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Speaker 1: than them those two top mom. Casey Anthony's name will

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Speaker 1: Imancy Grace This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. It was June two thousand and eight when

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Speaker 1: two year old Kelly goes missing. It had been a

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Speaker 1: tumultuous night in the Anthony home where todd Mom Casey

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Speaker 1: and her little girl, two year old Kelly. The mom

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Speaker 1: He has devoted his life to finding the missing since

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Speaker 1: his own daughter went missing. Also with me. Leonard Padilla,

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Speaker 1: the man who helped todten mom get out on bond

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Speaker 1: when she was first arrested on a minor offense. This

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Speaker 1: on the inside of the Anthony home due to his

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Speaker 1: psychoanalysts out of l A. Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge, lawyer

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Speaker 1: and founder of child Crime watch dot com. Alexis Dress

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Speaker 1: Chuck with Writer Online dot com Alan Duke, Jackie Howard

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Speaker 1: all here to analyze why even today we still don't

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Speaker 1: know what really happened to two year old Keiley. Let's

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, Kaylee Empony was the happiest

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Speaker 1: the residents that evening or the next morning. And yet

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00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: every time I turned around, I'm listening to somebody testify.

429
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: Let's say, you know that they had seen the baby

430
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: the next morning, but that is not my memory. But

431
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: nobody has ever asked me. You know what's really interesting

432
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: about what you're saying is that she was bending over

433
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: backwards not to take baby Kelly with her over to

434
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house. I guess that would have totally cramped

435
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: her style. Alexis to rest check. Listen to this. This

436
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: is that night that day when Kelly is at her

437
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: granddad's at the rest home where he was and she's

438
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: singing his favorite song. Alexis Toscha writer Online dot Com

439
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Let's get to the night in question, the

440
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: night that TOT mom Casey Anthony leaves the house in

441
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: a fit of anger over who's going to take care

442
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: of the baby. The baby has been with Cindy all

443
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: day and now she wants to go party and not

444
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: bring the baby. What happened? Little Keiley has been with Cindy.

445
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: They went and visited Cindy's dad. It's the cutest thing ever,

446
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: the cutest little video of this tiny little two year

447
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: old singing in her little, sweet little girl voice, and

448
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: Casey wants to go out and party. She gets in

449
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: a huge, huge fight with Cindy because Casey has never

450
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: taken any responsibility at all for this little girl. So

451
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: she storms out of the house with her goes away.

452
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: Nobody verst sees this child again alive. There are no

453
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: sightings of her. There's ben Casey basically shuts down with

454
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: her parents. She goes out where she goes over to

455
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's house. They go out, they go on dates.

456
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: Casey at this point concocts all of these crazy stories

457
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: that she tells. Because her parents have taken care of

458
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: the child, she's lived with them for two years. Cindy

459
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: and George keep calling Casey saying where's Keilly, Where's Kelly.

460
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Casey comes up with these stories like, oh, you know,

461
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: she's with a nanny. Casey, who doesn't have a job

462
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: and has zero money of her own, is claiming that

463
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: she's paying woman to take care of her child. She's

464
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: also just saying that she's out with boyfriend. With boyfriend's family.

465
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: She lies to everything. Let me let me say a

466
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: couple of things to you. A lot of times people

467
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: would ask Casey where the baby was. She's with Danny

468
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: the nanny. Do you know who Zanny the nanny was?

469
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: Zan X. When she ran out of zen x prescriptions

470
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: from her friends to pick as an X with, and

471
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: when her friends had no more exonics to provide for her,

472
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: she had to come up with something. Somebody came up

473
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: with something, and that was the idea of Hey, have

474
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: you ever thought of making chloroform? Now, Casey is an

475
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: accomplished liar from the gate. I don't know where she

476
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: picked it up, but she is great. And I'll tell

477
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: you how great she is. The morning after we bailed

478
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: her out, I was sitting there talking to her and

479
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: I told her, I said, don't ever lie to me

480
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: about anything. If you lineed me, I'll put you back

481
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: in jail quicker than the cops can. I said. But

482
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: when you get through with this case, and you will,

483
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat this case. You come see me, I'll

484
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: give you a job because you're as good a liar

485
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: as I've ever met. Wow. So she laves to go

486
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: out to the boyfriend's with Kelly. She gets there, they

487
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: have their day. They're caught on video at Blockbusters. You

488
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: pointed out no Kelly in sight, and the boyfriend says

489
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: he never saw her. That night, she makes up all

490
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: these lies to the mother and father, George and Cindy

491
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: about where is Kelly, won't let them speak to her.

492
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: You know why, because Kelly was dead that night, the

493
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: very first night after the fight with Cindy. Kelly was

494
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: never seen again. Ever, then the car which George and

495
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: Cindy you're paying for, gets impounded. To see, I always

496
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: thought Tim Miller with Texas Equistarts joining me that that

497
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: was intentional, that she knew. She leaves the car alone

498
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: for thirty plus days or however long it's gonna get

499
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: impounded or stolen, and then the evidence may be lost

500
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: because she thinks nobody will ever find the car, Tim Miller,

501
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: but they do. What are your thoughts on that car?

502
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: Tim Well? That she drove around a little Kelly in

503
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: that car and finally got that told her of her

504
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: own self, because I mean, she doesn't think five minutes

505
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: ahead a time. She thinks about the moment and then

506
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: she decides to go with him and dispose of the

507
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: body when when they when George gets that told, that's

508
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: when Sydney dolls nine one one and says, it smells

509
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: like there's been a damn dead body. Take a listen

510
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: to this. I called her a little bit of the

511
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: deputy stiff, So I thought about my granddaughter has been

512
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: trick and she has been missing for I'm not a third.

513
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: Her mother finally admitted that she's been missed. Okay, what

514
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: in here now? Okay, what is the address that you're

515
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: calling from? I was talking about her for your little girl?

516
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: Point oh, my daughter finally admitted that the baby ten store.

517
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: I need to find her. Your daughter admitted that your

518
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: the baby is later. You kind of took her month together,

519
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: that my daughter has been looking for. I told you

520
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: my daughter was her. I just found her today, but

521
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me,

522
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: what's Oh my god, it was cards today and it's not.

523
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: What is the three year old's name? A Y L

524
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: E E. Anthony Tim Miller, Texas equasearch. I think that's

525
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: when the lid blew off the pot. When George and

526
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Cindy smelled the and and Georgia former cop Cindy in

527
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: the healthcare business. They smell body decomposition is something you

528
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: never forget, you know what it is when you smell it.

529
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: I really can't describe it. So Tim, right then, I

530
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: believe it's when George and Cindy no for real that

531
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: something horrible has happened at that moment, no little caleys

532
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: from homelife, and the and the panic set in and

533
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: again attention in the house after that. It is unbelievable,

534
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: something I've never experienced before. I never want to experience

535
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: again with a family, especially Tim. You know, I say,

536
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: how do you? People ask me how I keep how

537
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: I keep uh trying to stop crime and dealing with

538
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: crime after my fiancee was murdered. I really can't explain it.

539
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: It's almost like a gut instinct you have to do something.

540
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: And I have often wondered Tim about your search for

541
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: your daughter and you turned that into a lifelong mission

542
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: of trying to help people that are missing. But it

543
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: takes such a toll, Like He's just saying, Dr Bethany Marshall,

544
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: he has never felt it. Doesn't want to fill it

545
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: again what was going on in that home? Because I'm

546
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: telling you, George knew he need from the get go.

547
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: And what's so critical about what Tim Miller is saying.

548
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: I wish they had put him on the stand. I

549
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: wish they had to he saw with his own eyes, George.

550
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: Do you remember they blame George at trial, claiming he

551
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: molested top Mom, which I don't believe for a minute.

552
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: He They blame him for disposing of Kelly's dead body

553
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: a former copp as if he wouldn't do CPR and

554
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: Colonne one one. But what Tim Miller is saying is

555
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: that George Anthony goes and grabs Top Mom gets her

556
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: out of the bed. I mean, don't you think should

557
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: wake up and be there bright eyed and bushy tailled?

558
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: When Tim Miller gets there to help find Kelly. No,

559
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: she's laid up in the bed, and he says, help us.

560
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: He says, help us, She throws the pencil at him

561
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: and goes back to bed. That shows to me George

562
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: did not have anything to do with this, and that

563
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't in some conspiracy with Top Mom to hide

564
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: the body, which is their defense, because that one story

565
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: shows that's not true. Bethany, and you know, George, it's

566
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: George and Cindy were in completely different places in terms

567
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: of realizing what a pathological liar Casey was. Because Cindy

568
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: had gone to see a therapist to deal with the

569
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: fact that Casey was not taking responsibility for Kaylee. Remember

570
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: that she goes to see a therapist sometime prior to

571
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: Kayley's disappearance, and the therapist advises Cindy to tell Casey, Casey,

572
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: if you don't start taking responsibility for Kaylee, we're going

573
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: to kick you out of the house. And I think

574
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: that set the homicidal plan in motion right there for Casey,

575
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: because what happened was she was going to lose her

576
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: meal ticket the minute Cindy forced Casey to take responsibility

577
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: for Kaylee, Casey had to make a choice. Either I

578
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: take responsibility for my daughter, in which case I have

579
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: to bond with her to take care of her. Or

580
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I can get rid of her, hold onto my parents

581
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: resources all for myself. They'll never figure it out, and

582
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: then I can go out party, you know, hang out

583
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: on a stripper pole, go out with Jesse Grint, my boyfriend,

584
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: hang out on the sofa eating chips. So I think

585
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: that when the worm turned for Casey and she realized

586
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: that the grandparents were not going to let her to

587
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: treat her daughter this way anymore. I think George and

588
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: Cindy took divergent paths. I think that George started to

589
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: see his daughter as a pathological liar. I think he

590
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: started to become very concerned, and so by the time

591
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Tim Miller got into the household. And remember, it's always

592
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: the outsider who sees clearly, it's not the people in

593
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: the household who knows what's happening. You're right, So you're

594
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: saying that George, George was further along and understanding what

595
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: was going on than Cindy. I'm just transfixed with Tim

596
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Miller's recounting what he recalled, and then after Alexis during

597
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: this time, give me a nuts sale, We've got to

598
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: go back on how she led police on the wild

599
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: goose chase culminating at Universal. So Casey is finally Cindy

600
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: has called the police. They are involved. This this is

601
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: not anything. She's not buying Casey's lies anymore, that Keeley's

602
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: on a boat, or she's with friends, or she's with

603
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: a nanny in the park. She has now involved the police. Finally,

604
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: thirty days later, thirty days after the last time she

605
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: saw her granddaughter of life. But she didn't know wait

606
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: a minute, all this time, she didn't know she was gone.

607
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: She just knew that Top Mom had her. When she finally,

608
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: when it all culminated and Todd, Mom tells the lie

609
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: that Zenaida Gonzalez her pretend nanny that she made up. Sadly,

610
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: there is a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez that nobody will

611
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: hire her now. Um she tells the grandmother Cindy, that Zenaida,

612
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: the babysitter, has run off with the baby and she's

613
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: been privately trying to get her back, I guess by

614
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: hanging out at Fusion Nightclub on the stripper pole. But

615
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: that's another can of worms. So Sandy calls police and

616
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: the nine one one call we just heard, and it

617
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: all cracks wide open. Police get taught Mom and ask

618
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: her to retrace some of her steps and what happens

619
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: alexis So she tells them that she, you know, has

620
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: been going to work every day Universal Studios, and they say, well,

621
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: let's go there, let's let's see your office, and she

622
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: takes them that they go, she's the two police officers.

623
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: They go to Universal Studios and the interesting thing is

624
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: that Casey doesn't work at Universal Studios. But Universal of

625
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: course lets the police in because they're trying to help

626
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: out an investigation. And Casey's literally like leading them down

627
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: a hallway of part of Universal Studios, and she finally

628
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: turns around them and confesses, well, you know, I don't

629
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: actually work here. She has taken them to a theme park,

630
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, to this this huge family entertainment place, and

631
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: the Universal lets the men to help out the and

632
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: then she has to confess, what, you know what, we

633
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: can't really go through any more doors because I don't

634
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: work here. I don't know what I'm doing here. Insane.

635
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me, Ashley Walcott. What she takes? What

636
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: a set of cajones? Okay, because she is in the

637
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: car where the police she takes an Universal. She tells

638
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: the security guards, hey, I work here, and they're like, well,

639
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: we don't have you unless you goes oh well uh

640
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and they get through security because there

641
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: she's with the cops. Then the cops they know she

642
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: doesn't work there, right, they're seeing what's gonna happen. They

643
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: she gets in the building, they get out of the car,

644
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: they get in the building, they walk all the way

645
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: down the hall, they walk to where she she's still lying.

646
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: They get all the way inside to where her so

647
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: called cubicle should be, and she goes, Okay, you got me.

648
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't work here, like it's some kind of a joke, right,

649
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: Lie after lie after lie after lie, which is exactly

650
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: why I believe she's completely lying about what happened to

651
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: her daughter. She knows she killed her daughter, and she

652
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: has no remorse, she has no ability to even care

653
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: that she's lying. And it's Coughton the lie. It's really unbelievable, again,

654
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: unfathomable to any person that she's doing this, and this

655
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: is while she knows her child is missing, and she's

656
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: focused on lying about where she works. It's really unbelievable.

657
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: And she maintained lie. This is the crazy part, you

658
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: know that scares me. You know, I'll say, Lucy, did

659
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: you brush your teeth? Yes? I go in and feel

660
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: the tooth brush is bone dry, bone dry, like, Lucy,

661
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: did you brush your teeth? Yes? And she actually likes

662
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: a little indignant that I keep asking her. I'm like, Lucy,

663
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: I had to pay over time for those braces and

664
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: I am not having those teeth right out of that mouth,

665
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: and she looks right at me and says she finally,

666
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: after intense grilling, she finally will say, Okay, I brush

667
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: my teeth. But back to top mom, How can she

668
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: keep up the lie? As they're walking down the hall

669
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: at Universal And I think you bring up a really

670
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: good point. Lucy is doing what is age appropriate as

671
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: a ten year old girl because they learn then not

672
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: to lie, and and it's part of the development of

673
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: a child. It is like this mother, though never grew developmentally.

674
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: Listen from the onset. She storms out of the house

675
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: with her child because she's mad. She acts like a child,

676
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: and she lies and she lies, and she gets caught

677
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: and she still lies. It's like she is stuck in

678
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: a little ten year old mind and she she It's unbelievable.

679
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: She's an actual adult and the mother of a child.

680
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: You'd never know it from her behavior. What amazes mate

681
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: to Tim Miller with Texas Equissarch, who I don't even

682
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: want to know how much money you lost bringing a

683
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: team horses the works trying to find this baby. Man man,

684
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: man man. When I think back on those those days

685
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: and you out there tromping through the woods, day after

686
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: day after day that headquarters. What amazes me is, Okay,

687
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: everybody lies here and there. It happens um And I'm

688
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: not proud of any life I've ever told. I'm not

689
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: proud at all or trying to explain it away. But

690
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: the way that she can maintain the lie even as

691
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: they're walking down the hall at Universal, until she finally

692
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go. She confesses, what was your experience

693
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: with her day in day out as you were out

694
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: there trying to find the baby. Well, I've seen firsthand

695
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: how she's capable of storm and out. That's from what

696
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: she's still about. But you know, I could George and

697
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: the pencil. You know, we had people show up from

698
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: all over the country on that search. We were probably

699
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: three seeds away from little Kayley's body, but that's when

700
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: the water was high. Because we've got to remember that

701
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: tropical storm came in after Kayley disappeared and uh and

702
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: I remember going to do to John Ellen. I said, John,

703
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I think we need to

704
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: suspend the search at this town because if little Kayley

705
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: is under the water somewhere in a TV drives over,

706
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: a person steps on the horse steps on it. You know,

707
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna make this far more discull. We're going to

708
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: destroy evidence. It's one of the best calls that I

709
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: ever made. I mean, one of our members actually has

710
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: pictures that John Ellen got when we were searching in

711
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: that exact area where little Kayley was found in it

712
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: and of course, as we know that she wasn't under

713
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: the water for a period of time when the water

714
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: went down, just what little Kayley body was found. I'm

715
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: probably one of the only reatillions that went behind the

716
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: crime scene tape and went up to that area and

717
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: then I'll never forget. Detectives said, listen, we need to

718
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: get out all your forms and see who was in

719
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: this immediate area. And you know that's just the search

720
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: was diff called. It was emotional. We sent a hundred

721
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand dollars. I filed that suit against Casey. We

722
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: came up to an agreement finally that if she under

723
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: down any money, that she would pay seventy five dollars.

724
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: But I don't care if Casey Anthony gets twenty million dollars,

725
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: will never gets seventy. It all culminates with a nine

726
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: one one call from an innocent meter reader who was

727
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: immediately thrown under the bus by so many. Roy Cronk

728
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: out working spots Kelly's body just ten houses down from

729
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: the Anthony home the nine on one call. There was

730
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: something round and white underneath of it, and I don't

731
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: know what it is that it just wouldn't look like

732
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: something that should be there. There's a swap area that

733
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: I saw something that I called in a tip the

734
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: other day and they said it would persuch. It also

735
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: about the me when I got there and I'm here,

736
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: Roy Cronk finds Keilly's body in a wooded quasi swampy area.

737
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: Tim Miller, wasn't it in the vicinity behind one of

738
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: the schools where top mom Casey Anthony used to hang

739
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: out and go smoke. Yes, it was in an area

740
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: like houses down right by the school. As the area

741
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: that we was inter rested in. It was an area

742
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: that we really couldn't stay effectively at that time because

743
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: of the high water. We would have taught a little body,

744
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: uh yes for the water. You're right. Take a listen

745
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: to what Roy Cronk says. I called that night about

746
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: ten o'clock and they said okay, and then nothing happened.

747
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: No one called me back if I called him again.

748
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: The next night, about ten o'clock, they told me to

749
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: call crime line. I didn't want to call the crime line.

750
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: I just wanted to stay as anonymous as possible, and

751
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: so I called crime line and they said they'd have

752
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: an officer meet me out there. So the next day,

753
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: when I got off work, I drove over there. I

754
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: called the officers showed up. He just pulled his expanded

755
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: metal with hunt out went down to the water's edge.

756
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: I pointed in the area what was at He just

757
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: swept his head back and forth and said, I don't

758
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: see anything, and pretty much that was it. I had

759
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, so I went in there

760
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: and I looked over and I saw a shape that

761
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: didn't look quite right to me. And when I pulled

762
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: the bag up, I basically looked down and there it was,

763
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: except there was no water there this time because it

764
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: all dried up. No good deed goes unpunished. I mean,

765
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: all the speculation that there was like tips and all

766
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: that nobody tipped me off. I figured this out by myself.

767
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: Meter reader Roy krawnk much maligned, but he is the

768
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: one that once the water subsided following those tropical storms

769
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: and hurricanes. He's the one that actually found the body

770
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: just down the street from the Anthony home. I mean,

771
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: think about it. Think about it. What killer in his

772
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: right mind would get the body, wrap it in in

773
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: a blanket out of the baby's room with some of

774
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: her belongings in there, put it in a trash bag

775
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: from the Anthony home, go a few houses down and

776
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: ump the body. I mean, clearly it's someone within the area.

777
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: For instance, in the Robert Blake case, the murder weapon

778
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: was thrown away near the body because the killer couldn't

779
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: get away from the scene. That's what happened here. Okay,

780
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: thinking back on what went wrong at trial, we've thought

781
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: about it and thought about it. You know, just recently

782
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: taught Mom Casey Anthony Gay even an interview to the

783
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: a P and in that what really happened to Kelly?

784
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: And you know what she said, I really don't know.

785
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: The last time I saw her, she was alive. And well,

786
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: that's not what they said at trial. At trial, they

787
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: suggested that George Anthony fished the child out of the

788
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: swimming pool and said he would dispose of the body.

789
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: We've shown you today through what Tim Miller says that George,

790
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: and you can see this in those jailhouse recordings where

791
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: top Mom screams at him when he tries to find

792
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: out what happened to Kelly. George didn't know where Kelly was,

793
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: nor did Cindy. The only one that Kni was taught

794
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Mom then and just no time at all. Two Dr

795
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. She tells a Pete what I saw her.

796
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: She was fine, she was alive. She still can't keep

797
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: her story straight. The line goes on and on. Do

798
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: you remember when the jailhouse phone call when Cindy called

799
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: her up and is trying gently to get Casey to

800
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: confess where Kaylee is, and then Casey goes, Mom, Mom,

801
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: I just want to know about Jesse Grunt. She all

802
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: she wanted to do was talk about her boyfriend. She

803
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about where Casey was. You know,

804
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: the line has a very particular quality to speak to

805
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: what Tim Miller said about the fact that she probably

806
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: didn't just drive around and then leave the body in

807
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: the car, hoping that it would be impounded so that

808
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: there was a place to secrete the body and she

809
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be found. Casey is not that calculating Casey is impulsive.

810
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: She's in the moment. She lacks an awareness of what's

811
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: happening to her, she lacks big picture thinking. She does

812
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to feel good in the moment. What's

813
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: been speculated so often is what went wrong At trial

814
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: Tim Miller, Texas with Search, what went wrong? Oh? I

815
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: think was his opening statement when he said that the

816
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: reason case he never reported clearly missing because she was

817
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: never missing. She drowned in a swimming pool. And then

818
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: when they said that George had something to do with it,

819
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know how they allowed that stuff and

820
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: about aust truths and any of it. Um they found

821
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: a stupidous journey that they were walking pace of the

822
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: earth to start west, And I don't know. I just

823
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: took my head himself when they came up with it.

824
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: Not not not guilty for it, but I think going

825
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: back to George and Cindy, with all those things that

826
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: were going on in the house, you could only imagine

827
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: grandparents are lit they raising your grandchild, and then they

828
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: know their daughter had something to do with it. And

829
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: I think that the nile sit in how could this

830
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: be happen? And I think any household, would would have

831
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: been would have been the same, and everything went wrong

832
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: in this place. You know, it was a cold case

833
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: before even became a miss in person case, so you know,

834
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: detectives had to catch up on for the days and

835
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: all the lives. You know, we're studios and and you know,

836
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious that Georgia was certainly frustrated

837
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: being a police officer, and this was not the first

838
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: wife the case here was saying in an entire life

839
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: to you bad. I think that she's kind a compulsive

840
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: wire who are own entire life and lived in such

841
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: a delusional world. I think at times she even believed

842
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: her old wives. It's hard to believe that we are

843
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: here now today. The tenure mark a little Chilles death

844
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: and disappearance. It's a message to all of us to

845
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: be ever vigilant, ever loving, and ever are caring. We're

846
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: not only our children, but the children all around us.

847
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend. Did you

848
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849
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