Speaker 1: While I was building our business in Brooklyn, it was
Speaker 1: tough to make money without people assuming that I was
Speaker 1: doing things wrong.
Speaker 2: Dead Ass because when you come from the floor once, honey,
Speaker 2: we know how they make their money over there are
Speaker 2: some of them, dudes, and it's not always ethical.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest and straight
Speaker 1: from the heart. Since then, we've gone on to become
Speaker 1: Webby Award winning podcasters in New York Times bestselling authors.
Speaker 2: Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us. It
Speaker 2: was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable, be.
Speaker 4: Wrong, of course, but most apportly be us.
Speaker 2: But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do
Speaker 2: we and through it all, one thing has never changed.
Speaker 2: This because we got a lot to talk about story times.
Speaker 4: So Dolo's gonna laugh at this.
Speaker 1: I remember when yes this seas I turned thirty twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen s eleven years ago, for my thirtieth birthday, I
Speaker 1: started to finally say, you know, I'm gonna do something
Speaker 1: for myself and I leased at Audi A seven. At
Speaker 1: the same time, Dolo had just bought his seven series
Speaker 1: BMW and we were running the program. Remember we started
Speaker 1: prototype in twenty ten started to gain popularity around twenty
Speaker 1: even twenty twelve. We were at our peak from twenty
Speaker 1: and thirteen through like twenty and eighteen. Right what a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't know during that time was I
Speaker 1: was also doing commercials. I had booked three national commercials.
Speaker 1: I was doing color commentary. I was also assistant teaching.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of money coming in, but I
Speaker 1: noticed that people around me, who were in the training
Speaker 1: area thought that I was making all of my money
Speaker 1: off of the kids I was training. So they started
Speaker 1: to speak negatively about me and Dolo and Brian, saying
Speaker 1: that we were scamming, saying that we were staying from
Speaker 1: people who wasn't helping them. And it made me feel like, dang,
Speaker 1: the minute you start to better yourself, no matter what
Speaker 1: it's for, because everything we did for the for the
Speaker 1: company at Prototype was for the community. Like, if I'm
Speaker 1: being honest now, I didn't make a lot of money
Speaker 1: on Prototype.
Speaker 2: I tried to make it purposefully affordable for our local folks.
Speaker 1: And even though I was able to do that and
Speaker 1: able to train a bunch of kids and not make
Speaker 1: a lot of money off of those kids or their parents,
Speaker 1: it was still put on us by the community that
Speaker 1: we only did it to make money from those people,
Speaker 1: and that's all we were doing was making money.
Speaker 4: And I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: It pissed me the fuck off and it made it
Speaker 1: that much easier for me to leave.
Speaker 2: In that return. All right, karaoke time. What you got
Speaker 2: for us today, baby? Anything I've heard you? I heard
Speaker 2: you over there practice and warming up.
Speaker 1: Bana banam damp damp damp, damn damn dannam damn damn.
Speaker 4: Money money money, money, money, money, money, money.
Speaker 2: Maney, that's all we got. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: goes past that. Do you know what it is? That's
Speaker 2: what I say. You know what my favorite money song was.
Speaker 2: This takes me back to when I used to work
Speaker 2: in Mac Cosmetics. Shout out to Mac Cosmetics.
Speaker 4: We had the same I know what it is because
Speaker 4: never I came to pick you up.
Speaker 2: Because it was one of those things. It was my
Speaker 2: theme song coming in after a while. Because I was
Speaker 2: one of the highest earners in each store that I
Speaker 2: was in.
Speaker 4: My a us was always high at the same time.
Speaker 5: Ready one two, I need dollars, dollars is what I need.
Speaker 5: Every time I came to pick ship with me money
Speaker 5: with something like that used to go. But it was
Speaker 5: such a good it was I don't even know.
Speaker 4: I need to look.
Speaker 2: That needs to go into my permanent playlist in rotation.
Speaker 2: All y'all, we're gonna take a quick break and we're
Speaker 2: gonna get back with op or no stick around.
Speaker 4: All right, we back, all right, get.
Speaker 2: Your battle close by. Hey, hey, all right, now talk
Speaker 2: to us, Talk to us, honey buns, what we got today?
Speaker 4: All right? Right in my face here, man, in my face.
Speaker 4: It's all right.
Speaker 2: Just another term of endearment.
Speaker 4: When you have a fatty.
Speaker 2: Come on, now, you say what I'm saying. From one
Speaker 2: fatty to the next.
Speaker 4: Wow the fatty and me sees the fatty in you.
Speaker 2: I love that for us. Y.
Speaker 4: Look you see all the guys can't say nothing, right nothing.
Speaker 4: I hope y'all enjoy y'all.
Speaker 2: Innocent?
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 6: So the Diddy trial has been in the news for
Speaker 6: the last few weeks, and lots of people are following it.
Speaker 6: I'm not really one of those people, but I have
Speaker 6: been seeing a lot of commentary on social media about it,
Speaker 6: which led me to wonder, is the Diddy trial the
Speaker 6: new or the current OJ trial? Back in I think
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety five, the live broadcast of the OJ verdict
Speaker 6: had an estimated one hundred and fifty million viewers, and
Speaker 6: it surpassed the.
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, which is usually the biggest viewed event on TV.
Speaker 4: Even the live chase, the Bronco Chase. I remember that
Speaker 4: last time in the final nineteen four Oh wow.
Speaker 6: So an estimated ninety five million people watched that chase
Speaker 6: on live on TV.
Speaker 4: And so I'm wondering.
Speaker 6: And the implications I guess at the time and for
Speaker 6: OJ Simpson in the future were pretty very heavily inspired
Speaker 6: by people's ability to watch it live.
Speaker 4: I think it was one of the.
Speaker 6: First or the first case to have it. Uh yeah,
Speaker 6: And so I'm wondering. Do you think the Diddy trial
Speaker 6: is the new OJ trial?
Speaker 1: No about to say about this. I got an opt
Speaker 1: to my opic is no, I want to hear yours first.
Speaker 3: At all.
Speaker 7: It's nowhere closed. Everybody knows what was happening with OJ
Speaker 7: in some form of fashion and then the spin off
Speaker 7: with the series and everything. Yeah, it'll go into death more.
Speaker 7: I think there's potential for the Diddy thing to have
Speaker 7: a series. I don't, but no, I think there is
Speaker 7: grounds there, but it won't be about the case itself.
Speaker 1: This is what I think, and this is what people
Speaker 1: are forgetting. We got to remember what was going on
Speaker 1: during that time. Right before OJ went on trial.
Speaker 4: There was a huge disagreement between.
Speaker 1: Black folks and white folks because of Rodney King, specifically
Speaker 1: in La So tensions were really high and it was
Speaker 1: like a who was gonna win?
Speaker 4: I think in this Diddy case, everybody loses.
Speaker 1: There's no winner, you know what I'm saying, Like, no
Speaker 1: one's gonna watch the verdict, being like, yeah, during the
Speaker 1: old j trial, when that verdict came out, I remember
Speaker 1: me and my friends and all of us no clue.
Speaker 4: It was nineteen ninety four. I was ten years old.
Speaker 4: We ran outside.
Speaker 8: Yeah we won.
Speaker 2: We won.
Speaker 4: It was like it felt like it was bigger than OJ.
Speaker 4: We were fighting. It was you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We were fighting against an injustice against our people.
Speaker 2: That was the very first form of I'm rooting for
Speaker 2: everybody black.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, evena even if you did it, even we
Speaker 4: were fighting for something.
Speaker 9: This is coming off with Rodney and King too, right,
Speaker 9: So this is like police violence and police brutality, and
Speaker 9: we also we lost that one, and that was huge
Speaker 9: because we actually saw a video of him getting beat
Speaker 9: for the very first time.
Speaker 4: Yes, and he's still uh, he still lost his case.
Speaker 9: When now OJ comes up, you got a black man
Speaker 9: being accused of killing the white women, of course everybody's
Speaker 9: gonna say we want our justice, yes OJ.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I do get that.
Speaker 9: My argument prior to even on the show was that
Speaker 9: it is as big as it but Matt's case, Matt's
Speaker 9: op sort of convinced me that it's not necessarily as big.
Speaker 9: But I think part of this is I think for me,
Speaker 9: like I didn't know who OJ was at that time.
Speaker 9: Like I'm a kid, I was eleven, right, I didn't
Speaker 9: know who OJ was. I think everybody knows who did
Speaker 9: he is and some some sort of respect, like you,
Speaker 9: you kind of have an idea who did he is?
Speaker 9: And not only that, like we mentioned that it was
Speaker 9: like one hundred and fifty people knew who I was.
Speaker 4: Gonna let her finish. I was gonna let you finished first.
Speaker 4: But I didn't know who did he was? I mean,
Speaker 4: who OJ. I don't think very cad who OJ is
Speaker 4: way big.
Speaker 3: They didn't have to care who he was. They knew
Speaker 3: who OJ was you your parents know who OJ was
Speaker 3: being Caribbean.
Speaker 4: People like, no, not really, I don't think I don't
Speaker 4: think so. I think OJ was an American hero.
Speaker 1: But you gotta think the Caribbean population in America is
Speaker 1: way smaller than in nineteen ninety four. They are more
Speaker 1: just American black and American white woman OJ because he
Speaker 1: won the Heisman. But also remember the thing, I'm not black,
Speaker 1: I'm OJ. He was one of the high paid color
Speaker 1: commentators after he retired.
Speaker 4: From the NFL.
Speaker 2: He was personality, yes, like it would be like if
Speaker 2: Tom Brady was up for murder.
Speaker 1: OJ was that big of a star that he felt
Speaker 1: he transcended blackness because white people just loved he was
Speaker 1: a football player.
Speaker 4: He was he was proper. He's proper.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a quote unquote a hood star. He went
Speaker 1: to USC which is the biggest football school. And during
Speaker 1: this time, people have to understand this. I believe it
Speaker 1: was Game five of the NBA Finals. We're watching one
Speaker 1: of the biggest sports. This is the Knicks versus the
Speaker 1: Houston Rockets. This is the first year without Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: Everybody's watching the finals. He was gonna win and they
Speaker 1: interrupt the finals to show us the chase of the
Speaker 1: White Bronz. So they captivated people who didn't even know
Speaker 1: what was going on with OJ when they put that
Speaker 1: in the finals, and that's what made people pay attention.
Speaker 1: It's like, imagine were watching the finals right now and
Speaker 1: they just throw just in the middle.
Speaker 4: It's like, what is this? Yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 4: I would agree with that. I think you were.
Speaker 9: You had to be captivated because how how that case
Speaker 9: was introduced to them, right, Like it's almost like Diddy's
Speaker 9: Diddy for example, if Diddy was to see the video
Speaker 9: of him beating Cassidy Cassie live like it just happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at that moment, you're, of course you're going to
Speaker 4: be now invested.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, right, So that that does make sense, Like
Speaker 9: you you were caltivated by that video is a long
Speaker 9: chase in the middle of fire like primetime TV. Right,
Speaker 9: So it was all so yeah, y'all did convince me?
Speaker 9: I changed my It's not as big as Diddy's case
Speaker 9: is not as as OJ.
Speaker 7: But even in addition to that, the case is it
Speaker 7: was a murder case versus half the people in this case,
Speaker 7: people public opinion.
Speaker 3: You could look at this case, and I don't really care.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's a good point people, murder of
Speaker 1: Rico is, but murder that's I've never thought about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people had to look up the
Speaker 2: whole Rico thing, and then there was the bait. There
Speaker 2: was a debate as to whether or not this was
Speaker 2: qualifications for a Rico case and sex traffic because people
Speaker 2: think that he'll he'll be acquitted by I feel.
Speaker 3: Like that's the biggest thing that's driving conversation.
Speaker 1: No one here is an attorney, but I have spoken
Speaker 1: to a lot of attorneys. I'm not an attorney, and.
Speaker 4: This is what they say.
Speaker 1: A Rico case is proving that you used your business
Speaker 1: empire to not only commit crimes, but hide those crimes.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not an expert, right, but think about it.
Speaker 1: What they're trying to prove is that Diddy, being a billionaire,
Speaker 1: use all of the people around him that were for
Speaker 1: such traffic.
Speaker 4: Right. And this is another thing, is that well Cassie
Speaker 4: admitted that she wanted it. That doesn't matter, right.
Speaker 1: Hiring sex workers is illegal, So if you hired sex
Speaker 1: workers and had your assistance pay them, flew them across
Speaker 1: state lines, had it covered up because you were bribing
Speaker 1: people at a hotel, all the things that happened. That
Speaker 1: means you use your business enterprise to cover up criminal activity.
Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to put on Diddy. Whether Cassie
Speaker 1: agreed or not, or was it part of the free
Speaker 1: court is not that's shouldn't even be talked about.
Speaker 4: It's what resources did. Did he use to do all
Speaker 4: of this? Baby oil? And he used baby oil?
Speaker 9: And this is not a joke, man, People, people's families
Speaker 9: are being hurt and y'all laughing resources.
Speaker 4: God, I'm not gonna lie whenever k comes up the shower. Now, No,
Speaker 4: did he but to bring it back home. The fact
Speaker 4: that people don't.
Speaker 1: Know what a rico is and don't know how to
Speaker 1: even look at it composed to saying did he kill
Speaker 1: her is a bigger difference. Plus, I honestly feel like
Speaker 1: everybody agrees that did he did?
Speaker 4: He is the villain. Like there's nobody saying, I hope
Speaker 4: did he get His defense is saying he's a villain, right,
Speaker 4: Even the defense is saying like, oh, he did this
Speaker 4: and it was OJ. It was OJ would never do this.
Speaker 4: Looking so I'm saying I think it's just different, and.
Speaker 2: There's a consent portion of it, like with the whole trial,
Speaker 2: whereas you don't get consent, you're just no consent to
Speaker 2: be murdered.
Speaker 4: No, you don't need no consent, right, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds good what you got for number two truths?
Speaker 6: The president, the current president, is planning to pardon reality
Speaker 6: TV stars Todd and Julie Christly, your gay.
Speaker 2: Husband didn't no best? You said the gay Apparently they
Speaker 2: did no banks.
Speaker 6: Because twenty twenty two they were convicted of tax evasion
Speaker 6: and bank fraud. So they went around to a bunch
Speaker 6: of like small banks around Atlanta, community banks and they
Speaker 6: defrauded them out of three hundred or thirty six million
Speaker 6: dollars in personal loans, and then they also didn't pay
Speaker 6: their taxes, and Todd was sentenced to they were convicted.
Speaker 6: Todd was sentenced to twelve years in prison. His wife,
Speaker 6: Julie was sentenced to seven years in prison. And since then, Todd,
Speaker 6: his mother has been lobbying and meeting with the president.
Speaker 6: I think there was a story that she paid a
Speaker 6: million dollars to have lunch with the president. And now
Speaker 6: the president is saying that he's going to pardon them
Speaker 6: for their financial crimes. And this news comes after the
Speaker 6: Trump administration has promised to start garnishing wages for millions
Speaker 6: of Americans who are in student loan debts and ending
Speaker 6: income based repayment plans for those people who cannot afford
Speaker 6: those regular payments.
Speaker 4: So op or no opp? Got an op?
Speaker 1: This is what they do like, this is not new
Speaker 1: to me. This is what what Trump does. Like he
Speaker 1: finds his friends, He finds his people. You got money,
Speaker 1: I got money. You're willing to pay for whatever I'm
Speaker 1: about to give you. Okay, you pay me now? Now
Speaker 1: you own me, so I'll do something for you. It's
Speaker 1: called qui pro quote. That's that's politics.
Speaker 3: But this is that's exactly I have.
Speaker 1: No this is you know what I'm saying. And there's
Speaker 1: nothing for me to look at other than Okay, he's
Speaker 1: doing something first friend, he's helping out. He's gonna want
Speaker 1: something in return later on, and we're going to see
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 4: Then, how don't do crime?
Speaker 3: Right about to see the same thing happened in New York?
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, qui for sure, that's why I know they
Speaker 4: doing what they do.
Speaker 3: I don't do crime, right You don't you don't.
Speaker 2: We hustling back with y'all. Clearly this is out of
Speaker 2: my tax racket conversation. I just because it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: They learned a lot.
Speaker 4: How did they do?
Speaker 2: I just want to I don't know how they went
Speaker 2: about doing that, Like, we're like.
Speaker 4: How do how do you thirty six million?
Speaker 2: How do you mastermind the heists like this? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, you use so much brain power
Speaker 2: to be fraudulent, how about you use the brain power
Speaker 2: to do something that actually makes you worthy of making
Speaker 2: that kind of money. I'll never understand it.
Speaker 4: I feel you thirty six million in personal loans. Here's
Speaker 4: a crazy part.
Speaker 1: They'll pardon them and then they'll still people sitting in
Speaker 1: jail for petty crimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for Dina Dine bagg of Weed doing twenty years bro.
Speaker 4: It's sad. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And their I guess their defense was that they were
Speaker 6: unfairly targeted because of their conservative beliefs. That's what they've
Speaker 6: been trying to say happened.
Speaker 4: It was this is what happens.
Speaker 1: They were waving the flag to all the conservatives to say, hey,
Speaker 1: come save us. Yes, it's no different than Jim or said,
Speaker 1: God rest is soul. He passed away. But remember when
Speaker 1: he was arrested for a DWI or duy and he
Speaker 1: said that he was targeted because he's a rich white billionaire. No,
Speaker 1: you targeted because you was driving crazy and you're freaking
Speaker 1: swerving and you was driving drunk. But that was his defense,
Speaker 1: that I'm a rich white billionaire. And what it did
Speaker 1: was got the ears of those rich white billionaires and
Speaker 1: they were able to do their things, say hey, they
Speaker 1: got one of us, let's get them out. The only
Speaker 1: thing I would say to that is that we should
Speaker 1: do the same thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think you're sending the message that
Speaker 6: the things that the government says are illegal are not
Speaker 6: really illegal. Because the way that they defrauded the banks
Speaker 6: out of money that they took out these personal loans
Speaker 6: and then they took.
Speaker 4: Out more loans to then pay the old ones, and they.
Speaker 6: Use the personal loans to fund their like luxurious lifestyle,
Speaker 6: eight cars and travel and you know.
Speaker 2: So the fact is that they just they were getting approved,
Speaker 2: where we have our regular average folks who just try
Speaker 2: to get approved for a home or a loan just
Speaker 2: to list and.
Speaker 4: We can't get approved in your average like.
Speaker 2: I six three sixty four a house.
Speaker 3: I can't give you three sixty I gotta give it
Speaker 3: to my man's over there.
Speaker 4: Right, that's literally what it is. I can't Josh.
Speaker 2: Private jets.
Speaker 4: I can't. I gotta give Chris forty million.
Speaker 3: I gotta pay for gas on the jets. You're not
Speaker 3: going on vacation. He paying for the gas.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, It's so funny. That's the American way. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't surprise me. It just not surprised me at all.
Speaker 4: It absolutely is.
Speaker 1: But and I know because we talked about this on
Speaker 1: the last show about segue, right, so we're going to
Speaker 1: be very deliberate.
Speaker 4: That's the end of opping.
Speaker 1: Noah, So a young lady, whoever is the one I'm
Speaker 1: speak to, A young lady who said, you didn't know
Speaker 1: when you were sure?
Speaker 4: We're doing this for you, all right, but this is
Speaker 4: actually welcome. Perfect though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about understanding business and how so many of the
Speaker 1: people around us don't understand business, so when you start
Speaker 1: to excel at business, they automatically look at you as
Speaker 1: if you're doing something that's not ethical.
Speaker 4: And that's just not the case.
Speaker 6: Well, I think to segue into the conversation I think
Speaker 6: that when we talk about money and ethics, this is
Speaker 6: a really great time to be talking about it, because
Speaker 6: it seems as though rich people are only doing what's
Speaker 6: gonna make rich people richer. They're not concerned with forwarding society.
Speaker 6: They're not concerned with keeping people educated or taken care of.
Speaker 6: They're not concerned with anything except making more money for
Speaker 6: the people who already have loads and loads of fucking money.
Speaker 6: And I really don't think that people know how much
Speaker 6: a billion dollars actually is and the fact that we
Speaker 6: live in a false meritocracy. What they're doing is making
Speaker 6: people believe that because these people have money, it makes
Speaker 6: them better than us, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 6: we could all have money if we were just as good,
Speaker 6: if we were just as smart, if we were just
Speaker 6: as ambitious, When that is not the case. Most billionaires
Speaker 6: got their money from their parents or from you know,
Speaker 6: their grandparents, great grandparents. Most billionaires did not work for
Speaker 6: what they have, and most billionaires they learned how to
Speaker 6: build money upon money upon money as they already fucking
Speaker 6: And are.
Speaker 2: We think white millionaires because I can think of two
Speaker 2: that come to mind that built their shit from nothing
Speaker 2: Tyler Ferry is Rihanna billionaire satisfy? Right, Yeah, so a
Speaker 2: lot of people are building their billionaire status, whereas to
Speaker 2: your point, Triple, a lot of the billionaires that we
Speaker 2: know of that have the legacy passed down are typically white.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, just based on the history of this country,
Speaker 1: you're not going to find too many black billionaires that
Speaker 1: came from it, just because of the way our ancestors
Speaker 1: were brought here. The way you build equity and finances
Speaker 1: the fastest in this country is through land, and they
Speaker 1: purposely found ways to not give us land because they
Speaker 1: knew that that's what it was. With that being said, though,
Speaker 1: like Tristan, like Tripple said, there have been a few
Speaker 1: of us who've been able to accrue a huge amount
Speaker 1: of wealth. Right, But let's be honest. What happens to
Speaker 1: those people we as a community often demonize, right, And
Speaker 1: I'll use the example, you don't even got to be
Speaker 1: a billionaire the minute I started helping kids and I
Speaker 1: was charging kids and then I actually did something for myself.
Speaker 1: All of the people that I helped, even though I
Speaker 1: was helping them, they just started talking.
Speaker 4: Bad about me.
Speaker 2: Because it's weird behavior in my opinion to count somebody
Speaker 2: else's pockets, you know what I'm saying, Like, you have
Speaker 2: a clinic, for example, and you have one hundred kids
Speaker 2: there and you charge each kids fifty dollars. There's somebody
Speaker 2: there saying, well, shit, they got a hundred is here
Speaker 2: that's you know for the other So yeah, you know
Speaker 2: they're making money here, you know, And we've at times,
Speaker 2: I think, have all been guilty of that, Like damn,
Speaker 2: they're walking away with a lot of money, not even
Speaker 2: thinking about what it took to get there, your time,
Speaker 2: you know, or the resources that you have to spend
Speaker 2: to be able to sustain whatever program it is that
Speaker 2: you're doing, whatever business it is, you know. And then
Speaker 2: also like that was my freaking mind idea. I allowed
Speaker 2: to I was allowed to do it because I had
Speaker 2: the expertise to be able to do something like this. Yes,
Speaker 2: so I think when people make the comment about triple
Speaker 2: saying that, people feel like, you know, we all have
Speaker 2: pretty much the opportunity to be able to make money
Speaker 2: in this capacity. Yes, and no, you know, sometimes it
Speaker 2: doesn't come from people passing things down, but you are
Speaker 2: able to build your your wealth or build through opportunities
Speaker 2: because you have that savvy or that know how or
Speaker 2: that brain power to do it.
Speaker 4: But my thing is who decides what's ethical? Right?
Speaker 1: Like for example, when I first started my training business,
Speaker 1: the first thing everyone told me was it'll never work
Speaker 1: because no one will pay for training. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: you don't have to charge people six hundred dollars an
Speaker 1: hour to train.
Speaker 4: You can create. It will never work. To vitill never work.
Speaker 4: It never works.
Speaker 1: So when I started, I was charging one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars a month. And then when I grew to
Speaker 1: having four hundred kids, people started counting my pockets. It
Speaker 1: was like he charging people to train. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: y'all first said it wouldn't work. Then because it worked,
Speaker 1: then it became unethical. And that's my question is is
Speaker 1: who decides what's ethical? Because I'm gonna be honest. Broke
Speaker 1: people can't tell me what's ethical when it comes to
Speaker 1: business because you don't understand business.
Speaker 4: That may sound arrogant, but I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: When I was doing Prototype, most of the money I
Speaker 1: got from Prototype went back to Prototype.
Speaker 4: I even paid for kids to go to college. I
Speaker 4: paid for kids to have sneakers, I paid for kids.
Speaker 2: To go like I did all of the children.
Speaker 4: Kids say, we children, but it was broke.
Speaker 1: People telling me that me charging people the same money
Speaker 1: I used to help them was unethical.
Speaker 4: So I need to know who decides what.
Speaker 6: But I think too, I think somebody pointed out a
Speaker 6: really good definition of capitalism for me for me on
Speaker 6: another podcast, they were saying that capitalism is determined by
Speaker 6: who owns the means of production. So just because you
Speaker 6: have a business where you are giving it a service
Speaker 6: and you're making money from it, that doesn't make you
Speaker 6: like a big bad capitalist. That's unethical a person who
Speaker 6: owns the means of production. So you are training people
Speaker 6: who want to become professional athletes, You're training kids from
Speaker 6: the community so that they can have a skill that
Speaker 6: can get them better opportunities. Now, the person who is
Speaker 6: can be unethical in that ecosystem is the owner of
Speaker 6: the football team, because they have control over what the
Speaker 6: players can do, what they can say, when they can play,
Speaker 6: when they can't, how they can make money. They kind
Speaker 6: of own the means of production if the product is football.
Speaker 2: So ultimately deval having a program like that and people
Speaker 2: parents paying into it, really the parents are just making
Speaker 2: an investment in their child. They're not his program wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been the unethical.
Speaker 4: Party.
Speaker 1: I hear you on that, But I also feel like
Speaker 1: even with the league owners, right, if you create an
Speaker 1: opportunity for young men and women to earn a large
Speaker 1: parts of money, right For example, the NBA people upset
Speaker 1: at NBA owners they make too much money. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you also have all of these players and coaches, training
Speaker 1: staff who make a lot of money too. So they
Speaker 1: created a platform where everybody can make money. The thing
Speaker 1: to me that becomes unethical is when the person who
Speaker 1: controls that utilizes that to stifle and manipulate to gain
Speaker 1: more money while exploiting those who work underneath them. And
Speaker 1: why I say exploitation is because you can give someone
Speaker 1: five million dollars, but if they're worth fifty you exploit
Speaker 1: it exactly. That to me is that to me is
Speaker 1: where you become greedy or where you've done something unethical.
Speaker 4: Like that.
Speaker 1: This is what bothers me about when people try to
Speaker 1: decide what's ethical or not. If you don't understand business
Speaker 1: and you make claims, for example, what's the young la
Speaker 1: any that.
Speaker 4: Sold my op?
Speaker 2: I was just about to say that as well as
Speaker 2: Brown right. They literally came to mind.
Speaker 1: Don't understand how business works. When you start a business,
Speaker 1: the goal of the business is to scale the businesses.
Speaker 1: When you scale the business, that means that other people
Speaker 1: are doing what you can't do by yourself in a
Speaker 1: larger way so that you can make more money. Once
Speaker 1: you scale the business to size, you then want to
Speaker 1: sell it because you know, business has survived a full generation,
Speaker 1: every business has coming gone.
Speaker 4: That's what it is. Most so the goal most some business,
Speaker 4: but most businesses.
Speaker 1: The goal of any business, and I learned this in
Speaker 1: business school, but also speaking to a lot of wealthy people,
Speaker 1: is you start a business to sell it and then
Speaker 1: start another business.
Speaker 4: What bothers me is that all of these people.
Speaker 1: Online saying that the rodriguez Is and Tabitha Brown and
Speaker 1: they're unethical because they sold their idea to someone else
Speaker 1: or because they're trying and.
Speaker 4: I'm like, y'all, y'all don't understand, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's my issue with them.
Speaker 2: So the biggest thing with the whole Mael stories that
Speaker 2: there's a contingent of people who believe that the product
Speaker 2: since being sold to Procter and Gamble, the quality of
Speaker 2: the product has changed, and they're people who are complaining
Speaker 2: that they're here, has been shedding, breaking, hair loss, all
Speaker 2: of those things. They've been using her product for years,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the minute P and
Speaker 2: G got it is like everything is wortered down and
Speaker 2: has changed. So I think she's battling two things here.
Speaker 2: She's battling that component where people you don't want to
Speaker 2: discount their story because some people legitimately feel like this
Speaker 2: was what happened to them and that's their story. But
Speaker 2: then there's also a contingent of people that don't understand,
Speaker 2: like you said, the scaling and selling of a business business,
Speaker 2: you know. And then you think about Tab when it
Speaker 2: comes to Target and her products and the whole DEI situation,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to understand her mindset where she's in
Speaker 2: a conflict. It's like, here, I am in bed with
Speaker 2: Target with this contract that I have through however much timeframe. Yes,
Speaker 2: but then there's people who are like, listen, I'm not
Speaker 2: shopping through Target. I'm not giving them their money. I
Speaker 2: rather go directly to the source and buy from Tabitha Brown.
Speaker 1: Dot what Tab was saying, And people didn't even want
Speaker 1: to listen to the whole message right.
Speaker 2: But then she also talked about how hard it was
Speaker 2: to get black brands into a Target to begin with.
Speaker 2: So she said, if in the event that you do
Speaker 2: still decide to go to Target, be mindful and purposeful
Speaker 2: about purchasing those black owned products, because once they start
Speaker 2: seeing a decline in those products being bought, then they're
Speaker 2: going to pull them off the shelves. So it's a
Speaker 2: really hard position, I think for both Monique and tab
Speaker 2: to be in, because it's like you're damned if you
Speaker 2: do and you're damned if you don't.
Speaker 6: But I think this is why it's important for people.
Speaker 6: If you're starting a business and if you know that
Speaker 6: you have the type of power that a person like
Speaker 6: Tabitha Brown does, it is important that you come up
Speaker 6: with your own set.
Speaker 4: Of ethics and practices for your business so that when you.
Speaker 6: Get a big deal like with a Target, that you
Speaker 6: can tell them what they're gonna do for you and
Speaker 6: not the other way. Brown absolutely, because the thing with
Speaker 6: Tabitha Brown, she always said that Target owns the line.
Speaker 6: It is their line, it has her name on it,
Speaker 6: and she is collaborating with them to curate products.
Speaker 2: And she's using her likeness and her selection promote so
Speaker 2: they have.
Speaker 6: And so because she has the power that she has,
Speaker 6: Target needs her. You know what I'm saying that right,
Speaker 6: if she had you know, the revenue, the capital to
Speaker 6: create her own line and set on her own website,
Speaker 6: she could do that. But Target needed her for the
Speaker 6: demographic they wanted to bring into the store because she
Speaker 6: had the people.
Speaker 4: They have the product. She has the people. And so
Speaker 4: if if.
Speaker 6: I think the only thing she could have done in
Speaker 6: that situation was to say, this is your dedication to
Speaker 6: DEI for the duration of my.
Speaker 4: Contract.
Speaker 6: And she may have taken the money and said great, amazing,
Speaker 6: because most of us would you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: most of us can't go into an office with our
Speaker 6: supervisor and Demanda Race, let alone go into a Target
Speaker 6: office with the CEO and demand DEI.
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's unfair for us to put
Speaker 1: that on tab because she signs a deal and they
Speaker 1: say we'll give y'all for example, I don't know these details,
Speaker 1: so don't quote right say it's four years, we'll give
Speaker 1: you ten million dollars.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be the face of this line. Cool as
Speaker 4: we do that. Plus, this was part of the DEI
Speaker 4: roll out.
Speaker 1: You will sign that contract they decide that they're gonna
Speaker 1: change their mind two years in. Right, you can't then say, fine,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your products with my face off of
Speaker 1: your stores and I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: It direct to consumer. She can't. Legally, she can't.
Speaker 1: If she tried to take those same progress to those
Speaker 1: products and do the same except products somewhere else, she's.
Speaker 4: Gonna get sued. She probably has a not compete That's
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So she can't.
Speaker 1: So what she's doing is pretty much saying like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of stuck here, and if y'all still want
Speaker 1: to support products, and I remember her saying that, she said,
Speaker 1: there are products here who are black owned, who have
Speaker 1: a director consumer, and if you're going to boycott, when
Speaker 1: that person puts a link up that says this is
Speaker 1: my director consumer, support it.
Speaker 4: It's not enough to just boycott. You have to boycott
Speaker 4: and support.
Speaker 1: And this goes back to understanding business that if a
Speaker 1: lot more people weren't emotional understood business, they would know
Speaker 1: how to help.
Speaker 4: Right. For example, I've just read a doctor.
Speaker 1: I've just read a story about the Montgomery bus boycott, right,
Speaker 1: think about this for a second. Do you know the
Speaker 1: Montgomery bus boycott crippled a lot of black bus businesses,
Speaker 1: And this is why black people wanted to ride on
Speaker 1: the same buses as white people. And we couldn't fucked up.
Speaker 1: So we had a point to prove. We wanted to
Speaker 1: prove that our money is more valuable than yours. So
Speaker 1: we boycotted until they let us ride on their buses,
Speaker 1: and then we got back on their buses. What if
Speaker 1: we were to boycotted and just spent all of our
Speaker 1: own money on our own private, black owned bus. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. There are two parts to economics.
Speaker 1: Boycotting is one, but there's also building. And I think
Speaker 1: sometimes we forget the building aspect because we as Black
Speaker 1: Americans have never been taught how to build businesses.
Speaker 4: That's why when we see other people who look like.
Speaker 1: Us build businesses, we say that they're what unethical because
Speaker 1: we've never learned. You know what I'm saying, And that's
Speaker 1: who I think where we are as a community of
Speaker 1: people today.
Speaker 4: The people, the.
Speaker 1: Black people that have learned to make money, the other
Speaker 1: black people who don't know point at them. And say
Speaker 1: are they devil worshipers? They so they sold they're not ethical,
Speaker 1: and it's like, bro, like, that's not how this works.
Speaker 1: If you want to survive here on this planet, learn
Speaker 1: how to use capitalism for your people. That's what I
Speaker 1: ultimately want to do. That's what you want to do.
Speaker 4: Everybody here talks about that. I haven't had a conversation with.
Speaker 1: One person here that didn't say, yeah, because I want
Speaker 1: to do this, and then have another idea about people
Speaker 1: who aren't going to ever see this money. You talk
Speaker 1: about it all the time, about how you plan to
Speaker 1: do things for young black girls who are trying to
Speaker 1: get into entertainment and industry writing.
Speaker 4: Y'all talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about now the responsibility that we feel
Speaker 2: these one percent or the wealthy have to society. What
Speaker 2: kind of responsibility do they have? So again, using Tyler
Speaker 2: Perry as an example, he is a great example because Tyler,
Speaker 2: with the money that he's made, is literally employing all
Speaker 2: of us, thousands of people, thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 1: He has a program at the facility where young men
Speaker 1: who are dealing with recidivism who can't find jobs can
Speaker 1: come there and work, learn how to garden, and learn
Speaker 1: how to mechanic.
Speaker 4: Like he has programs no one ever talks about.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that.
Speaker 4: Well, here's about it.
Speaker 2: The internships that he has for kids that are coming
Speaker 2: out of college or in college, those programs. He's just
Speaker 2: even employing people on a crew or set. When I
Speaker 2: film my show, there's a crew of three hundred plus
Speaker 2: people that majority of them look like us block.
Speaker 4: So what I hear is.
Speaker 9: Instead of telling people what to do with their money,
Speaker 9: just realize what they do, number one. Just like he's
Speaker 9: actually employing people. And one of those trops is if
Speaker 9: you can't, like I'm canna, I can lead a horse
Speaker 9: to water but right, and or you can teach a
Speaker 9: man how to fish, or you give him man fish
Speaker 9: to teach him how to fish.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And I think what Tyler is doing, and what what
Speaker 4: the example is in that?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: That what the ethical point in that is give people jobs.
Speaker 4: Don't give people money, right.
Speaker 9: Like, don't don't give your hood money, don't put up
Speaker 9: buildings in your hood or or rec centers only.
Speaker 4: But it is like opportunity, give people opportunities to make
Speaker 4: their own money. Josh, you know who said that the
Speaker 4: power story for jay Z.
Speaker 2: He did say that.
Speaker 1: Jay said this two separate times. The first thing he
Speaker 1: said was what he got killed was he was just like,
Speaker 1: people keep asking me why I don't give money back
Speaker 1: to Marcie. They don't need money. They need to change
Speaker 1: your mentality, which is a fucking fact though, Like if
Speaker 1: you give those people who don't understand business money, what happens?
Speaker 9: Same thing with reparations come back. They're coming back in
Speaker 9: two weeks broiling.
Speaker 4: We need to change the we've been.
Speaker 6: I would I would push back on that to say,
Speaker 6: is jay Z contributing to changing their mentality with what
Speaker 6: he gives to the hood, which is his music.
Speaker 4: I would say no, I would disagree. We listened to
Speaker 4: jay z music, not really, So how say something like that?
Speaker 4: Did you say.
Speaker 3: You cannot say that in front of Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Now you can't fly?
Speaker 1: You can listen to them lyrics And he's pointing out
Speaker 1: he talked about Dumbo.
Speaker 4: I forgot the lyrics exactly.
Speaker 9: He said he could have bought a building in Dumbo
Speaker 9: for two million dollars. Yeah, years ago, in twice twenty something,
Speaker 9: and what is it now? What is it worth today?
Speaker 9: Like twenty million?
Speaker 1: Said I could have bought it, Dumbo, I had every
Speaker 1: V twelve engine. He's literally telling young men and women like, yo,
Speaker 1: I did all of this bullshit and the thing I
Speaker 1: should have he's remember how to do something something?
Speaker 4: Credit? Yeah, how did that? He really is teaching.
Speaker 1: Also, he has bailed out thousands of people who are
Speaker 1: in jail for petty crimes, who have never seen would
Speaker 1: have never seen the light of day, and he bailed
Speaker 1: them out without even making it a public thing, because
Speaker 1: he also knows if I start telling everybody what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: they're gonna find a way to stop facts.
Speaker 2: To stop you. But then also, you told the line
Speaker 2: between when you're in a position to help people, do
Speaker 2: we make it a public announcement to say, hey, y'all,
Speaker 2: I have the resources to help people, versus not helping people.
Speaker 2: And people say, well, you don't ever help nobody?
Speaker 4: Could you could do that for a PR a PR stunt?
Speaker 4: But what's the point. What's the point is their ultimate
Speaker 4: goals to help people? Why are we talking about?
Speaker 2: And exactly know how? And I helped regularly, and if
Speaker 2: we were to just be like, hey, we help this
Speaker 2: person today, we helped that person today, we this for
Speaker 2: that person, I know I need some help.
Speaker 6: But that's a that's a really good point because people
Speaker 6: always say this too about Beyonce. And something I heard
Speaker 6: recently was like, during the LA fires, Beyonce's foundation be Good,
Speaker 6: did a bunch of giving back and they were people
Speaker 6: were saying, like in Pasadena, they were kind of the
Speaker 6: only foundation that was still there after a few months,
Speaker 6: still helping people get back on their feet.
Speaker 4: And she doesn't, you know, she doesn't say anything.
Speaker 6: She doesn't have to announce it, you know, she just
Speaker 6: does what she does, and she just gets backlash from us.
Speaker 4: Same thing with Tyler Perry, I think too.
Speaker 6: People always find something about Tyler Perry to write that.
Speaker 6: But when he was making stage plays and we was
Speaker 6: buying them on bootleg, everybody was laughing.
Speaker 4: He and Hahn, he told me about it.
Speaker 6: When he got to a certain level, then it was like, oh,
Speaker 6: Tyler Pierry's exploiting and Tyler peers doing this and that,
Speaker 6: And I mean, Tyler Pierry is telling one story. He's
Speaker 6: telling the story that he knows how to tell. He's
Speaker 6: not stopping anybody else from telling another story. He's not
Speaker 6: saying that this is the definitive story of black people,
Speaker 6: and people like watching his shit. I was always he's
Speaker 6: doing something other than he's employing people and giving people
Speaker 6: help money.
Speaker 4: He's employing thousands of people. I just need one, just
Speaker 4: one thing You're we're going to do is shoot her shot.
Speaker 1: But I want to say this too about Tyler Perran,
Speaker 1: not because he's my my boss, but he does tell
Speaker 1: the same story. But SODA's Ken your barrass Blackish, mixedish, grownish,
Speaker 1: SODA's maral Broca kill. I just happened to love all
Speaker 1: her stories because she tells love stories. But it's the
Speaker 1: same story, like love it girlfriends.
Speaker 4: The same story, not just.
Speaker 2: It's like some people feel you feel like they have
Speaker 2: a type cast because they're always playing the same kind
Speaker 2: of character in the same random story.
Speaker 4: That's just what it is.
Speaker 2: And if it ain't for you, it ain't for you.
Speaker 1: We told for the last seven years, we told our
Speaker 1: love story over and over again, different ways, through book,
Speaker 1: through social media, through podcasts, because that was our story.
Speaker 4: Some people may feel the same way, like or they
Speaker 4: keep telling the same story. I even I even her.
Speaker 1: Saw one comment a guy said marriage is not a business,
Speaker 1: and Deval and Kadeen have made a business out of
Speaker 1: their marriage, and I said, this person doesn't understand.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna argue and go back with them.
Speaker 1: But that's the same person that when we first started
Speaker 1: and was broke telling our story, they loved it. I
Speaker 1: know this person because the person's been following us for
Speaker 1: a minute and they loved the fact that we was
Speaker 1: broke and telling this story.
Speaker 4: And they're telling the real The minute we started ascending.
Speaker 1: Then it was marriaging the business, which shows me most
Speaker 1: of the time people just don't want to say you'd
Speaker 1: be better than them.
Speaker 3: You think it's crabbed environmentality.
Speaker 9: I don't think you could look at anybody and say
Speaker 9: something that goes against their agenda without being crabbing a barrel,
Speaker 9: Like there's no there's nothing any like for you. For
Speaker 9: the example that you just gave with the with the
Speaker 9: dude that said when you were broke one thing and
Speaker 9: then when you start making money that completed a different thing.
Speaker 9: That has to be crabbing a baron. That has to
Speaker 9: be a sort of like an introspective of myself and
Speaker 9: it's where I am in relation to where these people.
Speaker 2: Where these people are absolutely, and that is the comment section,
Speaker 2: because I what I can't Understandavalani for example, because I
Speaker 2: can only speak to us. I feel like we've been
Speaker 2: very consistent with who we are and who we've been. Naturally,
Speaker 2: of course, yes, we've grown, We've had avenues and opportunities
Speaker 2: to be able to expand, because the reason we started
Speaker 2: this whole social media thing anyway was to get the
Speaker 2: opportunities to be on camera as actors, and we finally
Speaker 2: reached that point. But we literally have been telling the
Speaker 2: same stories and been the same people and sharing our
Speaker 2: growth and the way we've done things for years. So
Speaker 2: for folks to be like now we don't fuck with
Speaker 2: them no more because they, you know, are doing too
Speaker 2: much or they've changed, it's just like, now we've changed
Speaker 2: for the better. You've been stagnant.
Speaker 1: We have changed, and I agree with you, we have changed.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times people don't want to see
Speaker 1: other people change.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. They like the aspiration of things. But then
Speaker 2: when you get to that point when you truly are aspirational,
Speaker 2: then it becomes a faker.
Speaker 4: It's like not ethical. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I would switch the mindset because the crabs in a
Speaker 6: barrel thing, I understand it, but that it kind of
Speaker 6: assumes that only certain people are the crabs, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. Whereas I think that we have a
Speaker 6: culture of exploitation that we've all been socialized to believe
Speaker 6: and somebody has to be exploited in order for something
Speaker 6: to be good, it can we can say the same
Speaker 6: thing for billionaires, people that hold their money because they
Speaker 6: don't want anybody else to be upperly mobile because there's
Speaker 6: going to be less for them. People just generally have
Speaker 6: a scarcity mindset. I think that there's not enough for
Speaker 6: everybody to have enough, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But this is the thing that bothers me.
Speaker 1: I don't have that mindset I shared with everybody. But
Speaker 1: then you know what the feedback is, he only put
Speaker 1: his friends on.
Speaker 6: We weren't friends before we started with And that's my point.
Speaker 1: People would just say anything to make them feel like
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to do that because I didn't do
Speaker 1: anything that wasn't unethical, When the bottom line is is
Speaker 1: that you're looking for something to be unethical because you
Speaker 1: just haven't accomplished what that person has.
Speaker 4: We went past that. I'm trying to understand, like that's
Speaker 4: and this is what happens.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, is why when we talk
Speaker 1: about being rich and ethical, who decides what's unethical? Because
Speaker 1: part of the unethical thing is like devalanceading only put
Speaker 1: their friends on. And I'm like, when did that become
Speaker 1: an issue? Like the fact that we only put our
Speaker 1: friends on is an issue?
Speaker 9: Now you got way more friends than the three of us. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 9: I would say that so that that statement has it's
Speaker 9: not your tight whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And I'm not on yet, none of us, all of
Speaker 1: us seriously, and I'm not going to make it seem
Speaker 1: like we don't do well. We do well, but I
Speaker 1: have things in my life that I want to accomplish
Speaker 1: that I haven't accomplished. Yeah, we all out here working
Speaker 1: to do that. We're all out here helping as many
Speaker 1: people as we can, but we're not like broadcasting it
Speaker 1: because that becomes performative.
Speaker 4: But when you are gaining, gaining, gaining and you're.
Speaker 1: Not broadcasting how you're helping, people often say that you're unethical.
Speaker 1: Then when you do broadcast, they say you performative. That's
Speaker 1: why when you said you damned do you do if
Speaker 1: you damn if you don't, I've got to a point
Speaker 1: in my life. Now I don't get you, just fuck you,
Speaker 1: just damn, so I might as well go out and
Speaker 1: do it. Listen to how people create narratives. When did
Speaker 1: we do the Essence interviews? Josh arities Okay, it was
Speaker 1: April right when we did the Essence interview when I
Speaker 1: broke down and cried. Did we know that K Show
Speaker 1: was going to be announced?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No clue right, K Show gets it out on I
Speaker 4: do that interview on Thursday.
Speaker 2: It was the Wednesday, April thirtieth.
Speaker 4: I remember we do an interview on a Wednesday. Thursday,
Speaker 4: we went to Upfront.
Speaker 1: I went to Upfront upfronts on Thursday, and my mind,
Speaker 1: you the interview already happened.
Speaker 4: Go up us on Thursday. Asked me, how does Kadeen
Speaker 4: feel about the release? I said, oh, the release is cool.
Speaker 1: They want to wait and find They don't know when
Speaker 1: they'll be able to talk about it because we haven't
Speaker 1: been able to talk about it on our press tour.
Speaker 1: We find out that Saturday that they're going to drop
Speaker 1: the release on Monday. The release comes out Monday. Everybody's
Speaker 1: excited about ka Essence drops our interview on Tuesday. Comments
Speaker 1: on social media. From that interview on Twitter is Deval
Speaker 1: just wanted to on TikTok Dval just wanted to steal
Speaker 1: a shine from k because her show was.
Speaker 2: An announced Right, He's dramatic.
Speaker 1: I was being dramatic, and this is my thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to argue with these people. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go back and forth. Sakari called and was pissed, Like, bro,
Speaker 1: as much as you push Kadeen in the forefront, for
Speaker 1: them to create this narrative that now you're trying to
Speaker 1: take the shine is annoying. But I'm like, Sakari, you
Speaker 1: can't fight that. Like people are going to create their
Speaker 1: own narrative about what they want and and they're gonna
Speaker 1: argue other people. Nah, I've been watching them for years.
Speaker 1: You don't want kay to shine and people arguing with them?
Speaker 2: Like are you gonna laugh at that? Because you know
Speaker 2: how false that is. Since we're in the gym in Brooklyn, Matt, to.
Speaker 4: Be honest, my whole goal.
Speaker 1: Since we've been in the gym, Matt will tell you,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to make my wife this
Speaker 1: is my exact words, Bigger than Kim K, bigger than Beyonce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that That's always been my goal. I always felt
Speaker 4: share that talent.
Speaker 1: So for people to make these assumptions and and create
Speaker 1: this narrative that I just wanted to steal her shine.
Speaker 1: It's proof that people have no clue what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: but will say it with such conviction that other people
Speaker 1: will follow them. And they do the same thing with ethics.
Speaker 1: Beyonce is a devil worshiper Tyler Perry and Oprah worship
Speaker 1: the devil. We've been to how many events with Tyler
Speaker 1: and Oprah with a bunch of people. I've seen these
Speaker 1: people do nothing but pray facts.
Speaker 3: Who they're praying to.
Speaker 1: Thank God, you know what, You're right. I don't know
Speaker 1: they praying to personally, but they pray openly to God.
Speaker 1: They thank God for everything. Every time we meet someone
Speaker 1: who's been at that level and they see that we're
Speaker 1: trying to get there, they always say keep God first.
Speaker 1: But then when you hear people talk about it, they're
Speaker 1: not ethical. Beyonce trying to get your daughters, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: like this is kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: The fear, you know, it is exhausted.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My favorite two words right now be oh, well, you
Speaker 2: just don't care.
Speaker 4: Oh, well you don't care. I don't either.
Speaker 6: It's not worth it to care because it's people's personal
Speaker 6: like mindset to think that there has to be some
Speaker 6: type of exploitation in order for somebody to be doing well.
Speaker 6: A lot of times there is. We there is a
Speaker 6: culture of exploitation absolutely comes to wealth, and that is true.
Speaker 6: And so people are always looking for where's the exploitation
Speaker 6: And a lot of times it's just like crazy shit,
Speaker 6: and they're not looking for where is the like support,
Speaker 6: where are the ethics? You know what I'm saying. They're
Speaker 6: not looking for the good. Usually they're looking for the bad.
Speaker 2: Oh, where's the intersection between ethics and hard work?
Speaker 1: Like some people just there is an intersection between ethics
Speaker 1: and hard work black people?
Speaker 4: And I was that's what I was about to say.
Speaker 1: What she said she said four black people, because this
Speaker 1: is my thing, right especially on this country. In this country,
Speaker 1: we've never had the opportunity for someone to give us
Speaker 1: something and say here, do this exploit these people to
Speaker 1: get more. We've always had to grind and work with people.
Speaker 1: So most the black people I know that if grind
Speaker 1: didn't work with those people, continue to work with those people. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not in our nature to just exploit those because
Speaker 1: we haven't even had the power behind us to exploit anybody.
Speaker 1: That's why to me, it just seems kind of asinine
Speaker 1: for people to be like all.
Speaker 4: Of these people who have gotten, they just try to
Speaker 4: do it. To Michael Jordan, he would his shoes. Michael
Speaker 4: Jordan's said Republicans were sneakers too.
Speaker 1: Guys, do y'all know that Michael Jordan is responsible for
Speaker 1: how many people going to college on his funds? How
Speaker 1: many schools he opened that he never talked about. Lebron
Speaker 1: opened the Eye Promise School, so everyone thought that Lebron
Speaker 1: was the first, but freaking Jalen Rose had an Eye
Speaker 1: Promise School in Detroit seven years before Lebron opened his.
Speaker 1: But no one talks about these things, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And now here it is is on Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan just exploited black people with his sneakers. It's like, guys,
Speaker 1: like that can't be everybody's story. And I just don't
Speaker 1: think that every wealthy person is a person of indignation.
Speaker 1: That just was just like I'm fucking everybody to get here.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And because we had to work for everything. I think
Speaker 2: we're more inclined to bring people along with us that
Speaker 2: looks like us, Like I know several pockets. We're one example,
Speaker 2: but there's several pockets to people just within like the
Speaker 2: film industry, where it's just like yo, I'm going to
Speaker 2: band together with my people so that we can ascend together. Ryan,
Speaker 2: There's so many people who are doing it together because
Speaker 2: we see value in what each person brings to the
Speaker 2: common goal.
Speaker 6: So, you know, and I think more people should have
Speaker 6: the mindset of being involved in a community, whether it's
Speaker 6: your group of friends, whether it's your family, whether it's
Speaker 6: your block. If you are doing something good, if you
Speaker 6: are experiencing success and you can share it with somebody,
Speaker 6: whether it's teaching them how to do the thing you do,
Speaker 6: giving them a little change, if you know they need
Speaker 6: some food, helping somebody take their kids to school one day.
Speaker 6: Community is where you're at. We can't save everybody, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. We can do it one community
Speaker 6: at a time. And if what we are doing as
Speaker 6: a group inspire somebody else to try to do it
Speaker 6: in their community, then at some point, all of our
Speaker 6: communities are going to be doing the same thing at
Speaker 6: the same time, and then we'll all come up together.
Speaker 6: But as long as we try to alienate ourselves from
Speaker 6: our our communities by focusing on what somebody else is
Speaker 6: doing and not being inspired by it, we're never gonna
Speaker 6: get anywhere.
Speaker 4: You hear how you just spoke from your heart about
Speaker 4: everything you can do.
Speaker 1: Say after this whole thing, you go blow up, right,
Speaker 1: you know what they're gonna say about trible Triple used
Speaker 1: the Valikadeen and she was fucking divided the whole time that.
Speaker 2: I was going to say that, you.
Speaker 4: Know, whole time.
Speaker 2: That's what he put it on the offering table.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna put on my rich nigga hat when that happens,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna exploit the audience, and I'm gonna write a book. God,
Speaker 6: I was sucking them both best selling best selling.
Speaker 8: Actually oh well, oh well yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: But before we wrap up, I would say, just piggyback
Speaker 2: off from Triples Triples comment about us building community. I
Speaker 2: want to shout out at t N and Ivy Walk
Speaker 2: Good l A. Every time I see a video from
Speaker 2: Walk Good l A that et t In or Ivy posts,
Speaker 2: it just makes me feel like, damn, if I was
Speaker 2: still in l A, that would be my tribe of people.
Speaker 2: You know, we were only in l A for a
Speaker 2: year and a half and we got robbed of our
Speaker 2: experience because of COVID and before we moved here. But
Speaker 2: I love to see just like the togivenness and the
Speaker 2: unity and like the black joy. You know, it's it's
Speaker 2: families out there. There's men, there's women focused groups like
Speaker 2: so shout out to what good l at and ivy
Speaker 2: more we for doing that. Y'all are doing some great
Speaker 2: work and I feel like there are a great example
Speaker 2: where if we find pockets where we can build community
Speaker 2: and actually not be concerned about what everybody else is doing,
Speaker 2: but actually like working within, you know, maybe we can
Speaker 2: get someone real quick.
Speaker 7: Shout out to y'all. Though I know y'all personally and
Speaker 7: y'all don't talk about half that stuff, not even half
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff. Y'all do a lot for a
Speaker 7: lot of people.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
Speaker 7: I've been somewhere divine and I turned was like a
Speaker 7: good human bro Like people don't think this way.
Speaker 3: It's just not natural.
Speaker 7: And to see y'all do it and consistently do it
Speaker 7: and don't y'all don't need no praise for y'all just
Speaker 7: do it out of the kind of say your heart,
Speaker 7: thanks amazing, appreciate.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Man, appreciate Yeah. When you said you know, I thought you.
Speaker 2: Now, I appreciate that. And I feel like the reason
Speaker 2: we've been blessed in abundance like this is because we
Speaker 2: have a responsibility.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all do.
Speaker 9: Says too much is given, much is required, and I
Speaker 9: think that's the balance of what ethics is like when
Speaker 9: you have stuff that's, yeah, you have a really big responsibility.
Speaker 2: It's true. I look at some of you know, family
Speaker 2: member's friends who are, like, you know, very active in
Speaker 2: the church, big believers in God, and it's just like damn,
Speaker 2: like you've just been struggling your whole life. But then
Speaker 2: we're here, So I feel like we are the answered
Speaker 2: prayers of a lot of people around us. And that's
Speaker 2: how I see it. That's what makes me want to
Speaker 2: continue to be giving and be generous. It's the only
Speaker 2: way I know how. You know, my grandmother, my dad's mom,
Speaker 2: Grandma Jrother, she was my girl. I was her favorite.
Speaker 2: But she was always just kind and I feel like
Speaker 2: when you lead with kindness, that's the only thing that
Speaker 2: can come back to you. And I have four boys
Speaker 2: that I hope the world will be kind to because
Speaker 2: they come from a lineage of people who are giving
Speaker 2: and caretakers.
Speaker 4: In a sense, that's a fact.
Speaker 1: And also like richness isn't always I mean, Bob Marley said,
Speaker 1: this is riches isn't wealthy. It isn't just gold and silver,
Speaker 1: and it's not it's your ability, like we all talked about,
Speaker 1: to actually connect with another person. You can feel rich
Speaker 1: walking around not having nothing because anywhere you go you
Speaker 1: feel welcome.
Speaker 4: You've done good in the world.
Speaker 1: So since you've done good in the world, anywhere you go,
Speaker 1: they come, eat, come sit down, come chill to me.
Speaker 4: That's how rich I want to be. If you have
Speaker 4: love and abundance, you're rich. Yes, yes, yes that a man.
Speaker 1: As a lady we was at the track meet. She
Speaker 1: was like, if you just out here no security by yourself,
Speaker 1: I'm just like someone with my people. We all out
Speaker 1: here watching our kids. Like I want to be able
Speaker 1: to go places and give love and show love and
Speaker 1: people give it back. If I got to come here
Speaker 1: with my glasses on in security, that don't seem rich
Speaker 1: to me. You know what I'm saying, that seems very
Speaker 1: much constrained. You see when you see that, it's like
Speaker 1: you're in a bubble and you don't feel open.
Speaker 4: That to me isn't richest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that the testament to your ethics, as
Speaker 6: I guess leaders of our little team, our little gang
Speaker 6: gang gang.
Speaker 7: Is that we are not gang gangco charges, we are
Speaker 7: not gang.
Speaker 4: Friends.
Speaker 6: I think for me, the testament is that I've never
Speaker 6: asked y'all for anything because I've never had to. Whenever
Speaker 6: y'all move up, you have taken me with you, like
Speaker 6: whenever you grow, I grow. And that's that's That's been
Speaker 6: a huge blessing and it's helped me to grow in
Speaker 6: ways that I have done on my own. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying That your help people tell me all
Speaker 6: the time, I d M de Vow to ask about
Speaker 6: podcasting and he led me to you, like stuff like
Speaker 6: that is huge to me. So I've never had to
Speaker 6: ask you for anything, and that that that is and
Speaker 6: it's and still have grown and that has been amazing.
Speaker 6: And I'm waiting for just the right moments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, I need you.
Speaker 4: If I got it.
Speaker 1: If I got it is y'all because because as much
Speaker 1: as y'all appreciation.
Speaker 4: Bro, that's what Tyler is for us.
Speaker 1: Like when I be struggling with shit business wise or
Speaker 1: be like yo, he'll say it too, like I see
Speaker 1: you building. This is this voice, but I say you're
Speaker 1: building some other things. You know, you're good financially, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean. He's like, this requires that,
Speaker 1: this requires this. Remember the whole tour thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was struggling.
Speaker 1: He school does this is just a quick story. I
Speaker 1: was planning the not the last tour, the tour before that,
Speaker 1: the time, Yes, it was the time I did it.
Speaker 1: So we had a lot of expenses at the top
Speaker 1: of the year. So I called him and I was like, yeah, struggle,
Speaker 1: I don't thk I'm gonna do any more tours. And
Speaker 1: he was just like why, And I was like, because
Speaker 1: I had to put all these expenses up and then
Speaker 1: I had to pay taxes like two weeks later, so
Speaker 1: it was like I had all of this money coming out,
Speaker 1: and he was just like, why would you not do
Speaker 1: all of your tour expenses at the end of the year.
Speaker 4: And I was like, what you mean?
Speaker 1: He was like, you close out your fiscal year with
Speaker 1: the tour expenses so you can get that back on
Speaker 1: your taxes, rather than keeping all of that money paying
Speaker 1: back to his tax taxes back and then paying for
Speaker 1: another tour.
Speaker 4: And I was like, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: then he was just like, understand your film schedule. You
Speaker 4: know you get paid this time.
Speaker 1: You should start paying for stuff at the same time
Speaker 1: you're getting paid till you can write that, So write
Speaker 1: that off beforehand. And I'm like, I didn't. I never
Speaker 1: had a billionaire to explain to me how to get
Speaker 1: through maneuver seven figure tax you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But he was able to give it to me. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, Bro, that's the same way y'all say. I
Speaker 4: am for you. That's how he is. And he's never
Speaker 4: asked me for anything.
Speaker 2: And you can do it not fraudulently. Facts, so we
Speaker 2: can have to get a pardon from oh facts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can avoid you can avoid paying high taxes
Speaker 1: a legal way.
Speaker 4: There have an LLC registered as an escort.
Speaker 1: When your escort, your tax will automatically go down from
Speaker 1: forty nine to to about thirty three percent legally legal.
Speaker 3: Just to be clear, consult your local cps.
Speaker 4: Are smart. Okay, uh huh.
Speaker 6: Just because they rich don't mean they're smart.
Speaker 4: Yep, that part.
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama just said that in her podcast. Remember she
Speaker 1: said when she got to where she went to school, Harvard.
Speaker 1: She said, she got Harvard and looked.
Speaker 4: Around and realized, like, wait a minute, everybody here does
Speaker 4: not long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was, like she said, when she got
Speaker 1: to the Oval office she sat down with some of
Speaker 1: them people, I was like, wait a minute, everybody here
Speaker 1: ain't either. I listened to that man. If there's anybody
Speaker 1: I listened to one podcasts, it's them too. And to
Speaker 1: be honest, I listened to Michelle Moore because I noticed
Speaker 1: that she's a lot more open. She never had to
Speaker 1: hold that office and doesn't have that responsibility, and quite frankly,
Speaker 1: she don't give a fuck no more.
Speaker 4: The last time, people was getting.
Speaker 1: On her about not going to that event, she said,
Speaker 1: and making it seemed like they was getting a divorce
Speaker 1: and she didn't love Barack no more, or they must
Speaker 1: be getting divorced.
Speaker 4: She didn't show up. She was like, I didn't want
Speaker 4: to show up. It was the inauguration for a president.
Speaker 4: I didn't care for.
Speaker 1: I don't have to got other things like family, things
Speaker 1: to do. And I was like, Yo, she really being honest.
Speaker 1: I know, but Rock is always going to have the quorum.
Speaker 1: He's the president. He has to and sometimes he'd be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. She'll be like, he don't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to go.
Speaker 2: I like that. I love that with us do a
Speaker 2: red carpets and stuff in the future, and it's like
Speaker 2: both of us being actors, it's like, I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: gonna be moments.
Speaker 3: Last I want to support.
Speaker 4: Always there.
Speaker 2: I've seen Kadeen don't let the val breeze. She always
Speaker 2: be at these events. I'm like, because that's my fucking husband.
Speaker 2: To support my husband. Okay, Like what do you guys expect?
Speaker 2: All right, well, thanks for the love, y'all. I feel
Speaker 2: like we need a group hugg. Let's do it in
Speaker 2: the after show. Can we get a group hug? Everybody in?
Speaker 2: All right, y'all stick around. Were gonna take a quick
Speaker 2: break and get into this quick listener letter.
Speaker 4: I sh out, we back, so let me handle these
Speaker 4: listening letters today. Wow.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Yell's crew, Josh and Tribble. How
Speaker 1: they're not gonna include Matt and Matt's last.
Speaker 2: This is Ellis crew, So I guess they think Matt
Speaker 2: is Ellis.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Ellis, cru Josh and Treble. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Adopted family members, see what you did.
Speaker 4: That's what's up.
Speaker 1: You are impacting our culture and generation and unprecedented in
Speaker 1: unprecedented ways.
Speaker 4: Keep doing your thing. Now to what I need advice on.
Speaker 1: I'm a forty plus year old and divorced mother of
Speaker 1: four to include a special needs child with autism and
Speaker 1: other medical issues. I started dating again a bound three
Speaker 1: years after my divorce and eventually began a relationship with
Speaker 1: a great guy. Here's my dilemma, or rather here's dilemma.
Speaker 1: He's a single man with three children by three different mothers.
Speaker 1: All of his children reside with their mothers. He has
Speaker 1: voice feeling down because he hasn't been physically present for
Speaker 1: his kids in a way that he would like to
Speaker 1: be so, because I wasn't raised and raised to being
Speaker 1: accomplished to bad parenting choices, I have giving suggestions on
Speaker 1: things he could do to build a solid presence with
Speaker 1: his children. Because though because although nothing can replace physical presence,
Speaker 1: effort in tangible support bets, complaining while not taking action.
Speaker 1: I've even pulled things together and sent them by him,
Speaker 1: sent them by him for his kids because I'm a teacher.
Speaker 1: I've suggested things from mailing them a package a month
Speaker 1: or of undergarments and outfits and something small that his
Speaker 1: kids like that why she's writing like this. I've suggested
Speaker 1: things from mailing them a package a month of undergarments
Speaker 1: and outfits and small things that his kids like that
Speaker 1: their mothers allowed them to have. He does work, though
Speaker 1: limited duty due to having suffered a stroke, so he
Speaker 1: generates income. He has rejected each and every one of
Speaker 1: my suggestions, stating that he's done these things before and
Speaker 1: either it didn't work out, or he said that his
Speaker 1: mother gets things for the kids, so he doesn't need
Speaker 1: to do these things. I'm conflicted because he does things
Speaker 1: for my kids, sometimes at great sacrifice. I don't like
Speaker 1: that do more for my kids than you do for
Speaker 1: your own. I'm grateful, don't get me wrong, But I
Speaker 1: see him, and I know his children's mothers probably feel
Speaker 1: a way. Should I disconnect. I'm not at a deficit
Speaker 1: for emotional support. Although my ex husband's children's father doesn't
Speaker 1: do as he should for our kids. I have a
Speaker 1: solid support system. What do you think help a sister out.
Speaker 1: I'm not fragile, so give it to me straight, signed,
Speaker 1: short story, long sister.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: This is what I think. It seems like she likes projects.
Speaker 4: She picked up a project. He You know, one of
Speaker 4: her children has autism and it needs help.
Speaker 1: He had a stroke. Seems like he needs help. It
Speaker 1: seems like she's one of those people that likes to
Speaker 1: fix people.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You picked up a man that has three children by
Speaker 1: three different baby mothers, but then also divorced the man
Speaker 1: and said that he's not there for your children. Why
Speaker 1: would you get with a man who's exuding the same
Speaker 1: behavior as the man you just left at this point?
Speaker 1: To be honest, he says, you want to keep it straight.
Speaker 1: I feel like you need to use better discernment, stop
Speaker 1: trying to raise people to do what you want, and
Speaker 1: choose someone that's doing and living in alignment with the
Speaker 1: way you want, and you won't have this problem.
Speaker 4: That's what I think.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to watch her because I know
Speaker 1: her intentions are good, but you're never going to be
Speaker 1: able to change him. To be what you want him
Speaker 1: to be, especially at forty something, so go find someone
Speaker 1: who is what you want rather than trying to make
Speaker 1: them be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because as I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's so layered. But yeah, the man who he's showing
Speaker 2: himself to be by way of not caring for his
Speaker 2: children in the way that he should, I think outweighs
Speaker 2: the things that he's doing for your children, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense, Because him being there to show up for
Speaker 2: your children in that capacity that he can't for his
Speaker 2: own children leads me to believe that maybe it's performative
Speaker 2: because he likes you, and maybe he's trying to get
Speaker 2: on your good foot. And he might have did that
Speaker 2: with all three his baby monter, that's a fact. Maybe
Speaker 2: he was trying to get on the good foot with them,
Speaker 2: and then once they figured out who he really is,
Speaker 2: much like how you are figuring out who he really is,
Speaker 2: who he is.
Speaker 4: That's really what it is.
Speaker 6: The only niggas that cry about not spending time with
Speaker 6: their kids or dead beats, because while you sitting here crying,
Speaker 6: you can be yeah or something on a plane. A
Speaker 6: man who wants to be with his kids don't nothing
Speaker 6: to stop him from being with this kid, period.
Speaker 4: Except for the woman.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, I'm not going to say yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sit here and say that because I know three
Speaker 1: people personally who have cried about not seeing their kids,
Speaker 1: and every time they tried, the moms have done everything
Speaker 1: in their power, including lying to their boss, calling the cops,
Speaker 1: filling fake police reports. So I'm not gonna always put
Speaker 1: it on on the men. But when you have three
Speaker 1: women and there's three at some point, now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it ain't just it ain't just them
Speaker 1: at this point. You gotta have some discernment too, my guy.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, so different baby mothers that
Speaker 2: that's that's uphill battle.
Speaker 9: You're having those three different personalities. And it's like with
Speaker 9: his existing girlfriend, my podcastang my bad.
Speaker 4: I know she was like she was like, that's a point.
Speaker 4: I think he's coming uphill battle.
Speaker 9: But I think his bigger issue is that he's knocking
Speaker 9: down solid advice from his girlfriend, like she's she's she
Speaker 9: wants to send things regularly, and he's like, nah, I've
Speaker 9: tried that. That doesn't work, Like where does that put
Speaker 9: you do?
Speaker 4: That's why I feel like he's showing you exactly who
Speaker 4: he is. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And Kay made a good point. He's being performative for her.
Speaker 1: He was performative for each one of those baby mothers early.
Speaker 1: That's how he got them to be their baby mother
Speaker 1: and then once he became himself, it was like, I'm
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 4: So I agree with you. I think that I think
Speaker 4: he is the issue, to be honest, and she had
Speaker 4: a full plate.
Speaker 5: Child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just a lot of individuals, and that makes
Speaker 2: it's to you your four children, him it's three baby
Speaker 2: mothers and then there's three children and then his mom Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just a child.
Speaker 4: Company autism and special needs. And he just had a stroke.
Speaker 4: So he doesn't work full time, right, that requires a lot.
Speaker 4: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: That is a crazy Brady bunch. But this is what
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I'm not trying to knock nobody, right,
Speaker 1: you don't see your kids enough, got a stroke, you
Speaker 1: can't work, and what you're doing with your time is
Speaker 1: trying to get with another woman. That seems to me
Speaker 1: like his priorities are off, Like I feel like he
Speaker 1: should be focusing on his health and creating a big
Speaker 1: better relationship with the kids and the mothers that he
Speaker 1: already has. Trying to start a new one is already
Speaker 1: gonna spread him even more than even if he is
Speaker 1: a genuine guy. So that's why I think that I
Speaker 1: think she should use discernment and protect herself and her
Speaker 1: kids at this point and be like, listen, we might
Speaker 1: like each other, but there are some things I don't like,
Speaker 1: and I don't want it to get even worse or
Speaker 1: put myself in a situation where I'm having another child
Speaker 1: with somebody and become your fourth. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: since I don't like the way this is going, let's
Speaker 1: take some space until you figure some things out.
Speaker 4: That's what I would do.
Speaker 6: It sounds too like he doesn't know the value of
Speaker 6: commit because he's like, oh, I tried doing that and
Speaker 6: it didn't work. And I heard you telling Jackson today,
Speaker 6: like you know, you think Rome was built in a day,
Speaker 6: Like you got to keep sprinting if you want to
Speaker 6: get better.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna sit on day one.
Speaker 6: And so you try to send a gift a time
Speaker 6: or two and your kids are already sawty that.
Speaker 4: You're not there.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to keep trying because you're the father's situation.
Speaker 6: You got to commit to that and three baby mamas
Speaker 6: like yeah, you know, yeah, it sounds like, yeah, he's
Speaker 6: not really putting in the effort that it takes your bill.
Speaker 2: To find a way, Yeah, to find a way to
Speaker 2: connect individually with all three children.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, good luck to you out there. Sis
Speaker 2: continue to write in y'all for our listener. Let us
Speaker 2: we love to hear from you. Email us at the
Speaker 2: Ellis Advice at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: That's t h E E L l I s A
Speaker 4: d V I C E at gmail. Dugger.
Speaker 2: All right, now I'm moment the truth time. What were
Speaker 2: we talking about today? I feel like we were talking
Speaker 2: about a bunch of stuff. Oh we're talking about rich
Speaker 2: at the cold money, fics, business, all the things. Who
Speaker 2: wants to start with the moment of truth? Anyone got one.
Speaker 7: One you can help help the next person in terms
Speaker 7: of richesness, tell us what we spoke about. That's not
Speaker 7: always monetary. So you can help one. Help somebody learn business, learn,
Speaker 7: help them in need whatever they need. Help them with
Speaker 7: the ethics part too. If you think somebody's going down
Speaker 7: the wrong path, talk to them, have a conversation.
Speaker 4: Hmm, I like that.
Speaker 6: Uh, one person having something doesn't mean that you can't
Speaker 6: have it too. Focus on building community so that everybody
Speaker 6: you touch can be as successful as you are.
Speaker 4: I like that, I got one.
Speaker 1: Don't let the amount of money you make define your
Speaker 1: ethics like that, because a lot of people are willing
Speaker 1: to change their ethics depending upon how much money is
Speaker 1: to be made. You can't let the amount of money
Speaker 1: change if you know it's not ethical, don't do it.
Speaker 4: Damn you.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, if you know that the
Speaker 2: goodness is in your heart and you are doing the
Speaker 2: work to build whatever wealth looks like to you, Because
Speaker 2: there's also some people aren't comfortable with just being able
Speaker 2: to make a certain amount of money knowing that their
Speaker 2: bills are paid, where some people aspire to don't be
Speaker 2: giving me the the VALANCOPI here giving me the eyes.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give my thought. But some people's idea
Speaker 2: of wealth is not monetary. Some people's idea of wealth
Speaker 2: is making enough so that they have their house, their food,
Speaker 2: their bills covered, and their content. Some people aspire to
Speaker 2: have more, regardless of what that looks like. Mind your business,
Speaker 2: Mind the business that pays you, and never let the
Speaker 2: money change your heart.
Speaker 4: Be killing me with the light read because she'd be
Speaker 4: going to you know, because people in the business.
Speaker 2: I was ultimately trying to get to mind the business
Speaker 2: that pays you, because then you realize if you do that,
Speaker 2: you might be more successful instead of minding everybody else's business.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just what it is.
Speaker 2: Who wants to round it out? Or is it? I
Speaker 2: think jobs you're the only one left. Bring us home.
Speaker 4: Chill, chill, right.
Speaker 9: I did google all right, I want to know exactly
Speaker 9: what Bob said, and I was gonna quote the he said,
Speaker 9: possessions make you rich. I don't have that type of
Speaker 9: written richness. My richness is life forever. Yes, right, So yeah,
Speaker 9: that's it. Shout out to the period.
Speaker 4: What that means is that.
Speaker 9: True wealth does not come from possessions and materialistic You
Speaker 9: gotta say that, Jamaican accent.
Speaker 4: I can't. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: do that. You're not gonna do that, Jamaica.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: Well, you remember how he possessions make it richosis make
Speaker 1: it rich?
Speaker 10: Oh ja bless no man, need yes, do possessions make
Speaker 10: you Possessions because It's like possessions, those don't make you rich.
Speaker 2: What is this? Forget it? Possessions don't make you rich.
Speaker 4: Something like you got a cousin that crazy my cousin
Speaker 4: like a real Okay, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: What's what's up my nigga?
Speaker 4: That's what's going on?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 4: And he's Jamaica. He said, what what's up? My nigga?
Speaker 4: What's up? Is the most What's what's going on?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 4: That's what I get when I go to Jamaica. What's up? Zach?
Speaker 4: Wh what's up?
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 3: I love Geneva. Pick up your steps up.
Speaker 4: The world. That's so funny. Geneva say this before we
Speaker 4: get to the out.
Speaker 1: Two weeks ago he was having sex. I said, yo, homie, Zach,
Speaker 1: and I'm calling you Geneva, and we had sex.
Speaker 4: Zach is giving across. I loved it. At least it's
Speaker 4: on the same network. I love it.
Speaker 8: Period.
Speaker 2: The way I'm gonna do for it, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: let me pull it out of holding, all right, y'all.
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