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Speaker 2: For some Thursday news and we're going to talk Premiere

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Speaker 2: having their first showcase. It's in Mudi Chin. I can

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Speaker 2: never say it right. I want to call it Matuchin.

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Speaker 2: It's Matouchin. Sometimes I'll say the tucin mootouching. I have

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Speaker 2: in South New Jersey and they're having their first championship

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Speaker 2: match with the men and the women. Happy to announce

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Speaker 2: here on the show that the men's championship match is

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Speaker 2: the Indie God Matt Cardona versus The King of the

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Speaker 2: Indies Cult Cabana, and the women's championship matches are Lady

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Speaker 2: awesome matches. That's September ninth. The Premiere streaming network is

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Speaker 2: Slammer Versary and watch Bully Ray whip some ass this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Wo what Jeff talk to me, dude? You want to

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Speaker 2: watch Bully Ray kick some ass formerly known as Bubba Ray.

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Speaker 3: I love Bubba Ray. I love the dun super underrated,

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Speaker 3: always have.

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Speaker 2: I don't wrestling fans don't underrate them, but people who

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Speaker 1: I feel like.

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like wrestling fans freaking love the Dudley Boys.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so, Matt Cordona and Colt Cabana, let's talk about

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Speaker 3: these dudes ones called the King of the indies and

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Speaker 3: ones called the indie God, and they're gonna, I guess

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Speaker 3: they're gonna try to figure that out with their match.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. King not as good as God. Right,

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Speaker 3: God beats King.

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Speaker 1: No, unless you're an atheist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, col Cobana doesn't believe, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's all too, he's all King of the Castle.

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Speaker 3: Oh big whoop, you think you're a god.

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Speaker 1: They have a they have a cool story.

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Speaker 2: Like cold Cabana really innovated independent wrestling in the form

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Speaker 2: And because he bled the way he did and his

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Speaker 2: And Cold Cobana's like, what fuck you? You better not

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Speaker 2: and they'll get the first ever Premier Championship Network Championship belt.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I can get like a replica and show it

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Speaker 3: Those guys are both great guys too. I've met both

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Speaker 2: You know, I worked at WWE sadly during his Scottie

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Speaker 2: Christa Joseph DJ knew it, but he still committed everything

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Speaker 2: but we just couldn't get that. We couldn't get that

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Speaker 3: I don't I might be misremembering your opinion on this subject,

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Speaker 2: The blood is so like, I like fake blood, okay,

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Speaker 1: Real blood, I'm like, oh God, I know that guy.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, it's just hard, man, it's really hard for me

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Speaker 3: No you're not, but I was right, And remember that

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Speaker 3: you're not crazy about the death matches. Guys like me

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Speaker 1: Guy was like Gumby Man. He just body would fold

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Speaker 3: there's like, you know, like why don't put a storyline

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Speaker 3: like that, put a belt on Nick Cage.

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Speaker 2: deathmatch ever. It's not even up for debate. I guarantee

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Speaker 2: Like it's just it wouldn't. They're too scared of that

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Speaker 2: with stockholders. You can blame them for it, or you

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Speaker 1: These wrestlers can get.

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Speaker 3: Hurt anyways, right, These wrestlers think every everything they're doing

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Speaker 3: is they're letting the son of Vince jump.

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Speaker 1: Off forty foot ladders, And.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I can't imagine, because a death match is

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Speaker 1: There's so much blood, dude, There's like there's so much blood. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thumb oh, thumbed, stuff like that they've done.

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Speaker 2: the in the modern era, but well not modern era,

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Speaker 2: for the reasons I am. I'm not even against it,

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Speaker 2: it's just really hard for me to watch. Like, however,

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Speaker 3: Something might want to think about if anyone out there

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Speaker 2: Just something look for for my own based on like

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Speaker 1: There will be. It'll just be hard.

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Speaker 2: But I know how much people love those. And you're

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Speaker 2: you're seeing the literal sacrifice of an artist you like

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Speaker 1: And that means a lot.

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Speaker 2: And there's not even when there's there's no TV cameras,

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Speaker 2: and these men and women are still willing to do

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Speaker 2: that for you for an experience that sixty people will see,

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Speaker 1: But this they're still willing to bleed, sweat, cry all

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Speaker 2: And that's why I love I'd just love professional wrestlers

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Speaker 2: they just simply do not And it is brutal and

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Speaker 2: hecklers are like what you know what I mean? It's

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Speaker 2: I just I love this. There's so much for what

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Speaker 1: No speaking on that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, we didn't get a chance to talk

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Speaker 3: coming to these Thursday bonus stuff carrying cross you feel like.

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Speaker 1: That is that happening with him?

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Speaker 3: You feel like they're not connecting with him, or what

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Speaker 3: is going on with your boy?

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Speaker 2: I don't think Creative has a story for him that

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Speaker 1: I think is what's happened?

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Speaker 3: So Vince is burying him or like you think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Vince or Creative, but I

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that because everyone's seen that in NXT. It

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Speaker 2: don't know to say that. I'm I'm stoked for him. No,

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Speaker 2: I always they had something better for him. It's been

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Speaker 2: They were incredibly behind based on where it was placed

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Speaker 2: in the show. So you know, I hope like Shinsek

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Speaker 2: it's tough. You're you're just there for a quick win

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Speaker 2: or a quick loss, and that's unfortunate. But that's the

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Speaker 2: business man, and I wish it wasn't that way, and

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Speaker 2: i'd like to I'd like to think, Hey, everyone deserves

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Speaker 2: a story. They're there, they've earned it, got it. But

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Speaker 2: that week. It's very very difficult. There's there's your boss,

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Speaker 2: but head of your writer's room that has to sign

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Speaker 2: and they may have opinions on it. And then there's

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Speaker 2: like the director, the co director, the head writer, and

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Speaker 1: And to get through all that unscathed, it's borderline impossible.

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Speaker 2: I did it with the Jeff Hardy thing, and that

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Speaker 2: was the only story ever that got through because for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, they just got behind Jeff and this idea

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Speaker 2: it was like pulling teeth, dude. It was so hard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I really like kring Cross. I know you

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Speaker 3: love kring Cross, so we're hoping that he gets more

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Speaker 3: than you think. Thirty second match with AJ Styles where

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Speaker 1: By the way, what are they doing with AJ Styles?

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Speaker 1: He just wrestled Seth Rollins for the freaking Heavyweight Championship

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Speaker 3: Same with La Knight took on hit row buying himself

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Speaker 3: couldn't be more over the second he came out, the

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Speaker 3: second they heard his music the site, the crowd was

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Speaker 3: he he licks his index finger and goes hell a

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Speaker 3: Night points for each syllable. Dude, He's coming up with

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Speaker 3: great things. I also like his move set, like I

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Speaker 3: don't know what they're called. I don't know what these

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Speaker 3: looks like a stone Colt stunner, but he lays down

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Speaker 1: You face plants you. Such a cool thing.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, big La Knight fan, I'm I don't know why

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Speaker 3: they're not giving him more stuff. He's super over and

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they're not Why why Caring Cross

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Speaker 2: But whatever, Well, Jeff, we didn't get to a single

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Speaker 2: thing that we planned on talking about.

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Speaker 1: That's the beauty of what I do want to say

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Speaker 1: that podcast.

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Speaker 2: I want to say Collision maybe quickly becoming my favorite

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Speaker 2: television show for wrestling. I love the opening. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I love the way they talk to camera and then

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Speaker 2: start the show now and we got to see him

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Speaker 2: punk Samoa Joe and that match was awesome, long away

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Speaker 2: and took a whooping and he was bleeding for real

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Speaker 2: his promo was dead money.

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Speaker 1: Punks money.

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Speaker 2: I liked it outside of the ring, like where the

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Speaker 2: people are. Oh, you didn't dig get into it. We'll

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Speaker 2: get into it in our next episode.

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Speaker 1: He is. I like that promo.

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Speaker 3: I like him and whatever, but like God, he's not

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Speaker 3: as good on the mic as he thinks he is.

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Speaker 3: He thinks he's real.

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Speaker 1: I mean like, I'll give you that.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you that, Like he thinks he's the best

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Speaker 2: But I still like the promo. I just liked the

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Speaker 2: he wrestled.

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Speaker 3: The only name I want to hear tonight is Owen Hurt.

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Speaker 1: What the hell you talking about Canada?

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Speaker 3: Pandering your little I thought you weren't the pan or you're.

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Speaker 1: The punk guy. You're not punk. I only want to

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Speaker 1: hear owen Hart's.

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Speaker 2: Name, but it is though owen Hart tournaments some latitude,

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Speaker 2: but they never even gave some latitude.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I love you, Thank you for listening. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you all next week. We're out peace.

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