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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Stealer Nation, and Happy Friday. It's the Drive

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. West Shuler and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: with you here on a This is a big Friday, Matt,

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Speaker 2: this is a jam packed Friday.

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Speaker 3: In between there's too much talk about you know, how

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Speaker 3: do you do it?

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Speaker 2: It's exactly right. We have the NFL Awards and the

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Speaker 2: newest Hall of Fame class to react to. We have

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Speaker 2: our position group report cards to continue handing out, and

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Speaker 2: we obviously have the biggest of big games on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl sixty between the Seahawks and the Patriots to preview.

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Speaker 2: So Matt, let's start last night. Start with the NFL Awards,

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Speaker 2: start with the Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: and let's go there because there's two local ties, two

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Speaker 2: Steelers specific ties to this Pro Football Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: Class of twenty twenty six announcement last night. The first

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Speaker 2: is Elsie Greenwood did not get elected, Roger Craig being

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Speaker 2: the only senior class member to go. So no Ken Anderson,

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Speaker 2: no else. Obviously, we knew, no Belichick, no Craft, and

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Speaker 2: the coaches or contributors department as well. The second Steelers

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Speaker 2: tie is Adam Venit. Terry gets in and good lord,

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Speaker 2: would our brother Dale Lolly have been upset and fire

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Speaker 2: felt in some type of nut if this was his show?

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Speaker 2: I know he'd be heated to start, So Matt. The

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Speaker 2: five men going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: class of twenty twenty six Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Luke Keigley,

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Speaker 2: Roger Craig, and Adam vin Ry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So congrats to my buddy Larry. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think obviously it was an easy one, but you never

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Speaker 3: know until it's final. And he was extremely deserving and

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Speaker 3: boy was he fun to be around as a person

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Speaker 3: and player back when, you know, so that was awesome.

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Speaker 3: Makes me feel a little old that I remember him,

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Speaker 3: you know, nineteen years old. I remember him sixteen, you know,

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Speaker 3: watching his high school tape in Minnesota, you know, Academy

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Speaker 3: the Holy Angels and like that wasn't that long agoing

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Speaker 3: but I guess it was. And they also didn't screw

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Speaker 3: up with breeze good. You know, first time guys shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have higher parameters. Which brings me to Keekley. Why did

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Speaker 3: he have to wait a year? It's so bizarre to

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Speaker 3: me because he's almost the same slam dunk level as

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Speaker 3: Larry and Drew. To me, I mean, he's one of

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Speaker 3: the best line ten linebackers ever lived or so. I mean,

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Speaker 3: what do we talk about Craig leave Minoitarry for last

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Speaker 3: for Dale. Craig is very deserving too. I mean, as

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Speaker 3: the veteran this is going to sound disrespectful to Hall

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Speaker 3: of famers, but as veteran committee inductee possibilities exist, those

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Speaker 3: three are really strong. I mean, Elsie Anderson I've thought

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Speaker 3: could have gone in normally, you know, for many years. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a league MVP. And it's funny. I mentioned I

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Speaker 3: do a podcast with Brian Peacock, who's a Niners guy.

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Speaker 3: He's like eight years younger than me. He's like Roger Craig,

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Speaker 3: Montana Rice were like the three dudes. I knew the

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Speaker 3: first football player's names. I knew grewing up. And you've

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Speaker 3: heard my running back guitar player conversation. Roger Craig is

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Speaker 3: one of them. Really unique running style. He had a

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Speaker 3: cool face mask, real high knees, nobody was catching balls

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Speaker 3: in those times.

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Speaker 2: Of games different everybody else's time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm absolutely cool with him, with all respect

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Speaker 3: to else. I thought Craig was the most deserving of

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Speaker 3: the three. But it's a really good even more southern.

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Speaker 3: And yes, now out of Mianitary and Dale always overshadowed

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Speaker 3: me in this conversation, but I was exactly in the

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Speaker 3: same ballpark, like I can get behind Tucker when it's

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Speaker 3: his time. I mean, he was a weapon and clearly

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Speaker 3: the best kicker in the league for eight years in

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Speaker 3: a row. Vinetari. I know there's that that Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame argument of you can't.

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Speaker 2: It's a museum.

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Speaker 3: It's a museum, and you can't tell the story of

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Speaker 3: the league without him making a kick in this No, yes,

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Speaker 3: and yes he made a lot of big kicks, but

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Speaker 3: he was also because he was on a really good team.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I never thought he was the best kicker

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Speaker 3: he had two really good careers, the Patriot career of

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Speaker 3: he didn't kick off because he'd have a very strong

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Speaker 3: They brought out another guy, so they kept a kicker

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Speaker 3: elite player, definitely not those last ten years. And it's

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Speaker 3: kind of a longevity and highlights award. Yes, you can't

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Speaker 2: I think it's all these specialists in Hall of Fame conversation.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's the way I would label it. It's

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Speaker 2: all in how you frame it. Yeah, because again, if

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Speaker 2: you frame it as these hall of Fames or museums

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Speaker 2: of the sport, they tell the story of the sport.

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Speaker 2: You can make a case for Adam Vinenti in that regard.

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Speaker 2: But man, I think when you look at the backlog

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Speaker 2: of deserving candidates, that's when it kind of sticks in

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Speaker 2: your crawl of Suggs, who's what like seventh or eighth

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Speaker 2: all time in league history in sacks right right now,

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Speaker 2: He's gonna have to wait a potential third year to

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Speaker 2: get in I mean, how.

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Speaker 3: Many tight ends and more catches than Jason Witten? Not

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Speaker 2: I think you and I had this conversation at some

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Speaker 2: point last year. We weren't doing shows regularly yet. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it was at the Combine or something like that, when

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Speaker 2: we would kind of mix up our lineups and do

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Speaker 2: some crossover stuff. Like I have no problem with Devin

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Speaker 2: Hester getting into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna bring him up, but over Luke Keikley.

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Speaker 2: It's like, come on, Like, Devin Roster is the greatest

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Speaker 2: returner ever. He should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: But man, I like, not over a guy like Luke Keagley.

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Speaker 3: So I'm hoping, and it probably won't happen, but I'm

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Speaker 3: hoping they examined the process a little bit different maybe

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Speaker 3: this offseason, and maybe the Belichick gaff is enough to

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Speaker 3: Brady not gonna go next when he's up to I mean,

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Speaker 3: come on? And a couple of things I bring that

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Speaker 3: but I know some of them have been doing it

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Speaker 3: for too long. Yes, And what the scenario I brought

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Speaker 3: up before is sometimes you got to take the driver's

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Speaker 3: and can't see and he's eighty five years old.

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Speaker 2: I tell your parents, mom and dad, you shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Be driving right, Or you're not really even covering a

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Speaker 3: some of these dudes, or you're not really qualified anymore.

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Speaker 3: And certainly the process around the coaches should be different.

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Speaker 3: And that's where I kind of go with special teamers,

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Speaker 3: like let's have a special team once every four years,

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Speaker 3: a special teamer goes in and it's its own category

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Speaker 3: like coaches or whatever, you know, because you can't compare

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Speaker 3: a kicker or Steve Tasker or hester told the plays

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Speaker 3: every time right right, right exactly. And I use the

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Speaker 3: same example all the time with the Bills, Like if

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Speaker 3: you went to Marv Levy or Jim Kelly and been like,

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Speaker 3: would you rather we were out, Well, we missed Steve

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Speaker 3: Tasker for one of these Super Bowls, or Shane Conlin

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Speaker 3: or Ruben Brown, who aren't even close to Hall of famers,

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Speaker 3: but great players that play every day, it's even close,

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Speaker 3: you know, So they need to have their own category

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Speaker 3: that's then I would have a problem of Minitarry. He

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Speaker 3: is worthy as guys not named Tucker.

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Speaker 2: I think you and I are in lockstep on that one,

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Speaker 2: and I do think if there's ever a time to

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Speaker 2: revisit it, some of that some of that smoke, some

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Speaker 2: of that noise about the Belichick stuff might be what

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Speaker 2: what pushes that over the top.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to know who all the voters are and

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Speaker 3: how long they've been doing it in their current.

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Speaker 2: Age, Matt, I'd like to know that in a lot

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Speaker 2: of walks of life, Yes, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of walks of life. First time eligibles for the Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame in twenty twenty seven include.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't seen this, I know Ben's.

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Speaker 2: Up, Benjamin Todd, Roethlisberger, Rob Gronkowski, Adrian Peterson. I think

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Speaker 2: those are the big three. Then just slightly a step.

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Speaker 3: Down to as Larry and Drew.

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Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, slight step down, but still incredible.

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Speaker 2: Richard Sherman is is eligible, known to Cam Newton eligible

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Speaker 2: as well Antonio Brown, who would normally be a slam dunk,

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Speaker 2: but we know there's a lot going on there.

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Speaker 3: I bet they make him wait. But that's also a crime.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's an easy one to me.

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Speaker 2: And then uh then another kind of step back. Alex Mack,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Whitworth, Eric Weddle, lev Bell, Joe Hayden all good players.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think quite in the same tier as

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Speaker 2: those that first and second.

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Speaker 3: No, I actually think abs in that top tier if

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Speaker 3: you just look at what they did on the field,

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Speaker 3: which is the credit criteria.

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Speaker 2: You know, I agree, And it is important to note

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Speaker 2: as much as this isn't practiced, it's preached. There's not

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Speaker 2: a morality clause in the NFL. There is in baseball,

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Speaker 2: right right, there is not in in Canton. So now

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Staylor got in trouble, and you know, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that in practice ends up being

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Speaker 2: the case in all these voters' minds. There is not

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Speaker 2: a morality clause in the voting process like there is

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Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball. Matt NFL Awards, NFL Honors. Last night,

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Speaker 2: not only did we learn the latest Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: class for twenty twenty six, but we also learned all

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Speaker 2: those individual award winners that we had kind of discussed

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Speaker 2: and debated when the season ended. Let's start from the

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Speaker 2: top here and you know, just give some few thoughts

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we need to spend a lot

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Speaker 3: of time on most of them because there's not a

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Speaker 2: Agree. Yeah, and again we've kind of given our opinions

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Speaker 2: on all this in the past. Matt Stafford wins MVP

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Speaker 2: at age thirty seven and his seventeenth NFL season. I

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Speaker 2: know Drake May had a great case, but I think

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Speaker 2: this is the right call. I think this is richly deserved.

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Speaker 3: I heard some I guess so they were neck and neck,

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Speaker 3: much like Alan and Lamar last year, which I totally understand. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think both the guys last year had stronger cases

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Speaker 3: than both the guys this year. But that's neither here

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Speaker 3: nor there. And speaking of voters that, I guess it

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Speaker 3: came out that between Herbert and Allen they got three votes, okay,

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Speaker 3: which a lot of people had May supporters had a

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Speaker 3: problem with, like what are you voting for those guys?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm like the sort of throw it out there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it came down to, like there's

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Speaker 2: Okay, So those people thought, well, if that you would

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Speaker 2: have voted for May instead, right, maybe they would have

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Speaker 2: voted for Stafford. R.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, should I have no problem with Stafford over May

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Speaker 2: That's that's where I would go to. And maybe this

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Speaker 2: That's the type of greed they speak about in.

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Speaker 3: No, no, he'd have been my vote to Coach of

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Speaker 3: These awards should, I think, are placed after the regular season.

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Speaker 2: There they are, so that's the way it should be.

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Speaker 3: And I think Bears, Jags, Niners coaches all had a

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Speaker 2: All right, Matt, it is a our last day here

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Speaker 2: And Matt, I'm very excited because I think in a

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Speaker 4: It doesn't count, right, I mean, never saw the field,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we could have some thoughts on Mason,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with the Rudolph just because we did

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Speaker 3: He looks like greg Kowski left Charlie or you know exactly.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right, Okay, but enough on him. I mean, obviously

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00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: this is the Rogers conversation mostly good. I think numbers

436
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: and some film could lead you down a path where

437
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: you don't want to go down. Go back to him,

438
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: and I understand that, but I think his presence carries

439
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: a lot of weight in this conversation too.

440
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: And the.

441
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,239
Speaker 3: Intangibles with air, yeah, the wisdom. I keep calling him

442
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 3: wise because he's old, but he's so knowledgeable of the game,

443
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: and I want him around, you know. And I don't

444
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 3: think he's going to really change how he plays the game.

445
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: I mean, he is an old dog that is not lose,

446
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 3: you know, changing.

447
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 2: He's an old accomplished dog.

448
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

449
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: He's the best in show four times.

450
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: Yes, we talked about the awards. He used to be

451
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: in those every year, you know, so I have great

452
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 3: respect for him. But I do think in today's NFL,

453
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 3: if you're not a runner, you have to be Matthew Stafford.

454
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you have to be an MVP from the

455
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 3: pocket player. It's so important now, you know. So much

456
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 3: of it comes down to my old line is as

457
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 3: good as the D line, So I need an improv player.

458
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: And as you say, if you're one of those traditional

459
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: pocket passing quarterbacks, defensive coordinators look at that when they're

460
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: preparing and they say, thank you, thanks. One less thing that.

461
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: You have to be the best in the league at it.

462
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 3: You know, you have to be Burrow and he's got

463
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: a lot more athleticism than Rogers, you know what I mean,

464
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: you need to be Stafford, you know, an MVP type

465
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: of guy. It's hard way to win. I mean on

466
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: third and four if you can't scramble when things go wrong,

467
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 3: because they always go wrong in any team. That really

468
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 3: bothers me. Throwing short of the sticks over and over

469
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: and over, not necessarily short passing game. I mean, I

470
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: think there's something to be said for that, and that

471
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: got better as the season went on. I mean, he

472
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 3: was at the bottom of the league of average depth

473
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Speaker 3: of target, but he's also like historically low of throwing

474
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Speaker 3: short of the sticks. Yes, and I don't think I'm

475
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 3: sure some of that. I don't think that it's one

476
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Speaker 3: hundred percent. I don't want to get hit. I'm getting

477
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 3: the ball in my hands. But there is some of that,

478
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: I think at his age, and it happened to all

479
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: of that.

480
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: It happens to every quarter plus that is fortunate enough

481
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Speaker 2: to play into their you know, forty.

482
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 3: Ish, let's not forget their humans, you know.

483
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: The same one with Ben at the end of his career,

484
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: with Brady at the end of his.

485
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: Career, Eli Breeze. He just went in. Matt Ryan, you know,

486
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning, all those dudes got it out, you know,

487
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: partially because they're so good above them neck too, sure

488
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: that they could read things quick too. So fortunately you

489
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: can play long. But I'm gonna give a bee. So

490
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: I'll give the whole position a B minus. Just that

491
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: smidge of Rudolph's enough to And that's compared to thirty

492
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: one other rooms. I mean, again, that's not compared to

493
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Speaker 3: what we've had here lately.

494
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Speaker 2: That's it A but you know, or at least like

495
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Speaker 2: a B plus, right, right.

496
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's way better. It's the best it's been

497
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: in a while. And I believe on the right day

498
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 3: this might sound foolish after watching the Texans that he

499
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: could win you that coveted playoff game that you know,

500
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: where I never felt Rudolph for Trubisky or pick it

501
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: or you know.

502
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there was a time when the Steelers

503
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: were ten and three and leaving Washington with that crazy

504
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: ending and the Russell Wilson touchdown pass to Williams and

505
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: then getting them to jump off sides at the end

506
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: of the game, like okay, we were like this team

507
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: could this team could potentially make some noise, but then

508
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: they lost, you.

509
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: Know, then they proved five straight Yeah, yeah, was.

510
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the four straight to end the regular season and

511
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: then and then the playoff game as well to make

512
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: it five total. Uh and yeah. There was absolutely times

513
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: this past year where I don't think anyone was saying,

514
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: here we go super Bowl. No, definitely, you can win

515
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: a home playoff game and then yeah, and then who knows,

516
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: And then.

517
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: This is a better version going into the playoffs than had.

518
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: Ben then going to Arrowhead a few years ago, going

519
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: to going to Buffalo, going to Baltimore.

520
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And I think Rogers had a lot to

521
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 3: do with that. He totally did, And he probably should

522
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: have been Team MVP.

523
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: I think he to. He definitely, Yeah, but.

524
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: He's not a top ten quarterback in the league anymore. No,

525
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: I mean he's not better than Dak and let alone

526
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: the guys we was talked about for MVP and you know,

527
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: and the running things a problem.

528
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: And this is more of a like one of the

529
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: things that I have in our in our season conversation

530
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: is to talk about what it looks like if it

531
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: is Aaron Rodgers under seventy twenty twenty six, And I

532
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: know that doesn't relate directly to this, but I still

533
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: it's it's hard not to kind of view the season

534
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: in increments, whereas at times beginning of the year, Seattle

535
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: game aside, I thought there was a lot of success

536
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: out of the shoot for the offense, and then there

537
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: was some stagnant and then it felt like they found

538
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: their footing again, and then there was some stagnant. It

539
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: was kind of up and down roller coaster nature.

540
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: Like there was that Chargers game was like, whoa.

541
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: This is bad Buffalo Bill's game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but

542
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: then you played some really good ones down the stretch.

543
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: I thought, I'm just talking about the quarterback position specifically,

544
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: specifically Chargers was like, WHOA, that might be again the

545
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: end rough.

546
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Baltimore on the road was really good and encouraging. Yeah,

547
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 2: in the stretch. You know, there were some of those

548
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: games down the stretch as well where I thought Cleveland

549
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: was a bad one. So it was kind of, you know,

550
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: it was kind of back and forth.

551
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 3: And part of me would be excited to see him

552
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: and McCarthy get the band together too.

553
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: Sure, right, I think what you said is fair, though

554
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give Aaron Rodgers a B. I would lean

555
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: closer to B plus for him than B minus, But

556
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: overall for the room, I'm gonna give them a B minus.

557
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: I would lean closer to B than C plus. You

558
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. But I think I think a

559
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: B is right for Aaron Rodgers. Pro Football Focus had

560
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 2: him graded twenty ninth out of thirty eight eligible quarterbacks

561
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I don't think that's right.

562
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody has to do with no running.

563
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: And that's of course, that's you know what, to be fair,

564
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: that's a huge part of it.

565
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: It's like Derek Henry. It doesn't catch passes, you know

566
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: what I mean, It does reas I'd be I'd good

567
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: at what he does, but he doesn't.

568
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: Wondering actually if so if I do? Just passing on

569
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: here where they have Aaron Rodgers ranked one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, forty, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty,

570
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two say a little bit better, not

571
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: much better, but they have him twenty two. Just in

572
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: terms of pure passing.

573
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: I do think he's better than the twenty second best

574
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: quarterback in the league still though.

575
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: I do too. But you and I had going in

576
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: to this season and training camp, we had a conversation

577
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: of is Aaron Rodgers still top twelve? I think was

578
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: how we find it, And I think we said he's

579
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: right around that range. Now I would say he's closer

580
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: to sixteen. He's closer to.

581
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: You can start listening names pretty.

582
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: Quickly, sixteen to eighteen nineteen range, which again is still

583
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: good enough to be effective. Yeah, but it's not enough

584
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: to carry an offense and put you over the top.

585
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: And he has his moments. He certainly doesn't mean he

586
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 3: sure has his moments, that's for sure. Now this is

587
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: sort of a side note, and I bet people know

588
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: this about me already, but when we start talking about

589
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: drafting the next quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, it's going

590
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: to be really hard to convince me. When you when

591
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: you have a lot to choose from, and you hit

592
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: your wag into a young player with a high pick.

593
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: This is gonna take a lot to convince me of

594
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: a guy that's not at least as mobile as Burrow,

595
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like Mendoza is like at

596
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: the line.

597
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: He's the Mendoza line.

598
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of the Mendoza. Yeah that works.

599
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: In fact, we might we might be onto something going forward.

600
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: I'm you need to be at least that.

601
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: I think anybody that would argue with that right now

602
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: is crazy.

603
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: Does understand league they're they're.

604
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: They're either a a dinosaur who's been in this league

605
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: for fifty years and refuses to change, or they or

606
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: they're just someone with their head buried in the sand.

607
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too important.

608
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: I completely agree, And that is certainly You're right. It's

609
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: not the end all be all, certainly when evaluating quarterbacks,

610
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: but there is a line, a Mendoza line, that you

611
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: have to clear.

612
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: And hey, I'd love a Lamar Allen athlete, but I mean,

613
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: why do you think they're so good?

614
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: That?

615
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: Sure adds to it.

616
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely safeties Matt Williams, This is an interesting one. Got

617
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: to include Ramsey in this conversation. Chuck Clark, Kyle Duggard,

618
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: jabro Peppers, Jalen Ramsey, Deshaun Elliott. I think that Thornhill,

619
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: Juan Thornhill could call knew I was forgetting somebody.

620
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: And count.

621
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Killerbrew doesn't count like I don't think

622
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: Sebastian Castro counts.

623
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: No, So I mean, let's do a little bit of

624
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: a timeline. I mean it was Thornhill and Elliott where

625
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: you're opening day starters, Yes, and Elliott would have been

626
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: the starter stop to finish, and my grade on him

627
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: as a B plus or an A minus. But I

628
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: think you have to look at it this way too,

629
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: is if there were two thousand snaps of safety play

630
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: this year and I'm just make this up, and Elliott

631
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: played five hundred of it, well, he only accounts for

632
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: twenty five percent of your grade, and he didn't play enough.

633
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: The Thornhill stuff was bad.

634
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: That's why he was That's why he was in and

635
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: out like a fast food restaurant.

636
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: Similar to the slave conversation. I mean, that was a

637
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: veiled mistake. Chuck Clark did some things, but he's one

638
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: of those.

639
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: Guys you're not a fan of anyone who's listened to

640
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: this show for more than well, he doesn't have the

641
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: turning speed, yeah, closing speed that you want at that position.

642
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: As you've been sighting. I mean, I think offense coordinators

643
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: were real happy he's on the field. Pepper's I don't

644
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: know why he didn't play more, but I thought that

645
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: he should outsnap Clark. They never agreed with me. I

646
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: have to defer to them. Of course they're there. Does

647
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: he not know his assignments? Is he not on the

648
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: right page here?

649
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: He was their highest graded safety in run defense.

650
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: Cons was does this have his snapcounts? It doesn't matter

651
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: if he doesn't.

652
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: One hundred snaps on defense.

653
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they picked him up. I thought he'd be way

654
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Speaker 3: more involved.

655
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: That's waylow. Chuck Clark for seventy Douggers seven to seventy five.

656
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Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey, as we said yesterday, was second on the team. Yeah,

657
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: in snaps almost twelve hundred for Jalen Ramsey to eighty

658
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: one for Deshaun Elliott.

659
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: Douger is another tough one. There's some splash, and he

660
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: was way better when you're early in his Steeler career

661
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: than mid than later.

662
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: I think you still make that trade a hundred times

663
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: out of a hunt.

664
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: You'd be worse off.

665
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: Without, be worse off without him, like he was way

666
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: more of a success. Yes, but you're right, there was

667
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: towards Elliot's way better though towards the end there was

668
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: some some of that shine wore off a little bit

669
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Speaker 2: and some coordinators started to figure it out a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

671
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ramsey is a safety is an interesting conversation because.

672
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Speaker 2: He's another one that we're going to have here, yeah,

673
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: pretty soon.

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Speaker 3: Because maybe not to mention, I mean, he's expensive too

675
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 3: in terms of bringing him back.

676
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: How do you value his cost, his experience, the intangibles

677
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: that you know he brings to.

678
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: Ye and I know that he verse came to Florida State.

679
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: As a safe, giving giving him the opportunity to really

680
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: learn to be a safety, and that's just popping on

681
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: the moving train in the middle of the years.

682
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Speaker 3: Like throwing Fanica from guard to left tackle to get

683
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Speaker 3: you out of the game and be like, well you

684
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: got beat with speed off his you know, outside shoulders,

685
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: Like that's what he is. You're right, give him a

686
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: year to learn and it's been okay because there were

687
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Speaker 3: some angles and some things that Ramsey did as a

688
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: safety that were rookie ish. Yeah you know what I mean.

689
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Speaker 2: As a guy who's playing that position for the first time.

690
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think he's a as only a satan

691
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: only a safety had a C plus season.

692
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: I was thinking C plus B minds.

693
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was torn between the two, and I'd give

694
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: the position as a whole a C minus. Yeah. I

695
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: think Ramsey, if you graded them all, Elliott would be

696
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Speaker 3: my best grade. Ramsey's probably my second. And if he's

697
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Speaker 3: a C or would I give him a C plus

698
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: C plus and everybody else is below that. Yeah, And

699
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: they made a lot of Thornhill. Yeah, those Thornhill snaps count.

700
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: It didn't absolutely sink you.

701
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: They were smart to adjust.

702
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: They were.

703
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: They could have got worse.

704
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: It could have absolutely, they absolutely improved it given the

705
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: cards that they were dealt, missing to Shawn Elliott for

706
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: such a huge stretch, but it was still I think

707
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Speaker 2: if you go d r F, it's too far. Yeah,

708
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: but I think anything higher than a sea is probably

709
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: too much. That's sea is average, right, And that's about

710
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: what it was.

711
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: Made some impact play he did, and he has he's

712
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: a presence and he's a hitter, and I think he

713
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: can be a really good safety. Which but this little

714
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: conversation makes me I've been on the fence on it

715
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: makes me think one of those three third round picks

716
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: maybe should be on an athletic safety, no matter what

717
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: you do with everybody else.

718
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: And let me tell you before we before we close

719
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Speaker 2: with those special teamers here real quick, let me tell

720
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: you this, Matt. If Tyler Loup makes that field goal

721
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: and the Steelers lose that final game of the season,

722
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: we're talking a lot more about Jalen Ramsey and Isaiah

723
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 2: Likely on that fourth and oh yeah, million convert fourth.

724
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: You know that twenty some yard game right in front

725
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 2: of Jalen Ramsey that he did not play well.

726
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: The play you can't give up, play.

727
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: You can't give up. He gave up and you got

728
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: away with it. But we would be I think our

729
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: our tune would be very different if that would have

730
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: been the play that kind of sunk you and the

731
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Speaker 2: Ravens make that field.

732
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: Goal, and I'll be honest, all those players we mentioned

733
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: are on the slip o side for safeties in today's NFL,

734
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: including Ramsey. Yes, I mean yeah at his age. Again,

735
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: you need to be faster, more athletic in the secondary.

736
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Speaker 2: Matt, we got like two minutes. Do you want to

737
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: do special do you want to do bas and weight

738
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Speaker 2: min or do you want to save that for next week?

739
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: Let's do it next week? Okay, because I think we got

740
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: to talk a little bit about coverage teams and kickoff returns.

741
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: I don't think it's just yeah, I'm not gonna break

742
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: down Christian Koons, but I mean I think there's more

743
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: to it than just the dude swinging their legs.

744
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: That's what That's what TV TV was asking me earlier today.

745
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: He was like, when you guys do special teams, He's like,

746
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 2: how in depth? Like do we need do we need

747
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: Coons footage?

748
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 3: Here? Do we need we need Gunner footage?

749
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: I was like, it'll mostly it'll.

750
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Speaker 3: Be Butcronic went the Pro Bowl. Was he's gonna come up?

751
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: He sure did.

752
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

753
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: Hey, he was a guest on the show this year.

754
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: That's what happened his show as a guest, and good

755
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: things happened. Uh So, let's let's let you right, Let's

756
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: let's couch that one for next week and we can

757
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: we can have a little bit more of a of

758
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: a thorough conversation of those guys, and I think there's

759
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: some good Boswell conversation to have too.

760
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

761
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, after what was still by league standards, a great

762
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: year for him, but by his standard, might have been

763
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: a slight.

764
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Speaker 3: Sence, especially after the year he had the year before.

765
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: It's kind of like thesation. It's your standards are so

766
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: stinking high. You can almost only go backwards.

767
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: Bos only direction one direction ago, Yes, what's you gonna make?

768
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: You could either plateau or he can get worse. You

769
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: can't really get better when you're the best of the best.

770
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: But let's let's couch that. We'll save that for next week. Matt,

771
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: I want to before we turn the page completely to

772
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and hour number two. Uh, some interesting

773
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Speaker 2: comments conversation between Rob King and Mike McCarthy. Oh, that's cool,

774
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: some real good stuff on the trenches, on the quarterbacks

775
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: on heading into the off season. We'll play some of

776
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Speaker 2: that to close down the first hour. When we return.

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Speaker 2: It is the Drive Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio.

778
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Speaker 1: Network, your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to

779
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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

780
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Speaker 2: Busy beefy first hour here on the Drive. In our

781
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Speaker 2: number two, we are going to deep dive into, of course,

782
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Speaker 2: Sunday's big game, Super Bowl sixty, all the stats, all

783
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: the matchups. I've got some would you rathers for Matt

784
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: Williamson that I want to throw at him. In our

785
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: number two, we'll obviously get to some of your tweets

786
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: and our predictions, final thoughts on how Sunday's game will

787
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Speaker 2: play out. But before we kind of turn the page

788
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: and fully focus on Sunday's big game, I did want

789
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Speaker 2: to play a few comments from Rob Kings one on

790
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Speaker 2: one with Steelers head coach Mike McCarthy. We've been all

791
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Speaker 2: over the place these last couple of weeks, right keeping

792
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Speaker 2: in lockstep with the playoffs and the Super Bowl, all

793
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: the coaching changes around the NFL, and of course here

794
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. But I didn't want to miss this because

795
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: are really good. Just a couple of minutes of Rob King,

796
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: our guy, of course, the voice of the Steelers, the

797
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: host of in the Locker Room with Max Starks, sitting

798
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: down for just a few minutes with Mike McCarthy as

799
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 2: he gets ready to attack his first off season as

800
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: Steelers head coach. Here's what he had to say.

801
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 5: The side, this franchise, this fan base made the world

802
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 5: to me, because Pittsburgh's my world and it's just awesome

803
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 5: to be back here.

804
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 6: So first of all, Mike, congratulations, And what is it

805
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 6: like to be the head coach of the Pittsburgh The.

806
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 5: Others, Oh wow, surreal. I know I keep saying that,

807
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 5: but it's it's dumby to a point, just to I mean,

808
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 5: to grow up here, and you know, the great teams

809
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 5: of the seventies. The seventies was you know, such a

810
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 5: great decade you know for Super Bowls and you know,

811
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 5: the Pirates went into World Series. Pitt won a National

812
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 5: championship seventy six. So you know, Pittsburgh is just just

813
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 5: a you know a huge part of who I am

814
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: and how I was raised, you know, with my parents,

815
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, right there in the you know, in the

816
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 5: neighborhood of Greenfield. So it's it's a it's amazing on

817
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 5: so many different level. You know. The professional opportunity is incredible.

818
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 5: You know, I'm obviously very much in tune with you know,

819
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 5: the way the Rooneys, you know, operate. I mean, to

820
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 5: think that you have the opportunity to work for Art

821
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 5: Rooney is you know, you got to pinch yourself. So

822
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 5: but you know, to be to be home personally too,

823
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: it is just a it's a I feel like it

824
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 5: was meant to be.

825
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 6: Frankly, so whirlwind right, you fly in, you go over,

826
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 6: you sign the contract, caver, you talk to the press,

827
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 6: So what's it been like.

828
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Speaker 5: It was great. I mean to have your family there,

829
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 5: you know obviously my my, my parents and my kids

830
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: and that could get here and so yeah, it's it.

831
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 5: It tugs at you without a doubt. But at the

832
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 5: end of the day, I'm I'm a football coach. I

833
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: am really looking forward to getting started. I know what

834
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 5: this team means to the fan base, you know, I

835
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 5: know how passing it it is back here. I mean,

836
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: I'm excited to wear the black and gold. You know,

837
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: it's it's you know, it's it's what I grew up on.

838
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 6: How about the support of former players, current players showing

839
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 6: up as well?

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Speaker 5: That was that was outstanding. Just for them to show up,

841
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 5: you know, that means a lot. You know, just you know,

842
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: see Mal Blunt's I mean, guy, could you imagine receivers

843
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 5: still today? It's just yeah, definitely see Joey Porter. I

844
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 5: haven't seen Joey in a while. And you know, you

845
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 5: see Junior there too, and you know, yeah, I thought

846
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 5: that was awesome and Alex and all those guys.

847
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 6: So yeah, you're asked in the press conference about your

848
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 6: desire to coach again, was what was the process like

849
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 6: leading up to the interviews.

850
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 5: It would be honest for me, my desire to coach again,

851
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 5: like Frankly never left. I mean, it's I mean, if

852
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 5: you would see my home office, I think you'd understand,

853
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: you know, just my process. You know, you know, I

854
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 5: have every I have a book from every game I

855
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 5: coached then since nineteen eighty nine. I have a library.

856
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 5: That's that's extensive. Frankly, I went back and looked at

857
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 5: some things from twenty ten offensively that that I you know,

858
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: may may you know go back to you know, just

859
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: as far as variations of scheme, because you know, scheme

860
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 5: and in our game is is a it's an evolving

861
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 5: you know. I've always looked that way, and it's important

862
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 5: to stay on the front end of scheme. Variations come

863
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 5: in our league and they go back out. So just

864
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 5: doing things like that, so I always stayed in it.

865
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 5: It's not that I was away, but I'm really proud

866
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 5: of the family time that I spent because you know,

867
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 5: I think all coaches, and I know myself, could could

868
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: have done a better job of that in my earlier years.

869
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Speaker 5: So you know, my two youngest or fourteen and seventeen,

870
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: So just just the time that I've had specifically with

871
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 5: them has been has been a blessing.

872
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 6: What is your general assessment of this year's roster.

873
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 5: It's a playoff roster. I mean, how many playoff teams

874
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: come open to a new head coach and so, I

875
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 5: mean that's the way I view it. But you know,

876
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 5: it's it's really you know, how do you how do

877
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 5: you move the needle? That's that's something I'm always looking for.

878
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: How do you move the needle of the men in

879
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 5: that locker room. So you know, we'll do a hell

880
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 5: of a job to bring together a ninety manin roster.

881
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: You know, it super competitive. I'm a big believer in

882
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 5: my career reflects that of draft, develop and retain. I

883
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 5: think the second contract of your of your players shows

884
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 5: is reflective of what your program is doing and how

885
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 5: you're moving that along. So you know, I'm looking forward

886
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 5: to adding a hell of a draft class. I'm excited

887
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 5: about having two extra weeks in the off season program

888
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 5: and and getting to know these guys. Number one, but

889
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 5: you know, just make sure you're you know, we're sitting

890
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 5: the course, you know, to to train and compete and

891
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 5: then you know, when we get you know, the week.

892
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 6: One, we'll be ready to go omark On and is

893
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: staff to last three drafts that he's been in charge of.

894
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 6: It really invested a lot in the offensive and defensive lines.

895
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 6: Is that aligned with your own philosophies?

896
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 5: Love it? I love it. I think it's just you

897
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: don't have to go any further than the playoff teams.

898
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 5: I mean, you can't win. You can't win an these games,

899
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: but you know, winning in the trenches, you know, because

900
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 5: the trenches set up everything. So I don't think you

901
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: have enough lineman. I can't really have enough players, as

902
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 5: we know, but the game changes when you lose guys

903
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 5: up front and they're hard to find, you know, especially

904
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 5: you get into you know, November December. So but yeah,

905
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: I don't think you can have enough offensive defensive linement.

906
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 6: You've worked with a lot of great quarterbacks. You've also

907
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 6: had success with quarterbacks whose resumes aren't Hall of Fame resumes.

908
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 6: Art Rooney identified getting you to help develop the next

909
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 6: quarterback is an important thing for the students, regardless of

910
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 6: who you're working with, a veteran or a younger player

911
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 6: who you're trying to develop.

912
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: How important is.

913
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 6: That for you?

914
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 5: I mean it's super important and factly, you know, that's

915
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 5: that's my foundation, you know, developing quarterbacks and and I

916
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 5: can't wait to work with Will Hired. You know, it's

917
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 5: it's important to you know, a have a complete understanding

918
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 5: of you know who he is, where he is, and

919
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: you know what his starting point in the fact that

920
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 5: he's going in the year two. I love that. I

921
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 5: love getting guys in their first or second year because

922
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 5: I've felt that's where you know, my experience has been

923
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 5: you can make the biggest impact. And I look back

924
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: at the guys that I was able to work with

925
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: them in the first and second year. I take a

926
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: lot of pride and what we were able to accomplish

927
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 5: and what they've done moving on from there, you know,

928
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 5: because it's just psych anything whether they're playing or coaching.

929
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 5: You know, to have people that can build a foundation with.

930
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you look at my career of Pitt,

931
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 5: the coaches that I was able to work with as

932
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 5: an assistant, I mean it's a you know, multiple head

933
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 5: coaches in the NFL. Mostly all of our staff at

934
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 5: Pitt went to the NFL. So and then you know,

935
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 5: now the same thing I get into the league and

936
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 5: be able to work with these quarterbacks, and we might

937
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Speaker 5: I'm my first quarterback rooms Joe Montana and Dave Craig.

938
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Speaker 5: I mean I think there were thirty eight and thirty seven.

939
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 5: I mean it was it was incredible. I mean I

940
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: couldn't take notes fast enough. So just the experiences that

941
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: I've been able to learn from, and that's where you

942
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 5: know where I am in my life. You know, I

943
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: try to give that back to the coaches and the

944
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Speaker 5: players that I work with.

945
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Speaker 3: Now.

946
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Speaker 2: It's been a heck of a football life from Mike

947
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Speaker 2: McCarthy and one that has led him back to his

948
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: hometown and a heck of an opportunity heading into his

949
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Speaker 2: first season with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hour in the Books,

950
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Speaker 2: Another Hour to Go, Hour number two. We are deep

951
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Speaker 2: diving into everything Super Bowl sixty. When we return on

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