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Speaker 3: Welcome to? I said, no gift, si'n Richard wineger Ah,

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Speaker 3: It's Connor Ratliffe. Connor, Welcome to, I said, no gifts.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me. I'm so I'm so

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, you know, on balance in these trying times.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the last few weeks have been eventful

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Speaker 2: They've certainly they've been eventful for me. They've also been

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Speaker 3: Yes, strange days, very very strange years. Yes, and not ideal.

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Speaker 3: The system can only handle so much. Yeah, well let's start.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you were recently on a cruise.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was a performer on the Joco Cruise, which

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Speaker 2: is Jonathan Coleton's music and comedy nerd cruise.

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Speaker 3: Right, And what you just said is maybe one percent

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Speaker 3: Well, do you like to go to an amusement park?

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Speaker 2: Be careful. We weren't. So it's hard to socially distance

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Speaker 2: But I find comfort now. Sometimes I buy them as

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Speaker 3: This is who I am.

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Speaker 2: But it might be a movie that I never need

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Speaker 2: You carry enough heavy boxes of stuff that you don't use.

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Speaker 2: I love Rick Moranis. He's one of my comedic heroes.

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Speaker 3: Right, and that person obviously shares a lot of interests

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Speaker 2: But I can't bring myself to get rid of my

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Speaker 2: Like I mean, yeah, I mean c the old Muppet

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Speaker 3: Like that's me looking at my heart breaking song.

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Speaker 2: It's a heartbreaking song, and it's a heartbreaking small pile

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And now that we're on the topic, you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of running shorts. I feel like he's somebody

434
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: who's out there early break of dawn running around the city.

435
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: Also there also, I think we can say fairly confidently

436
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: that Gonzo is most likely a vegan.

437
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: Oh, he loves the chickens.

438
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: He loves the chickens. There's no way, and once and

439
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: everything every other form of meat tastes like chickens. So

440
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: there's just there's no way that he would do that

441
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: to Camille.

442
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Look, Connor, I would love to

443
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: talk about I could probably spend the next hour talking

444
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: about Gonzo, but I can't do that today. I need

445
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: to talk to you about something else.

446
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: What's that? What's that?

447
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: Look? You agreed to be on this podcast a little

448
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: while ago. I was so happy. I thought, Connor fantastic

449
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: has his own podcast, Dead Eyes, which is wonderful. He

450
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: obviously knows the sea, knows what it means to be

451
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 3: a guest, what it means to be a host of

452
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: a podcast Aboutely. Well, come on, he'll treat me with

453
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: the respect I deserve. I will try to do the same,

454
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: and then we'll release the episode and everyone will enjoy it.

455
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: So I was a little a little surprised yesterday when

456
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: I opened my door, thinking I'm going to be recording

457
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 3: my podcast. I said, no gifts with Connor tomorrow, and uh,

458
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: there was a little a little something there for me

459
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: for me from you, which is now kind of in

460
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 3: this bag, kind of a large bag that says celebrate,

461
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: and so I'm just curious. I don't know what your

462
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: game is here. I don't know what the plan is

463
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: for you. Is this a gift for me?

464
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 2: I have to say that it is a gift for you, okay.

465
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: And I know I know that you. I know that

466
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: you said no gifts. Okay, Right, I did feel, you know,

467
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: I grew up in the Midwest. Sure, and there's a

468
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: certain uh, there's a certain aspect of of and I

469
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: don't know if it's exclusively Midwestern, but there's a way

470
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: of doing things. There's a there's a level of politeness

471
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: that overrides the wishes of a host. Okay, it's important.

472
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for you have me on your podcasts.

473
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Okay.

474
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: I feel it's customary for a guest to bring a

475
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: small token of appreciation, Okay. And I think there's a

476
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: dance that occurs, and I hope I'm not I please

477
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: don't take offense at this. I know it's a lot

478
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: to say, please don't take offense at this, but please

479
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: don't take offense at this.

480
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of controlling myself right now, and I'm

481
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: going to let you speak, I.

482
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: Can't help but feel that to some extent, and forgive

483
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong about this saying please no gifts.

484
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: While I'm not doubting your sincerity, there is a part

485
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: of me that feels like that is part of a

486
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: social dance, a part of a give and take, which

487
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: is preemptively the gift that the host is providing is

488
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: to alleviate the pressure to feel compelled to provide a

489
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: gift or a show of gratitude. But that does not

490
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: necessarily preclude the possibility that a guest might opt to

491
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: override that request. Right now, if I've misread this, and

492
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: I hope that I haven't, I apologize sincerely, Connor.

493
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: How does it feel to be wrong?

494
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: Oh? It feels Can I be honest with you?

495
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: I would love to just pour your heart out to me.

496
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: There it feels two ways to me. On the one hand,

497
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: it feels terrible to be wrong. There is shame, there

498
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: is a feeling that you have failed. But on the

499
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: other hand, it also feels wonderful because it's an opportunity

500
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: for learning and for growth. To be wrong is to

501
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: discover something that one did not know. And why else

502
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: are we here but to learn and to improve. So

503
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: if I am wrong. If I am wrong, I pray

504
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: that it shall be so that in the future I

505
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: might be less wrong.

506
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: Right, And I will say one other thing I know

507
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: about growing up in the Midwest, and that culture is

508
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: making up bullshit excuses which I feel like you've kind

509
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: of just dragged me through and for you to come

510
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: on here and kind of just try to make me

511
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: the bad guy in this situation. You know, this little soliloquy,

512
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: it's Oh, no, I don't know that I could easily

513
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: shut the zoom down now to that. I'm not going to. Oh,

514
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to you know, it is my job as

515
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: the host to kind of just see each person as

516
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: for who they are, regardless of not only making the

517
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: initial mistake, but then, you know, building up this tower

518
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: of mistakes as they're trying trying to back out of blame,

519
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: try to excuse their behavior. I'm going to just forgive.

520
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, do you want me to open

521
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: the gift?

522
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: Well, let's hold off on that for a moment. Okay,

523
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm happy to I have a question for you. Do

524
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: you do you not like gifts?

525
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: This is what I'll say. I certainly don't like a surprise.

526
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: I don't like the unknown. Yeah, and I don't like

527
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: people making assumptions about things that I may or may

528
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: not want.

529
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: Forgive me. This feels so good to learn this because

530
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: now I feel some relief that I didn't tell you

531
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: uh not to give me a gift, because I feel

532
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: like that's exactly what you've given me. Is I feel

533
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: that I understand you a little better I did before.

534
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: And what could be? What could be better than that?

535
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: Isn't that what we strive for as human beings, to

536
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: understand each other just a little.

537
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: Bit better, to see to sit here and see you

538
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: kind of laid bare and then rebuilt in real time.

539
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: I have aired, and I admit this, I have had.

540
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: I known your fear of an uncertain outcome, because now

541
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: now there's a part of me that almost wishes for you,

542
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: and maybe this is worse. To keep the gift but

543
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: never open it like a like like Schrodinger's cat, there

544
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: be a live or dead cat in this ba Let

545
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: it be whatever you hope it could be. But no,

546
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna say. Let's go ahead and

547
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: with your with your mission, perhaps open the gift and

548
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: see what you think of it.

549
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say you this is you know, repentance.

550
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: Your repentance fuels sincere.

551
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: It is sincere I do. If I could go back

552
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: and do it again, I would not have brought a.

553
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: Gift, right, And that's that's the real tell with repentance.

554
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: If you repeat, should I get another gift? Then well no,

555
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: you didn't learn right. But there's really no telling what

556
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: the future holds for either of us.

557
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: Can I ask this, Has anyone ever made this mistake

558
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: before and then followed up by sending an apology gift

559
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: after the episode? And is that something you would object to?

560
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: There have been a couple and I've driven them out

561
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: of the business, all right, So that's I hope that's

562
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: answer enough.

563
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Well, I gosh, I love the business, so please don't.

564
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: I shall. Yeah, I shall never send another gift. That

565
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: is my promise to you because I cherish I cherish

566
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: this business. So you're mister Hollywood, or certainly mister East

567
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: Coast New York Hollywood.

568
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I think it's time for me to get

569
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: into this gift, okay, and we'll just see what unfolds

570
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: from here. So I'm reaching in. There's now a little

571
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: brown envelope here, which may be difficult to open. Let's

572
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: see if I can. No, I'm just going to use

573
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: my ross strength. Maybe not because the inside is kind

574
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: of the plastic defense that you know, so animals can't

575
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: get into it or what have you. That's Oh, here

576
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: we go, We've got it open. Okay, I'm reaching in. Okay, wait, okay,

577
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: So there's an Okay, it says there's a gift from

578
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: Connor Ratliffe, and then there's something but I actually have Wait,

579
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: it's a welly quick fixed kit. It's an on the

580
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: go first aid kit. Yeah, what's happening here?

581
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: You ever been on the go?

582
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm always on the go?

583
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I hate to inform you. There's always the

584
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: possibility that you might get hurt while on the go,

585
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: and no one wants to carry a full assortment of

586
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: medical supplies with them. This is a convenient, portable way.

587
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: There are ointments, spandages, various small items. They don't take

588
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: up a lot of room in your luggage.

589
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: Right.

590
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: And what I'll say is, now that you have it,

591
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: it's not a cursed item, but the way life works,

592
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: now that you have it, you will you will now

593
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: you will now be hurt while on the go, because

594
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 2: it's like when you learn a new word and then

595
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: suddenly it's everywhere. Now that we've talked about this, you're

596
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: gonna cut your finger, You're gonna burn your elbow. There's

597
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: gonna be something that you're gonna think, Ow, I need

598
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: an ointment, I need a bandage. I started doing I

599
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: started doing something a few years ago which I recommend

600
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: to people now, particularly men who carry a wallet on

601
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: them on their person. I tell them, if you have

602
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: any band aids in your house, put a few band

603
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: aids in your wallet. They don't take up a lot

604
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: of room. And once you start doing this, you will

605
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: notice opportunities. This is pre pandemic, obviously, you will notice

606
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: opportunities where suddenly someone says, does anyone have a band aid?

607
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: And you will amaze the people around you that you,

608
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: a man who seemingly doesn't have anything useful to offer,

609
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: have a band aid. I started doing it, and within

610
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: in a very short period of time, I found myself

611
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: around someone who was They were like, it was a

612
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: friend of mine who has kids. Their kid fell over.

613
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: They were like, I don't have a band aid, and

614
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have a band aid. And this parent

615
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: was like reacted to me as if I was a wizard.

616
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: They couldn't believe that someone without children was prepared for

617
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: an accident. I was at a concert once where the

618
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: lead singer cut himself by accident on something on stage

619
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: and then made a joke to the audience does anyone

620
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: have a band aid? And I was near the front

621
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: and I said, I have a band aid. And during

622
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: a concert in Brooklyn, this is years ago. What band

623
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: was I don't remember the name because it wasn't like

624
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: a band I was there to see.

625
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: It was just a.

626
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: Various acts, but the crowd reacted as if I had

627
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: played a guitar solo. It was really everyone was so

628
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: impressed that someone at a concert had a band aid

629
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: available for the singer. It was both I think impressive

630
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: and also just very funny, just like good prop comedy.

631
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: That's that is a great idea to have a band

632
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to if only at concerts start

633
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 3: carrying a band aid and just hoping that my favorite

634
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: musicians end up in some sort of emergency situation.

635
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: It's such a great easy thing because it just it

636
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: fits right in between like whatever paper money you have

637
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: in your wallet or just behind an ATM card or

638
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: something like that. You just keep one and either I

639
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: haven't needed it for me very often, but the number

640
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: of times when I've been of use to someone of

641
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: use to someone else has been surprising amount.

642
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've started trying to carry a bag, and I'm

643
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: trying to make it kind of a complete set of

644
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: things that I may need, another person may need. You know,

645
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: I have the portable deodorant. This kind of thing. A

646
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: band aid's make perfect sense in there.

647
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: Is there a spot in your bag for this wellie

648
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: kit that I've give.

649
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: This welly kit is the ideal because I don't want see,

650
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't want a loose band aid floating around in

651
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: the bag. Then it becomes kind of a gross garbage

652
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 3: receptacle where people were like, this guy's dirty.

653
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: Well because also a band aid. Over time, a band

654
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: aid will will sort of age and it's going to

655
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: make his way out of that wrapper, and then there'll

656
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: be a part where like one of the part of

657
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 2: it will like fall off or something, and then you'll

658
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: just you know, and.

659
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: Then you're like biting into your dinner and notice that

660
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: a band aid has fallen on your food, and my dad.

661
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: Started doing a thing over the past couple of decades

662
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: because my sister and I both moved to New York

663
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: within a few years of nine to eleven, and there

664
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: had been like a blackout in New York right when

665
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: I moved here. And there was a Christmas where my

666
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: dad gave a he had special My mom usually handles

667
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: most of the gift buying in the family for the

668
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: two of them, but there was a Christmas where he

669
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: was very excited that he had a gift that he

670
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: was taking care of for me and for Brion, my sister.

671
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: And it was these two go bags that were just

672
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: like they had like you know, like a blanket, like

673
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: an emergency blanket, flares and flashlights and like this powder

674
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: that you put if you have to stop like gushing blood.

675
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: Oh blood.

676
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: It was like blood. It's like blood clotting stuff. It's

677
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: they use it in the military that like if you

678
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: have a big cut and it's bleeding a lot, you

679
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: pour like the sand on on, yeah, and it kind

680
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: of clots it. It's kind of terrifying gift to open

681
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: on Christmas morning because it's sort of like assuming that

682
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: like something bad's going to happen in the city. Where

683
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: you live, and then you'll go for this bag and

684
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: then you'll be on the run. It's just sort of

685
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: it's a very sort of like fear of the walking

686
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: Dead kind of uh frame of mind. And then every

687
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: now and then he sort of updated these presents a

688
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: lot of my dad. And my dad's not a like

689
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: a survivalist or anything. He like worries and he'll put

690
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: together these like packs that are like, well, here's what

691
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: you need, and I think something this Wellie is in

692
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: some ways maybe a remnant of that kind of gift

693
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: giving impulse, which is like planning ahead for things that

694
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: might go wrong.

695
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: Think of all of the horrible things that could possibly happen. Yeah, yeah,

696
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: when was the last time you were injured on the go?

697
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think or had some sort of medical

698
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: emergency on the go.

699
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm literally like trying to get a sense memory. I'm

700
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: looking at my body to think when did I last

701
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: like put a band aid on? You know, it's funny

702
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: because the mind does blot out these kinds of experiences.

703
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't on the go, but there was a it

704
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: was opening up a can of beans to make soup,

705
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: and you know, when you have those pop top sort

706
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: of cans.

707
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: Give me a can opener, can, yeah, any day above

708
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 3: that dangerous little pop top.

709
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: It was one of those things where like I pulled

710
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: at it and it sort of got away from me

711
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: as I pulled at it, and then the side of

712
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: the thing like sliced my finger. Oh And what was

713
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: really bad about this was that I grabbed it and

714
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: then I wrapped it in like a I grabbed for

715
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: like a cloth and I grabbed it, and then I thought,

716
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: I need to get to the bathroom. I need to

717
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: get to where the first aid stuff is like under

718
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: the sink. And then I like a second had passed

719
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: and I looked down and the blood had just soaked

720
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: through the cloth so fast, Oh lord, and I realized

721
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pass out before I get to that. I

722
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: literally like made my way to the bathroom. But then

723
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: I like lowered myself to the ground just passed out

724
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: for how long I don't know, probably just a few minutes,

725
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: but it was enough that it was like I lost

726
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: the ability to stand up. I have passed out. You

727
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: were asking about nausea before. I have passed out on

728
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: a number of occasions where I just get very dizzy

729
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: and fortunately I've never had the thing of like falling

730
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: straight down to the ground. I always start to feel

731
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: it and then I'm able to lower myself to the

732
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: ground kindly collapse the very bad feeling. I turned bright white,

733
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: like a like the state puff marshallow man kind of white.

734
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: I break out in a certain kind of cold sweat,

735
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: and then my eyes just like just everything becomes like

736
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: sort of brownish gray, and then I'm.

737
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: Out low blood pressure something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that seems

738
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: I'm in a similar territory. It's never quite gotten to me,

739
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: but I, you know, standing up out of the car

740
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: even like, am I going to just pass out in

741
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: its parking lot for no reason?

742
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

743
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: To you know, a bit of a curse. But everybody

744
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: else is looking to get that low blood pressure. I'll

745
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: take the downfalls of it any day.

746
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: Now.

747
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: What happened to the can of beans all over the

748
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: kitchen floor?

749
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: I think I might might have set it down in

750
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: the sink, and I don't I don't believe that I

751
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: finished making the soup. I think I considered it like

752
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: a well we're done for the night sort of right, right?

753
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: This can is is just forfeit to the experience.

754
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: Right, probably when you could have used that soup the most.

755
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Probably yeah, for the energy.

756
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: Well, now I have this little kit. I mean, it

757
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: is a scary thing to think. Now this could kind

758
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: of kind of just lead to It's now opened this

759
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: door to injury on.

760
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: The curry very definitely, and the anger that you feel

761
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: at me for bringing a gift against your wishes will

762
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: be compounded in the future when a rational mind, perhaps

763
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 2: let's say, for the sake of argument, a rational mind

764
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: would say that you should feel increased gratitude towards me

765
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: providing you with this form of mild relief. But we

766
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: are not purely rational beings. We are emotional beings with feelings,

767
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 2: and I do not judge you in advance for when

768
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: you are hurt on the go, and I pray that

769
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: it is only the mildest of hurts. But when it

770
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: does inevitably happen and you curse my name for having

771
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: caused it by giving you this welly package, know that

772
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: I am sorry and that I understand, and I bear

773
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: no ill feeling towards your rage towards me.

774
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean, my other option is to kind of just

775
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: become deeply agoraphobic, not leap the house, and I could

776
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: go down that path as well, which I wouldn't, which are.

777
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: Most most accidents happen in the home.

778
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this is an on the go kit, so it

779
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: feels like the universe has been challenged.

780
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: It also works. Don't think that you can't use the

781
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: ointments or the bandages that.

782
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 3: They will somehow special occasions, they.

783
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: Will bounce off of you. They will not adhere to

784
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: a home bound person.

785
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: If I have an injury at home, yeah, this kit

786
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: will not be used, even if I don't have other

787
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: other bandages, I will bleed out before I use my

788
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: own the go kit.

789
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: Burn so stubborn.

790
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: There's a reason that I am where I am today,

791
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: and it's not because I used on the go kits

792
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: at home.

793
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: That's not the reason.

794
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: It's hard to say. It's hard to say what logic

795
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: I'm getting at here, Yes, but.

796
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: I understand the reason that you are where you are

797
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: today is not because of on the go kits that

798
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: you have employed.

799
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: On the go kits have played no part in my life. Yeah,

800
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: and uh, this kit will remain in my bag and

801
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: will not be accessed until you know the part. I'm

802
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: on the go and there's blood. Something needs ointment, and

803
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: my only prayer is that the people surrounding me, my friends,

804
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: my family, my loved ones, are the ones who are

805
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: injured and I'm fine and I get to administer care.

806
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: You get to be the hero, get to be the

807
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: hero kind of what you've done.

808
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: If that happens. I know that, despite whatever whatever feelings

809
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: you might wish to have, I know that when you

810
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: play the big shot and you pull out that WELLI

811
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: to help a loved one who's been mildly hurt. I

812
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: know that part of you will gradually think that I

813
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: played a role in your moment of triumph.

814
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: But I will not speak your name, I will not

815
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: credit you. I will probably have to go back and

816
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: delete this episode from the Internet just to erase any

817
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: paper trail.

818
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: It will be worth it knowing that I have won

819
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: inside your mind. The victory is not on the battlefield,

820
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: it is in the mind of those that we have

821
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: triumphed over.

822
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm so excited, I mean, and I will. I will

823
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: also say, let's just be honest. It's a stylish kit,

824
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 3: which also leads me to believe the band Aids might

825
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: be lower quality.

826
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: It might be because it's pretty snappy. They did not

827
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: style graphic design and packaging. We're a priority, and we

828
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: want to hope, we want to hope that this is

829
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: indicative of the entire infrastructure of that business and not

830
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: that they have prioritized flash over substance.

831
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: The last thing you need in an on the go

832
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: injury situation is something that looked good on Instagram.

833
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: It's all sizzliness thing.

834
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: Band aids not sticking. The ointment is you know, just

835
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: an olive oil. It could be devastating, but there's really

836
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: no telling because I'm not going to test it at home,

837
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: and until you're in the situation. Let's say this expires. Also,

838
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: this expires in May, so hurry up.

839
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: I'll also say this. I'll also say I'll also see this,

840
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: live for the moment, live for today. Expiration dates on

841
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: medical supplies are dictated by the insurance companies who build

842
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: in a cushion.

843
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: That's so true.

844
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: So this isn't like milk where it's going to go bad.

845
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: Almost like clockwork. It's you can take year old aspirin.

846
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: This is just the lawyers covering themselves. You have a

847
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: you have a solid year before that, well he starts

848
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 2: to become a question mark.

849
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: I can live on the edge I think definitely until May.

850
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: Just go for it, and every month passing that, just

851
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: slow down slightly, knowing that I have some safety net.

852
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: It expires May two.

853
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 3: For says expires five of twenty two.

854
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: All right, I was hoping maybe it said it may expire. Okay. Yeah,

855
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: that definitely is a mark against me in terms of

856
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: the But also how lucky to have outlived the medical

857
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: supplies that you never needed to call upon.

858
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: Oh, to see the hospital in the rear view.

859
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: What a blessing to know that you will essentially have

860
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: if you don't require the welly between now and May.

861
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 2: What a gift that is to think about how lucky

862
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: you've been to not be injured during the until that

863
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: package became totally redundant medically.

864
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: Right. The dream I mean, I will say about six

865
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: years ago, just a passing thought I had was I'm

866
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: going to die in twenty twenty one. And so I

867
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: will tell you that the year of twenty twenty one,

868
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: every inch I moved, driven by fear. Once we got

869
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: past that, what a relief. Yeah, I had this premonition

870
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: and it didn't work out.

871
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: When I was in high school growing up in Zuri,

872
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: there's there's a big earthquake fault under the state of Missouri,

873
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: and uh, some guy, I'm sure this is searchable. Some

874
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: guy back when I was in high school predicted that

875
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a giant destructive earthquake that would happen

876
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: on a certain date, and it was treated sort of

877
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: like Y two K. It was this big build up

878
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: to like the date he had predicted, and then it

879
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: of course didn't happen, and everyone just went back to normal.

880
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: And I thought, well, if we were really taking this

881
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 2: guy seriously, like he could be off by a week,

882
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: that's not true. But everybody just sort of acted as

883
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: if like, well, he was wrong, therefore there will be

884
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: no earthquake. And I thought, well, either this was worth

885
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: paying attention to and we should maybe cushion in a

886
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: year or two. In geological time, those are mere moments.

887
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: But everybody instantly was sort of like, well, no earthquake.

888
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: I guess he was totally wrong. And it turns out

889
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: he was totally wrong. That was decades ago, still a

890
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: flash in the in the uh, just a moment has

891
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: passed in terms of the way that the Earth's core

892
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: experiences time.

893
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 3: Right geological time.

894
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: Now philologically we move past it pretty quick from it

895
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: being a front page story to just being like, let's

896
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: not even think about the earthquake.

897
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: What became of the quack? Yeah, I don't know, well

898
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: exactly he.

899
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: Went back to whatever whatever. He hung his head in

900
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: shame and went back to whatever. A little little building

901
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: he crawled out of. You know.

902
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: This is a groundhog. Okay, I think it's time to

903
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 3: play a game, all right. Would you like to play

904
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 3: a game called Gift Master or a game called Gift

905
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 3: or a curse. Gift will tell you how it is. Okay,

906
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: Gift for a curse? I need a number between one

907
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: and ten seven. Okay, I have to do some light calculating.

908
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 3: Right now. You can promote something, recommend something, do whatever

909
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: you want with the microphone until I return.

910
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I guess the two things that I would

911
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: promote are my podcast Dead Eyes, which is about me

912
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: being fired from a small speaking role in Band of Brothers.

913
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 2: It's about more than that. It's about failure and success

914
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: and coping with disappointment and life and in show business.

915
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: And I do this show called the George Lucas Talk

916
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: Show where I pretend to be retired filmmaker George Lucas

917
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: and interact with guests who are just being themselves. And

918
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: if you're in New York City on a Sunday night,

919
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: I do a show called Rat Scraps at a venue

920
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: called Caveat on the Lower East Side, which is an

921
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: improv show with surprise guest monologists and some of the

922
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 2: best improvisers in the world.

923
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 3: Perfect all excellent recommendations.

924
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: Great. That felt like a very comfortable plugging segment.

925
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 3: You know, you just need a little fence, the opportunity

926
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: to plug. I love to give somebody just a little space,

927
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: just a little and the push off the promotion cliff

928
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 3: that people need.

929
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: Just the information you need. You can take it or

930
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: leave it if you don't want to leave it, if

931
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: you don't want to enjoy any of those things, live

932
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: your life. I'm not pressuring anyone.

933
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: Okay, this is how gift or a curse works. I'm

934
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: going to name three things. You're going to tell me

935
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: if they're a gift or a curse and why, and

936
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: then I'm going to tell you if you're correct or not.

937
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: You can lose this game. Okay, you can win this game.

938
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: It has been won before rarely, but you know it

939
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: does happen, So let's get going here. Number one, this

940
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 3: is a listener suggestion from someone named Beth, and this

941
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: is listen carefully because this is a lot of words

942
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: that Beth has suggested. Gift or a curse. People who

943
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: beep their horn approaching a blind bend on a country

944
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 3: road but without slowing down at all gift to a curse.

945
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: So these are people who are they're beeping a warning

946
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: to the people coming around the bend, it seems that way,

947
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: but they're not slowing down.

948
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: They have decided not to slow down.

949
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: I mean it has elements of both. I'm trying to

950
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 2: figure out this is yes, I'm trying, am I trying

951
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: to get inside your head in terms of the determination

952
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: of whether these are a gift.

953
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: You're just trying to say if this is a gift

954
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: or a curse.

955
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: I mean why I would guess it's on balance it's

956
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: not a great gift. But I'd rather have some warning

957
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: than no warning at all. But the flip side to

958
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: that is, if I don't have enough time to get

959
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: out of the way, then do I cherish those few

960
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: moments of blissful ignorance rather than have a harbinger of

961
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: the terrible faith that awaits me. So I'm gonna say

962
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: it's a curse, because wouldn't I rather enjoy those last

963
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: few moments before I am mowed down by this vehicle,

964
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: rather than have them waste those last few moments with

965
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: pointless bleeding of their bleating of their horn at me.

966
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: Why do they get to hold court my precious last

967
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 2: few seconds. I'm going to say it's a curse. I don't.

968
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear from my the my doom

969
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: before it happens. I just want to experience it.

970
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: I mean, this is truly an injury on the go.

971
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: If we've ever talked about one.

972
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: Guys, there's no amount of a thousand expired wellies would

973
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: do me no good in this circumstance. Connor wrong, Wrong,

974
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: It's a gift.

975
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: It's a gift. I'm I'm thinking about this person who

976
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: refuses to stop there. They are pure sound and speed.

977
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: They're making noise, They're not making any compromises outside of

978
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 3: just you know, filling the night air with a horn.

979
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: I love this person. I love what they're doing. They've

980
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: brought this element of violence to the country road. They're

981
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: looking out for no one but themselves. For all we know,

982
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: they just love to punch the horn.

983
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: I concede the point, but I I will stand by

984
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: my choice that I did not want to. I did

985
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 2: not want to concede my last few moments at peace

986
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: to their noise, vandalism, editorializing in my last seconds of

987
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: mortal consciousness.

988
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry, I mean stand by your point. All

989
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: you want, it's not going to get you any further

990
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: in the game.

991
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: Now, is it still possible for me to win the game?

992
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: Or am I it's possible for You've definitely lost the game,

993
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: but you can now get a you know, a sixty

994
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: six percent if you get the next two correct.

995
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: Hey, that's a D. That's a passing grade. We love

996
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: a D in high school. We love a D.

997
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: Okay, number two. This is another listener suggestion. Someone named

998
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: Mackenzie has suggested gift or a curse. TV shows about vikings.

999
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 2: TV shows about vikings. Now I'm inclined. I believe my

1000
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: parents watch at least one show about vikings. I don't

1001
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 2: think I partaken any Game of Thrones doesn't count as vikings.

1002
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't.

1003
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: Its aesthetics, but there are some Yeah, there's some moments

1004
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: that feel Viking adjacent, right, But I have, but I've

1005
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: seen I've called at times when my parents are watching

1006
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: a show that I believe is a Viking show. I

1007
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: think the closest experience I have with any kind of

1008
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: Viking pop culture would be the I believe still running

1009
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: syndicated comic strip, Heygar the Horrible. So I'm at a

1010
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: bit of a disadvantage in terms of whether or not

1011
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: these shows are a gift for curses. I do not

1012
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: watch them. I will say this, and I don't care

1013
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: if I lose a point on this, because because I

1014
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: have to go with this, because my parents have been

1015
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: very good to me, and I believe they enjoy Viking

1016
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: shows and I and I think they've earned that. And

1017
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: so I'm going to say it's a gift only in

1018
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: that the only people I know watch Viking shows are

1019
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 2: my parents, and they seem to like them. So I'm

1020
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: gonna say the Viking shows are a gift, even though

1021
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm probably wrong.

1022
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 3: You get the point.

1023
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: I get the point. Wonderful.

1024
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 3: I look, have I ever seen a television show about Vikings? No?

1025
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: And this Mackenzie person writes in like there are just

1026
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: dozens of them I can think of maybe one Vikings

1027
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: show that i'm and I believe it's called Vikings.

1028
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, And aren't some of them like on

1029
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: the History Channel or.

1030
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, where it's like,

1031
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: how could that possibly be a good television show? But people,

1032
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: your parents are two examples. I love them. Yeah, I

1033
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: could see myself enjoying a Viking TV show. I have

1034
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: nothing against that. I think that seems like a wonderful idea.

1035
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: The work, it seems like a lot of work to

1036
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: make one, you.

1037
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: Know, kind of Yeah, Scandinavians rating various things, and I

1038
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 3: think I could get into that. Why not, that's a gift. Yeah,

1039
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: I haven't seen one that was bad. I haven't seen

1040
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: one that was good. I've seen a billboard for one

1041
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: that was apparently on the History Channel or what TLC

1042
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: or something, and I thought, well, that seems strange. Never

1043
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: looked past that, but certainly not a curse for me.

1044
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: I do know in this game that my instincts, as

1045
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: far as whether I was right or not, have been

1046
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: one hundred percent off the mark because I was so

1047
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: confident I was correct in the first one, and I

1048
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: really thought I was thrown away the second one, So

1049
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect. I do I doubt

1050
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: myself or am I leaning into a trap?

1051
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: It's a corridor of disorientation and do you just have

1052
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: to make your way through one way or the other?

1053
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: The final one another listener suggestion, someone named Michael. Now,

1054
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: this is an interesting one. GIF to a curse sledgehammers.

1055
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 3: Sledgehammers which feels kind of in the almost within the

1056
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 3: realm of vikings, if we're being honest large hammers.

1057
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: It does. And I'm afraid I'm going to go cultural

1058
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: on this one because practically, I assume I've never needed

1059
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: to use a sledgehammer. I guess I've probably witness people

1060
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: using sledgehammers. It seems like they're such a practical tool

1061
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: for such a specific purpose. Actually, very grateful I've never

1062
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: needed to do anything so strenuous that a sledgehammer was

1063
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: the only option. There's the Peter Gabriel song about what

1064
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: that references? Sledgehammer?

1065
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 3: The most famous song about sledgehammers? Is it a song

1066
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: of what is that song actually about?

1067
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: It's a metaphor, I don't think, I.

1068
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 3: Mean, I hope it's a literal sledgehammer.

1069
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, how generous. There was also a

1070
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties sitcom starring David Rash who is a cast

1071
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 2: member on Succession.

1072
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: Who does he play on Succession?

1073
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm blanking on the character's name. Is it Ken? I

1074
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: can't remember. He's great on the show. He's great in everything.

1075
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: He's in Burn after reading the Coen Brothers movie. But

1076
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: he was the title character. I believe he's a second

1077
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: city guy, a Chicago guy from back in the day,

1078
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: and really good actor, really funny guy. He doesn't look

1079
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: like he should be as funny as he is, and

1080
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: he plays like Sledgehammer was this very goofy show that

1081
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: probably I'm guessing has aged badly because it was sort

1082
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: of like parodying like dirty hairy type cop tropes. Sure,

1083
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: and he was just like a cop who like shot everything.

1084
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: Maybe it's aged really well, who I know, it's the

1085
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: perfect It's just like everybody who can see what they

1086
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: want in it, you know. But I remember at the

1087
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: age when it came out it was a very goofy show.

1088
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: It was sort of like an airplane naked gun, kind

1089
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: of like the jokes were more important than any sort

1090
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: of bass reality or anything. Right, But I always associated

1091
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: like that was the thing where I was like, this

1092
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: guy's got his own TV show, and then when I'd

1093
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: see him, like he's in Weirdly he is in the

1094
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 2: movie United ninety three.

1095
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 3: Oh, that's the nine to eleven, one of a dueling

1096
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: nine to eleven movies.

1097
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: It's a really well made movie because it's actually like

1098
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: most of the movie is about people just doing their

1099
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: jobs on a very bad day.

1100
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: Wow. And I didn't realize though it's.

1101
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: It's it's really kind of like it didn't I might.

1102
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: I only saw the one time, but I remember thinking

1103
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: this is fascinating because it's sort of about how on

1104
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: this day there are just a lot of people who

1105
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: are good at their jobs who just sort of find

1106
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: themselves in a situation that's beyond the system's ability to

1107
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: cope with.

1108
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 3: Right.

1109
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: But one of the passengers on the flight that that

1110
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: ultimately the United ninety three, the flight that crashes in

1111
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: the field, I believe, was played by David rash. I

1112
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: hope I'm pronouncing his name right. I might be mispronouncing it,

1113
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: but I remember being so distracted by that because like sledgehammers,

1114
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: like the because it would kind of be like if

1115
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: like Leslie Nielsen was on the right, something'd be like, Frank,

1116
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: it's on the plane, Like, what's going to happen? Because

1117
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: you sort of expect when you see him, You're like, Oh,

1118
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: are they gonna like Quentin Tarantino this where he like

1119
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: pulls out his gun and kills all the hijackers or something,

1120
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: you know, are they going to rewrite the ending? But anyway,

1121
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: because I like that show, and because I like the song,

1122
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: and because I feel like a sledgehammer seems like a

1123
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: useful thing in this world, they wouldn't have invented it

1124
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: if regular hammers were enough. I'm gonna say that it's

1125
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: a gift, and I don't care if I'm wrong, because

1126
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,479
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, I think it's a trick.

1127
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 3: Connor two out of three sixty. I love a sledgehammer.

1128
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 3: It's a larger hammer, just the brute power of a sledgehammer.

1129
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean, so terrified that I was going to be

1130
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: wrong about that, because I genuinely was going to be

1131
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: angry about that one. I mean, I would have Here's

1132
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: why I would have accepted if it was something where

1133
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: it's like someone that I cared about was like hit

1134
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: by a sledgehammer, and therefore it's a curse, then I'd

1135
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: be like, fair enough.

1136
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 3: Three members of my family were killed with a sledgehair.

1137
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: You have your own personal experience, and I'm not going

1138
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: to contradict that with my, you know, pointless opinion, my

1139
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: generic pop culture opinion. But I'm so glad we arrived

1140
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: at this outcome.

1141
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: For me to bring sledgehammers onto this podcast with a

1142
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 3: horrible personal trauma attached to it and then have it

1143
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: throw it into the game would be the crowning achievement

1144
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 3: of my entire life. Oh my No, we love a sledgehammer.

1145
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: We love What could you possibly complain about with a

1146
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 3: sledgehammer smash up a sidewalk? You can just hold it feels,

1147
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: you know, just immediate power surging through your arms. Yes,

1148
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 3: I mean I don't personally own a sledgehammer and probably

1149
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 3: never will, but you love. There's nothing to.

1150
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: Complain about there, absolutely not.

1151
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: Well, no, you didn't play that game too bad. You

1152
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 3: got two out of three.

1153
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: Two out of three. That's a passing grade in any

1154
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 2: American high school.

1155
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're well on your way to uh you know,

1156
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 3: your like ninth choice college.

1157
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: And my ultimate safety.

1158
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 3: Do you think, Uh, Okay, we've got to answer a

1159
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: listener question. This is called I said no emails people

1160
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: right into I said no gifts at gmail dot com.

1161
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: Desperate people, you know, people with various problems, issues that

1162
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: they can't they've decided they've come to a place where

1163
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: they can't solve it on their own. It's in a

1164
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: lot of ways kind of sad and pathetic. But you know,

1165
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 3: generosity is kind of my love language. Actually that's not

1166
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 3: a love language, but it could be. If I say it,

1167
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: it's true. So I step out, I go out of

1168
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 3: my way. I bring the guests in and we consult.

1169
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 3: Will you help me answer a question?

1170
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1171
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 3: Okay, this feels like an email deer Bridger and guest.

1172
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 3: I have a predicament. My little sister, who is very

1173
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 3: religious and doesn't believe in birth control, keeps having kids. Now,

1174
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: no shame towards her. Whatever floats her boat. But I

1175
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: work a slightly above minimum wage job, and when it

1176
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: comes to birthdays and especially Christmas, my budget is very slim.

1177
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 3: The more kid she has, the more money I have

1178
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: to spend. All her kids are boys, there are four

1179
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: of them now, and they are all under the age

1180
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 3: of six. I need to know what I can get

1181
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: all these kids without going broke on just her family alone.

1182
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm dreading Christmas already. Please help me. I'm scared they

1183
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 3: will send me into bankruptcy. The more and more she

1184
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 3: continues to pop out help, that's I'm in therefore crying emojis,

1185
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,479
Speaker 3: which is worth noting. And that's from Tara. Tara's sister

1186
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 3: won't stop having children and apparently expects a gift for

1187
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: every one of them. That's kind of the baseline situation here.

1188
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: And did we have a number on how many so far?

1189
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: How many kids are there?

1190
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 3: We've got four under six or kind of six in

1191
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 3: order just more. It sounds like they, you know, you've

1192
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: got four under six. She's probably got years and years

1193
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 3: of having children. This could lead to twelve fifteen offspring before.

1194
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like a pretty rapid rate, one

1195
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 3: every eighteen months. And so what does the sister in law,

1196
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 3: from what we can tell, is just struggling.

1197
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: She can't.

1198
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 3: She's you know, trying to keep the lights on while

1199
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 3: still trying to be a fun aunt.

1200
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1201
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, her generosity is the real problem here. She wants

1202
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 3: the attention of all these nephews, this troop of nephews

1203
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: and the only way she can think to do it

1204
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: is through material means.

1205
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think, first of all, if money is

1206
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: a concern, you need to start looking for alternatives to

1207
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: spending money. If there are things that you already do

1208
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: for pleasure that you can incorporate into the gift making process,

1209
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: Like let's say you like doing X, Y or Z,

1210
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: and there's a tangible result of those Like let's say

1211
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: you enjoy painting, or you enjoy you know, knitting things

1212
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: or something like, there's a creative pursuit you enjoy making

1213
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: sculpture or writing poems or whatever it is, and it's

1214
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: something you're going to be doing anyway, why not multitask?

1215
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: Why not? Now that's that specific circumstance that that might

1216
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: not be the answer. If you don't have anything like that.

1217
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 2: One way, you could sort of kill two.

1218
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 3: Birds, kind of create another job for yourself.

1219
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is if you already are doing

1220
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: something for fun that can outcome that makes a gift,

1221
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: that's a workaround because they don't have to know that

1222
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: you would have been doing it anyway, like oh, I

1223
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: made the sculpture, it's for you, you know, And they

1224
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: don't have to know that you would have done it anyway.

1225
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: Another thing that you do, if you particularly if you

1226
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: like your nephews, is start making some making a big

1227
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: deal out of something that is not an expensive thing,

1228
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 2: like an experiential gift, like if you like spending time

1229
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: with your nephews, making a big deal out of one

1230
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: of your presents going to be we're gonna we're going

1231
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: to go to you know, this place or that place

1232
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: that maybe isn't as expensive as a gift, but feels

1233
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 2: like a big deal because that's also creating a memory.

1234
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: That's right. But but you can package it in a

1235
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: way that it's like we're going to go to such

1236
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: and such a place, trip to the river. We're going

1237
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: to go to the river.

1238
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 3: Ah, find an open field.

1239
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna play this game I invented

1240
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: for you, you know, or some something that that they

1241
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: that will be more valuable to them than.

1242
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1243
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: My one of my favorite uncles, my uncle Liam, was

1244
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: an artist professionally, and I remember there was one either

1245
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: birthday Christmas where he did a he did a really

1246
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 2: nice drawing of Donald Duck. It's like a professional quality

1247
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: drawing of Donald Duck, and he framed it, and I

1248
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: still have it on my wall in my parents' house.

1249
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 2: It's something I would never part with, even though I

1250
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: don't have it in my partner.

1251
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 3: But you've decided not to bring it with you.

1252
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: It's just like among the stuff that eventually I'm gonna

1253
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: have to bring with me whenever my parents move out

1254
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: of that house. But I don't remember any other gifts

1255
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: he got me. I don't know if he ever got

1256
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: me any other gifts. So maybe there's a world and

1257
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: as you do one great gift and then you back off,

1258
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: like I don't give gifts every birthday. Maybe started establishing

1259
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: a precedent, which is like, I'm not the gift aunt.

1260
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: That's the real answer here is kind of become the

1261
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 3: person that they can't count on for anything.

1262
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that the true lesson now that I

1263
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: think about it, is what she can take from you

1264
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 2: as inspiration. And she could just say to her nephews,

1265
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: I said no gifts.

1266
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: I have just become increasingly distant.

1267
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just you reverse it. It's not don't bring

1268
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: me gifts. It's like I'm not getting you all gifts anymore.

1269
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,440
Speaker 2: Did you not hear me? I said no, gifts.

1270
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 3: That feels like the perfect solution, Or how about.

1271
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: This in line with that that you're like twenty twenty

1272
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 2: one your death fear that didn't come true? Maybe this

1273
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: is probably a terrible idea for gift. You make them

1274
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 2: think something terrible happened and then you reveal that the

1275
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 2: gift is that it really didn't happen.

1276
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 3: Just the relief is the gift.

1277
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's like you pick them up from school

1278
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: and you say, something happened and I had to pick

1279
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: you up and your parents they were in a terrible

1280
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: accident and you'll be living with me from now, and

1281
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: then you just drive them their home to their home.

1282
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: They'll be distraught for a few minutes and you say,

1283
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: guess what, I didn't get you a Christmas present? But

1284
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: the gift is that there was no accident, and now

1285
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 2: you get to have the gratitude of knowing that your

1286
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: life is better than it could have been.

1287
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: And there's a good chance that'll be the last time

1288
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 3: you see any of them again.

1289
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: That's right, So that's a gift for yourself. Yeah, make

1290
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: it so that your gifts are not welcome.

1291
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, just give the worst possible thing and then they'll

1292
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 3: just say, you don't need to worry about it this year.

1293
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 3: Just your presence is lovely. Come over and have dinner.

1294
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 3: Please don't give us anything.

1295
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: Here's a variation. One Christmas or one Birthday, give all

1296
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: four nephews something that makes a lot of noise in

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: the house. And then at the next holiday, don't give

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Speaker 2: a gift and see if anyone says anything, because I

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Speaker 2: think I think her sister will be like, I'm just

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Speaker 2: so glad it wasn't like another noisy thing that we had.

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Speaker 3: To hear in the house, right, twelve trumpets or what

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Speaker 3: have you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something that plays music and loud noises until again.

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: And then the next time it's sort of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't bring anything. We're just like you know, Marie Condo.

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Speaker 2: Give them the things that don't spark joy in your

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Speaker 2: own home. Oh that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just clear out. Use these increasing nephews as kind

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Speaker 3: of a you know, just a clearing house. And every

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Speaker 3: year they're getting a little bit more of the things

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Speaker 3: you don't need. They can't say no, and then they

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Speaker 3: it's their problem. It seems like you went out of

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Speaker 3: your way.

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Speaker 2: You didn't wrap them up nice and everything looks pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It's like when you get a like a really small

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Speaker 2: dessert in a fancy restaurant, but it's on a big

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Speaker 2: plate and you put a little drizzle on it and

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Speaker 2: it looks like you've got a really great dessert, but

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Speaker 2: it really could be anything.

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Speaker 3: This is the gift version of that.

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Speaker 2: You wrap anything up nice enough, it sort of looks like,

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Speaker 2: oh boy, okay, pretty good. Yeah. I think that's that

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 2: should be more than enough options. I think we've again

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Speaker 2: about eight or nine. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If Derek doesn't have an option, she can't zero in

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Speaker 3: on one of those ideas. I think she's got to

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Speaker 3: go to another podcast or just admit to herself that

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Speaker 3: she's an awful aunt and that she's only going to

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 3: become worse as the nieces and nephews increase. So maybe

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Speaker 3: this is just a self acceptance moment for Terra. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which is also works.

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Speaker 2: Life's hard, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, whatever, Connor, we answered it perfectly, more than perfectly,

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Speaker 3: beyond perfect, and here we are. I now have my

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Speaker 3: quick fix kit, which will eventually, you know, could within

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Speaker 3: the next few months, lead to some sort of serious

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Speaker 3: life altering injury from me. Yeah, and uh, I mean

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Speaker 3: we'll just have to see how it plays out. But

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Speaker 3: it's nice that there is.

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Speaker 2: Having to use it.

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 3: You'll be named in the obituary or whatever we need.

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Speaker 2: The Welly was not able to Welly was not enough.

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 2: It was a minor for minor quick fixes.

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: He tried to use it in June, and unfortunately that

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Speaker 3: was not enough. I've had a wonderful time with you here.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's been delight Thank you so much for being

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01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 3: here and thank you for having me listener. Now it's

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01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 3: time for you to close the door on another episode

1349
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 3: of this podcast and do whatever you want with the

1350
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 3: rest of your day. You know, maybe before starting the

1351
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: podcast you could think of a few things you want

1352
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 3: to do after the podcast, so you don't, you know,

1353
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 3: fly into this kind of panic that you always do

1354
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 3: when I end the episode. Just something to keep in

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01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: mind for the future. I hope you have a nice

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Speaker 3: rest of your day. I love you, goodbye. I Said

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by

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Speaker 3: our dear friend Analise Nelson and it's beautifully mixed by

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Speaker 3: John Brandley. The theme song, of course, could only come

1360
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 3: from miracle Worker Amy Man. You must follow the show

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Speaker 3: on Instagram at I Said No gifts. I don't want

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01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see

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01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 3: pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't

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Speaker 3: you want to see pictures of the gifts?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 3: Make sure to listen, follow, and most important, they leave

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Speaker 3: the Wondery.

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Speaker 1: App the lie invit did you hear funn a man?

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: Myself perfectly clear?

1374
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 2: But you're a guest to me.

1375
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty And I said, no, guest,

1376
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: your presences presence enough. I'm already too much stuff.

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Speaker 2: So how do you dance? Survey me