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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the absolutely brilliant

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Speaker 1: human and artist Parus Patel, who is part of one

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Speaker 1: of the most watch shows in the entire world. The

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Speaker 1: Chosen is the first ever a multi season show about

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Speaker 1: the life of Jesus, and it became the most successful

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Speaker 1: crowdfunded TV series or film project in history. I'm not

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Speaker 1: kidding you, guys. The Chosen has over seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy million episode views.

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Speaker 2: It's wild.

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Speaker 1: Barres brings the role of Matthew to life in such

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Speaker 1: a beautiful and moving way. And what's so cool about

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Speaker 1: the series is that it's resonating with both religious and

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Speaker 1: also non religious viewers. And I think one of the

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Speaker 1: many reasons why is because the storytelling is connecting with

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Speaker 1: people in really deep ways. Parus is giving us an

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Speaker 1: insight look into what it's been like being a part

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Speaker 1: of The Chosen from the very beginning, but then we're

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Speaker 1: also getting to know him in a little bit more

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Speaker 2: He is such a cool dude.

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Speaker 1: It was hard to wrap up the conversation because it

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Speaker 1: brought me so much joy, and I know you guys

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Speaker 1: let's see if today we can get Paris to say

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Speaker 1: something that he has never said before.

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Speaker 2: Barrus, my man, how are you today? Joe?

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Speaker 3: Well, Tommy, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm super psyched to have you on the show. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have some fun today.

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Speaker 3: You ready, Yeah, I'm all game, ready to go in,

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Speaker 3: and I'm just happy to be here, so looking forward

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Speaker 3: to the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's really a pleasure to have you on and I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things I want to cover today,

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Speaker 1: but I guess to kick this all off, I am

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Speaker 1: so blown away by the success of The Chosen and

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Speaker 1: how it's one of the most popular shows in the

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Speaker 1: religious communities love it because it's such beautiful storytelling. And

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Speaker 1: that's something that I think is the magic sauce, one

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Speaker 3: You know, I think I think the magic sauce is

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's there's so much that goes to

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Speaker 1: So if you were to sit down with your boy

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Speaker 3: Well, we have these conversations every day, so this is

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Speaker 1: When you're playing someone so wildly known as Matthew and

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: You strike me as someone who might be just as

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Speaker 1: I could no, I could see it. I could tell.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'll do, I'll put things on my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do all the time. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: We're clearly cut from the same cloth. That's amazing and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't love that more. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I certainly feel that. And you know, even just

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Speaker 1: Jesus, right, It's more about the lessons and the kind

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Speaker 1: And that's also why it's resonating in such a big way,

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Speaker 1: I love that so much, and I love how you

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that people are looking forward to in

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Speaker 3: little a little more quirky but serious, kind of vibe

439
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 3: with Matthew. I also see him being like a vet

440
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: because he has a dog. I love animals, So those

441
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 3: are probably one of the two kind of series that

442
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 3: I think he would he would be great at.

443
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we just put it.

444
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: Let's ask him.

445
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

446
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, where did you get this from? A

447
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 3: supporter gave this to me on set.

448
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: But I love that. I couldn't love that more.

449
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: And you know what, we're putting that right We're putting

450
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: that in the universe right now, because anything is possible.

451
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: I love that you brought up the dog. People loved

452
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: watching you and the dog.

453
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: It's it's such a sweet moment every time we get

454
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: to see that.

455
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's always. It's so interesting to work with

456
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: the dog, and especially on our set where it's like

457
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 3: all these scents and we have like real dead fish

458
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 3: like hanging, so these dogs would just they wouldn't like

459
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 3: hit their mark, and you know, any time we filmed

460
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 3: a scene, like the director and I would just look

461
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 3: at each other and we would just laugh because it's like,

462
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 3: this isn't going to work out. And so there was

463
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 3: a moment where you literally have to drag like a friend,

464
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 3: like safely just drag the dog into its mark and

465
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: kind of keep it there. But they're so well behaved,

466
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: Like we worked with two different dogs, and it's so

467
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: sweet because there's a moment where I had to like

468
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: put sausage juice on my hands to get it to

469
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: like listen to my commands and just stay near me.

470
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 3: And I remember I was too close to it and

471
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 3: it was doing one of those barks where it was

472
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: showing its teeth, and in my mind, I was like, oh,

473
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: this thing's going to take a finger off in a second.

474
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: So it kept barking, barking, barking, and then it I

475
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 3: guess it smelled the juice. It just started licking my

476
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: entire hand and then they yelled cut. But it was

477
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: just the sweetest moment of like, this dog's going to

478
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: take me out, but then it gets close to you

479
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: and then it just like, oh, yummy, like snacks.

480
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, he did not bite my hand off.

481
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: Successful day.

482
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So it would be cool to do a

483
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 3: show with the Matthew and his dog. You know, maybe

484
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: maybe we can incorporate that. And while we're at it,

485
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 3: while we're talking about it, maybe Matthew can do a

486
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: rom com maybe for MGM Studios, Amazon, MGM Studio. You know,

487
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: the list is endless.

488
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're creating a whole empire here today. I love it.

489
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: I love it.

490
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: That's that's a great idea rom com with Matthew. We

491
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: are sold and seated and ready for that. You you

492
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: have filmed so many great scenes and I know this

493
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: is like asking someone their favorite pet or kid, but

494
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: is there a scene when you think back at all

495
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: the seasons, including this one that's out the new season,

496
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: is there one that just holds a really special place

497
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: in your heart.

498
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, you know, you're right. I usually have

499
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: like a few scenes per season that I love, but

500
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: one of my proudest work and scenes is in season

501
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: or episode two where Matthew asked for forgiveness to Simon Peter.

502
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: That was a whole you know, they were butting heads

503
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: in season one, they didn't like each other, and then

504
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: I think Matthew, through a reminder from Jesus, realized he

505
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: was wrong and almost ruined someone's life, and so he

506
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: went to ask for forgiveness. And I just thought that

507
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: whole message was just a beautiful one. It shows you

508
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: how one can process forgiveness or how one ask for forgiveness,

509
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 3: and that you don't always get it immediately. And so

510
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: you really see Matthew go through that journey and learn

511
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: about himself along the way, and just filming it, Like

512
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: I said, our casts were so close and so it

513
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 3: was a moment I was looking forward to for a while,

514
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: and I think it was effective. You know, all the

515
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 3: messages that we got with people being inspired to just

516
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: do that in their own life was very moving to see.

517
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: But that is probably my favorite scene.

518
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's such a human thing we all go through.

519
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Right, It's not easy asking for forgiveness, and it's equally

520
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: and not easy sometimes waiting for someone to grant you

521
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: that forgiveness.

522
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: It's tough. Yeah.

523
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you know, it's like, hey, I did this,

524
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: now you know, give it back, you know, like like

525
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: it's accepted or you know. But it was interesting to

526
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: see Matthew kind of navigate that of not immediately getting that,

527
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: but I think it allowed him to learn more about

528
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: himself and figure out just figure out how to move forward,

529
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: because you know, sometimes in life things aren't always easy,

530
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: but you just have to face them.

531
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's one of the many important lessons of

532
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: the show.

533
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: Has anything ever unexplained or mystical happened from shooting season

534
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: one to now on set where everybody was kind of

535
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: like whoa, that was kind of weird.

536
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: You know. It's interesting because you know, there was a

537
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: moment I think the show run Dallas Jenkins talks about

538
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: with him. He calls it his Red Sea moment, and

539
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: it was where there was so much fog or something

540
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: like they could not film and it was like hitting

541
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: the lake and they had to do a boat scene

542
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: and doing a boat scene is very hard, you know,

543
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: with two boats, all the cameras trying to get it

544
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: into the you know, all that stuff, and it's like

545
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: a I believe it was like a four to six

546
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: page scene and those go pretty long. But I think

547
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: the whole day was wasted in a way. And then

548
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: finally I think it parted and there was sun or

549
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: something happened where it worked out. So that was his

550
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: story for me. We did a one take in season

551
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: two and that's like a fifteen minute continuous shot, and

552
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: you know, we had brought in a camera guy to

553
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: film that, and you know it's you know, filming a

554
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: shot fifteen minutes going around into the world moving it

555
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: is a lot harder than it is being said, you know,

556
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 3: and so we realized quickly that we don't have We're

557
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 3: not able to do this over and over again. And

558
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: so basically we had three different times where we will

559
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: be able to fully do it. We would rehearse it,

560
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 3: but then to do the full fifteen minute scene. And

561
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: they realized it was this person could we could only

562
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: do it three times? Really, I started the scene and

563
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: it was a Matthew moment with another disciple, and it

564
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: was about I think four minutes of dialogue. But I

565
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: think all day the rehearsals were going fine. Everything was

566
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: going fine. The minute we started taping, something happened where

567
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: I just lost the words and I just I remember

568
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: just panicking. I kept like cutting myself, like saying cut,

569
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: like I can't do that, you know. I just went

570
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: to a moment I remember dropping to my knees of like,

571
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 3: what the heck just happened? I never just never really happens.

572
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: And I just felt like this pressure, and that was

573
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: where I was just I was like, I don't know

574
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: what to do, and I remember time was going and

575
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: they did not want to move this to the next

576
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: day because I would lose a lot of money and

577
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: I just felt like everything was on me and I

578
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: just felt terrible and crappy. And then I don't know

579
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: what happened, but we had one final try left, and

580
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: then I could tell that everybody was getting serious, the

581
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: producers and director, and he's like, all right, this is

582
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: the last chance. Otherwise we're just going to have to

583
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: redo this tomorrow. And on that last chance, I don't

584
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: know what I did. I kind of just like I

585
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: was still kneeling on the ground, had my I touched

586
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: her or just got more into myself. I got through it,

587
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: and I remember getting so excited internally when I knew

588
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: my last line was coming, and I got really happy,

589
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: and then we kept moving forward. I remember it was

590
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: like a video game where you reach your checkpoint and

591
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: then you watch everyone else to make sure they're doing it.

592
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 3: It slowly, slowly happened, and it was great. And then

593
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: the producers watched back in a tent and all I

594
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 3: heard was crying, and when I talked to someone, they

595
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: were like, I don't know if this was intended or not,

596
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: but when the scenes started, you see the sun slowly setting,

597
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: and by the time that the moment's over, it's like nightfall,

598
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: and it was one of the most beautiful cinematic moments ever.

599
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: So it's almost like my mess ups those first two

600
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 3: times was meant to happen, because what we ended up

601
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: with was this beautiful shot of like Golden Hour going down,

602
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: and you know, for any cinephile, that's like a chef's kiss.

603
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: So it was scary for me, but that was I

604
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: think that's a cool moment. I would say is like

605
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: mystical universal however you want to call it.

606
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: That's so cool because I mean you can't possibly time

607
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: the start of sunset to the end with your mess

608
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: ups with the last scene, I mean, that's all just

609
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: something making it all work right.

610
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just think it's just amazing. And we've

611
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: had several moments just throughout the show where things like

612
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 3: that work out, but that one's like ingrained in my

613
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: mind just because of what I went through in my

614
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: mind of like I'm going to mess this up for

615
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: everybody else, and I was just like, you know, really

616
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: nervous about it.

617
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty cool.

618
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: I love hearing stories like that because sometimes the unexplained

619
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: is all we need in life. You don't need to

620
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: figure everything out, you don't need to have all the answers.

621
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: I like when things just happen and you can say

622
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that's pretty cool.

623
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I always like to tell myself, like, you know,

624
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: you know it's I just believe, like in the power

625
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: of the universe of like, you know, it's all a

626
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 3: part of a plan. You're just navigating your way around it.

627
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: But there's always a plan that's made for you. And

628
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: I always like to say, you know what is for

629
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: you will not pass you. So it's a good nugget

630
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: of encouragement I like to tell myself for opportunities, but

631
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: also in this case, it's like this was meant to

632
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: happen this way because it did teach me a lesson

633
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: about myself and persistence and just focusing. And I really

634
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: learned a lot that day.

635
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: And you were open to being taught a lesson about

636
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: yourself too, And that's something that really strikes me about

637
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: you is you want to evolve, You want to grow,

638
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: you want to change. You don't want to be the

639
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: same person that you were yesterday, at least from a

640
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: total outside perspective. That's what it seems to me is

641
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: that you're that type of person which I can relate to.

642
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: And I guess when you're building a character that must

643
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: be really fun too, because when you think about future seasons.

644
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: Do you think about how you want Matthew to evolve?

645
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: Like do you get ideas and inspiration along the way

646
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: and think like, oh man, it'd be really cool if

647
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: he did this or this, you know, changed him. Is

648
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: that kind of how you go through your character development?

649
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? I always have my own ideas, and then when

650
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: we get the scripts, the writers are writers Tyler Thompson,

651
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: Ryan Swanson, and Dallas Jenkins, they have just given me

652
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: something that blows whatever was in my mind out the water.

653
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: So this season, like you just see a side of

654
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: my character that's just it's just like really beautiful. I'm

655
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: really excited to get into it because we're filming The

656
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: Crucifixion right now. But what I love is that, like

657
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: they've just really made each character not just mine powerful,

658
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: They have their moment, you see them go through highs

659
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: and lows, and I'm just excited for this season because

660
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: you really see Matthew be presented in a way that's

661
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: just strength. And I love that because it was it

662
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: was something I always felt about him internally. I tell

663
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: people that Matthew's kind of a lieon like look cute

664
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: on the outside, but you know has a big heart.

665
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: But it's it's been really cool to like really have

666
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: these writers really know what they want to do with

667
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: this character. So it's really rare that I have like

668
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: a note for them because I'm just excited to throw

669
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: in what they give me. You know, they gave me

670
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: like a I played a sixty year old version of

671
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: myself in one season, and you know they give me

672
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: all these great challenges that really allows me to get

673
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: deeper into his mode, his thinking, and it challenges me

674
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: as an actor, and it's really fulfilling.

675
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I imagine with this season, with season five, given the content,

676
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: given the story that you guys are telling, it must

677
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: get pretty emotional.

678
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: Huh yeah. Like I said, it's just we're getting into

679
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: the meat of the story, you know. And also we

680
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: are getting to the end of our cat like you

681
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: know this of you know, it's a seventh season show,

682
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: so it's out there. We just know it's coming, you know.

683
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: And with season five releasing soon, but we're also filming

684
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: six right now, you know, it's like time is ending

685
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: and and and in a way it makes it really

686
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: sad because you know, if I think about it, I've

687
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: given like seven years of my life to this and

688
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: I've you know, evolved so much from being a part

689
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: of this. So it's it's very emotional, you know. I Uh,

690
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: my schedule this year is a bit different. So I

691
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: just had one day and made a film and I

692
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: remember getting a set and our crew was like, it

693
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: just feels so weird without you guys, Like now we

694
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: finally feel like you guys are back and you know

695
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: that's that's how close we are, you know, And so

696
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: it's adding to with with personal us going into this story.

697
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: It just makes it extra emotional, but it allows us

698
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: to drop more into our characters and the story of

699
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: what's happening. So it's it's basically not easy to I mean,

700
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: it's really easy to start crying now or get into

701
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: that emotional space because you know there's an end there.

702
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: It's a there's an end happening in many ways for everybody.

703
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: M yeah, I can imagine that's that's super emotional for

704
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: everybody else. That also, given that you're filming very emotional

705
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: things quite often lay with the fact that you know,

706
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of approaching that seven season mark, which which

707
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 1: is a lot to take in.

708
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: But it's really really cool what everyone has built. For sure.

709
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: Did you ever did you ever have any worry or

710
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: fear that being part of a faith based show would

711
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: be limiting in any capacity as an artist or as

712
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: an actor, because I think there are some people out

713
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: there who maybe would say as an artist, you know,

714
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I want to go down that route.

715
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if it will limit me. Does that

716
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: ever cross your mind?

717
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: First of all, I love your questions, Like I just

718
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: I can just tell that they're well thought out, and

719
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm glad that you're asking this because yeah, that's you know, initially,

720
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: like it's not something I think of, But I just

721
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: feel like this this industry sometimes gets used to the

722
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: way you're being seen and how it is. But you know,

723
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: I I've made it. I've been really open about showing

724
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: more of parts, like through social media who I am

725
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: or how I want to represent myself, and I just

726
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: like to make it. I think it's important to really

727
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: distinguish yourself apart from the character you play, especially one

728
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: from a historical drama so or a historical figure, and

729
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: so it's just been important for me to kind of

730
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: navigate away from the space. But I'm not, like, I'm

731
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: not like turned off by it. I think what's happening

732
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: now in content and movies is like they're seeing this

733
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: audience and mass appeal and they're really seeing you know,

734
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: these faith inspired stories really well acted, well told, and

735
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: well received, and I think there's a lot more interest.

736
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: So it's kind of tricky. You know, you never know

737
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: what the future holds for you. All you can do

738
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: is live in the present, but I'm always going to

739
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: be open to this space. It actually gave me my

740
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, made me whatever it's doing right now, it

741
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: maybe that right, but I I just believe now that

742
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: whatever will come my way is kind of meant to be.

743
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: And I do grapple with the being stuck in it

744
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: and I kind of am still navigating that to be

745
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: completely honest and vulnerable with you, and it worries me

746
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: because for me as an Indian actor, I want to

747
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: do South Asian stories. I want to like be a

748
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 3: part of that because that's how I grew up. So

749
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: that's my truth and I just hope if there's a

750
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: way to incorporate that any way, it'd be awesome. But yeah,

751
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: I do feel like, you know, every day's different. Some

752
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: days you feel like you can, you know, get out

753
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: of this space, or some days you can't. But I

754
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: guess at the end of the day, I'm just I'm

755
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: more attracted to writing or story and I think it

756
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what kind of genre it is, you know.

757
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, I think that there's always going

758
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: to be people who try to box all of us in,

759
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: no matter what industry or career we're in. We I'm

760
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: pretty sure most people listening I felt boxed in at

761
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: some point of their life. I just I think it's

762
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: so interesting with faith based programming, and I've had many

763
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: different artists along the way I've chatted with who do

764
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: things on different networks or you know, tailor their content

765
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: more towards that, And it's such an important and view

766
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: full space and medium for so many people to escape.

767
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: In, which is really cool.

768
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: But you do wonder if people who maybe aren't as

769
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: invested in that space can see you sometimes in a

770
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: different light, and I would hope the answer is always yes.

771
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: So it's so interesting to hear your perspective of that.

772
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: And thank you for being open and vulnerable about that too,

773
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: because I think it's very human to say I love

774
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: what I do.

775
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for what I do. It changed my life.

776
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I hope that I can do other things

777
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: in other spaces as well.

778
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know we're active, right, we're artists, so we

779
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: want to show that we can adapt and do different things.

780
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: And I think what's also what also works for my

781
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: portrayal of Matthew is that you know, you know, you

782
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: see me now, but I'm completely different from him. As

783
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: a character. So I think that shows it feels a

784
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: little easier to transition into other parts because Matthew's you know,

785
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: his personality is dialect. Everything's so specific that and this

786
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 3: is what I've probably journaled about just to make myself

787
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 3: feel better. But like that's what I'm just things like, maybe,

788
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: you know, hopefully it's not that that hard because all

789
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 3: I want to do is show at the world part.

790
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: It's like what I can do as an actor and

791
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: challenge myself.

792
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, and you will and you you will.

793
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: I have no doubt you're going to go on to

794
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: do all sorts of cool things. And I think that

795
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: when you have such a deep respect and gratitude for

796
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: where you've been, and you mentioned feeling not seen and

797
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of rejected and on the outside right and then

798
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: stepping into your own along the way, I think you

799
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: you really never forget that, and you kind of work

800
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: even harder in some ways to make all your dreams

801
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: come true, which I think is a really cool motivator.

802
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: Not that anyone should go through feeling those things, but

803
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: it just kind of continues to drive you. And I

804
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: also imagine there's times in your life where you have

805
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: felt maybe stuck or like things just weren't going the

806
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: way you had plans. But here you are talking to

807
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: me on one of the biggest shows in the world.

808
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: So how do you keep yourself motivated to not let

809
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: those tracks things confine you and derail where you want

810
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: to be and who you want to be?

811
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting, Tommy, because, like I said, every

812
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: day is different. But actually, this week I did find

813
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: myself stuck. I was very excited about an opportunity I

814
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: thought I was going to get. It didn't work out,

815
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: and I remember how much I went out of my

816
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: way to pursue for this opportunity, and yeah, so I

817
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: have been feeling stuck right now. I have been, you know,

818
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: knowing that the show's almost over. I'm like, what's next

819
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: for me? What's next for me? And I kind of

820
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: realized I need to just trust the process, and that's

821
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: what I've always encouraged others out there to feel. And

822
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: I'm realizing I need to take a dose of my

823
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: own medicine. And so I've just really I guess there's

824
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: just this like okay, like fel feel all the feels

825
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: and then drop let it go. And so when I

826
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: go through a disappointment or something where I feel stuck.

827
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: I write stuff down and then i'll write stuff of

828
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: how I want that to be manifested or how I

829
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: want to redirect that, and I don't let it get

830
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: to me in the way of how I used to,

831
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: where I would just be like depressed or you know,

832
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: unmotivated or just feeling like I don't want to do

833
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: anything else. If I feel that way, I'll try to

834
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: get outside. I'll try to go outdoors. I'll try to

835
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: go to a gym to kind of just like lift

836
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: up my mental space because it does affect you. And

837
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: so right now I do feel stuck, but I'm utilizing

838
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: what I've done or just how I've gone through. And

839
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: for me, it's through staying healthy, talking to friends, and

840
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: really writing down what you want to do. And so, yeah,

841
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: I find that that helps me.

842
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: Mmmm yeah, yeah, right, putting it on paper, I feel

843
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: like always always helps me too. And I think that

844
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: that's really cool to hear somebody like you who has

845
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: so much success and who's crushing it in a career perspective.

846
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: You know, definitely from the outside looking in, it does

847
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: have those moments, and we all have them, and they're

848
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: human and it doesn't mean that it's not going to

849
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: get better.

850
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: It's just you know, a little bump in the road.

851
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: So I like hearing things like that from people like

852
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: you to encourage everyone listening that even if you're feeling

853
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: stuck in this moment for whatever the reason is, you're

854
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: going to get over it and you'll figure it out.

855
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, in terms of a lot of things,

856
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: you know, from losing an opportunity, feeling stuck, losing a

857
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: love of whatever. Time does heal all in its own way.

858
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: But it's just about how you navigate that. And I

859
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: think a lot of times we aren't doing it in

860
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: a very healthy way. And I think in this culture

861
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: of social media and different things that can also get

862
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 3: in the way. So I'm really trying to go old

863
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: school about it, which is why I like to write

864
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: stuff down and journaling is a big part of my journey,

865
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: you know, just even as an actor and even through

866
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: my mental health journey and stuff like that. So I'm

867
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: just a big advocate of that. And then you know,

868
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: when you overcome it, you can cross it off. That's

869
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: like you can cross it off your list. Like I

870
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: like the cross things up.

871
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: So I feel like, I need to go do that now.

872
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: I was just thinking of a few things I need

873
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: to I need to put on paper, and I'm like, oh,

874
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I can't forget to do that. Mental note, mental note.

875
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Speaker 1: As we begin to wrap up, I had to get

876
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: in two quick fan questions I post that you were

877
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: coming on the show. I got all sorts of questions,

878
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: A lot of them I wanted to ask myself, so

879
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: very aligned with your community out there, But these are

880
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: two interesting ones that I thought were fun. So the

881
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: first one is do you think Matthew has a crush

882
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: on Mary Magdalene? And will they be exploring that connection

883
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: between you and Mary in a future season.

884
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 3: Well, now that the show is wrapping up, I can

885
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: confidently say that Matthew, in my mind, does have a

886
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: crush on Mary Magdalen. He famously says she's unusually pleasant

887
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: to look at. But I think we have established the

888
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: show that they're very close friends who have, for lack

889
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: of a better term, trauma bonded through their past experiences

890
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: and they're just really close and they understand each other. Also,

891
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: Mary is kind of the first person that accepts Matthew

892
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: when he is called. You know, all the Disciples were

893
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: kind of like, why are you bringing this guy? He's

894
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: a trader, this and that, and you see Mary kind

895
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: of accept them and extend an olive branch, and so

896
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: they have that closeness. But in my mind, you know,

897
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: I did think that that maybe Matthew did crush on

898
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: her for a bit. But now that we are in

899
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: the thick of the story, I think that's all out

900
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: the window and we're focusing on what's happening and just

901
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: continuing to keep this bond close.

902
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: Well, that could be the spinoff right there. I'm just saying,

903
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's the rock com.

904
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: That is a rom com. That's definitely the rock com.

905
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Good point. That's amazing.

906
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: And the other thing I saw a lot of was

907
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot of fans were interested to know if you

908
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: read or studied the Book of Matthew to prepare for

909
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: this role, or if you just kind of wanted to

910
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: dive in not knowing as much.

911
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: So I read about the big miracles that were happening,

912
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: and as far as because our show kind of explores

913
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 3: more backstory, and especially with Matthew's backstory being very artistic,

914
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: artistically inspired, I I didn't read as much because as

915
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: as an actor, you want to kind of discover it.

916
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: So the big moments like Matthew being called or you know,

917
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: the sermon on the Mount, you know, all those moments

918
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 3: I did read just to make sure I know what's

919
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: happening and what I'm aware of. A lot of times

920
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: when we're doing a scene, we also do actual moments

921
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: that are in scripture, so I'll make sure to see, oh,

922
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: did Matthew write this down or is he just observing

923
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: the disciple or the act out places John He and

924
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: I when we get to set where we both just

925
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: look at each other, they were like, are you writing

926
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: this scene or am I? And then we'll go online

927
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: to look to see to see who writes it. So

928
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: that's how I've navigated it. I think for me, it's

929
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: more about operating from within and I think just I

930
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: bring a lot of myself into Matthew. So aside from

931
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: those big moments, Yeah, I didn't really read a lot

932
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: of scripture, but I've become more well versed in it.

933
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: Very cool.

934
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: I always love seeing the insights into the artistry behind

935
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: what you guys do and what you create, so that's awesome.

936
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: As we wrap up the show, the final question is

937
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: always based off the title of the show, which is

938
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: called I've Never said this before, And I created that

939
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: because I work a lot of red carpets and my

940
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: other jobs and junkets, and you get three minutes or

941
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: five minutes with somebody and you don't always have time

942
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: for a real conversation, and it's very sound bite driven,

943
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: very promotional, which is great, but I loved I love

944
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: getting to the heart of somebody. So the final question

945
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: gives my guests a chance to show a different side

946
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: to them, and that question is, what is something that

947
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: you've never said before?

948
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Whatever that means to you.

949
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: Interesting. I guess I'm like thinking about what we just

950
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: talked about, and like my thinking about my whole journey,

951
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 3: and I think of coming up for me is that

952
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: I something I've never said to myself is that I'm

953
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: proud of you. And I've really been big about working

954
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: on myself these past few years and a journey of

955
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: self love, and yeah, I think I need to start

956
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: telling myself.

957
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: That, Oh I love that.

958
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: It's a good reminder because we can be our hardest

959
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: and toughest critics sometimes, right.

960
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it just becomes I think I just think

961
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't know how to love themselves,

962
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: and I realized I was one of those people.

963
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Thank you for sharing that.

964
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: I hope that encourages many people to to be better

965
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: with themselves and to show that love, which I think

966
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: is so important. I could seriously talk to you for

967
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: four more hours. This is such a joy and a pleasure,

968
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: and I'm just impressed by obviously the talent that you

969
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: contribute to the world, but also the human that you are.

970
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: And I'm really really psyched that you came on the show.

971
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: Thank you.

972
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: No, I'm equally as stoked and excited. I've actually known

973
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: who you are before this opportunity, so it's just from well,

974
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: from one well respected individual to another. Thank you for

975
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: taking the time and making me feel comfortable. It's interesting,

976
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: like I kind of like in the first few minutes

977
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: of talking to someone, I kind of gauge whether I'm

978
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: going to open open up or like open up to

979
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: a different degree, and I just felt like this was

980
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 3: a space where I felt like I could open open

981
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: up and I did that, and so thank you. I

982
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: think it's very important to let people like you know

983
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: how making someone feel safe is important. It just makes

984
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: the conversation so much easy and more fluid, you know.

985
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you mind, Matt Well, I appreciate that.

986
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Everybody needs to go watch this

987
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: new season of The Chosen to see all the amazingness

988
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: that you contribute, and we are ready for it and

989
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: all the other seasons to come. Thank you for everything,

990
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: and we look forward to following everything you keep doing.

991
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: I have a feeling we're going to be seeing a

992
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: lot of you over the next couple decades.

993
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: Oh, let's see one can help put it out there, Tommy,

994
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: I have no.

995
00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: Doubt, my man.

996
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much and until we meet again,

997
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: until we meet again, thank you. I've Never Said This

998
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dedario. This podcast is

999
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: executive produced by Andrew Pivlisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy,

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00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before

1001
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: is part of the Elvis Duran podcast network on iHeart Podcasts.

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00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,080
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