Speaker 1: Also media welcome. It could happen here a podcast beset
Speaker 1: by horrors of such magnitude that sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: go back to a thing that you just talked about
Speaker 1: because there were more horrors in it that you didn't
Speaker 1: have time to cover the first time you went to
Speaker 1: the horror. Sorry, the first two times you went through
Speaker 1: the horrors and with me to talk about the horrors.
Speaker 1: Is doctor kave Hoda, who is a doctor? I guess,
Speaker 1: as you probably could have guessed from the title. You know,
Speaker 1: I scripted this out very poorly. Uh, this is great,
Speaker 1: You're doing great, Keep going, I say, scripted this out.
Speaker 2: Literally.
Speaker 1: The only part of this introduction that was in my
Speaker 1: notes was cave Hoda, doctor and host of House of
Speaker 1: Pod and friend of the show, which was not in
Speaker 1: my notes either.
Speaker 3: But that's right, friend. The energy is chaotic today. Friend,
Speaker 3: most importantly, yeah, it has to be. That is the
Speaker 3: normal response to what is happening in this world. If
Speaker 3: we don't embrace a little chaos, and we will lose
Speaker 3: our minds.
Speaker 2: So I am. I am loving how this is going
Speaker 2: so far.
Speaker 1: I am so glad because there is so much chaos.
Speaker 1: One of the chaos things that we have been tracking,
Speaker 1: and that you spend a hideous amount of time tracking
Speaker 1: too much on your share too much. Yes, it's not good,
Speaker 1: it's very bad. Please stop doing this stuff so we
Speaker 1: can all go back to doing normal things in our lives.
Speaker 3: I would love to just do more fart jokes and
Speaker 3: episodes on poop, but people in power keep saying and
Speaker 3: doing terrible things. You have crazy, terrible things that make
Speaker 3: me feel like I'm losing my mind. So I have
Speaker 3: to keep doing this from ultards one because someone's got
Speaker 3: to talk about it. Two, it's sort of therapy for me,
Speaker 3: Like if I just internalize this, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be a miserable person. So thanks, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to talk to you about well.
Speaker 1: Okay, see this Literally every single time I do an episode,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm really excited to talk to you. And also,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I wish we did not to talk about this.
Speaker 1: That's how everyone feels. That's that's when they see me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's terrible, God, really, truly, we got to stop meeting
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: One day. We'll do a find episode one day and.
Speaker 4: I swear to God.
Speaker 1: Okay, but the thing that I've been talking about, that
Speaker 1: we've both been covering is basically the annihilation of the
Speaker 1: entire US medical establishment at the federal level is being
Speaker 1: systematically dismantled. And one of the ways that's being sematically
Speaker 1: dismantled is that a bunch of people have been put
Speaker 1: in charge of it who are I mean, two years ago,
Speaker 1: were fringe anti vaccine cranks and are now running like
Speaker 1: the most sophisticated like public health institutions that have ever existed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As a producer extraordinaire, so lichtrom In once said, you
Speaker 3: can't put a hater in charge of the thing that
Speaker 3: they hate the most, and that is what has happened,
Speaker 3: completely and fully, almost at every step of this government,
Speaker 3: they find the person that hates it the most and
Speaker 3: they put that person in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the big sort of I
Speaker 1: don't know if turning points is the right word, but
Speaker 1: one of the major events we've been covering from this
Speaker 1: was the announcement by Rfkgnior and Trump that they had
Speaker 1: found what causes autism and also ADHD too, which I
Speaker 1: got very little coverage. I think I said this last
Speaker 1: time I talked about this. It was very baffling. But
Speaker 1: there's just there was so much in that whole thing
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of the stuff kind of
Speaker 1: fell through the cracks inside of like, well, there was
Speaker 1: a lot, there was a lot to digest the so much.
Speaker 1: There's so much, and so I guess I want to
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about mostly the hepatitis B thing,
Speaker 1: but also just sort of the broader anti VAXX stuff
Speaker 1: that was in this before we get into I don't know,
Speaker 1: like the weirder, more boutique anti vax stuff, which is
Speaker 1: like the anti hepatitis B vagcazine stuff, a thing that
Speaker 1: I didn't realize people were against children getting until like now,
Speaker 1: and like I follow these things decently closely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start a little bit with.
Speaker 1: Like, let's let's ease the audience into this by going
Speaker 1: back to the classics, the greatest hits. We didn't really
Speaker 1: have one hit, the one hit of the anti vaccine movement,
Speaker 1: which was Trump's stuff about separating the MMR vaccine.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, recently during that press conference where he really
Speaker 3: threw tail and all under the bus. He also really
Speaker 3: it was weird because there's no new evidence. I want
Speaker 3: to make that clear. There was no new evidence that
Speaker 3: they presented about vaccine. But Trump actually really harped on
Speaker 3: vaccines and his thoughts, his medical opinion, and his advice
Speaker 3: on how.
Speaker 2: To manage vaccines. It's truly bizarre.
Speaker 3: Never seen a president say or do those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: But one of the things he mentioned was the MMR vaccine,
Speaker 3: the measles, mumps, rubella, and he said that it should
Speaker 3: be split into three separate shots, again medically unfounded. It really,
Speaker 3: as you have alluded to, echoes these long debunked claims,
Speaker 3: these Wakefield like claims, starting from back in nineteen ninety eight. Again,
Speaker 3: Wakefield was the disgraced author of that vaccine study that
Speaker 3: tied it to autism, lost his medical license for that.
Speaker 3: But that has persisted and carried on, and the seeds
Speaker 3: of that are still growing terrible, terrible plants in trees today,
Speaker 3: and one of them was this fruit of Trump saying
Speaker 3: we should break up the MMR vaccine. So to say
Speaker 3: it up front, one, there's no reason to do that.
Speaker 3: There's no reason that shows improved safety. There's no credible
Speaker 3: evidence to suggest that at least, and more importantly, the
Speaker 3: more you split these things up, the more likely you're
Speaker 3: gonna end up missing doses. That is like a known fact.
Speaker 3: If you delay vaccines, if you split them up more
Speaker 3: than they need to be, there is a much greater
Speaker 3: chance you will miss that. In case this is not clear,
Speaker 3: measles is bad. It is one of the most contagious
Speaker 3: viruses out there, and lower vaccination rates quickly lead to outbreaks,
Speaker 3: as we're already starting to see, and when there's already
Speaker 3: some hesitancy in the community, pushing it like this is
Speaker 3: a terrible thing. So even though that was a throwaway
Speaker 3: statement from the President of the United States, it could
Speaker 3: have serious repercussions.
Speaker 2: And it's very concerning.
Speaker 1: And I've also I have committed myself every single time
Speaker 1: this comes up that the Wakefield study, which is where
Speaker 1: this whole separate data war thing like came up a
Speaker 1: it's not even a conclusion that even even if you
Speaker 1: take his completely fake premise that he made up, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually follow that you should split the vaccines up, right,
Speaker 1: It's baffling. But the second thing is the reason he
Speaker 1: wanted to split the vaccines up was that he was
Speaker 1: trying to sell his own vaccines. Correct, He was just
Speaker 1: trying to sell his own vaccin I it makes me
Speaker 1: insane every single time this has talked about, because this
Speaker 1: whole thing is sabetically.
Speaker 2: It's literally an industrial complex. It's like the end vaccine
Speaker 2: industrial complex. They're all trying to sell you something. That's
Speaker 2: the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I was watching Trump give this talk this press conference,
Speaker 3: and I said, I think I said this on another
Speaker 3: show here on this channel. I started to disassociate. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this can't be real life. I am I dreaming is this?
Speaker 3: It felt like I was having an out of body experience.
Speaker 3: It did not feel real to me.
Speaker 1: To be fully transparent, I did not make it through
Speaker 1: that press conference.
Speaker 2: Watching it on video.
Speaker 1: About like four minutes in, I was like, fuck this,
Speaker 1: I'm going to read the transcript. So I'm just working
Speaker 1: off the transcript because I was like, I can't.
Speaker 2: It was tough. I can't do this.
Speaker 3: So on my podcast, The House of Pod you should
Speaker 3: all listen to it, I played a clip from Trump
Speaker 3: talking about tail and all and another clip of him
Speaker 3: talking about heptis B and when you listen to it.
Speaker 3: When I listened back to it as I was editing it,
Speaker 3: it sounded like I edited his clips to make him
Speaker 3: sound crazy.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 3: I just took straight from what he says, and it
Speaker 3: just the way he was talking, it's hard to listen to.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to read too, but the way
Speaker 3: he talks, it's so disjointed and he just goes from
Speaker 3: one thought to the next. Hey, does this weave thing
Speaker 3: that he thinks is so clever, But it's just lost.
Speaker 3: The threads are never brought back together. It's just an unraveled,
Speaker 3: terrible rug of lies. And that is that is why
Speaker 3: it's so hard to listen to him. I totally understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and this has also been you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things that most of the media has done
Speaker 1: is that you know, in order to be able to
Speaker 1: like play a listenable clip on air, right, and also
Speaker 1: in sort of innservative power, they edit the clips to
Speaker 1: make him sound like a normal human being. Right, So
Speaker 1: the version of it that people are seeing is not
Speaker 1: the version where he's just sort of completely ranting incoherently
Speaker 1: and like, you know, you just see these clips. But
Speaker 1: then also because they're because they're they're editing it down
Speaker 1: progressively more and more like.
Speaker 2: Just more.
Speaker 1: Stuff more, just like information content gets lost every time,
Speaker 1: which is the problem because there's just like so much.
Speaker 2: The fire hose in this of nonsense. Yeah, title my
Speaker 2: first albums incredible, incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, so you know what, we're going to
Speaker 1: a second fire hose of nonsense.
Speaker 2: This is slightly really to be doing this, but fuck.
Speaker 1: It, it's chaos week. We're doing it. Do you know
Speaker 1: what else is a fire hose of nonsense? Oh well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's nonsense. I would say it's very important.
Speaker 1: And they's so it's very very important. I believe in.
Speaker 3: I don't end up just kidding. I'm assuming ads and services. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the practice.
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Speaker 2: We are back.
Speaker 1: So it makes the torrent of you know, the MMR stuff,
Speaker 1: which also I do want to say, very briefly, is
Speaker 1: sort of a baffling thing to be talking about in
Speaker 1: a thing where you're.
Speaker 2: Not blaming the vaccines for autism.
Speaker 1: You're blaming tail at all, but then you're still also
Speaker 1: mad at the vaccine. It's very weird. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: thoughts about that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I felt like what Trump was doing with that by
Speaker 3: bringing up the vaccine stuff was I felt he was
Speaker 3: trying to console RFK Junior in a way. I felt
Speaker 3: like he was like, Okay, hey, we're moving away from
Speaker 3: the vaccine stuff to focus on this tile law stuff.
Speaker 3: But I know how much you love the vaccine stuff, AREFK,
Speaker 3: So let's.
Speaker 2: Talk about that.
Speaker 3: So I felt like he was just throwing that out
Speaker 3: there to play k RFK Junior.
Speaker 2: That was my guess. But I don't know how.
Speaker 3: To read sociopaths very well, so.
Speaker 1: This could also just be like what comes into his
Speaker 1: mind when he thinks about medicine.
Speaker 3: Right, so you know, oh yeah, again, weird to me
Speaker 3: that this president was giving medical advice. I mean, he
Speaker 3: was making statements, do not take timely said that multiple
Speaker 3: times he talked about breaking up the hepatitis B vaccine,
Speaker 3: changing the heptides B vaccine, that the times of it,
Speaker 3: which I think we're going to talk about because that
Speaker 3: is very important to me, and things that doctors would
Speaker 3: have a little pause to say so strongly, and even
Speaker 3: the people whose paper he's citing would say, oh, slow
Speaker 3: down a little bit with that. You know, it's very important.
Speaker 3: I think it's super impactful, and you're right, it's slipping
Speaker 3: under the radar. So I would love to talk about
Speaker 3: the hepatitis B stuff. Yeah, let's do this, so I'll
Speaker 3: give a little background for your listeners who don't know me.
Speaker 3: I am a gastroentrologist and hepatologist that's liver, not herpetologists,
Speaker 3: which is study of snakes, which sometimes people think online.
Speaker 3: I am a doctor that looks at the liver, and
Speaker 3: hepatitis B has an important place in my heart. It's
Speaker 3: a disease that can be incredibly devastating. It's incredibly common,
Speaker 3: it has so many complications, It has such long term
Speaker 3: ramifications on someone's life if they have it, so many
Speaker 3: things they have to consider, do follow up, so many
Speaker 3: possible things that can happen with it. And the thing
Speaker 3: about it is, we have a vaccine for it that
Speaker 3: is very safe and super efficacious and works really well,
Speaker 3: and when we use it, it works amazing. In Trump during
Speaker 3: this conference, through that a couple of passing shots as
Speaker 3: he was doing this whole rant about tile mall etc.
Speaker 3: And those passing sts can have a huge impact on
Speaker 3: uptake in this country. I think it really needs to
Speaker 3: be discussed. So I'll stop there. I'll let you see
Speaker 3: what questions you have for me hepatites because I could
Speaker 3: talk about hepatitiz B for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's let's let's go back to like the
Speaker 1: very basic. How would you explain hepatitis B to our
Speaker 1: dear listener who knows many things, but what hepatitis B
Speaker 1: is is not one of them.
Speaker 3: Yes, So, hepatitis just means inflammation of the liver. Anything
Speaker 3: with itis means inflammation. And there are different ways of
Speaker 3: getting hepatitis or inflammation of the liver. They range from alcohol, medications,
Speaker 3: autoimmune problems to viral things. And there are viral things
Speaker 3: that can cause bad hepatitis affect the liver, primarily hepatitis A, B, C.
Speaker 3: You've heard of some of these hepatides, and hepatitis B
Speaker 3: is a very common one in the world. It's about
Speaker 3: two billion people in the world have either had it
Speaker 3: or presently have it. About eight hundred and eighty thousand
Speaker 3: people in the US alone have chronic hepatitis B, but
Speaker 3: if you actually look at studies that include more immigrant populations,
Speaker 3: that number can go up to about two point two million.
Speaker 3: It is something that can when you get it at
Speaker 3: an early age, when you're young and you're a baby
Speaker 3: or an infant, you're young and your immune system is
Speaker 3: not super robust yet. It's very likely, about ninety percent
Speaker 3: or more that if you are exposed to it, you'll
Speaker 3: get chronic infection from it. If you get it when
Speaker 3: you're older, it's a little different. You can have a
Speaker 3: pretty strong reaction to it. You'll get really sick, potentially
Speaker 3: sometimes to the point where the liver fails, but most
Speaker 3: people are when they're older able to clear it. They're
Speaker 3: going to eventually get rid of the virus to point
Speaker 3: where the liver is fine and it manages, but it
Speaker 3: lives in the liver indefinitely. Once you get the hepatitis B,
Speaker 3: there's a very good chance you will have it forever.
Speaker 3: Whether or not it's causing you problems is another thing.
Speaker 3: A lot of people can live with it not have
Speaker 3: any problems, but a lot of people will get it
Speaker 3: and they will be very sick in the beginning. And
Speaker 3: when you get it as an infant, you have a
Speaker 3: very good chance of having it for the rest of
Speaker 3: your life. And that can be a major problem because
Speaker 3: like all viruses that go into the liver like this,
Speaker 3: all these viral hepatides, what can happen is it can
Speaker 3: cause scarring, which you might have heard of when it's
Speaker 3: really bad, called cirrhosis. When that happens, the liver can
Speaker 3: stop working. You can get cancer of the liver. You
Speaker 3: can get big blood vessels in your esophagus called esophageal varses,
Speaker 3: and vomited blood. You can get a lot of bad
Speaker 3: things that happen. Now, what makes heptizes be particularly insidious,
Speaker 3: It makes it a little bit even my opinion, more
Speaker 3: dangerous than a lot of other viral hepatides is that
Speaker 3: you don't always have to go through these phases to
Speaker 3: get to the really bad part. Like when you have
Speaker 3: hepatitis C, for example, you get bad scarring over a
Speaker 3: long time that can cause that cirrhosis, and that cirrhosis
Speaker 3: can lead to cancer. But since hepatitis B is a
Speaker 3: DNA virus, that DNA can get into the DNA of
Speaker 3: your liver cells and it can cause cancer without even
Speaker 3: having to go through those steps of cirrhosis. That's obviously terrible,
Speaker 3: and that can happen to young people, and I've seen
Speaker 3: it and it's awful. So I'm saying all these terrible
Speaker 3: things about hepatitis B because it's one of these things
Speaker 3: that does not need to be I didn't mean to
Speaker 3: say that like that. No, I didn't mean to make
Speaker 3: a play on words there, but it doesn't need to
Speaker 3: happen because we have this great vaccine that can manage this,
Speaker 3: and when we use this vaccine, it works. In fact,
Speaker 3: in the US, they looked at it between nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: it was introduced in this country like for infants in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one, and when they looked from nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: to two thousand and four, they saw a ninety four
Speaker 3: percent decrease in kids and adolescents who have hepatitis being incredible,
Speaker 3: that's amazing, that's really good. Like this is a great
Speaker 3: success story. And part of the reason people like Trump
Speaker 3: don't recognize that this is an issues because it's done well,
Speaker 3: because this vaccine works and it does a good job. Now,
Speaker 3: the other thing to discuss is how it is transmitted,
Speaker 3: because that's a big part of what Trump was saying
Speaker 3: during this press conference. Yeah, and he said it's sexually transmitted,
Speaker 3: which is true. That is one of the ways that
Speaker 3: you get it, but you also get it from the mother.
Speaker 3: The mother when you're having a pregnancy and a delivery,
Speaker 3: it's a messy, bloody process and that is a huge
Speaker 3: risk factor for the infant getting hepatized B from the mother.
Speaker 3: There's also household things that can happen. You know, people
Speaker 3: share razors, that's a risk factor, toothbrushes, small things, bites
Speaker 3: at daycare centers. All these things are small risks. They're
Speaker 3: not as common as sex or the childbirth ways of transmission,
Speaker 3: but there are other modes of transmission for getting hepatitis B,
Speaker 3: not just sex like Trump was saying. So I think
Speaker 3: that's super important to be clear that. I think that
Speaker 3: is one of the major things he said that was wrong.
Speaker 3: He said a lot of things are wrong, but that's
Speaker 3: probably the biggest easiest one to point out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it also was interesting because that
Speaker 1: was one of the things that got followed up on
Speaker 1: by reporters. But the reporter was like, well, you can
Speaker 1: also get it from like reusing needles, which like yeah,
Speaker 1: but like not not mentioning the whole. You can get
Speaker 1: it from being born, a thing that everyone has to do. Statistically,
Speaker 1: this is true. The statistics bear that out.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but percent rate of being born in order to exist.
Speaker 2: That's exactly exact, exactly right.
Speaker 3: You know why, I realized why Trump says this, This
Speaker 3: is the realization I came to he doesn't even think
Speaker 3: about this as a possible mode of transmission. If you've
Speaker 3: ever seen a delivery, I don't know if you have mia,
Speaker 3: but if you've ever seen someone give birth, whether it's natural,
Speaker 3: vaginal or cesarean or whatever, whatever method, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of fluids, blood, mucus. There's a lot of fluids happening
Speaker 3: during this time exchange between mother and baby. And if
Speaker 3: you saw that, I think you'd be like, oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: that makes sense that you would get it that way.
Speaker 3: If you do get it through sex, why couldn't you
Speaker 3: get it through that? You know, if you could get
Speaker 3: it by putting a penis into a vagina, for example,
Speaker 3: why couldn't you get it from being birth from one?
Speaker 3: So you would you would see that, you would It
Speaker 3: would make sense to you inherently and automatically. My guess
Speaker 3: is that Trump has not seen any of his kids delivered.
Speaker 2: That that would not surprise me.
Speaker 3: I mean, if he was in a nearby room, I
Speaker 3: would be impressed in Edwa cast aspersions on our president.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe he was there, you know, cutting
Speaker 3: the umbilical corridor. I don't know, but I get the
Speaker 3: sense he was not, and I feel like that's why
Speaker 3: in his mind he doesn't even register it.
Speaker 2: And then then the other thing that makes that's weird
Speaker 2: about this is he's like, Oh, it's just me.
Speaker 3: I say that they get the shot at the age
Speaker 3: of twelve because it's sexually transmitted, And that makes me
Speaker 3: wonder And I'm surprised no one's brought this up. Why
Speaker 3: does he think that's okay? Then does he think that
Speaker 3: kids are having sex at the age of twelve and
Speaker 3: that's okay?
Speaker 1: Why did why did twelve become the number for him?
Speaker 1: It's so weird and I don't know that's truly one
Speaker 1: of the There is something just deeply evil going on
Speaker 1: in his mind, but I have no idea what it is,
Speaker 1: and I can't follow the path of logic because I'm
Speaker 1: not like a billionaire who was born in like the
Speaker 1: fifties or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know that that guy has seen.
Speaker 1: That guy has gotten brain word from things that like
Speaker 1: don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2: No, he was born in the forties.
Speaker 1: Sorry, my apologies for thinking he was born a full
Speaker 1: decade later than he actually was.
Speaker 2: Good lord, Yeah, I mean I think the results are
Speaker 2: still the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's like, you know, there's just
Speaker 1: like there's prejudices and weird stuff that he picked up
Speaker 1: rattling around there that like who knows where they came from.
Speaker 1: And I think also, you know, one of the other
Speaker 1: ankles about this this sort of really distressing is this
Speaker 1: like what feels like the sort of stigmatizing aspect of
Speaker 1: it of just being like, oh, well, there's something you
Speaker 1: can only get like sexually transmitted, so like why are
Speaker 1: we giving this to kids? And it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like there's just like a bunch of other ways
Speaker 1: that you can get it, and like only talking about
Speaker 1: that one and then having it as an excuse to
Speaker 1: like raise the vaccination age for no reason.
Speaker 2: In that you know, again goes.
Speaker 3: Back to the MMR thing, because you know, when we
Speaker 3: talk about giving these doses the who the CDC, they
Speaker 3: recommend the birth vaccine within twenty four hours are the
Speaker 3: first at least. Then the current schedule is you get
Speaker 3: at birth and follow up set one to two months,
Speaker 3: and then again at six to fifteen months. And part
Speaker 3: of the thing of stretching that out, pushing that out
Speaker 3: further again, same thing as the MMR, which is the
Speaker 3: more likely you are to not do it at all
Speaker 3: and to have decreased uptake. Yeah, so this is the
Speaker 3: real reason why that's a concern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's this sort of decreased uptake is their goal, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's what they want. Like that's why RFKI Junior,
Speaker 1: for example, is making it increasingly difficult to get like
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine and the flu vaccine and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And it's, you know, they're doing this sort of like
Speaker 1: double pronged approach of both establishing it from the top
Speaker 1: down through the medical bureaucracy of taking control of and
Speaker 1: also just like spreading it among their supporters and among
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh that the President wouldn't just
Speaker 1: like lie to me about medical stuff, right, that's unreasonable.
Speaker 3: And I mean if you didn't know, if you didn't
Speaker 3: know that there was another means of transmission, what he
Speaker 3: said is reasonable. You know, why would you give an
Speaker 3: infant a vaccine for something they could only get through sex.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you bet sure that makes sense, but
Speaker 3: it's just wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind.
Speaker 1: Of pointless to ask the question does he know he's
Speaker 1: lying on this one?
Speaker 2: But I don't think he is.
Speaker 3: I honestly don't think he understands. I think he probably
Speaker 3: did hear that there are some other modes of transmission,
Speaker 3: and in his mind it requires some sort of blood
Speaker 3: contact or some sort of mucosal contact in his mind,
Speaker 3: and that's how he interpreted it. And I think he
Speaker 3: just doesn't equate that with childbirth. I think he assumes that,
Speaker 3: like because the child he sees comes out like perfectly
Speaker 3: wrapped and cleaned and you know, looks like a little
Speaker 3: baby in like a blanket when he sees it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I think I think that's the thing. I think
Speaker 3: he believes this. I don't think he's lying on purpose.
Speaker 2: On this one. Yeah, that makes sense, And I think
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting aspect of this is that
Speaker 1: this is like it was kind of just a Trump thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like this is like one of the parts of it
Speaker 1: that like RFK Junior and Martin McCary didn't really talk about.
Speaker 1: It was just Trump kind of just like started talking
Speaker 1: about it for reasons that are deeply unclear.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, Martin McCarry is an interesting guy, and I
Speaker 3: think he did some good things in the past, and
Speaker 3: it's done some not so great things, some bad things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would not be so in this administration.
Speaker 3: This may shock you, Mia, but Trump picked somebody for
Speaker 3: a high level position that might be a little problematic.
Speaker 1: Well, especially this version of the administration too, where it's
Speaker 1: like in Trump won, it was possible for them for
Speaker 1: him to appoint someone random and it kind of be
Speaker 1: like Department of Energy, right right, They put Rick Perry,
Speaker 1: who famously would call to a well forgot that it
Speaker 1: was the thing that he wanted to abolish, but then
Speaker 1: he got in charge of it, and the Department of
Speaker 1: Energy of people like explained to him this is this
Speaker 1: is where the nuke stuff is. And then he was like, sure, whatever,
Speaker 1: fucking go run this. I'll just stay out of everyone's way.
Speaker 1: And that kind of works. Fine that he's not happening
Speaker 1: this administration, you are not getting You're actualting Rick Perry
Speaker 1: going to like a make worksipshop, letting the bureaucrats run
Speaker 1: the actual stuff.
Speaker 2: How wild it is that we long for the days
Speaker 2: of Rick Perry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the days when someone could explain to you, hey,
Speaker 5: this is the department that does the nukes, and they'd
Speaker 5: be and they would change their opinion about it.
Speaker 2: Staggering incredible.
Speaker 3: So let me tell you a little bit more about
Speaker 3: this McCrary character. Yeah, so he is a surgeon. I
Speaker 3: don't think he practice as a surgeon anymore, but he's
Speaker 3: sort of a health policy expertly self fashioned as one.
Speaker 3: And he's the person that was tapped by Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: To leave the FDA.
Speaker 3: You've seen him on Fox News a lot, and he's
Speaker 3: been very outspoken about pandemic policies in the past. He
Speaker 3: was noted as one of the greatest perpetrators of COVID
Speaker 3: misinformation during those times when they people fact checked him
Speaker 3: again and again found that he was wrong. But the
Speaker 3: thing about him that you may or may not know
Speaker 3: how I first learned him and how he popped up
Speaker 3: on my radar a while back, was he is the
Speaker 3: person that's responsible for this claim that medical error is
Speaker 3: the third leading cause of death in the United States.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's cited as second. Yes, that's him, he's the person,
Speaker 3: oh boy, right. Which there's a lot of issues with
Speaker 3: this claim. It is at best controversial. It's based on
Speaker 3: extrapolated data. There was no formal methodology that went into
Speaker 3: him doing this. It totally misrepresents the complexity of healthcare
Speaker 3: and health care outcomes. But It's like the herpees of
Speaker 3: medical misinformation because it always comes back. No matter how
Speaker 3: many times it gets disproven or people talk about it,
Speaker 3: it always comes back, and it's always used as this.
Speaker 3: It's an inherent part of the belief structure of these
Speaker 3: anti vaxxers. It is taken as gospel now. But back
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, basically he wrote this BMJ paper that
Speaker 3: estimated something like two hundred and fifty thousand deaths per
Speaker 3: year in US hospitals were due to medical errors. But again,
Speaker 3: was not a formal study. It presented no new data,
Speaker 3: and it didn't have any sort of real rigorous statistical
Speaker 3: method behind it. It kind of averaged figures from different sources.
Speaker 3: It doesn't actually even work because death certificates don't capture
Speaker 3: medical error, so it's hard to really study that even
Speaker 3: if you wanted to. But anyways, long story short, no
Speaker 3: matter how many times people disprove this or make arguments
Speaker 3: that work against it, it never goes away.
Speaker 2: So that's him. That's McCary. Oh boy, oh boy. And
Speaker 2: he's not running the FDA. Oh yeah, which is great.
Speaker 3: We put the worst people in charge of quite possibly
Speaker 3: the most important part of our country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just the Health and Human Service is
Speaker 1: run by RFK Junior is just when he first took office,
Speaker 1: my line on it was millions we'll die. And we
Speaker 1: are so incredibly on track for millions to die from
Speaker 1: just this guy and his people being put in charge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I should say one more thing about
Speaker 3: maccarury before we move on from him that claim. You know,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that medical error isn't an issue. I
Speaker 3: think it is a very serious issue. Even if there's
Speaker 3: one or two cases in the whole country, it's a
Speaker 3: serious issue and that should be addressed. But what he's
Speaker 3: doing is I think harmful. I don't think that is
Speaker 3: helping in any way. I think it's only made things
Speaker 3: worse by contributing to where we're at today with our
Speaker 3: anti vaxstance, our whole anti intellectual approach to medicine. And
Speaker 3: that's a thing that they do. This is the thing
Speaker 3: they take a little kernel of truth. If there is
Speaker 3: any lack of knowledge, that there's any slight vacuum in understanding,
Speaker 3: it gets filled with these bad actors, these people, and
Speaker 3: he is, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: One of them, but still somehow not the worst, you know,
Speaker 1: not The worst is one of those bars in the
Speaker 1: Trump administration where it's not even the bar solo, it's
Speaker 1: on the ground. The bar is so low that like
Speaker 1: you have to go digging to get under the bar.
Speaker 1: And it's not like a little bit of digging, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of digging because the bar truly is below hell.
Speaker 1: There's like a second hell down there to find this
Speaker 1: bar for where these people are.
Speaker 3: Oh god, it's second hell. Every time I look into
Speaker 3: any of these people. Just yeah, no, no, you're never
Speaker 3: gonna be surprised.
Speaker 2: Hes get hit a marine with an axe?
Speaker 1: Like this guy's just the Secretary of Defense now he's
Speaker 1: like he's the guy going and yelling at the general.
Speaker 2: This is the guy who.
Speaker 1: Was on Fox News and he's just throwing an axe
Speaker 1: and he threw it over the targy and it hit
Speaker 1: a bunch of marines, Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: Well, whom amongst us hasn't done that? Maybe he is
Speaker 3: the real Antifa.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's trutch.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: I have never hit a marine with an axe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, well there you go. Huh tragic.
Speaker 1: Talma, Do you have anything else that you want to
Speaker 1: tell our dear listeners.
Speaker 3: About this whole debacle. Get your vaccines, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: get your vaccines. Get vaccinated. Now's the time to start
Speaker 3: doing it for flu and COVID. If you can, talk
Speaker 3: to your doctor. If you're having difficulty getting your vaccine
Speaker 3: from your local places, your regular places, talk to your
Speaker 3: doctor about getting it. You should still be able to
Speaker 3: in most cases. So do it while you can. And
Speaker 3: if you want to hear more about this stuff, make
Speaker 3: sure to check out my podcast, The House of Pod.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the stuff a lot more.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about other stuff too, but you'll hear more
Speaker 3: on this along the way as well. And you know,
Speaker 3: I like that people are questioning some of these things.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's unreasonable. Some of these topics are
Speaker 3: not unreasonable to have. You know, we as I discussed
Speaker 3: earlier on another podcast on this channel, channels that we
Speaker 3: say on this network, I should say the title and
Speaker 3: all autism question is not like a totally wacky, crazy one.
Speaker 3: It was a decent question to ask. There was some correlation,
Speaker 3: but the evidence when you look at it, shows that
Speaker 3: it is very likely not a causal relationship when you
Speaker 3: look at the evidence, And I think it's okay to
Speaker 3: have some of these conversations, and sometimes it takes a
Speaker 3: little nuance when you look at them. But I encourage
Speaker 3: people to continue to do so, and to keep reading,
Speaker 3: and to find trusted sources and look at those and
Speaker 3: learn about them yourself. I think if nothing else good
Speaker 3: comes from all this, it's that people are starting to
Speaker 3: have an understanding of antibodies and the science behind vaccines.
Speaker 3: And I think that's not a bad thing. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: things are terrible. Things are terrible. There's so many bad
Speaker 3: things in the world. But I will say this, I
Speaker 3: see bright spots constantly. I see more and more people
Speaker 3: who care about science. I see more and more people
Speaker 3: than I ever have before care about important topics across
Speaker 3: the world. They're not scientific, like gaza, for example. I've
Speaker 3: seen more people care about things that I've ever seen
Speaker 3: before in my long life, and I feel like that's
Speaker 3: a good thing. There are bright spots out there and
Speaker 3: that's what I cling to. And I see more people
Speaker 3: interested in this. People want to talk to me about
Speaker 3: hepatitis B and what it is and how to avoid it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's great. So there's some good coming
Speaker 3: from this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, and this is I think the
Speaker 1: fundamental thing that both the media apparatus and the regime
Speaker 1: are trying to conceal, which is that there are more
Speaker 1: of us in the ear of them.
Speaker 3: M m.
Speaker 1: There always have been, and especially right now, there are
Speaker 1: way more of us. And you know, their ability to
Speaker 1: shape the world is disastrous, but their ability to shape
Speaker 1: the world as fundamentally a minoritarian force in this country
Speaker 1: right with like thirty to forty percent of the population
Speaker 1: is always going to be limited and always is always
Speaker 1: going to be in danger of simply being reversed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we can be that reversal, one person.
Speaker 4: At a time. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Well, kymye, thank you for being on the show, and
Speaker 2: go listen to House of Pod. It's great, it's all
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're okay.
Speaker 2: You could do worse.
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