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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I've been talking about this morning

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Speaker 2: Oh just you know, how if I'm trying to think

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Speaker 2: Like we're all good enough to have gotten there supposedly fishing,

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Speaker 1: Much the lake's change though, because it depends on the lake. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't need power poles because I'm gonna fish out

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Speaker 1: How did he know, I never saw him in practice.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you're gonna have somebody argue why,

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Speaker 2: So this dude just been saving this fish for three day.

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Speaker 1: Special history on that lake.

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Speaker 2: I fished there one time, the year that I made it,

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Speaker 1: What was it lake? When you fish that lake for

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. I fished the tournament and practice

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Speaker 1: When you're huge, dude. I saw I saw some video recently,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, well, it looks like there's some

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Speaker 2: If not, we'll go somewhere else, and then I mean

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Speaker 1: I've been reading a lot of the bass Master magazines,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did one of those. It's awesome. I

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Speaker 1: It's cool because, like I read one. I went back

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Speaker 2: Bit yeah one in thirty minutes, You're like, I suck.

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Speaker 1: Right, Like we'll just go back to the dock and

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Speaker 1: sell all my stuff.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that every day.

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Speaker 1: But when you read those and you see how many

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you just need a clue. A lot of

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Speaker 2: putting a little bit stuff together, like like, dude, one

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Speaker 2: it on wood? Was it on grass? Was it on

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Speaker 2: reeling it in? And it ate it? Like It's just

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Speaker 2: like I've had a lot of times like dude, I'll

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Speaker 1: That one tournament that I was talking about, where you know,

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Speaker 1: I've seen this time and time again. It's happened to me.

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Speaker 1: I know it's happened to you. He was fishing something

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00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 1: on top right. He was coming over the grass and

437
00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,560
Speaker 1: then just killing it. But he hadn't had a bite

438
00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,920
Speaker 1: in forty five minutes, so he's like throwing over here.

439
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,040
Speaker 1: He's working it nothing, he's scanning, looking for the next

440
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,760
Speaker 1: spot where he's gonna throw. And sometimes I feel like

441
00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 1: that's a big no no, because then you forget to

442
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 1: worry about the bait ba water. Literally I saw him

443
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 1: throw real this back and when it almost got to

444
00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 1: this piece of grass, he turns his head to look

445
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: for something else and he starts to stop and pull

446
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,080
Speaker 1: his bait back, and I'm telling you, a four and

447
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,880
Speaker 1: a half pounder came blowing up and missed it. He

448
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,440
Speaker 1: heard the splash. He turns, he looks down, but now

449
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't even know which way it was coming from.

450
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 1: He just knew that there was a fish there and

451
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,199
Speaker 1: he saw the rough water. So he was like he

452
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 1: looked back at me. I can't tell him anything. I

453
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell him anything anyway, he didn't even ask, but

454
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,880
Speaker 1: he's like, ay, So then he's just started working it again.

455
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 1: Never got the blow up that he was looking for.

456
00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 1: But when I watched him work that bait, he missed

457
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:43,119
Speaker 1: the juice every single time, and that's where I was like,

458
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 1: that stinks. So in tournaments that I've had, especially crank baits,

459
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,360
Speaker 1: you work him back and then you start to get

460
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 1: that slow rise where it's starting to come up. Most

461
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 1: guys are just like gonna speed burn it from there.

462
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: That's usually where you're going to get one. You know,

463
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,160
Speaker 1: when you're like, man, it bit right at the boat,

464
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,200
Speaker 1: Well that thing was falling.

465
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

466
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,199
Speaker 1: You just didn't realize.

467
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well what you realize a lot now with the

468
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 2: livescote is how many do follow Oh yeah, it is unbelievable.

469
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 2: They ain't never gonna bite it. They'll follow it through

470
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 2: the boat and just wim off.

471
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 1: But see, that's the worst part of our live scille

472
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 1: because then what happens live stop starts to catch you. Yep,

473
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: it's not catching the fish. Oh you see those guys

474
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 1: with their bet necks and they'll watch that screen for forty.

475
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 2: Minutes, Yeah, and not catch anything.

476
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, when you're practicing for a tournament, you're like, i'll

477
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: make five casts at this point. If I don't get anything.

478
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 2: On it, I'll go on to the next one.

479
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: But if you got live scolle and you're sitting there

480
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: just watching it, you're like, I know there's fish here.

481
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: That's cool. If it's they may not be ready to

482
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 1: buy it. That's the thing. I'm marking that spot. I'll

483
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, come and maybe come back and check

484
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: it out.

485
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: That's right. But I but like the cool thing like

486
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: seeing one following it, Like you could change colors and

487
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 2: try it for a little while, like and if they're

488
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: still following it, we're like, well, maybe they're just not

489
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: biting good. But if you change colors and they start

490
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: eating it, you're like, well that was easy. Like that's

491
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 2: what it can tell you. Like that's why I just

492
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: I'm not against it because of that reason, But I.

493
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Speaker 1: Think that's I mean, that's obviously the benefits everybody who's

494
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: against it, they don't realize the benefit. Yes, it just

495
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not conducive to their style.

496
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. But yeah, the the sea and

497
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: the little subtleties is the cool thing about breaking down

498
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: like bass fishing. That's that's why I love it. Boy.

499
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: It flecks me up though, Dude, I love figure I

500
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: think like if you could bottle up that feeling of

501
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 2: figuring them out, dude, it's the best feeling in the world.

502
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: There's no drug out there, like, no no of my I

503
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: don't think, which I haven't tried. But I used to.

504
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: Hear from dudes back in the day. They'd be like,

505
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: if you throw a crank bait and they they barely

506
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: nip that back trouble, it's a color issue, something wrong.

507
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: So then I'm like, okay, and then you change it.

508
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,479
Speaker 1: But then when you throw it through a pile of

509
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: them and you watch four or five of them turn

510
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: on it, Yeah, you go back through it and you

511
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: slow your cadence down a little bit, and then all

512
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden one of them nails it. You're like, oh,

513
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: so it wasn't a color thing. It was the fact

514
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: that I felt like I was burning it to you,

515
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: and it makes you realize real quick when they say

516
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: fish slow, you got a fish slower? Yeah, that live

517
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: scalpe will tell you real quick if you're fishing too bad.

518
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: Another thing I've not like, I don't know if you've

519
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: seen it in a livescope, Dude, how far your bait

520
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: moves in the water when you're like, you don't really

521
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 2: like when you're moving it, Dude, it's like four ft.

522
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: It's at the bottom of the book.

523
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm a thirty.

524
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: Foot of water.

525
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's like, man, we work our stuff way

526
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 2: too hard sometimes.

527
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: That's why I laughed. Like when I was watching Siflintes

528
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: on the Michigan like Saint Clair last year, and they

529
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: went back and they showed how subtle he moves it wrong,

530
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: was working the tip of his drop shot.

531
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: Buddy, like barely moving it.

532
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: I mean barely. And then you watch somebody on like

533
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: sand Tea and they're like yeah, and it's like, dude,

534
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: you're in five foot of water. He's out in fifteen

535
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: twenty foot of water. He's barely moving it. But if

536
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: you watch that tail, yep, that's all you really need.

537
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: It's It's that's where I think the real benefit of

538
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: technology comes into it, you know. I I'd mentioned this

539
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: on the last podcast we did, but there was a

540
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: local kids tournament and they banned live scope and I'm like,

541
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: wait to stand on that hill and I'm sitting there

542
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: going that's the exact tournament where you need to have.

543
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: That's when you need it. If you have a kid

544
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: in the boat, you want to be able to say, hey,

545
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: throw over here, and you know what they all and watch.

546
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: Like at least you watch them like, hey, what are they?

547
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 2: Like we were I've been filming. I just got back

548
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 2: from filming all week with Randall Tharpe with my Rod company,

549
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: and he actually took a kid out the other day.

550
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: He said, I got to show him like he was

551
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: asking me like, what are these mister rens? That was

552
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: your bass. He's like, we're gonna figure out how to

553
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 2: catch them. And that kid was like throwing these different

554
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: baits and he said, I didn't really tell you anything

555
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: to do. He was kind of being able to watch

556
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: it and making them react. I'm like, well, he's getting

557
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: to learn, like yeah, of all the tournaments to band

558
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: it and don't do it when with kids in it.

559
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Like I could understand like the elites or something on

560
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: one level, but not with the dang kids where they

561
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: can see them.

562
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, Like you wanted to talk

563
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: about the positives and the benefits of fishing and not

564
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: really worried about like the negative side. There is nothing

565
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: better than signing up for a tournament, sitting in a

566
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: boat and watching that sunrise.

567
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh, it's awesome. And the sun the sun sets we

568
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: had this week in Florida.

569
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

570
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: It was on that it was a little stormy, but

571
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: like right at the end of the day, you know,

572
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: do you get that cloud with the sun? Dude? It

573
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: was on and you're like, why aren't we worried about everything?

574
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much. I watched the video and

575
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: it was Kevin van Dam and he was just kind

576
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: of recapping his his career a little bit and he

577
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the one nice thing about me

578
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: having this career is I've seen more beautiful sunsets and sunrises.

579
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: Than anybody in the world.

580
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: And that is so true. Like you mentioned, fishing is

581
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: fun because you just want to go out and you

582
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: just want to fish. Dude. That's how I treat most

583
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: tournaments that I go into, and I think that's mainly

584
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: because I haven't gotten to the point where I feel

585
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: like I've got a you know, Oh man, I really

586
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: got to break this down. I gotta get this section.

587
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I feel like what really separates the

588
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: men from the boys when it comes to tournament fishing

589
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: is you guys see an object in the water, whether

590
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: it's a deep brush pile, or it's a lay down,

591
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: or it's a bank with a bunch of rocks, and

592
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: y'all just know how to pick apart what you're doing,

593
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: but you're still having a good time.

594
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: Doing Yes, yes, well, that's that's what we love doing,

595
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: is picking it apart, like learning every because that's the

596
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: coolest thing with fishing is you never learn everything, like

597
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: it's always different every single day.

598
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: And how important is boat position when you're trying to

599
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: break something down.

600
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: It's it's it's everything, Like literally, the way we move

601
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: our boats and the way we put our boats on

602
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: the bank or set up on a piece of brush

603
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: off shore, anything like boat positioning is ninety percent of

604
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: catching a bass.

605
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh see, man, I think you and i'd have a

606
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: hard time fishing.

607
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just running the boat.

608
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: Well's I feel like if I took the boat and

609
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you'd be like having a heart

610
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: attack in the back, like you cannot get that close. Yeah,

611
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: you got it. Back off.

612
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: I've just noticed people fishing and I never say anything

613
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: to them because I sometimes I just like fishing in

614
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: the back, just having a good time buddies. But dude,

615
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: they will run all over everything, like just I mean,

616
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: be wide. It might be flipping a tree. My dad's

617
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: terrible about Well, he'll be flipping a tree and he'll

618
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: flip over. You can't tell him nothing either, No, No,

619
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: He'll flip over to the tree and the boat will

620
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: still be going. Like He'll still be trolling at the tree,

621
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what are you doing. By the time

622
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: you lift up, you're gonna have to back wash the

623
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: tree to keep from running over it.

624
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: So I was fishing with a buddy of mine, and

625
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's just the nicest dude in the world.

626
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: Older guy, loves to fish, not married. So he's like,

627
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: I spend my money fishing, my time fishing. Yeah, And

628
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: we went out and of course what I do a

629
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: ricky move I'm flipping a jig or something and I

630
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: come buy something. I get hung up, and he goes, ooh,

631
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: you're in a bad spot. You might have to break

632
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: that off. And I'm like, what are you talking about.

633
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: That's a five dollars jig and I'm not doing that.

634
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: Like we got to get up on there. And he goes, nah,

635
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: this doc is too good, like you're gonna have to

636
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: break that off, and I'm like, I can get it.

637
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: I can get it. So he's like, all right, take

638
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: the trolling motor. So he's sacrificing a good spot because

639
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: he wants to see whether or not I know what

640
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Literally, I go up with the troller motor.

641
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: I get close to the piling. I turned the head

642
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: of the troller motor around so now the blade is

643
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: facing the dock. And when I went to step on it,

644
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: he was like no, no, no, no, no no, And

645
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you talking about? And he goes,

646
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: you never want to backwash underneath the dock ever, So

647
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: now like, okay, mental note, check that away. I luckily

648
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: got the jig back, but it was it was dicey,

649
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: and of course we don't catch anything on that dock.

650
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: So part of me is like, well, I don't know

651
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: if you're right then, because we didn't getch anything. He's like, well,

652
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: we were also right on top of the piling bud.

653
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. But yeah, both position is a big deal.

654
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: You just got to be conscious of where it's at

655
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: and where it's going eggs like basically, And I think

656
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: that's I've taken a lot of kids fishing, and I

657
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: feel like I like teaching them more about running the

658
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: troller motor and fishing at the same time than just

659
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: actually fishing. Sure, there's a big difference in standing behind

660
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: your dad or somebody in fishing because dude, you hit

661
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: all the angles, that's all your wordbots cast and well

662
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: you get up there running that troller motor as a

663
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: ten left twelve year old. It's the whole ever ball game.

664
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you're having to focus on which way

665
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: your foot needs to turn, Like you need to be

666
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: able to consciously know which way. If you put your

667
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: foot down, it turns this way, up goes the other way.

668
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: But if you get some like wind or you get

669
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: some current and you're casting, technically you want to cast

670
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: into the wind. Yeah, for the bait to work effectively

671
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: in the water because of how a bay fish swiad.

672
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: So when you're in a tournament, like, how do you

673
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: keep yourself from backlashing? Does it still happen to you

674
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: as a pro.

675
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll backlash some, but I mean the reels we

676
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: use or the reels I use, or you can adjust them,

677
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: like a lot of times you can adjust them on

678
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: the fly, like if it you know, if you come

679
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: around a point and you got the wind blowing in

680
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: on you, like you just crank it up, like, crank

681
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: the brakes up a little bit. You're gonna be able

682
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: to throw. You may not be able to throw as far,

683
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: but you might throw ten foot shorter, but you're not

684
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: gonna backlash to where like it was when it was

685
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: real loose before you got into the wind. So I

686
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: think that's a big deal. Been able to know to

687
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: adjust your reels, you know, on the I call it

688
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: on the fly, you know, just right there when you're fishing.

689
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: What was your what was your worst backlash story? It

690
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: could have been in the tournament. It could have been

691
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: fun fishing. I feel like everybody, oh.

692
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got one, I've got one. Oh yeah, yeah,

693
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: I was fishing. I don't even know what was that

694
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: back I I was at Kentucky Lake for a Coast

695
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: to championship or something back when I was younger, and

696
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I was throwing a spook on braid and dude, I

697
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: went to cast and the braid caught, you know, you

698
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: know how like you throw too hard And when it caught,

699
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: I grabbed like I grabbed the rod with my hand

700
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: like and it and it like pulled my hand like

701
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: it twisted my hand away and I freaking tore a

702
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: tendon in my wrists. Yes, sir, I had to go

703
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: to therapy and.

704
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: Having that surgery or was that No, it was that

705
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: was a whole different thing.

706
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, dude, you know how you get like they

707
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: were up school and you know how you get excited

708
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: you just raar it back do When I did it,

709
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: and I caught the rod like a weird way and

710
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: it like popped, I was like, and it, dude, it burned.

711
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: I was like, man, that didn't feel right, and it

712
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: it didn't work right the rest of the week, Like

713
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: I had to take my wrist up my.

714
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: Hand and even a backlash that's an e R visit.

715
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it got it caught you know that braid

716
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: will catch on itself and dig in there, And it

717
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: was Yeah, I haven't told many people that, but I.

718
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Mean I had. I had a backlash story. I mean,

719
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: my my first one was the most epic. So I'd

720
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: never used a bay caster before it went to bass Pro,

721
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: bought a bay caster, spoiled it up. My buddy and

722
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: buddy of mine who I was fishing with, he was like,

723
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: all right, bring it out there. But before he could

724
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: even tell me, like, hey, you need to adjust in tune,

725
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: this sent it like this and that whole thing just

726
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: he hands me his rod and he goes here, you

727
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: play with that for a little bit. I'll work on this.

728
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: Forty seven minutes later, Yeah, i'd.

729
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: Have told you he was able to get.

730
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: Cut this stuff out and go Now, knowing that you

731
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: can just get new line and just spool it up again,

732
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm so fast to be like, well, I'm just gonna

733
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: take this out because all that memory that builds up end.

734
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: Us, especially with the floor carbon line now day, when

735
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: it catches on itself a few times with it being dry,

736
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: it'll end up breaking.

737
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: But a couple guys, like in tournaments, they've talked about

738
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: how they've caught a fish, they brought it in their

739
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: next cast. It blows up. They know, they fired up

740
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: the school and they were like constantly throwing that ride down,

741
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: picking up another one, just trying to adjust on the fly.

742
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: That's got to be a miserable, miserable couple of minutes.

743
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: It is that because and I mean that's a good thing,

744
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: you know, something we have going for. So we have

745
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: enough rods and real spe able to you know, rig

746
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: up the same thing on two or three different rods.

747
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: So I always try and do that, especially if I'm

748
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: in like the schooling situation or like small mouthfishing, like

749
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: rigging those drop shots and stuff. Good god, dude, you're

750
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: out in them waves and you catch one and it's

751
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: all tangled up. It ain't even worth like trying to

752
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: retie the FG nod or whatever not you tie, just

753
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: pick up another one. The problem with that is you

754
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: go through about five of them, which means you're probably

755
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: having a good day. Then you got to sit down

756
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: and redo all of them, right, Like, it's just god,

757
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: it's aggravating.

758
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't make leaders long enough to know what

759
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: you're trying to.

760
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: Definitely not you'll you'll get about you know, four or

761
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: five fish out of a leader, and then that's that's Aaron.

762
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Martin's had kind of given a tip back in the day,

763
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a really solid tip. You know,

764
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys they'll take their leader on their

765
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: spinner rods and their leader will actually be in the

766
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: school mm hmm. And one of the problems that Aaron

767
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Martin was saying is, did you ever notice when you

768
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: cast that you're always catching like that first guide he

769
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: goes between the guide and the spool, right in the middle.

770
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: That's where your leader needs to meet your your braid.

771
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: Mmmm.

772
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: He's like, then you can just sit there and cast.

773
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: I made that subtle adjustment.

774
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: You can explain it, dude.

775
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: It's it's all the difference in the world. And that's

776
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: something that I don't think a lot of people want

777
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: to know to think about because they're just like, man,

778
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: this not keeps getting held up. No, it's the way

779
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: it's coming off that spoy, Like you just got to

780
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: get right to the point, right to the quicker.

781
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've got it right above your reel when

782
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: you go to castle, it's just going straight through it

783
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: instead of coming off the spoel like you're talking about. Yeah,

784
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: because if you slowed it down when it comes off

785
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: the spool, it's actually bigger, you know, and then it

786
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: has to shrink back down and go through the guide.

787
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: Well, you got Toledo Ben coming up. When you look

788
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: at the schedule of the bass Master Elites this year

789
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: and the NPFL, give me some of the lakes that

790
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: you're pretty excited about.

791
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely excited about Toledo.

792
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: Even though you've only fished there a handful of times. Yeah,

793
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: just just is it just because it's the kickoff of

794
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: the season.

795
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: Probably excited to get there. I mean there's giants live there,

796
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: like big ones. I mean it could be and you know,

797
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: we may be able to catch them on the bank

798
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: shall because we're you know, if we can get some

799
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: warm weather, that's That's what I'd really like to do,

800
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: go wind around or you know, flip a jig or something.

801
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: And is it bad that every time I think of

802
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Toledo Bend, I'm always thinking Ohio and it's in Texas.

803
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: Oh because of Toledo.

804
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Every time I hain't see Toledo Bend, I'm like, man,

805
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: Ohio right off the rip.

806
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: Wow, it definitely not definitely, don't want to go anywhere

807
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: bass fish in Ohio. No, I'll go deer hunting, but

808
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pass on the on the bass fishing. Yeah,

809
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm looking forward to fishing in Alabama.

810
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: I just wish we weren't fishing the time of year

811
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: that we were. Okay, So you've got Smith and Wheeler.

812
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: And and the timing for both of those lakes is

813
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: just kind of awful. Little bit June.

814
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: I mean, June's good on the Tennessee River. Everybody knows that,

815
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: which is where we'll be there, you know, the second

816
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: week of June for Wheeler, that'll be a really good tournament.

817
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: But the Smith one, I've heard a lot of guys

818
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: talk about which.

819
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Which you're you know, you're good buddies with Joseph, and

820
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: he's really familiar with that place. It's not, uh, you know,

821
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't schedule the tournaments. I just man, that's gonna

822
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: be a not even from a fishing standpoint, from the

823
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: boat traffic, it's it's gonna be an interesting one for sure.

824
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: How about how about the story with Joseph. Right now,

825
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: he has a house on Smith and because of your rules.

826
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: With any angle by himself.

827
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: He legitimately looks out at that water every day and

828
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: he's like, man, he was worried at first. He was worried, like,

829
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: can I even go to a restaurant with like friends

830
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: of mine type thing? You know what I mean? And

831
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, he called Lisa Talmadge, who's the tournament director

832
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: for Bass and they had a great conversation about it.

833
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: He's like, it's the weirdest thing in the world when

834
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: you look at a body of water that you just

835
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: can't go on with your friends and family.

836
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well I had the same thing. Or I'm

837
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: me and wheal like it lay like you can't go

838
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: out there and crappee fish well like people that you

839
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: normally do, you can't, like normally i'd go to like

840
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: that year, like I'll go to nearly five or six

841
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: times in a month. I don't I mean go out

842
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: there by yourself with that's not no fun. Now you

843
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: want to go, yeah, but it it does make it

844
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: so there's like a you know, a negative and a

845
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: plus to fishing at your home place.

846
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Oh what lake this year? Do you feel like you

847
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: want to overcome or you want to conquer?

848
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: Saint Lawrence River Gosh, has it just.

849
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: Been a thorn in your side?

850
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: Like I catch them just good enough to miss the cut,

851
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: Like I've never fished on the Saint Lawrence rivering and

852
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: not finished in the fifties.

853
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Is that because it's small mouth, Like you're just not

854
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: getting the big girls?

855
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the small mouth have been a nemesis,

856
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: but you just you have to find those five pounders

857
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: and like the high threes and fours, just don't do

858
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: it like I've caught. I had a me and Kyle

859
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: Jesse that works for past the last day of the tournament.

860
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: This year, I had like nineteen something. He's like, he

861
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: broke your twenty pounds streak. I'd caught twenty twenty, like

862
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: between twenty and twenty one pounds every day up there

863
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: and have yet to make a cut like exaid for

864
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: that last dude, Sam, Now you catch twenty and you're like, man,

865
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Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta call these four pounders like I'm real.

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Speaker 1: So I felt so impressed at the bag that I

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Speaker 1: had on Logan because I saw the I saw the number,

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Speaker 1: But even when I weighed that bag in, I didn't

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Speaker 1: think it was going to be what it turned out

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Speaker 1: to be. And then I sat there and I fucked

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Speaker 1: to a buddy of mine and I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is why I'm not a pro, because y'all can like

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Speaker 1: look at a bag and you're within, you know, a

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Speaker 1: couple of tenths. Me, I was off by like a

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Speaker 1: pound and a half, and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: You think you do? You think you had more?

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Speaker 1: No, I think I had less. But I'm so used

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Speaker 1: to him. This is this is me in tournament fishing.

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Speaker 1: I'm so used to not catching him anyway, So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like when I got five, dude, I was excited,

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Speaker 1: but when I was dragging around this little twelve twelve

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Speaker 1: point one inch bass, I was like, man, you got

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Speaker 1: to get out of here. I know, I got five,

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Speaker 1: and that's all.

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Speaker 2: I was happy to have him, though, oh I was

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Speaker 2: stuck when canute this is great.

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Speaker 1: Like I was even telling my my partner that I

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Speaker 1: was fishing with. I was like, this little guy as

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Speaker 1: much of a nuisance as he is. We got happy

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Speaker 1: that we got him, but it wasn't until we got

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Speaker 1: to the scales and they actually put him up there,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is this is exactly

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Speaker 1: what these bags have been over the last couple of months,

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Speaker 1: so I was happy about that. Man, well, best of

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Speaker 1: luck this season. I know you're gonna do great and

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Speaker 1: obviously everybody's gonna follow along. But you're doing bass Master

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Speaker 1: Elites National Professional Fishing League, which is awesome. The NPFL.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be out at that event at Logan

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Speaker 1: Martin to kind of kick it off. So this is

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Speaker 1: an exciting time. This is when Fixing everybody gets really

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Speaker 1: pumped about where they're going to go. I mean the

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Speaker 1: influx of social media videos, everybody pumping their sponsors down,

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Speaker 1: what they're talking about, the new stuff for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: That's exciting.

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Speaker 2: Yep, for sure. For sure, Be sure and follow along

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Speaker 2: with is Fixing the get.

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