Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: Craig Webb stays with us. The dreams behind the music
Speaker 1: is the book and before the break, Craig we were
Speaker 1: talking about where where these songs come from. When Paul
Speaker 1: McCartney talks about the song, you know, he dreams about
Speaker 1: a song, the song writes itself. He likens himself to
Speaker 1: an antenna. We'll just receives receiving the song talks more
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, well that could be true of all dreams.
Speaker 1: We're not quite sure what the source is. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have ideas. Certainly there's some manifestation of the activity
Speaker 1: in the brain. You know, it's called paradoxical sleep. So
Speaker 1: the dreaming sleep, paradoxical sleep is when we're doing kind
Speaker 1: of let's say, daily activities where it's much more like
Speaker 1: our daytime, often with visuals, sometimes I guess with the music.
Speaker 1: So during this phase there must be something happening in
Speaker 1: the brain. But there's the source of the info can
Speaker 1: definitely come from, would say the mind or perhaps beyond.
Speaker 1: Exactly how to track it or prove any of those
Speaker 1: it's a little bit tougher, but I can say some
Speaker 1: interesting research shows that there's specialized neural networks in the
Speaker 1: brain which are distinct from other functions. That's say that
Speaker 1: you know, even speech and non musical sounds are processed
Speaker 1: by different parts of the brains. Even although both sides
Speaker 1: of the brain process sound and music, there seems to
Speaker 1: be a bit of a distinction between perception of speech
Speaker 1: and music and sort of like singing versus even singing
Speaker 1: versus talking, and even the it extends to the ears.
Speaker 1: To the right ears a little bit better at perceiving
Speaker 1: verbal sounds, the left ear a little better at nonverbal sounds.
Speaker 1: There could be some corolleries in the brain. As for
Speaker 1: the source of the inspiration, it seems sort of be
Speaker 1: like who wants it the most kind of taps into
Speaker 1: the internet and gets it. I have seen and in
Speaker 1: my book there's quite a number of documented songs that
Speaker 1: are this is sort of in parenthesis, gifted by non
Speaker 1: physical beings. In other words, Jimi Hendrix came and inspired
Speaker 1: a number of waking artists, but in their dreams, and
Speaker 1: that a few of the other classical artists, et cetera,
Speaker 1: had mentors, teachers, family members were taken them Sarah for
Speaker 1: those who know them are Sarah, Yeah, Sarah and Tagan.
Speaker 1: I found them on which order they say their name is,
Speaker 1: but their grandmother came and some other inspirations Elsie on
Speaker 1: the Big Montreal artists who work with Sark to Slay
Speaker 1: and others have let's say relatives, maybe beings that are
Speaker 1: not physical anymore come and help them with the music.
Speaker 1: So there's a few ideas and maybe it'd be interesting
Speaker 1: to get the listeners take on where it comes from.
Speaker 1: What do you what would you say, Richard? Oh? Wow?
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think Paul McCartney is writing.
Speaker 1: I think it comes from Paul McCartney. When when we're
Speaker 1: talking about him, um, I think he's being maybe very
Speaker 1: very generous and humble when he talks about the songs
Speaker 1: writing themselves. But I think they come from deep inside him. Yea.
Speaker 1: And people are subconscious or something like that. There's an
Speaker 1: interesting principle it says it's probably not you know, certainly
Speaker 1: not our fully conscious stelf. For Lucid, maybe it's closer.
Speaker 1: But there's a number of artists, not just musicians, who's say, wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't write this. I don't even know how I
Speaker 1: got it or where it came from and in the
Speaker 1: dream they believe it was somebody else's hit, like Roy Orbison.
Speaker 1: He dreams this song, oh my gosh, that's an amazing
Speaker 1: new Elvis hit, and then he woke up saying, in Dreams,
Speaker 1: by the way Orbison song, that's that's not an Elvis hit.
Speaker 1: I don't think there is any hit in Dreams. And
Speaker 1: he started putting together a melody, and so we can
Speaker 1: say in Dreams was inspired by dreams and perhaps a
Speaker 1: little bit by Elvis, but he thought it was Elvis'
Speaker 1: is in the Dream and that's happened. Even McCartney actually
Speaker 1: thought one of the songs came from the Stones, but
Speaker 1: then when he woke up, a wait a minute, that's
Speaker 1: not the son. James Cameron had the same idea for
Speaker 1: his movies. He goes out, these aren't mine. Let do
Speaker 1: these come from? Richard back with his book Illusions or
Speaker 1: Excuse Me? Jonathan Siegel, he had a big series of
Speaker 1: dreams that he said, I don't know, it didn't come
Speaker 1: from me. I'm not sure where they came from. It's
Speaker 1: not even mine. So there's an interesting sort of identity
Speaker 1: or maybe ownership question. My guess is it's a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper part of the subconscious, maybe the collective unconscious,
Speaker 1: so not necessarily the conscious mind. We've talked before fairly recently,
Speaker 1: and I remember vaguely a story involving a precognition dream
Speaker 1: that involves a shipwreck. Oh yeah, that's one of my
Speaker 1: fascinating dreams. Now, the song is probably not going to
Speaker 1: be number one hit. I was one of the charts there,
Speaker 1: but stories the number one hit like I put it
Speaker 1: near the start of the book just because it has
Speaker 1: so many interesting aspects. It's Canadian folk composer CBC radio
Speaker 1: host also Clary Croft. A little salutation out to clary
Speaker 1: who who told me this very interesting story and sings
Speaker 1: and talks about it when he when he does presentations.
Speaker 1: But the story is about the Anti m Pride. It's
Speaker 1: actually a schooner background in eighteen eighty nine in Halifax,
Speaker 1: Nova Scotia, and it was going to go sail on
Speaker 1: its maiden voyage about I guess five years later after
Speaker 1: it was built and to my boo, Nova Scotia. So
Speaker 1: this is all document in track. So it's a true
Speaker 1: thing that actually physically happened, and you know, you can
Speaker 1: actually pull up stories about it in papers and stuff.
Speaker 1: The interesting part that's not so documented is that you know,
Speaker 1: they were all loaded up with lots of expensive fish
Speaker 1: and things that would go bad, and I guess maybe
Speaker 1: some lumber and such, but they kind of had to
Speaker 1: get it in a certain pretty tight timeline, except that
Speaker 1: the first mates why awoke that morning and lots of tears,
Speaker 1: really upset because she's had a haunting vision of the
Speaker 1: ship with gray hull and all sails set but they
Speaker 1: were black and she sort of saw the whole I
Speaker 1: guess a shipwreck. So she said to her husband, you're
Speaker 1: not going. It probably took a little discussion, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's one thing to sort of just follow a dream,
Speaker 1: but it's another one. You're maybe your job and somebody
Speaker 1: else's whole career depends on the door quite as us.
Speaker 1: And eventually, a long story short, I went to the
Speaker 1: captain Pride, interesting name, but that's the actual name of
Speaker 1: the captain, and he said, I can't go with him,
Speaker 1: so silly a and maybe lose my marriage. But you
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't go either, because my wife had this dream
Speaker 1: and she saw this big storm and it might be
Speaker 1: a shipwreck. Anyways, he was committed with the sale, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately he took his son as the first mate. And
Speaker 1: so sad story that did come true was the whole
Speaker 1: ship was shipwrecked, pretty much as as the wife saw
Speaker 1: a life saving dream. I guess the first mate, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately not to the son. But another interesting aspect is
Speaker 1: Larry said, Annie m Pride, where have I heard that before?
Speaker 1: You know the name of the ship, and he said,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. He went back to his childhood wall
Speaker 1: from his I guess the house where he grew up,
Speaker 1: and his parents were still there, and he saw this
Speaker 1: half model of a ship, which I understand. I didn't
Speaker 1: know this, but when they make a ship, they actually
Speaker 1: make a small version that's half the ship, to see
Speaker 1: if all the parts work. And I guess it fits
Speaker 1: well and balances. It's such a So all his childhood
Speaker 1: he'd had the half model of the Annie M Pride,
Speaker 1: the actual original one, on his wall, and he asked
Speaker 1: his mother where do we get this? And she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that's because your maternal relative is Annie m Pride and
Speaker 1: her husband named Sadly, he died in a shipwreck and
Speaker 1: his son died, and he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's our maternal relative. Oh my god, I'm interesting a
Speaker 1: premonition well followed by at least one person. Um if
Speaker 1: I mean, can people dream about specific things without necessarily
Speaker 1: being conscious? Interesting? Yeah, like intentional dreams maybe yeah, or
Speaker 1: like falling asleep. Sometimes it's called incubation. There's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of different ideas of sort of names for people
Speaker 1: use it. But the experience is more or less starting
Speaker 1: with in my looser definition, starting to become lucid, in
Speaker 1: other words, guiding the dream content a little bit. In fact,
Speaker 1: I bet you most of the lusers have done it.
Speaker 1: They just didn't necessarily name it. You know, if you certainly,
Speaker 1: if you go to sleep with a question mine, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll sleep on it. That kind of thing, you may
Speaker 1: well dream on it, like many of the inventions and
Speaker 1: songs and things. But sometimes if you're just watching a
Speaker 1: movie or reading a book, or you're wondering or worrying
Speaker 1: about something, that momentum of thought and maybe feeling will
Speaker 1: carry into the dreams. So it's a little bit better
Speaker 1: when you're conscious or lucid, or choose I guess such
Speaker 1: a lucidity is. In other words, let's make sure that
Speaker 1: you choose wisely what you're thinking about it before sleep,
Speaker 1: and if you have a question and intention, I hope
Speaker 1: a dream you know, hey, teach me skiing skills like
Speaker 1: the German Olympic ski team they learn their ski skills
Speaker 1: and their dreams or whatever. So it's possible. And then
Speaker 1: I guess when it becomes a little bit more lucid,
Speaker 1: more conscious, you start to realize during the dream you
Speaker 1: can guide it a little bit. And then the interesting
Speaker 1: part is harvesting. Let's make sure we get the content
Speaker 1: but are able to bring it back and act on it.
Speaker 1: So I usually encourage my students because I teleclasses online.
Speaker 1: I say, not just what does the dream mean? It's
Speaker 1: a good question. You can understand it intellectually interpret a bit,
Speaker 1: but what does it want? Like it really does want something,
Speaker 1: There might be an action in the world. Let's say
Speaker 1: McCartney never acted on the musical inspiration for Yesterday. And
Speaker 1: also let it be I know, a huge beetle hit, right,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have these amazing songs in their world. So
Speaker 1: make sure to kind of consider and maybe even ask
Speaker 1: yourself what does the dream wants? And just that question,
Speaker 1: they'll trigger some thoughts, maybe some actions or impulses. To
Speaker 1: bring it to our public world as a gift from
Speaker 1: your your personal you know, inner subconscious, I hope. So
Speaker 1: I'd like to see more dreams come true out him.
Speaker 1: What does the dream want? So it's we're at or
Speaker 1: the dream is asking as something, or are deep subconscious
Speaker 1: is asking us something? So, um, I know this is
Speaker 1: a fairly common theme with dreams. And I used to
Speaker 1: have this dream, a recurring dream a lot. Not not anymore,
Speaker 1: but losing my teeth, I would start spitting out like
Speaker 1: I was spitting out chicklets, and I had that quite frequently.
Speaker 1: So is what is the dream want when I'm spitting
Speaker 1: out chicklets my teeth? Well, before I go into that one,
Speaker 1: because these things get personal pretty fast, I should ask
Speaker 1: do you have that recurring dream anymore? No? No, um,
Speaker 1: I would say, I haven't had it probably in about
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years. But I used to have it
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah. Okay, good, so we can get a
Speaker 1: little more personal. By the way, this is actually according
Speaker 1: to a recent research study of looking up Google searches,
Speaker 1: it's the most common dream in many countries. Wow, I've
Speaker 1: actually seen different statistics, but I guess for Google searches
Speaker 1: it's easy to type teeth falling out dream, but it is.
Speaker 1: It actually is multifaceted. So the big universal archetypal dreams
Speaker 1: are usually across cultures, so it's not just USA or Canada.
Speaker 1: It's actually many cultures worldwide. It's not the biggest one
Speaker 1: in all the cultures like in South America. I think
Speaker 1: it's snakes, you know, which probably makes sense, I guess
Speaker 1: from the corporation or her worry point of view. But
Speaker 1: the teeth falling out dream has a few levels. And
Speaker 1: I laughed a little bit with sort of a friendly
Speaker 1: good nature because I've had it too. It can have
Speaker 1: the level of, let's say, sort of publicly spewing out
Speaker 1: different words or maybe not always personally happy with or
Speaker 1: they just come out like I guess are I'm thinking
Speaker 1: halle Berry has the teeth falling out dream. So maybe
Speaker 1: some of the things she said, or she's sort of
Speaker 1: worried about complex shouldn't losing our teeth or you know,
Speaker 1: as an actor, that's very important our look as a
Speaker 1: radio announcer, Yeah, the things that come out of our mouse.
Speaker 1: Who want to make sure that there's no biting words
Speaker 1: in there, and we're getting making sure that they sort
Speaker 1: of don't bite into people's minds too deeply unless we
Speaker 1: choose it. I guess if we're making a new story,
Speaker 1: and then there seems to be a pretty interesting sort
Speaker 1: of sigh or psychic or maybe premonition level. This isn't
Speaker 1: actually a number of cultures that I've interviewed a number
Speaker 1: of people around the world, and forget all the countries
Speaker 1: Bahamas as one, Italy, a number of places like five
Speaker 1: or six, I can't name them all right now, but
Speaker 1: in the culture that it says, oh, if you dream
Speaker 1: about losing your teeth, and I means somebody close to
Speaker 1: you is going to die. But first I guess as
Speaker 1: a scientist, as those that are like, oh, you know, skeptic,
Speaker 1: But actually, after hearing it quite a bit and seeing
Speaker 1: actual dreamers I work with having clear premonitions of someone
Speaker 1: close to them passing, and it usually seems to be
Speaker 1: when there's actual blood in the dream, so a slight
Speaker 1: variation when there's physical blood chicklists or chewing glass and
Speaker 1: people have glass. So the other level is another level
Speaker 1: is sort of grinding our teeth at night, which is
Speaker 1: a little more obvious. I guess, you know, teeth falling
Speaker 1: out or crumbling. So we might be grinding our teeth
Speaker 1: and if we're not careful about it, or go to
Speaker 1: the dentist and do something about it, maybe get a
Speaker 1: bite place or something. They might have actual future permonition
Speaker 1: where we have like teeth bits or you'll lose teeth.
Speaker 1: So the big lesson overall through all the different categories
Speaker 1: is learning having presents in peace with letting go because
Speaker 1: even in life, you know, we do lose our teeth
Speaker 1: as a child, growing up, maybe later our wisdom teeth
Speaker 1: and as a multi person, so letting go of I
Speaker 1: guess the permanence challenge of life and just allowing the
Speaker 1: body to do its transitions at times sounds easy to
Speaker 1: say letting go, but I can't say I've mastered that
Speaker 1: life lesson. No, that might be the toughest one. You
Speaker 1: mentioned letting go. Are there some practical ways of dreams
Speaker 1: can help the living in the ying around around that
Speaker 1: transition around death? Yeah? Sure, deaths the big the end
Speaker 1: of our big dream that we you know occurs every
Speaker 1: day that we call life. I did a whole sort
Speaker 1: of audio CD which was the presentation I gave with
Speaker 1: the little pali of care contents all about that. So
Speaker 1: there's a number of ways that they can really help.
Speaker 1: I guess one simple way that's maybe not obvious, but
Speaker 1: it's been hinted out a little bit here with the
Speaker 1: sailor dream. The first name is precognitive dreams can actually
Speaker 1: help prevent death. So like the sailor didn't die, you know,
Speaker 1: or another researcher here actually one of the discoverers of
Speaker 1: a ram of sleep, of appatite movement sleep, which which
Speaker 1: tribute lots of research and the egs and everything of
Speaker 1: the sleep reportings, William Dement later had I guess, not
Speaker 1: dream about research, but later had a dream where a
Speaker 1: doctor was showing him an X ray of his lungs
Speaker 1: up on one of these I guess extreme viewing the screens,
Speaker 1: whatever they are, and he had really thinking feeling and
Speaker 1: the doctor's organosis was unfortunately, you know, you have lung
Speaker 1: cancer and you're not going to get to see your
Speaker 1: children go up and just going to be a horrible,
Speaker 1: thinkful death. And you know, he woke up on oh
Speaker 1: my god, thank goodness, it was just a dream, but
Speaker 1: that he had the wisdom to sort of follow what
Speaker 1: I encouraged the listeners and my students say, what does
Speaker 1: the dream want not to So that's a bad dream
Speaker 1: or just a nightmare? Well, yeah, nightmare, but not just one.
Speaker 1: He stopped smoking right away because it was a strong smoker,
Speaker 1: and he did live and leave leave a pretty long
Speaker 1: healthy life up until the end of his days, which
Speaker 1: wasn't by lung cancer stuff. We can't say that it
Speaker 1: would have come true, but the best predictions it was
Speaker 1: a negative type are the ones that don't come true.
Speaker 1: So possibly it was a life saving So I can
Speaker 1: be one aspect, maybe helping people impalliative care at least
Speaker 1: I've seen that somebody who actually there was a patient
Speaker 1: in coma for many, many months, and I guess one
Speaker 1: of the characters, and he said, okay, maybe I can
Speaker 1: journey in kind of let's say an intentional dream, kind
Speaker 1: of a sitting of the daytime. Lucia dreams sham on
Speaker 1: a journey, and she journeyed in sort of quote unquote
Speaker 1: met the being who was lying there in coma and
Speaker 1: said hey, And all of a sudden, the woman and
Speaker 1: coma grabbed hers, like where did everybody go? Why aren't
Speaker 1: they coming anymore to visit? And the caregiver says, oh,
Speaker 1: actually been a few months, so you know, they did
Speaker 1: come and she said, well, okay, and the caregiver in
Speaker 1: the dream still said, is there anybody you'd like to
Speaker 1: see and then maybe you can move on? Or is
Speaker 1: there I think to help you sort of come back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd like to see. And so when she
Speaker 1: came back awake, you know, the caregiver was I guess
Speaker 1: practical and problematic enough to call up certain family members
Speaker 1: and having to come visit, and and very shortly after
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure days, but let's say within about
Speaker 1: a week or so, after all the business the patient
Speaker 1: had had sort of peacefully passed, and I guess and
Speaker 1: some of level they sort of knew who was visiting
Speaker 1: and had their unfinished business a little bit finished, or
Speaker 1: at least you've got a connection, and then moved on.
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