1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Wrong. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only, 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors and associates. 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: We would like to encourage you to do your own 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week are Beyond Contact. 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: Welcome to be on Contact Today. I'm going to be 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 4: speaking with UFO researcher Melinda Leslie. Melinda has been an 17 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 4: investigator of UFOs and the government cover up for over 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: thirty five years. For the last fourteen years, she's been 19 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: the owner of the UFO Sightings Tours in Sedona, Arizona, 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: where she has conducted night watch tours with the use 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 4: of military night vision goggles. Most recently, she's been uncovering 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 4: what appears to be a deep underground military base hidden 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 4: in Sedona, Arizona. This has been featured on a New 24 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: News Nation investigative show called Hunting UFOs the Desert Sky Mystery. 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 4: Hey Melinda, how you doing good? 26 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 5: Wonderful, glad to be here. Thanks for having me. 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely nice to see you. Yeah, so it seems like 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: you guys have uncovered some strong evidence for there being 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: a base under Arizona. 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Ron so much. Yeah, I'm part of 31 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 5: a team of people doing an investigation. And there's the 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 5: sightings we're seeing every night associated with it, and the 33 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 5: evidence and people having confrontations with the guards outside the base, 34 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 5: and it's many entrances. It's let's just say, it's not 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 5: a secret that there was a base here in Sedona, 36 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 5: like locals and other people have been rumored for a 37 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 5: long time. Veteran researcher Tom Dongo had researched it a 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 5: little bit. But what we realize now as we're working 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 5: together as a team, we're all like independent people doing 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 5: this research, and we joined together because we realized we 41 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 5: had so much data individually and so many cases and 42 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 5: so many witnesses and everything and documentation. When we pulled 43 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 5: it together, we realized what a giant story it was, 44 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 5: and that the base was much bigger than any of 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 5: us had realized. I mean, some insiders who've worked there 46 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 5: claimed it goes over three miles and day app and 47 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 5: we have tunnels that go fifteen and twenty miles this 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 5: way and ten fifteen twenty miles that way, and they're 49 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 5: all this complex tunnel system for the same facility. And 50 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 5: some of the insiders who have come forward said it's 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 5: actually separate little facilities connected by this elaborate tunnel system. 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 5: I mean, it's a huge, sprawling complex. We now know 53 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 5: that with large tunnels we can get into that and 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 5: the evidence for that, and it's just it's so exciting, 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 5: and you know, we came forward with the subject. We 56 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 5: jokingly say on the team, we're almost doing a little 57 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 5: prematurely as far as look, do we have all the evidence, 58 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 5: all the final facts. No, but we thought we got 59 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 5: to tell people because that's how you get witnesses and 60 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 5: insiders and people coming forward who know more about it. 61 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 5: So by putting it out there. We're getting feedback. We're 62 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 5: getting and we have had witnesses because we've. 63 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: Have uanity of the guys that worked at the base 64 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: come forward and talk to you on camera. 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 5: Well, my understanding is Ross Colthart has talked to two 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 5: of these individuals. Now we have had others, but not 67 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 5: on camera. Some interviews my team members did record audio 68 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 5: and then or took it and or took extensive notes. 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 5: But Ross did interview two people. Or. Now here's the 70 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 5: thing though, Ross says they're not willing to go on camera. Now, 71 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 5: that doesn't mean they didn't already. That means he can't Eric, 72 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 5: you know, so somebody kind of pulled back who was 73 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 5: willing to do it, and that was supposed to be 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 5: part of our special that just aired. I had met 75 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 5: Ross over the years long story short, and I went 76 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 5: to him with this story and I said, look, I 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 5: think we got a big story here, and he shared 78 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 5: it with NewsNation their executives and they showed interest, and 79 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 5: they came out late last year and did all their 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 5: filming and then they combined it with these other segments 81 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 5: that are about UFOs in Arizona, like they had doctor 82 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 5: lind Katai on and you know, the Phoenix lights, etc. 83 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 5: And then this gentleman who was a border patrol person 84 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 5: and witnessed stuff while being in the border patrol. So 85 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 5: he's actually a whistleblower because he was in a government 86 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 5: position in patrol security at the time and they were 87 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 5: seeing stuff from their aircraft monitoring the barb and a number. 88 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 5: I mean, he was sharing the evidence and the accounts 89 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 5: of other people. So it turned into kind of this 90 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 5: bigger the government's involved, their knowledge of it and Arizona story. 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 5: But it's kind of climaxing, and I have a feeling 92 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: Ross is gonna tie it all in together with all 93 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 5: the segnents being predominantly about the underground base which has 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 5: got reverse engineering going on it. But yeah, so it's 95 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: it's it's a very exciting thing, and I'm so glad 96 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 5: News Nation picked it up. I had no idea that 97 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 5: we're going to turn into a giant, seven sacred thing. 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 5: Oh my god, you know, like we never you know, 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 5: it is beyond our wildest dreams, and we're just so 100 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 5: glad they ran with it. We think. So I started 101 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 5: to say, two reasons why we came forward with it. 102 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 5: One is to get witnesses and people coming forward and 103 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 5: everything from locals and tourists here who've seen stuff out 104 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 5: in the canyons, had run ins with the guards, found 105 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 5: an entrance. You know, we have lots of those people, 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 5: but we need more and people who've worked there, like 107 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 5: we were just saying, you know, to come forward. Now. 108 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 5: That was one reason, and then the other equal reason 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 5: is we thought the evidence for this and what we 110 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 5: have will really help disclosure. So we do have Congress 111 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 5: people extremely interested in what's going on here, and I'm 112 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 5: in contact with them, so I'll leave it at that. 113 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 5: But it's very, very, very exciting that they do have 114 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: that interest, and that was another reason we've come forward 115 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 5: with what we have to ignite their interest because we 116 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 5: know because this is you know you talk about in disclosure, 117 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 5: and you hear all the recent whistleblowers, and so after 118 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 5: you have whistle blowers and crash retrievals and reverse engineering 119 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 5: programs and psionics and calling ships in and all this stuff, 120 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 5: what is the next part of that equation? You know, 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 5: everyone says the money, well that would be the next 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 5: after us. But the next between the money and all 123 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 5: that stuff going on is where are they doing it? 124 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 5: Where is it, where is it, where are they doing it, 125 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 5: Where are they hiding stuff, where they keeping the information, 126 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 5: where are they keeping the crash retrievals, where are they 127 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 5: doing the reverse engineering? And so we have that piece 128 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: of the puzzle. And we talk about this base, not 129 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 5: because it's all about the SEDNA base. It's just we're right, 130 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 5: we live right here, we're able to research, we're able 131 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 5: to talk to the witnesses. But it's a case example 132 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 5: of many bases like this where they're doing this work. 133 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 5: So we say this is a case example. 134 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about some of this evidence. Like, you 135 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: have some documents that are very interesting, right. 136 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah. To me, the two most I'd have to 137 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 5: really think about this, the two most significant ones. One 138 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: is okay, I guess maybe the most significant the two 139 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 5: is doctor Richard Soder, well known author famous for doing 140 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 5: underground based research, underground based and underwater based research, has 141 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 5: written you know a number of books of six or 142 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 5: seven total, I think, and three of them are about 143 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 5: that subject matter, all many years ago, thirty years ago, 144 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 5: twenty five years ago, and I had a monthly lecture 145 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 5: series in southern California, and I even had Richard come 146 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: to speak for me twice. I had been friends with 147 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 5: him for a long time because what came up in 148 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 5: his research is my other research into Millahuse, the covert 149 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 5: involvement and abduction stuff, and that he was contacting me 150 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 5: about all that because he learned that that was going 151 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 5: on in some of these installations. So that's how we 152 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 5: kind of became involved, and he helped me and I 153 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 5: cited him a lot in my research in that regards. 154 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 5: But in one of his books, and I have had 155 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 5: the book, I've had his first three books forever, and 156 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 5: I'd recommend it to Jeremiah. Look, you got to know 157 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 5: this guy's stuff. This is the research, this is the background. 158 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 5: And Jeremiah going through his book his first book, found 159 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 5: this informations. But back then when I read it didn't 160 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 5: mean anything to me. I wasn't living here or anything, 161 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 5: you know. And he wrote about that there was a 162 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 5: base out here. And then he presented this Department of 163 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 5: Energy document, so DOE Department of Energy document, and he 164 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 5: said he got it through Free of Information Act. He 165 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 5: was getting all sorts of things. But he started to 166 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 5: learn as people do you know John Old before right, Well, 167 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 5: it was nineteen seventy four, and is the date of 168 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 5: the document apparently, and they were going to build twelve 169 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 5: more underground installations in the US, is what this document 170 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 5: talked about. And it said they were going to build 171 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 5: three in Arizona. And it said they did all this 172 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: ground survey and work to determine where, and they named 173 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 5: the three locations, or at least loosely. Okay, they kind 174 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 5: of gave a coordinate. They gave a little loose information, 175 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 5: but it was clear from the information provided that it 176 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 5: was this installation here is one to three. And it 177 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 5: said they were going to build an installation out in 178 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 5: the canyon here of over five thousand feet in depth. 179 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 5: And so we have a Department of Energy documents saying 180 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: and then there's a map with a kind of showing 181 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 5: location that was part of the official document, you know, 182 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 5: and saying that we're going to build a base off here. 183 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: So that's kind of a smoking gun. So that so 184 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 5: we have that document thanks to Richard Zodter was in 185 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 5: his book. So that was just a matter of rereading 186 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 5: his book and Jeremiah finding it. I'd read it previously, 187 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 5: but it hadn't jumped out at me back then. That 188 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 5: didn't mean anything to me. And of course Jeremi noticed 189 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 5: it right away, and so well, we're going. 190 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 4: To take a break right here. Let's come back and 191 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: pick this up on the other side of the break 192 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: and find out some more of the evidence that you 193 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 4: guys have uncovered regarding this military based under said Owa. 194 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 195 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 196 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're speaking with Melinda Leslie 197 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 4: and we're getting some of the evidence that they've uncovered 198 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 4: that point to a secret underground base in Soedona. So 199 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: what else have you guys found on there? 200 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: This gets a little tricky. I had we knew that 201 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 5: one of the entrances is that this and we know 202 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 5: there's actually two entrances that are in the cement processing 203 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 5: plants quarrys, you know where they dig up limestone gypsum 204 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 5: and grind them down for cement. But right below it 205 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 5: is it looks like a refinery. It's the cement processing plant. 206 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 5: There was long rumored and Tom Dongo had information where 207 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 5: he had interviewed guards out there who had seen like 208 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 5: big semi trucks come in the middle of night. First off, 209 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 5: it's highly secure for a quarry, and it operates twenty 210 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 5: four hours and they have a gate in the front. 211 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 5: It's very secure, which seems like a lot of security 212 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 5: for quary. But regardless, Tom Donbo interviewed guys working there 213 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 5: who said big semis would come in the middle of 214 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 5: the night and go to this go in this security 215 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 5: they had the clearance to and go to this building 216 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 5: in the back and then like disappear. Now, I'm sure 217 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: those guards knew if there was an interest there or not, 218 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 5: or an entrance to a tunnel system, but probably had 219 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 5: NDAs and securities and you know whatever, But they couldn't 220 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 5: say that. But over the years Tom interviewed a couple 221 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 5: of these guys who had said somebodys would go in 222 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 5: the back of the property and disappear, just like an erport. 223 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: We used to hear those reports that when they were 224 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 4: building that that these trucks would just go and then 225 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: they'd be gone, right. 226 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,239 Speaker 5: And then there's also some accounts of like military convoys 227 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 5: of multiple military vehicles going in there. Then there's another facility. 228 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 5: Now we have more entrances than this, everybody. These are 229 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 5: just two in this leads to this other document story. 230 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 5: So there's another facility outside or kind of between the 231 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 5: little towns of Drake and Paulden. When I see little towns, 232 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 5: they consist of like a gas station of general store 233 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 5: in a ranch or two and look that's it, you know. 234 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 5: So but Drake and Paul then and then there is 235 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 5: another processing plant there. Both of those are the lands 236 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 5: are owned by the Indian tribe and the managements by 237 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 5: another company or not the management, but you know, but 238 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: the daily operations of both facilities is managed by Martin 239 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 5: Marrietta Materials. Well, that should ring some bells to people 240 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 5: if they follow the subject. Martin mary End Materials is 241 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 5: how lockeed Martin Aerospace got its name. Lockheed Aerospace Corporation 242 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 5: bought Martin matted materials from Glenn Martin so they could 243 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 5: process their own aluminum for making planes, their own medals 244 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: and dig up the stuff and have complete control over 245 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 5: the manufacturing of their medals. 246 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: So that an interesting coincidence because as we know, we 247 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: often hear lockeed Martin's one of the companies that may 248 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 4: in fact have whatever the government has that they need. 249 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, there's a lot of really good evidence that 250 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 5: they're involved deeply in the reverse engineering program. You have 251 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 5: everything from the whole story, the Wilson Davis notes and 252 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 5: Admiral Wilson going there to lockeed Now it wasn't stated, 253 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 5: but was very clear to anyone familiar with that whole investigation. 254 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 5: And now you have doctor Eric Davis, who wrote those notes, 255 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 5: testifying before Congress and actually admitting that, yes he wrote 256 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: those notes and yes that that happened. So it's all 257 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 5: out on the open now. I remember when that whole 258 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 5: group of people had like circled their wagons and we're 259 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 5: talking about it with some of us, Grant Cameron and 260 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: Richard Dolean, myself and a few other people investigating, and 261 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 5: we were like, okay, these guys have gathered the wagons. 262 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 5: Whoever we talked to in the bigger group were not, 263 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 5: you know, We're very like obvious that they'd been talking 264 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 5: to each other and kind of agreed on a storyline. 265 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 5: And so it's just wild now, you know, a couple 266 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 5: of years later, to have Eric Davis out there fully 267 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 5: admitting it. But what he was talking about was the 268 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 5: position of J two at the time with the government. 269 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 5: Admiral Thomas Rere I met Thomas Wilson at the time 270 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: J two was second in command of the Joint chiefs 271 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 5: of Staff at the Benegon and he found out about 272 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 5: the stuff going on at this aerospace company, which was Lucky, 273 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 5: and he went there and checked it out and he 274 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 5: was sent away. Anyways, that's that whole story and why 275 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 5: he was sent away, and he was very upset. And 276 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 5: then Eric had interviewed him on behalf of this group 277 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: of scientists that Eric was involved in at the time. 278 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 5: Long story short, So Lockheed was getting a piece of 279 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 5: had a piece of crash debris, and that Robert Bigelow. Bigelow, 280 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 5: which was you know behind the asset program if against 281 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 5: very complicated, but yeah, but Bigelow Aerospace that they had 282 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 5: gotten agreement from Lockey to purchase or be given that 283 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 5: piece of crash debree. And so because locked said, we've 284 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 5: done all the extensive work we can on this, maybe 285 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 5: you guys can do more, and Bigelow was willing to 286 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 5: spend all his money on it, you know, so he's like, okay. 287 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 5: So they were in an os AT, but it was 288 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 5: a government contract to do so. But through the SAP process, 289 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 5: the approval of the spenditure money it got blocked. Okay. 290 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 5: So long story short. So that was another thing that 291 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 5: ties Locked indirectly. Those are hard pieces of evidence, both 292 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 5: of those that implicate Locked for shre okay now and 293 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 5: even testified before Congress. So there you go. That's on 294 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 5: the record. So going back to going back to then, 295 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 5: so we we had information about that. So soon as 296 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 5: I learned that these facilities were being managed by Martin 297 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 5: Madded Materials, I'm like, dang, wait a second. So I 298 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 5: did research initially to find out how much of market 299 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 5: Man and Matial is not making any assumption that is locky, 300 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 5: you know it because we know that Lockeyed bought Martin 301 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 5: Man and Matials to become locked Martin Okay, so how 302 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 5: much of it do they still ow? How much of 303 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 5: Martin Maned Materials is still with lockey And it took 304 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 5: me some digging, but I ended up finding myself a 305 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight document just looking online doing a bunch 306 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 5: of keyword searches and stuff, and that was The Washington 307 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 5: Post did it in their financial section. Washington Post news 308 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: paper did a large article in their Financial Seconds section 309 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 5: about Martin Manned Materials and their selling off of stocks 310 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: and in the very end of the article, because I 311 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 5: said how much just Locked still own Boom and the 312 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 5: end of a article it said Locked Martin owned eighty 313 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 5: one percent of Martin Man and Materials. So I had 314 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 5: a Washington Post fully vetted art you know, article all 315 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 5: for their vetting and everything before they air something like that, 316 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 5: especially in their you know, or prints something like that 317 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 5: in their financial section, and it was this whole thing 318 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 5: about the selling off of stock and stuff. So in 319 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 5: the end it said they still eighty one percent. So 320 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 5: of course I told Ross and News Nation about that. 321 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 5: I said, you guys, that's from ninety eight. I don't 322 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 5: know how much they own a bit now, but this 323 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 5: Nation did digging, and Ross got back to me and 324 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 5: said they found they got a document from twenty twenty three, 325 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 5: so just you know this, this investigation was happening last year, 326 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 5: so at that point it was only a year old. 327 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 5: They said a document from twenty twenty three regarding the 328 00:17:54,520 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 5: financials and in twenty twenty three, Locked Martin's owned eighty 329 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 5: percent of Martin Matter Materials. So the management of both 330 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 5: those facilities with those major tunnel entrances are you know, 331 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 5: we have documentation that that management company is owned eighty 332 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 5: percent by Lockeed Martin, So that's pretty good. So that's 333 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 5: the deal. Yeah, yeah, and then and then we have 334 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 5: more evidence about both locations being the tunnels. And this 335 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 5: is how we know that. Well, first off, as they said, 336 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 5: people see semi trucks go in the middle night and 337 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 5: disappear in both facilities. I've interviewed and so is Jeremiah, 338 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: and so is Tom Dongo. A number of people who 339 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 5: live around the Drake paulm facility, and there's I had 340 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 5: a client who lives in the area, who lives up 341 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 5: on a hill out there. And now Jeremiah met a 342 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 5: woman who lives in the kind of same area what 343 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 5: this other client does, and they both talk about seeing 344 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: regularly seeing military convoys of multiple military vehicles drive into 345 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 5: that facility, which is a small facility. That's that's cement 346 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 5: processing plant near Grake Palin's very small. They drive in 347 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 5: there into that quarry and disappear. And they live up 348 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 5: on a hill where they see these convoys going there. 349 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 5: So you know, so again, lots lots of evidence. 350 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 4: Now the. 351 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 5: Television show with the History Channel, everyone's probably famire with 352 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 5: the Skinwalker TV show, well, they created a spinoff TV 353 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 5: show called Beyond Skinwalker. Skin Walker, of course, is all 354 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: about the ranch in Utah and all the stuff going 355 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 5: on there paranormal things. Brandon Fugel and the team at 356 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 5: Skinwalker knew that there were these other ranches, so they 357 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 5: started to do investigations in other locations and they created 358 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 5: a spinoff TV show called Beyond Skinwalker to do to 359 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 5: do that. Beyond Skinwalker came out and did we have 360 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: our version of Skinwalker ranch here in Sedona called Bradshaw Ranch. 361 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 5: And they came out to investigate Brandshaw. 362 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: That's the one that Goggle interviewed, uh investigated for years 363 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 4: and years and years. 364 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Tom Dongo for years. Yeah. 365 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 4: Let's take a break right here, Melinda. We'll come back 366 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 4: and get it on the side and. 367 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 5: We'll continue with another cliffhanger. 368 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 369 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on 370 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron. I'm talking to Melinda Leslie. 371 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: We're talking about the possible underground secret base that the 372 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 4: military has in Sedona. 373 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 5: Beyond skin Walker TV show where I just left off there, 374 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 5: said did this ground penetrating radar and came up with 375 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 5: a for thousands of feet. They did light our scanning 376 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 5: up the mirror, but it went very deep and they 377 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 5: found for the total length that they that they scanned, 378 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 5: which was like a thousand feet or so whatever, you know, 379 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: a couple of thousand that they found a fifty foot 380 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 5: wide tunnel exactly fifty feet wide, going straight for the 381 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 5: total distance they scan In other words, the tunnel went 382 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 5: beyond that. On the show, they overlaid that on Google 383 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 5: Earth to show exactly where it was. I took a 384 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 5: screenshot of that image, saved it overlaid on a bigger 385 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 5: picture of Google Earth with the fifty foot wide line, 386 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 5: and it goes straight to the cement prop to the 387 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 5: building at the back of the processing plant, straight there, 388 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 5: straight there in the one end Clarkdale, Okay. Then the 389 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 5: other end goes out where we know that there's two 390 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 5: platforms where stuff take off and launch from based upon 391 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 5: witnesses and insiders. That goes back into what's called Sycamore 392 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 5: Canyon and Secret Canyon no joke, that's its real name, 393 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 5: Secret Foutacy Canyon. So it goes right back there, and 394 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 5: the line goes straight back there so that and Bradshaw 395 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 5: is just happens to be kind of like over the 396 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 5: middle of it. But that line goes straight dis direction 397 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 5: to straight that direction for many miles, and when if 398 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 5: you overlay on google it, now that's kind of assumption 399 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 5: that you're going to continue it straight. It just happens 400 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: to go to that building at the back of this, 401 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 5: and just happens to go to the back of both 402 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 5: of those canyons where we know there's these platforms, so 403 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 5: it's like hello, okay. Then News Nation did scanning, but 404 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 5: they found another section in that area, a fifty foot 405 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 5: wide tunnel, and they scanned in another place and found 406 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 5: a section that they think is seventy five to eight 407 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 5: feet white and the big section seventy five to eighty 408 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 5: foot whine. My understanding is it has these big metal 409 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 5: girders running through it, because they had additional equipment that 410 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 5: looked for metal in the construction and not just like 411 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 5: rebar but like big light probably like metal iebeams or something. 412 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 5: Giant metal girders running through it, like very heavy construction. 413 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 5: In the big section, well, fifty foot white tunnel, you guys, 414 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 5: is big enough for two semites to pass each other. 415 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 5: I jokingly say, what's an eighty foot wide tunnel freeway? Right? Yeah, yeah, 416 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: you know, got enough. But they found these two sections 417 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 5: that are all in roughly the Bradshaw area, and that 418 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 5: they run in different angles from each other, so you know, 419 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 5: you know that, and we don't know if they're joining 420 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 5: up or whatever, but you know, for the parks that 421 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 5: were scammed. So we have ground kindetrating radars showing multiples 422 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 5: of these tunnels. And then we have those two locations, 423 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 5: and we do have the one tunnel system that it 424 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 5: would appear when you extend the line, like I said, 425 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 5: it goes directly to one of those locations. And then 426 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 5: we have other places in our canyons where people have 427 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 5: seen military convoys and multiple military vehicles. I'd have to 428 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 5: ask Jeremiah between us, I know, I've got at least 429 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 5: five stories of people witnessing that he's got at least five, 430 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 5: you know. So we have a lot, including the Bradshaw 431 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 5: family originally own the ranch. He's interviewed all the remaining 432 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 5: living Bradshaw members pretty much, and I tell you, man, 433 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 5: the stuff he's getting directly from them, and when they 434 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 5: sit down and they realize we're fairly notable. But this 435 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 5: they opened up with them and they've told them amazing 436 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 5: things about apparently a neighbor's property near Brandshaw Ranch, one 437 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 5: of the other branches near it, has has had military convoys, 438 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 5: military vehicles going on to that property fairly regularly, you know, 439 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 5: years ago. And I mean because the branch. The last 440 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 5: member to be at the rancher, you know, in the 441 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 5: stone the Brandshaw family was Linda Bradshaw and she was there, 442 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 5: gave it up ten or maybe maybe twelve years ago now, 443 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 5: you know, at least ten maybe twelve years ago, and 444 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 5: the government took it over. Now it's owned technically by 445 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 5: the Forest Service, and it's well known for a lot 446 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 5: of paranoral activity. Brandon Fugel, who owned Skinwalker Ranch, tried 447 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 5: to purchase it, but the government wouldn't buy it. I 448 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 5: would sell its right, the Forest Service wouldn't sell itive. Well, 449 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 5: now with this you know ground peg drying radar, three 450 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 5: big tunnels going under the area. I yeah, they I 451 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 5: can why they wouldn't sell it, Yeah, exactly. They wouldn't 452 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 5: sell it to him. And he was prepared to do 453 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 5: a whole investigation there, just like Skinwalker, because it's very famous. 454 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 4: That's another one of these victorious ranches with all kinds 455 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 4: of paranormal activity. 456 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 5: You've got it, You've got it, You've got it. 457 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 458 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 5: And in additional evidence, you know, people have run into 459 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 5: with the guards out in the canyons, including again my 460 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 5: team members Jeremia and Alexander have had that happen more 461 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 5: than once. Other friends of mine have had it happen. 462 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 5: Clients of mine have had it happen. Some of them 463 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 5: have been stopped at gunpoint by these guards. And you're 464 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 5: on you're on known trails, you know, even like I've 465 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 5: been to Bradshaw Ranch a million times, not hundred times. 466 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 5: I've never seen guards or anything there. But friends of 467 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 5: mine who've gone out there hap and stopped by guards, 468 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 5: clients of mine who've gone out their half I just happened. 469 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 5: That hasn't happened to me, you know, And Jeremiah's had 470 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 5: stuff happened yet it just you know, I'm I admit, 471 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 5: I'm not the hiker I used to be, So I'm 472 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 5: not going on some of the very difficult Wendy Heights 473 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 5: hikes that Jeremiah and Alexander do. They're they're very physically fit, 474 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 5: and they do they do these you know, ten mile 475 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 5: hikes and stuff that not people were doing. I mean, yeah, 476 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 5: more evidence is the run is like I said, with 477 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 5: the guards. Confrontations with the guards, you don't get you 478 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 5: don't back talk him or say I get to be here, 479 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 5: this is public land, blah blah blah. I mean, they 480 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 5: get pretty firm and they there's a few cases where 481 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 5: they have rough people up, so if you start messing 482 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 5: with them. You know one guy who's a waiter here 483 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 5: in Tacha, he's a bartender here in town. He apparently 484 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 5: works an earlier shift or something, and he gets off 485 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 5: work and he likes to hike in Long Canyon, well 486 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 5: known hiking spot here. He likes to go hiking back 487 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 5: in Long Canyon and that's like one of his favorite places. 488 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 5: And he hides back there. And one day he goes 489 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 5: pretty late, like you know, it was late afternoon, and 490 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 5: he's hiking way back in there, and all of a sudden, 491 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 5: he has three red dots on his chest. Well those 492 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 5: are gum sight lasers, and he stops and he goes, okay, 493 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 5: you know, an outcome six. He has six six dotsize chest. 494 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 5: So six guys come out camouflage combat boots kevlar ves 495 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 5: M sixteen's you know point m helmets, you know, and 496 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 5: they stop and they said, what are you doing back here? 497 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 5: He goes, well, he hike this all the time. This is, 498 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 5: you know, one of my favorite hips. And then what 499 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 5: are you doing here today? And he goes, I got 500 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 5: off work and I got work a little later, so 501 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 5: I came by those still daylight and they said turn around, 502 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 5: come back another day. That's often what they tell people. 503 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 5: But that's just one account. We have a gentleman who 504 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 5: on a on a trail bike, a dirt bike, go 505 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 5: out into Sycamore Canyon, go way off trailway back there. 506 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 5: When I say trailbick, it was more in that he 507 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 5: had like a BMX you know, motocross bike, okay, and 508 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 5: he would go back there and jump and practice. Apparently 509 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 5: he did that kind of stuff. And he was back 510 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 5: there doing that and suddenly this door opens up in 511 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 5: the ground. Well, I really aze you see me on video, 512 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 5: but the audist does it. It's like a garage door. 513 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 5: Thing opens up and out comes three military hum vies 514 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 5: and they come and they circle them and guys get 515 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 5: out dressed on the camouflage. They stopped and he goes whoa, 516 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 5: and he goes to take off. These guys run up 517 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 5: to him. They throw him on the ground. His bike 518 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 5: lands on top of him. They push him down off 519 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 5: his bike just kind of off, you know, before he 520 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 5: can get away because he goes to like turn real fast. 521 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 5: But they and they go when we said, because they 522 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 5: yelled him, stopped, stop haul, you know. And they said 523 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 5: so when they threw him to the ground, they said, 524 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 5: when we said stop, we stop, We didn't mean to leave. 525 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 5: He means hall, you know. And and they said, what 526 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 5: are you doing back here? He says, I come back 527 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 5: here to practice and jump and blah blah blah. And 528 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 5: he's ware back off the main trail. I means many, 529 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 5: you know, hours back And and they go on that, 530 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: go up that and apparently when they put him on 531 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 5: the ground, one guy kneeled down on his chest. It's 532 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 5: my understanding, kneeled down on him. Well, this guy ended 533 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 5: up getting some fracked ribs because the guy kneeled on him. 534 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 4: Willy heart. 535 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 5: Now, I don't think they were intending to hurt him. 536 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 5: That the guy did kneel on him and it did 537 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 5: crack some ribs. So this guy, they said, get back 538 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 5: on your bike, go back the way you came and 539 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 5: never come back here again. 540 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: Period. That'd be good enough for me if I saw 541 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 4: a t out of the ground. Yeah, So Melinda, let's 542 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 4: take a quick break. We're going to come back and 543 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 4: we're going to talk to Melinda more about this interesting 544 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: case and find out a little bit more about some 545 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: of the UFO and UAP sightings in the area and 546 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 4: some of the interesting things with helicopters that you've seen 547 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 4: on her tour. You're listening to Bey on Contact on 548 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 549 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking 550 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 4: to Melinda Leslie about this incredible secret base. Well, let 551 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 4: it tell us a little bit about the UFO activity 552 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 4: you've seen. Yes, we would. You've been doing for fifteen 553 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: years almost. 554 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, fourteen and a half years, that's right, 555 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 5: fourteen half years. In fact, last night I had a 556 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 5: tour last night, no joke, Ron, I'm exactly it tour 557 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 5: one thousand, nine hundred and ninety so September twenty seventh 558 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 5: of twenty twenty three, I had my regular tour. 559 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 4: We're having this. 560 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 5: I do all my regular talk in the beginning at 561 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 5: that time that would take you know, half an hour 562 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 5: for a fundance, and I explain all about what you're 563 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 5: going to see, not going to see, how to know 564 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 5: if it's satellites, how to know if it's planes, you guys, 565 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 5: I cover all that in spades, you know, and how 566 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: do you know what kind of aircraft you're seeing. There's 567 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 5: different stroke patterns for private aircraft, commercial aircraft, and military aircraft. 568 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 5: And so by the so what it happened is I 569 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 5: had two fam I had ten people with me. That's 570 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 5: why I limit my tours to now. I had ten people. 571 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 5: It was two families and a couple. One of both 572 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 5: families actually said, we've seen you. We've seen you in documentaries, 573 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 5: we've seen you, you know, heard you on radio and 574 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 5: this and that. But then we follow your stuff, so 575 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 5: we have questions for you about your own personal experiences. 576 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 5: I said, wait till the second hour. See back then 577 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 5: we'd have the most signings in the first hour. And 578 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 5: the reason is it was all about an angle of 579 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 5: sunlight that even though it's dark where we are in 580 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 5: the first two hours after sunset, everything in the upper 581 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 5: atmosphere is stolen sunlight so we have the benefit of 582 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 5: this giant spotlight called the sun lighting stuff up for us. 583 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 5: So I would say, we again the most sightings in 584 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 5: the first hour. Here you're seeing metal reflect sunlight. And 585 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 5: by the way, that is the reason you see satellite. 586 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 5: Satellites have no lighting on them. The only reason you 587 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 5: ever see satellites is because they're reflecting sunlight. They have 588 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 5: no wine, it'd be complete, they have very limited battery strength. 589 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 5: It'd be complete, utter waste of limited battery. There'll be 590 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 5: no reason to ever do it. So again you only 591 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 5: see them reflect sunlight. They're metal reflecting sunlight. Well, so 592 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 5: are craft, okay, you know. And so we would have 593 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 5: most signs in the first hour and the second hour 594 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 5: would taper off with less sightings over time. So I 595 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 5: told that the two families who wanted to ask me 596 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 5: about Moanings experiences that night again this is September twenty seven, 597 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 5: twenty three. They said, okay, I said, wait and save 598 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 5: your stuff because the second hour will take road. So 599 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 5: I will, you know, tell you stories and stuff in 600 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 5: the second hour, And so we started to have science 601 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 5: and I covered all about planes, helicopters, satellites, drones. I 602 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 5: cover all that stuff, and they knew all about whether 603 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 5: it was private, commercial, or military. Will military aircraft have 604 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 5: a unique triple blinking feature on their strobes. They're all 605 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 5: required by the FAA Federal administration to have strobes on them, 606 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 5: and they go d D D D D D D 607 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 5: D d D. Did you know late triple blink? 608 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: Okay? 609 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 5: And then commercial aircraft has a single blink or private 610 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 5: private commercial single blink, some commercial have a double and 611 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 5: some small military, but most military and then so etceter. 612 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 5: So that night I had gone through all that, and 613 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 5: so by the time it's well into the second hour, 614 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 5: not only we had a ton of sightings, but my 615 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 5: clients were well versed in seeing military aircraft. So we're 616 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 5: I'm sitting starting to tell stories, and that night we 617 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 5: would have normally ended about mine on the tour back 618 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 5: in that September. Now, now this peak activity, what I 619 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 5: call this later activity we're seeing is peaking at different times. 620 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 5: So whatever the schedule is for whatever's going on at 621 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 5: the base, it has some kind of schedule, but lately 622 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 5: it's peaking a fortune. I maned my clients out till 623 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 5: like eleven thirty because right now it's peaking at like eleven, 624 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 5: you know, just whatever works. When I had Ross Colthart 625 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 5: and the crew out, it was peaking between one and 626 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 5: two in the morning. We filmed between one and two. 627 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 5: We saw most of the sightings that night between one 628 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 5: thirty and two in the morning. 629 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 3: Wow. 630 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's when they were filming. Which, by the ways, 631 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 5: we're saying, you guys, you can't see satellites. Then there's 632 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 5: no angle of sunlight. So when you see those shows 633 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 5: and you see that footage they filmed out there, and 634 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 5: you think some of those things moving our satellites, that's 635 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 5: filmed between one and two in the morning, there is 636 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 5: zero angle. As any satellite expert, there's no angle of 637 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 5: sunlight to light up satellites. They don't have any lightings. 638 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 5: So I reason you never see them. There's zero angle sunlight, 639 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 5: which means all those things are self luminous. That rules 640 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 5: out satellites. Plus that they're moving in ways satellites don't move. 641 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 5: They're turning and doing things. I mean, Russ says that 642 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 5: on the show very clearly. So that night I'm starting 643 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 5: to tell the stories. It gets well past nine, you know, 644 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 5: just storytelling it gets you know, and it's at like nine. 645 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 4: Year well this is this is brand new information to me. 646 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they take a while. Hey you 647 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 5: think I take a while time, wait to your Jeremiah 648 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 5: man A. Right. So one gentleman's looking at the goggles 649 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 5: at like ninet thirty and he goes, well, Linda, there's 650 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 5: a ton of military over these hills that just keeps 651 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 5: coming in and like large numbers. Is that normal? 652 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 4: Now? 653 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 5: Back then, we weren't sure if it was jets or helicopters. 654 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 5: Now from you know, a year and a half later, 655 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 5: we know unequivocally it's military helicopters. And I've had a 656 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 5: lot of experts going out with me, so just you know, 657 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 5: a lot a lot of experts, military pilots, military helicopter pilots, 658 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 5: experts and all that stuff. So we so we started 659 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 5: seeing all these helicopters and I'm looking with the goggles 660 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 5: then too, and or now my clients are had ten 661 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 5: people with me that night, so are based looking and 662 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 5: they goes this normal. I go, oh, heck, no, you know, 663 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 5: like no, you can fill in a different word. Hey, 664 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 5: you get the igo. Yeah, And then all of a sudden, 665 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 5: after watching all these helicopters come in, we started to 666 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 5: see objects appearing up in the sky above the aery 667 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 5: again like we're having sightings again. It had like calmed 668 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 5: down like we maybe had two in an hour. I mean, 669 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 5: it really stopped. And my clients were like, oh, is 670 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 5: this normal, like to wait an hour and have a 671 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 5: whole nother wave of signs. And I went, oh, heck no, 672 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 5: you know, like, no, I've never ever seen this in 673 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 5: thirteen years, and you know, of all my tours, I've 674 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 5: never seen this. And I'm going no, And so we 675 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 5: started and then and then after a while it was 676 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 5: going behind the hills and coming up from behind the hills. 677 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 5: And then one of my other clients said, is this normal? 678 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 5: Have you ever seen it come and go from behind 679 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 5: those mountains before? And I went, oh, heck no, I 680 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 5: never seen it. And it's like and I go, no, 681 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 5: I've never ever seen this. It's never paused for an 682 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 5: hour and started up again. There's never I've never seen 683 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 5: you know, Normally, in all the thirteen previous years to 684 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 5: doing that of my tour, we'd maybe one in ten 685 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 5: tours see one military helicopter, and it was that rare 686 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 5: one maybe two, you know at the most, and that'd 687 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 5: be like one in ten tours. I mean, it's a 688 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 5: very rare event. Probably even less than that. We never 689 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 5: saw military helicopters, and to see them swarming, it was 690 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 5: like what, Okay, so the norgest night. 691 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 4: Numbers, you're like twenty or thirty, right, it's a big yeah. 692 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well okay. Now, I know on a tour, when 693 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 5: we start to see a lot of military in there, 694 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 5: I'll stop and do account. Remember it used to be zero, okay, 695 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 5: and now I'm also counting if there's military jets there. 696 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 5: And now over the years we would have jets go 697 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 5: over because ever since nine to eleven, Patriot ethnic patrol 698 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 5: all cities, you know, so that's not unusual to see 699 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 5: military patrol. But they're very high up. They're like fifty 700 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 5: thousand feet. They all have triple blink. It's very obvious 701 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 5: what you're seeing. But you know, we hey, I've seen 702 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 5: you know, I've gotten so used to seeing planes and satellites. 703 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 5: I mean, I've had to become an expert on aviation 704 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 5: stuff at night, just so I know what I'm seeing, 705 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 5: what we're not seeing. I can answer people's questions, you know, 706 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 5: but I don't claim to be an expert on these things. 707 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 5: But I've taken out people. I mean, if I've done 708 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 5: one nine hundred and ninety tours, that's I'd have to 709 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 5: do the math, averaging five to seven people every night, 710 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 5: averaging you know, do the math. You know, I've taken 711 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 5: up tens of thousands of people. I've taken out a 712 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 5: lot of experts, you know, in all various and they 713 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 5: come and they tell me and they educate me and 714 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 5: the other people and so absorbed and I learn, you know, 715 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 5: from all these people. So by default I've had to 716 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 5: become an expert from hearing airbic. Okay, So going back 717 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 5: to and so the next night, on the twenty eighth 718 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 5: of September twenty twenty three, I told my clients, I said, 719 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 5: we saw something, we saw something really weird last night, 720 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 5: and you guys need to help me stee if the 721 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 5: if this is gonna happen again, made as a one 722 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 5: time deal. Not only did it happen again, there was 723 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 5: more and the same up the next night after that, 724 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 5: and the next night and the next night. And now 725 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 5: I've seen a pattern over the last year and a 726 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 5: half that about every tour or three months at like doubles, 727 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 5: like its teeps going. 728 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 4: Up in the wow Ona. This is incredible stuff. We're 729 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 4: out of time, but it's really interesting. You're making me 730 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 4: want to go on one of these tours. Hopefully we 731 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 4: can get some more updates as time goes on, and 732 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 4: we'll get more and more witnesses and more and more information. 733 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 4: I really appreciate it, Melinda, Thanks for taking. 734 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 5: The time having me. Thank you for having me. 735 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 4: Of course, you guys can find Melinda at Center for 736 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 4: Neewage Store dot com. You can find me at Twitter 737 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 4: and Instagram, at CID Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by 738 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 4: checking out contact intheesert dot com. Stay open minded in 739 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 4: rational as we explore the unknown right here on the 740 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 741 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 742 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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