1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Little thirteen year old Matti 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Soto told her friends as soon as she turned thirteen 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: she wanted to run away from home and live in 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: the woods. Why because mommy's boyfriend was repeatedly molesting her 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and had been since we believe age nine, yes, since 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: age nine, and mommy knew nothing nothing. We'll never know 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: the full truth because Mattie Soto was murdered in the 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: last days. Stefan Stern, the no good boyfriend learns his 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: fate in court. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Stefan 11 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Stern's the living of Matti Soto's mom entered please in 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: a Kassimi court room. It's part of a deal with prosecutors. 13 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Stearn's thirty nine learns his fate in court twenty one 14 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: life sentences. And this is why Maddie Soto, just thirteen 15 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: years old, slept in the bed with mommys live in 16 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: the night before her murder. This as disturbing details emerge 17 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: about the crime, saying and well that's not all shocking. 18 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: Prison emails go back and forth between the suspect, mommies 19 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: live in lover, and they seemingly blow this case wide open. 20 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Madeline is thirteen years old. She has been missing since 21 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: eight thirty on Monday morning, when mom's boyfriend dropped her 22 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: off near Hunter's Creek Middle School. He dropped her off 23 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: actually near the Piece United Methodist Church on Town Boulevard. 24 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so she was supposed to be dropped off by school. 25 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Didn't make it to school, didn't make it a school. 26 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: I went to pick her up from school today and 27 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: she never came out. They announced it all the speaker, 28 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: and I'm just like, maybe she walked here, because sometimes 29 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: she'll walk here to this office. 30 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: I came here, nothing. I went back to the school. 31 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: We were closed. 32 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: I got to notice an. 33 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Email from the school saying she was absent, but I 34 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: also messaged. 35 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: Her teacher and you looked at her entire tennis. 36 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Today and saw that she was completely not at school 37 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: today either. So she never made it. Okay, what's her name? Madeline? 38 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm a d e O, I Annie, I'm a d 39 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: out any any last name? So ohto Yeah? Is it 40 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: just me? And my projecting word is everybody just a 41 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: little too calm? In that video, that's Madeline's mother and 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: the living standing behind her, like, what what? Why? Is 43 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: everybody so calm? Mattie is missing and she has been 44 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: missing for a considerable period of time. When that happens? Now, 45 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: hold on, I want you to think about what you 46 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: just saw with the backdrop of a new evidence we 47 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: are learning, and that is that Mommy's car went back 48 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: and forth to where Mattie's body was dumped before it 49 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: was discovered. Let that sink in Mommy's car went back 50 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: and forth between the home where little Mattie slept routinely 51 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: with Mommy's boyfriend alone to where her body was dumped. 52 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: It's caught on surveillance video. Who was driving it don't know, 53 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: but it was Mommy's car that I do know. Now 54 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: I want you to hear from the horse's mouth. 55 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: Listen, is this like, does she like have any places 56 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: that you guys know that she'll usually be at. 57 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 5: Any friend's house, any places like she has to hang 58 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 5: out or typically? 59 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: No, not typically? Okay, just give you one second. 60 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 6: Let me get some thank you for football. 61 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have any idea where she might be 62 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel to make sense of 63 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: what we know right now. First, I want to go 64 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: out to Shannon Butler, investigative reporter WFTV nine on this 65 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: case from the beginning and giving me a lot of 66 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: information I'm not getting from the outside looking in. Shannon, 67 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Shannon. In addition to disturbing, 68 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: disturbing descriptions and details are getting about the crime scene, 69 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm floored about how often the suspect, which some people 70 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: are describing as Maddie's stepdad, he's not her stepfather. Let's 71 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: just be clear about that. How many times he was 72 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: sleep in the bed with her. But that's a whole 73 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: other can of worms. I want to talk about the evidence, 74 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: the evidence regarding Mommy's car, going back and forth. Then 75 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: we'll get to all of Sterns, the suspect, the murder suspect, 76 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: all of his emails whining from behind bars about his food, 77 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: his mattress, the walls, and his cell really really, But 78 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: first let's talk about that car. What do we know 79 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: about that vehicle? 80 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 7: Listen shocking new revelations in the Mattie Sodo murder investigation. 81 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 7: Investigators release information about Stephan Sterns and tracking the silver 82 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 7: Lincoln he was driving. But now detectives say they tracked 83 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 7: another vehicle, a white Nissan om by Mattie's mother, Jennifer, 84 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 7: making an identical trip as was made in the Lincoln 85 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 7: from the apartment to where Maddie's body was found. Detectives 86 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 7: don't get a clean look at the driver, but the 87 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 7: Nissan was driven and from the apartment to the body 88 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 7: in the middle of the night, twelve hours after Stearns 89 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 7: was seen driving his Lincoln to the same area. 90 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Shannon Butler, joining US investigative reporter 91 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: WFTV nine, Shannon, what can you tell me about Mommy's 92 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: car going to the location where Maddie's body is ultimately found. 93 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: Well, we don't know who the driver is, and that, 94 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: of course is one of the biggest questions we get 95 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: right now is who's driving that car. The running theory 96 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: is that it was Stephen Sterns that went back to 97 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: the alleged scene of that crime. But there is so 98 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: much speculation and doubts surrounding Madeline Soto's mother that it's 99 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: hard for people not to question whether or not she 100 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: was behind the wheel and went back down to that 101 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: same location where Madelisoto's body was. At that point, that 102 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: body would have still been in that area because it 103 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: was days. 104 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: Later before they found her. 105 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: So it's hard for us because in theaters didn't get 106 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: a good look of the driver to figure out who 107 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: was behind the wheel. But there are a lot of 108 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: a lot of questions. Could it have been Jen Sodo? 109 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Shannon Butler, you just said, Shanna joining us WFTV nine, 110 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: you just said, with so much suspicion swirling around Maddie's mother, 111 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about thirteen year old Madeline Sotto found dead. 112 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: She had been sex assaulted. I was counting back the years, 113 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: maybe to age at age nine, that we're getting conflicting 114 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: reports on that by mommy's live in It's very difficult 115 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: for me to believe mommy had no idea what was 116 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: going on under her own roof, even sending her daughter 117 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: to bed with her living lover. Oh excuse me, he 118 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: alternated between the Soto home and his own mother. What 119 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: was he just living out in the basement there? Anyway, 120 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: so much suspicion around the mom, as we're hearing from 121 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: Shannon Butler, But the mom is not a suspect. The 122 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: mom is not a person of the interest at all. 123 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: It's entirely possible the suspect her boyfriend was driving her 124 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: car back to the scene. And you know, that's a 125 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: really interesting question to Tim Jansen joining US, high profile 126 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, former federal prosecutor, and analyst for the 127 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: Tallahassee Democrats newspaper, joining us from the Florida jurisdiction, Tim Jansen, 128 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: why do criminals go back circle back to the scene 129 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: of the crime? I always think of Scott Peterson. How 130 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: many times did he go back and look off into 131 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay where he dumped his wife Lacy and 132 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: their unborn son Connor. He's tracked. There was a GPS 133 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: monitor on his car, Ding Ding figure that out, and 134 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: they were tracking going back and forth where he would 135 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: stand gazing out there, what to see if her body 136 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: had washed up yet. And we're seeing the same thing here. 137 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: He goes back and forth to where Mallin's body is. 138 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 5: Why, well, you know, it's interesting. Brian Kohlberger did the 139 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 5: same thing after the Idaho murders. He was there the 140 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 5: next morning. They go either looking for their trophies, watching 141 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 5: what they did, or they're trying to cover up and 142 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 5: see if this crime has been disclosed. So the curiosity, 143 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 5: the adrenaline they get, maybe trying to cover something they 144 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: felt they forgot, or going back to see if the 145 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 5: police have found their bad deeds. 146 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: I think it's the adrenaline and they want to find 147 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: out who's looking. Have I been discovered? Coburger is a 148 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: very good example. And you know what else, Jansen, the 149 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: returning to the scene. A good defense attorney like you 150 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: will argue, well, that means nothing. Tell that to you, 151 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: was Juri. Okay, Jansen, go ahead and tell the jury 152 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: it means nothing when a suspect goes back and forth 153 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: to the scene of the crime and just stands there 154 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: and stares. Well, to me, I'm not a shrink, but 155 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: it means something to me. I'm getting off track. There's 156 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: so much happening in the Madeline Soto case right now. 157 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: I've got to get to all of it. But right now, 158 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: remember we're trying to determine who was driving Mommy's car 159 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: after Maddie goes missing and before her body is found, 160 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: back and forth to where the body is ultimately found. 161 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: She's got a device, so school should be. 162 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: It'll try to everybody's so calm. 163 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to speculate on why they're so calm 164 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: when Maddie missing. Let me go to an expert with me. 165 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: Robin Drake, behavior expert and former FBI special agent Wait 166 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: for it. He was the chief of FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral 167 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: Analysis Program and author of Sizing People Up, a veteran 168 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: FBI agent's manual for behavior prediction, and you can find 169 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: him at peopleformula dot com. Robindrake, I told you about 170 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: the time when I was looking for organic sun tanlation 171 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: in a baby superstore and I was like all down 172 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: on the very bottom shelf, bent over double looking to 173 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: try to find it. I turned around and there was Lucy, 174 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: but no John David. I started screaming. I put her 175 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: under my arm like a football and started running toward 176 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: the front of the store because there were all glass windows, screaming, 177 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: help me find my son. Lock the doors. My son 178 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: is lost. Okay, Hey, that's just me. So am I projecting? 179 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: Or Are these two calm as a cucumber? 180 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: No, you're absolutely right. 181 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 8: They are way too calm as a cucumber, as you say. 182 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 8: And the car and who's driving it, to me, is 183 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 8: a smaller part of a whole. 184 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 4: In this entire case. 185 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 8: I'm shocked that Madeline is the entire circle around her, 186 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 8: and that the mother hasn't been charged yet. Because this 187 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 8: to me, and every time we have a child that's 188 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 8: been abused, and every time we have a child that 189 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 8: looks like they may have been even part of something 190 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 8: greater than just one single pedophile, there's a I think 191 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 8: there's a network involved here, and I think there's gonna 192 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 8: be a lot of tendrils that go out, And I 193 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 8: think that's why the investigation is taken as long as 194 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 8: it has and there's as many witnesses going to be called, 195 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 8: because I've been involved with cases. 196 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: A minute up, Robin Drake, hold on just a moment. 197 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: What do you mean you think a network is involved. 198 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 8: So, every time you have a case like this, Nancy, 199 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 8: where you have a sexual potential sexual predator, if it's 200 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 8: a serial sexual predator, which he's been doing this a 201 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 8: number of years, says that he might be serial, you 202 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 8: can have an uppers of two to four hundred children 203 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 8: that have been affected, either through trafficking of their pornographic images. 204 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: Or of them themselves. 205 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 8: And so a lot of times these investigations take a 206 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 8: long time to ferret out who's actually involved. And so 207 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 8: every time you see a behavior arc of not just 208 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 8: the individual of Sterns, but a network of entire family 209 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 8: members potentially acting very nonchalant about this. It gives investigators 210 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 8: a lot of leads on where to potentially look to 211 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 8: see how far this network goes. 212 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Florida man gets twenty one 213 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: life sentences when he plays no contest to murder and 214 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: guilty to other counts. And the second abuse and murder 215 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: a little Maddie's Soto. What a piece of crap. I 216 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: thought for sure the state would seek the death penalty 217 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: in this case. But Stephan Stearns lives to breathe the 218 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: fresh air while Mattie's Soto is six feet under. Does 219 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: that sound right to you? I've got a problem with that. 220 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: And this is why thirteen year old Madeline Soto murdered. 221 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: Sexually abused by mom's boyfriend. And that's kind of putting 222 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: perfume on the pig, isn't it's sexually abused. We're talking 223 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: about dozens and dozens, I think, Shannon, how many sex 224 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: related videos and photos were found on Stern's as mommy's 225 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: boyfriend's phone? How many ballpark hundreds, hundreds. 226 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: Hundreds and hundreds there were videos, there were pictures. 227 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: Okay, and I think it's actually in this new data 228 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: dump we're getting, which of course you are the one 229 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: that alerted us to that, Shannon Butler, and thank you. 230 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: They're literally thousands, seventeen hundred explicit sex photos of Madeline, 231 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: thousands thousands on Stearn's phone. Where was a mommy when 232 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: all this was happening. Why do we know it's Madeline 233 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: that's the child victim on the phone, because in charging 234 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: documents and other data we have reviewed, the victim is 235 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: described as a child and the incidents, the rapes occurred 236 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: in the home Madeline's who is that it's a girl, 237 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: it's a child, and it's in Maddie's home, and it 238 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: Stearns who is charged now with sixty plus sex related charges, 239 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: So saying she was sex abuse, that hardly describes what 240 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: this child went through. Now we are also know that, 241 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: according to the documents we've just gotten huge data dump, 242 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: the molestations, these videos on his phone. Some reports are 243 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: that they go back to twenty nineteen. There are other 244 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: dates stated as well, twenty nineteen. She's thirteen when she's 245 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: murdered in twenty twenty four. This makes her eight or 246 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: nine years old when these videos started being taken of her. 247 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: So she's not just getting raped, she's not just getting 248 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: potentially sodomized. He's videoing it. How many times do you 249 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: use your husband's phone or you know, grab your child's phone. 250 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: You don't see anything on there when there's nearly two 251 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: thousand of these videos and photos. Okay, that said, take 252 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: a listen to this. 253 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 9: Stephen Stern slept with Madeline Soto and her mother on 254 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 9: a regular basis. Stern would sleep with Madeline without her 255 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 9: mother present, including the night before she was murdered. Jennifer 256 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 9: Soto tells Mattie she has a really bad headache and 257 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 9: tells Mattie to take Stephen Sterns and go sleep in 258 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 9: an upstairs bedroom. 259 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I got a headache too, and spreading to my teeth. 260 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: Now when I hear that, it wasn't just once in 261 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: a while, it was all the time, and that's not all. Listen. 262 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 9: Stephen Sterns and Madeleine Soto's mother, Jennifer, broke up briefly 263 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 9: in late twenty twenty three. Even while they are broken up, 264 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 9: Sterns would sleep at the Soto household in a bed 265 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 9: with Madeline, a woman who dates Sterns during his breakup 266 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 9: with Jennifer, claims Sterns told her he had to sleep 267 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 9: with Mattie cuddle with her so she could go to sleep. 268 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 9: The woman stopped talking to Sterns after he tells her 269 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 9: of waking up with an erection while in the bed 270 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 9: with the child. 271 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: Our Friendnicole Parton from Crime online dot Com really said 272 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: that like she's reading the weather report or the farmer's almanac. 273 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: Ho hold on just a moment, Shannon Butler joining me 274 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: WFTV nine No Offense and Cole Parton, But what did 275 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: I just hear? Did I just hear that? Even after 276 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: Steven Sterns, the murder suspect, had broken up with the mom, 277 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: what he broke up with her? Really? He would come 278 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: back to the home to sleep with little Maddie, to 279 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: cuddle her, to get her to sleep, and then he 280 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: tells the new girlfriend he would get erections in bed 281 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: with Maddie and it was so disgusting the woman broke 282 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: up with him. Did I just hear that? You did? 283 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: You? 284 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: Did hear it? 285 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: And we had even asked, like did that woman ever 286 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 3: report that to police, to anybody? And she didn't you 287 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: know at the time, I think she was just trying 288 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: to get away from him. But these are the things 289 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: that just continue to come up, and everybody in that 290 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: you know, interview process seems like this is just normal, right, well, 291 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: you know, she slept with she slept with them when 292 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 3: she needed to get to sleep. It which it was 293 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 3: very very strange for us hearing that about how like 294 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: this was just everyday business. 295 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just I really occasionally I'm a speechless and 296 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: this is one of those moments because I'm thinking about 297 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: the life that Manisoto endured in the home age eight 298 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: or nine, Mommy's boyfriend starts raping her. There's not a 299 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: nice way to say, oh, he slept in bed with her, 300 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: he cuddled her, they had sex. That is a lie. 301 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: That's rape under the law, and we cannot turn away 302 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: from the black and white letter of the law. A 303 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: child that age cannot consent to any type of sex conduct, 304 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: just like they can't go buy a car, or liquor 305 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: or cigarettes. They don't have the mental capacity to do that. 306 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Out joining me, Doctor Jury Crossing, renowned psychologist, faculty Saint 307 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: Leo University, consultant with a blue Wall Institute and you 308 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: can find him at doctor Jury j O r Ey 309 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: dot com doctor Jury. Does any woman really need a 310 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: man that badly? 311 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 6: Really? 312 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: Just let me think about it. My sister's a a 313 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: T shirt that said a man a woman needs a 314 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: man like a fish needs a bicycle, and that really 315 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: stuck with me at about age eight. So what is 316 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: a woman willing to do to keep a man? 317 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 6: Well, it goes to humility to locate or find a 318 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 6: woman and establish a relationship that has a child. Okay, 319 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 6: you see this in the pedophilia behavior numerous times, and 320 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 6: one thing you want to look at is the age 321 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 6: when this started and then and how it ended with 322 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 6: the homicide. They have preferred ages that they're attracted to 323 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 6: in that they will maintain a relationship with, But once 324 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 6: the child starts to age out through puberty or starting 325 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 6: to develop, they'll usually start to look for another access 326 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 6: to another child in their preferred age. That's a very 327 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 6: common pedophilic behavior. 328 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, I'm trying to decipher what you're saying, 329 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: doctor Jory Crawlsen, you're the strength. I'm just a JD. 330 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: But I think you're saying certain pedophiles go look specifically 331 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: to establish a relationship with a woman that has a 332 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: child the age in which they're interested. Is that what 333 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: you just said. That's correct, Yes, okay, And I appreciate that, 334 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: and it's a phenomenon I want to explore with you. 335 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: But I'm asking you how bad do you need a man? 336 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, after all, no offense to you, but what 337 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: what can they do that you can't do? Why do 338 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: you have to have him sleeping with your daughter under 339 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: your own roof? 340 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 6: Yeah? Let me let me address both of those. The 341 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 6: man has that ability to whatever it takes to provide 342 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 6: to the woman to get access to the child. He's 343 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 6: going to provide. 344 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: Provide what this guy didn't even work? Did he work? 345 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Hold on Shannon but or did this guy have a 346 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: job or did he basically hang out at his mom's 347 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: basement in his spare time? 348 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty much what he did. He played a 349 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: lot of gets. 350 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: So what does he bring it to the table? Nothing? 351 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: Why does she need him? Back to my question, what 352 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: is wrong with these women that they keep child molesters 353 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: in the home. 354 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 6: I've seen hundreds of those cases, and you know, even 355 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 6: I've looked at the lethality of living boyfriends to children, 356 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 6: and it just it's phenomenal because mothers don't protect their children. 357 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 6: You know, I'm in Florida, this case is in Florida. 358 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 6: I'm in a different judicial circuit. But we have regularly 359 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 6: charged mothers with failure to protect. 360 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: You know what, that's exactly the charge, That's exactly the 361 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: charge I'm thinking of doctor Jory Crawsen, failure to protect. Again. 362 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: Mattie's mother has not been named, a suspect, has not 363 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: been named, a person of interests. The reason we're even 364 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: talking about her right now is because her car spotted 365 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: on video going back and forth to where Mattie's body 366 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: thirteen years old, it's found just dumped, dumped. Remember this, 367 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: Remember Maddie kept telling all of her friends when she 368 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: turned thirteen she wanted to leave home and go live 369 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: in the woods. I wonder why listen are missing persons? 370 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: Detectives responded to take over the investigation, so they did 371 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: interviews with mom, mom's boyfriend, Malan's friends from school. We 372 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: were able to access Madelin's phone and there is information 373 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 2: on the phone. 374 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: They indicated that she. 375 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: Told people when she turned thirteen, which was on February 376 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: twenty second, she actually wanted to go live in the woods, 377 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: so that was in her phone. 378 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 7: Investigators believe the female seen at seven thirty six am 379 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 7: and the surveillance video in the front passenger seat of 380 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 7: Stephan Stern's vehicle is Madelein Soto's dead body propped up 381 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 7: and buckled into the seat to appear as a living person, 382 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 7: but closer inspection of the video shows her head leaning 383 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 7: toward her shoulder with her mouth open. Stens is caught 384 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 7: on surveillance video again at eight nineteen am when he 385 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 7: is seen entering the front security gate of the neighborhood 386 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 7: with a female in the same position as the surveillance 387 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 7: video captured at seven thirty six am. 388 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to gloss over that as we race 389 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: towards the newest developments, including the suspect, Mommy's boyfriend whining 390 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: behind bars about his mattress, his food, not having the 391 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: right spoon, the walls in his cell. We also have 392 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: emails that are emerging from his mom back and forth 393 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: to him, knowing full well they're going to be read 394 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: about how somebody else ate she is involved, more crime 395 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: scene details that reveal the nature of this crime. But 396 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: to Shannon Butler, joining me WFTV. I don't want to 397 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: gloss over the fact that Madeline's dead body, this thirteen 398 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: year old girl that has been being raped and sodomized 399 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: since age is eight or nine, under mommy's nose, her 400 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: dead body is propped up and buckled into the car. 401 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: Did I get that right, Shannon Butler? Yeah, And that 402 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: was part of his story, right. 403 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: So he goes in and out of that apartment complex, 404 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: which they did in the morning, on the way to school, 405 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 3: so that way, if any of the neighbors or anything saw, 406 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: it wouldn't be unusual for Madeline to be buckled into 407 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 3: the seat. What he said to us and investigators is 408 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: that she slept on the way to school, so he 409 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 3: was working that. It appears into his story about how 410 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: he took her to school and she was asleep. But 411 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: he did, I mean, according to investigators, the buckle that 412 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: seatbelt and let her sit there leaned over. It's just unbelievable, really, 413 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 3: I mean. 414 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: Tim Jansen, criminal defense attorney, he is actually taaloring a 415 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: very intricate lie stating that Mattie fell asleep on the 416 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: way to school to cover up the fact that she's 417 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: leaned over with her eyes closed because she's dead. 418 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, science technology is going to undermine the cameras that 419 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 5: were seen. Clearly, this guy's the evidence on the phone. 420 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 5: He's a pedophile. He committed a sexual terrorism on this child. 421 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: The mother. 422 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 5: I certainly had to know something or see something. The 423 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 5: apartment was very small, and to allow a child to 424 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 5: sleep in the bed at that age is just It 425 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 5: seems more like Maddie was an annoyance to the mother 426 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 5: than her actual daughter. 427 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: Guys, what more are we learning now? Well, for one thing, 428 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: and I'm going to circle back to doctor eric Ason 429 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: regarding the years years of sex abuse. How that can 430 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: be determined from an autopsy or if it can be determined. 431 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: But DeShannon Butler, I want to talk about his whiny 432 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: emails from behind prison walls. He complains about everything from 433 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: his mattress behind bars, not getting enough food. I have 434 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: never felt a full stomach and have in fact forgotten 435 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: what that is like. Really, there's never a time these 436 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: days when I don't feel hungry. Have you heard of 437 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: the vending machine? The sale is small and filthy? Well, 438 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: how is your mom's basement? You can still be living 439 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: there if you had and murdered Mattie. The mat is 440 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: flat and has very little cushion left. I bet it 441 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: was nothing compared to sleeping in the bed with Maddie. 442 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: Those are a few things you can think about Stern's 443 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: before you send any more emails. Shannon Butler, what is 444 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: this guy saying from behind bars? You know that wasn't 445 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: the first time. 446 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 3: Right when he was being transferred between jails, really early on, 447 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: he first started complaining about that first night that he 448 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: spent in jail, that he had to use the toilet 449 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: paper roll as his pillow. That was the beginning of 450 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: his complaints. So we expected when we saw his emails 451 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: that he would start complaining more about how the treatment 452 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: is there and that how it's you know, it's not 453 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: so comfortable behind. 454 00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: Bars, Okay, Robin Drake, former FBI special Agent expert behavioral analysis. Robin, 455 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: as soon as we finish on air, I want you 456 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: to run right down to the jail with an allergen free, puffy, 457 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: bouncy pillow so he can get a good night's sleep. 458 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: What he can't sleep because of his pillow. He shouldn't 459 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: be able to sleep because Maddie is dead and he's 460 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: whining about his pillow. You know, this isn't the first time, Drake, 461 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: that I've seen a murder of defendants and later convicted 462 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: whine about their pillow, their food, their diet, their amount 463 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: of exercise. He's charged with a murder, and in my mind, 464 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: a lot fewer sex charges than are established, because if 465 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: I've got two thousand, two nearly two thousand photos and 466 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: videos and most of them of this little girl on 467 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: his phone, he needs to be charged with every single 468 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: one of them, and when he's convicted, they all need 469 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: to run consecutively. There and he's talking about his pillow, Drake. 470 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I also don't think it's going to be 471 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 8: the only person they find. 472 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 4: He's done this too. He don't go from zero to 473 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 4: one hundred in this. 474 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 8: Kind of case, because he's going to have a track 475 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 8: record establish of this. 476 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: He's got a lifetime pattern of self centeredness and me me. 477 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 8: Me, all his primal urges and despicable behaviors. I've obviously 478 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 8: been placated for such a long time that he's got 479 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 8: a level of expectation that the world will continue to 480 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 8: service him, and it just leaks out of him at 481 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 8: every single turn. And so that's what we're seeing in 482 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 8: the jailhouse. That's what we're seeing in all these communications, 483 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 8: and he's completely shocked that he doesn't happen. 484 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: What about this? Do you see a pattern of behavior 485 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: of getting taken care of and whining and expecting everything 486 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: to be handed to you. I mean, he's still technically 487 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: even though he's living with Madeline Soto's mother and their apartment, 488 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: which a lot of people thought this was a home, 489 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: it's an apartment, which makes it much smaller. My point is, 490 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: how could she not know what was happening. He's living 491 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: with her, and he's living with his mother, He's not working. 492 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: What is he doing? Everyone is giving him a place 493 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: to stay, food to eat. I don't know how he 494 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: made his car payment. Maybe mommy made the payment for him. 495 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: But now same thing, same behavior, carrying over behind bars 496 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: wine wine wine. 497 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you hit it exactly right, Nancy. 498 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 8: It is his lifetime behavior pattern, behavior arc of complete 499 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 8: self centerness and narcissism, and it plays out in everything, 500 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 8: and even with his girlfriend that he had dated briefly. 501 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 8: He's testing that water by saying, hey, I slept and 502 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 8: had an erection with this little girl. You know, I 503 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 8: think that's a test to say, hey could I manipulate 504 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 8: you into my circle because she's aging now. I mean, 505 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 8: it's a lot of conjecture in my part, I know. 506 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 8: But at the same time, though, this is what he 507 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 8: does to his entire environment. He manipulates it for his 508 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 8: own gain, and he's got such lifetime reps out as it. 509 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 8: He looks completely fluid and natural doing it, because this 510 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 8: isn't his first time in life or is his first 511 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 8: rodeo doing this. 512 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Stephan Stern's age thirty nine, 513 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: gets twenty one life sentences which will run concurrently or 514 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: at the same time, so I'm not that impressed. Concurrently 515 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: means he's got one life sentence. One life sentence. What 516 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: do we know about Maddie's death? Two thousand explicit videos, 517 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: many the majority. We understand Stephan sterns performing sex sex 518 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: on a child that lives in Mattie's Soto's home to 519 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: doctor a Eson. Doctor airy Esen is a renowned board 520 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: certified forensic pathologist a consultant doctor Aeson. We know that 521 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: her body was discarded out of the open, but in 522 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: an obscure area, which is not hard to find in Florida. 523 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of untamed land swamps inlets in Florida. 524 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: How can a medical examiner tell if this was the 525 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: first time Madeline had been raped or not. And with 526 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: her body lying out in the elements for several days, 527 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: would that preclude such a determination. 528 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 10: Well, that's going to make it tough. If the body's 529 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 10: been there for a couple of days and in the 530 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 10: heat in Florida, you're going to have the evidence of decomposition, 531 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 10: which is going to obscure some of the findings that 532 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 10: you're going to have an autopsy. But during the autopsy, 533 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 10: we're going to determine the cause death, but also assess 534 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 10: for evidence of sexual assault, and so evidence of the 535 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 10: acute sexual assault would occur when the swabs are placed 536 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 10: in the various rifices to check for a DNA that's 537 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 10: there to compare from the DNA from the suspect. 538 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: Please do not say that, doctor Ason. We don't all 539 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: have medical degrees like you do. When you say they're 540 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: going to put swab, they're going to swab Mattie's orifices. 541 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: You are talking about euphemistically describing her mouth, her vagina, 542 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: and her anus to see if she was right. Told 543 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: on Shannon Butler WFTV. How long do we think that 544 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: Mattie was lying out in the elements before her body 545 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: was found? How many days? 546 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 3: I think it was five days? 547 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was four, but let's go with five, 548 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: doctor Ason. How would five days down the elements affect 549 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: the determination of inter orifices such as vagina or anus. 550 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 10: I mean you can still insert the swabs and collect 551 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 10: any evidence. As time goes on further, it's going to 552 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 10: be less have less of an ability to collect that. 553 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 10: I think you're also asking about remote sexual assault and 554 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 10: that's going to be very tough to determine after five 555 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 10: days out in the elements like this, Can I. 556 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: Just boil it down, Dodger Ason? In a rape kit, 557 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: I know that if there is vagual tearing, if there 558 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: is bleeding inside the vagina or the anus, that may 559 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: suggest a recent rape. 560 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 4: That's right. 561 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: How would you be able to tell if her body 562 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: had been found immediately whether she had been raped in 563 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: the past. 564 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 10: Well, you can look for evidence of old bruising or 565 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 10: old abrasions. When bruises start to age, the color will change, 566 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 10: and so if you find evidence of a yellow and 567 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 10: a bruise, that indicates the bruise as older as compared 568 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 10: to an acute bruise, so you can check for that. 569 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 10: That's definitely one way to check for like an older 570 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 10: type sexual assault. 571 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: So we may not be able to tell from her 572 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: body that she had endured molestation for years if it 573 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: weren't for this idiot's phone that reveals these thousands of photos. 574 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: To Shannon Butler WFTV nine, I want you to listen 575 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: to this emails between the murder suspect and his mother 576 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: in which she suggests someone else, a female, is involved. 577 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 7: Listen, Stern's mother is saying things like quote, we all 578 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 7: know Blank was heavily involved in this, and I am 579 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 7: disgusted that she's free and you are not. When this 580 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 7: is not all your fault. You need to think about 581 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 7: yourself more and her less. She's isn't thinking of you 582 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 7: and how she can help you right now that whole 583 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 7: family is willing to stay quiet and let you take 584 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 7: the fall for everything. 585 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: Shannon Butler, the FTV nine, What well, I. 586 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: Think that we expected some of this from his family members, 587 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 3: that they would start putting some of the eyes back 588 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 3: on Jen Soto. What we didn't know is if he 589 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 3: had told them something that we didn't We didn't know 590 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 3: yet about if she was involved, or if she wasn't involved, 591 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 3: or if they're just doing this as the show. Right, 592 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 3: everybody knows these things become public and that everybody would 593 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 3: be able to see what they were saying. But this 594 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 3: was not a surprise to any of us who have 595 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 3: been working this story that the family would start to 596 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 3: raise some questions about Jen Soto and if he was 597 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 3: taking the fall for her well. 598 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 7: The search for Metalinoto is ongoing. Investigators ask if they 599 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 7: can take a look at Stephan Stern's phone. Sterns then 600 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 7: informs the detectives he accidentally performed a factory reseat on 601 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 7: the phone the same day Mattie went missing. A factory 602 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 7: reset can't be done on accident, has to be delivered 603 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 7: as it requires multiple steps by the user to ensure 604 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 7: that it doesn't happen by accident. Thousands of images, sexual photos, 605 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 7: and videos, mostly of Madeline, were recovered and led to 606 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 7: the sixty additional charges against Stephen Stern's. 607 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: Over sixty charges, but over nineteen hundred explicit videos and photos. 608 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: I want to find out something else. She had a 609 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: butler or VESSI had a reporter, WFTV nine. This is 610 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: an apartment, not a home as many people thought. So 611 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: how big is the apartment? I'm trying to gauge what 612 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: was going on and what the mom should have known, 613 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: do you know. 614 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 3: Well, it's not very big. It's kind of like a townhouse. 615 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 3: So there's an upstairs and a downstairs. But there were 616 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 3: other people, like the night of her disappearance or murder, 617 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 3: there were other people in the home. But there was 618 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 3: you know, there was a there was bedrooms upstairs, but 619 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 3: there was also some kind of makeshift kind of bedroom 620 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 3: that was kind of cordoned off downstairs, and there was 621 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 3: a lot of question about if that's where where you know, 622 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 3: Madeline was sometimes laying. So the home is very small. 623 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: If you're talking about what could you hear or not 624 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 3: hear in some kind of house, it is it is 625 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 3: fairly small. I mean it's an average town hall. 626 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 4: You know. 627 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: I want to ask you something else before we sign off. 628 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: It's my understanding that Maddie's friends tell police that Maddie 629 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: was constantly being texted and called by Stern. Stephan Stern 630 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: the boyfriend back to Robin Drake. That's textbook. It's classic. 631 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: I trust my children but when I see them on 632 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,919 Speaker 1: the phone all the time or they're on a video 633 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: all the time, I go, who you're talking to? Who's that? 634 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: Don't you think it's odd? Nobody wondered why the boyfriend 635 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: was constantly calling this little girl and texting her. 636 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, constantly isolating her, controlling her environment. That's what these 637 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 8: horrible sexual predators do. And that's exactly what he was 638 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 8: doing Maddie the entire time, you know. And as for 639 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 8: the mother making those comments via text too or in 640 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 8: an email, I don't care what it is. You know, 641 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 8: as an investigator, put my investigator hat on for a second. 642 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 8: If you're opening your mouth like that, I'm now looking 643 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 8: at you too. So I think this is a network 644 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 8: of really important behavior by a lot of people, and 645 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 8: he just happens to be to point to the spirit 646 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 8: we're going to take down first, and I think we're 647 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 8: going to save a lot of people in this one. 648 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm hoping doctor Jory Crausen, renowned psychologists joining US faculty 649 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: Saint Leo University. Another thing is I noticed that Stefan 650 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: Stern states that he was the one who would comfort 651 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: little Maddie when she would get into an argument. With 652 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: her mom. Okay, there you go, coming between the child 653 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: and her parent. That's text book doctor Jory. Yes, it is. 654 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 6: It's that dependent personnelity. I will pay that on the mother. 655 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 6: I mean she's very dependent. Also, you can see that 656 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 6: relationship in the dynamics where she readily turns anything over 657 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 6: to him dealing with the daughter. You know, it's not 658 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 6: a good attachment in bonding, maternal bonding. 659 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: There Stepan Stearns gets in my mind a very light 660 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: sentence in court. Yeah, the headlines all say twenty one 661 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: life sentences, but it was what it boils down to 662 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: is one life sentence because they're running concurrently at the 663 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: same time. Mattie Soto rest in peace, beautiful girl. Nancy 664 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: Grace signing off goodbye friend.