or if
Speaker 1: if the if the leftist part of the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: had more influence and we're ingrained more in the infrastructure
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party, I would expect us to consolidate
Speaker 1: our power to and to stop establishments figures from gaining power.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just the ship is gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: at the bottom line, that ship is gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: It's like you can't. Yeah, on one hand, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't, like your rhetoric be man, the democratic establishment,
Speaker 1: the democratic establishment, the democratic establishment, and then when the
Speaker 1: democratic establishment does democratic I can't believe you guys would
Speaker 1: do that to me, Like what like no, Like no,
Speaker 1: They're they're gonna look after the Buddha judges. They're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna amplify the voices that they want. We're we're
Speaker 1: working at a disadvantage. We know that, so we know
Speaker 1: it's uphill battle. It's just it just comes down to
Speaker 1: whether you're like this, there's nothing we can do, or
Speaker 1: you're down to put in the fight. You know. I
Speaker 1: partially bring this up because I've recently seen comparisons for
Speaker 1: the way is that Obama wheels his influence over politics today,
Speaker 1: as in, you know, he made that phone call to
Speaker 1: stop Bernie, But where was his ass when earlier this
Speaker 1: week Joe Man killed Joe Biden's signature piece of legislator,
Speaker 1: Like where like Obama could have Where was that where
Speaker 1: is that phone call? He was Obama was doing the
Speaker 1: same thing that he does exactly when when it's like that,
Speaker 1: that motherfucker just comes up, like the week before an election.
Speaker 1: It's like, you guys, another two years and so and
Speaker 1: so with that, I will pivot to discussing build back
Speaker 1: Better and the fact it's fucking debt. So is it
Speaker 1: officially dead? So Joe mentioned announced just as the Senate
Speaker 1: was closing up shot for the year that he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be supporting the current iteration of the Build Back Better bill,
Speaker 1: effectively dooming it. I mean, it could re animates in
Speaker 1: the new year, but nothing like it, you know, with
Speaker 1: even more reduced provisions that are currently in it. You know,
Speaker 1: it contained extension of the child child tax credit, produced
Speaker 1: prescription costs, covered hearing benefits, and medicaid, huge investment, affordable housing,
Speaker 1: so like it could come back with less of all
Speaker 1: of that, but for now, already less of it was
Speaker 1: already less of a bunch of stuff to begin with.
Speaker 1: That it was already down to ten trillion dollars to
Speaker 1: one point seven. So that's pretty bleak um, I mean,
Speaker 1: so okay, So and maybe maybe Maria you can help
Speaker 1: shed or help clarify this. Um So, how much of
Speaker 1: this should heads be blaming Joe Mansion, Kristen Cinema or whatever,
Speaker 1: and how much of this should uh, you know, rightfully
Speaker 1: go to general Democrat fecklessness. So yeah, I was having
Speaker 1: this discussion with some of the other day that was
Speaker 1: bitching about Joe Manchin, Joe Manono mansion, and I honestly
Speaker 1: see this as a systemic failure. This is the failure
Speaker 1: of Chuck Schumer to break some motherfucking kneecaps. This is
Speaker 1: a failure of Joe Biden. They put out like this
Speaker 1: excoriating statement like fun this nigga, he said all this
Speaker 1: ship hit about. You know, the thing came out about
Speaker 1: him saying people are using the child text credit to
Speaker 1: buy drugs, which like, if you are having kids as
Speaker 1: hard if you got smoke, you need to relax when
Speaker 1: that baby is just like, I don't think he's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all I think it's a false premise, but it's
Speaker 1: like I think that he's trying to project something stronger
Speaker 1: than weed. Well, of course he's also the motherfucker that
Speaker 1: wakes up on a yacht and drives past his constituents
Speaker 1: begging on their knees to d clie to change. Although
Speaker 1: the Democratic leadership knew for a fact how he was
Speaker 1: going to vote on that, his voters. You can pull
Speaker 1: his constituents right now and you can watch young turks
Speaker 1: and they'll talk about like how popular certain bills are
Speaker 1: and I'll agree with them. But his voters would not
Speaker 1: go for it unless it was super super sold to them,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. It was sold to me really well,
Speaker 1: I'm I was all about it when it was like
Speaker 1: ten billion dollars. Yep, sounds great, should probably add some
Speaker 1: more to that. And then they dropped it. I was
Speaker 1: still for it. Anything's better than nothing, But I don't
Speaker 1: think he would have ever voted for it. They knew
Speaker 1: that was coming. How did they not know that was coming?
Speaker 1: It is my question? Yeah? So what? So here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: So Mariah, what could they have done? Like, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: say let's say that his turn wasn't like a last
Speaker 1: second thing. So let's say that we knew four months ago,
Speaker 1: five months ago that no matter why, he's gonna gonna
Speaker 1: screw the bill. And to say no, what could the
Speaker 1: Democrats have been doing in the past five months to
Speaker 1: get around that. I don't know. That's the thing is
Speaker 1: that I'm sure there are incalculable tools in the presidential
Speaker 1: and senatorial toolbox to get that negative fucking do the thing.
Speaker 1: If it's like, oh, we're gonna put out a primary
Speaker 1: challenger against you next week and they're gonna have the
Speaker 1: full funding of, you know, full backing of the Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna saying, Kamala down there and goddamn mass I
Speaker 1: don't know, Snoop Dogg down there to like stop for
Speaker 1: this guy, strip him off, Strip Joe Mansion of all
Speaker 1: those committees, threatened stripping of all those committees like they
Speaker 1: always do with the fucking Republicans when they're on their function,
Speaker 1: like they try to do with Marjorie Taylor Green and
Speaker 1: Lauren Bolbert, not them. Um, They're like, I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine the a math, the massive things that are probably
Speaker 1: available at their disposal to get him off fucking to
Speaker 1: like do the thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry didn't want me. I didn't mean to cut you
Speaker 1: off my bed. I mean you know that like Joe
Speaker 1: Biden and them are also in like Nancy Pelosi are
Speaker 1: in the pocket of like big oil and big tech
Speaker 1: and all these industries that are probably lining his pockets
Speaker 1: as well. You don't think they could have a word
Speaker 1: with Jamie Diamond or whoever at the fucking I don't know,
Speaker 1: Goldman Sacks and be like, look, we really gotta get
Speaker 1: this bitch to do this thing. Okay, just like Hill
Speaker 1: a little bit, like there's so many things and so
Speaker 1: I mean, and it also speaks to just the inherent
Speaker 1: undemocratic nature of the Senate. The Senate is just ambolished.
Speaker 1: The Senate bolish Senate. It's not fair that a single
Speaker 1: person that represents two people can block an agenda that's
Speaker 1: popular with sev of the American people, of tens of
Speaker 1: millions of people all across the country who need child
Speaker 1: tax credits, who can't afford hearing aids, who can't afford
Speaker 1: the prescription drug costs, blah blah blah blah lah, and
Speaker 1: so the Senate just sucks. The Senate needs to not
Speaker 1: exist at all, and so that in itself is a
Speaker 1: systemic failure. I think the my my takeaway from like
Speaker 1: some of these things that with the Democrats having trouble
Speaker 1: running through some of the agenda that they have is
Speaker 1: like it. It seems like they're too worried about maintaining
Speaker 1: like a status quo that's destined to not be there.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, even though I'm not like
Speaker 1: completely up to speed on the minutia of the situation,
Speaker 1: it's just like there's a lot of things where it
Speaker 1: seems like the Democrats are saying, oh, we can't we
Speaker 1: we would have to take this out, like the filibuster
Speaker 1: for example. It's like, hey, we'd have to take this
Speaker 1: step on the filibuster so that we could you know,
Speaker 1: push through, build back better or something like that. But
Speaker 1: we don't want to touch that because if we touch
Speaker 1: the filibuster change or something like that, then the Republicans
Speaker 1: are gonna be able to use it against us when
Speaker 1: we're not in the majority. And the whole thing is like, yo,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do that anyway, and that that is you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you mean, m Christopher or Goldsmith are
Speaker 1: gonna kind of touch on it in our talk, but
Speaker 1: it's like the Republicans are gonna pack the court. So
Speaker 1: so it's like the Democrats can like, oh, we don't
Speaker 1: want to do it because it's the fundamentally blah, blah blah.
Speaker 1: It's like they are going to do it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like if they were in this situation,
Speaker 1: whatever ship that they have to do to fundamentally change
Speaker 1: the institution forever and stuff like that, They're gonna just
Speaker 1: do it and then we're and then Democrats are gonna
Speaker 1: be sitting around crying that they they told you that
Speaker 1: four years ago when they didn't put Mary Garland on
Speaker 1: on the seat, that they don't give a funk about
Speaker 1: the rules and ship like that. So the whole like
Speaker 1: playing with kids gloves and it's like, hey, we're trying
Speaker 1: to maintain civility and blah blah, bah blah. It's like
Speaker 1: I can't believe that after four years of Donald Trump
Speaker 1: that Democrats are still on that ship. And it's like
Speaker 1: they're gonna sunk around and have us all in concentration
Speaker 1: camp doing that stupid shift for real only matter time.
Speaker 1: Speaking of bleak shit, UM, at least six Amazon workers
Speaker 1: were killed in the warehouse and Edwards Built Illinois last week.
Speaker 1: While tornadoes bore down on the distribution at on the
Speaker 1: distribution center where they're teaking refuge and um, the warehouse
Speaker 1: roof collapsed upon them. So it's deeply sad. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was an incredible horrific wreckage all across you know, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: in the in the Midwest as a result of these storms.
Speaker 1: But to think that these folks, you know, Amazon has
Speaker 1: a policy where they like take people's phones at the
Speaker 1: beginning of their shift to like increase productivity. Thinking about
Speaker 1: people that weren't able to call for help. Um, that
Speaker 1: these folks were out. A lot of these delivery drivers,
Speaker 1: um were among the folks that got killed, were out
Speaker 1: on their shift trying to deliver packages in the middle
Speaker 1: of tornadoes. And we're like, who, I think we should
Speaker 1: get back to the warehouse. This is getting kind of
Speaker 1: sketch out here, and you know, try to go hide
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, but by that time it's too late. Um.
Speaker 1: It's just really, really deeply sad. A sad account that
Speaker 1: I saw was um a text message exchange from one
Speaker 1: of the employees who was in there, UM where he
Speaker 1: was like telling his life, Okay, you know, we're among
Speaker 1: we're on the way because the storms come in. I'll
Speaker 1: be home and a little bit and stuff. And then
Speaker 1: sometime goes by in between text messages and she's like
Speaker 1: hitting him back, and he's like, Oh, they won't let
Speaker 1: us leave, we gotta stay. Yeah, and then I mean
Speaker 1: that sounds. That sounds there's a liability there. You are
Speaker 1: liable as a business owner for the safety of your
Speaker 1: workers and if any worker or family, Memer can prove
Speaker 1: beyond even like a slight shadow of a doubt that
Speaker 1: they had the responsibility at the moment they knew it
Speaker 1: was coming, and they knew it was coming. How long
Speaker 1: was that tornado track? Do you know? I don't quite
Speaker 1: remember off him, but it was. It was some unbelievably
Speaker 1: long tornado track of just the storm cut depositing one
Speaker 1: after one, so it was coming. It was probably had
Speaker 1: a warning. I don't know how long it had a time,
Speaker 1: but if it was an hour or two, they're screwed
Speaker 1: as a company. Why would you do that? That's insane.
Speaker 1: Isn't this on the heels of them trying to do
Speaker 1: union busting, because that that was like this couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Yeah, they just declared that they're going to
Speaker 1: have a new election down in Bessemor where they try
Speaker 1: to unionize the first UH Amazon distribution center in the country.
Speaker 1: But like other than declaring, they got to do a
Speaker 1: new election to slap them with some fines. Oh fifty
Speaker 1: dollar fine, don't give a ship. That's like, that's like
Speaker 1: pocket change with Jeff Bezou, So he'll be like Wen'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, just add a couple of extra zeros
Speaker 1: on the end of that check just because sweeten the deal. Like,
Speaker 1: who the funk? You know? So what is true accountability
Speaker 1: in this case? Even if a lawsuit is won. I
Speaker 1: would be very happy those for those families to get
Speaker 1: that money, but it doesn't really do anything truly punitive
Speaker 1: to the bosses that created these conditions, because they will
Speaker 1: just you know, go about begging their billions still and
Speaker 1: those people will never those people will can never be
Speaker 1: brought back ultimately. Um So it's darts. I wanted to
Speaker 1: put that out there as a reminder though, as we
Speaker 1: approach Christmas, etcetera, like don't try, like, don't use Amazon.
Speaker 1: I know you, I know, I know, I love getting
Speaker 1: the ship in two days and like not happen to
Speaker 1: go through the home depot and find the fucking ship.
Speaker 1: But there is I don't remember the name of right now.
Speaker 1: There is a browser extension or you can go on
Speaker 1: Amazon find the thing. That you want, and it will
Speaker 1: tell you what other website has the thing, and you
Speaker 1: can click you can click on it, you know, take
Speaker 1: you to the other website we can buy the thing before.
Speaker 1: And so, like all kinds of alternatives out there, don't
Speaker 1: support these motherfucker's with their union busting and their literal
Speaker 1: like just negligence for human life. How the fuck that
Speaker 1: the thing I picked an hour ago get to my
Speaker 1: house without a drone because like this dude woke up
Speaker 1: from a nap in his car and threw it at
Speaker 1: my door. And I'm like, this is unbelievable, and who
Speaker 1: died to get me this ship? This fast? Something wrong?
Speaker 1: It's not really wrong. But the story also raises the
Speaker 1: issue more generally of climate change because the series of
Speaker 1: storms this severe in the Midwest. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of tornadoes up there generally, but this is just
Speaker 1: like almost unprecedented and generally warmer, warmer winter period just
Speaker 1: all around. And oh yeah, I was out on a
Speaker 1: walk the other day and I was like really bundled
Speaker 1: up because it's supposed to be fucking cold, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sweating a little bit, and like I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Just enjoy it. Have a nice time. The
Speaker 1: birds are singing, it's sun shining. But like I just
Speaker 1: like the weight upon me of like the promise of extinctions.
Speaker 1: Just like, yo, this ship. Actually, this is not cool.
Speaker 1: It's not cool. I heard a motherfucker talking about it
Speaker 1: being sixty five in Milwaukee the other day. Not cool. Yo,
Speaker 1: that ain't like for real, And I mean anybody who
Speaker 1: knows anything about Milwaukee in December, that's like day after tomorrow.
Speaker 1: The heat dome they had in Canada, that was the beginning.
Speaker 1: They had people die because there was a heat dome
Speaker 1: in the beginning of winter. Wait wait, wait, n what's so?
Speaker 1: It's like, imagine a rain system that sits above like
Speaker 1: a city that also has sidewalks. The it just it
Speaker 1: basically creates a positive feedback loop where the heat from
Speaker 1: the storm is capturing all the heat right and then
Speaker 1: all of the rising air from the sidewalk is causing
Speaker 1: it to get stuck and trapped because the cold air
Speaker 1: around the storm is is sinking. So what you have
Speaker 1: is like a dome of heat and like the size
Speaker 1: of Texas. I think he killed ten people, yo. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But there's the next level to this is so Amazon
Speaker 1: not having a centralized mailing system, so our post office
Speaker 1: is highly efficient. It just is it's super centralized. We
Speaker 1: have it to a bare minimum of like gas trips
Speaker 1: from here to here. If there's a local dude that
Speaker 1: Amazon can call deliver my package quicker, that's awful. How
Speaker 1: many packages did he have in his car too? For Like,
Speaker 1: that's not good. How did they get to his house
Speaker 1: a whole another driver? Why didn't it go to a
Speaker 1: central location? That doesn't make any sense. The cost of
Speaker 1: that is the environment on top of their other ship
Speaker 1: that I don't think anybody's gone that. I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about that. So they're robbing us of our president
Speaker 1: killing people out here today, and they're killing people out
Speaker 1: here tomorrow and Tony Amazon, Amazon and Disney those are
Speaker 1: the two companies to look out for in the next
Speaker 1: ten years. When when you see your local police department
Speaker 1: with the Mickey Mouse arm patch on, yeah, it's about
Speaker 1: it's about to be bad, Joe, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When when like the when the military is gonna be
Speaker 1: gonna have the episode Arrow on it? Like what's that movie? Specific?
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna be able to order your own, your
Speaker 1: own dude like me and mac yo, are drones coming
Speaker 1: in to borrow We gotta hurry up and link this
Speaker 1: stood up. Eight hundred thousand people ain't no fucking joke, yo.
Speaker 1: That is that is a staggering number that if you
Speaker 1: told Americans that, if you told Americans in February of that,
Speaker 1: come December, the eight hundred thousand people were going to
Speaker 1: die from one thing. Come on, now, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's like like part of the you know,
Speaker 1: part of like the COVID skepticism, whether it becomes you know,
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine or COVID policy skepticism, whether it's coming
Speaker 1: from the right or the left, is I personally can't
Speaker 1: at this point, I can't personally say that I know
Speaker 1: it's because they don't think COVID is that bad. You know,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure that this wouldn't that people's vaccine
Speaker 1: skepticism and sure like that that it wouldn't be going
Speaker 1: if we were having like a worldwide smallpox epidemic, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I don't I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I don't feel that this is coming from a
Speaker 1: place of like, oh, COVID is not that bad, so
Speaker 1: we don't really have to like go overboard with these
Speaker 1: measures to prevent it. It feels like it just feels
Speaker 1: like it's coming from more of a place if people
Speaker 1: generally don't care about people anymore, and that it's like
Speaker 1: wear a mask, you're taking away my freedom, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's just the whole, the whole, the whole discourse
Speaker 1: around COVID. It just it just it has it's a
Speaker 1: very It's like when people are talking about climate change
Speaker 1: and you get kind of doo marie about it. Like
Speaker 1: people's reaction to dealing with a global pandemic just has
Speaker 1: me really down in the dumps for like our ability
Speaker 1: to come together to solve big issues that affect us all,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm not really looking
Speaker 1: at us thinking that we're going to like get a
Speaker 1: handle on this climate change stuff. When the pandemic went
Speaker 1: across the world and killed five billion people in a
Speaker 1: year and there's still mad people in the world like
Speaker 1: we could have if you think about some of the
Speaker 1: past plagues and pandemics, all the people that didn't take
Speaker 1: any safety measures fucking died. We don't know how many
Speaker 1: of those are were this might be the best response
Speaker 1: we've ever had. And you can't really compare us to
Speaker 1: fifties US, right, like our twenties to fifties US through
Speaker 1: from the nineteen fifties, you're like height of America, Captain America.
Speaker 1: Everybody's for America. We were in World War one and two,
Speaker 1: everybody was kind of like working together. It was easy
Speaker 1: to convince us to get vaccines. It's hard now, it's
Speaker 1: just real hard. But but okay, And I hate it
Speaker 1: when I hate it when Libs make the fucking oh COVID.
Speaker 1: It's like a war. We've got to have a wartime
Speaker 1: footing in a wartime policy and ship like that. I
Speaker 1: hate that. I hate that. But just for the sake
Speaker 1: of argument, though it's nineteen like forty two, right, or
Speaker 1: whenever whenever Pearl Harbor was bombed or whatever, Pearl Harbor
Speaker 1: just got bombed. Germany's taken over most of Europe, them
Speaker 1: in Italy, or like, the whole world seems like it's
Speaker 1: on the brink. And if you had a population of
Speaker 1: people who are like you'd have the commercial I think
Speaker 1: you got. You guys are going over board now, but
Speaker 1: you don't know what you guys are complaining about it.
Speaker 1: You guys, are you trying to take away by freedom?
Speaker 1: I don't want to rash and food. Why do you
Speaker 1: guys trying to take away by freedom? Why do I
Speaker 1: have to know? It's missing? Is missing? And this year
Speaker 1: and if you haven't got your vaccine, you're not in American?
Speaker 1: Do you know this, Mariah Um There there's been some
Speaker 1: studies coming out that have been showing that at this
Speaker 1: point in time, I think the more town like the
Speaker 1: people who are dying, who are have been dying from
Speaker 1: COVID have been overwhelmingly Republicans. Do you think that that
Speaker 1: could have enough of a shift in in numbers to
Speaker 1: like affect election outcomes? I mean they are not to
Speaker 1: save the Democrats in the return, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about saving the Democrats interns. I just mean, do
Speaker 1: you think that that could affect Republican voter turnout? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say, for example, Georgia flip blue this
Speaker 1: last election cycle, um, and the election of Joe Biden
Speaker 1: in Georgia was decided by ten thou votes. Over twenty
Speaker 1: thousand people have died of COVID in the state of Georgia,
Speaker 1: and so I think when we consider the the electoral
Speaker 1: college or statewide races like a Senate race. UM, I
Speaker 1: absolutely do believe that uh COVID death can impact the
Speaker 1: results of a coming election. You just gave us the
Speaker 1: ill transition, Mariah, You just gave us the ill transition,
Speaker 1: ill transition because dig this right. Okay, So this report
Speaker 1: came out in the Washington Post with these three retired
Speaker 1: generals right who have been warning that there's enough of
Speaker 1: a political fracture within the U. S. Military that should
Speaker 1: a Trump be they had They're not trying to single
Speaker 1: out Trump because they're saying that this honestly, they're saying
Speaker 1: that the riff could go either way. But they're saying
Speaker 1: that if the next election were to be called, you know,
Speaker 1: called into dispute, that there's enough of a fracture that
Speaker 1: they can foresee elements of the military being like, oh no,
Speaker 1: our guy didn't lose and in going with them, and
Speaker 1: that could cause civil dispute, possible civil war. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read you this excerpt from the Daily Beast. Three retired
Speaker 1: three retired Army generals have warned of insurrection, possibly even
Speaker 1: civil war if the results of presidential election are not
Speaker 1: accepted by sections of the military. Retired retired Major General
Speaker 1: Paul D. Eaton Antonio M. To Guba joined retired Brigadier
Speaker 1: General Stephen M. Anderson and urged today's leaders to act
Speaker 1: to prevent such scenes by calling on today's leaders to
Speaker 1: do war games of an attempted coup. The former military
Speaker 1: leaders said that they're increasingly concerned about the potential for
Speaker 1: lethal chaos inside the military, which would put Americans at
Speaker 1: severe risk in the aftermath of an election. Now, if
Speaker 1: we're talking about margins being so thin that states were
Speaker 1: flipped historically on ten thousand votes, and then we're talking
Speaker 1: about a party that's being reckless in vaccine policy to
Speaker 1: to to you know, mitigate a deadly disease. If we're
Speaker 1: talking about those numbers are taking shaving off twenty thousand
Speaker 1: of them here, five thousand of them here in that county.
Speaker 1: If the Democrats are able to squeak out victories and
Speaker 1: mid the mid terms and then again going to the
Speaker 1: presidential election, the Democrats are able to squeak out numbers
Speaker 1: because the dumbass Republicans got themselves sick on covid YO,
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose their ship. Like they're like like that
Speaker 1: ship is gonna make that January ships ship January six
Speaker 1: thing look like a cookout. Man, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: I mean, when they say civil war, they mean like
Speaker 1: a militias. Well, I mean, I think civil war in
Speaker 1: this context is hyperbolic and in a lot of ways metaphorical.
Speaker 1: But I just think, like like they're talking about like
Speaker 1: some road communits and stuff like that, you know, what
Speaker 1: acting independently to do. Because I mean, you know, we
Speaker 1: we've mentioned this before, but if you wake up, if
Speaker 1: you wake up in the morning and you scirl on
Speaker 1: Twitter and you read, oh, a group of fifty dudes
Speaker 1: stormed the Montana Capital House and took it over, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, just imagined ship like that, But
Speaker 1: it happens like six times in one day, you know,
Speaker 1: and then and then the local law and for the
Speaker 1: local authorities have to go deal with that incident or again.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, you know, we've got like like
Speaker 1: people shouldn't overlook that. It's like, you know, like Dylan
Speaker 1: russ attack was like a politically motivated right wing attack,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Al Paso shooter in Texas, like
Speaker 1: that was the politically motivated, like a lot of these
Speaker 1: mass shootings and things that happen are politically motivated. It's
Speaker 1: just because of Overton window, that link isn't necessarily drawn
Speaker 1: in in you know, harped on in the news. So
Speaker 1: in this event, you know, just kind of think that,
Speaker 1: but think of it more organized and with military guys
Speaker 1: behind it. Because I was at first wondering if it
Speaker 1: was like between factions in the public, in which case
Speaker 1: we're not looking at a civil war, we're looking at
Speaker 1: a genocide. Well, you had a you had a general
Speaker 1: in where is it. I don't want to say the
Speaker 1: wrong state, but you know, Mississippi, Alabamash type of state.
Speaker 1: But this guy actually came out of his mouth saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: our state's national guard doesn't work for the federal government. Bro, nigga,
Speaker 1: what like is the national guard? Motherfucker? But ship like
Speaker 1: that is starting to happen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So this we're not we're not talking about like like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe people that John served with, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We're talking about like, motherfucker's who are in the ship
Speaker 1: now with rank Don't forget Michael Flynn was the National
Speaker 1: Security Advisor. But like you know, like, it doesn't get
Speaker 1: any higher than that. It doesn't, it really does not
Speaker 1: get like that's you know, that's like one of the
Speaker 1: highest positions that a military man can have, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and still be a military man and
Speaker 1: not have to be a civilian. So it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: It would be hard. So you may not know this,
Speaker 1: but it takes to like move a single just let's
Speaker 1: say you have like a twelve man group within like
Speaker 1: a hundred man squad of some sort in any military unit.
Speaker 1: To get your weapons, you don't have to go to
Speaker 1: another building and talk to an armor who has to
Speaker 1: get approval from a first sergeant. It's just it's kind
Speaker 1: of like one of those conspiracy windows. It would take
Speaker 1: probably eighty people to approve you leaving with soldiers from
Speaker 1: a base with a valid excuse and an operation plan,
Speaker 1: and then to get AMMO is a whole another route
Speaker 1: you have to go to do another There's no AMMO
Speaker 1: depot near weapons in any military base for a reason
Speaker 1: because nobody who has higher brass trusts anybody who isn't
Speaker 1: for the most part. But if but can you can
Speaker 1: you say, like with full confidence at some of these
Speaker 1: gatekeepers and barriers of them. So the reason, the reason
Speaker 1: why seven is because your brain they know their brainwashing
Speaker 1: you on purpose when you're coming in, your susceptibility, like
Speaker 1: if you were to be assessed by the FBI just
Speaker 1: coming out of the military is really really fucking high.
Speaker 1: This is why there's like debriefs in the army when
Speaker 1: you do like crazy exotic ship. When you come back,
Speaker 1: they have to like talk about what you did, Let's
Speaker 1: talk about how that affects the mission plan, because they
Speaker 1: don't want you to come away with the idea that
Speaker 1: there's a conspiracy involved in some way and you to
Speaker 1: tell another person. They're pretty balls deep about what what
Speaker 1: level of detail they'll go into to make sure that
Speaker 1: you're not leaving a base with weapons. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it can't have. Now, like you said, let's say
Speaker 1: there's a brigadier general at a National Guard base in Virginia. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's say that his first sergeant and lieutenants are all
Speaker 1: on the Trump train, and then let's ay he has
Speaker 1: to disseminate to his squad leaders to get all the
Speaker 1: lower guys because it wouldn't be no general can go
Speaker 1: and wake you up in your tent or your bunk,
Speaker 1: wherever you're at, no matter how low rank you are,
Speaker 1: that's not his job, and it would be odd and
Speaker 1: everybody would stop him from his function or from doing that.
Speaker 1: I know. So there was like and it's only because
Speaker 1: the level of they brainwashed you to come in and
Speaker 1: that's a that's a poor term. So it's in indoctrination process, right,
Speaker 1: just like if you came from another country to America,
Speaker 1: we it doesn't sound as bad, but we'd have to
Speaker 1: indoctrinate you to like our ways. If you were to
Speaker 1: immigrate in let's say you were like somebody that worked
Speaker 1: with the U. S. Military in a foreign country that
Speaker 1: we worked in, we brought you in here, we would
Speaker 1: have to indoctrinate you into how everything works here because
Speaker 1: we can't expect you to perform without breaking laws. If
Speaker 1: you were to come from Afghanistan and or Iraq, I
Speaker 1: think the same thing. We don't give anybody that works
Speaker 1: in a military unit that's not super high ranked any
Speaker 1: power except for over other soldiers. Like you can't get items,
Speaker 1: you can't get equipment. There's another dude, and then you're
Speaker 1: looking at them. Are not white, So you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to convince a lot of people have a lot of lies.
Speaker 1: From my view, I think one of the one of
Speaker 1: the things that the generals were saying, though, is that
Speaker 1: some of that can a lot of that convinced. That's
Speaker 1: the scary part, You're right, happen is the point that
Speaker 1: that's the point that they're making because one of the
Speaker 1: solutions that they suggested, like their their call to action,
Speaker 1: as it would be. It's not like they just put
Speaker 1: out there we're scared, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they actually feel that they have a solution. But their
Speaker 1: solution was that every single member of the military have
Speaker 1: to over undergo civics reviews. Not a bad idea because
Speaker 1: they've they've identified that, like because they're like like people
Speaker 1: to make sure everybody knows who they're supposed to take
Speaker 1: orders from, how the American government actually functions, who your
Speaker 1: bosses are, because, like we've been saying it, don't know
Speaker 1: how the government. Most Americans can identify how many chambers
Speaker 1: of government that there are, Like that motherfucker's don't know
Speaker 1: the secession order. They don't know who becomes president when
Speaker 1: this person dies or when that like a lot of
Speaker 1: these things are ship that's just kind of been taken
Speaker 1: for granted just off of like the strength of America. Fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you know, I just I'm not I'm not too
Speaker 1: confident that just off the strength of confusion and not
Speaker 1: knowing who to take orders from, that that ship couldn't
Speaker 1: go down, let alone having like, you know, a good
Speaker 1: chunk of the military World War two, What did we
Speaker 1: have a bunch of soldiers from Germany saying that I
Speaker 1: was just following order. I mean, you're looking at the
Speaker 1: same situation and we're getting warnings in a similar way. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could I could point you there's there's
Speaker 1: mad countries in Africa where all it took is three
Speaker 1: hundred dudes in the bush organized to bring the whole
Speaker 1: ship down, the whole ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So if we're even even if we were even if
Speaker 1: we're playing like even if we're even if we're downplaying
Speaker 1: it to like the highest extent that we can, even
Speaker 1: if we want to be like yo, there's only like
Speaker 1: one percent of the American military that would be down
Speaker 1: to the ship we're riding with. What's that? I think
Speaker 1: it's bigger than that too, But I'm just saying, just
Speaker 1: for Devil's advocate, let's just say that it's only one percent.
Speaker 1: Well what's one percent of people? Well, here's what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking is that it's not so much that like they're
Speaker 1: the threat is of an organized like institutional affront on
Speaker 1: our democratic institutions. I mean, just drawing from a person
Speaker 1: old experience, had a cousin who was in the military,
Speaker 1: who learned how to kill people real good, um, and
Speaker 1: who then ran away from the military and killed someone
Speaker 1: and so because partially because of the way it had
Speaker 1: being in the military had broken him, but also probably
Speaker 1: because he knew a lot about weapons and a bunch
Speaker 1: of other ship that made it easy to go out
Speaker 1: and fox somebody up real bad and take a life.
Speaker 1: And so imagining what individuals who have that kind of
Speaker 1: training in their individual capacity out you know, perhaps they've
Speaker 1: been distarted from the military or bad or whatever. Um,
Speaker 1: how that that knowledge can be used um two personal ends,
Speaker 1: perhaps in an organized fashion if like a group of
Speaker 1: such folks comes together, so like, yo, we've taken on
Speaker 1: the capitol or some ship. I think from what Jonna said,
Speaker 1: I'm a lot less worried about like the actual military
Speaker 1: rising up versus like former members of the military utilizing
Speaker 1: what they know about warfare do warfare. That that is
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's to me, it seems like that
Speaker 1: is the that's the situation at hand, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think that like like like you said, Mariah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's necessarily a threat of like
Speaker 1: the military itself being like, oh, we're you know, like
Speaker 1: a part in the Specifically they're warning about rogue units,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like like people breaking off
Speaker 1: from the military to do exactly so I'm using the
Speaker 1: training that they have to do other ship that's not
Speaker 1: in the interest of anybody is. And and with that,
Speaker 1: I feel that that's a very very realistic possibility. Like
Speaker 1: I said, none, none of this ship fires and numbers,
Speaker 1: and I think we'll we'll give ourselves a false sense
Speaker 1: of security by thinking that the numbers aren't there, because ay,
Speaker 1: we don't know that the numbers are there, but be
Speaker 1: it just takes one dude to be like, maga, I'm
Speaker 1: going into that nightclub with a gun. True. That's that's like,
Speaker 1: that's like a hundred lives ruined. You know what. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you got two of those guys was doing that, that's
Speaker 1: two lives ruined. You know what I'm saying. If you
Speaker 1: got like fifteen thousand, and that's being a conservative, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a very conservative number. If you have fifteen thousand,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's are like yo, the next time as soon as
Speaker 1: they give the word all right, we're doing it, right.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think that's you know, and each
Speaker 1: one of them is. I just know, And that's the
Speaker 1: ship I'm scared of. So I've told Mac this before,
Speaker 1: but um, I don't know if anybody if you can
Speaker 1: research it when we get off, but white nationalists have
Speaker 1: been trying to sneak people into military units for years.
Speaker 1: I had one in mind, a very vocal one that
Speaker 1: they probably should have done something over. I mean I
Speaker 1: told Mac about this, like when I got out. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. There's people they just they just let
Speaker 1: this go. They don't care. Everybody's brought it up to
Speaker 1: the higher up people and they're like, hey, yeah, we trained.
Speaker 1: If we don't care, we don't give a fuck. And
Speaker 1: where does he go when he leaves? Alright, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we are going to take a little break, but when
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to be talking about some
Speaker 1: sad news in the world of hip hop. So we
Speaker 1: will be right back after the jump. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys are picking up my puppy growling,
Speaker 1: but he's growling. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are back
Speaker 1: and we've got some music news for that ass. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: starting out with a bit of sad news, right, you
Speaker 1: want to you want to tackle this? Yeah, So drinking
Speaker 1: O the Ruler Um was really tragically stabbed and killed
Speaker 1: Um at the Once Upon a Time Um at Once
Speaker 1: Upon a Time as an l A concert at the
Speaker 1: Bank of California Stadium. Um, a person with direct knowledge
Speaker 1: of the incident, told The l A Times that Um
Speaker 1: he'd been attacked backstage by a group of people. Paramedics
Speaker 1: responded to reports of the stabbing at the stadium on
Speaker 1: eight forty pm and direk He was taken to the
Speaker 1: hospital and critical condition and later died. Um Stoop Dog Um,
Speaker 1: in a statement, said that he had heard about the
Speaker 1: incident while in his dressing room getting ready to perform,
Speaker 1: and chose to immediately leave the festival grounds and since
Speaker 1: then been calling for peace for non violence, people to
Speaker 1: put down the weapons, put down their beef, and stop
Speaker 1: kill him another. Because we have lost a lot of
Speaker 1: folks this year, UM and in general and hip hop,
Speaker 1: this is just too frequent in occurrence, and so I
Speaker 1: find it heartening occasionally when rappers kind of stand up
Speaker 1: and speak out about the need for us to find
Speaker 1: peace to resolve conflicts non violently. But with these things,
Speaker 1: I feel like it lacks a framework. Like it's easy
Speaker 1: to say, but like, what does that mean? What does
Speaker 1: that look like? Who is modeling that for people? Who
Speaker 1: is um, you know, uh, proselytizing with the Gospel of
Speaker 1: what that actually would would look like in practice? Is
Speaker 1: the is the element that is missing when folks respond
Speaker 1: to killings in this way. I've I'm you know, it's
Speaker 1: my my two cents on this is like and I don't.
Speaker 1: It's like, I definitely don't. I'm not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to just say ship that people might just want to
Speaker 1: hear to make them feel better and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But this is coming on the heels of Young Dolf
Speaker 1: being gunned down, rapper Young Dolf being gunned down in
Speaker 1: his hometown, and after that happened a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: after that happened, rapper for the rapper Freddie Gibbs and
Speaker 1: the rapper Jim Jones got into a similar situation to
Speaker 1: this one, like a crew on crew beef beat down
Speaker 1: at some public spot that didn't result with anybody getting stabbed.
Speaker 1: It just resulted with somebody people getting severely beaten and
Speaker 1: it was celebrated on the internet for a week. And
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I'm like that every hip hop political publication
Speaker 1: was talking about Freddie Gibbs and Jim Jones got in
Speaker 1: to fight. It's so awesome, world star, world star, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then literally the next week,
Speaker 1: the same situation should happens, except somebody has a knife
Speaker 1: and somebody gets stabbed. Somebody could have had a gun
Speaker 1: and bust off shots. And then we're having a different
Speaker 1: different discussions together. So there comes up there. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just seems like there comes a point where like
Speaker 1: we're not talking about like sixteen year old kids, you know,
Speaker 1: like like some of these people are grown men, and
Speaker 1: like there has to be like some accountability of like,
Speaker 1: ye know, what the funk are we doing having a
Speaker 1: brawl and ship you know, like everybody's everybody's rich where
Speaker 1: they're like to make me. And again, this is like
Speaker 1: not putting any blame on any any victims of any
Speaker 1: of the situations. But if you know, if like we
Speaker 1: were more fortunate and somebody didn't have a knife, then
Speaker 1: this would this I have no reason to believe that
Speaker 1: people wouldn't be like bigging up this whole situation like
Speaker 1: it was some cool ship just because somebody didn't lose
Speaker 1: their life, like the like the the the chaos itself
Speaker 1: is cool, you know, I mean, but you can't just
Speaker 1: say stop doing that. You have to offer people alternative. So, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you beat in with someone. I think
Speaker 1: it may have spoken on a recent episode about how
Speaker 1: this group in l A set up a boxing ring
Speaker 1: and when they were hearing about beefs going down to
Speaker 1: the community and like, oh they're about to go by
Speaker 1: and spring up your spot, they would bring people together
Speaker 1: to get in the boxing ring and put on boxing
Speaker 1: gloves and duke it out there, because it's a lot
Speaker 1: of harder to kill somebody if you bang on the
Speaker 1: head with a boxing glove. Um in in a monitor
Speaker 1: environment in which if it gets out of hand, there's
Speaker 1: people who could break up the conflict, and yet it
Speaker 1: was shown to be a really promising way to settle
Speaker 1: dispute because eventually somebody wins and somebody loses, and that
Speaker 1: there you go. You got your conflict resolution, get out
Speaker 1: the ring. Nobody died, and so it's still giving something
Speaker 1: you know or like people just don't have, because conflict
Speaker 1: resolution is not to something social, it's also something psycho social.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you have to you have to
Speaker 1: have the problem solving skills and the learned behaviors, the
Speaker 1: reasoning in order to understand different ways of duking this out,
Speaker 1: like and if you are have always been funneled into
Speaker 1: one way of thinking, Oh, I've been disrespected, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go stab this nigger, like that's all you know how
Speaker 1: to do. You have to absolutely saying it's unacceptable, but
Speaker 1: it's not. But like if you say, don't do that,
Speaker 1: but don't give anyone an idea of what else they're
Speaker 1: supposed to do and engage in the intensive process of
Speaker 1: helping lead someone in that new direction, it's just a
Speaker 1: platitude to make someone else does to make Snoop Dogg
Speaker 1: look better. I agree. I mean, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: I've got the answers or anything like that, so I'm
Speaker 1: not even approaching it from that. But I just feel
Speaker 1: like if we have to organize a charity boxing event
Speaker 1: or else, I'm susceptible to stab somebody in the neck.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's that's like a problem with me. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I have an issue that
Speaker 1: needs to be addressed. If like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, I mean, because everything you're
Speaker 1: saying is right and I agree with it, but it's
Speaker 1: like there comes a certain point where it's like you
Speaker 1: you can't recognize if we see these guys it's on site,
Speaker 1: we're gonna while out, and then when the wild out happens, well,
Speaker 1: I mean somebody should have done something, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody should have done something about it when it's like
Speaker 1: they're the ones who were you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just it's just if I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what's gonna stop it. It's
Speaker 1: like we we could have been having this conversation resting
Speaker 1: and fights, you know, like we were having at nineties seven.
Speaker 1: We were having this conversation in two thousand two odd man,
Speaker 1: Why is why is ja rule fifty? Stabbing each other
Speaker 1: in the studio and ship like that we're having, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just like it just takes one variable to
Speaker 1: these situations to turn it tragic and for it to
Speaker 1: not just be like some a haha, that was like
Speaker 1: a scuffle that you know, people got over. It's like
Speaker 1: just in the realm of celebrity and show business in general,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure many times people are in rooms with
Speaker 1: motherfucker's that they hate, you know, even if we're just
Speaker 1: talking about rappers, I'm sure plenty of rappers go into
Speaker 1: situations where there's a crew they got beef with, or
Speaker 1: there's guys that they don't like, or there's something like that.
Speaker 1: It's just that extra step, like, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what element it is that makes people like yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's funny. I don't know. I have
Speaker 1: a different view. I feel like, uh, it's amazing that
Speaker 1: it's not worse. So I remember coming to the conclusion
Speaker 1: a long time ago. I don't know what I read.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, but that, uh, money isn't just evil,
Speaker 1: It's really just a representation of resources in our society, right,
Speaker 1: Like if I have five drops of water left and
Speaker 1: this motherfucker wants four of them, and while he doesn't
Speaker 1: want four of them, but what he wants to do
Speaker 1: is take my image. An image in this society is
Speaker 1: really highly prized for somebody that's in the image game.
Speaker 1: I mean, any affront to that money or resource is
Speaker 1: gonna result in some violence. I don't know, I could
Speaker 1: kind of, but I know it's bad. It's that I'm
Speaker 1: just saying. I'm amazed that it's not worse, honestly. So,
Speaker 1: like take take nineteen early ES wrap and what we
Speaker 1: were saying then about the drug game and prostitutes, all
Speaker 1: the worship you could imagine, and now imagine you had
Speaker 1: an online reputation to keep on top of that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like we're doing a little bit
Speaker 1: better than I thought we would. I thought this ship
Speaker 1: would have blown up a long time ago. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think the data backs up what you're saying,
Speaker 1: because crimes of all kinds are historic lows, with the
Speaker 1: exception of murder unfortunately, but like aggravated insults and things
Speaker 1: like that, lesser but still violent offenses are going down.
Speaker 1: So like things are in on on like a macro level,
Speaker 1: better than they have ever been. But that doesn't negate
Speaker 1: the fact that like every time we lose someone that's
Speaker 1: you know, the whole family that's devastated, friends and friends
Speaker 1: and you know, colleagues that are devastated, fans that are devastated,
Speaker 1: and so the trauma really ripples wide. But honestly thinks
Speaker 1: like it isn't like it like it could be a
Speaker 1: lot worse. Like John said, where are the o g s?
Speaker 1: Is my question? Where are the because I mean the
Speaker 1: ogs like Snoop Dogg or say, everyone put the guns down, like, well,
Speaker 1: what are they instead of a gun? He's been forever,
Speaker 1: But I feel I don't. But that's what I feel like.
Speaker 1: I I that's the thing that I personally don't like.
Speaker 1: It's like, what are you supposed to pick up instead
Speaker 1: of a gun? Like how about you started rapping? Like
Speaker 1: like whether you know? And this is not to put
Speaker 1: the blame on Drake you, but like all the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who are in is Crewe. It's like y'all been crewed
Speaker 1: up with Homie this whole time so that he could
Speaker 1: get into position to where y'all like we don't got
Speaker 1: to be in the streets in the back smoothing with
Speaker 1: the stars and ship like that. Who is the O
Speaker 1: G that's gonna like be like, Yo, this is ridiculous, guys,
Speaker 1: everyone show I mean or even like, let's handle this
Speaker 1: another time somewhere else, like like like that's that statement
Speaker 1: that Snoop Dogg made would have been real dope to
Speaker 1: not be in a letter hour after a motherfucker was
Speaker 1: already stabbed in debt. It would have been It would
Speaker 1: have been cool to see a viral video Snoop Dogg
Speaker 1: and his crew standing in the middle of those two
Speaker 1: crews like yo, young man, I'm fifty, I'm the O G.
Speaker 1: Let me let me you guys calm down, because like
Speaker 1: coming up growing up in hip hop, there's mad stories
Speaker 1: about O G rappers stopping the rappers of our generation
Speaker 1: from killing and shooting each other and ship like that.
Speaker 1: There's a reason that a lot of people don't know
Speaker 1: that nas In Tupac had beef. Know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: There's a reason a lot of people don't know the
Speaker 1: MC hammer almost got Motherfucker's shot for dissing them for
Speaker 1: thinking that he was sweet. You know what I mean
Speaker 1: because O G s were like, yo, man, we're making millions.
Speaker 1: Stop the ship. And that's what I just feel is
Speaker 1: like there's like a disconnect, you know. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: it might be a generational I don't know. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that that's the that that it's like
Speaker 1: that cut and dry, but there is a failing in
Speaker 1: this situation that goes beyond well, what would they supposed
Speaker 1: to do other than like start a massive like melee
Speaker 1: and fight each other? Like you know, it's it's like
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, right, but it's like there's
Speaker 1: another event where it's like I just can't look at
Speaker 1: that mass a young man and think that everybody in
Speaker 1: there is just like a mindless, impulsive, instinctive animal is
Speaker 1: just gonna react and can't like critically think for them.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like, hey, guys, like we're having like
Speaker 1: a fucking like fifty men like fight at this show,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I mean like maybe we should maybe
Speaker 1: maybe we should chill right now. Like I don't think
Speaker 1: that's like too great of an expectation or to you know,
Speaker 1: am I making sense? So what do you do when
Speaker 1: someone disrespects you? Mac? I mean it's for me personally. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you do personally when you're disrespected by someone personally?
Speaker 1: From like you know, and again just the personal thing,
Speaker 1: so I can't put that on anybody else personally. One
Speaker 1: of the ways that I have lived my life is
Speaker 1: I have lived to be the age that I am
Speaker 1: never having caused any harm to another black person. That's
Speaker 1: just me. That's me. I've never and John, you were there,
Speaker 1: so you've you've seen me in the ships, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've definitely been in my share of fights.
Speaker 1: I've been in my share of drunken things. But I've
Speaker 1: put myself in a situation to where if I were
Speaker 1: in a situation that was going to lead me to
Speaker 1: potentially have to be in a physical confrontation with another
Speaker 1: black human being, I'll take that l I'll get embarrassed,
Speaker 1: I'll I'll back pussy down or whatever. I'll do that
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be in that situation, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And just generally, like in a situation,
Speaker 1: like what do I do when I when I'm disrespected?
Speaker 1: I tend to think about what the worst possible outcome
Speaker 1: of a scenario could be, and that affects how I
Speaker 1: go about doing stuff, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I always imagine a motherfucker might have a gun. Is
Speaker 1: the number one thing that I go to when whenever
Speaker 1: I'm in a confrontation. So man, fuck you, Well fuck you.
Speaker 1: What you're gonna do about it? Man, I'll kick man.
Speaker 1: These motherfucker's a stupid ye know, these motherfucking stupid They
Speaker 1: got guys, I'm not, you got it? Whatever. That's that's
Speaker 1: usually like my response to ship like that. People can
Speaker 1: make fun of that, and people can be like, oh,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But it's like if if the choices, well,
Speaker 1: what was I supposed to do other than stab them?
Speaker 1: Then you know, then I'm that I'm a pump. Then
Speaker 1: I'm just illustrating that, like sharing our personal expertise on
Speaker 1: the alternatives to engaging with violence. For me, when I
Speaker 1: get disrespected, I might go take a walk, I might
Speaker 1: say right about it. Sure, like you said, that might
Speaker 1: be seen as pussy ship, but it's these are these
Speaker 1: are alternative norms that can be shared within the community
Speaker 1: of hip hop, but aren't being for one for one
Speaker 1: reason or another. Um, So that's what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: We'll put the gun down and pick up what it's
Speaker 1: it's not a show. Put your shoes on and take
Speaker 1: a lap, bitch. Like you were a writer, you like
Speaker 1: to write bar sit down and write about how piste
Speaker 1: off you are by this nick that's talking about you. See,
Speaker 1: if I'm popularizing other ways of dealing with this is
Speaker 1: what I mean when I say put the guns down
Speaker 1: and pick up something else. You're you're you know you're right,
Speaker 1: and and that that you're right, and that that just
Speaker 1: that takes you know, it's it depends on the people
Speaker 1: who are in those situations. It requires a huge norm
Speaker 1: is a huge cultural shift. Yeah, if I if I
Speaker 1: were a rapper that we're at that level to where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I meant rolling loud and these festivals
Speaker 1: and ship like that. In like a situation like that
Speaker 1: played out, it would be a viral video of like
Speaker 1: this dude screaming at me and me like being like
Speaker 1: a why you know what I mean, like being like
Speaker 1: a fucking dick head white and that's like just like
Speaker 1: dissing on him and like us like just like like
Speaker 1: hurling insults in our crews, yelling and you can't hear
Speaker 1: everything you'd be like, oh, do you guys see that
Speaker 1: video where Dope Knives crew and such and such crew
Speaker 1: were like yelling at each other and screwing each other,
Speaker 1: And that's what would have been with it. Because if
Speaker 1: I see you motherfucking my crew swing, I'm shutting it down.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm like, I am going to have the
Speaker 1: wherewithal to be like, yo, guys, this is my job.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, this is how I
Speaker 1: make money. If I was working at the car wash,
Speaker 1: y'all niggas wouldn't be coming in here starting starting to
Speaker 1: fight with somebody working because that that's gonna sunk up
Speaker 1: my job in my livelihood. So that kind of thing
Speaker 1: has to be taught. When everybody's talking about being a
Speaker 1: businessman in a mogul and I'm making billions and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to take over no right from wrong, They're not
Speaker 1: like idiots. They know they know what they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing. Somebody who was in that situation new hey man,
Speaker 1: this is absolutely ridiculous. Everybody, however, was caught up in like,
Speaker 1: oh this was cool cruises fighting. We don't have we
Speaker 1: don't have the details on this incident. Whether or not
Speaker 1: someone tried to intervene and prevent the stabbing, we can't
Speaker 1: say that nobody didn't. It was this was the stabbing.
Speaker 1: Stabbing was a show, just like the crew fight. It
Speaker 1: was security and both of the like I'm not I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't imagine being famous like one of
Speaker 1: the crews, one of the crews. People are they just bros?
Speaker 1: Like I want I want some dude I don't know
Speaker 1: to like diligently unless he loses his job to be
Speaker 1: like watching entrances and ship. I don't want to deal
Speaker 1: with that ship? Why would someone want to deal with
Speaker 1: that ship? But I don't know When I was younger.
Speaker 1: When I was younger, horribly mac knew me at the
Speaker 1: precipice of me like me realizing that everything is not
Speaker 1: the way I thought it was, right, Like I kind
Speaker 1: of had a post military awakening of military are you awakening?
Speaker 1: And all of this was just defended on who I
Speaker 1: read and what I watched right like anybody else. But
Speaker 1: I mean now I have a ralsey and approach, like
Speaker 1: what would this look like if everybody did what I did? Right?
Speaker 1: Like how would I create a set of rules and
Speaker 1: not know who I would be when they're enforced. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's how I would do it now.
Speaker 1: But this is like some like step twelve logic ship
Speaker 1: that I don't know what step one is. Yeah, Mariah,
Speaker 1: what do you think we can do? Like, like, what
Speaker 1: do you think can be done? Just like uh, Like,
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know, like it was like behaviorally
Speaker 1: or culturally to kind of just change that the mindset.
Speaker 1: I guess. Well, I mean we're already so we're already
Speaker 1: using music too established and in the sense established and
Speaker 1: reinforced a certain reality, and people increasingly through music are
Speaker 1: starting to branch off into different ways that things could be.
Speaker 1: You have folks like No Name or Sava or even
Speaker 1: Kendrick or a lot of different people who are talking
Speaker 1: more about mental health that are talking more about avoiding conflict,
Speaker 1: that are talking more about I don't know, a love
Speaker 1: of reading and various things that we don't historically associate
Speaker 1: with the black experience. And so through those means encouraging
Speaker 1: folks to speak on alternatives to the status quo of
Speaker 1: resulting and you know, resorting immediately to violence as a
Speaker 1: way to shift norms in the community, to get more
Speaker 1: people to say, oh that they got played a show
Speaker 1: with topic he was talking about, you know this or that,
Speaker 1: about taking a walk instead of hitting somebody in the face.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reflect on that and building those relationships. So
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, yeah, let's kick it after the show.
Speaker 1: And like, you know, I saw he was really heated
Speaker 1: and like beefing with those cats, Like let's you know,
Speaker 1: let's take a walk and talk about it as a
Speaker 1: way of helping shift some of those norms. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think in this case it does take
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean, obviously I think about the
Speaker 1: policy level, but it also has to be interpersonal within
Speaker 1: communities to people, say to really start thinking intentionally about
Speaker 1: like let's just not like I was saying, not just
Speaker 1: put the guns down, but what alternatives would we like
Speaker 1: to see people doing, and how do we mentor them
Speaker 1: and getting to that place because they might be really
Speaker 1: smartly you said, these people aren't idiots, but you're only
Speaker 1: as smart as like if you're giving input to then
Speaker 1: process and do something with. And so we gotta start
Speaker 1: giving people input to then like use their very smart
Speaker 1: brains that they used to make very genius lyrics to
Speaker 1: apply it to other circumstances in the life they're currently
Speaker 1: not handling well. Smaria, what are your thoughts on perhaps
Speaker 1: like the nature of the vein of hip hop that
Speaker 1: we're talking about involved with having an impact in this
Speaker 1: because like I remember, I remember interview back in the
Speaker 1: day with MC light and she was like they were
Speaker 1: asking her about like the hip hop Cops, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was back in like two thousand six when the
Speaker 1: NYPD had their like hip Hop Task Force and they
Speaker 1: were like, you know, really good and they were asking
Speaker 1: MC light about it, and she was like, I don't
Speaker 1: worry about that ship. She's like, nobody's coming on my
Speaker 1: tour of us looking for God. She was like, She's
Speaker 1: like she's like nobody, nobody's pulling over Q two like
Speaker 1: to see if you know what I mean, if his
Speaker 1: crew is packing. It's like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because that's not the ship that we're doing. And you know,
Speaker 1: I had this discussion with somebody the other day where
Speaker 1: or me and Mariah. I think we've had this discussion before,
Speaker 1: but it's like there's like we can't only say that
Speaker 1: hip hop is the most influential, impactful force in the
Speaker 1: world when we're talking about good ship and then be like, oh,
Speaker 1: but we promise you that none of the influences were bad,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And one of the influences
Speaker 1: is that you get you know, if you if you're
Speaker 1: a little kid and you're listening to rap music growing up,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm gonna speak anecdotally just for my
Speaker 1: personal experience, there is a nature of don't back down
Speaker 1: to like to to to hip hop music, especially the
Speaker 1: ship that I was listening to growing up. And you
Speaker 1: take aside that refrain that I told you about like
Speaker 1: fighting black people are being in physical confrontations with black people,
Speaker 1: you put that aside. One of my physical confrontations in
Speaker 1: life are from a Napoleon complex of like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I can't back down. Oh like what DMX back down?
Speaker 1: I'm going at it, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: I'll say, I'll get my ask with to show you
Speaker 1: that I'm not no punk because fucking chuck the aint
Speaker 1: no punk, and you know what I mean. Like, so
Speaker 1: there is that element of it that it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you're if, if you're if, your mind is being
Speaker 1: bombarded seven where I hit you with the strap, I
Speaker 1: hit you with the stick, We roll up on you,
Speaker 1: I pull up on site, I pull up on site,
Speaker 1: we catch you on site, pull up. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? You know, then when you're in a confrontation,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that that makes nobody in a in a
Speaker 1: in a room where they can have a sober state
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, maybe we should back down in this,
Speaker 1: or maybe we should deescalate the situation, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Maybe there's something subconscious where it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: we gotta handle this situation. You can't disrespect my crew.
Speaker 1: M you think there's any you think there's anything to
Speaker 1: that or is that like just like oh no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think that that like overlaps flat with what I
Speaker 1: was talking about. Yeah, oh go ahead. I mean I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, it's funny like you mentioned, uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're infantilizing a little bit, like is
Speaker 1: it the culture that swang us or is it uh
Speaker 1: not just musically, but but what you grow up in,
Speaker 1: like so environmentally, like we know this is the case
Speaker 1: uh DMX had like tax evasion court case before he died.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you ever heard about this,
Speaker 1: but they were gonna sentence him to five years, and
Speaker 1: they decided not to. They gave him like one year
Speaker 1: with parole, like the option for parole. And the only
Speaker 1: reason they did that is because they played slipping or
Speaker 1: Slipping for the judge. I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: that song, like I'm slipping, I'm following, I can't get up,
Speaker 1: and the whole song is about like his life, like
Speaker 1: how he was abused by his aunts and his uncles,
Speaker 1: and his his mom had died when he was early on,
Speaker 1: and like all the trials and tribulations, and they reduced
Speaker 1: the sentence to a year. And the judge's explanation was
Speaker 1: similar to Mariah's, like, uh, the environment that he was,
Speaker 1: how could we expect him to take five million dollars
Speaker 1: in his first year of having his first album, having
Speaker 1: no experience with money and this type of life, and
Speaker 1: now we're expecting him to pay back money he'll never
Speaker 1: have and we should never have expected him to pay
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you're infantilizing somebody. In the same way.
Speaker 1: Ryan was pointing out that, like there's clearly some environmental
Speaker 1: issues here, and how do we change environmentally the way
Speaker 1: these people are educated? Right? But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: find myself stuck between both roads, Like you can't blame
Speaker 1: either one of these things for me, Like there is
Speaker 1: a personal accountability there, But I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't necessarily think I'm I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't mean to like infantalize because I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that any at the mercy of the
Speaker 1: ensway of the things that we listen to. You, I
Speaker 1: mean that that's likeat so I shout up by school,
Speaker 1: like no, I'm not not necessarily something like that. But
Speaker 1: again it's just again, it's just like you know, calling
Speaker 1: balls and strikes, you know what I mean. Like I
Speaker 1: would be lying if I were to say that I
Speaker 1: know for a fact that there is not that there's
Speaker 1: a generation if I were to say that there's a
Speaker 1: generation of men who are my age, who at a
Speaker 1: very young age, we're listening to me so horny and
Speaker 1: bitches ain't ship, and that thirty years later that might
Speaker 1: in some incremental way effect the effect how they treat women,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like just using
Speaker 1: that same sort of logic, It's like, yo, man, if
Speaker 1: you grow up, I bust you with the stick, I
Speaker 1: bust you with the stick, and it's like that's regurgitated
Speaker 1: over and over again. Then perhaps if you're in a
Speaker 1: situation you know, I mean, you might be less inclined
Speaker 1: to think what can I do to do? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's not necessarily like a cause and
Speaker 1: effect you know, in infant infantile infantile infantalization. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's just like like I said, it's
Speaker 1: it's all just like a net, like you know, like
Speaker 1: there's like emergent like the brain doesn't work on just
Speaker 1: we can't just say your neurons do it, or your
Speaker 1: brain does it, or your sensory inputs on your body
Speaker 1: as well like brings consciousness. But what every scientists say
Speaker 1: is that it's like an emergent property. So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Like this this does seem like
Speaker 1: it's all the things kind of wrapped up right exactly
Speaker 1: exactly all the things in any event, this is a
Speaker 1: super tragic situation. Um rest in peace to Drake e
Speaker 1: O and you know, wishes his his family and his friends. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, regardless, Homie was just like a really smooth, cool,
Speaker 1: cool ass cat. You know what I'm saying. So hip
Speaker 1: hop lost one. Alright, y'all. Um, we've been going on
Speaker 1: and on, so we are about to go home and
Speaker 1: celebrate Christmas. Hope all you guys have a good Christmas
Speaker 1: with all your family. Hey John, of course, anytime, anytime, anytime,
Speaker 1: coming through. But we're gonna close it. We're gonna close
Speaker 1: it like we always do. And that's with raps. So Joe,
Speaker 1: once you give us a beat and let's give some
Speaker 1: holiday raps. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, so so
Speaker 1: hey yeah, pull up on the beat. And of course
Speaker 1: it was slow when I gotta eat with a force
Speaker 1: to behold. She is antique like the Morse in the Code.
Speaker 1: Now I gotta spit like the pork in the roast,
Speaker 1: or I p draking up that ain't it? Stop violence?
Speaker 1: Every day? The same ship they used to be down
Speaker 1: the lane switched fun Fox News. I gotta beat for
Speaker 1: the sat nick. I don't vibe with a corporate holiday.
Speaker 1: Take your whole check. And of course there's a robbery
Speaker 1: and the music bullshit follows me and I gotta tie
Speaker 1: for a present. Probably I'm a fucking I'm a bitter
Speaker 1: gridge looking like climbate the Pocka lips to when Nick
Speaker 1: all I really wants a little bitty house on the
Speaker 1: Helena Honey to block them lips on the Nigga trying
Speaker 1: fish for Nickel, watched the brains versus socks when niked
Speaker 1: instead of them sitting in the shock for nack ramon
Speaker 1: Fox Tom about Amazone workers killed to deliver of brox
Speaker 1: properly filled with some simple bundles of socks to love
Speaker 1: the building blocks could the way to but the box
Speaker 1: moved a billion, then the billion, then the billion, then
Speaker 1: like a phenivoment from a tropical illness. But that to
Speaker 1: this giant, the only one tripping And I'm open guy
Speaker 1: willing one day we overcome women, defeat these fucking villains.
Speaker 1: Hey cope, knife with Franca and we are waiting on reparations.
Speaker 1: How it is, See you next week. Waiting on Reparations
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