1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Warning you're about to enter the arena and join the 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: battle to. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: Save America with your host Sean Parnell. 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Good evening, America, Welcome to Battleground Live. This is the 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: show where we kick ass and take names in lockhorns 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: with the radical left. We never quit, we never surrender. 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: From sea to Shining Sea and everybody in between. Welcome 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: Patriots on this glorious Tuesday. You know who we have 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: on deck today? We have a great American patriot named 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Steve Friend, former FBI agent whistleblower. He's a best selling 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: author of a book called True Blue. He's on deck 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: a little bit later in the show. I'm super psyched 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: to have him. He's a first time guest. He's a 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: first timer here on Battleground Live, and it is an 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: honor to have him. Folks in the live chat, I 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: want you to give him a warm welcome when he 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: comes on. Support everything that this guy does because he's 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: a great American patriot. Folks, I've got to tell you 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: so much going on today, and also, yeah, it's a 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: tough time to do a show many of you all. 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Just a couple of personal anecdotes before we get into things. 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: I saw, Yeah, I Am. It's been a crazy, crazy 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: time obviously with Thanksgiving and Christmas. That makes it crazy. 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Right now, it looks like a Christmas bomb went off 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: in my house and no I know, Commander Melanie is listening. 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: That does not meet in the house is messy. It's not. 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: But we're unpacking all of our Christmas stuff and it's everywhere, 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: so it's out, but the decorations are not up. We 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: also have the elves on the shelves out, which causes 30 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of consternation in this family because I 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: love the elves. Commander Melanie does not. She sees the 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: elves as like a weird Christmas Big Brother type things 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: where she does not want the elves flying back to 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Santa and telling Santa about the kids. Melanie takes her 35 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: privacy very, very very seriously, So Thanksgiving, Christmas shopping for 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: five kids makes things a little bit crazy. I'm sure 37 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: you all understand. And then with Emma, my middle daughter, 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: making the basketball team, all of her games we just 39 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: found out are at three point thirty, so it's very 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: important to me to be there for all the kids 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: at their games, understanding that you know, sometimes you're gonna 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: miss them. But I've got to figure out something. So 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: it ran over to the school today and at this 44 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: point they're just scrimmages. So we ran over today at 45 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: like three point thirty and poked our head in the gym, 46 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: and no other parents were there, so we didn't want 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: to embarrass her, so we skulked our way out of 48 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: the building. So at any rate, if you're sensing that 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm busy, it's it's you're right. It's just a crazy 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: time of year. And add to all of the personal stuff, 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: the Trump transition stuff, folks, you know a lot of 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: the people who I've had on this show are gonna 53 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: be cabinet level officials in the next Trump administration. Cash 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: Bettel is one of those people. And you know, I 55 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: know these people. I've known them, most of them for 56 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: quite some time. Pete Hegseth obviously is one of my buddies. 57 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: He's my buddy before he was actually a host on 58 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: Fox and Friends. I'm not name dropping any of this stuff. 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: I hate when people do that shit. But what I'm 60 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: what I'm telling you is that because I've known him, 61 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: you can imagine the calls that I'm getting from reporters 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: about this NonStop slow drip character assassination of Pete. And listen, yes, 63 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: when Pete was younger, he made some mistakes. When I've 64 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday, when when veterans come back from combat, yeah, 65 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: guess what we drink? Yeah, I guess what? Sometimes we 66 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: do stupid things. I've done this as well. But Pete 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Hegseth in his twenties is not the Pete hegsett that 68 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: is being nominated for Secretary of Defense today. And then 69 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: added on top of all that, and this is what 70 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: the deep state does a lot with, especially the defense 71 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: industrial complex, the military industrial complex, oftentimes, what they do 72 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: when they're opposed to somebody that would potentially bring about 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: reform because remember, big bloated bureaucracies love the status quo 74 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: because the money keeps flowing, people keep being promoted. They 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: don't like any disruption in that. And anybody that represents 76 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: a disruption is a threat. And that's exactly put in 77 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: very simple terms, what Pete Hegseth represents to the military 78 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: industrial complex. Somebody that's going to reform the department of 79 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: a Department of Defense, somebody who said so openly, who's 80 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: written books about this, and they don't like that. So 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: what they do is they try to destroy this person. 82 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: So they take what is a kernel of truth and 83 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: they weave a web of lies around it that is 84 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: so thick that it becomes almost impossible to refute all 85 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: of these allegations. Talking specifically or just one example of 86 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: this is the New Yorker piece that came out on 87 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth yesterday. I've known Pete since the beginning of 88 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: our days at Concerned Veterans for America. In fact, I 89 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: talked about this stuff before Pete was even nominated for 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: the job on the show. The exceptional work that we've done. 91 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: There were so many lies within that hit piece. Put 92 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: yourself in Pete's shoes. His job right now is to 93 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: meet with US senators. There are fifty of them that 94 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: he needs to convince. Those hit pieces, while they're intended 95 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: to shape public sentiment, intended to assassinate his character, those 96 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: hit pieces are meant for those fifty plus now Republican senators. 97 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: The hope is to try to chill a couple of 98 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: them out from voting on Pete. That's exactly what the 99 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: goal is. But there were so many lies within that piece, 100 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: that hit piece against them. I mean, imagine if you're Pete, 101 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: you're navigating this process, there is no feasible way for 102 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: you to sit down with the great many reporters who 103 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: are writing these hit pieces of which there are many 104 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: many allegations out there. It is impossible for him to 105 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: refute each and every one of them. And I'm here 106 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: to tell you as somebody who's been through that that's 107 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: exactly the point. And so the way in which Republicans 108 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: should approach this is with great skepticism, but not be 109 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: shy about rising up in defense of our people. The 110 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: deep state, the blob and Trench's bureaucrats, call them whatever 111 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: you want, their allies in the media, the left wing, 112 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats in Congress. They rely on you being silent, 113 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: and that silence can oftentimes lead to you know, candidate, 114 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: a candidate's demise or nominees. It could lead to their 115 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: demise too in front of the Senate. So that's precisely 116 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: what these allegations are all about, to chill allies from 117 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: getting involved in his support, to chill US senators, Republican 118 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: senators for voting for his nomination. 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He welcome my friend 144 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: to Battleground Live. It's your first time on the show. Welcome. 145 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate the invitation today. This is great. 146 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: It's great to have you. It's great to have you. 147 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: In fact, this is a long time coming. So tell 148 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: us a little bit about your background, and then I 149 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: want to get into all the news of the day. 150 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: Get your thoughts on everything that's happening on Capitol Hoo, 151 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on cash hotel, what we can do 152 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: in the FBI. Could go down that path, but you're 153 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: you're a former FBI agent, You're an FBI whistleblower, right, 154 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: You're a best selling author of a book called True Blue. 155 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: You've got lots of things going on. So tell us 156 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: how exactly you came to be at this moment right now, 157 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: right here, right now. 158 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: Well married, father of two, But journey starts in hometown 159 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 2: of Savannah, Georgia. Was a police officer there for a 160 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: number of years. And then how old are your kids? 161 00:09:59,200 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: How old are your kids? 162 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 3: Ten and seven? 163 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: Oh, so you're right, you're right in that very interesting 164 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: age ten and seven. Father too, So were you a 165 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: police officer when you your first kid? 166 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: I was a police officer. The day I met my 167 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: wife was the day I got my badge. I didn't 168 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: have a single day as a single cop. 169 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: So she didn't know what she was getting into, and 170 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: she married you. 171 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: She's just always known me as a law enforcement guy. 172 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: But you know, we're in the happy age right now 173 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 2: where they can kind of take care of themselves and 174 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: they don't resent me yet, so it's it's. 175 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: Pretty sposed sailing for a couple of years. 176 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, man, Like we have five, so I've got 177 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: I've got a senior right so she's driving now. I 178 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: have a fifteen year old going on sixteen. I have 179 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: two fourteen year olds, while fourteen year old and a 180 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: thirteen year old, and then an eleven year old. So 181 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: we've got all ages. And the only one that still 182 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: has like a baby voice is my eleven year old. 183 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: But that's going quick. 184 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: You know. 185 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: All the rest of them, I feel like they they 186 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: are not afraid to push back against me. Let's just 187 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: say that. So, yes, it definitely gets more. It definitely 188 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: gets more challenging. Man. 189 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: Now I tell my kids, I was like, look, why 190 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: do you think I work out? Because the day that 191 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 2: you can beat me up is the day I go 192 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: into a home. So I just got to keep going 193 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: at there. 194 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: Okay, So police officer in Savannah, how do you find 195 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: your way into the FBI. 196 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: Well, my wife's actually from Ukraine and she speaks multiple languages. 197 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: And the time that we first were dating, she was 198 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: looking at her. 199 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: How did you meet your wife? How did she's here? 200 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: She is? She a US citizen? 201 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: She is? 202 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: She is she She came over to the United States 203 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: her her biological dad died when she was really young, 204 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: and her mother married to Ukrainian. She moved over in 205 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: high school and we actually met in high school, so 206 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: we were we were acquainted with each other, and then 207 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: went our separate pass and I went to college. She 208 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: went to college different and then when I came back 209 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: and decided that I didn't want to be an accountant. 210 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: After one tech season, I went into become a police officer. 211 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: And she was a friend of one of the girls 212 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: who was in my police academy, I was friends with 213 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: her and said, hey, can you hook me up with 214 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: one of your friends, because now I've got a uniform, 215 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: i got health insurance. 216 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: I'm looking to settle down. 217 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: And that she happened to be the woman that I 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: was introduced to, and she, because of her language skills, 219 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: was looking into the FBI decided that she didn't want. 220 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: To go that route, and then she got into my 221 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: ear about it. 222 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: And I'd also considered going into higher levels of law 223 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: enforcement because just being a patrol officer is a lot 224 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: of fun, but after a while, it's the same thing 225 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: every day. You don't get to see things all the 226 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 2: way through. You know, it's sort of nice to come 227 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: in with a fresh slate to shift, but when you 228 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: make that big arrest and you never get to be 229 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 2: involved in that, it's kind of leaves you wondering like, well, 230 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: what else can I take this? So the FBI looked 231 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: like a natural fit for me. Had an accounting degree 232 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: law enforcement, wound up applying. It took four years to 233 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 2: actually get hired, but got on in twenty fourteen. And then, 234 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: as is the mythos of the FBI, where they assign 235 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: you to your first office. The rumor is that it's 236 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: a monkey throwing darts at a map. They said, Steve, 237 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: you are going to Sioux City, Iowa, and transferred there 238 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: right out of the Chuote to go work on Indian 239 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: reservations in northeast Nebraska. So we were there for seven years. 240 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: Investigated violent crimes and it was really a unique Niche 241 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: get a lot of reps. I opened about two hundred cases, 242 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 2: arrested about one hundred and fifty criminals while I was 243 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: out there in seven years, went to trial eight times, 244 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: was on the SWAT team. Really enjoyed my time there 245 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: and probably would have stayed there, but wanted to get 246 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: closer to home. Both of our families are in Savannah, 247 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: and had the opportunity after a certain length of time 248 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: because they have a hard time staffing those offices because 249 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 2: it's so remote, and because the work is so luminous, 250 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: you get a benefit. So we exercised the ben fit 251 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: and went to Daytona Beach in twenty twenty one and 252 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: took the transfer to work on child pornography cases and 253 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: human trafficking, but after a couple of months was officially 254 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: reassigned to work on the Joint Terrorism Task Force to 255 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: focus on January sixth, the domestic terrorism angle of the FBI. 256 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: That is, okay, we got we got to talk about 257 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: this because I talk about January sixth on the program 258 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: all the time. So you get assigned to what was 259 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: it the Joint Terrorism Task. 260 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: Force JTTF yep, and. 261 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: They assign you to January sixth cases? Is that? When 262 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: you were like, is that? How tell me about that? 263 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: How does that? How does that even work? Like our 264 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: agents like, wait a second, this is bullshit, I mean, 265 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: how do you give me a sense of what that 266 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: was like? 267 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: So the timeline is important because I got transferred. At 268 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: the end of the fiscal year, they're going to reassign 269 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: the bodies because they have a quota system for how 270 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: they allocate their people and actually the number of cases 271 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: that they have to have, which ultimately was one of 272 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: the whistleblower disclosures I made. But at that point it's 273 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: in October of twenty twenty one, so nine months after 274 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: January sixth, I had no involvement with it. So they 275 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: moved me on over. They told me child pornography not 276 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: a priority. You're not supposed to look at it anymore. 277 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: Refer to locals, and. 278 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: I look at the cases that we have, and what 279 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: they're doing is not what they're supposed to do. And 280 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: I kind of chalk it up at first, too, Well, 281 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: you guys are terrorism guys. 282 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm doing. Maybe it's different. 283 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: But then it becomes more and more clear that they 284 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: are uniquely departed from the rules on these January sixth 285 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: cases specifically, But there wasn't anything to do on them. 286 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: They'd already been investigated, they'd already done the interviews and 287 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: reviewed all the evidence. 288 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: And they said, Steve, we're waiting for Washington DC to 289 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: tell us what to do. And that's inappropriate. It's your case. 290 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: What do you mean you're waiting to be told what 291 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: to do. So all those things are starting to percolate 292 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: in my mind, and eventually it occurs to me that, well, 293 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. Why do we have a different 294 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: case for every single person. 295 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: This is one incident. 296 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: And they said, well, we asked about that, and we 297 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: were told that this is to get buy. 298 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: In from the field. 299 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: So they opened a separate case for every single person, 300 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: and if they lived in Daytona, it became a terrorism 301 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: case in Daytona and that's the manipulation. 302 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: So now you have thousands of cases. 303 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: They've been spread around the country, and it looks like 304 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: terrorism if you look at the map, because Merrick Garland 305 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: or Christopher Ray or Joe Biden will get up there 306 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: and say domestic terrorism is on the rise. Statistically, the 307 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: FBI tells us that, well, it's because they're juking the stats, 308 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: and they're doing. 309 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: That, so that is absolutely insane. How are you This 310 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: is crazy to me. I'm like, oh, doesn't it surprise 311 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: me that the FBI is juking the stacks because the stats, 312 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: because the crime stats. I mean, I always attribute that 313 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: to the Democrats, you know. Oh look they said time 314 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: and time again during the press cindential race that oh look, 315 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: crime is down, crime is down, crime is down. I'm like, well, yeah, 316 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: crime is down if you don't include some of the 317 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: biggest crime bred in cities in the country like Detroit 318 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: and Los Angeles and New York who don't report their 319 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: crime stats to the FBI. But this is different. 320 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: So there's two elements of it too, because they want 321 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 2: to bring the nationwide crime down, because police chiefs want 322 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: to look good, the sheriffs want to look good. Hey, 323 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: we're bringing crime down. But the FBI is incentivized to 324 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: bring crime up because they get more budget if they 325 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: are viewed as being more productive, because they have a system, 326 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 2: a protocol that is called IPM Integrated Program Management. 327 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: It's very bureaucratic speak. 328 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: It's a quota that says you have to open a 329 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: certain number of cases and arrest a certain number of 330 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: people and use specific tools. So they would say, do 331 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: you think you can get a wire tap on that 332 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: case because we have to hit the quota for wire taps, 333 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: And they set the metrics to something that they can 334 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: achieve ordinarily, and they want to do that because the 335 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: bosses and all the field offices get fifty thousand dollars 336 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: bonuses when you hit the quotas. 337 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. So we got to 338 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: go back to this. So they take you off of 339 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: child pornography cases to me, essentially essentially sending the message 340 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: that J sixers are more important crimes to prosecute than 341 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: child pornographers. Do I have this right? 342 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 3: Yes? 343 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: Child pornography they call it child sexual abuse material ce SAM. 344 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: It is the lowest priority that in actually Indian reservations 345 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: are the lowest priority cases for the FBI, and it's 346 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: the most vulnerable people. But they're actually the only two 347 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: violations that you can say I can't handle it. I 348 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 2: want to beg out of it, and they will accommodate that. 349 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: But if I had a problem with the way that 350 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: they were managing the January sixth cases, and then subsequently 351 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: to that, they had interviewed one of the subjects that 352 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: they eventually got the directive to go arrest and they 353 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: said they were going to send a SWAT team to 354 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: go and arrest him. It was eighteen months since he'd 355 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: been interviewed, and in his interview he said, I'll cooperate. 356 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 2: I said, I'm not comfortable with that. That seems like 357 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: a Waco that's ready to happen. That seems like a 358 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: ruby ridge. And he has no expectation. He says he's 359 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: going to cooperate. Whytn't you come on the phone, Why 360 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: don't get in touch with his lawyer? Want you to 361 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: send a local deputy to his house asolutely? And they said, well, 362 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 2: we've we've considered all those things and we have deemed 363 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: that SWAT is. 364 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 3: The most appropriate way to bring him into custody. 365 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: So between the juking and the stats and using the 366 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: SWAT teams. The first opportunity that there was going to 367 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 2: be a rest in my office was when I went 368 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 2: to my boss and I said, what we're doing is wrong. 369 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: You guys gave me training on this. We went to 370 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: the Holocaust Memorial Museum. We go to the MLK Memorial Museum, 371 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: and you're told that you have to throw the flag 372 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: if you believe that we're off the rails. 373 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: We're off the rails. I'm throwing the. 374 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: Flag here, and within within a month I was out 375 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: on my butt. 376 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: They suspended my security clearance. 377 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: You know. It was after some several meetings, and they 378 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: basically set you up to be indefinitely suspended forever because 379 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: while they claim that I wasn't retaliated against for making 380 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: any protected disclosures, they said that my security clearance was 381 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: questioned and had to be suspended because I might have 382 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: lacked loyalty to the country. And the evidence that they 383 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: used for that was that I looked at the employee 384 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: henbook improperly. 385 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: According to them. 386 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, Steve, I did not anticipate going 387 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: down this path with you, but this is crazy. So 388 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: here you're one of the good guys. I say on 389 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: the show all the time, you know, whether we're talking 390 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: about COVID or talking about the FBI. Where are all 391 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: the agents that say, wait a second, this is bullshit. 392 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: All the agents that say, now, I'm not just going 393 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: to follow orders on this one, this is messed up. Well, 394 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: you're one of those people, and they talked you out. 395 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: I had a sit down meeting with some of the 396 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: executives in my office. 397 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 3: It was the FBI Jacksonville Field office. 398 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: Had about an hour and a half conversation with them, 399 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: and it was pretty clear they're trying to set me 400 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: up to say that I was being insubordinate and refusing 401 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: to do my job. And at one point I said, 402 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 2: I am doing my job. I'm following my training. I'm 403 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: following my oath of office. And they said, you have 404 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: an oath of office, you have a training, but your 405 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: duty is to the FBI, so you should set an 406 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: example for your children and just follow orders. 407 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: Are you? 408 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: I have it audio recorded. I have the entire interview 409 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: with those guys recorded. 410 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 3: God bless my wife. She said you better go in 411 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 3: there and take it. 412 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: That's a yeah, that's amazing that she's a she's such 413 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: a fighter like that. I happen to be very lucky. 414 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: You know, my wife is super smart like that too. 415 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: But holy shit, man, excuse my language forever. Ear must 416 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: of people who are listening and watching, But this is 417 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm so glad to have you on here, 418 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: because you know, the whole subject of the show is 419 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: weaponized American justice, and there's no better person to talk 420 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: about this than you. So these January six ers, I mean, 421 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: so God, where to how do I even go from here? 422 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: So they've got thousands of cases spread out all across 423 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: the country and these are just j six grandmas of 424 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: a sixty five year old woman who maybe walked into 425 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: the Capitol after being let in by the Capitol Hill police. 426 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: And the FBI is they're hunting these types of people. 427 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: They're actually on the books, most of them as criminal cases, 428 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: a riot, a parading charge. But the FBI is still 429 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: calling them terrorism so they can keep continuing to hit 430 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: their stats on domestic terrorism. And yes, they're all around 431 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: the country. They are still up until January twentieth and beyond. 432 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: If reform isn't they are right away they're going to 433 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: be continuing to charge people because they've been able. 434 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 3: To hit their quotas for four fiscal years on this. 435 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: And look, I was told when I first raised the concerns, 436 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: you can't object because we're going to start charging people 437 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: who didn't actually go in the building. 438 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: We want to get people who are just on the law. 439 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: We're going to say that that was a restricted area 440 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: and we will get them because we really have to 441 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: send a message here. This is a complete boondoggle. You've 442 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: got people who are personally enriching themselves. You've got people 443 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: who are saying, you'll hear a lot the refrain this 444 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: is our nine to eleven. And when they say this 445 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: is our nine to eleven, we kind of our tongue 446 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: in cheek, rolling our eyes, like, really, you think January 447 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: sixth was as bad as nine to eleven. Nine hundred 448 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: and seventy seven people died. But really, what they mean 449 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 2: is this is an opportunity for anyone who wants to 450 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: promote to say that they were involved in the January 451 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: sixth investigation, and that's going to be their meal ticket 452 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: for the rest of their career. They can just say 453 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 2: I had some sort of managerial responsibility on the largest 454 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: and most complex investigation in the history of the FBI, 455 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 2: and they've made it so the amount of resources that 456 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: they've expended on this, the manpower, they devoted so much 457 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: manpower to this that they almost came short. They've panicked 458 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: in the final month of the fiscal year last year 459 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: that they almost came short of devoting enough time to 460 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: other violations because they just pulled people away. 461 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 3: From im you were doing. 462 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm not shocked by this, but I can't help. I 463 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: can't help, but but not be shocked. You know, I 464 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: knew at some level the FBI was diverting a ton 465 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: of resources to January sixth cases, to me, which is 466 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: just ridiculous while simultaneously ignoring actual criminals. And that's why 467 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: things seem like they're so upside down in this country. 468 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, I say this all the time. 469 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: Things really do seem like they're upside down. I want 470 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: to get your opinion on this Daniel Penny thing up 471 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: in New York here in a second, But I gotta 472 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: ask before that, who is making the decision to say no, 473 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: it's got to be a swat team, you know, because 474 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: there are so many times I'll read, you know, a 475 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: report like say, I think it was an eighty year 476 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: old man out in Idaho. He was like, had a limp, 477 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: he was overweight. He was posting some kind of crazy 478 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: stuff on Facebook. The FBI had already visited him once. 479 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: Clearly they recognized that he wasn't a threat and his neighbors, 480 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: he was well liked in his community. People thought that 481 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: he was a nice guy. The FBI could have interdicted 482 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: him one of a hundred ways. Approach him on the 483 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: on the on his porch, drinking coffee, knocking his door 484 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: during daylight, interdict him at the grocery store while he's shopping. 485 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on and on and on. 486 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: But to swat team rate him in the middle of 487 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: the night, like and the guy answers the door with 488 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: a gun and gets shot to death. I can't help you. 489 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: You're talking about Utah and it's. 490 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Utah, Utah. 491 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even worse than that. So what happened with 492 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: that guy was obviously emotion disturbed. He made threats against 493 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg. The FBI visited him and then he said, 494 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: I'm not talking to you. They left, and then he 495 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 2: went online and made threats against the FBI. Then the 496 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: FBI took no action for like three or four months, 497 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: which would seem to lend credence to the theory that 498 00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: he's not. 499 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: An actual true threat. 500 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: Correct, correct, But. 501 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: Then he made threats against Joe Biden. They the FBI 502 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: jumped in front of the Secret Service and said, no, no, 503 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: we have an ongoing investigation in which they'd stretched out 504 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: and decides to send the SWAT team when yes, he 505 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: was handicapped. He actually had a mentally handicapped son who 506 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: he was in the care of. They could have just 507 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: interdicted him on his way to the mailbox, they'd already 508 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: interacted with him, but they deem that to be the 509 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: appropriate use. And often when you choose the tool, you 510 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: choose the outcome. When you send the SWAT team, that's 511 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 2: the most likely time that there actually is going to 512 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 2: be an agent involved shooting. And SWAT's a legitimate tool. 513 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: I did it for five years, But the FBI is 514 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: making the process the punishment so many and particularly on 515 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: January sixth, so many of these instances, it's wholly inappropriate, 516 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: and they are looking at the outcome instead of the process. 517 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: And this is not just for SWAT, it's for the 518 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: entire agency. Your prime directive in law enforcement for government 519 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: in general is to follow the process. Victory is in 520 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: following due process. I gather facts, I present dent them 521 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: at court, and the jury renders its verdict. If the 522 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: jury says not guilty, it's because the facts didn't support 523 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 2: a conviction, not because I didn't do my job. 524 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 3: I did my job. That's the victory. 525 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 2: But when you're interested in the outcome, that's when you 526 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: cut corns. That's when you manipulate the process, as they've 527 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: done for January sixth. 528 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: And this is outside the FBI. 529 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 2: But the most egregious example, and the best one I 530 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: point to for this is Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby drugged 531 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: and sexual assaulted numerous women, and then he was called 532 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: in and had a conversation behind closed doors with the prosecutor, 533 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: and the prosecutor said, tell me what happened and I 534 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: won't use it against you, and Bill Cosby did, and 535 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: then the prosecutor violated that and charged him, and then 536 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: Bill Cosby walked free because the government didn't follow the process. 537 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 2: And now those young ladies will never see justice, and 538 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: it's the fault of the government for that. That's what 539 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: happens when you get let the outcome be in the 540 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: way of what your actual charge is, and that's to 541 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: follow the rules for allow the constitution, follow the process. 542 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: You're not a system disruptor when you work law enforcement, 543 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: you're a system idealist. 544 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: The system disruptors are in Silicon Valley. That's in the 545 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: private sector. 546 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: But in the public sector, the system disruptors, they're the 547 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: bad guys. They're the criminals who are disrupting our way 548 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: of life. They're disrupting our justice system, our polite society, 549 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: and it's your job to bring. 550 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: Balance to that. But now the bad guys are the FBI. 551 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: Well, well exactly, yeah, the bad guys are the FBI. 552 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: And not only that. We talked about Alvin Bragg, what's 553 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 1: happening in the Manhattan Prosecutor's office, and I think that 554 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: what the DA's office up there in Manhattan and what 555 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: they're doing to Daniel Penny. You know, witness statements from 556 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: people who are actually in the trial are talking about 557 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: These are lawyers that are actually they're watching the trial 558 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: but not involved in trying it, are saying this is 559 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: an absolute miscarriage of justice. Here. You have a man 560 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: who is a good samaritan that stepped in to protect people, 561 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: and he's being tried for manslaughter or I think murder either. 562 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: To me, like both are pretty damn bad. And you've 563 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: got criminals in New York every single day, some of 564 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: them are violent, being let off scott free without bail, 565 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: right back out onto the streets. So the system itself, 566 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: so it's not just what scares me. What scares me, Steve, 567 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: is that you have obviously agents FBI agents who are 568 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: interested in the outcome and cutting corners like crazy, like 569 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: you said, but you also have a system of justice, 570 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: especially in these radical left wing areas, that is also corrupt. 571 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: And to me, this is like a very very dangerous 572 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: thing that does not just end with Trump after four 573 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: years unless he's very aggressive on this. What do you 574 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: think about all of that, Daniel Penny and everything else. 575 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: It's obviously a miscarriage of justice that's going on in 576 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: New York City, But what we have to actually face 577 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: facts is that it's the battlefield conditions as they are. 578 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to live this. It's a suboptimal time 579 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: to be in. But you do not have the same 580 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: rights in New York City or Washington, d C. Or 581 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: any of these big blue cities. That you do in 582 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: the rest of America at this time. And I was 583 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: even thinking, best outside of the Daniel pennything, that when 584 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: the trial was going on for Donald Trump, there were 585 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: people that were going to go and protest on his 586 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: behalf down in New York City. 587 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: Don't go. 588 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: You don't have a First Amendment there. That's like outside 589 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: of America at this point. And the fact that we 590 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: have one side that has recognized that and the other 591 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: side that doesn't is really lending itself to all the 592 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: problems we have. Their basic reality is, and the sad 593 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: reality is that country is involved in a cold civil 594 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: war right now. 595 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 3: It's cold. 596 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: But one side is libertarian and conservative and says, look, 597 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: I can get along with my neighbor. They might have 598 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: a yard sign for a candidate who I don't like, 599 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: but as long as they mow their lawn, we're fine. 600 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: We all want the same things. 601 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: And the other side is the Borg from Star Trek, 602 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: and resistance is futile. 603 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: You will be assimilated. 604 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: That was not as banned as required, and it is 605 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: an asymmetrical battle. And until we get to a point 606 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: where we have mutually assured destruction, I don't see any 607 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: way out of it. And unfortunately, we're on a path 608 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 2: for the coal war to go hot and go kinetic, 609 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: and we're going to have Antietam part two unless you 610 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: have some energetic executives or legislators that are willing to 611 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: take this up in the red areas to get to 612 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: some sort of semblance of normalcy. And again it's not optimal. 613 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to live in this place. But the 614 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: reason that Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union was because 615 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: he had mutually assured destruction. That's why they're no longer 616 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. It needs to be the same thing. 617 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: There needs to be a Fannie Willis for the right 618 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: going after a prominent Democrat or prominent communist, as I'm 619 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: more likely to say, there needs to be when it 620 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: comes to Hunter Biden being pardoned. There needs to be 621 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: preemptive blanket pardons from Donald Trump. The only thing that 622 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: communists in this country can understand and respect onto is 623 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: pain and fear of more pain being called a hypocrite. 624 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 3: That is the most republican thing. 625 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: Ever. They don't care on those strongly worded letters. I mean, 626 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, I mean this is exactly right. The 627 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: only thing that that that the communists left understands is power. 628 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: And the only way this stops is if Republicans wield 629 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: that power and make them feel the political pain that 630 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: everyone else has felt. And and and it's not about revenge, 631 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: it's not about retribution, but it is about accountability. These 632 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: are these are leftists and political operators that have that 633 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, left this who been elected, but also leftist 634 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: appointees who have infested our justice system and and are 635 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: twisting it own way that is diametrically opposed to America's 636 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: founding Steve, And I mean, honestly, who's making the call 637 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: that no, it's got to be a swat team? Like, 638 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: are these political type people? How does the FBI Because 639 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: you've got clearly you've got good agents on the ground 640 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: like you that are saying, nope, I'm not doing this. 641 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: Maybe they're few and far between, But who is making 642 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: the call to say it's got to be a swat team, 643 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: because clearly that whoever that person is is a political 644 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: type person. 645 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: Right, it's executive management within the field office. So there's 646 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: fifty five field offices around the country, and there's a 647 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: special agent who's the top dog, the top boss, it's 648 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: normally for most it's a special agent in charge. Unless 649 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: it's one of the major cities, it's a little bit 650 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: higher up, and it is up to that individual or 651 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: maybe one of their lieutenants, their assistant special agents in 652 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: charge to evaluate, and they have a like a decision tree. 653 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: They call it a matrix about when it's appropriate to 654 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: use SWAT, but. 655 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: A matrix they have like a little decision tree. You 656 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: can't just like common sense. It like, well, and you 657 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't use flat against the ninety year old guy with 658 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: the cane. 659 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: The matrix allows for broad discretion when it comes to SWAT. 660 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: So if there is a belief that there's a firearm president, 661 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: then SWAT can be authorized. 662 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: Well, I live in Florida, so that's everyone. 663 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: If they think that there's a large dog, then they 664 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 2: can send SWAT. It's overly broad, and I'm not necessarily 665 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 2: hating that so much, and you want to give discretion 666 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: to people to do that, but you're also supposed to 667 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: be vetting people of integrity at this point and to 668 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: have common sense and to look at that in the 669 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: facts and say, hey, look, that guy's an eighty year 670 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: old handicapped person. 671 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 3: That's probably an inappropriate use of that, but he doesn't 672 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 3: brief really well. 673 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 2: It breaths much better if you're a climber, if you 674 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: want to aspire to higher levels within the bureau, that 675 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: you would say, hey, threat to the president. Do you 676 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: want to be the guy that said the idem's sad squat, 677 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: I just sent a couple of agents over to handle it. No, 678 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 2: it breathes much better to say you set tactical elements that. 679 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fascinating. So okay, can I take a quick 680 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: break and bring you back on the other side. I 681 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about God, I did not anticipate, folks, 682 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: to the folks who are listening and watching, going down 683 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: this path with you, Steve, But your story is fascinating. 684 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: In your insight to the inner workings of the FBI 685 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: is equally fascinating. Can we talk about when I come back, 686 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: just your thoughts on the Marlago raid and rating President Trump? 687 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: And then I want to get your thoughts on Cash 688 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: Matella as FBI director. Is that cool? 689 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 690 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: All right? Stay right there more with Steve. Friend man, 691 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: this dude smart. We got to support him in any 692 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: way that you can. I'm gonna give Steve a chance 693 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: at the end of all this to tell us how 694 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: we can best do that. 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Go to SUPPORTIFCJ dot org to 711 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: make a gift now that is SUPPORTIFCJ dot org or 712 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: call to give at eight eight eight four eight eight 713 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: IFCJ that's eight eight eight four eight eight four three 714 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: two five call them right now. Back with Steve fran 715 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: and FBI agent, whistleblower, best selling author. Welcome back, my friend. Okay, 716 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: there's so much stuff going on that I wanted to 717 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: talk to you about it. I mean, clearly, we talked 718 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: about the Daniel Penny thing, absolutely crazy. I want to 719 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: ask you about the Marlago raid and some other stuff 720 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: with the cash Betel, But what did you think? What 721 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: do you think about Joe Biden's pardon of Hunter Biden? Personally, 722 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: I was not surprised, because I told the audience I 723 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: think many people disagree with me, but like if I'm 724 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: President of the United States, okay, and my son's in 725 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: a lot of trouble and and and probably a lot 726 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: of that trouble I know, in my heart of hearts 727 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: is because I put him in that position. Right I'm 728 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: gonna tell people exactly this, Steve. I'm gonna say, let's 729 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: see how the process plays out. I'm not making any 730 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: judgments right now. Let's just let's let justice take its course. 731 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: But at the end, I'm gonna pardon my son. I'm 732 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: not gonna lie about it, though. Joe Biden and every 733 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: single member of the White House staff lied about this 734 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: for a year. What do you think about that craziness? 735 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 2: Well, look, they are they're allergic to the truth. I 736 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 2: think we all know that. And he's a communist. He's 737 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 2: outcome driven, he's not processed driven. And this was never 738 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: not going to happen. It was a freak's complete But 739 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: it's a cautionary tale. If you're going to try to 740 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 2: take out the king, you better not miss. They left 741 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 2: that guy up there with the power he's he is 742 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: still Joe Biden, the human rumba is the most powerful 743 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: human who has ever walked the earth, just by nature 744 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 2: of the technology and the capability we have as a military. 745 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, who they orchestrate a coup to remove from 746 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 2: the ticket, and then she loses, and they still got 747 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 2: to have him. 748 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 3: Finish out the stretch. 749 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 2: Nope, he's just going to bring it all down with 750 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 2: him because he doesn't owe the Democrat Party anything at 751 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: this point. I don't even think they gave him a 752 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 2: soft landing to get the Presidential Library and give his 753 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,959 Speaker 2: son a no show job. 754 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: He's the most powerful room on the face of the planet. 755 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: In fact, some of the room of vacuum cleaners are 756 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: probably smarter than Joe. They're probably faster decision makers than 757 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. 758 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 3: None of them suck as hard as Joe though. 759 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I mean, you're right. I said for 760 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: a long time, Steve, that Trump wins from now and 761 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: to the time he's sworn in is probably one of 762 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 1: the most dangerous times that we've ever experienced as a country, 763 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: because they've done everything that they could possibly do to 764 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: try to take this guy out, including the FBI raiding 765 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: his home. I gotta believe you had strong feelings about that. 766 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: Probably wasn't surprising though. 767 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 2: Well, what we have to say first is that the 768 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 2: raid is wholly inappropriate. But the one thing that I 769 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 2: think a lot of people on our side got confused 770 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 2: about and took umbradge with was the wrong thing, and 771 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 2: that was the whole the use of deadly worse aspect 772 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 2: to the operations plan. So what people that need to 773 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 2: understand about that is it is in any time you 774 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 2: do an operation, swat an interview, I mean anything, you 775 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: have to have an operations plan, and part of it 776 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 2: includes this one page in there that just restates the 777 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 2: use of force policy. It's a cya, so that if 778 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 2: you have to engage in that that way, they can 779 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 2: say when was the last time you were briefed on it? Well, 780 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 2: it's in the operations plan, so you can't claim you 781 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 2: didn't know the rules. So that when people said, oh, 782 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 2: it was a kill order, that was a confusion. But 783 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 2: what people need to know is that there were other 784 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 2: elements that that did not get the publicity because they 785 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 2: got focused on the wrong thing. So you had a 786 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 2: counterintelligence squad from Washington, DC that came down, traveled by 787 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 2: plane to go and do this search. Why is a 788 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: counterintelligence squad in Washington, d C. Doing it's c in 789 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 2: mar A Lago. That's FBI Miami. Why so well, they 790 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 2: elected to go and do this when they were told 791 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 2: by their superior Stephen d'antoino also who oversaw the January 792 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: sixth investigation, that he didn't. 793 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 3: Think that was appropriate. 794 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 2: He said that just a simple coordinating and consent search 795 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: would be appropriate. And his underling said, no, we're going 796 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 2: forward with this and they're going to use HRT hostage 797 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 2: Rescue team to do it. 798 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 3: To send the message. 799 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 2: And then you wonder also why the special as in 800 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 2: charge of Miami Division at the time, George Pirou, Why 801 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 2: he would That's an opportunity for him to send his people, 802 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 2: and Miami is a catbird seat to promote. Well, George 803 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 2: had already been up and he'd been demoted because he 804 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 2: had some problems, mostly along the lines of being within 805 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 2: the company of a young lady one of his subordinates 806 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 2: in a bureau vehicle receiving. 807 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 3: Some sexual favors. 808 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,720 Speaker 2: Maybe it's because he was compromised that that was allowed 809 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 2: to happen. 810 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 3: So there was a lot of salacious information that went 811 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 3: on with that. 812 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 2: But by and large, and the overall is that wholly inappropriate, 813 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: appropriate for them to do that. And the fact that 814 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 2: now the case has been dismissed just shows how when 815 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: you weaponize the agency, the FBI is the teeth on 816 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 2: that attack dog to politicize agency. 817 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 1: Well, Steve, did you say they sent the hostage rescue 818 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: team down to mar Lago? 819 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 3: Yes? 820 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: Why, Well, I mean to send a message. 821 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,280 Speaker 3: Really, the difference between. 822 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: The best hostage rescue team in the world, the best 823 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: swat team. 824 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 2: In the world forty million dollars for one hundred dudes 825 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 2: that are just sitting around looking for work most of 826 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 2: the time. Most of the time they actually are asking 827 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 2: for work so they can justify their existence. 828 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 3: But this was definitely a send the message. 829 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 2: And the difference between a routine search and a raid 830 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 2: is whether or not you call CNN ahead of time. 831 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,240 Speaker 3: So that was what went on there. They wanted to send. 832 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 2: Them the The federal government under Joe Biden has completely 833 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 2: mobilized itself for the last four years against Donald Trump, 834 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 2: using whatever they could, and they threw everything they could 835 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 2: at him, and he still was able to tiptoe through 836 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: the rain drops and make it through. 837 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 3: And the people had their say. The people were were 838 00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 3: the jury. 839 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 2: And it was your renullification on November fifth, and because 840 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 2: by electing him, they shut down all of those cases. 841 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, tiptoe through the rain drops is one way to 842 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: say it. It's like more like a minefield, right. It's 843 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable to me. You know, you put yourself in 844 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: Milania's shoes, right, and you're Trump is very protective of 845 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: his family, and people always give him a bunch of shit, 846 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: Steve because all of mean sweets or they don't like 847 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: the things that he says. And I think to myself, 848 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: if you were in his shoes as a patriarch of 849 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: his family, and you saw, you know, the government, elected officials, 850 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: the media go after your wife, your children, your grandchildren, 851 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: and the way that the media has If you are 852 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: not doing the things that Donald Trump is what was 853 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: doing to protect them, I would think less of whoever 854 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,839 Speaker 1: that person was for not defending their family that way, right, 855 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: And it would be almost impossible for me to sit 856 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: back and watch the FBI do that to, you know, 857 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: like go through my wife's things and for a reason 858 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: that you know this is the other thing, for a 859 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 1: reason that you know is complete and total unjustified bullshit. 860 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: Just takes a special kind of person to do that, right. 861 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 2: And I think there's an action, an added element to this. 862 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 2: And I've actually thought about this. If if you had 863 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 2: a chance, I've never met Donald Trump, if you had 864 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 2: a chance to ask him one question, really the wonder 865 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 2: Woman last year of truth question, What would you ask him? 866 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 3: And I really would ask him? Is it lonely being you? 867 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 2: Because you're this billionaire. Everyone who's coming actually has an angle, right, 868 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,800 Speaker 2: you have to take it all with you got to 869 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 2: be skeptical of every single thing. 870 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 3: Is this person kissing up to me. 871 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 2: But you know who's not coming at me with an 872 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 2: angle your family, because your dad or your grandpa or 873 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 2: your husband, and that violation had to as much as 874 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 2: it would be a front and offensive to you and 875 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 2: to me, it's got to be magnified by in order 876 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 2: of magnitude for Donald Trump. 877 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: I agree. And so that brings us the Cash Battel. 878 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean the media is going, I mean they are 879 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: apoplectic about but Cash, I want you to listen to 880 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: this sound bite, and I want to get your reaction 881 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: to it. Okay, check this out. Donald Trump is now 882 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: apparently considering appointing loyalist Cash Battel to the position of 883 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: FBI Director. How dangerous might this be? 884 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 3: Cash Patel, who's a total bomb thrower, MAGA person. 885 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 4: I suppose if we still had the ability to be shocked. 886 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 4: It's shocking. 887 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: Who is this man and why did so many top 888 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: officials fear him? 889 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 2: It's a terrible development for the men and women of 890 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 2: the FBI and also for the nation. 891 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 3: There have been some concerns voiced by John Bolton. 892 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 4: He believes in nothing except serving Donald Trump. 893 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 1: Hottel is a MAGA loyalist known for his extreme rutteroric. 894 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 2: Betel has promised to go after journalists, among others, and 895 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 2: more or less dismantle the agency. 896 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: Putting someone like Cash Pattel in the position of director 897 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: of the FBI is I believe, extremely extremely dangerous. 898 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,439 Speaker 3: The most dangerous, not in any that we've seen yet 899 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 3: to our democracy. 900 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: I think he's not a distraction. I think this is 901 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: actually one of the dangerous ones that we need to 902 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: be paying attention to. 903 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 3: It's dangerous to put someone like this in charge. People 904 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 3: called Patel dangerous. 905 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: How dangerous? Is that? Deeply dangerous? 906 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 4: Extraordinarily dangerous, And this is a very dangerous moment. 907 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 3: Bettel is facing criticism for a lack of experience he. 908 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: Has, Indeed, as you note, no qualifications. 909 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 3: Cash Pattel is profoundly unqualified for this job. Cash Betel, 910 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 3: who has absolutely no business being the director of the FBI. 911 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: There is no ideology, there's no agenda here other than retribution, 912 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: singularly focused on exacting revenge. We has talked about targeting people, to. 913 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 4: Go after journalists, to go after political critics. You have 914 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 4: the makings of, you know, a not so slow motion 915 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 4: authoritarian takeover of the United States government, and people ought 916 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 4: to be really concerned about this. 917 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: Come on, Cash, Bael. I've known Cash long time. He 918 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: cares deeply about the reputation of the FBI. He's been 919 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: on the front end of going after terrorists for a 920 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: long time, got multiple awards under the Obama administration for 921 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: doing just that. They're scared of Cash Betel because I 922 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: think he's gonna hold people accountable. Steve, what do you 923 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: tell me? Just start, start to finish. What do you 924 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: think about Cash Hotel? What do you think about the 925 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: media's reaction? Like, tell me what you're thinking about this? 926 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 2: Inject that reaction straight into my veins. Pot calling kettle 927 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 2: very much. It's a completely weaponized agency at this point. 928 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 3: He's a danger. He's a danger to doing what the 929 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 3: exact thing that you're. 930 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: Just like, I'm dangered to democracy out. I mean, that's 931 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: all these ask clowns say about anything. It's ridiculous. It's old. 932 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 1: Nobody buys this shit. 933 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 2: No, and look, Cashptel is eminently qualified for all. You 934 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 2: can be dismissive of his background if you read I 935 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 2: don't know one Centon's from MSNBC. The guy was a 936 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 2: prosecutor for JAYSOK, so he was prosecuting the war on terror, 937 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 2: he was the chief of staff over at DoD. He 938 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 2: was part of OD and I and was really vital 939 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 2: and crucial in exposing what the FBI did during the 940 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,720 Speaker 2: Crossfire Hurricane Russia Gate scandal. And then the other element 941 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 2: that nobody is really paying attention to very much is 942 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 2: he was a public defender, federal and local. So he 943 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 2: brings both perspectives. He wants to go after. 944 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 3: The bad guys, they're real bad guys. 945 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 2: But then also knows the power that is actually at 946 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 2: the fingertips of the government and when it makes the 947 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 2: process the punishment, how wrong that can truly be. So 948 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 2: this is to me, the guy also has an opportunity 949 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 2: to be the most beloved, the most beloved director in 950 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 2: the history of the FBI. He could actually do with 951 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 2: Jaeger Hoover. They thought he was going to do, but 952 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,439 Speaker 2: then he became weaponized. He can turn the agency from 953 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,240 Speaker 2: the pits of hell to something that we all hoped 954 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 2: and aspired that it would be, and that would be 955 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 2: a preeminent, premier law enforcement agency that upheld the rule 956 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,840 Speaker 2: of law and protected the American people against fraud and force. 957 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 3: And you want to. 958 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,800 Speaker 2: Talk about his politics, let's just go back to the 959 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 2: last three directors. He had James Commey, who ran an 960 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 2: off the books Honey pot Op inside the Trump campaign 961 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and then sent agents to go and 962 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 2: and trap Mike Flinn. You had Andy McCabe also part 963 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,240 Speaker 2: of that media collection there, who was the acting director 964 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 2: who oversaw Crossfire Hurricane and was fired because he lied 965 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 2: and linked to the media. And then when the Joe 966 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 2: Biden administration gave him everything back because he was a 967 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 2: good and faithful servant. Part of his settlement was that 968 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 2: he could get his senior executive service cuff links or 969 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 2: anal beats. 970 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 3: And then you have Christopher Ray. 971 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,720 Speaker 2: Christopher Ray who has overseen the FBI while it censored 972 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 2: the Hunter Byden laptop story and then watched ninety year 973 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 2: old concentration camp survivors be put into prison because they 974 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 2: were praying outside of an abortion clinic. So it's a 975 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,320 Speaker 2: political agency. At least with Cashptel, he's transparent, that's honestly 976 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 2: very refreshing, and his track record is exposing the FBI 977 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 2: for its malfeasans. So I would think that that's a 978 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 2: move in the positive direction. I'm actually really excited. I've 979 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 2: wanted the FBI to be shattered into a thousand pieces 980 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,760 Speaker 2: and scattered to the win for the last two years. 981 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 2: But if there's one person that I'll give the old 982 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 2: College try to maybe pull it back from the brink, 983 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 2: it's Cashptel. 984 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,280 Speaker 1: That is an amazing endorsement. By the way, it obviously 985 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: means a lot coming from you as well, having been 986 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: through the ringer and put through the ringer by that organization. 987 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: Why do you think they're fear mongering about him so much? 988 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 3: Because he's an agent of change. 989 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 2: It's no different than going after Pete hegg Seth or 990 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 2: Matt Gates at the time. These are the people who 991 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,320 Speaker 2: are disrupted because there was a mandate that the American 992 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 2: people gave to our government on November fifth, But there was. 993 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 3: Also a mandate that the government. 994 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,720 Speaker 2: Received, and that is they have to keep the status 995 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 2: quot throw up as many speed bumps and roadblocks as 996 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 2: possible to avoid the change of the American people are 997 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 2: demanding of them. 998 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 3: And Cash Mattel is an agent of that change. And 999 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 3: I've been able. 1000 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 2: To communicate with him in his circle a little bit, 1001 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 2: and his willingness to listen. The fact that he doesn't 1002 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 2: have hubris, he has humility and says, I don't know 1003 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 2: what I don't know. And the information that some of 1004 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 2: the stuff that I've told you today he took in 1005 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 2: and absorbed immediately and said, well, that's got to be 1006 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 2: fixed immediately, and we're going to do that. I think 1007 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 2: is makes me optimistic for the first time. You know, 1008 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 2: I was really excited that Donald Trump won the election. 1009 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 2: I breathed the sigh of relief, But upon hearing that 1010 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 2: Cash was nominated to take over the FBI, I think 1011 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 2: I was equally as excited. Those are the two best 1012 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 2: days that I've had in the last twenty six and 1013 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,839 Speaker 2: a half months since I was summarily removed from the FBI. 1014 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: Man, that's powerful stuff. Seriously, Steve, we got to have 1015 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: you back in the show. I mean, seriously, you're an 1016 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: incredible guest. I loved having you tell this audience you 1017 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: know where they can find you and how they can 1018 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 1: support you. 1019 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can find me on on x at 1020 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 3: real Steve friend is my handle there, and if you 1021 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 3: wanted to support me. 1022 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 2: I have a podcast with another FBI whistleblower, Garrett Boyle. 1023 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 2: He and I testified together. It's called The American Radicals Podcast. 1024 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 2: We're trying to get on a watch list. American Radicals 1025 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 2: podcast is on Rumble and that's Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturdays 1026 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 2: at ten thirty. But you can always catch up if 1027 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 2: you miss it live or listen to it on iTunes. 1028 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 2: And then the book True Blue, My Journey from beat 1029 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 2: Cop to Suspended FBI Whistleblower. True Blue is available on 1030 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 2: Amazon or Barnes and Noble. Just type in true Blue 1031 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 2: and Steven Friend. I had to put Steven because I'm 1032 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 2: not cool enough to have an autograph and I just 1033 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,919 Speaker 2: signed my name and that's the way I legally do it. 1034 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: Well, listen, everybody needs to go support Steve. Buy the 1035 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: book True Blue. The name of the podcast again, it's 1036 00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,720 Speaker 1: right on Rumble. 1037 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 3: Tell us all again the American Radicals. 1038 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,799 Speaker 1: Pod American Radical. I subscribe to it. I'm following it 1039 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: on Rumble. You all need to go do it too. 1040 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: Listen to his podcast. Support this guy. Honestly, Steve, before 1041 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: I let you go, you really are a true American 1042 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: patriot for standing up to you know, the FBI and 1043 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,239 Speaker 1: saying no, this is this is a line that you're 1044 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: way like, this is the normal line. You're way across it. 1045 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going. It's a bridge too far from me. 1046 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not walking that path, and you paid 1047 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: a cost for it. But it was the right thing 1048 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: to do, my friend, and I think it's going to 1049 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 1: pay off dividends for you down the line for sure. 1050 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,320 Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for saying that. Thanks for 1051 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 2: having me. I'm a big fan of yours. I told 1052 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 2: you in our offline chat. I'll Opplatoon Mount Rushmore for 1053 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,320 Speaker 2: me as far as books go. So it was just 1054 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 2: an honor to be here and look forward to come 1055 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 2: back anytime you want. 1056 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: You are welcome anytime, my friend, Steve Friend, thanks for 1057 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: coming on. We'll see you next time, sir. All right, 1058 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,919 Speaker 1: see your brother. That is Steve Friend, an awesome guy. 1059 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,760 Speaker 1: Gotta go support his support as podcast, buy his books, 1060 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: you know what to do battle cru Go support this guy. 1061 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 1: He's an American patriot, all right, folks. Americans are tired 1062 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 1: and frustrated by a stalling economy, inflation, endless wars, and 1063 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: the relentless assault on our values. Thankfully, there's companies like 1064 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 1: Patriot Mobile that still believe in America and our constitution. 1065 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: I'm proud to partner with Patriot Mobile because they're on 1066 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,799 Speaker 1: the front lines fighting for the First and Second Amendments, 1067 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,800 Speaker 1: sanctity of life, and our military and first responder heroes. 1068 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: Take a stand for conservative causes and put America first. 1069 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 1: By switching to Patriot Mobile today, you'll get the same 1070 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: nationwide coverage as the big providers because Patriot Mobile operates 1071 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: across all three major networks, Plus they back their service 1072 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,240 Speaker 1: with a coverage guarantee. 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Switch to 1081 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:42,720 Speaker 1: America's only Christian conservative mobile provider, and that is Patriot Mobile. 1082 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,640 Speaker 1: All right. I want to take a couple of minutes. 1083 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,759 Speaker 1: I want to remember New York native Omar Nutra. He 1084 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: was a twenty one year old American Israeli platoon leader. 1085 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,839 Speaker 1: Hamas killed him on October seventh, twenty twenty three. Many 1086 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,920 Speaker 1: people thought that he was alive. What turned out that 1087 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,320 Speaker 1: he was murdered on October seventh, and the Hamas savages 1088 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 1: kept his body for four hundred and twenty three days. 1089 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,759 Speaker 1: Didn't want to tell his family about his status. Well. 1090 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,799 Speaker 1: Trump issued the statement saying that if we didn't get 1091 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,399 Speaker 1: the American hostages back, there was going to be hell 1092 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,400 Speaker 1: to pay for the hostage takers and their leaders. And 1093 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: by the way, that's how any American president should talk 1094 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: about any American period, hostage or not. You come at us, 1095 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,239 Speaker 1: take you take one of our people, we wipe out 1096 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: your entire bloodline. Just needs to be that simple. President 1097 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,280 Speaker 1: Trump issued that statement today, and we found out about 1098 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,839 Speaker 1: Omar today, about him being passed away, So I want 1099 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: you to spare a prayer for him. Also want to 1100 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 1: tell you about a couple quick headlines. Ninth Circuit Court 1101 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: ruled that the United States has the full authority to 1102 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,240 Speaker 1: deport foreign nationals in the country illegally, even if local 1103 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: authorities object. Of course, we already knew that, but it's 1104 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,839 Speaker 1: ninth Nice to have the Ninth Circuit coming on board 1105 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,439 Speaker 1: in a big way. Prior to Trump taking office and all, 1106 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,520 Speaker 1: did you see this from the New York Post. I mean, 1107 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 1: all of this kind of flies under the radar. You 1108 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,400 Speaker 1: think it'd be headline news everywhere. But a House panel 1109 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,920 Speaker 1: concludes that COVID likely leaked from a lab and Trump 1110 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,960 Speaker 1: is now vowing to make China pay reparations as they should. 1111 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 1: I for one, am very excited about Trump getting back 1112 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: in the White House and saying China dirus, China dirus. 1113 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 1: And the last thing I'll say before you pop smoke 1114 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 1: for the day is the Trump transition says it's entered 1115 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 1: into a memorandum of understanding with the US Department of 1116 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,760 Speaker 1: Justice for background checks on senior administrative officials. You can 1117 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: bet that the Trump administration is not going to let 1118 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: the FBI or the Department of Justice be a roadblock 1119 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,480 Speaker 1: to the incoming administration. But all of this it's supposed 1120 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: to ensure that when and Trump has sworn in in January, 1121 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,560 Speaker 1: that his cabinet is ready to rock on day one. 1122 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to make it get make sure 1123 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,920 Speaker 1: you had all those headlines before we pop smoke. I 1124 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 1: haven't reminded you all show, but make sure you smash 1125 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,080 Speaker 1: that like button, that little green thumb beneath the video 1126 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 1: smash that like button. I like to try to get 1127 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: to at least four hundred before the end of the show. 1128 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 1: And I've got a bunch of flags here from an Cindy. 1129 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: No Bones, Oh awesome, he says he loves Steve. Thank you, 1130 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: No Bones for all these tips. Seriously, Gosh, you're amazing. 1131 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: He's Snowbones is right, he said, the FBI and needs 1132 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: are swat abilities to be removed like newly created intellibilities. 1133 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,880 Speaker 1: That's an interesting point, man, No Bones, you're the best. Myron, 1134 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: thank you for the rumble Randt tip. No Bones, Myron, 1135 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,640 Speaker 1: thank you both for the rumble rant tip. I'm glad 1136 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: only come in the live chat here, folks, what did 1137 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,800 Speaker 1: you think of Steve Friend? Did you guys like him? Yes? 1138 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: Tell me in the live chat you like Steve. I 1139 00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 1: think he's a freaking awesome guest. I definitely want to 1140 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: have him back. Man. His story is powerful. He's one 1141 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 1: of the good agents that stood up and said hell no, 1142 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,840 Speaker 1: going way too far. Look at this, this is look 1143 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 1: at this this great feedback that you're getting that Steve. 1144 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,320 Speaker 1: I hope Steve you're still watching and listening. But look 1145 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 1: at all of this, Geef Fontes, thank you for the 1146 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 1: rumble rant tip, but look at all this love you 1147 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: guys are throwing to Steve. Anyways, folks, thank you all 1148 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: for being with me tomorrow. Guess what tomorrow is. Tomorrow 1149 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: is Wednesday. Tomorrow is Savage Wednesday on deck here on 1150 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,120 Speaker 1: Battleground Live. For tomorrow is the great, the powerful, this 1151 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 1: savage rich bearesst So I'll see you all to tomorrow. Folks. 1152 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: God bless you all, and God bless this amazing country 1153 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,600 Speaker 1: that we call home. Take care, good night, then I 1154 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,560 Speaker 1: will see you all tomorrow on Savage Wednesday