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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. We hope you're staying

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Speaker 2: at a hotel right now.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 4: super producer Paul Mission Control decad. Most importantly, you are here,

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Speaker 4: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 4: to know. So today's episode is about travel. It's about hotels.

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Speaker 4: Where's the weirdest place you've ever stayed?

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Speaker 2: You know, most of the weird places I've stayed have

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Speaker 2: not been traditional hotels or motels. It's been the you know,

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Speaker 2: the more recent rental property things like airbnbs and verbos.

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Speaker 2: I've stated a few weird ones where I just thought

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Speaker 2: to myself while I was there, whose idea was it

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Speaker 2: to rent this place out? And how much time and

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Speaker 2: effort actually went into that this whole thing, because it

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like a lot, I smell dog.

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Speaker 3: I think what's weirder to me is I don't know

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Speaker 3: what a verbo is. Is that just another type of

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Speaker 3: Airbnb situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's another company that I'm out.

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Speaker 3: I've been really liking staying in these tiny pot hotels

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Speaker 3: lately because they're really affordable, and they're usually in pretty

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Speaker 3: reasonably situated locations, and it's sort of like going to

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Speaker 3: summer camp, you know, sleeping in a bunk.

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Speaker 2: Well, how about you, Ben, Oh my gosh, Matt, thank

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Speaker 2: you for asking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I've been in some pretty pretty crazy places, some

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Speaker 4: pretty off the books places, some kind of pay cash places,

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Speaker 4: not that I was up to anything untoward. Probably homestays

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Speaker 4: were some of the weirdest places I've been, and a

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Speaker 4: couple of things that were glorified campsites, Like it looked

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Speaker 4: like it looked like a hotel in the front, but

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Speaker 4: you walked out, I kid you not. You walk out

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Speaker 4: after you pay for the thing and you find out

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Speaker 4: that the front of the building is a facade. And

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Speaker 4: I walked into a place where it was sort of

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Speaker 4: campsites set up in this box canyon. Weird times. Good

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Speaker 4: people though, great oldies, yeah, very nice people. I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: if you travel a lot, you're familiar with the ins

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Speaker 4: and outs of hotels. They have a lot of very

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Speaker 4: very tempting pros to them. Right, today's episode is not

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Speaker 4: about the pros, it's about the cons. But let's talk

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Speaker 4: about the pros. You know, someone cleans up after you.

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Speaker 4: Someone supplies you with fresh bed sheets, fresh towels, allegedly.

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Speaker 4: And you know, if you look at hotels, if you

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Speaker 4: look at these, for give me, guys, liminal spaces you

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Speaker 4: see from the very bare bones bunk style hostels and

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Speaker 4: capsule hotels, which you know, a pod hotel nol is

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Speaker 4: like a nicer version of a capsule hotel right all

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Speaker 4: the way up to the elite five star white Lotus

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Speaker 4: institutions of the world. Turns out, hotels hold secrets as

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Speaker 4: often as they hold guests. And earlier we asked some

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Speaker 4: of our fellow conspiracy realists for their experiences, and it

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Speaker 4: was I would imagine I opening for all of us. So,

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Speaker 4: without further introduction, here are the facts.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows what hotel is. It's a temporary place to

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Speaker 2: go to sleep, and that's it. You put your stuff

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Speaker 2: all you do in the hotel room.

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Speaker 3: Ye, sometimes there's a place to hang your hat literally

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Speaker 3: and or figuratively, perhaps a hook for your coat. It's true.

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Speaker 3: It is a bit of a way station, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the journey that is life. Although there are some

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Speaker 3: I think is a very interesting and expensive way to live.

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Speaker 3: But these people do exist, and there are hotels like

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Speaker 3: the one I was just staying at. I was telling

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Speaker 3: you guys off air that are kind of designed for that,

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Speaker 3: like designed for some of them on the higher end

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Speaker 4: Which we we stayed at together the first time we

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Speaker 4: encountered that place you're referring to, right on.

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Speaker 3: The higher end. Now, I've never been in one of

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Speaker 3: the weekly I guess they call them roach motels. They're

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Speaker 3: there were people in, you know, basically one step away

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Speaker 4: And the etymology is interesting because back in the day

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Speaker 4: in the US, these were called motor courts. And if

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Speaker 4: especially in the post World War two boom. But people

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Speaker 4: have always needed places to stay, and it turns out

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Speaker 4: hotels have dated back into antiquity. The oldest continually running

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Speaker 4: the Nishiyama on Sinkilnken. It was founded in get this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine it's sort of I mean probably started

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Speaker 3: and then it's sort of the hotel industry, the hospitality industry,

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Speaker 3: as it were, a word that typically means generosity. It's

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Speaker 3: sort of ironic the way it's used in the industry

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Speaker 2: It makes total sense that if you had to take

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Speaker 4: You would inhospitable nice hmm, and.

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Speaker 2: Would want to have something like this, and yeah, somebody

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Speaker 2: just had a great idea. We got a lot of rooms. Guys,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, let's do this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't too long ago in here in the

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Speaker 4: you need a place to crash. But of course, as

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Speaker 4: we know, the nineteen fifties and sixties were not all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, you remember when we went on that car

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Speaker 3: I guess historic motor courts or also motor lodge. I

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Speaker 3: they almost feel like they're not trailer parks, but they're

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Speaker 3: a they were, and they were really nice, the ones

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Speaker 4: Nice. Yeah, discrete bungalows meant to capitalize on the boom

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Speaker 4: we don't have to spend too much time, hopefully on

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Speaker 4: the history or definition of the idea of staying somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: Pretty much everybody knows what these things are. And let's

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Speaker 4: be honest, some people love staying in hotels, some people

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Speaker 4: hate it. Your mileage may vary, and there are there's

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Speaker 4: some hotels that are better than others. But one thing's

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Speaker 4: for sure, they are a huge business across the world

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Speaker 4: and in the US alone. We pulled some stats on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. A multi billion dollar industry has sprung

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Speaker 3: up around this concept of hospitality for hire, let's call it.

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Speaker 3: Hotels in the United States alone made two hundred and

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Speaker 2: For many, right, because there are many other hotel chains

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Speaker 2: mean there's so many factors. That can't list all the variables,

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Speaker 2: but it's very interesting the high end profitability of a

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And while we know that there is

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Speaker 4: city of London, right or in Vegas or what have you.

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Speaker 4: We know one thing is for sure, when you get

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Speaker 4: bit of stuff they don't want you to know. Here's

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Speaker 4: where it gets crazy. Let's break it down the stuff

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Speaker 4: hotels don't want you to know and even more awkward

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Speaker 4: acronym than the acronym for our show, the SHDWYTK. We

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Speaker 4: we do so with thanks to all our fellow conspiracy realists,

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Speaker 4: many of whom you guys, remember wrote in when we

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Speaker 4: like the hotel deals. We talk about this a lot

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Speaker 4: because we were especially pre pandemic. We're on the road

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you on your way to a hotel right now?

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you haven't already checked in. It doesn't matter if

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Speaker 2: thought of this. You can negotiate at the front desk.

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Speaker 2: You can do it all you have to do. Literally,

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Speaker 2: We've learned this from many people, from people writing in.

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Speaker 2: There's a I guess a blog or an article of

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Speaker 2: ex hotel general manager that states this outright, if you

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Speaker 3: a room. I just you know, certainly seen that situation.

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Speaker 4: stayed at a YMCA in a pretty pretty big metropolis

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Speaker 4: sponsored by big hotel, you know.

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Speaker 3: Uh, then I have to ask it the YMCA. Do

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Speaker 3: they have lots of young things for young men to enjoy.

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Speaker 4: That's a reference to the pop group Yeah, which is

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Speaker 4: a reference to the place. Yeah yeah, yeah, right right right.

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Speaker 4: We're helping them out, I think. I in my experience,

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Speaker 4: it was like a hostile almost.

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Speaker 4: Matt's very meaningful.

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Speaker 3: Not they were crazy, they were not state.

434
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Speaker 4: Anywhere else would How can are you really pooping if

435
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 4: you're not pooping on a gold toilet?

436
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: Do they really all have gold? I would think this

437
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: is really a really fascinating thing to think about, Ben,

438
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: because it's all about turning those rooms over as quickly

439
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: as possible, isn't it. You know, it's all about like

440
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: the churn of like getting people checked out as quickly

441
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 3: as possible, getting the new people checked in as quickly as possible,

442
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: I would think, to get them to maximize the amount

443
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: of money these rooms can make, because these rooms can

444
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: bring in for the hotel, and so it it does

445
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: make sense that maybe you would cut some corners on

446
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: a organizational level to decrease that turnaround time.

447
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: It's a business, and it's a business that needs butts

448
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: in the beds and the gold toilets, and yeah, and

449
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 4: perhaps the gold toilets. You know, I I still you know,

450
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to brag, and I can't. I've never

451
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 4: pooped in a gold toilet.

452
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: Maybe you haven't lived then that's just all the that's all.

453
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 4: Are you not pooping in gold toilets? Now? Give me

454
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: a Japanese toilet any day.

455
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: Talks to me and tells me a bedtime story.

456
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 4: Now I like to poop in the future, you know

457
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 4: what I mean.

458
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: But the whole point of that problem, specifically with bathrooms

459
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: not being as clean as they should be, it's it's

460
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: because of the hotel ultimately does need that turnover, right,

461
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: But they also just they need everything to look and smell.

462
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: So what are your senses say? Is it clean? Does

463
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: it feel lux Does it feel that way, then hey,

464
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: we're good to go.

465
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 3: I mean that.

466
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: And again I'm not saying anybody is purposefully trying to

467
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: get a dirty room to make people sick. It's just

468
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: that's a business decision.

469
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: Maybe. Yeah. And it's not as though a mobile UV

470
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 4: light is is standing there next to the remote control

471
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: at your hotel, right uh and remote controls, Going back

472
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 4: to doctor Stagg, they can be a problem. And it's

473
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: not housekeeping's fault. It's the disgusting, disgusting humans. It's the

474
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 4: discuss the best humans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got your back, man,

475
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: it's the it's the humans doing their best. They take

476
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: a grody three point five on the Richter scale. You know,

477
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: they drop a hot mixtape and then they walk back

478
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 4: into the room and they grab their remote or.

479
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: They've perhaps dialed up some adult entertained on said remote,

480
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: and then do what they do with said entertainment and

481
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: then flip it back to Cartoon Network with the same

482
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: hand they.

483
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: Just did the do with just but yeah, there, No,

484
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: it's a great point. Are we in an ignorance's bliss situation?

485
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: Because what can you do? The easiest thing to do

486
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 4: if you don't sanitize stuff on your own and rubbing

487
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 4: rubbing sanitizer on it is not going to work. What

488
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: do you carry a little ziplock bag around and you

489
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: always put the remote in the ziplock bag and then

490
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: you push the buttons through the plastic How Howard Hughes

491
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: do we want to be? It is a slippery slope

492
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: and a slippery remote potential, Hasha worth it?

493
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, guys, I know some people who actually do

494
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: the baggy thing. They're like the huge bags like freezer bags,

495
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: I guess, and they're just big enough. Put it in there.

496
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Speaker 3: It's good to go. Wait, the whole thing like as

497
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: like a like a like a remote condom. You put

498
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: it inside it there and then handle it through the

499
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: bag that's amazing. I love this.

500
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we're talking about.

501
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: But I think I think I was maybe thinking you

502
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: were using the bag to sanitize it, like beat a

503
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: swishing in around and some now you leave it in there.

504
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: I got it.

505
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe the bag around to tight k it. And

506
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 4: then and then you're thinking, now I can watch the

507
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: hotel that weird Limbo hotel channel that is on so

508
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: many where they're like, welcome to the shop Spie Creek.

509
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like a screensaver the whole time. Yeah.

510
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doubles many complicated patterns.

511
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doubles, as you know, a splash damage protector.

512
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: So there we go.

513
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: I mean, what about the hotel phone though, that's another

514
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: that's another bag of badgers. Sadly the coffee maker Coffee

515
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: being one of our big co hosts along with uh Matt.

516
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: What energy drink do we have today?

517
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: It's more liquid death this time peach tea rest in peach.

518
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: Does it really say that it does?

519
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: These are all these are all new to me. I

520
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: thought it was just water. This is good. I gotta

521
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: try this stuff out. Then you mentioned the coffee machines.

522
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: I think we're specifically talking about a type of coffee

523
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: machine that was very much present in my recent stay,

524
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: which I used the hell out of. I had to

525
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: ask for more pods that they get them to send

526
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: me more pods up then espresso machine, because you know,

527
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: when you see a room that has an espresso machine,

528
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: not just a run of the mill, plastic y, crappy

529
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: little ker egg, but an espresso, your mind immediately starts

530
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: to just trust the situation a little more, where you're like, no,

531
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: this is a level up that they've got. They've got

532
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: there thinking about the right thing. This is a nice

533
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: piece of coffee kit, and I'm not worried about bacteria.

534
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: Am I being naive? Ben?

535
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: Oh, it's not up to be man. It is a

536
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: numbers game though.

537
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: You know.

538
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: It's kind of like you go to a fast food place.

539
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: How often is the soda fountain cleaned? Right? Yes, So

540
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 4: everything that is high touch, regularly used. We cannot assume

541
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: it is not a vector for some sort of potential damage.

542
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: There was one study published in Scientific Reports a while

543
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: back pre pandemic, where researchers from the University of Valencia

544
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: found bacteria alive and well, very thriving in nine an

545
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: espresso machines that had only been used in a hotel

546
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: for a year.

547
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: Ah standing water, that's right, and that yeah, that does

548
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: make sense. I tried to rind spine out and you

549
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: only put them as much water in as you want

550
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: for your little espresso shots. So it definitely didn't come

551
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: pre filled. Like and I will say that, but let's

552
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: just be clear for a second. You know this kind

553
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: of bacteria growth, it can sicken you, right like, I mean,

554
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: it can make you ill. Probably won't kill you, but

555
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: it's going to make you have a bad time.

556
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: And that's because you might be drinking it. You also

557
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: might be reclining or relaxing in something just as dirty.

558
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 4: Let's be honest. The main reason people have always gone

559
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 4: to hotels or hostels or motels or motor quarts is

560
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: to sleep somewhere outside of the elements. So the bedsheets,

561
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: the comforter, the duvets, they're all supposed to be changed

562
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: on a regular basis. And Matt, one of the most

563
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: recent times we were on the road, I think you Nol

564
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: and I had a conversation about the state of the duveys.

565
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: Is that correct?

566
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well Douvey covers guys correct me

567
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. I believe those are the things that

568
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: cover up a comforter, right, the things that wrap around

569
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: a larger blank that you would drape over the top

570
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: of a bed or.

571
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: For decorative purposes.

572
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: Right, they are, but they're designed that way in hotels

573
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: so that you don't have to wash the whole blanket,

574
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: the big thick blanket with all those materials. You just

575
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: wash the thing that's on the outside of it, the covering.

576
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: Right.

577
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: The only problem is with liquids.

578
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: Guys.

579
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: Beds and liquids. They don't go together, but they are

580
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: constantly hanging out with each other. I don't know why.

581
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 2: And it's just like anytime liquids seep in, it just

582
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: gives me an icky feeling. So yeah, often I will

583
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: take whatever's on the top of that that hotel bed

584
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: and just toss it out.

585
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 4: Matt, I can't believe it. Are we gentrifying the bed bugs?

586
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: Then they've worked so hard so ardently.

587
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: I it's kind of under the mattress for that, right.

588
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: The move is to walk in, keep the lights off,

589
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: remove any throw pillows, and then take the take the

590
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: duvey or the comforter back from the top, or just really.

591
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: Clothes wearing rubber gloves and I and a mask.

592
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: I kid, you know, I used to there were there

593
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: was a time where I was staying in a place

594
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 4: where I had my jeans tucked into my socks with uh,

595
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: with rubber bands around it. It was not ideal.

596
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: And men to your point, I think it is the

597
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: top kind of layer that has washed the least, you know,

598
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: like ause the the sheet, the underneath parts, the thinner

599
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: parts are like easier to wash, easier to change, but

600
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: the top part, it's like it takes up more volume

601
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: in a in a washing machine. They probably don't do it.

602
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: They have to send them maybe even to another facility

603
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: or something, because they take up a lot of space.

604
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 3: So I mean, like I'm looking at a you know,

605
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: an article on Upon Arriving dot com. It's sort of

606
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: like a hotel inspection kind of blog, and there's some

607
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: personal accounts of hotel employees talking about how that is

608
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: definitely the case. These top guys are the ones that

609
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: get the least love, well, the least cleaning love of

610
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: other kinds of love.

611
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 4: And we could do we could do several episodes about

612
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 4: this sort of stuff, and I imagine we'll have some

613
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: of our fellow conspiracy realists right in with their own

614
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 4: first hand encounters. I still remember waking up being eaten

615
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 4: by fire ants unexpectedly at three in the morning, out

616
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 4: towards the Grand Canyon. But from now, we're not here

617
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: to give you just an episode about staying clean, and

618
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: we're not here to try to make you a new

619
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: germaphobe or Howard Hughes. Let's get to the juicy stuff.

620
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 4: There is more stuff hotels don't want you to know.

621
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Speaker 4: So we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor,

622
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625
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626
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Speaker 4: about the idea of using a fake name at a hotel,

627
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 4: and if you guys recall we landed on something like

628
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 4: you can probably request that the staff put you under

629
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: a fake name, which I have done before in full disclosure,

630
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: but you will still have to provide an actual ID

631
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: and a credit card with your real name. It turns

632
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,959
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633
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,600
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634
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 4: and we're not going to spoil Jay's story in entirety,

635
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 4: but just so you know, we found one case where

636
00:35:51,400 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: it was possible to use social engineering, use social engineering

637
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: successfully to create a fake name while you are on

638
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: the run. We can't verify how all of this went down,

639
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 4: but we can say this person has proven a reliable

640
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: source in the past and doesn't have a reason to

641
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 4: be deceitful. And also, here's the big thing about fake

642
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 4: names in hotels. It is in the United States entirely

643
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: legal to check in under a different name, so long

644
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: as you are not actually committing a crime. So like,

645
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: as long as you don't have a fake ID that

646
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: says Max powers astronaut with a secret or something, you're

647
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: totally fine. If you find a place that takes cash

648
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 4: and you can pay the incidental you can use whatever

649
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 4: name they grant you.

650
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Speaker 3: I mean, it all feels also like the based on

651
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: you know, in a case my case basis, depending on

652
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 3: what the hotel and the hotelier and front desk people

653
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 3: are comfortable with. I personally think it's good you can

654
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: use an assumed name, you know, I mean, this is

655
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: something that you know, celebrities and stuff who have maybe stalkers,

656
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: they wouldn't want anybody to just anybody to be able

657
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: to find out that they were staying there. So a

658
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: lot of I've heard that certain folks have a handful

659
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: of go to fake names that they use when they're traveling,

660
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, and they kind of stick to those. Kristin Stewart,

661
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: for example, of Twilight fame, and that's selling Kristen a

662
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: little bit short. It's gone on to do many, many

663
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: much more interesting things. Uses the name Chuck Steak. Sometimes

664
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: Paul McCartney likes to go with Apollo Sea Vermouth and

665
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: Ozzy Osbourne is quite fun of using Prince Albert or

666
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: the quite rye bald Harry Bollocks.

667
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: So the hotel may need confirmation of your actual identity,

668
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 4: but they are going to adhere to the name you've

669
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: registered when booking your room, whether that's Harry Bollocks or

670
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: any other number of puns. Whether you book your hotel

671
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 4: by telephone or online or in person, the thing is

672
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: it is possible to stay anonymous. One thing that might

673
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: trip people up is they're going to need a contact

674
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 4: right like a contact address, a contact phone, number. If

675
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: you get a willing co conspirator, then you can provide

676
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: that address that number. The reason hotels need this, and

677
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: this is very valid, is in case something goes wrong,

678
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: in case they walk in and there's blood and poop everywhere,

679
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 4: or someone has just dismantled all the furniture. It's it's

680
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: not common for a hotel to go and chase you

681
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 4: unless you have done something untoward, unless you owe the money,

682
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: or unless you forgot some of your stuff right, some

683
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: of your belongings a suitcase, a jacket, and so on.

684
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: As for why someone might check in under a false name,

685
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: any number of reasons. You might be a private investigator.

686
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: You might be someone on the run from a very

687
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 4: violent domestic abuse situation, you know what I mean, people

688
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: using different names or not always villains. You might be

689
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 4: a celebrity avoiding unwanted attention. You might, on the more

690
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 4: sinister side, be attempting to commit a crime which goes

691
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: to another more disturbing secret, which may not be appropriate

692
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 4: for everybody listening. Today, hotels and motels are a not

693
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 4: uncommon venue for particular sorts of crime, including drug deals

694
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: and sex trafficking.

695
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of it has to do. Well,

696
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: here's the other thing. When you hear that, your mind

697
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: may go to a CD hotel you've seen in film, right,

698
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: depicted on a television series or something. Oh, there's human trafficking.

699
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: There's some kind of sex work going on at this

700
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: hotel in some way. Right, that's not the case. That

701
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: is the case sometimes, But it's not just those places

702
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: that if you looked at it, you may think, oh,

703
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: there is human trafficking occurring there, because that's what popular

704
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: culture has taught me to think about that type of establishment, right.

705
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: Like, it's not the place with the creepy guy from

706
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: seven talking about people come with all kinds of packages.

707
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: You know, they come with whole suitcases. Now that's the

708
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: whole point, right, it would be like way too on

709
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: the nose. It's all about flying under the radar for these,

710
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, organizations that are actually benefiting from this kind

711
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: of human trafficking. They don't want it to come off

712
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: in any way as unto or or as anything that

713
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: would you know, raise any eyebrows.

714
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: And ben you found something from what twenty sixteen.

715
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: Unfortunately this is true. Before we get to twenty sixteen,

716
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: we should note that the National Human Trafficking Hotline here

717
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: in the United States says there's a reason that the

718
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 4: hospitality industry is leaguered by this sort of practice, sex

719
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 4: trafficking in particular, it's quote the ease of access for buyers,

720
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: the ability to pay in cash and maintain secrecy, and

721
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: the lack of the traffickers needing to maintain facilities or

722
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: upkeep the premises, which is again another advantage of hotels

723
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 4: for people who are long term residents. Back in twenty sixteen,

724
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: to your point, Matt, ten point five percent of all

725
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 4: cases of sex trafficking that were reported to the US

726
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: National Human Trafficking Hotline, they all came from hotels, more

727
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: than ten percent. And it's not again again, as we're

728
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: saying throughout this episode, this is not to disparage the

729
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: hotel staff. Imagine you're in another high traffic area, right

730
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: you see hundreds of people coming in and out every day.

731
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: It can be difficult to clock this phenomenon and see

732
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: it for what it is, to unveil that conspiracy. In fact,

733
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 4: hotel staff are increasingly trained to note and detect the

734
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 4: signs of this abarant practice and excuse me, abhorrent not aberrant.

735
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: We want to thank everybody listening now if you work

736
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: in the hospitality industry for doing your part to combat trafficking.

737
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: I mean, also in a less gruesome fashion, there's another

738
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: sometimes sexually related cover up of foot and hotels. You

739
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: guys saw white Lotus. You know, you may have been

740
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: at some really fancy lux resorts. It turns out that

741
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: for the right price, some incredibly high end luxury outfits

742
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 4: will help you out with all kinds of stuff.

743
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not like these services. Now we're not

744
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: talking about actually doing murders, perhaps assisting with some cover

745
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: up type behavior. It's not like these are being done

746
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 3: with any kind of benevolence. You know, this benefits the business,

747
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 3: you know, if there are these kinds of things that happen,

748
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: crimes that happen on the property of these high profile hotels.

749
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: You know, theoretically speaking, no exact proof of this. It's

750
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: just saying conjecturing it isn't the best interest of the

751
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: hotel to perhaps offer some more premium services, some fixing,

752
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: if you will, I.

753
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: Mean, even before you get in that deep water. The

754
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 4: point I'm sort of going for here is as long

755
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: as a customer rates VIP, as long as they have

756
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 4: the money, it appears completely possible that they may successfully

757
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 4: ask for assistance in things like obtaining drugs, contacting sex workers,

758
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 4: cover up this weekend with my mistress, et cetera. And

759
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 4: it's not all illegal activity. It might be something where

760
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: you have, for instance, a quite well to do persons say, oh,

761
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: I heard Wimbledon is playing tomorrow, get me tickets. I

762
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 4: know it's sold out, but put me in the put

763
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 4: me in the Augusta Master's crowd, or something like that.

764
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 4: You know, and that stuff can happen. I want to

765
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: shout out a very fascinating Reddit thread from a few

766
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 4: years back with examples of people asking for some crazy

767
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 4: stuff and getting it delivered. I think what you're talking about,

768
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 4: NOL is much more interesting and extremely unpleasant, and it

769
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 4: is the idea of covering up a crime which historically

770
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 4: has happened. People do die at hotels. This is a bummer,

771
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 4: but it is true. It's not always sinister. Just again,

772
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: we have to understand these institutions have hundreds thousands of

773
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 4: people moving through them, and sometimes stuff doesn't work out.

774
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 4: People might have heart attacks, they might have accidents, they

775
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: might have overdoses and so on. Sometimes suicide is a factor,

776
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: and unfortunately, it is not uncommon for people to go

777
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 4: on a vacation with the intent that they will not

778
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 4: return to their lives. And there are there are entire

779
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 4: industries built around cleaning up sites of death and violence.

780
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 4: One of the one of the modern parlances for this

781
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: is something called a biohazard cleaning technician. And there's a

782
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: there's a guy named Dale Scillian we found who who

783
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 4: is or was working as a BCT and their responsibilities

784
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 4: included responding to crime scenes, deaths, accidents, extreme clean up situations,

785
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: and weirdly enough, Dale also specifically mentions hoarding, so this

786
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: guy also has to show up in hoarding situations. We

787
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 4: know what we're talking about with hoardings.

788
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's just a

789
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 3: couple of rungs above of scoring somebody some illicit substances, right,

790
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: you know, find find them, bring in the biohazard got

791
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: bring them, bring in the Winston Wolf to make it

792
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 3: all go away. Uh. And again, just want to add

793
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 3: that like in a lot of these situations, it isn't

794
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: the best interest of the hotel, the hotelier to make

795
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: sure that none of this stuff catches the attention of

796
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: the authorities, because then it besmirches the name of the business.

797
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 4: As mentioned earlier in the conversations about Vegas, we'll shout

798
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: out a specific in the trenches look at Vegas pretty soon.

799
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: Sillian to continue, makes a chilling observation and says, I

800
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: don't know, it's chilling, it's just heartbreaking. Sillian says, sometimes

801
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: people kill themselves in hotels because they're worried no one

802
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 4: else would find the body otherwise, thanks, and is.

803
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 3: Chilling and sad. It's I hate to hear anyone would

804
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: feel so lost and alone is to resort to that. Yeah,

805
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: that's rough, but.

806
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: It's why people like Steven Stack of Wayne State University

807
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: tend to call hotels or pay to sleep places quote

808
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 4: unquote lethal locations, because there's also no one, no one

809
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: to stop you, no one to intervene. There's, in short,

810
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 4: a reason why the windows on hotels don't open all

811
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: the way. And that's really really messed up to acknowledge.

812
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: But thankfully, obviously deaths are not a common occurrence at hotels,

813
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 4: and there's good news when someone passes away, no matter

814
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: whether or not it's publicized, which in some cases it's not.

815
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: The authorities are always notified. I don't know how wealthy

816
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: you would have to be to cover up a death

817
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: at a hotel, because you know, we'll recall there was

818
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 4: a very wealthy Middle Eastern guy while back in London

819
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: who killed his personal assistant and he was he was spotted,

820
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 4: He did get clocked, it did go public. I think

821
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 4: he got supported back to his home country. The name

822
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 4: of this person, by the way, is Saud Abdulazi's been

823
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 4: Nasir Al Salt. This guy did kill his servant, he

824
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 4: committed a homicide and he ended up getting back to

825
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: his home country. But even that guy, at the height

826
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 4: of finance, like Black Monday murder style power, even he

827
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: got even, he got called out at least, if not

828
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: fully prosecuted. Also, you know, second, if a death occurs,

829
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 4: no matter how it happens, most items in the room

830
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: have to be replaced, right. You can't do like to

831
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 4: Matt's beautiful point about the scratch and dent policy at

832
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: a hotel, which.

833
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: Is true circulation.

834
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't rock up there and say like, hey, I'll

835
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 4: take the you know, the room where that person died.

836
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 4: You don't even have to switch out the furniture. I

837
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: got a little plastic bagging for the remote, don't you

838
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 4: guys worry?

839
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: I would imagine the remote would probably end up in

840
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: the police evidence lock up, you know. I mean a

841
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: lot of that stuff would probably end up leaving the

842
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: depending on the nature of the of the crime, of course.

843
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: I mean think about it. You know, you have to

844
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: treat any item that could absorb some sort of bodily

845
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: fluid as as something that needs to be replaced. And

846
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 4: the third thing, which is again a good thing, is

847
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: that these outfits will hire biohazard professionals to clean up

848
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 4: the unit to the earlier point, to make it smell

849
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: and look clean. It can stand ready for the next

850
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: customer upon which the business depends.

851
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: Well, do we have a specific example of like this

852
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: being discovered that like this has been done or are

853
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: we just kind of speaking in the realm of like

854
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: possibility here?

855
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 4: Yes, there are there are specific examples of people dying

856
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: in hotel rooms, the hotel room or unit being cleaned

857
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: and then opened back for business. There are actually multiple examples, but.

858
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: Not necessarily like a hotel being discovered to have helped

859
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: somebody cover up murdering a sex worker in there. You know,

860
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying I think it's certainly possible if this has happened,

861
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: but I don't know that we have specific examples of

862
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: of that, like, you know, the the Hilton chain did this.

863
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Speaker 3: I think to your point, it's like, you know, it's

864
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Speaker 3: sort of like if you if a murder side happens

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Speaker 3: in a home and then it's put back on the market.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's not illegal. It's just there is a

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Speaker 3: certain amount of like hush hush that they try to keep,

868
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Speaker 3: you know, that stuff under wraps unless asked. But certainly

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Speaker 3: if a hotel were asked if anything had happened in

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Speaker 3: this room, they would probably be legally required to tell

871
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Speaker 3: you would.

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Speaker 4: And here's the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: The hotels in question, for the most part, certainly are

874
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Speaker 4: not going to advertise the past misadventures of any room

875
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Speaker 4: unless you're you know, at the Lizzie Board and Bed

876
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 4: and Breakfast and I can't remember, yeah it is, I

877
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: can't remember if anyone bought it. There is a fantastic

878
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 4: blog piece on Vegas in particular shout out to Vital

879
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 4: Vegas that that has a good in the trenches explanation

880
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: of this, but also the problem goes larger. Consider any

881
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 4: big metropolis, any high traffic Cityhi, Mumbai, Chicago, London, New York, Atlanta.

882
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: In none of these places, our hotel staff legally required

883
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Speaker 4: to tell you anything that went down in the room

884
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Speaker 4: before you arrived, unless it's asbestos or led or something

885
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 4: like that, you know what I mean, even if you ask, though, yeah,

886
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Speaker 4: it's up to them. Heck, they might not know, depending

887
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Speaker 4: on what it happened. We have the Claremont Hotel in

888
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 4: our the storied Claremont Hotel uh here in Atlanta, and

889
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 4: they have leaned into the history of this place. But

890
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Speaker 4: if you were to ask what's up with room you know,

891
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Speaker 4: I don't know, pick a nice three digit number.

892
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: Four sixty nine, what nice?

893
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: What's up with what's up with room four sixty nine?

894
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 4: Then they might not know even if you do, because

895
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Speaker 4: it's not something they're necessarily required to know if there's

896
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 4: not a health hazard involved. This has been this kind

897
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 4: of deep water again. But we I think maybe we

898
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Speaker 4: end by saying, obviously, people working in the hospitality industry,

899
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Speaker 4: as we pointed out earlier, they're not super villains. They're

900
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 4: really cool people, and often they're getting leaned on by

901
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 4: management so don't pick on your housekeeper, you know what

902
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 4: I mean. Be nice. We recently off air, we talked

903
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Speaker 4: about tipping housekeeping, you guys, remember that conversation.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, it's something that I was only hip

905
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: two in the last handful of years of my life

906
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: and never looked back. So good to leave it right

907
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: at the end of your stay, you know, for like

908
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 3: the whole kind of shebang.

909
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Speaker 2: You know. The one thing we didn't talk about, guys,

910
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: is something that's pretty prevalent nowadays. I'm gonna pull from

911
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: a story from twenty nineteen that it's something that occurred

912
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: in Seoul in South Korea, where there was a small

913
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Speaker 2: group of people who were going around planting surveillance devices

914
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Speaker 2: in hotel rooms, specifically cameras, so secret cameras. They would

915
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: go stay at a hotel room, bring their own device,

916
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: install it, and then leave right and then there was

917
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: now live video streaming from that hotel room from that

918
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: point forward, and there were I think sixteen hundred people

919
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: who ended up getting filmed secretly inside hotel rooms there

920
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: in Seoul, And like others, would just go online and

921
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: you could pay a small fee and then get access

922
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Speaker 2: to those live streams. And even download previous live streams.

923
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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you mentioned this, Matt. Yeah, you need

924
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: to if you are staying in a hotel. And I

925
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: get we are not at all casting aspersion on people

926
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Speaker 4: working in the hospitality industry. It can be hard for

927
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Speaker 4: them to clock this stuff. If you are stayed in

928
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Speaker 4: a hotel, you need to treat it like a public space.

929
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Speaker 4: Is that fair to say? Is that too paranoid?

930
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Speaker 2: I think there's I.

931
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Speaker 3: Don't want to live like that. Yeah, but but I

932
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Speaker 3: mean it maybe.

933
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Speaker 4: Really a plastic bag on the remote control is not

934
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Speaker 4: too far.

935
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Speaker 3: But I just mean, if I'm saying, I just look,

936
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Speaker 3: I just I choose not to to think that way.

937
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: I mean, if if that's the case, that's the case.

938
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Speaker 3: But I'm not going to live my life in such

939
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: a way where I can't enjoy a nice stay at

940
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Speaker 3: a hotel for fear of being streamed.

941
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Speaker 4: You know on the we look great, we do interesting stuff.

942
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Speaker 2: If I'm in a hotel room, it's naked time, okay,

943
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: So like if you film it, sure, I hope you

944
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Speaker 2: enjoy it. I hope you have a really good time.

945
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: But you know, so that's the way I am in

946
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Speaker 2: my house hope y'all are really enjoying the footage. But

947
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Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's one of those weird things

948
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Speaker 2: where I think if you take that on ben of like, well,

949
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Speaker 2: I see in my mind that means taking device with

950
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: me to every hotel room and like checking you know,

951
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: for reflective glass on every device.

952
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 4: Like what are we yeah, and then running the wires

953
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Speaker 4: and stuff.

954
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
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Speaker 4: It's just not a way to live, right, not a

956
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 4: way to live enjoyably. It's a way to survive, and

957
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 4: living and surviving are two very different things. We also,

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Speaker 4: I think we we passed the room key here to

959
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Speaker 4: our fellow listeners. We want to thank every everybody who

960
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 4: took the time to write to us with first hand experience.

961
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 4: We heard a couple of war stories. Stay safe, you guys,

962
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: and we want to hear your thoughts. We hope that

963
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 4: this has been you know, by necessity. This is kind

964
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 4: of a high level look at the various things that

965
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 4: quote unquote hotels don't want you to know. So tell

966
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 4: us the rest and maybe you'll be on the air

967
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Speaker 4: with us in a future listener mail segment. Like our

968
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: former bank Robert Powell, can't wait for you to hear

969
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Speaker 4: this story. Do you guys just behind the scenes here,

970
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: Matt nol are are pals listening right now? They haven't

971
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 4: heard this story without any spoilers. Do you believe this guy?

972
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 4: Do you believe this person? You think the fake name worked?

973
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's no way for us to prove right, So.

974
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Speaker 4: We'll chop it up. We'll chop it up, and we'll

975
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 4: chop it up in a future conversation. In the meantime,

976
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: how about this reach out to us. Let us know

977
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 4: your weirdest hotel stays. Let us know you're behind the

978
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Speaker 4: scenes information. We cannot wait to hear from you. We

979
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: try to be easy to find online.

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Speaker 3: That's right. You can find us at the handle Conspiracy

981
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: Stuff on YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook, Conspiracy Stuff Show on

982
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Speaker 3: Instagram and TikTok.

983
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Speaker 2: Give us a call one eight three three stdw y

984
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Speaker 2: TK call in and tell us what a sweet connector is.

985
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a sweet connector, but apparently you

986
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Speaker 2: can rent those, and they're super.

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Speaker 3: Doors between the sweets with would understand.

988
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 2: Allegedly, it's like a separate room inside the really lux

989
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: master suites that exist at the tops of hotels, and

990
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: it's like a separate room with a locked door that

991
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: you can sometimes rent if they can't get anybody to

992
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: rent the whole suite out, that's crazy.

993
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's to keep the Hoy paloy away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us your stories about that again. Call that

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Speaker 2: number that I just said and give us a cool

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999
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Speaker 2: not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

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