WEBVTT - Rich and Ethical

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<v Speaker 1>While I was building our business in Brooklyn, it was

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<v Speaker 1>tough to make money without people assuming that I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing things wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Dead Ass because when you come from the floor once, honey,

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<v Speaker 2>we know how they make their money over there are

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<v Speaker 2>some of them, dudes, and it's not always ethical.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest and straight

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<v Speaker 1>from the heart. Since then, we've gone on to become

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<v Speaker 1>Webby Award winning podcasters in New York Times bestselling authors.

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<v Speaker 2>Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us. It

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<v Speaker 2>was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable, be.

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<v Speaker 4>Wrong, of course, but most apportly be us.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do

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<v Speaker 2>we and through it all, one thing has never changed.

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<v Speaker 2>This because we got a lot to talk about story times.

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<v Speaker 4>So Dolo's gonna laugh at this.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when yes this seas I turned thirty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen s eleven years ago, for my thirtieth birthday, I

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<v Speaker 1>started to finally say, you know, I'm gonna do something

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<v Speaker 1>for myself and I leased at Audi A seven. At

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, Dolo had just bought his seven series

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<v Speaker 1>BMW and we were running the program. Remember we started

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<v Speaker 1>prototype in twenty ten started to gain popularity around twenty

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<v Speaker 1>even twenty twelve. We were at our peak from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and thirteen through like twenty and eighteen. Right what a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people didn't know during that time was I

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<v Speaker 1>was also doing commercials. I had booked three national commercials.

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing color commentary. I was also assistant teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of money coming in, but I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that people around me, who were in the training

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<v Speaker 1>area thought that I was making all of my money

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<v Speaker 1>off of the kids I was training. So they started

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<v Speaker 1>to speak negatively about me and Dolo and Brian, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that we were scamming, saying that we were staying from

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<v Speaker 1>people who wasn't helping them. And it made me feel like, dang,

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<v Speaker 1>the minute you start to better yourself, no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>it's for, because everything we did for the for the

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<v Speaker 1>company at Prototype was for the community. Like, if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being honest now, I didn't make a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>on Prototype.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to make it purposefully affordable for our local folks.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though I was able to do that and

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<v Speaker 1>able to train a bunch of kids and not make

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money off of those kids or their parents,

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<v Speaker 1>it was still put on us by the community that

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<v Speaker 1>we only did it to make money from those people,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all we were doing was making money.

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<v Speaker 4>And I ain't gonna lie to you.

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<v Speaker 1>It pissed me the fuck off and it made it

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<v Speaker 1>that much easier for me to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>In that return. All right, karaoke time. What you got

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<v Speaker 2>for us today, baby? Anything I've heard you? I heard

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<v Speaker 2>you over there practice and warming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Bana banam damp damp damp, damn damn dannam damn damn.

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<v Speaker 4>Money money money, money, money, money, money, money.

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<v Speaker 2>Maney, that's all we got. I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>goes past that. Do you know what it is? That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I say. You know what my favorite money song was.

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<v Speaker 2>This takes me back to when I used to work

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<v Speaker 2>in Mac Cosmetics. Shout out to Mac Cosmetics.

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<v Speaker 4>We had the same I know what it is because

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<v Speaker 4>never I came to pick you up.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it was one of those things. It was my

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<v Speaker 2>theme song coming in after a while. Because I was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the highest earners in each store that I

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<v Speaker 2>was in.

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<v Speaker 4>My a us was always high at the same time.

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<v Speaker 5>Ready one two, I need dollars, dollars is what I need.

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<v Speaker 5>Every time I came to pick ship with me money

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<v Speaker 5>with something like that used to go. But it was

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<v Speaker 5>such a good it was I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 4>I need to look.

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<v Speaker 2>That needs to go into my permanent playlist in rotation.

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<v Speaker 2>All y'all, we're gonna take a quick break and we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get back with op or no stick around.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, we back, all right, get.

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<v Speaker 2>Your battle close by. Hey, hey, all right, now talk

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<v Speaker 2>to us, Talk to us, honey buns, what we got today?

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<v Speaker 4>All right? Right in my face here, man, in my face.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Just another term of endearment.

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<v Speaker 4>When you have a fatty.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, now, you say what I'm saying. From one

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<v Speaker 2>fatty to the next.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow the fatty and me sees the fatty in you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that for us. Y.

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<v Speaker 4>Look you see all the guys can't say nothing, right nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope y'all enjoy y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Innocent?

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 6>So the Diddy trial has been in the news for

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<v Speaker 6>the last few weeks, and lots of people are following it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not really one of those people, but I have

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<v Speaker 6>been seeing a lot of commentary on social media about it,

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<v Speaker 6>which led me to wonder, is the Diddy trial the

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<v Speaker 6>new or the current OJ trial? Back in I think

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen ninety five, the live broadcast of the OJ verdict

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<v Speaker 6>had an estimated one hundred and fifty million viewers, and

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<v Speaker 6>it surpassed the.

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<v Speaker 4>Super Bowl, which is usually the biggest viewed event on TV.

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<v Speaker 4>Even the live chase, the Bronco Chase. I remember that

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<v Speaker 4>last time in the final nineteen four Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 6>So an estimated ninety five million people watched that chase

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<v Speaker 6>on live on TV.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I'm wondering.

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<v Speaker 6>And the implications I guess at the time and for

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<v Speaker 6>OJ Simpson in the future were pretty very heavily inspired

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<v Speaker 6>by people's ability to watch it live.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was one of the.

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<v Speaker 6>First or the first case to have it. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>And so I'm wondering. Do you think the Diddy trial

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<v Speaker 6>is the new OJ trial?

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<v Speaker 1>No about to say about this. I got an opt

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<v Speaker 1>to my opic is no, I want to hear yours first.

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<v Speaker 3>At all.

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<v Speaker 7>It's nowhere closed. Everybody knows what was happening with OJ

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<v Speaker 7>in some form of fashion and then the spin off

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<v Speaker 7>with the series and everything. Yeah, it'll go into death more.

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<v Speaker 7>I think there's potential for the Diddy thing to have

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<v Speaker 7>a series. I don't, but no, I think there is

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<v Speaker 7>grounds there, but it won't be about the case itself.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I think, and this is what people

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<v Speaker 1>are forgetting. We got to remember what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>during that time. Right before OJ went on trial.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a huge disagreement between.

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<v Speaker 1>Black folks and white folks because of Rodney King, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>in La So tensions were really high and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a who was gonna win?

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<v Speaker 4>I think in this Diddy case, everybody loses.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no winner, you know what I'm saying, Like, no

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<v Speaker 1>one's gonna watch the verdict, being like, yeah, during the

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<v Speaker 1>old j trial, when that verdict came out, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>me and my friends and all of us no clue.

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<v Speaker 4>It was nineteen ninety four. I was ten years old.

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<v Speaker 4>We ran outside.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah we won.

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<v Speaker 2>We won.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like it felt like it was bigger than OJ.

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<v Speaker 4>We were fighting. It was you see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>We were fighting against an injustice against our people.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the very first form of I'm rooting for

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<v Speaker 2>everybody black.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, evena even if you did it, even we

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<v Speaker 4>were fighting for something.

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<v Speaker 9>This is coming off with Rodney and King too, right,

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<v Speaker 9>So this is like police violence and police brutality, and

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<v Speaker 9>we also we lost that one, and that was huge

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<v Speaker 9>because we actually saw a video of him getting beat

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<v Speaker 9>for the very first time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and he's still uh, he still lost his case.

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<v Speaker 9>When now OJ comes up, you got a black man

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<v Speaker 9>being accused of killing the white women, of course everybody's

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<v Speaker 9>gonna say we want our justice, yes OJ.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I do get that.

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<v Speaker 9>My argument prior to even on the show was that

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<v Speaker 9>it is as big as it but Matt's case, Matt's

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<v Speaker 9>op sort of convinced me that it's not necessarily as big.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think part of this is I think for me,

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<v Speaker 9>like I didn't know who OJ was at that time.

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<v Speaker 9>Like I'm a kid, I was eleven, right, I didn't

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<v Speaker 9>know who OJ was. I think everybody knows who did

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<v Speaker 9>he is and some some sort of respect, like you,

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<v Speaker 9>you kind of have an idea who did he is?

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<v Speaker 9>And not only that, like we mentioned that it was

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<v Speaker 9>like one hundred and fifty people knew who I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Gonna let her finish. I was gonna let you finished first.

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<v Speaker 4>But I didn't know who did he was? I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>who OJ. I don't think very cad who OJ is

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<v Speaker 4>way big.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't have to care who he was. They knew

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<v Speaker 3>who OJ was you your parents know who OJ was

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<v Speaker 3>being Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 4>People like, no, not really, I don't think I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think so. I think OJ was an American hero.

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<v Speaker 1>But you gotta think the Caribbean population in America is

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<v Speaker 1>way smaller than in nineteen ninety four. They are more

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<v Speaker 1>just American black and American white woman OJ because he

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<v Speaker 1>won the Heisman. But also remember the thing, I'm not black,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm OJ. He was one of the high paid color

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<v Speaker 1>commentators after he retired.

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<v Speaker 4>From the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>He was personality, yes, like it would be like if

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brady was up for murder.

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<v Speaker 1>OJ was that big of a star that he felt

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<v Speaker 1>he transcended blackness because white people just loved he was

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<v Speaker 1>a football player.

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<v Speaker 4>He was he was proper. He's proper.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a quote unquote a hood star. He went

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<v Speaker 1>to USC which is the biggest football school. And during

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<v Speaker 1>this time, people have to understand this. I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>was Game five of the NBA Finals. We're watching one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest sports. This is the Knicks versus the

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<v Speaker 1>Houston Rockets. This is the first year without Michael Jordan.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's watching the finals. He was gonna win and they

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<v Speaker 1>interrupt the finals to show us the chase of the

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<v Speaker 1>White Bronz. So they captivated people who didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on with OJ when they put that

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<v Speaker 1>in the finals, and that's what made people pay attention.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, imagine were watching the finals right now and

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<v Speaker 1>they just throw just in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, what is this? Yeah, I think you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I would agree with that. I think you were.

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<v Speaker 9>You had to be captivated because how how that case

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<v Speaker 9>was introduced to them, right, Like it's almost like Diddy's

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<v Speaker 9>Diddy for example, if Diddy was to see the video

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<v Speaker 9>of him beating Cassidy Cassie live like it just happens.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, at that moment, you're, of course you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>be now invested.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, yes, right, So that that does make sense, Like

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<v Speaker 9>you you were caltivated by that video is a long

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<v Speaker 9>chase in the middle of fire like primetime TV. Right,

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<v Speaker 9>So it was all so yeah, y'all did convince me?

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<v Speaker 9>I changed my It's not as big as Diddy's case

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<v Speaker 9>is not as as OJ.

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<v Speaker 7>But even in addition to that, the case is it

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<v Speaker 7>was a murder case versus half the people in this case,

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<v Speaker 7>people public opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>You could look at this case, and I don't really care.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, that's a good point people, murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Rico is, but murder that's I've never thought about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people had to look up the

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<v Speaker 2>whole Rico thing, and then there was the bait. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a debate as to whether or not this was

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<v Speaker 2>qualifications for a Rico case and sex traffic because people

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<v Speaker 2>think that he'll he'll be acquitted by I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's the biggest thing that's driving conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>No one here is an attorney, but I have spoken

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of attorneys. I'm not an attorney, and.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what they say.

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<v Speaker 1>A Rico case is proving that you used your business

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<v Speaker 1>empire to not only commit crimes, but hide those crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm not an expert, right, but think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>What they're trying to prove is that Diddy, being a billionaire,

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<v Speaker 1>use all of the people around him that were for

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<v Speaker 1>such traffic.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. And this is another thing, is that well Cassie

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<v Speaker 4>admitted that she wanted it. That doesn't matter, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Hiring sex workers is illegal, So if you hired sex

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<v Speaker 1>workers and had your assistance pay them, flew them across

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<v Speaker 1>state lines, had it covered up because you were bribing

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<v Speaker 1>people at a hotel, all the things that happened. That

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<v Speaker 1>means you use your business enterprise to cover up criminal activity.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they're trying to put on Diddy. Whether Cassie

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<v Speaker 1>agreed or not, or was it part of the free

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<v Speaker 1>court is not that's shouldn't even be talked about.

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<v Speaker 4>It's what resources did. Did he use to do all

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<v Speaker 4>of this? Baby oil? And he used baby oil?

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<v Speaker 9>And this is not a joke, man, People, people's families

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<v Speaker 9>are being hurt and y'all laughing resources.

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<v Speaker 4>God, I'm not gonna lie whenever k comes up the shower. Now, No,

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<v Speaker 4>did he but to bring it back home. The fact

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<v Speaker 4>that people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what a rico is and don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>even look at it composed to saying did he kill

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<v Speaker 1>her is a bigger difference. Plus, I honestly feel like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody agrees that did he did?

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<v Speaker 4>He is the villain. Like there's nobody saying, I hope

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<v Speaker 4>did he get His defense is saying he's a villain, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Even the defense is saying like, oh, he did this

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<v Speaker 4>and it was OJ. It was OJ would never do this.

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<v Speaker 4>Looking so I'm saying I think it's just different, and.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a consent portion of it, like with the whole trial,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas you don't get consent, you're just no consent to

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<v Speaker 2>be murdered.

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<v Speaker 4>No, you don't need no consent, right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sounds good what you got for number two truths?

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<v Speaker 6>The president, the current president, is planning to pardon reality

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<v Speaker 6>TV stars Todd and Julie Christly, your gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Husband didn't no best? You said the gay Apparently they

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<v Speaker 2>did no banks.

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<v Speaker 6>Because twenty twenty two they were convicted of tax evasion

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<v Speaker 6>and bank fraud. So they went around to a bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of like small banks around Atlanta, community banks and they

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<v Speaker 6>defrauded them out of three hundred or thirty six million

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<v Speaker 6>dollars in personal loans, and then they also didn't pay

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<v Speaker 6>their taxes, and Todd was sentenced to they were convicted.

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<v Speaker 6>Todd was sentenced to twelve years in prison. His wife,

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<v Speaker 6>Julie was sentenced to seven years in prison. And since then, Todd,

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<v Speaker 6>his mother has been lobbying and meeting with the president.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there was a story that she paid a

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<v Speaker 6>million dollars to have lunch with the president. And now

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<v Speaker 6>the president is saying that he's going to pardon them

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<v Speaker 6>for their financial crimes. And this news comes after the

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<v Speaker 6>Trump administration has promised to start garnishing wages for millions

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<v Speaker 6>of Americans who are in student loan debts and ending

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<v Speaker 6>income based repayment plans for those people who cannot afford

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<v Speaker 6>those regular payments.

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<v Speaker 4>So op or no opp? Got an op?

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<v Speaker 1>This is what they do like, this is not new

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<v Speaker 1>to me. This is what what Trump does. Like he

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<v Speaker 1>finds his friends, He finds his people. You got money,

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<v Speaker 1>I got money. You're willing to pay for whatever I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about to give you. Okay, you pay me now? Now

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<v Speaker 1>you own me, so I'll do something for you. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called qui pro quote. That's that's politics.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is that's exactly I have.

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<v Speaker 1>No this is you know what I'm saying. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing for me to look at other than Okay, he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing something first friend, he's helping out. He's gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>something in return later on, and we're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Then, how don't do crime?

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<v Speaker 3>Right about to see the same thing happened in New York?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely absolutely, qui for sure, that's why I know they

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<v Speaker 4>doing what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't do crime, right You don't you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We hustling back with y'all. Clearly this is out of

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<v Speaker 2>my tax racket conversation. I just because it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>They learned a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>How did they do?

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to I don't know how they went

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<v Speaker 2>about doing that, Like, we're like.

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<v Speaker 4>How do how do you thirty six million?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you mastermind the heists like this? You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, Like, you use so much brain power

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<v Speaker 2>to be fraudulent, how about you use the brain power

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<v Speaker 2>to do something that actually makes you worthy of making

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of money. I'll never understand it.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel you thirty six million in personal loans. Here's

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<v Speaker 4>a crazy part.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll pardon them and then they'll still people sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>jail for petty crimes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for Dina Dine bagg of Weed doing twenty years bro.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sad. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And their I guess their defense was that they were

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<v Speaker 6>unfairly targeted because of their conservative beliefs. That's what they've

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<v Speaker 6>been trying to say happened.

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<v Speaker 4>It was this is what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>They were waving the flag to all the conservatives to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come save us. Yes, it's no different than Jim or said,

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<v Speaker 1>God rest is soul. He passed away. But remember when

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<v Speaker 1>he was arrested for a DWI or duy and he

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<v Speaker 1>said that he was targeted because he's a rich white billionaire. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you targeted because you was driving crazy and you're freaking

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<v Speaker 1>swerving and you was driving drunk. But that was his defense,

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm a rich white billionaire. And what it did

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<v Speaker 1>was got the ears of those rich white billionaires and

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to do their things, say hey, they

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<v Speaker 1>got one of us, let's get them out. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I would say to that is that we should

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, I think you're sending the message that

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<v Speaker 6>the things that the government says are illegal are not

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<v Speaker 6>really illegal. Because the way that they defrauded the banks

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<v Speaker 6>out of money that they took out these personal loans

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<v Speaker 6>and then they took.

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<v Speaker 4>Out more loans to then pay the old ones, and they.

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<v Speaker 6>Use the personal loans to fund their like luxurious lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 6>eight cars and travel and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact is that they just they were getting approved,

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<v Speaker 2>where we have our regular average folks who just try

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<v Speaker 2>to get approved for a home or a loan just

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<v Speaker 2>to list and.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't get approved in your average like.

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<v Speaker 2>I six three sixty four a house.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't give you three sixty I gotta give it

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<v Speaker 3>to my man's over there.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, that's literally what it is. I can't Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>Private jets.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't. I gotta give Chris forty million.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta pay for gas on the jets. You're not

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<v Speaker 3>going on vacation. He paying for the gas.

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<v Speaker 4>That's crazy, It's so funny. That's the American way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't surprise me. It just not surprised me at all.

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<v Speaker 4>It absolutely is.

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<v Speaker 1>But and I know because we talked about this on

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<v Speaker 1>the last show about segue, right, so we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be very deliberate.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the end of opping.

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<v Speaker 1>Noah, So a young lady, whoever is the one I'm

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<v Speaker 1>speak to, A young lady who said, you didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>when you were sure?

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<v Speaker 4>We're doing this for you, all right, but this is

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<v Speaker 4>actually welcome. Perfect though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, about understanding business and how so many of the

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<v Speaker 1>people around us don't understand business, so when you start

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<v Speaker 1>to excel at business, they automatically look at you as

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<v Speaker 1>if you're doing something that's not ethical.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's just not the case.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think to segue into the conversation I think

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<v Speaker 6>that when we talk about money and ethics, this is

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<v Speaker 6>a really great time to be talking about it, because

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<v Speaker 6>it seems as though rich people are only doing what's

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<v Speaker 6>gonna make rich people richer. They're not concerned with forwarding society.

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<v Speaker 6>They're not concerned with keeping people educated or taken care of.

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<v Speaker 6>They're not concerned with anything except making more money for

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<v Speaker 6>the people who already have loads and loads of fucking money.

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<v Speaker 6>And I really don't think that people know how much

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<v Speaker 6>a billion dollars actually is and the fact that we

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<v Speaker 6>live in a false meritocracy. What they're doing is making

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<v Speaker 6>people believe that because these people have money, it makes

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<v Speaker 6>them better than us, you know what I'm saying, Like

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<v Speaker 6>we could all have money if we were just as good,

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<v Speaker 6>if we were just as smart, if we were just

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<v Speaker 6>as ambitious, When that is not the case. Most billionaires

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<v Speaker 6>got their money from their parents or from you know,

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<v Speaker 6>their grandparents, great grandparents. Most billionaires did not work for

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<v Speaker 6>what they have, and most billionaires they learned how to

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<v Speaker 6>build money upon money upon money as they already fucking

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<v Speaker 6>And are.

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<v Speaker 2>We think white millionaires because I can think of two

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<v Speaker 2>that come to mind that built their shit from nothing

0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:40.639
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Ferry is Rihanna billionaire satisfy? Right, Yeah, so a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people are building their billionaire status, whereas to

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<v Speaker 2>your point, Triple, a lot of the billionaires that we

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<v Speaker 2>know of that have the legacy passed down are typically white.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, just based on the history of this country,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to find too many black billionaires that

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<v Speaker 1>came from it, just because of the way our ancestors

0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:03.399
<v Speaker 1>were brought here. The way you build equity and finances

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest in this country is through land, and they

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<v Speaker 1>purposely found ways to not give us land because they

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<v Speaker 1>knew that that's what it was. With that being said, though,

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<v Speaker 1>like Tristan, like Tripple said, there have been a few

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<v Speaker 1>of us who've been able to accrue a huge amount

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<v Speaker 1>of wealth. Right, But let's be honest. What happens to

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<v Speaker 1>those people we as a community often demonize, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll use the example, you don't even got to be

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire the minute I started helping kids and I

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<v Speaker 1>was charging kids and then I actually did something for myself.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the people that I helped, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>was helping them, they just started talking.

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<v Speaker 4>Bad about me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's weird behavior in my opinion to count somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else's pockets, you know what I'm saying, Like, you have

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<v Speaker 2>a clinic, for example, and you have one hundred kids

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<v Speaker 2>there and you charge each kids fifty dollars. There's somebody

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<v Speaker 2>there saying, well, shit, they got a hundred is here

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<v Speaker 2>that's you know for the other So yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 2>they're making money here, you know, And we've at times,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, have all been guilty of that, Like damn,

0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:10.640
<v Speaker 2>they're walking away with a lot of money, not even

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about what it took to get there, your time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, or the resources that you have to spend

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to sustain whatever program it is that

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing, whatever business it is, you know. And then

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<v Speaker 2>also like that was my freaking mind idea. I allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to I was allowed to do it because I had

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<v Speaker 2>the expertise to be able to do something like this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think when people make the comment about triple

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<v Speaker 2>saying that, people feel like, you know, we all have

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much the opportunity to be able to make money

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<v Speaker 2>in this capacity. Yes, and no, you know, sometimes it

0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't come from people passing things down, but you are

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<v Speaker 2>able to build your your wealth or build through opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>because you have that savvy or that know how or

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<v Speaker 2>that brain power to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>But my thing is who decides what's ethical? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like for example, when I first started my training business,

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing everyone told me was it'll never work

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<v Speaker 1>because no one will pay for training. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to charge people six hundred dollars an

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<v Speaker 1>hour to train.

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<v Speaker 4>You can create. It will never work. To vitill never work.

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<v Speaker 4>It never works.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I started, I was charging one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars a month. And then when I grew to

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<v Speaker 1>having four hundred kids, people started counting my pockets. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like he charging people to train. Wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all first said it wouldn't work. Then because it worked,

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<v Speaker 1>then it became unethical. And that's my question is is

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<v Speaker 1>who decides what's ethical? Because I'm gonna be honest. Broke

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<v Speaker 1>people can't tell me what's ethical when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>business because you don't understand business.

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<v Speaker 4>That may sound arrogant, but I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was doing Prototype, most of the money I

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<v Speaker 1>got from Prototype went back to Prototype.

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<v Speaker 4>I even paid for kids to go to college. I

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<v Speaker 4>paid for kids to have sneakers, I paid for kids.

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<v Speaker 2>To go like I did all of the children.

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<v Speaker 4>Kids say, we children, but it was broke.

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<v Speaker 1>People telling me that me charging people the same money

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<v Speaker 1>I used to help them was unethical.

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<v Speaker 4>So I need to know who decides what.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think too, I think somebody pointed out a

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<v Speaker 6>really good definition of capitalism for me for me on

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<v Speaker 6>another podcast, they were saying that capitalism is determined by

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<v Speaker 6>who owns the means of production. So just because you

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<v Speaker 6>have a business where you are giving it a service

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<v Speaker 6>and you're making money from it, that doesn't make you

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<v Speaker 6>like a big bad capitalist. That's unethical a person who

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<v Speaker 6>owns the means of production. So you are training people

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<v Speaker 6>who want to become professional athletes, You're training kids from

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<v Speaker 6>the community so that they can have a skill that

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:33.399
<v Speaker 6>can get them better opportunities. Now, the person who is

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<v Speaker 6>can be unethical in that ecosystem is the owner of

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 6>the football team, because they have control over what the

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.400
<v Speaker 6>players can do, what they can say, when they can play,

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<v Speaker 6>when they can't, how they can make money. They kind

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 6>of own the means of production if the product is football.

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<v Speaker 2>So ultimately deval having a program like that and people

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<v Speaker 2>parents paying into it, really the parents are just making

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.359
<v Speaker 2>an investment in their child. They're not his program wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have been the unethical.

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<v Speaker 4>Party.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you on that, But I also feel like

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<v Speaker 1>even with the league owners, right, if you create an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for young men and women to earn a large

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<v Speaker 1>parts of money, right For example, the NBA people upset

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>at NBA owners they make too much money. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you also have all of these players and coaches, training

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<v Speaker 1>staff who make a lot of money too. So they

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>created a platform where everybody can make money. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>to me that becomes unethical is when the person who

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<v Speaker 1>controls that utilizes that to stifle and manipulate to gain

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<v Speaker 1>more money while exploiting those who work underneath them. And

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<v Speaker 1>why I say exploitation is because you can give someone

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollars, but if they're worth fifty you exploit

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<v Speaker 1>it exactly. That to me is that to me is

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<v Speaker 1>where you become greedy or where you've done something unethical.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what bothers me about when people try to

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<v Speaker 1>decide what's ethical or not. If you don't understand business

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<v Speaker 1>and you make claims, for example, what's the young la

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<v Speaker 1>any that.

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<v Speaker 4>Sold my op?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just about to say that as well as

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<v Speaker 2>Brown right. They literally came to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't understand how business works. When you start a business,

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of the business is to scale the businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>When you scale the business, that means that other people

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 1>are doing what you can't do by yourself in a

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<v Speaker 1>larger way so that you can make more money. Once

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you scale the business to size, you then want to

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<v Speaker 1>sell it because you know, business has survived a full generation,

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>every business has coming gone.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what it is. Most so the goal most some business,

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 4>but most businesses.

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>The goal of any business, and I learned this in

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 1>business school, but also speaking to a lot of wealthy people,

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<v Speaker 1>is you start a business to sell it and then

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<v Speaker 1>start another business.

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<v Speaker 4>What bothers me is that all of these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Online saying that the rodriguez Is and Tabitha Brown and

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<v Speaker 1>they're unethical because they sold their idea to someone else

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<v Speaker 1>or because they're trying and.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, y'all, y'all don't understand, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my issue with them.

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<v Speaker 2>So the biggest thing with the whole Mael stories that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a contingent of people who believe that the product

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<v Speaker 2>since being sold to Procter and Gamble, the quality of

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 2>the product has changed, and they're people who are complaining

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.400
<v Speaker 2>that they're here, has been shedding, breaking, hair loss, all

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 2>of those things. They've been using her product for years,

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, the minute P and

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>G got it is like everything is wortered down and

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.439
<v Speaker 2>has changed. So I think she's battling two things here.

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<v Speaker 2>She's battling that component where people you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>discount their story because some people legitimately feel like this

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>was what happened to them and that's their story. But

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>then there's also a contingent of people that don't understand,

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>like you said, the scaling and selling of a business business,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And then you think about Tab when it

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 2>comes to Target and her products and the whole DEI situation,

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to understand her mindset where she's in

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 2>a conflict. It's like, here, I am in bed with

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<v Speaker 2>Target with this contract that I have through however much timeframe. Yes,

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 2>but then there's people who are like, listen, I'm not

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>shopping through Target. I'm not giving them their money. I

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 2>rather go directly to the source and buy from Tabitha Brown.

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Dot what Tab was saying, And people didn't even want

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to listen to the whole message right.

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>But then she also talked about how hard it was

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>to get black brands into a Target to begin with.

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>So she said, if in the event that you do

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<v Speaker 2>still decide to go to Target, be mindful and purposeful

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 2>about purchasing those black owned products, because once they start

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>seeing a decline in those products being bought, then they're

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 2>going to pull them off the shelves. So it's a

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 2>really hard position, I think for both Monique and tab

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to be in, because it's like you're damned if you

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<v Speaker 2>do and you're damned if you don't.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think this is why it's important for people.

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 6>If you're starting a business and if you know that

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<v Speaker 6>you have the type of power that a person like

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 6>Tabitha Brown does, it is important that you come up

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 6>with your own set.

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Of ethics and practices for your business so that when you.

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 6>Get a big deal like with a Target, that you

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 6>can tell them what they're gonna do for you and

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 6>not the other way. Brown absolutely, because the thing with

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 6>Tabitha Brown, she always said that Target owns the line.

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 6>It is their line, it has her name on it,

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 6>and she is collaborating with them to curate products.

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 2>And she's using her likeness and her selection promote so

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 2>they have.

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 6>And so because she has the power that she has,

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 6>Target needs her. You know what I'm saying that right,

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 6>if she had you know, the revenue, the capital to

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 6>create her own line and set on her own website,

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 6>she could do that. But Target needed her for the

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 6>demographic they wanted to bring into the store because she

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 6>had the people.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 4>They have the product. She has the people. And so

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 4>if if.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the only thing she could have done in

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 6>that situation was to say, this is your dedication to

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 6>DEI for the duration of my.

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Contract.

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 6>And she may have taken the money and said great, amazing,

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 6>because most of us would you know what I'm saying,

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:52.959
<v Speaker 6>most of us can't go into an office with our

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 6>supervisor and Demanda Race, let alone go into a Target

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 6>office with the CEO and demand DEI.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I think it's unfair for us to put

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that on tab because she signs a deal and they

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>say we'll give y'all for example, I don't know these details,

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>so don't quote right say it's four years, we'll give

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you ten million dollars.

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna be the face of this line. Cool as

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 4>we do that. Plus, this was part of the DEI

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 4>roll out.

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>You will sign that contract they decide that they're gonna

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>change their mind two years in. Right, you can't then say, fine,

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take your products with my face off of

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>your stores and I'm gonna do.

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 4>It direct to consumer. She can't. Legally, she can't.

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>If she tried to take those same progress to those

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>products and do the same except products somewhere else, she's.

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 4>Gonna get sued. She probably has a not compete That's

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. So she can't.

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>So what she's doing is pretty much saying like, look,

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of stuck here, and if y'all still want

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to support products, and I remember her saying that, she said,

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>there are products here who are black owned, who have

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>a director consumer, and if you're going to boycott, when

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that person puts a link up that says this is

0:29:58.000 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>my director consumer, support it.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 4>It's not enough to just boycott. You have to boycott

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 4>and support.

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>And this goes back to understanding business that if a

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>lot more people weren't emotional understood business, they would know

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 1>how to help.

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 4>Right. For example, I've just read a doctor.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I've just read a story about the Montgomery bus boycott, right,

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>think about this for a second. Do you know the

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Montgomery bus boycott crippled a lot of black bus businesses,

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>And this is why black people wanted to ride on

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the same buses as white people. And we couldn't fucked up.

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>So we had a point to prove. We wanted to

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>prove that our money is more valuable than yours. So

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>we boycotted until they let us ride on their buses,

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>and then we got back on their buses. What if

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>we were to boycotted and just spent all of our

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>own money on our own private, black owned bus. You

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. There are two parts to economics.

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Boycotting is one, but there's also building. And I think

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes we forget the building aspect because we as Black

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Americans have never been taught how to build businesses.

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 4>That's why when we see other people who look like.

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Us build businesses, we say that they're what unethical because

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>we've never learned. You know what I'm saying, And that's

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>who I think where we are as a community of

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>people today.

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 4>The people, the.

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Black people that have learned to make money, the other

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>black people who don't know point at them. And say

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 1>are they devil worshipers? They so they sold they're not ethical,

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, bro, like, that's not how this works.

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>If you want to survive here on this planet, learn

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>how to use capitalism for your people. That's what I

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>ultimately want to do. That's what you want to do.

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 4>Everybody here talks about that. I haven't had a conversation with.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>One person here that didn't say, yeah, because I want

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>to do this, and then have another idea about people

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>who aren't going to ever see this money. You talk

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>about it all the time, about how you plan to

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>do things for young black girls who are trying to

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>get into entertainment and industry writing.

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 4>Y'all talk about it all the time.

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about now the responsibility that we feel

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>these one percent or the wealthy have to society. What

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of responsibility do they have? So again, using Tyler

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Perry as an example, he is a great example because Tyler,

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>with the money that he's made, is literally employing all

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>of us, thousands of people, thousands and thousands of people.

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>He has a program at the facility where young men

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>who are dealing with recidivism who can't find jobs can

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:25.959
<v Speaker 1>come there and work, learn how to garden, and learn

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>how to mechanic.

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Like he has programs no one ever talks about.

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about that.

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, here's about it.

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>The internships that he has for kids that are coming

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>out of college or in college, those programs. He's just

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>even employing people on a crew or set. When I

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>film my show, there's a crew of three hundred plus

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 2>people that majority of them look like us block.

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 4>So what I hear is.

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<v Speaker 9>Instead of telling people what to do with their money,

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 9>just realize what they do, number one. Just like he's

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 9>actually employing people. And one of those trops is if

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 9>you can't, like I'm canna, I can lead a horse

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 9>to water but right, and or you can teach a

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 9>man how to fish, or you give him man fish

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<v Speaker 9>to teach him how to fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think what Tyler is doing, and what what

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<v Speaker 4>the example is in that?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 4>That what the ethical point in that is give people jobs.

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 4>Don't give people money, right.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 9>Like, don't don't give your hood money, don't put up

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 9>buildings in your hood or or rec centers only.

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 4>But it is like opportunity, give people opportunities to make

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<v Speaker 4>their own money. Josh, you know who said that the

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<v Speaker 4>power story for jay Z.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>He did say that.

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Jay said this two separate times. The first thing he

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>said was what he got killed was he was just like,

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>people keep asking me why I don't give money back

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>to Marcie. They don't need money. They need to change

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>your mentality, which is a fucking fact though, Like if

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you give those people who don't understand business money, what happens?

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 9>Same thing with reparations come back. They're coming back in

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 9>two weeks broiling.

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 4>We need to change the we've been.

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<v Speaker 6>I would I would push back on that to say,

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 6>is jay Z contributing to changing their mentality with what

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 6>he gives to the hood, which is his music.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say no, I would disagree. We listened to

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 4>jay z music, not really, So how say something like that?

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 4>Did you say.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot say that in front of Brooklyn.

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 4>Now you can't fly?

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>You can listen to them lyrics And he's pointing out

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>he talked about Dumbo.

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:31.720
<v Speaker 4>I forgot the lyrics exactly.

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<v Speaker 9>He said he could have bought a building in Dumbo

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<v Speaker 9>for two million dollars. Yeah, years ago, in twice twenty something,

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 9>and what is it now? What is it worth today?

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 9>Like twenty million?

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Said I could have bought it, Dumbo, I had every

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 1>V twelve engine. He's literally telling young men and women like, yo,

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I did all of this bullshit and the thing I

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>should have he's remember how to do something something?

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 4>Credit? Yeah, how did that? He really is teaching.

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Also, he has bailed out thousands of people who are

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>in jail for petty crimes, who have never seen would

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.240
<v Speaker 1>have never seen the light of day, and he bailed

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>them out without even making it a public thing, because

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.919
<v Speaker 1>he also knows if I start telling everybody what I'm doing,

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna find a way to stop facts.

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>To stop you. But then also, you told the line

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>between when you're in a position to help people, do

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 2>we make it a public announcement to say, hey, y'all,

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.919
<v Speaker 2>I have the resources to help people, versus not helping people.

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And people say, well, you don't ever help nobody?

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 4>Could you could do that for a PR a PR stunt?

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 4>But what's the point. What's the point is their ultimate

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 4>goals to help people? Why are we talking about?

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And exactly know how? And I helped regularly, and if

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>we were to just be like, hey, we help this

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>person today, we helped that person today, we this for

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 2>that person, I know I need some help.

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 6>But that's a that's a really good point because people

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 6>always say this too about Beyonce. And something I heard

0:35:54.800 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 6>recently was like, during the LA fires, Beyonce's foundation be Good,

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 6>did a bunch of giving back and they were people

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 6>were saying, like in Pasadena, they were kind of the

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 6>only foundation that was still there after a few months,

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 6>still helping people get back on their feet.

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 4>And she doesn't, you know, she doesn't say anything.

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 6>She doesn't have to announce it, you know, she just

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 6>does what she does, and she just gets backlash from us.

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 4>Same thing with Tyler Perry, I think too.

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 6>People always find something about Tyler Perry to write that.

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 6>But when he was making stage plays and we was

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 6>buying them on bootleg, everybody was laughing.

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 4>He and Hahn, he told me about it.

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 6>When he got to a certain level, then it was like, oh,

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 6>Tyler Pierry's exploiting and Tyler peers doing this and that,

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 6>And I mean, Tyler Pierry is telling one story. He's

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 6>telling the story that he knows how to tell. He's

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 6>not stopping anybody else from telling another story. He's not

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 6>saying that this is the definitive story of black people,

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 6>and people like watching his shit. I was always he's

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 6>doing something other than he's employing people and giving people

0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:57.959
<v Speaker 6>help money.

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 4>He's employing thousands of people. I just need one, just

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 4>one thing You're we're going to do is shoot her shot.

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>But I want to say this too about Tyler Perran,

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>not because he's my my boss, but he does tell

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the same story. But SODA's Ken your barrass Blackish, mixedish, grownish,

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 1>SODA's maral Broca kill. I just happened to love all

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>her stories because she tells love stories. But it's the

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 1>same story, like love it girlfriends.

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 4>The same story, not just.

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>It's like some people feel you feel like they have

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>a type cast because they're always playing the same kind

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>of character in the same random story.

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 4>That's just what it is.

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 2>And if it ain't for you, it ain't for you.

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>We told for the last seven years, we told our

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>love story over and over again, different ways, through book,

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>through social media, through podcasts, because that was our story.

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 4>Some people may feel the same way, like or they

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 4>keep telling the same story. I even I even her.

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Saw one comment a guy said marriage is not a business,

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and Deval and Kadeen have made a business out of

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>their marriage, and I said, this person doesn't understand.

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna argue and go back with them.

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's the same person that when we first started

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and was broke telling our story, they loved it. I

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>know this person because the person's been following us for

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a minute and they loved the fact that we was

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 1>broke and telling this story.

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 4>And they're telling the real The minute we started ascending.

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Then it was marriaging the business, which shows me most

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>of the time people just don't want to say you'd

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 1>be better than them.

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 3>You think it's crabbed environmentality.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 9>I don't think you could look at anybody and say

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 9>something that goes against their agenda without being crabbing a barrel,

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 9>Like there's no there's nothing any like for you. For

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 9>the example that you just gave with the with the

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 9>dude that said when you were broke one thing and

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 9>then when you start making money that completed a different thing.

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 9>That has to be crabbing a baron. That has to

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 9>be a sort of like an introspective of myself and

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 9>it's where I am in relation to where these people.

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Where these people are absolutely, and that is the comment section,

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 2>because I what I can't Understandavalani for example, because I

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 2>can only speak to us. I feel like we've been

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>very consistent with who we are and who we've been. Naturally,

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 2>of course, yes, we've grown, We've had avenues and opportunities

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 2>to be able to expand, because the reason we started

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>this whole social media thing anyway was to get the

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 2>opportunities to be on camera as actors, and we finally

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 2>reached that point. But we literally have been telling the

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>same stories and been the same people and sharing our

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 2>growth and the way we've done things for years. So

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 2>for folks to be like now we don't fuck with

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 2>them no more because they, you know, are doing too

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 2>much or they've changed, it's just like, now we've changed

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>for the better. You've been stagnant.

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>We have changed, and I agree with you, we have changed.

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of times people don't want to see

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>other people change.

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. They like the aspiration of things. But then

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.879
<v Speaker 2>when you get to that point when you truly are aspirational,

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 2>then it becomes a faker.

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 4>It's like not ethical. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 6>I would switch the mindset because the crabs in a

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 6>barrel thing, I understand it, but that it kind of

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 6>assumes that only certain people are the crabs, you know

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.320
<v Speaker 6>what I'm saying. Whereas I think that we have a

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 6>culture of exploitation that we've all been socialized to believe

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.439
<v Speaker 6>and somebody has to be exploited in order for something

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 6>to be good, it can we can say the same

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.359
<v Speaker 6>thing for billionaires, people that hold their money because they

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 6>don't want anybody else to be upperly mobile because there's

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 6>going to be less for them. People just generally have

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 6>a scarcity mindset. I think that there's not enough for

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 6>everybody to have enough, you know what I'm saying.

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 4>But this is the thing that bothers me.

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't have that mindset I shared with everybody. But

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>then you know what the feedback is, he only put

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 1>his friends on.

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 6>We weren't friends before we started with And that's my point.

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 1>People would just say anything to make them feel like

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to do that because I didn't do

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>anything that wasn't unethical, When the bottom line is is

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that you're looking for something to be unethical because you

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>just haven't accomplished what that person has.

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 4>We went past that. I'm trying to understand, like that's

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 4>and this is what happens.

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 1>This is what I'm saying, is why when we talk

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:04.480
<v Speaker 1>about being rich and ethical, who decides what's unethical? Because

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>part of the unethical thing is like devalanceading only put

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>their friends on. And I'm like, when did that become

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 1>an issue? Like the fact that we only put our

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>friends on is an issue?

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:19.320
<v Speaker 9>Now you got way more friends than the three of us. Absolutely, absolutely,

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 9>I would say that so that that statement has it's

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 9>not your tight whatsoever.

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not on yet, none of us, all of

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>us seriously, and I'm not going to make it seem

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 1>like we don't do well. We do well, but I

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.280
<v Speaker 1>have things in my life that I want to accomplish

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that I haven't accomplished. Yeah, we all out here working

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to do that. We're all out here helping as many

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.800
<v Speaker 1>people as we can, but we're not like broadcasting it

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 1>because that becomes performative.

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 4>But when you are gaining, gaining, gaining and you're.

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Not broadcasting how you're helping, people often say that you're unethical.

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Then when you do broadcast, they say you performative. That's

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>why when you said you damned do you do if

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>you damn if you don't, I've got to a point

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>in my life. Now I don't get you, just fuck you,

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 1>just damn, so I might as well go out and

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>do it. Listen to how people create narratives. When did

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 1>we do the Essence interviews? Josh arities Okay, it was

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 1>April right when we did the Essence interview when I

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>broke down and cried. Did we know that K Show

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>was going to be announced?

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 4>No clue right, K Show gets it out on I

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 4>do that interview on Thursday.

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>It was the Wednesday, April thirtieth.

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 4>I remember we do an interview on a Wednesday. Thursday,

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 4>we went to Upfront.

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I went to Upfront upfronts on Thursday, and my mind,

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you the interview already happened.

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 4>Go up us on Thursday. Asked me, how does Kadeen

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 4>feel about the release? I said, oh, the release is cool.

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>They want to wait and find They don't know when

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:46.439
<v Speaker 1>they'll be able to talk about it because we haven't

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 1>been able to talk about it on our press tour.

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.399
<v Speaker 1>We find out that Saturday that they're going to drop

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the release on Monday. The release comes out Monday. Everybody's

0:42:55.120 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 1>excited about ka Essence drops our interview on Tuesday. Comments

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>on social media. From that interview on Twitter is Deval

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to on TikTok Dval just wanted to steal

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a shine from k because her show was.

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 2>An announced Right, He's dramatic.

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I was being dramatic, and this is my thing. I'm

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 1>not going to argue with these people. I'm not going

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>to go back and forth. Sakari called and was pissed, Like, bro,

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>as much as you push Kadeen in the forefront, for

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 1>them to create this narrative that now you're trying to

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>take the shine is annoying. But I'm like, Sakari, you

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>can't fight that. Like people are going to create their

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 1>own narrative about what they want and and they're gonna

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>argue other people. Nah, I've been watching them for years.

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>You don't want kay to shine and people arguing with them?

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Like are you gonna laugh at that? Because you know

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 2>how false that is. Since we're in the gym in Brooklyn, Matt, to.

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 4>Be honest, my whole goal.

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Since we've been in the gym, Matt will tell you,

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm going to make my wife this

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>is my exact words, Bigger than Kim K, bigger than Beyonce.

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that That's always been my goal. I always felt

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 4>share that talent.

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.399
<v Speaker 1>So for people to make these assumptions and and create

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>this narrative that I just wanted to steal her shine.

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>It's proof that people have no clue what they're talking about,

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>but will say it with such conviction that other people

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>will follow them. And they do the same thing with ethics.

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Beyonce is a devil worshiper Tyler Perry and Oprah worship

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the devil. We've been to how many events with Tyler

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and Oprah with a bunch of people. I've seen these

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:32.799
<v Speaker 1>people do nothing but pray facts.

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Who they're praying to.

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank God, you know what, You're right. I don't know

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 1>they praying to personally, but they pray openly to God.

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 1>They thank God for everything. Every time we meet someone

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 1>who's been at that level and they see that we're

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to get there, they always say keep God first.

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>But then when you hear people talk about it, they're

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 1>not ethical. Beyonce trying to get your daughters, I'm like, wow,

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>like this is kind of crazy.

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 4>The fear, you know, it is exhausted.

0:44:59.480 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>It is.

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.360
<v Speaker 2>My favorite two words right now be oh, well, you

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>just don't care.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh, well you don't care. I don't either.

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.320
<v Speaker 6>It's not worth it to care because it's people's personal

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 6>like mindset to think that there has to be some

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 6>type of exploitation in order for somebody to be doing well.

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 6>A lot of times there is. We there is a

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 6>culture of exploitation absolutely comes to wealth, and that is true.

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 6>And so people are always looking for where's the exploitation

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:29.959
<v Speaker 6>And a lot of times it's just like crazy shit,

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 6>and they're not looking for where is the like support,

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 6>where are the ethics? You know what I'm saying. They're

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 6>not looking for the good. Usually they're looking for the bad.

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, where's the intersection between ethics and hard work?

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Like some people just there is an intersection between ethics

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:46.720
<v Speaker 1>and hard work black people?

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 4>And I was that's what I was about to say.

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.320
<v Speaker 1>What she said she said four black people, because this

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.320
<v Speaker 1>is my thing, right especially on this country. In this country,

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>we've never had the opportunity for someone to give us

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 1>something and say here, do this exploit these people to

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.800
<v Speaker 1>get more. We've always had to grind and work with people.

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>So most the black people I know that if grind

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't work with those people, continue to work with those people. Like,

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.839
<v Speaker 1>it's not in our nature to just exploit those because

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 1>we haven't even had the power behind us to exploit anybody.

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 1>That's why to me, it just seems kind of asinine

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>for people to be like all.

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 4>Of these people who have gotten, they just try to

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 4>do it. To Michael Jordan, he would his shoes. Michael

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Jordan's said Republicans were sneakers too.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Guys, do y'all know that Michael Jordan is responsible for

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>how many people going to college on his funds? How

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>many schools he opened that he never talked about. Lebron

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.240
<v Speaker 1>opened the Eye Promise School, so everyone thought that Lebron

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 1>was the first, but freaking Jalen Rose had an Eye

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Promise School in Detroit seven years before Lebron opened his.

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 1>But no one talks about these things, you know what

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, And now here it is is on Michael

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Jordan just exploited black people with his sneakers. It's like, guys,

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 1>like that can't be everybody's story. And I just don't

0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>think that every wealthy person is a person of indignation.

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 1>That just was just like I'm fucking everybody to get here.

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying.

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 2>And because we had to work for everything. I think

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 2>we're more inclined to bring people along with us that

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.920
<v Speaker 2>looks like us, Like I know several pockets. We're one example,

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:14.840
<v Speaker 2>but there's several pockets to people just within like the

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 2>film industry, where it's just like yo, I'm going to

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>band together with my people so that we can ascend together. Ryan,

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.320
<v Speaker 2>There's so many people who are doing it together because

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 2>we see value in what each person brings to the

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:28.919
<v Speaker 2>common goal.

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 6>So, you know, and I think more people should have

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 6>the mindset of being involved in a community, whether it's

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 6>your group of friends, whether it's your family, whether it's

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 6>your block. If you are doing something good, if you

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.240
<v Speaker 6>are experiencing success and you can share it with somebody,

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 6>whether it's teaching them how to do the thing you do,

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 6>giving them a little change, if you know they need

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 6>some food, helping somebody take their kids to school one day.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 6>Community is where you're at. We can't save everybody, you

0:47:58.040 --> 0:47:59.720
<v Speaker 6>know what I'm saying. We can do it one community

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 6>at a time. And if what we are doing as

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 6>a group inspire somebody else to try to do it

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 6>in their community, then at some point, all of our

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.359
<v Speaker 6>communities are going to be doing the same thing at

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 6>the same time, and then we'll all come up together.

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 6>But as long as we try to alienate ourselves from

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 6>our our communities by focusing on what somebody else is

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 6>doing and not being inspired by it, we're never gonna

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 6>get anywhere.

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:28.359
<v Speaker 4>You hear how you just spoke from your heart about

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 4>everything you can do.

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Say after this whole thing, you go blow up, right,

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:33.879
<v Speaker 1>you know what they're gonna say about trible Triple used

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the Valikadeen and she was fucking divided the whole time that.

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say that, you.

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.359
<v Speaker 4>Know, whole time.

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.280
<v Speaker 2>That's what he put it on the offering table.

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna put on my rich nigga hat when that happens,

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna exploit the audience, and I'm gonna write a book. God,

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 6>I was sucking them both best selling best selling.

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:19.839
<v Speaker 8>Actually oh well, oh well yeah, oh my god.

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 2>But before we wrap up, I would say, just piggyback

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:26.320
<v Speaker 2>off from Triples Triples comment about us building community. I

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 2>want to shout out at t N and Ivy Walk

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Good l A. Every time I see a video from

0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Walk Good l A that et t In or Ivy posts,

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 2>it just makes me feel like, damn, if I was

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:41.760
<v Speaker 2>still in l A, that would be my tribe of people.

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:43.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, we were only in l A for a

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 2>year and a half and we got robbed of our

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 2>experience because of COVID and before we moved here. But

0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I love to see just like the togivenness and the

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.920
<v Speaker 2>unity and like the black joy. You know, it's it's

0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>families out there. There's men, there's women focused groups like

0:49:57.200 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>so shout out to what good l at and ivy

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:01.879
<v Speaker 2>more we for doing that. Y'all are doing some great

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 2>work and I feel like there are a great example

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 2>where if we find pockets where we can build community

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and actually not be concerned about what everybody else is doing,

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 2>but actually like working within, you know, maybe we can

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 2>get someone real quick.

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 7>Shout out to y'all. Though I know y'all personally and

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.839
<v Speaker 7>y'all don't talk about half that stuff, not even half

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 7>a lot of stuff. Y'all do a lot for a

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:20.280
<v Speaker 7>lot of people.

0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that.

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 7>I've been somewhere divine and I turned was like a

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 7>good human bro Like people don't think this way.

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:29.760
<v Speaker 3>It's just not natural.

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 7>And to see y'all do it and consistently do it

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 7>and don't y'all don't need no praise for y'all just

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 7>do it out of the kind of say your heart,

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 7>thanks amazing, appreciate.

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:38.160
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that.

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:41.960
<v Speaker 4>Man, appreciate Yeah. When you said you know, I thought you.

0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Now, I appreciate that. And I feel like the reason

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 2>we've been blessed in abundance like this is because we

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:51.240
<v Speaker 2>have a responsibility.

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we all do.

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 9>Says too much is given, much is required, and I

0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 9>think that's the balance of what ethics is like when

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 9>you have stuff that's, yeah, you have a really big responsibility.

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 2>It's true. I look at some of you know, family

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.640
<v Speaker 2>member's friends who are, like, you know, very active in

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 2>the church, big believers in God, and it's just like damn,

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>like you've just been struggling your whole life. But then

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:15.760
<v Speaker 2>we're here, So I feel like we are the answered

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 2>prayers of a lot of people around us. And that's

0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 2>how I see it. That's what makes me want to

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 2>continue to be giving and be generous. It's the only

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.759
<v Speaker 2>way I know how. You know, my grandmother, my dad's mom,

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Grandma Jrother, she was my girl. I was her favorite.

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 2>But she was always just kind and I feel like

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 2>when you lead with kindness, that's the only thing that

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:35.840
<v Speaker 2>can come back to you. And I have four boys

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>that I hope the world will be kind to because

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 2>they come from a lineage of people who are giving

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and caretakers.

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 4>In a sense, that's a fact.

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:47.759
<v Speaker 1>And also like richness isn't always I mean, Bob Marley said,

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 1>this is riches isn't wealthy. It isn't just gold and silver,

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.839
<v Speaker 1>and it's not it's your ability, like we all talked about,

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 1>to actually connect with another person. You can feel rich

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 1>walking around not having nothing because anywhere you go you

0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:02.280
<v Speaker 1>feel welcome.

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:03.839
<v Speaker 4>You've done good in the world.

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 1>So since you've done good in the world, anywhere you go,

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.320
<v Speaker 1>they come, eat, come sit down, come chill to me.

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:11.880
<v Speaker 4>That's how rich I want to be. If you have

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:15.760
<v Speaker 4>love and abundance, you're rich. Yes, yes, yes that a man.

0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>As a lady we was at the track meet. She

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, if you just out here no security by yourself,

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like someone with my people. We all out

0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 1>here watching our kids. Like I want to be able

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 1>to go places and give love and show love and

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 1>people give it back. If I got to come here

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 1>with my glasses on in security, that don't seem rich

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to me. You know what I'm saying, that seems very

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 1>much constrained. You see when you see that, it's like

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:41.319
<v Speaker 1>you're in a bubble and you don't feel open.

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:42.800
<v Speaker 4>That to me isn't richest.

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think that the testament to your ethics, as

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:51.320
<v Speaker 6>I guess leaders of our little team, our little gang

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:52.760
<v Speaker 6>gang gang.

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 7>Is that we are not gang gangco charges, we are

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:57.280
<v Speaker 7>not gang.

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 4>Friends.

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.279
<v Speaker 6>I think for me, the testament is that I've never

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 6>asked y'all for anything because I've never had to. Whenever

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:18.239
<v Speaker 6>y'all move up, you have taken me with you, like

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.200
<v Speaker 6>whenever you grow, I grow. And that's that's That's been

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.719
<v Speaker 6>a huge blessing and it's helped me to grow in

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:27.719
<v Speaker 6>ways that I have done on my own. You know

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 6>what I'm saying That your help people tell me all

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:31.479
<v Speaker 6>the time, I d M de Vow to ask about

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 6>podcasting and he led me to you, like stuff like

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.200
<v Speaker 6>that is huge to me. So I've never had to

0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:39.640
<v Speaker 6>ask you for anything, and that that that is and

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 6>it's and still have grown and that has been amazing.

0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 6>And I'm waiting for just the right moments.

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Hey, I need you.

0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 4>If I got it.

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.839
<v Speaker 1>If I got it is y'all because because as much

0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:01.439
<v Speaker 1>as y'all appreciation.

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.839
<v Speaker 4>Bro, that's what Tyler is for us.

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Like when I be struggling with shit business wise or

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:09.160
<v Speaker 1>be like yo, he'll say it too, like I see

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 1>you building. This is this voice, but I say you're

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 1>building some other things. You know, you're good financially, And

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what do you mean. He's like, this requires that,

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>this requires this. Remember the whole tour thing.

0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was struggling.

0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>He school does this is just a quick story. I

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 1>was planning the not the last tour, the tour before that,

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the time, Yes, it was the time I did it.

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 1>So we had a lot of expenses at the top

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>of the year. So I called him and I was like, yeah, struggle,

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't thk I'm gonna do any more tours. And

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 1>he was just like why, And I was like, because

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I had to put all these expenses up and then

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<v Speaker 1>I had to pay taxes like two weeks later, so

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it was like I had all of this money coming out,

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and he was just like, why would you not do

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 1>all of your tour expenses at the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, what you mean?

0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 1>He was like, you close out your fiscal year with

0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the tour expenses so you can get that back on

0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:59.919
<v Speaker 1>your taxes, rather than keeping all of that money paying

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>back to his tax taxes back and then paying for

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>another tour.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, you know what I'm saying. And

0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 4>then he was just like, understand your film schedule. You

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 4>know you get paid this time.

0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>You should start paying for stuff at the same time

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.279
<v Speaker 1>you're getting paid till you can write that, So write

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.719
<v Speaker 1>that off beforehand. And I'm like, I didn't. I never

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.319
<v Speaker 1>had a billionaire to explain to me how to get

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 1>through maneuver seven figure tax you know what I'm saying.

0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 4>But he was able to give it to me. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, Bro, that's the same way y'all say. I

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.359
<v Speaker 4>am for you. That's how he is. And he's never

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 4>asked me for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can do it not fraudulently. Facts, so we

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:38.600
<v Speaker 2>can have to get a pardon from oh facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can avoid you can avoid paying high taxes

0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:42.040
<v Speaker 1>a legal way.

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 4>There have an LLC registered as an escort.

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 1>When your escort, your tax will automatically go down from

0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 1>forty nine to to about thirty three percent legally legal.

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Just to be clear, consult your local cps.

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<v Speaker 4>Are smart. Okay, uh huh.

0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 6>Just because they rich don't mean they're smart.

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 4>Yep, that part.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Obama just said that in her podcast. Remember she

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:11.800
<v Speaker 1>said when she got to where she went to school, Harvard.

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:13.840
<v Speaker 1>She said, she got Harvard and looked.

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<v Speaker 4>Around and realized, like, wait a minute, everybody here does

0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:17.759
<v Speaker 4>not long.

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I was, like she said, when she got

0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:21.920
<v Speaker 1>to the Oval office she sat down with some of

0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:23.719
<v Speaker 1>them people, I was like, wait a minute, everybody here

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 1>ain't either. I listened to that man. If there's anybody

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I listened to one podcasts, it's them too. And to

0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:35.960
<v Speaker 1>be honest, I listened to Michelle Moore because I noticed

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 1>that she's a lot more open. She never had to

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 1>hold that office and doesn't have that responsibility, and quite frankly,

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:42.239
<v Speaker 1>she don't give a fuck no more.

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<v Speaker 4>The last time, people was getting.

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<v Speaker 1>On her about not going to that event, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>and making it seemed like they was getting a divorce

0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and she didn't love Barack no more, or they must

0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:51.280
<v Speaker 1>be getting divorced.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't show up. She was like, I didn't want

0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:55.920
<v Speaker 4>to show up. It was the inauguration for a president.

0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 4>I didn't care for.

0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:59.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to got other things like family, things

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 1>to do. And I was like, Yo, she really being honest.

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I know, but Rock is always going to have the quorum.

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 1>He's the president. He has to and sometimes he'd be like,

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. She'll be like, he don't know. I

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:11.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to go.

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I like that. I love that with us do a

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:17.920
<v Speaker 2>red carpets and stuff in the future, and it's like

0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 2>both of us being actors, it's like, I'm sure there's

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:20.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna be moments.

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<v Speaker 3>Last I want to support.

0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:25.120
<v Speaker 4>Always there.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen Kadeen don't let the val breeze. She always

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 2>be at these events. I'm like, because that's my fucking husband.

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 2>To support my husband. Okay, Like what do you guys expect?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, thanks for the love, y'all. I feel

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>like we need a group hugg. Let's do it in

0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the after show. Can we get a group hug? Everybody in?

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 2>All right, y'all stick around. Were gonna take a quick

0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:45.959
<v Speaker 2>break and get into this quick listener letter.

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 4>I sh out, we back, so let me handle these

0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 4>listening letters today. Wow.

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to the Yell's crew, Josh and Tribble. How

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:08.920
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna include Matt and Matt's last.

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 2>This is Ellis crew, So I guess they think Matt

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 2>is Ellis.

0:58:14.640 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 4>Shout out to Ellis, cru Josh and Treble. That makes sense.

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Adopted family members, see what you did.

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 4>That's what's up.

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 1>You are impacting our culture and generation and unprecedented in

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 1>unprecedented ways.

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.680
<v Speaker 4>Keep doing your thing. Now to what I need advice on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a forty plus year old and divorced mother of

0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 1>four to include a special needs child with autism and

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>other medical issues. I started dating again a bound three

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.560
<v Speaker 1>years after my divorce and eventually began a relationship with

0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 1>a great guy. Here's my dilemma, or rather here's dilemma.

0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>He's a single man with three children by three different mothers.

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.440
<v Speaker 1>All of his children reside with their mothers. He has

0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:54.040
<v Speaker 1>voice feeling down because he hasn't been physically present for

0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>his kids in a way that he would like to

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>be so, because I wasn't raised and raised to being

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:02.360
<v Speaker 1>accomplished to bad parenting choices, I have giving suggestions on

0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:04.520
<v Speaker 1>things he could do to build a solid presence with

0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:08.120
<v Speaker 1>his children. Because though because although nothing can replace physical presence,

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:12.120
<v Speaker 1>effort in tangible support bets, complaining while not taking action.

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I've even pulled things together and sent them by him,

0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 1>sent them by him for his kids because I'm a teacher.

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I've suggested things from mailing them a package a month

0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:25.840
<v Speaker 1>or of undergarments and outfits and something small that his

0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 1>kids like that why she's writing like this. I've suggested

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 1>things from mailing them a package a month of undergarments

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and outfits and small things that his kids like that

0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:38.840
<v Speaker 1>their mothers allowed them to have. He does work, though

0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 1>limited duty due to having suffered a stroke, so he

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 1>generates income. He has rejected each and every one of

0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>my suggestions, stating that he's done these things before and

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 1>either it didn't work out, or he said that his

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>mother gets things for the kids, so he doesn't need

0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 1>to do these things. I'm conflicted because he does things

0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.080
<v Speaker 1>for my kids, sometimes at great sacrifice. I don't like

0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that do more for my kids than you do for

1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.200
<v Speaker 1>your own. I'm grateful, don't get me wrong, But I

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.720
<v Speaker 1>see him, and I know his children's mothers probably feel

1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:12.040
<v Speaker 1>a way. Should I disconnect. I'm not at a deficit

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<v Speaker 1>for emotional support. Although my ex husband's children's father doesn't

1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:17.880
<v Speaker 1>do as he should for our kids. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>solid support system. What do you think help a sister out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not fragile, so give it to me straight, signed,

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<v Speaker 1>short story, long sister.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what I think. It seems like she likes projects.

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<v Speaker 4>She picked up a project. He You know, one of

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<v Speaker 4>her children has autism and it needs help.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a stroke. Seems like he needs help. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like she's one of those people that likes to

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<v Speaker 1>fix people.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You picked up a man that has three children by

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<v Speaker 1>three different baby mothers, but then also divorced the man

1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and said that he's not there for your children. Why

1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:57.840
<v Speaker 1>would you get with a man who's exuding the same

1:00:57.920 --> 1:01:01.040
<v Speaker 1>behavior as the man you just left at this point?

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, he says, you want to keep it straight.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you need to use better discernment, stop

1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:07.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to raise people to do what you want, and

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<v Speaker 1>choose someone that's doing and living in alignment with the

1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:12.280
<v Speaker 1>way you want, and you won't have this problem.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard for me to watch her because I know

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<v Speaker 1>her intentions are good, but you're never going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to change him. To be what you want him

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<v Speaker 1>to be, especially at forty something, so go find someone

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<v Speaker 1>who is what you want rather than trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>them be that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting because as I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like,

1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:31.800
<v Speaker 2>it's so layered. But yeah, the man who he's showing

1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:34.560
<v Speaker 2>himself to be by way of not caring for his

1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:38.000
<v Speaker 2>children in the way that he should, I think outweighs

1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:40.040
<v Speaker 2>the things that he's doing for your children, if that

1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:42.480
<v Speaker 2>makes sense, Because him being there to show up for

1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:44.960
<v Speaker 2>your children in that capacity that he can't for his

1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:48.360
<v Speaker 2>own children leads me to believe that maybe it's performative

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<v Speaker 2>because he likes you, and maybe he's trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>on your good foot. And he might have did that

1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.320
<v Speaker 2>with all three his baby monter, that's a fact. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to get on the good foot with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then once they figured out who he really is,

1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:02.160
<v Speaker 2>much like how you are figuring out who he really is,

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<v Speaker 2>who he is.

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<v Speaker 4>That's really what it is.

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<v Speaker 6>The only niggas that cry about not spending time with

1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:12.680
<v Speaker 6>their kids or dead beats, because while you sitting here crying,

1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:16.080
<v Speaker 6>you can be yeah or something on a plane. A

1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:17.920
<v Speaker 6>man who wants to be with his kids don't nothing

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<v Speaker 6>to stop him from being with this kid, period.

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<v Speaker 4>Except for the woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes, I'm not going to say yeah, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to sit here and say that because I know three

1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:29.120
<v Speaker 1>people personally who have cried about not seeing their kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and every time they tried, the moms have done everything

1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:35.400
<v Speaker 1>in their power, including lying to their boss, calling the cops,

1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.440
<v Speaker 1>filling fake police reports. So I'm not gonna always put

1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:42.439
<v Speaker 1>it on on the men. But when you have three

1:02:42.560 --> 1:02:46.560
<v Speaker 1>women and there's three at some point, now, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, it ain't just it ain't just them

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. You gotta have some discernment too, my guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, so different baby mothers that

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's uphill battle.

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<v Speaker 9>You're having those three different personalities. And it's like with

1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:04.920
<v Speaker 9>his existing girlfriend, my podcastang my bad.

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<v Speaker 4>I know she was like she was like, that's a point.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's coming uphill battle.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think his bigger issue is that he's knocking

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<v Speaker 9>down solid advice from his girlfriend, like she's she's she

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<v Speaker 9>wants to send things regularly, and he's like, nah, I've

1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:24.160
<v Speaker 9>tried that. That doesn't work, Like where does that put

1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:24.440
<v Speaker 9>you do?

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<v Speaker 4>That's why I feel like he's showing you exactly who

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<v Speaker 4>he is. Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And Kay made a good point. He's being performative for her.

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<v Speaker 1>He was performative for each one of those baby mothers early.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how he got them to be their baby mother

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<v Speaker 1>and then once he became himself, it was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>out of here.

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<v Speaker 4>So I agree with you. I think that I think

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<v Speaker 4>he is the issue, to be honest, and she had

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<v Speaker 4>a full plate.

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<v Speaker 5>Child.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's just a lot of individuals, and that makes

1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:50.760
<v Speaker 2>it's to you your four children, him it's three baby

1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.560
<v Speaker 2>mothers and then there's three children and then his mom Like, yeah,

1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:55.080
<v Speaker 2>that's just a child.

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<v Speaker 4>Company autism and special needs. And he just had a stroke.

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<v Speaker 4>So he doesn't work full time, right, that requires a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a crazy Brady bunch. But this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. I'm not trying to knock nobody, right,

1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you don't see your kids enough, got a stroke, you

1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:17.840
<v Speaker 1>can't work, and what you're doing with your time is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get with another woman. That seems to me

1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:22.960
<v Speaker 1>like his priorities are off, Like I feel like he

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<v Speaker 1>should be focusing on his health and creating a big

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<v Speaker 1>better relationship with the kids and the mothers that he

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<v Speaker 1>already has. Trying to start a new one is already

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<v Speaker 1>gonna spread him even more than even if he is

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<v Speaker 1>a genuine guy. So that's why I think that I

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<v Speaker 1>think she should use discernment and protect herself and her

1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:41.280
<v Speaker 1>kids at this point and be like, listen, we might

1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:43.720
<v Speaker 1>like each other, but there are some things I don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't want it to get even worse or

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<v Speaker 1>put myself in a situation where I'm having another child

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody and become your fourth. So I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>since I don't like the way this is going, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take some space until you figure some things out.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I would do.

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<v Speaker 6>It sounds too like he doesn't know the value of

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<v Speaker 6>commit because he's like, oh, I tried doing that and

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<v Speaker 6>it didn't work. And I heard you telling Jackson today,

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<v Speaker 6>like you know, you think Rome was built in a day,

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<v Speaker 6>Like you got to keep sprinting if you want to

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<v Speaker 6>get better.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not gonna sit on day one.

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<v Speaker 6>And so you try to send a gift a time

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<v Speaker 6>or two and your kids are already sawty that.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not there.

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<v Speaker 6>You're gonna have to keep trying because you're the father's situation.

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<v Speaker 6>You got to commit to that and three baby mamas

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<v Speaker 6>like yeah, you know, yeah, it sounds like, yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 6>not really putting in the effort that it takes your bill.

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<v Speaker 2>To find a way, Yeah, to find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>connect individually with all three children.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, good luck to you out there. Sis

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<v Speaker 2>continue to write in y'all for our listener. Let us

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<v Speaker 4>That's t h E E L l I s A

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<v Speaker 4>d V I C E at gmail. Dugger.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now I'm moment the truth time. What were

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<v Speaker 2>we talking about today? I feel like we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a bunch of stuff. Oh we're talking about rich

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<v Speaker 2>at the cold money, fics, business, all the things. Who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to start with the moment of truth? Anyone got one.

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<v Speaker 7>One you can help help the next person in terms

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<v Speaker 7>of richesness, tell us what we spoke about. That's not

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<v Speaker 7>always monetary. So you can help one. Help somebody learn business, learn,

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<v Speaker 7>help them in need whatever they need. Help them with

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<v Speaker 7>the ethics part too. If you think somebody's going down

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<v Speaker 7>the wrong path, talk to them, have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>Hmm, I like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, one person having something doesn't mean that you can't

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<v Speaker 6>have it too. Focus on building community so that everybody

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<v Speaker 6>you touch can be as successful as you are.

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<v Speaker 4>I like that, I got one.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let the amount of money you make define your

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<v Speaker 1>ethics like that, because a lot of people are willing

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<v Speaker 1>to change their ethics depending upon how much money is

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<v Speaker 1>to be made. You can't let the amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>change if you know it's not ethical, don't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Damn you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, if you know that the

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<v Speaker 2>goodness is in your heart and you are doing the

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<v Speaker 2>work to build whatever wealth looks like to you, Because

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<v Speaker 2>there's also some people aren't comfortable with just being able

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<v Speaker 2>to make a certain amount of money knowing that their

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<v Speaker 2>bills are paid, where some people aspire to don't be

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<v Speaker 2>giving me the the VALANCOPI here giving me the eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to give my thought. But some people's idea

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<v Speaker 2>of wealth is not monetary. Some people's idea of wealth

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<v Speaker 2>is making enough so that they have their house, their food,

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<v Speaker 2>their bills covered, and their content. Some people aspire to

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<v Speaker 2>have more, regardless of what that looks like. Mind your business,

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<v Speaker 2>Mind the business that pays you, and never let the

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<v Speaker 2>money change your heart.

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<v Speaker 4>Be killing me with the light read because she'd be

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<v Speaker 4>going to you know, because people in the business.

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<v Speaker 2>I was ultimately trying to get to mind the business

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<v Speaker 2>that pays you, because then you realize if you do that,

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<v Speaker 2>you might be more successful instead of minding everybody else's business.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's just what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants to round it out? Or is it? I

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<v Speaker 2>think jobs you're the only one left. Bring us home.

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<v Speaker 4>Chill, chill, right.

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<v Speaker 9>I did google all right, I want to know exactly

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<v Speaker 9>what Bob said, and I was gonna quote the he said,

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<v Speaker 9>possessions make you rich. I don't have that type of

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<v Speaker 9>written richness. My richness is life forever. Yes, right, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>that's it. Shout out to the period.

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<v Speaker 4>What that means is that.

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<v Speaker 9>True wealth does not come from possessions and materialistic You

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<v Speaker 9>gotta say that, Jamaican accent.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>do that. You're not gonna do that, Jamaica.

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<v Speaker 2>True.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you remember how he possessions make it richosis make

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<v Speaker 1>it rich?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh ja bless no man, need yes, do possessions make

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<v Speaker 10>you Possessions because It's like possessions, those don't make you rich.

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<v Speaker 2>What is this? Forget it? Possessions don't make you rich.

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<v Speaker 4>Something like you got a cousin that crazy my cousin

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<v Speaker 4>like a real Okay, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>What's what's up my nigga?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what's going on?

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<v Speaker 6>Man?

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<v Speaker 4>And he's Jamaica. He said, what what's up? My nigga?

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<v Speaker 4>What's up? Is the most What's what's going on?

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<v Speaker 8>Man?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I get when I go to Jamaica. What's up? Zach?

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<v Speaker 4>Wh what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yo?

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<v Speaker 3>I love Geneva. Pick up your steps up.

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<v Speaker 4>The world. That's so funny. Geneva say this before we

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<v Speaker 4>get to the out.

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<v Speaker 1>Two weeks ago he was having sex. I said, yo, homie, Zach,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm calling you Geneva, and we had sex.

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<v Speaker 4>Zach is giving across. I loved it. At least it's

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<v Speaker 4>on the same network. I love it.

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<v Speaker 8>Period.

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<v Speaker 2>The way I'm gonna do for it, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let me pull it out of holding, all right, y'all.

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