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Speaker 1: I'm on the house Stuff Works homepage. Hey, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. Or Chuck, how you doing? This is

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know? I should say, Uh, that's Chuck Bryant.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark as usual. I think by now you

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Speaker 1: people know, right, I answer us. If not, they just

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Speaker 1: stumbled upon us. They're like, you are these exactly? And

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Speaker 1: we just lost him right there, so everybody else it's

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Speaker 1: us Chuck. Do you remember watching The Incredible Hulk as well?

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Speaker 1: I was going to say as a kid. It ran

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Speaker 1: from eighty two, so you're what like twenty five maybe thirty? No, man,

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Speaker 1: that was right in my wheelhouse. Yeah. I just came

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Speaker 1: in on the tail end, but every I had a

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Speaker 1: significant impact. I love that show. So yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: what Bill Bixby slash Lou Ferrigno sharing the title role duties. Right. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: Bill Bixby played Bruce Banner and Lou Ferrigno was the Hulk, right,

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Speaker 1: and he was kind of a big guy, but not

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Speaker 1: even bigger. And of course, since I'm nine years old,

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Speaker 1: I I remember Bill Bixby from the Courtship of Eddie's Father,

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Speaker 1: which was before that. Sorry, go ahead, okay, so well, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: you remember like oftentimes I don't think it was every episode,

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Speaker 1: I could be making I make up memories a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, in most episodes he would say something like,

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Speaker 1: him angry and then you know, get ripped and turned

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Speaker 1: green and just beat the tar out of him, right right.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part actually he would always turn away as

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Speaker 1: He never bit his knuckles though, I've always found that

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Speaker 1: He should have tried that. It would have been a

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Speaker 1: totally different show had he actually tried that. I think right, well,

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Speaker 1: actually I bring up The Incredible Hulk, not because I

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Speaker 1: entirely possible that the Incredible Hulk, Bruce Banner was a

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Speaker 1: He was in touch with his anger and tried to

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Speaker 1: and get to the anger. Right. You're angry at Molly

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Speaker 1: arguably and the relationship you are getting, you're using anger,

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Speaker 1: And this is not You shouldn't confuse this, this aspect

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Speaker 1: common roots to a woman's anger, which ties in nicely

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