Speaker 1: Hold open, Hold open, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I do like the first question I had for you,
Speaker 2: because I know you've been like unplugged. I was like,
Speaker 2: but like, do you know about the Luca thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not. I mean I'm unplugged
Speaker 1: in the sense that I I can't. I have no
Speaker 1: mental bandwidth aside from navigating the crisis, which sucks because
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: what sucks anymore. That's the thing. You don't know what
Speaker 1: fucking sucks, what's terrible anymore? Right, But I mean, best believe,
Speaker 1: like my phone was fucking exploding with texts. Second, yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff caveat. Hey Bro, I know
Speaker 1: you're going through a lot right now. Hey ron Bro,
Speaker 1: I know, shit, it's crazy right now. But just just
Speaker 1: so you know, lucas a Laker now. I was like,
Speaker 1: once I saw that the text coming from Jabari, and
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, Javari was first, you know, is gonna be
Speaker 2: the first person who tells us anything.
Speaker 1: It's our shams or no, no disrespect, he's our woch.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, exactly, that don't disrespect Jabari like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was just a fucking I'm still we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it. What the fuck? This is? Maybe some
Speaker 1: kind of lead conspiracy.
Speaker 2: But it's so strange, it's so strange. But you know
Speaker 2: you've made a good move when every immediately people are
Speaker 2: making up conspiracy theories about the trade you made. First
Speaker 2: disbelief in every front, like both Lakers and Mavericks, then
Speaker 2: exactly and.
Speaker 1: Then check check check check.
Speaker 2: And then just immediate conspiracy theories, some of which I've
Speaker 2: dove in on and seen.
Speaker 1: The most likely one is the horse trading behind the
Speaker 1: scenes with Adelson. Yeah, and the and the move to Vegas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that just seems because like why keep it so secret? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they said, hey, Lucas for.
Speaker 2: Sale, they would be blooded.
Speaker 1: Aside from a D, we don't have anything.
Speaker 2: You don't have ship. We don't ship, man, we don't
Speaker 2: got ship.
Speaker 1: With the amount of picks places like okay, see have Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do it for a D, Max Christi and a
Speaker 1: fucking pick.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't know if anybody's gonna
Speaker 2: know what any of this ship means, Like it sticks
Speaker 2: like do it sings like it does it does sting
Speaker 2: like doo dooo.
Speaker 1: In fact, but I mean, James Carvo Do Doo special.
Speaker 2: There's a James Covell do Do saying coming straight out
Speaker 2: of Dallas Republican Doodoo. Hello the Enner, and welcome to
Speaker 2: this week trend edition of Dirtily Like guyst Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yah yaes is me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is me?
Speaker 1: I'm me.
Speaker 2: Babe.
Speaker 1: We have to already acknowledge the fure.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sorry, that something that's changed since you've been gone.
Speaker 2: We do have to acknowledge my future up top. My
Speaker 2: name is Jack O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 2: once again by mister Miles.
Speaker 1: House is just some rubble. Hey now, hey, now you're
Speaker 1: co host back in the shower this morning. Sorry, folks,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be real.
Speaker 2: Go from here, Hi.
Speaker 1: Sh I mean I just up top, well fucking to
Speaker 1: thank you so much to everybody, Jack, to you, to Brian,
Speaker 1: to Victor, to Bay to Justin, to Catherine to Anna,
Speaker 1: to fucking everybody at the network, to fucking Zeitgang. I
Speaker 1: cannot tell you. I mean, I'm sure you guys can
Speaker 1: imagine how difficult it is to have your material life
Speaker 1: literally go up in flames, but the outpouring of love
Speaker 1: and support both like emotional and material has been so overwhelming.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really at a loss for words. I
Speaker 1: was like her Massey and I we were looking at
Speaker 1: all the messages from the listeners and we were so
Speaker 1: overwhelmed to just really get an idea of just how
Speaker 1: big this community is that we've cultivated from the show,
Speaker 1: like just connecting y'all to each other, you guys connecting
Speaker 1: to us. I'm I'm so humbled and I never thought
Speaker 1: in a million years that I would need this kind
Speaker 1: of help. I would never be in a situation where
Speaker 1: I was really needing to lean on people, and the
Speaker 1: manner in which people have come through made it very
Speaker 1: easy to do. And I'm still just in disbelief out
Speaker 1: of everything. But I just want to say, zey gang,
Speaker 1: whenever you see me, please come up to me, because
Speaker 1: I love all of y'all. I know y'all love us,
Speaker 1: but I want to be able to show that to
Speaker 1: you too as much as I can, because this has
Speaker 1: been the craziest fucking three weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you're just You're the other side of it.
Speaker 2: You're loved and it's all well deserved, which I know
Speaker 2: is always one of the hardest things to see from
Speaker 2: your own perspective. But you know, just like.
Speaker 1: The crazy shit is like you know, your your house
Speaker 1: burns down and you're kind of in like the craziest
Speaker 1: form of denial over it. To start off, like I
Speaker 1: was telling you when you're like hey, man, like you know,
Speaker 1: we're thinking about like what's the best way to help.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're good, dude, We'll be on, We'll
Speaker 1: be on.
Speaker 2: I mean I was reaching out like day one though,
Speaker 2: so like that's yeah, I think, And continually you checked,
Speaker 2: you kept yeah, yeah, you're a good friend like many
Speaker 2: of my friends do.
Speaker 1: Hey, dude, just checking. Is there anything how you doing?
Speaker 2: And we're gonna be We're gonna I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: maybe a cast roll or something down the road a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks right now.
Speaker 1: Fine, I have no home, I have no childcare, I
Speaker 1: have no hair, I have no hats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your hair did so I do want it for
Speaker 2: people who don't watch the videos of the show. Uh,
Speaker 2: just you know, my Miles had a gorgeous head of.
Speaker 1: Hair, unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It was like now it's all gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hairline was so strong. Across Jaalen Rose was asking
Speaker 1: me what my exactly give me the miles is that
Speaker 1: it's real, Jalen like you, but yeah, it's where was
Speaker 1: I all that to say? This is crazy? Oh? And
Speaker 1: just like the hell I mean, we talked about this
Speaker 1: on the show a lot, Like it's very difficult to
Speaker 1: ask for help a lot of the times, I think,
Speaker 1: just generally and especially in American culture, like we're so
Speaker 1: fucking bootstrappy in a weird way. But it's funny how
Speaker 1: like the people who are in the midst of it
Speaker 1: can't really see how intense the tragedy is, whereas everyone
Speaker 1: from the outside could acknowledge it. Yeah, even if they
Speaker 1: don't understand it like very innately, like they do understand
Speaker 1: what the stakes are here. And yeah, like I mean
Speaker 1: I was just in pure state of like shell shock
Speaker 1: for probably like ten days. Sure you trying to figure
Speaker 1: it all out, But anyway, I don't know what happened
Speaker 1: the last three weeks. I know Elon Musk is trying
Speaker 1: to blame autism on Nazism or there's a correlation there,
Speaker 1: a laker.
Speaker 2: That one is that So this is our first recording
Speaker 2: since that one happened, And truly that feels like the
Speaker 2: most surreal story because probably just because of like it
Speaker 2: says something bad about me that that's the story that
Speaker 2: really fucking the most.
Speaker 1: Hest deportations, the lawful roundups, the violation of even American citizens' rights.
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, but how the fuck how the
Speaker 1: Lakers did they do that? That for that? So anyway,
Speaker 1: it's good to be back.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this in the overet underrated. Please
Speaker 1: bear with me, folks. I'm I'm trying to regain a
Speaker 1: sense of normalcy, like amidst this crisis. Anyway, everything's just
Speaker 1: up in the air. I'm I'm I'm trying my best
Speaker 1: to be back here. You know. Every day. Yeah, I may,
Speaker 1: I may. I may have to pop out every now
Speaker 1: and then to deal with existential crises that do pop up.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's going to be back. I'm done talking
Speaker 1: about that for now. But guess what, it's gonna keep
Speaker 1: coming up because that's what's going on with me and
Speaker 1: again everybody. I cannot I just I can't keep thanking
Speaker 1: the listeners enough for just checking in for all the
Speaker 1: offers for like lodging places near and far, all from
Speaker 1: Canada to the Midwest, to the East Coast to up
Speaker 1: and down the West Coast. I'm just so fucking blown away,
Speaker 1: and I'm so I'm just so happy that this is
Speaker 1: like the energy of the people that listen to our show,
Speaker 1: and this is the culture that we're cultivating through this
Speaker 1: show because I see what's happening on some other fucking
Speaker 1: podcasts nowadays and that I don't see empathy like that,
Speaker 1: uh from from from those people, And like, so you
Speaker 1: guys are fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you eternally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about some fuck shit.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a plant, all right. So this is the episode,
Speaker 2: the Monday episode where we tell you what was trending
Speaker 2: over the weekend. First, we let you get to know
Speaker 2: us a little bit better by telling you stuff we
Speaker 2: think is underrated, stuff we think is overrated. Why don't
Speaker 2: I kick us off with an underrated? So, by underrated
Speaker 2: is the idea of like having humility about how dumb
Speaker 2: you are. This is like, this is the big idea
Speaker 2: that got me into being into like philosophy when I
Speaker 2: was a freshman in college and heard, you know, after
Speaker 2: a lifetime of being around people with like really really
Speaker 2: strong faith about big, very uncertain things, I you know,
Speaker 2: intro to philosophy I hear this guy saying, brother, we
Speaker 2: don't know shit, and that guy, little guy by the
Speaker 2: name of Socrates, and yeah, I was like, that just
Speaker 2: seemed like the truest thing, just the how little we
Speaker 2: know being like the first thing that you're aware of,
Speaker 2: like the mystery of it all, how little we know
Speaker 2: about it all, making room for your own stupidity. And
Speaker 2: I'm I'm seeing it slightly lacking in a couple places
Speaker 2: these days. I'm seeing it lacking with like the accelerationists
Speaker 2: who are like, yeah, let's just fucking tear it all down.
Speaker 2: This is good that Trump is doing bad things and
Speaker 2: killing people, because that will lead to a better future sooner.
Speaker 2: It's just like, I don't know, I I guess, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just being really certain about some things you can't
Speaker 2: be possibly certain of. And then obviously a huge problem
Speaker 2: with authoritarianism itself, which like craves certitude over everything else,
Speaker 2: just like big sweeping actions that knock down cities as
Speaker 2: long as it like gives people something that they can
Speaker 2: like be temporarily not uncertain about. But mainly I'm seeing
Speaker 2: it with the Dallas Mavericks. Above all, the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing those fans. I am so sorry to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to even say the Dallas Mavericks
Speaker 2: their GM right, like the whoever made this decision for
Speaker 2: I'm like having to jam this into my under it
Speaker 2: like I I know, not everyone is an NBA fan
Speaker 2: who listens to TDZ mostar statistically, Yeah, I went to it,
Speaker 2: like my uh my kids and their friends all went
Speaker 2: to dog Man, the movie dog Man last night, the Man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the dog The dog Man cinematic film just came out
Speaker 2: and is doing By the way, bof o bo.
Speaker 1: Wow, don't you have an album coming out under the
Speaker 1: name dog Man X. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's dark
Speaker 1: and hell hot, I think it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the all DMX soundtrack to The dog Man.
Speaker 2: It's really My kids came out with a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bitches want hit a little bit different when it's
Speaker 1: an actual dog.
Speaker 2: So he's allowed to. Yeah, but yeah, so afterwards I
Speaker 2: missed dog Man. My wife took took them to dog Man,
Speaker 2: and then I came after and met up for dinner,
Speaker 2: and I was just like going down the line two
Speaker 2: different parents being like, do you like the NBA? Nope,
Speaker 2: moving on, do you like the NBA. Nope, thank you
Speaker 2: for your time. Do you like the NBA? Until I
Speaker 2: found somebody who could, and I was just like Luca, right,
Speaker 2: what what is what? Uh? Because I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: a startling move, I guess for people who aren't I saw,
Speaker 2: I saw it. Put in these terms, for people who
Speaker 2: aren't NBA fans, it would be like if Destiny's Child
Speaker 2: traded Beyonce to TLC for Chili like that, that's wow,
Speaker 2: link off to the And that's nothing against Chili, that's
Speaker 2: nothing against Anthony Davis, you know. Yeah, but like, uh,
Speaker 2: it's it was just a very you know, Loop just
Speaker 2: took the put the Dallas Mavericks on his back and
Speaker 2: took them to the finals last year, and now they
Speaker 2: just gave up on him halfway through this season. And
Speaker 2: the question is why. That was the question that immediately happened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the guy at Dallas claims that he like made the
Speaker 2: trade without asking any other NBA franchisees if they like
Speaker 2: wanted to trade for him, Like he basically this is
Speaker 2: a trade where he could have gotten so so so,
Speaker 2: so so so much from like, yeah, he's he's the
Speaker 2: best player, like everybody would want him he's like a
Speaker 2: player that is called untradeable and they traded him for
Speaker 2: like pennies on the dollar, and now the Lakers have
Speaker 2: him and a lot of it. Just you know, you've
Speaker 2: made a good decision when first of all, the first
Speaker 2: response to the news breaking is everyone immediately assures each
Speaker 2: other that the person reporting it has been hacked, which
Speaker 2: was the first like just everybody being like, no, that's
Speaker 2: not that's not a real story. And then everybody immediately
Speaker 2: just starts trying to come up with conspiracy theories about
Speaker 2: like why you would have possibly done this. But anyways,
Speaker 2: back to my theme of like being so certain, you know,
Speaker 2: like he was so certain that this made sense that
Speaker 2: like he had some secret information that I guess Luca
Speaker 2: is like hard to deal with behind the scenes and
Speaker 2: is like not good at staying in shape.
Speaker 1: But like we saw that clip where Michael Finley snatched
Speaker 1: that beer out of his hand, took.
Speaker 2: A beer out of his hands while they were celebrating
Speaker 2: the ship.
Speaker 1: So it but just that's like some shit where like
Speaker 1: in a you see that shit in a relationship where
Speaker 1: someone's like, Babe, I'm not going to drink tonight. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna drink tonight. We're gonna go out. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna drink tonight, right, And then she was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing this beer in your hand
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh what I just thought. I just thought because we
Speaker 2: were celebrating take you nowhere, that literally that was the
Speaker 2: energy as they were celebrating going to the final. So
Speaker 2: there was like trouble there. But like he he made
Speaker 2: such a like an indefensible decision, like indefensible in the
Speaker 2: sense that they're this produce, like what they got in exchange,
Speaker 2: just like doesn't doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: that he would keep it a secret. He was like,
Speaker 2: thank you to the Lakers for like keeping this on
Speaker 2: on the low with us for some reason, Like what
Speaker 2: why would they Why would you think that was the
Speaker 2: right thing to do? Keep it a secret. It's just
Speaker 2: so confusing. I wish he had read a little Socrates
Speaker 2: for the for the sake of the Dallas Mavericks and
Speaker 2: just been like, maybe it is I who is wrong
Speaker 2: and not literally everybody else in the world. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe focus group this one with just a handful
Speaker 2: of NBA fans before concluding, Nah, it's this it's the
Speaker 2: kids who are wrong. Mm hmm, it's everybody else. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we just I think it's valuable to have people with
Speaker 2: a healthy skepticism about their own ability to know.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. Sure, Just generally, I feel like
Speaker 1: in a social dynamic setting, the people who are a
Speaker 1: little bit more thinking, who are more contemplative and aren't
Speaker 1: jumping to conclusions immediately typically don't get like the momentum
Speaker 1: of people getting behind them right way, or someone goes,
Speaker 1: You're like, no, man, when need doing this this? Tear
Speaker 1: that down, destroy that, take that shit, turn it into
Speaker 1: the color blue that that's no longer as Yeah, that
Speaker 1: should be a mouse running everything. That kid back there,
Speaker 1: that's my smartest employee from another company I have now
Speaker 1: running through all the fucking payment systems of the goddamn government.
Speaker 1: That kind of shit allows like it's quirk that deficiency
Speaker 1: you have. Oddly enough gets the people who are thinking
Speaker 1: a little bit more sometimes like, well, it's better I'll
Speaker 1: just outsource my decision making this person. It seems that
Speaker 1: they yeah, figured out, I mean they're saying it so confidently,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and look at us now, could just.
Speaker 2: Be growth incompetence. H This is the guy who apparently
Speaker 2: so the GM of the Dallas Maavericks, is also a
Speaker 2: former Nike executive who has this legendary story where everybody's
Speaker 2: always like, why is Steph Curry signed with under Armour? Like,
Speaker 2: that's not even a shoe company. That's like a company
Speaker 2: that makes golf shirts for middle aged dads in the Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Area, Camo hoodies with the pink breast cancer logo. That's
Speaker 1: the weirdest combo of whenever you see the under Armoured
Speaker 1: Camo breast cancer awareness. Ay, I'm like, that's America though.
Speaker 2: And now they're a shoe company because Steph Curry signed
Speaker 2: with them. And if you want to know why Steph
Speaker 2: Curry signed with them, one of the stories is that
Speaker 2: he had a legendarily catastrophic meeting with Nike when Nike
Speaker 2: was like, we want to make you your own shoe
Speaker 2: and uh, a former Nike executive who is now the
Speaker 2: Gem of Dallas. I think God his name is he?
Speaker 2: The one him Stephen Seth called him Seth Seth, which
Speaker 2: is his brother's brother.
Speaker 1: Yes, who's not even close to being this the talent
Speaker 1: that Steph is, which is so crazy to me that
Speaker 1: you go in there, just like, just like you had
Speaker 1: a medium. Michael Jackson like, hey, Tito, Tito, like the
Speaker 1: fuck you know who the fuck I what are you
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 2: Okay, they called him Seth showed him a presentation that
Speaker 2: was clearly designed for Kevin Durant's, like one of the
Speaker 2: other sweat under Armour, because that's a Maryland company and
Speaker 2: they were they were trying to work there.
Speaker 1: Maryland cred with Kevin Durant at the time.
Speaker 2: Anyway, It's yeah, hey, you can might just might just
Speaker 2: be gross incompetence, but it also just feels like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, let's be less certain of our of our
Speaker 2: bad decisions running up the chain. Folks just might move wrong.
Speaker 1: What's odd enough? This has been one of the few
Speaker 1: times I've been ashamed as a Laker fan for getting
Speaker 1: a player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, oh man, yeah, usually this is what
Speaker 2: Laker fans expect. Laker fans are just like.
Speaker 1: If you listen to Boosy's last season, I was like,
Speaker 1: come home, Luca, come home Luca, right, but you were
Speaker 1: saying it as a bit I mean, I say that
Speaker 1: as like with my Lakers arrogance. But then I'm like,
Speaker 1: now I sound like homegirling matrix because I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: like this, not like this. I didn't I don't want
Speaker 1: that for y'all. No, no, no, but anyway, yeah, here
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 2: Anyways, you'll be enjoying it for the next decade. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like something like it. But like even
Speaker 2: the question, like people are like, all right, if he
Speaker 2: has a terminal illness, this makes sense. But then like
Speaker 2: you'd have to go through a physical Yeah, you go
Speaker 2: through physical, the trade will be ruined, like the trade
Speaker 2: wouldn't actually happen, so like that, even that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Look, this is I'm I'm guessing there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: textures that emerge from this that will be very very
Speaker 1: eye opening. Or we'll also see that casuals everything around us.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. One of the theories is the Andlesen family
Speaker 2: who took over ownership last year. Basically they want to
Speaker 2: turn the Dallas Sports Arena into a casino and they're
Speaker 2: having trouble getting it through the Texas legislature. And also
Speaker 2: Dallas is too good to like threaten to move them,
Speaker 2: and that's like one of the ways that people leverage
Speaker 2: professional sports franchises, being like well, we'll move you to
Speaker 2: a different place. And so they're threatening to move them
Speaker 2: to Las Vegas. So the theory is that they're just
Speaker 2: doing the plot from Major League and yeah, you know
Speaker 2: Tank god job.
Speaker 1: He got blown out by I think forty three points
Speaker 1: against the Calves. Yeah too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy. They're down like sixty at one point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that halftime score. I was like, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: y'all they already have ninety points.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, also something he thinks under it under raided pop corners.
Speaker 2: Ever had corners?
Speaker 1: And they're like they're like rice cakes flattened into like
Speaker 1: Dorito's style triangles.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I have had the kettle.
Speaker 1: Corn flavor specifically. So I got a bag of these
Speaker 1: as a part of Sorry your House Burned Down gift
Speaker 1: bag shout out to the That was a great gift
Speaker 1: bag though, because I don't know if it's the trauma
Speaker 1: or the flavor, but I love these things now. They
Speaker 1: are fucking so good. I bought the biggest fucking I
Speaker 1: went to the store about the biggest fucking bag, and
Speaker 1: I got through half of that so quickly. I almost
Speaker 1: felt like someone who like turns into a werewolf from
Speaker 1: like I need to chain myself.
Speaker 2: To a radiator, so I get away from these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like like Seth Green and Buffy the Vampires
Speaker 1: Layer like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: Like I can't like when I when I, when I
Speaker 1: do the thing where I'm time traveling through snacking, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: something's up, something, let's not let's.
Speaker 2: Let's in here for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then to bring it back to the fire again,
Speaker 1: just underrated. How intense the trauma of your house burning
Speaker 1: down is. I must say, the whole moment is surreal. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not the same. I don't know when I will
Speaker 1: be the same. My assumptive reality, you know, the presumed
Speaker 1: future for my family has completely is in literal ashes.
Speaker 1: That's very jarring and in a way, I don't know
Speaker 1: it like it's hardened me in a hopefully the right
Speaker 1: ways to sort of face the challenges that life is
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, throwing our way just for
Speaker 1: the coming decades. But like the part about like you know,
Speaker 1: moving to a place like obviously my kid grew up here,
Speaker 1: maybe kids who knows whatever that to for that that
Speaker 1: vision to be completely wiped out of your mind completely,
Speaker 1: because look, alta Dina is gone, like it's gone. The
Speaker 1: blocks around me are fully flattened, Like you can look
Speaker 1: your line of sight uninterrupted because of the lack of
Speaker 1: structures there is. It's fucking it's freaky. So that's just
Speaker 1: been a huge mind fuck. I don't recommend it if
Speaker 1: you if you can avoid it, please do.
Speaker 2: It ranked pretty low on trip Advisor for things to
Speaker 2: do in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, b present for l once in a one
Speaker 1: hundred years windstorm that then exacerbates wildfire. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: will say, but the other part of that too, is
Speaker 1: just amidst all of that. Like again, like I said
Speaker 1: up top, what we've been shown is so wild, like
Speaker 1: it's it's just I'm feeling like both extremes at the
Speaker 1: same time, like of extreme loss and extreme gratitude for
Speaker 1: what I have that I'm just trying to I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get to the middle ish. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: a because like you always see shit like this and
Speaker 1: like the movies, you know, this is us that TV show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that famously burnt their house burned down a
Speaker 1: crockpot fire. But there's like a I don't know, they
Speaker 1: don't even know how to articulate it. It's just crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's crazy, But I'm just glad. I'm like trying,
Speaker 1: like I'm We've got like a place to stay, thank god,
Speaker 1: and we're not getting price gouged, thank god. Because the
Speaker 1: fucking LA is filled with pieces of shit and also
Speaker 1: the greatest people at this I feel like any place
Speaker 1: in America, it's simultaneous as like some of the biggest
Speaker 1: pieces of shit and also mostly the nicest human beings
Speaker 1: I've ever been around. So those things are like settled,
Speaker 1: and now that like we have a sense of like
Speaker 1: stability to operate from like shelter and like childcare, like
Speaker 1: you know, the guy's child is now in a place
Speaker 1: where he can go and like sort of build new relationships.
Speaker 1: Now that those things are there, like I feel like
Speaker 1: I can really put my feet down and start doing
Speaker 1: this shit again. But anyway, and so I am so
Speaker 1: feels good. Feels good. It feels good, and I look,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm gonna make weird jokes about my house
Speaker 1: burning down because that's how I process things. I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you listen to the show. I've never been able
Speaker 1: to hold my tongue, and I make bad timing jokes
Speaker 1: as it relates to trauma. That's just how I process things,
Speaker 1: and hopefully it makes a little bit easier for y'all
Speaker 1: because it makes it easier for me. It will allow it.
Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 2: come back. We'll do our overrateds and get to a
Speaker 2: couple of new stories.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back, all right. Uh so we did our
Speaker 2: underrated right. Underrated was humility trauma of having your house
Speaker 2: burned down? Yeah, powner, sorry, sorry, it doesn't mean to look.
Speaker 1: At pop corners houseburd down trauma. That's right, all right?
Speaker 2: Overrated. Uh. I gotta give it to my skills as
Speaker 2: a man and as a father.
Speaker 1: Op rated.
Speaker 2: I had the Pinewood Derby for my youngest kids cub
Speaker 2: Scout Troupe on Friday night, and he just like really
Speaker 2: last year, I forget what happened, but he didn't. You know,
Speaker 2: he just takes this event for whatever reason very seriously.
Speaker 2: He's an artist. He like has a vision, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh it was it was a dragon flame themed car
Speaker 2: this year, like you know it was. I just was
Speaker 2: working with him. He was art directing me, not like
Speaker 2: in the shape, but it was it. We just like
Speaker 2: got decals and shit like it's not don't be because
Speaker 2: that's the other dynamics. I'm showing up. Yeah, I'm showing
Speaker 2: up like real proud of the work we put in together.
Speaker 2: And there are people there with like dragon shaped cars,
Speaker 2: like they're like truly like the finest works of craftsmanship
Speaker 2: that I've seen, Like just these fun like some of
Speaker 2: the parents are like just art, you know, the artists
Speaker 2: who work in physical like work with physical things and
Speaker 2: like they create great ship Like what what was a tiger?
Speaker 2: What was a shark shaped thing? Just really rubbed it
Speaker 2: in my face as a Jaws head.
Speaker 1: You went to the toy store and got like the
Speaker 1: fifty decals that you like, I got the cow like, ah,
Speaker 1: we got elephants again, Hold on the next one, probably sharks.
Speaker 1: Want to give me fifty more fifty more cents? Ah,
Speaker 1: why is it so random? Get the one you want?
Speaker 2: The stickers and the little thing outside of.
Speaker 1: The little cardboards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exact Kroger Parking. Anyways, you know, we worked
Speaker 2: on it together. I watched hour of YouTube videos on
Speaker 2: like how to you know, not not I won't say hours,
Speaker 2: but polished some axles, gave them a little bend, which
Speaker 2: is something that you're supposed to do. Uh, and I
Speaker 2: fucked it up his his car. The back wheels fell off.
Speaker 2: How exactly that's a great question. Miles overlooked my skills
Speaker 2: with the glue gun and did not glue gun the
Speaker 2: axle on hard enough. And so my strategy going in was, Hey,
Speaker 2: we might not win this thing, but the important thing
Speaker 2: is that you now have this cool car that we
Speaker 2: built together, and you'll have that for the rest of
Speaker 2: your life. And immediately second heat, the car's fucking wheels
Speaker 2: fall off. Hey's sobbing. I'm sobbing. It was. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was not exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who took l so publicly. O poor kid,
Speaker 1: My god, next year.
Speaker 2: Next week, exactly this. My older son cares much less
Speaker 2: about it. His car like came in third in his
Speaker 2: race the next day. So it's just I think I
Speaker 2: wanted it too bad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happens. Also, you know, it's just don't
Speaker 1: you know, let that be your child's experience, you know,
Speaker 1: that's right. Maybe you inserted yourself a little too much.
Speaker 1: Jack made it about yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're crying, crying, he's trying to.
Speaker 2: Cheer me up. No, it's no failure.
Speaker 1: Mister Jack, Like, please don't swear in front of the kids.
Speaker 2: You too, Miles, not that far energetically from what was happening.
Speaker 2: It was definitely like me taking it as hard as him,
Speaker 2: Like you're smoking his cigarette and ship it was like, man,
Speaker 2: Jack really seems like he's on edge.
Speaker 1: Where do you get those cigarettes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I am always quick to apologize whenever I fun.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, man, sorry about that. That was That
Speaker 2: was no good. So hopefully that works. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it just makes them be like Dad's unstable. But
Speaker 2: every time I suck up, I'm always like, all right,
Speaker 2: so daddy got got in a weird place there about
Speaker 2: the Pinewood Derby, and I apologize. But anyways, we'll get
Speaker 2: him next year.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Hell yeah you will.
Speaker 2: What's uh? What's something? Miles? He thinks over at him,
Speaker 2: stuff just having stuff? Stuff? You know what? Do not
Speaker 2: study for?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: Part? Sounds like an answer I would give.
Speaker 1: I believe stuff is overrated. To burden oneself with physical
Speaker 1: items can lead to a disconnection from what is actually
Speaker 1: the most valuable in couin greg human existence if I may, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like the weirdest thing about this
Speaker 1: is like the grieving period for my physical possessions was
Speaker 1: maybe the shortest m Like, yeah, I got over that
Speaker 1: a lot quicker than I did the everything else. Like
Speaker 1: the displacement is like the hardest fucking thing, and like
Speaker 1: the loss of your concept of community and home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're in a community one day and then
Speaker 2: the next day you're just in.
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. It's not like and it's different when
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, we had to move out of that
Speaker 1: neighborhood because of X, Y or Z. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the neighborhood is no more, and the people there are
Speaker 1: displaced also and also shaking their fists at the sky
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on. But I also
Speaker 1: felt like oddly liberated from not having a bunch of shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though many of those things had very deep meaning
Speaker 1: and value to me, Like I lost all of the
Speaker 1: music that I made, I lost all of my instruments,
Speaker 1: all of my beloved Arsenal and Lakers jerseys, my fucking
Speaker 1: photos and weird videos I made throughout my twenties that
Speaker 1: were on hard drives. Like that's all gone, and like
Speaker 1: when those things are taken away from you, you emerge
Speaker 1: with a much deeper sense of like the overall concept
Speaker 1: of what you just call value. So I have no
Speaker 1: hats anymore, so I won't be wearing as many hats.
Speaker 2: You had an incredible clicktion.
Speaker 1: Oh, really incredible, And when you start adding up the
Speaker 1: money that you spent on it, then you start going,
Speaker 1: what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Uh, mister is here on this insurance form the thirteen.
Speaker 1: Thousand dollars in hats? Yeah, dude, and not upside down
Speaker 1: on a lot of them. Man. I still I was
Speaker 1: taking out loans to get some of these hats, my
Speaker 1: hat loans. Oh boy, I'm fucked, babe. We are fucked
Speaker 1: for these hat loans. But it's just also interesting because
Speaker 1: I'm taking this also as like a punctuation in my life. Obviously,
Speaker 1: how could I not. Yeah, but I'm definitely in the
Speaker 1: process of gaining an intense wisdom that I'm still processing.
Speaker 1: And as I've told people, I basically did the most
Speaker 1: wild version of Marie Condo. Uh does it spark joy
Speaker 1: that you've ever done in your fucking life?
Speaker 2: Jesus?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, like it was kind of
Speaker 1: for all this stuff, like all the family heirlooms, like
Speaker 1: handwritten things that like my grandparents had, and like those
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff you start to realize too, like you
Speaker 1: have to kind of think to yourself also, like if
Speaker 1: my grandparents were alive and I told them I lost
Speaker 1: that note that you wrote, you know that that burned
Speaker 1: up and I felt so terrible about it. I had
Speaker 1: to really kind of like try and tap into that
Speaker 1: wisdom of what they would say to me, which is
Speaker 1: like you're alive, Like you're surviving. Like the whole point
Speaker 1: of what I toiled through and what I had to suffer,
Speaker 1: what my grandparents had to suffer, what their grandparents had
Speaker 1: to suffer, was to get to a place where the
Speaker 1: descendants live and can thrive. Those objects that is not
Speaker 1: that isn't that doesn't define my relationship to my family.
Speaker 1: If those things are much deeper, it's the memories that
Speaker 1: I have, because those are the most intense things. Those
Speaker 1: are just merely objects that can help resurrect these memories.
Speaker 1: But those memories are contained with in me, and I
Speaker 1: can imbue that same sense of value into other things
Speaker 1: that aren't necessarily like the literal objects that they handled.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean like there's just there's just a
Speaker 1: lot like uh, but yeah, the stuff part of it,
Speaker 1: it is what it is.
Speaker 2: It is, Yeah, passing those stories and memories and values
Speaker 2: on to you know, other generations, and you know, I
Speaker 2: feel like you know, and those values in particular come
Speaker 2: across and who you are you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean again, like it forces this very
Speaker 1: intense process of like introspection that I'm also grateful for
Speaker 1: because before that they're just merely thought experiments. A lot
Speaker 1: of the times you do think of things like what
Speaker 1: if I to leave, Like what would I take or whatever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what what how what would I do if it
Speaker 1: didn't a lot of people? Or like I don't know
Speaker 1: what I would do if I was in your position.
Speaker 1: I mean, human beings are very resilient, and I think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we weren't wired to
Speaker 1: fall apart when our trink gets vanish, right. It's our
Speaker 1: sense of commune unity, our sense of belonging like love.
Speaker 1: Those are the things that are that kind of make
Speaker 1: our human existence really meaningful. And what I've gained in
Speaker 1: those aspects are tremendous and completely offset what I even
Speaker 1: felt the value was of, like the physical objects that
Speaker 1: I lost. So I'm in the process of being very
Speaker 1: trying to be as grateful as possible for that, although
Speaker 1: not not the ideal way I would arrive at that,
Speaker 1: but but I do.
Speaker 2: I would have written it.
Speaker 1: But you know, like a couple of notes for you God.
Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's take one more break, we'll
Speaker 2: come back. We'll we'll dig into some stories. We'll be back.
Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: And what the Wall Street Journal has deemed the dumbest
Speaker 2: trade war in history is upon us. But before we
Speaker 2: get into all the trade ship the tariffs, you know,
Speaker 2: because we're we're big Episode one Phantom Menace fans, so
Speaker 2: we we love talking tariffs and trade routes and trade wars,
Speaker 2: trade federations, trade federations can't get orientalism. Also thing for me.
Speaker 2: But uh, before we get into I guess like, so,
Speaker 2: you haven't had a ton of time, but you've been
Speaker 2: like viewing the events of the past three four weeks
Speaker 2: from a distance. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: It's like doctor Manhattan to exist. I've gone to Mars
Speaker 1: to sort of take a take a quick five minute
Speaker 1: breather but I've been viewing things from Mars with a
Speaker 1: hydrogen atom uh emblazoned on my forehead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it looks good by the way you're pulling
Speaker 2: it off.
Speaker 1: Thanks, it's marker. Still, I didn't have the courage to
Speaker 1: actually burn it into my skin, but I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It could look cool. I just don't know if it'll
Speaker 1: turn to a kiloid or not. But anyway, yeah, I have.
Speaker 1: I've heard tell of the of the tariffs, and then
Speaker 1: I heard of the retaliatory tariffs, and then I saw
Speaker 1: headlines from Republicans are getting a little weak in the
Speaker 1: knees now because they're like, oh, like this hurts like
Speaker 1: rich people too, and like it turns out like the
Speaker 1: gas could also directly hit my community the hardest in
Speaker 1: the Midwest. Well, it's just funny. Yeah, So I've I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess in that sense, I'm probably still more informed
Speaker 1: than the average Trump voter.
Speaker 2: Any anything, because you miss I mean, you missed the inauguration,
Speaker 2: and you missed Elon Musk Hling Hitler, and just.
Speaker 1: I didn't miss actually any of that. I didn't miss
Speaker 1: the back to back. Y m c A performs his
Speaker 1: from the Village people, Oh I saw it's weird, even
Speaker 1: though I'm like, I don't even know what the fuck's
Speaker 1: going on. I I have this terrible habit of having
Speaker 1: to want to know what's going on, even though I'm
Speaker 1: also trying to figure out the value of an old
Speaker 1: jacket that is, like spoke from the fifties that the
Speaker 1: grandfer known.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I guess it's like it's just more of
Speaker 1: the oh, you know what it really is. It's the
Speaker 1: I just wasn't on social media. I think that's the
Speaker 1: biggest thing, and it's good and bad. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I've I definitely like since using Blue Sky, I read
Speaker 1: that I get to read the stuff that i'd want,
Speaker 1: like I hear from the people i'd want to hear from.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's like the commentary around the headlines
Speaker 1: that I've not really seen much of. But also like
Speaker 1: every moment, like for example, when the fucking Hyle Hitler
Speaker 1: shit happened at the inauguration or on an inauguration day,
Speaker 1: that was definitely a moment when I go, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I don't have time for this shit. I got to
Speaker 1: figure out where the fuck my kids can go to school, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely would like I would see I would brush
Speaker 1: up against reality and go not today, Satan. No, I
Speaker 1: wasn't joking. When I saw that clip from the video
Speaker 1: episode if y'all talking about the Roseanne bar wrap thing,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, this might be it for me.
Speaker 1: I don't think might have to be. I'm fully off
Speaker 1: this now because I have to do other things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a weird relationship with reality. I haven't
Speaker 1: quite gone full ignorance is bliss, because ignorance is not bliss.
Speaker 1: So as much as I've I'm not. My heads weren't
Speaker 1: in the books like they normally are when I'm doing
Speaker 1: the show all the time. It was enough to still
Speaker 1: augment the sense of terror that I had from dealing
Speaker 1: with the fall out of a terrible wildfire.
Speaker 2: Oh good, Yeah, well, I just wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: that you had that drip, that ivy drip of terror.
Speaker 1: Yeah you got to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So we knew the Trump two point
Speaker 2: I was going to be bad. Purposefully torpedoing the economy
Speaker 2: while planes are literally falling from the sky is probably
Speaker 2: worse than people imagined. Again, the accelerationists might be like,
Speaker 2: oh I didn't see this particular version of things going
Speaker 2: this direction, or maybe they didn't think it's worth it.
Speaker 2: But he followed through on threats to hit the countries
Speaker 2: to top trading partners Canada, Mexico with a twenty five
Speaker 2: percent tariff and a ten percent tariff on China. And
Speaker 2: you know he's in trouble when the Wall Street journal
Speaker 2: is calling it quote the dumbest trade war in history
Speaker 2: in headlines. Yeah. Just feel like we've talked before about
Speaker 2: how tariffs are a blunt instrument, Like you get a
Speaker 2: response from tariffs, like one specific response from tariff, but
Speaker 2: it's like trying to fix a complicated machine with only
Speaker 2: a hammer, right. You know I do tool metaphors now
Speaker 2: that i'd time on a Pinewood Derby car.
Speaker 1: What about glue gun metaphors?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean this guy doesn't even have a guy
Speaker 2: damn glue gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he thought he could go and heat up the
Speaker 1: glue stick enough that it would stick. Wait, does that
Speaker 1: not how those work? Okay? I got another YouTube video
Speaker 1: for it to wash. Yeah, Like it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where it makes sense on paper if you strip
Speaker 1: out any context or nuance, and like much like your
Speaker 1: hammer metaphor, it's like, yeah, I don't know, like banging
Speaker 1: the shit out of it like with a TV like
Speaker 1: back in the days, like it might work. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: might also fuck it up worse. But I think they're
Speaker 1: they're living off the well it might work. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what kind of brings me to like what
Speaker 1: the fuck is he actually doing here? Because I don't
Speaker 1: believe that this heat his America for that's all bullshit.
Speaker 1: He's not interested in making anyone's fucking life better except
Speaker 1: for his own. So this is all like rhetoric for what.
Speaker 1: And you know, like like the one thing from just
Speaker 1: his own words is that he's deaf into like being
Speaker 1: like the second coming of like William McKinley, who was
Speaker 1: like the last president eident. And we ain't doing income tax.
Speaker 1: We ain't doing an income tax, right because like in
Speaker 1: the nineteen hundreds, federal income tax, like federal revenues were
Speaker 1: coming from tariffs and that's and like and then then
Speaker 1: and like you know that that was sort of like
Speaker 1: the main way to raise revenues for the federal government.
Speaker 1: So then this feels like a long term way to
Speaker 1: make the conservative wet dream of no more income tax
Speaker 1: or reality. But then if that's the case, what's going
Speaker 1: on with these tariffs? Because we saw what happened, Like
Speaker 1: the reason the Wall Street journals like this is the
Speaker 1: dumbest trade wherever, it's because look, the stock market took
Speaker 1: a shit last week, okay, and this is clearly that
Speaker 1: all of this is having to do with the tariffs now,
Speaker 1: is that it looks right now that the wealthiest are
Speaker 1: the hardest to be hit because they love the stalks.
Speaker 1: Normal people they're not as tied up in the stock market.
Speaker 1: So really that pain is going to come from inflation
Speaker 1: and diluted purchasing power that comes as a result of
Speaker 1: these tariffs and higher prices. But because he doesn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck about anyone except himself, that Timothy Noah the
Speaker 1: New Republic raised an interesting point that this has the
Speaker 1: trappings of a very trump asque shakedown of other billionaires.
Speaker 1: So Trump has money problems, right, and he's currently pushing
Speaker 1: a meme coin with many people holding lots and lots
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars in this coin, which is basically
Speaker 1: like a fun way to get Trump little little payments,
Speaker 1: little thank you gifts, right, And I think just it's
Speaker 1: looking like this whole thing with the tariffs and like
Speaker 1: certain industries being protected over not is also just like
Speaker 1: a pseudo mafioso tactic of a sort of like nice economy,
Speaker 1: you got here, be terrible if tariffs fucked all that
Speaker 1: up for you, and then from there get people to
Speaker 1: fall in line. But I don't know, like that's that's
Speaker 1: one dimension of it, because like when people are like,
Speaker 1: this is not how he's gonna change things things better,
Speaker 1: Like that's not stop acting like he's doing it for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not his motivation at all, not to make
Speaker 2: things better for people. And it does feel like an
Speaker 2: opposition that makes that point repeatedly would be helpful. I
Speaker 2: don't know how that's going, but it does feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, the things are getting really bad. He's
Speaker 2: doing things that should be wildly unpopular with people, attacking medicare, medicaid,
Speaker 2: you know, fucking do just making everything more expensive, and
Speaker 2: even if it fucking only hits Wall Street, you know,
Speaker 2: corporations love to, you know, send that pressure downstream to
Speaker 2: people and like fire people take away for a one k,
Speaker 2: you know, all all the all the shit that people
Speaker 2: are going to feel that there's no corporation. That's like, well,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna have to tighten our belts up here
Speaker 2: and not down below, like that tightening belts means they're
Speaker 2: going to fuck people. Yeah, it's just and like right now,
Speaker 2: like there's just more INFI James literally James Carvell, the carle.
Speaker 1: Why is he still talking. He's like the fact that
Speaker 1: they the fact that you put a Kamala Harris the
Speaker 1: road for the president. There's like playing in a sun
Speaker 1: string quarterback in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: He said that.
Speaker 1: That's what he just said. This is a fucking quote
Speaker 1: from him just now from this morning. I just read.
Speaker 2: Confident.
Speaker 1: And then he goes back, he's like, well, yeah, President
Speaker 1: Biden is to blame. Okay, first of all, assholes, all
Speaker 1: of you fucks are to blame. So miss me with
Speaker 1: all this ship and get to the fucking point where
Speaker 1: you actually stand up to this ship. Because man, to
Speaker 1: all these Democrats, they're still worried about their fucking careers
Speaker 1: in Congress rather than doing the right thing. That's what's
Speaker 1: the most terrifying thing to me. These people aren't willing.
Speaker 1: Most of these people are not willing to fight. There
Speaker 1: are something that clearly are, but most of the people
Speaker 1: in leadership, they're still thinking long term. They're like, how
Speaker 1: do I fucking how do I duck this ship? How
Speaker 1: do I bob and weave? When it's like, bro, you
Speaker 1: need to fucking stand up and do something. But again, please, people,
Speaker 1: please keep this in mind as we try to rest
Speaker 1: control of whatever progressive minded people want to have as
Speaker 1: representatives in Congress, because these people are not going to
Speaker 1: fucking do it, and they're continuing to fucking disappoint. I know,
Speaker 1: Hakim Jeffreys just introduced some kind of ten point battle
Speaker 1: plan to fight Trump. I'm sure we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just we're just we're looking at a
Speaker 1: very very unwilling opposition party in the Democrats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like tariffs might be the one place
Speaker 2: that they get their shit together on because the Democrats
Speaker 2: are the party of corporations, and corporations stand to lose
Speaker 2: so much here that, you know, whereas well.
Speaker 1: They are the party of the status quo. It's certainly
Speaker 1: certainly a threat to the status quo. Not in the
Speaker 1: positive direction, but it's a disruption. And yeah, maybe they
Speaker 1: maybe they'll get their marching orders from the donor soon enough.
Speaker 2: But There's this one like exchange where people asked if
Speaker 2: he was going to impost Harris on the europeinionion. He
Speaker 2: was like, am I going to impost Harris on their
Speaker 2: European Union? Do you want the truthful answer? Or should
Speaker 2: I give you a political answer? Absolutely? Absolutely? The European
Speaker 2: Union has treated us so terribly. It just he seems
Speaker 2: like he's so like that is also a big part
Speaker 2: of the story is him getting to be up there
Speaker 2: and act like a king tough, you know, like act
Speaker 2: like should I should not? I don't know, so you will,
Speaker 2: I won't. I let me put it this way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Famously, I walked out of Anger Management because the
Speaker 1: movie was so bad. I couldn't even stand it. Oh
Speaker 1: so you're a tough guy. Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It feels like his reason for doing it is
Speaker 2: getting to give that answer and feel powerful. In a
Speaker 2: lot of these cases.
Speaker 1: Because it's so disjointed from anything, it's like, oh God,
Speaker 1: the senile old man from the campaign is the president
Speaker 1: and now doing senile fuck shit. Yeah, and just being
Speaker 1: like yeah, everybody, everybody can come get it. And then
Speaker 1: when shit actually happens and he's like, oh, wait, they're
Speaker 1: gonna there's more countries than the US that would band
Speaker 1: together to try and fucking fight US. Oh and now
Speaker 1: that we're seeing like all of these in kind retaliatory tariffs,
Speaker 1: like he's been starting to fucking wobble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. The one thing we've been noticing is
Speaker 2: like the way the media covers the other country retaliates
Speaker 2: or you know, pushes back or his fucked up policy
Speaker 2: has like terrible effects and people, you know, like with Columbia,
Speaker 2: it was like the price of coffee, like shot through
Speaker 2: the roof, and like, right, he finds a way to
Speaker 2: be like they actually gave in, they were scared of me.
Speaker 2: They big win for Trump, and like the media just
Speaker 2: kind of goes along with it. And that feels like
Speaker 2: what's happening with Mexico pausing, Like they said that they
Speaker 2: would put troops on the border to aid with the
Speaker 2: and I don't know if they if Shinbaum did this
Speaker 2: in scare quotes or not, but it was like to
Speaker 2: aid with the sentinel trade.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think she's scare quote. She did the
Speaker 1: jerk off motion.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, well put ten thousand at the border.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, there you go, And uh, anything else Anyways,
Speaker 2: he was like, we want we can lower the Mexican tariffs,
Speaker 2: but it's also probably because the stock marker was taking
Speaker 2: a ship, and that is truly who he answers to.
Speaker 2: Like all American politicians like the thing that people who
Speaker 2: elected an authoritarian like a lot of this energy for
Speaker 2: people being like, we need an authoritarian, somebody who's outside
Speaker 2: of the mainstream, who's not a career politician. What they
Speaker 2: mean is like, we need somebody who's going to stand
Speaker 2: up to corporations and like that is not him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's not going to be him. He can do
Speaker 2: shit that like is wild and scares them, but he's
Speaker 2: also I think going to back down quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I mean this this happened a lot in his first administration.
Speaker 1: There was a big swings and he's like yeah, well
Speaker 1: and then enough time passes and then he just doesn't
Speaker 1: acknowledge the l and he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it didn't matter if everyone's against me, and they've always.
Speaker 2: Been flooding the zone with shit, yah, flooding it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's another thing too, is this is
Speaker 1: all It was very disorienting to check in the news,
Speaker 1: like every two day three days. For me, that's about
Speaker 1: the pace I was doing while I was dealing with
Speaker 1: everything else. My god, the amount of times I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, what okay, holy shit? What Elon Musk is
Speaker 1: kicking people out of their offices and like physically removing
Speaker 1: people so his goons can get access to computer systems.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What? All that stuff too is meant to overwhelm us,
Speaker 1: and suddenly, in the midst of cash like, just please
Speaker 1: settle onto something so I can deal with that. And
Speaker 1: I think that's one part that we should keep in mind,
Speaker 1: is that this is very much meant to try and
Speaker 1: get us off of our our sense of like footing
Speaker 1: here and knowing that fair is there is something normal
Speaker 1: that we actually need to be holding onto. But at
Speaker 1: the same time too it all of that happening too
Speaker 1: just kind of remind me of the whole process of
Speaker 1: like losing your house and a fire, where you're kind
Speaker 1: of it's such an extreme new normal that you're suddenly
Speaker 1: in the first stage of it is you're in denial
Speaker 1: about it. You're like, what the fuck's going on? There's
Speaker 1: no way this is happening. There is no fucking way,
Speaker 1: And then very quickly you have to get to the
Speaker 1: acceptance phase, because it's not as empowering to say this
Speaker 1: can't be happening, This can't be happening, this can't what's
Speaker 1: at least that's how I felt in dealing with my
Speaker 1: own crisis, was not going like, this can't be happening.
Speaker 1: What the fuck's going on? To it's happening? Now? What
Speaker 1: the fuck am I gonna do now? To fucking make
Speaker 1: this okay? Make this easier for me? Build for the future. Yeah, create,
Speaker 1: you know, more scaffolding to make myself more robust to
Speaker 1: defend myself from these things in the future. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where we need to get to collectively as
Speaker 1: a country, is to get off the like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Is this serially? Yes, it's fucking here, It's serious, it's here.
Speaker 1: But the more people that understand the assignment, which is
Speaker 1: no longer head scratching and being like is this guy
Speaker 1: for real? And being like, this guy's for real? Now
Speaker 1: we need to also think about what we get behind
Speaker 1: and what our strategies are to defend against this. It'll
Speaker 1: it'll make it slightly easier. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's extremely
Speaker 1: extremely destabilizing and chaotic, and yeah, like to the what
Speaker 1: they always say, flood the zone with shit. It's a
Speaker 1: shit flood.
Speaker 2: It is a ship flood of Noah's proportions. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he he, he really went from I'll lower the price
Speaker 2: of eggs to You're gonna have to deal with some
Speaker 2: pain in a shockingly short period of time because he's
Speaker 2: he's being like, yeah, prices are going to go up,
Speaker 2: but uh, tough shit, it takes for me to swing
Speaker 2: the big hammer.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've seen these things where people like
Speaker 1: clip out Twitter interactions or like you know, truth social
Speaker 1: interactions where small business owners are actually kind of realizing
Speaker 1: how this is going to end their small business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like because you'll see people in their replies like,
Speaker 1: christer President, I've been a fan. I've been a very
Speaker 1: loyal supporter of you since, you know, since since day one.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say that some of these
Speaker 1: things will raise the cost of materials I need for
Speaker 1: my business to the point where I may no longer
Speaker 1: be able to run my family business that I've had
Speaker 1: for fifty years. And then you have other people be like,
Speaker 1: shut up, you fucking lib and they're like, it's man,
Speaker 1: I don't know but this shit will probably touch more
Speaker 1: people in a way that they weren't expecting. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's the part that the one part accelerationists people,
Speaker 1: people who are celebrating were like, well, yeah, man, now
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna fucking get it. And I mean, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: But what do we what do we do after that?
Speaker 1: Because it's one thing if people, you know, feel the
Speaker 1: pain of what this terrible leadership is like, and it's
Speaker 1: another if like they just don't do anything about it
Speaker 1: and or just continue to just be like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just get in line because he beat
Speaker 1: the shit out of me with his tariffs and stuff.
Speaker 2: Right right, all right, we'll leave it there for today.
Speaker 2: We're back tomorrow with no no. I want to keep
Speaker 2: talking about what's wrong. We got Yeah, and if if,
Speaker 2: if you got somebody to get behind by all means,
Speaker 2: I would love to. Let's find that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Let's just run for office, you know, let's do it.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you run for Congress, I'll run for
Speaker 1: and I'll run on a platform. I don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck what they say, go ahead, primary, I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. But I'm here while I'm here, I'm here,
Speaker 1: Good fucking luck trying to get me to vote with y'all.
Speaker 1: Fuck no, that's we need. We need that energy out there.
Speaker 1: That's the energy that I think people are going to
Speaker 1: respond to. That also could just be me and my
Speaker 1: mid traumatic episode days, but hey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I think we need Yeah, somebody
Speaker 2: who is outside of the current system as it's existed
Speaker 2: for the past. I don't know, lifetime, my lifetime, and
Speaker 2: isn't using that power arbitrarily, you know, right, but is
Speaker 2: using it to challenge the things that are making people's
Speaker 2: lives worse.
Speaker 1: We don't need people who want to be in Congress
Speaker 1: who come outside of the typical group where people come
Speaker 1: from that are in Congress, right. We need people who
Speaker 1: are completely disconnected from the same value system as the
Speaker 1: current like that the current Congress subscribes to, which is
Speaker 1: do whatever you can to stay in office. If that
Speaker 1: means getting in line and completely going against your beliefs,
Speaker 1: then I'll do that because I want to be in office,
Speaker 1: like you need people to be Like, no, bro, use
Speaker 1: your time at the wall to fucking do good and
Speaker 1: then maybe if your shifts up and then so be it.
Speaker 1: And then you send up the next people to do
Speaker 1: their shift at the wall. And I don't mean the
Speaker 1: fucking border wall. I'm at the Knight's watch Bro game
Speaker 1: with of.
Speaker 2: Course we're all Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: I think the only reason I said that I was
Speaker 1: at a farmer's market yesterday and I overheard this dude
Speaker 1: bragging to another guy about how he was an extra
Speaker 1: and Game of Thrones. Wow, really big dick in this.
Speaker 2: Here? Wogni from uh I was.
Speaker 1: One of the walkers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what are.
Speaker 1: You for real?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I wasn't the night not the
Speaker 1: It's funny because the guy goes the fucking like the
Speaker 1: Night King. He's like, noah, no, no, He's like, but
Speaker 1: I was near the Night King so earnestly, and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: they shoot that ship in Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're.
Speaker 1: Just flying out there to do extra work and then
Speaker 1: you first class. Okay whatever, man, that's cool. It's good
Speaker 1: to be back in the valley.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I was one of the walkers.
Speaker 1: I was one of the walkers. We I'm sorry, who
Speaker 1: are you talking to?
Speaker 2: That's incredible. Yeah, I just want to follow those people
Speaker 2: around for the rest of the day. See what kind
Speaker 2: of ship.
Speaker 1: I wish I could derive a sense of satisfaction from
Speaker 1: something like that that I completely made up in my mind.
Speaker 1: It would be things would be so much easier. Instead,
Speaker 1: I have to walk around denying that I do a podcast.
Speaker 2: It no, no, I don't know no podcasts.
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed of this podcast. I don't like the conversations
Speaker 1: I have to have with people who are into.
Speaker 2: Like who are like, oh, Joe Rogan, you.
Speaker 1: Work in podcasting? Yeah, you know flagrant the Flagrant podcast? Like, No,
Speaker 1: never heard of that. But anyway, I gotta go now,
Speaker 1: just say.
Speaker 2: Advertising there you hey, in a way, we do, we
Speaker 2: really do. All right, That is going to do it
Speaker 2: for today. We are back tomorrow with a whole last
Speaker 2: episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other,
Speaker 2: be kind to yourself, get your vaccines, whay you still
Speaker 2: can't get your flu shots, don't do nothing about white supremacy,
Speaker 2: and we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye bye,