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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country.

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Speaker 2: Yes, welcome to week two of Inside the Draft here

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Speaker 2: on Colts dot Com the Colts Audio Network as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks for coming back. We're inside the

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Speaker 2: Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio. It's a very busy

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Speaker 2: week in the NFL the start of the NFL free

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Speaker 2: agency period. At the start of the week, we have

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Speaker 2: the legal tampering period that on Wednesday, NFL free agency

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Speaker 2: officially began, deals started to be signed and became official.

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Speaker 2: Or for the latest on NFL free agency moves, Colts Moves,

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Speaker 2: Colts dot Com. But we're still keeping one eye open

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Speaker 2: on the draft as it's about a month and a

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Speaker 2: half away. The Colts are scheduled as of now to

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Speaker 2: pick in the middle of Round one with the fifteenth

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Speaker 2: overall pick. The Colts have seven picks overall, one in

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Speaker 2: each round coming up in late April. And our guests

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Speaker 2: today on Inside the draft. They joined us at the

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Speaker 2: NFL Combine earlier this month. Our first insider is longtime

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Speaker 2: NFL front office member Rick Spielman, now a draft analyst

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Speaker 2: for CBS. You can also hear him on with the

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Speaker 2: First Pick podcast from CBS as well. Spielman started his

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Speaker 2: career as a scout with the Bears and worked his

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Speaker 2: GM for the two thousand and four season, then spent

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Speaker 2: sixteen years with the Vikings, and was the GM in

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Speaker 2: Minnesota from twenty twelve to twenty twenty one. So, needless

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Speaker 2: to say, Spielman knows what he's looking for in terms

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Speaker 2: together and negotiate the salary cap. And Jeffrey Gorman and

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Speaker 2: I chatted with Rick about the depth of the quarterback class,

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Speaker 2: the offensive players at the top of the draft that

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Speaker 2: the Colts potentially, and he'll also give his thoughts on

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Speaker 2: the Colts with Anthony Richardson coming back for a second season.

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Speaker 2: Then Chris Trepasso, also another draft insider from CBS joined

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Speaker 2: us at the combine as well. Myself and JJ Stangovitz

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Speaker 2: chatted with Chris about why the wide receiver depth in

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Speaker 2: this draft is so ample, quarterbacks that he likes coming

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Speaker 2: future in the NFL. So, without further ado, let's go

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Speaker 2: inside the draft. Rick Spielman and Chris Trapasso. We lead

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Speaker 2: off with the former NFL GM, Rix Spielman.

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Speaker 3: Now from CBS Sports Gentlemen, who I a fan of

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Speaker 3: yours number one, because I've watched you work through the

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Speaker 3: years as far as being a general manager in this league.

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Speaker 4: So you're a great guy to talk to.

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Speaker 3: It's Rix Bilman from CBS and this quarterback situation with

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Speaker 3: four maybe more going in the first round, Rick, if

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Speaker 3: at these top guys you see in the talent at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's the big three that Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: coming from where he was at Arizona State to transfer

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Speaker 4: So that was fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you would have said last year at

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Speaker 4: Rick.

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Speaker 2: As it relates to the Colts, you know, Chris Ballard

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Speaker 4: But I think if you.

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Speaker 1: Hold off and try to look at your draft board

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Speaker 1: I think the receivers that you're going to get on

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Speaker 3: Rix Bielman, a long time talent evaluator for the NFL,

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Speaker 3: put your GM hat on again for me. You get

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Speaker 1: I keep taking it off and you keep putting it

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd hire you in a minute, I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, you see this increase in the

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Speaker 3: that like Christmas in July type thing? Or is that like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: No, it gives you a relief. So it's like because

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Speaker 3: Last one for me is this combine as a whole

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Speaker 1: This, no, because I mean, you're getting all the medicals,

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Speaker 1: I said, if you're jockey in for a position, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you go to the Pro Days, but there's

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Speaker 2: Rick one more question on the Colts. Anthony Richardson and

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Speaker 2: How do you view this Colts team? How far away

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Speaker 1: Well, like you said earlier, if those two only played

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Speaker 1: So I think Chris has done a phenomenal job putting

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Speaker 1: I was never a big believer maybe supplement with some

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Speaker 1: Chris has hit a lot of big Like I said,

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Speaker 4: Shot at you.

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Speaker 1: So, but I think that really could have benefited him

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Speaker 3: Trick Spilman from CBS obviously one of the great talent evaluators,

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Speaker 3: a long time GM in this league. Okay, you can

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Speaker 3: officially take the GM hat off, but GI me a

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Speaker 3: on so we can put the GMT.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife threw it already in a garbage I

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for your time. I appreciate it. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: We're on radio road the NFL Combine here on the

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Speaker 2: Colts Audio Network. JJ Stankowitz. I'm Matt Taylor sitting across

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Speaker 2: with us on an annual basis, our good friend. Chris

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Speaker 2: Trepasso from CBS NFL Draft Insider there, Chris my Man,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to town. So this draft class as a whole,

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Speaker 2: what are the strengths, what are the weaknesses? What can

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Speaker 2: we look forward to in terms of guys that are

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Speaker 2: going to make a difference next year and the positions

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Speaker 5: From a colts angle, it's really good at wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: We know the guys at the top that you know neighbors,

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Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior. It's super deep, so there's a top

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Speaker 5: end tail at receiver. But it's also second, third, fourth round.

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Speaker 5: There'll be guys that we look back and say, how

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Speaker 5: Ed rusher is really good, corner is great, offensive tackle

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Speaker 6: So if the over under were set at three and

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Speaker 5: Literally, it was almost I was like kind of joking

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Speaker 5: it's still relatively early, over three and a half quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: Go on the club.

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Speaker 6: And then as the follow up to that is, what

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Speaker 6: get them at fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: I think right in the middle of the first round

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Speaker 5: push down corner. I think we'll see a lot of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Offensive tackle is a very good class. I don't know

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Speaker 4: So corner and.

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Speaker 5: Maybe even if the three receivers go off the board,

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Speaker 2: What do you see for the Colts when you look

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're in a really weird position because the job

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Speaker 5: picked Juju Brentz last year with Julian Blackman being a

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Speaker 5: throw out there, Tylernuben Minnesota from Minnesota with Gus Bradley

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Speaker 2: What is the best case scenario for the Colts at

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Speaker 2: consensus is that there's so much top end talent in

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Speaker 2: some premium players on defense are going to be available

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you just laid it out that the

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Speaker 5: just said, I think those are going to be a

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Speaker 5: With DeForest Buckner set to be a free agent next year,

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Speaker 6: If the Colts were to go offense at fifteen, let's

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Speaker 5: Well, Matt and I were just talking off air. I'm

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Speaker 5: I always say this with corner kind of that mirror position.

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Speaker 5: The workouts will almost tell you where they will go.

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Speaker 5: If Brian Thomas Junior has a freaky workout, we're not

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Speaker 4: He's not going to go that far.

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Speaker 5: And I'm a big believer that when you have a

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Speaker 5: to add more weapons to the roster. And that is

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Speaker 5: not contingent upon if you resign Michael Pittman or not

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Speaker 4: Go offense because he catches the ball.

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Speaker 5: Because he catches the ball and he has a direct

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Speaker 4: So I don't think wide receivers off the board either.

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Speaker 5: I was thinking that I know that the Colts have

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Speaker 5: Joelanny Woods off air two. He's someone that if he

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Speaker 5: by Chris Ballard afterward, that best player available. And he's

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Speaker 5: tight ends coming out of college are way more ready

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Speaker 5: Bauers has looked like a future top half of the

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson Chris Trapasso with us from CBS andcbssports dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Last year, you sat in this chair with us and

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Speaker 2: we talked obviously heavily, heavily I should say, about the

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Speaker 4: Now, Okay, what do you think?

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Speaker 5: Well, again, it was sad with the shoulder injury that

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Speaker 5: his potential in this offense. That is a great mix

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Speaker 4: But making it so easy in that breakout year.

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Speaker 5: Like I watched all the Jalen Hurts in that what

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Speaker 5: it was bubble screen RPO, bubble screen slam like. It

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Speaker 5: all right, Anthony, we're going to get your completion percentage up,

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Speaker 5: So I'm really excited to see him in this very

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Speaker 4: You know the elite athleticism.

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Speaker 6: If I recall last year when we had you on here,

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Speaker 5: I think I've had the Colts trading up to one

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Speaker 4: A come to find out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, JJ can speak to this as well, come

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Speaker 6: Think you know, the team picking at one probably was

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Speaker 5: Isn't it crazy how that looks one year out. Not

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Speaker 4: What happened with Bryce Young?

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Speaker 5: The entire Carolina set up with the offensive line wasn't great.

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Speaker 5: Bryce Young's arm compared to even CJ. Stroud, I don't

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Speaker 5: think was anywhere close. Of course, nowhere in the same

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Speaker 5: stratosphere as Anthony Richardson. So to make those tight window throws,

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Speaker 5: even from the SEC to the NFL is a totally

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Speaker 5: different ballgame. And there were times where early in the

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Speaker 5: season they lost to the Falcons and Jesse Bates had

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Speaker 5: two interceptions right.

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Speaker 4: Over the middle, and it was like the dig route

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Speaker 4: was there.

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Speaker 5: Bryce Young saw it, he anticipated it, but Jesse Bates,

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Speaker 5: being like an all Pro caliber safety, was able to

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Speaker 5: close that window.

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Speaker 4: So it to me his lack of arm strength and

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Speaker 4: the fact that.

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Speaker 5: He's a SEC, like for the SEC, a good athlete,

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Speaker 5: but not for the NFL to run away from guys.

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Speaker 4: Took a lot of sacks.

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Speaker 5: Some of that was on his offensive line, but you

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Speaker 5: need to be a Josh Allen of Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 5: Anthony Richardson type to be able to elude defenders on

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Speaker 5: a consistent basis that I don't think Bryce Young is

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Speaker 5: that type.

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Speaker 6: I'm curious about just how you put together mock drafts

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Speaker 6: as someone whose job it is to produce those. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: is there there're a point in the off season where

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Speaker 6: you like, do you start off kind of like exploring

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Speaker 6: scenarios of like if this team does this, I'll do

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Speaker 6: this with this team, and then it kind of goes

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Speaker 6: from there. Is there a point in the off season

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Speaker 6: where you feel like there is enough information for this

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Speaker 6: to be a like legit prediction of what I don't

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Speaker 6: think will happen if this happens, but this is what

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Speaker 6: I think is going to happen for all thirty two teams.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's like three layers to it. Early on, that

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Speaker 5: is what it is. It's exploring scenarios, Oh what if

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Speaker 5: what if the.

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Speaker 4: Bears trade out? Right? You kind of see like the

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Speaker 4: ripple effects.

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Speaker 5: Now, the second point is after the combine, like I mentioned,

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Speaker 5: you kind of get a range like, oh, this wide

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Speaker 5: receiver only ran four or five to three. He's not

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Speaker 5: going in the top twenty. And then after obviously free agency,

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Speaker 5: where we could say, hey, the Colts need a safety

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Speaker 5: they need a corner if they sign a big ticket item,

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Speaker 5: mental positions are probably not going there in the first round.

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Speaker 5: So after free agency, I would say by maybe the

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Speaker 5: second wave of free agency, like mid to late March. Yep,

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Speaker 5: that's when, which is only about a month away from

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Speaker 5: the draft. Obviously, those mock drafts are more like predictions

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Speaker 5: of what I think will happen. But you still have,

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Speaker 5: for as many as I put out from CBS that

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Speaker 5: they have me do, you still have to kind of

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Speaker 5: run through the different scenarios of right, because you don't

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Speaker 5: know which teams like which quarterbacks, and those usually have

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Speaker 5: the biggest ripple effects on the first round.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into time machine, right, Let's you know, we're

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Speaker 2: Doc Brown. Let's get in the DeLorean.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's fast forward to twenty twenty eight. Let's punch it in.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be proven right? Is Justin Field's going

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Speaker 2: to be proven right? Or are the Bears potentially going

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Speaker 2: to be proven right with going in a different direction

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Speaker 2: and drafting first.

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Speaker 5: Overall, For as much as I liked Justin Fields coming

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Speaker 5: out and was surprised that he lasted as long as

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Speaker 5: he did in the first round because of his athleticism.

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Speaker 5: I think the Bears they kind of have lucked into

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Speaker 5: a scenario where they're probably going to be proven right

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Speaker 5: because I think Kayleb Williams is the real deal. And

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Speaker 5: even if, in for some way, if they trade out

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Speaker 5: again of the number one overall pick, which would be unprecedented,

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Speaker 5: and they land Drake May, I think they would be

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Speaker 5: fine with that.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 5: I think Justin Fields is just totally washed and is

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Speaker 5: done as an NFL quarterback. But I think we'll in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight look and say the Bears got some

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Speaker 5: trade like assets back for Justin Fields, but they ultimately

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Speaker 5: got a better quarterback they upgraded at that position.

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Speaker 2: One final one for me, Marvin Harrison Junior is the

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Speaker 2: consensus number one, you know, the best wide receiver within

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Speaker 2: this draft class. What are we talking right away, first

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Speaker 2: and second year, instant, impat guy in terms of experience

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Speaker 2: production one thousand yards? I mean, what are we looking

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Speaker 2: at in terms of ceiling early on for him?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I compare him, and I know this is lofty,

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Speaker 5: but it is Marvin Harrison Junior. He's like a light

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Speaker 5: version of Julio Jones to me, and if you look

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Speaker 5: at Julio Jones rookie season, he had Roddy White there

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Speaker 5: in Atlanta. I think he had like nine hundred yards,

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Speaker 5: and that was at the time where rookie wide receivers

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Speaker 5: were not really producing out of the gate like they

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Speaker 5: do today. So I think with Marvin Harrison junior, with

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Speaker 5: the production that we've seen from Jamar Chase and Jalen

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Speaker 5: Waddle Devonte Smith wide receivers right away, I totally think.

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Speaker 5: I mean, of course it depends on the quarterback, you know,

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Speaker 5: the team situation, but he has not only the athleticism

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Speaker 5: and the size, but the route running ability to get

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Speaker 5: open and run the entire routree. We always hear that

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Speaker 5: not a lot of receivers are doing that today coming

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Speaker 5: out of college, even the good ones. To be that

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Speaker 5: thousand yard guy in year one.

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Speaker 4: Do we have to.

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Speaker 2: Really think about the possibility of Marvin Harrison Junior going

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Speaker 2: to the Patriots?

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 5: But I also, I mean we're talking about different scenarios

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Speaker 5: with mock drafts. I would be slightly surprised if the

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Speaker 5: new regime there turning the chapter from Bill Belichick is

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Speaker 5: sitting there at three and they're just like.

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Speaker 4: We're going to pass on all the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: But Marvin Harrison Junior is that type to me, the

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Speaker 5: game's second most important position. That might be worth saying, Hey,

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Speaker 5: maybe we're gonna just wait on the quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Okay, will the third overall pick be a quarterback? Regardless

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Speaker 6: of who's making that pick.

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Speaker 5: My most recent mock draft, I did have the Vikings

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Speaker 5: trading up. I think it will be because, for as

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Speaker 5: much as I like Marvin Harrison, he's in a blue

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Speaker 5: chip prospect all the way. If you're the Patriots and

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Speaker 5: you're like, all right, we can just draft Marvin Harrison Junior,

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Speaker 5: or we can get like next year's first, a second

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Speaker 5: third next year, what a huge trade compensation, I think

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Speaker 5: given where the Patriots are organizationally and roster wise. For

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Speaker 5: as good as Marvin Harrison is, he's one player, They're

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Speaker 5: not just Marvin Harrison Junior away from competing in what.

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Speaker 4: Has become a super loaded AFC. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Chris Trapasso right there from CBS. What does the rest

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Speaker 2: of your stay in Indianapolis look like?

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Speaker 4: What's on the docket here? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Trying to do as many of these interviews as I

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Speaker 5: can with teams, with other organizations, and as you guys know,

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Speaker 5: it's all about the networking at night, like go out

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Speaker 5: and you have a couple of drinks, but not too

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Speaker 5: many so you don't make er nurse the light peers

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Speaker 5: and just try to talk to as many people. And

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Speaker 5: what's great is is that normally if I go to

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Speaker 5: the bar with my friends, they like football, but not

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Speaker 5: to the level that I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, been here, you everywhere. Let's talk about Texas.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's talk about offensive tackles for thirty minutes at

578
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Speaker 5: the bar, so everyone is aching out big of a

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Speaker 5: football nerd as I when does it all die down?

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Speaker 4: Like two in the morning? That late? Yes, it is

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Speaker 4: that late.

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Speaker 5: Because I have two young kids, I've kind of become

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Speaker 5: an early bird, so I'm not like the whole week,

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Speaker 5: I can't rage until two am. Last night, I was

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Speaker 5: out a little bit late, but I kind of start

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Speaker 5: to go to bed a little earlier as the week progresses.

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Speaker 6: I used to do it when I was in Chicago

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Speaker 6: as outside media. I would be out at Prime until

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Speaker 6: two o'clock in the morning, and then I came here.

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Speaker 6: I'm internal and I have kids, so I try not

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Speaker 6: to do that.

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Speaker 2: But it's the family man. Podcast here with Chris Trapasso.

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Speaker 2: He'll be in bed by ten to thirty with steak

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Speaker 2: in his belly, feeling good, ready to attack the rest

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Speaker 2: of the week here in the Circle City. Chris always

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Speaker 2: a pleasure. Enjoy your stuff, man, and have a great

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Speaker 2: rest of thank you.