1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Also media welcome. It could happen here a podcast beset 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: by horrors of such magnitude that sometimes you have to 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: go back to a thing that you just talked about 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: because there were more horrors in it that you didn't 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: have time to cover the first time you went to 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: the horror. Sorry, the first two times you went through 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: the horrors and with me to talk about the horrors. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Is doctor kave Hoda, who is a doctor? I guess, 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: as you probably could have guessed from the title. You know, 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: I scripted this out very poorly. Uh, this is great, 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: You're doing great, Keep going, I say, scripted this out. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: Literally. 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: The only part of this introduction that was in my 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: notes was cave Hoda, doctor and host of House of 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: Pod and friend of the show, which was not in 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: my notes either. 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: But that's right, friend. The energy is chaotic today. Friend, 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: most importantly, yeah, it has to be. That is the 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 3: normal response to what is happening in this world. If 20 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: we don't embrace a little chaos, and we will lose 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: our minds. 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: So I am. I am loving how this is going 23 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: so far. 24 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: I am so glad because there is so much chaos. 25 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: One of the chaos things that we have been tracking, 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: and that you spend a hideous amount of time tracking 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: too much on your share too much. Yes, it's not good, 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: it's very bad. Please stop doing this stuff so we 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: can all go back to doing normal things in our lives. 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: I would love to just do more fart jokes and 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: episodes on poop, but people in power keep saying and 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: doing terrible things. You have crazy, terrible things that make 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: me feel like I'm losing my mind. So I have 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: to keep doing this from ultards one because someone's got 35 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: to talk about it. Two, it's sort of therapy for me, 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: Like if I just internalize this, I'm gonna I'm gonna 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: be a miserable person. So thanks, thanks for having me on. 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to talk to you about well. 39 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: Okay, see this Literally every single time I do an episode, 40 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm really excited to talk to you. And also, 41 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I wish we did not to talk about this. 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: That's how everyone feels. That's that's when they see me. Yeah, 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: it's terrible, God, really, truly, we got to stop meeting 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: like this. 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: One day. We'll do a find episode one day and. 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: I swear to God. 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: Okay, but the thing that I've been talking about, that 48 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: we've both been covering is basically the annihilation of the 49 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: entire US medical establishment at the federal level is being 50 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: systematically dismantled. And one of the ways that's being sematically 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: dismantled is that a bunch of people have been put 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: in charge of it who are I mean, two years ago, 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: were fringe anti vaccine cranks and are now running like 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: the most sophisticated like public health institutions that have ever existed. 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: As a producer extraordinaire, so lichtrom In once said, you 57 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: can't put a hater in charge of the thing that 58 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: they hate the most, and that is what has happened, 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: completely and fully, almost at every step of this government, 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: they find the person that hates it the most and 61 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: they put that person in. 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the big sort of I 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: don't know if turning points is the right word, but 65 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: one of the major events we've been covering from this 66 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: was the announcement by Rfkgnior and Trump that they had 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: found what causes autism and also ADHD too, which I 68 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: got very little coverage. I think I said this last 69 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: time I talked about this. It was very baffling. But 70 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: there's just there was so much in that whole thing 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of the stuff kind of 72 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: fell through the cracks inside of like, well, there was 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: a lot, there was a lot to digest the so much. 74 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: There's so much, and so I guess I want to 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about mostly the hepatitis B thing, 76 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: but also just sort of the broader anti VAXX stuff 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: that was in this before we get into I don't know, 78 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: like the weirder, more boutique anti vax stuff, which is 79 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: like the anti hepatitis B vagcazine stuff, a thing that 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: I didn't realize people were against children getting until like now, 81 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: and like I follow these things decently closely. 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start a little bit with. 83 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: Like, let's let's ease the audience into this by going 84 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: back to the classics, the greatest hits. We didn't really 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: have one hit, the one hit of the anti vaccine movement, 86 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: which was Trump's stuff about separating the MMR vaccine. 87 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 88 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, recently during that press conference where he really 89 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 3: threw tail and all under the bus. He also really 90 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: it was weird because there's no new evidence. I want 91 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: to make that clear. There was no new evidence that 92 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: they presented about vaccine. But Trump actually really harped on 93 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: vaccines and his thoughts, his medical opinion, and his advice 94 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: on how. 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: To manage vaccines. It's truly bizarre. 96 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: Never seen a president say or do those sorts of things. 97 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: But one of the things he mentioned was the MMR vaccine, 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: the measles, mumps, rubella, and he said that it should 99 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: be split into three separate shots, again medically unfounded. It really, 100 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: as you have alluded to, echoes these long debunked claims, 101 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: these Wakefield like claims, starting from back in nineteen ninety eight. Again, 102 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: Wakefield was the disgraced author of that vaccine study that 103 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: tied it to autism, lost his medical license for that. 104 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: But that has persisted and carried on, and the seeds 105 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 3: of that are still growing terrible, terrible plants in trees today, 106 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: and one of them was this fruit of Trump saying 107 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: we should break up the MMR vaccine. So to say 108 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: it up front, one, there's no reason to do that. 109 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: There's no reason that shows improved safety. There's no credible 110 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: evidence to suggest that at least, and more importantly, the 111 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: more you split these things up, the more likely you're 112 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: gonna end up missing doses. That is like a known fact. 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: If you delay vaccines, if you split them up more 114 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: than they need to be, there is a much greater 115 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: chance you will miss that. In case this is not clear, 116 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: measles is bad. It is one of the most contagious 117 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: viruses out there, and lower vaccination rates quickly lead to outbreaks, 118 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: as we're already starting to see, and when there's already 119 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: some hesitancy in the community, pushing it like this is 120 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: a terrible thing. So even though that was a throwaway 121 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: statement from the President of the United States, it could 122 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: have serious repercussions. 123 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: And it's very concerning. 124 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 1: And I've also I have committed myself every single time 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: this comes up that the Wakefield study, which is where 126 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: this whole separate data war thing like came up a 127 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: it's not even a conclusion that even even if you 128 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: take his completely fake premise that he made up, yeah, 129 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't actually follow that you should split the vaccines up, right, 130 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: It's baffling. But the second thing is the reason he 131 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: wanted to split the vaccines up was that he was 132 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: trying to sell his own vaccines. Correct, He was just 133 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: trying to sell his own vaccin I it makes me 134 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: insane every single time this has talked about, because this 135 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: whole thing is sabetically. 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: It's literally an industrial complex. It's like the end vaccine 137 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: industrial complex. They're all trying to sell you something. That's 138 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: the whole thing. 139 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: I was watching Trump give this talk this press conference, 140 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: and I said, I think I said this on another 141 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: show here on this channel. I started to disassociate. I'm like, yeah, 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: this can't be real life. I am I dreaming is this? 143 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: It felt like I was having an out of body experience. 144 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: It did not feel real to me. 145 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: To be fully transparent, I did not make it through 146 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: that press conference. 147 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: Watching it on video. 148 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: About like four minutes in, I was like, fuck this, 149 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to read the transcript. So I'm just working 150 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: off the transcript because I was like, I can't. 151 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: It was tough. I can't do this. 152 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: So on my podcast, The House of Pod you should 153 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: all listen to it, I played a clip from Trump 154 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: talking about tail and all and another clip of him 155 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: talking about heptis B and when you listen to it. 156 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: When I listened back to it as I was editing it, 157 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: it sounded like I edited his clips to make him 158 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: sound crazy. 159 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: I did not. 160 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: I just took straight from what he says, and it 161 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: just the way he was talking, it's hard to listen to. 162 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to read too, but the way 163 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 3: he talks, it's so disjointed and he just goes from 164 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: one thought to the next. Hey, does this weave thing 165 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: that he thinks is so clever, But it's just lost. 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: The threads are never brought back together. It's just an unraveled, 167 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: terrible rug of lies. And that is that is why 168 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: it's so hard to listen to him. I totally understand. 169 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and this has also been you know, one 170 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: of the things that most of the media has done 171 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: is that you know, in order to be able to 172 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: like play a listenable clip on air, right, and also 173 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: in sort of innservative power, they edit the clips to 174 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: make him sound like a normal human being. Right, So 175 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: the version of it that people are seeing is not 176 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: the version where he's just sort of completely ranting incoherently 177 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: and like, you know, you just see these clips. But 178 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: then also because they're because they're they're editing it down 179 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: progressively more and more like. 180 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: Just more. 181 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Stuff more, just like information content gets lost every time, 182 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: which is the problem because there's just like so much. 183 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: The fire hose in this of nonsense. Yeah, title my 184 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,479 Speaker 2: first albums incredible, incredible. 185 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, so you know what, we're going to 186 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: a second fire hose of nonsense. 187 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: This is slightly really to be doing this, but fuck. 188 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: It, it's chaos week. We're doing it. Do you know 189 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: what else is a fire hose of nonsense? Oh well, 190 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's nonsense. I would say it's very important. 191 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: And they's so it's very very important. I believe in. 192 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: I don't end up just kidding. I'm assuming ads and services. Yeah, 193 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: this is the practice. 194 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: Services that support this podcast. 195 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: We are back. 196 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: So it makes the torrent of you know, the MMR stuff, 197 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: which also I do want to say, very briefly, is 198 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: sort of a baffling thing to be talking about in 199 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: a thing where you're. 200 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: Not blaming the vaccines for autism. 201 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: You're blaming tail at all, but then you're still also 202 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: mad at the vaccine. It's very weird. Yeah, I have 203 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: thoughts about that. 204 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: You know. 205 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: I felt like what Trump was doing with that by 206 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: bringing up the vaccine stuff was I felt he was 207 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: trying to console RFK Junior in a way. I felt 208 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: like he was like, Okay, hey, we're moving away from 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: the vaccine stuff to focus on this tile law stuff. 210 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: But I know how much you love the vaccine stuff, AREFK, 211 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: So let's. 212 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: Talk about that. 213 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: So I felt like he was just throwing that out 214 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: there to play k RFK Junior. 215 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: That was my guess. But I don't know how. 216 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 3: To read sociopaths very well, so. 217 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: This could also just be like what comes into his 218 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: mind when he thinks about medicine. 219 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: Right, so you know, oh yeah, again, weird to me 220 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: that this president was giving medical advice. I mean, he 221 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: was making statements, do not take timely said that multiple 222 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 3: times he talked about breaking up the hepatitis B vaccine, 223 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 3: changing the heptides B vaccine, that the times of it, 224 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 3: which I think we're going to talk about because that 225 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: is very important to me, and things that doctors would 226 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: have a little pause to say so strongly, and even 227 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: the people whose paper he's citing would say, oh, slow 228 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: down a little bit with that. You know, it's very important. 229 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: I think it's super impactful, and you're right, it's slipping 230 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: under the radar. So I would love to talk about 231 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: the hepatitis B stuff. Yeah, let's do this, so I'll 232 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: give a little background for your listeners who don't know me. 233 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: I am a gastroentrologist and hepatologist that's liver, not herpetologists, 234 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: which is study of snakes, which sometimes people think online. 235 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 3: I am a doctor that looks at the liver, and 236 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: hepatitis B has an important place in my heart. It's 237 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: a disease that can be incredibly devastating. It's incredibly common, 238 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: it has so many complications, It has such long term 239 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: ramifications on someone's life if they have it, so many 240 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: things they have to consider, do follow up, so many 241 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: possible things that can happen with it. And the thing 242 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 3: about it is, we have a vaccine for it that 243 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: is very safe and super efficacious and works really well, 244 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: and when we use it, it works amazing. In Trump during 245 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: this conference, through that a couple of passing shots as 246 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: he was doing this whole rant about tile mall etc. 247 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: And those passing sts can have a huge impact on 248 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: uptake in this country. I think it really needs to 249 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: be discussed. So I'll stop there. I'll let you see 250 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 3: what questions you have for me hepatites because I could 251 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: talk about hepatitiz B for a long time. 252 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's let's let's go back to like the 253 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: very basic. How would you explain hepatitis B to our 254 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: dear listener who knows many things, but what hepatitis B 255 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: is is not one of them. 256 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: Yes, So, hepatitis just means inflammation of the liver. Anything 257 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 3: with itis means inflammation. And there are different ways of 258 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: getting hepatitis or inflammation of the liver. They range from alcohol, medications, 259 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: autoimmune problems to viral things. And there are viral things 260 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: that can cause bad hepatitis affect the liver, primarily hepatitis A, B, C. 261 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: You've heard of some of these hepatides, and hepatitis B 262 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: is a very common one in the world. It's about 263 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: two billion people in the world have either had it 264 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 3: or presently have it. About eight hundred and eighty thousand 265 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 3: people in the US alone have chronic hepatitis B, but 266 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: if you actually look at studies that include more immigrant populations, 267 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 3: that number can go up to about two point two million. 268 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 3: It is something that can when you get it at 269 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: an early age, when you're young and you're a baby 270 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: or an infant, you're young and your immune system is 271 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: not super robust yet. It's very likely, about ninety percent 272 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: or more that if you are exposed to it, you'll 273 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: get chronic infection from it. If you get it when 274 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: you're older, it's a little different. You can have a 275 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,119 Speaker 3: pretty strong reaction to it. You'll get really sick, potentially 276 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: sometimes to the point where the liver fails, but most 277 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: people are when they're older able to clear it. They're 278 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: going to eventually get rid of the virus to point 279 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 3: where the liver is fine and it manages, but it 280 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: lives in the liver indefinitely. Once you get the hepatitis B, 281 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 3: there's a very good chance you will have it forever. 282 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: Whether or not it's causing you problems is another thing. 283 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: A lot of people can live with it not have 284 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: any problems, but a lot of people will get it 285 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: and they will be very sick in the beginning. And 286 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: when you get it as an infant, you have a 287 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: very good chance of having it for the rest of 288 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: your life. And that can be a major problem because 289 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: like all viruses that go into the liver like this, 290 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: all these viral hepatides, what can happen is it can 291 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: cause scarring, which you might have heard of when it's 292 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: really bad, called cirrhosis. When that happens, the liver can 293 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: stop working. You can get cancer of the liver. You 294 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: can get big blood vessels in your esophagus called esophageal varses, 295 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: and vomited blood. You can get a lot of bad 296 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: things that happen. Now, what makes heptizes be particularly insidious, 297 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: It makes it a little bit even my opinion, more 298 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: dangerous than a lot of other viral hepatides is that 299 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: you don't always have to go through these phases to 300 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: get to the really bad part. Like when you have 301 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: hepatitis C, for example, you get bad scarring over a 302 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,119 Speaker 3: long time that can cause that cirrhosis, and that cirrhosis 303 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: can lead to cancer. But since hepatitis B is a 304 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: DNA virus, that DNA can get into the DNA of 305 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: your liver cells and it can cause cancer without even 306 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: having to go through those steps of cirrhosis. That's obviously terrible, 307 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: and that can happen to young people, and I've seen 308 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: it and it's awful. So I'm saying all these terrible 309 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: things about hepatitis B because it's one of these things 310 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: that does not need to be I didn't mean to 311 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: say that like that. No, I didn't mean to make 312 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: a play on words there, but it doesn't need to 313 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: happen because we have this great vaccine that can manage this, 314 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: and when we use this vaccine, it works. In fact, 315 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: in the US, they looked at it between nineteen ninety 316 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: it was introduced in this country like for infants in 317 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one, and when they looked from nineteen ninety 318 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: to two thousand and four, they saw a ninety four 319 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 3: percent decrease in kids and adolescents who have hepatitis being incredible, 320 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: that's amazing, that's really good. Like this is a great 321 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: success story. And part of the reason people like Trump 322 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: don't recognize that this is an issues because it's done well, 323 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: because this vaccine works and it does a good job. Now, 324 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: the other thing to discuss is how it is transmitted, 325 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: because that's a big part of what Trump was saying 326 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: during this press conference. Yeah, and he said it's sexually transmitted, 327 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: which is true. That is one of the ways that 328 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: you get it, but you also get it from the mother. 329 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: The mother when you're having a pregnancy and a delivery, 330 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 3: it's a messy, bloody process and that is a huge 331 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: risk factor for the infant getting hepatized B from the mother. 332 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: There's also household things that can happen. You know, people 333 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: share razors, that's a risk factor, toothbrushes, small things, bites 334 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: at daycare centers. All these things are small risks. They're 335 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: not as common as sex or the childbirth ways of transmission, 336 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: but there are other modes of transmission for getting hepatitis B, 337 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: not just sex like Trump was saying. So I think 338 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: that's super important to be clear that. I think that 339 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 3: is one of the major things he said that was wrong. 340 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: He said a lot of things are wrong, but that's 341 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: probably the biggest easiest one to point out. 342 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it also was interesting because that 343 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: was one of the things that got followed up on 344 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: by reporters. But the reporter was like, well, you can 345 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: also get it from like reusing needles, which like yeah, 346 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: but like not not mentioning the whole. You can get 347 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: it from being born, a thing that everyone has to do. Statistically, 348 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: this is true. The statistics bear that out. 349 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: That is true. 350 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but percent rate of being born in order to exist. 351 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: That's exactly exact, exactly right. 352 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: You know why, I realized why Trump says this, This 353 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: is the realization I came to he doesn't even think 354 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 3: about this as a possible mode of transmission. If you've 355 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: ever seen a delivery, I don't know if you have mia, 356 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 3: but if you've ever seen someone give birth, whether it's natural, 357 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: vaginal or cesarean or whatever, whatever method, there's a lot 358 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: of fluids, blood, mucus. There's a lot of fluids happening 359 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: during this time exchange between mother and baby. And if 360 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: you saw that, I think you'd be like, oh, well, yeah, 361 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: that makes sense that you would get it that way. 362 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 3: If you do get it through sex, why couldn't you 363 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: get it through that? You know, if you could get 364 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: it by putting a penis into a vagina, for example, 365 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: why couldn't you get it from being birth from one? 366 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: So you would you would see that, you would It 367 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 3: would make sense to you inherently and automatically. My guess 368 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: is that Trump has not seen any of his kids delivered. 369 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: That that would not surprise me. 370 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: I mean, if he was in a nearby room, I 371 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: would be impressed in Edwa cast aspersions on our president. 372 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe he was there, you know, cutting 373 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: the umbilical corridor. I don't know, but I get the 374 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: sense he was not, and I feel like that's why 375 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: in his mind he doesn't even register it. 376 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: And then then the other thing that makes that's weird 377 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: about this is he's like, Oh, it's just me. 378 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: I say that they get the shot at the age 379 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 3: of twelve because it's sexually transmitted, And that makes me 380 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: wonder And I'm surprised no one's brought this up. Why 381 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: does he think that's okay? Then does he think that 382 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: kids are having sex at the age of twelve and 383 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: that's okay? 384 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: Why did why did twelve become the number for him? 385 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: It's so weird and I don't know that's truly one 386 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: of the There is something just deeply evil going on 387 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: in his mind, but I have no idea what it is, 388 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: and I can't follow the path of logic because I'm 389 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: not like a billionaire who was born in like the 390 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: fifties or whatever. 391 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: I don't know that that guy has seen. 392 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: That guy has gotten brain word from things that like 393 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. 394 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: No, he was born in the forties. 395 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: Sorry, my apologies for thinking he was born a full 396 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: decade later than he actually was. 397 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: Good lord, Yeah, I mean I think the results are 398 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: still the same. 399 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's like, you know, there's just 400 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: like there's prejudices and weird stuff that he picked up 401 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: rattling around there that like who knows where they came from. 402 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: And I think also, you know, one of the other 403 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: ankles about this this sort of really distressing is this 404 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: like what feels like the sort of stigmatizing aspect of 405 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: it of just being like, oh, well, there's something you 406 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: can only get like sexually transmitted, so like why are 407 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: we giving this to kids? And it's like, well, yeah, 408 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: but like there's just like a bunch of other ways 409 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: that you can get it, and like only talking about 410 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: that one and then having it as an excuse to 411 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: like raise the vaccination age for no reason. 412 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: In that you know, again goes. 413 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: Back to the MMR thing, because you know, when we 414 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: talk about giving these doses the who the CDC, they 415 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 3: recommend the birth vaccine within twenty four hours are the 416 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: first at least. Then the current schedule is you get 417 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: at birth and follow up set one to two months, 418 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: and then again at six to fifteen months. And part 419 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: of the thing of stretching that out, pushing that out 420 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 3: further again, same thing as the MMR, which is the 421 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: more likely you are to not do it at all 422 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: and to have decreased uptake. Yeah, so this is the 423 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: real reason why that's a concern. 424 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's this sort of decreased uptake is their goal, right, 425 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: Like that's what they want. Like that's why RFKI Junior, 426 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: for example, is making it increasingly difficult to get like 427 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine and the flu vaccine and stuff like that. 428 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: And it's, you know, they're doing this sort of like 429 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: double pronged approach of both establishing it from the top 430 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: down through the medical bureaucracy of taking control of and 431 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: also just like spreading it among their supporters and among 432 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: people who are like, oh that the President wouldn't just 433 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: like lie to me about medical stuff, right, that's unreasonable. 434 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: And I mean if you didn't know, if you didn't 435 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: know that there was another means of transmission, what he 436 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: said is reasonable. You know, why would you give an 437 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 3: infant a vaccine for something they could only get through sex. 438 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you bet sure that makes sense, but 439 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: it's just wrong. 440 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind. 441 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: Of pointless to ask the question does he know he's 442 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: lying on this one? 443 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 2: But I don't think he is. 444 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: I honestly don't think he understands. I think he probably 445 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: did hear that there are some other modes of transmission, 446 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: and in his mind it requires some sort of blood 447 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: contact or some sort of mucosal contact in his mind, 448 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 3: and that's how he interpreted it. And I think he 449 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: just doesn't equate that with childbirth. I think he assumes that, 450 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: like because the child he sees comes out like perfectly 451 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: wrapped and cleaned and you know, looks like a little 452 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: baby in like a blanket when he sees it. Yeah, 453 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: So I think I think that's the thing. I think 454 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 3: he believes this. I don't think he's lying on purpose. 455 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 2: On this one. Yeah, that makes sense, And I think 456 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 457 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting aspect of this is that 458 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: this is like it was kind of just a Trump thing, right, 459 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: Like this is like one of the parts of it 460 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: that like RFK Junior and Martin McCary didn't really talk about. 461 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: It was just Trump kind of just like started talking 462 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: about it for reasons that are deeply unclear. 463 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 464 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: I mean, Martin McCarry is an interesting guy, and I 465 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: think he did some good things in the past, and 466 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: it's done some not so great things, some bad things. 467 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, would not be so in this administration. 468 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: This may shock you, Mia, but Trump picked somebody for 469 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: a high level position that might be a little problematic. 470 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: Well, especially this version of the administration too, where it's 471 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: like in Trump won, it was possible for them for 472 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: him to appoint someone random and it kind of be 473 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: like Department of Energy, right right, They put Rick Perry, 474 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: who famously would call to a well forgot that it 475 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: was the thing that he wanted to abolish, but then 476 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: he got in charge of it, and the Department of 477 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: Energy of people like explained to him this is this 478 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: is where the nuke stuff is. And then he was like, sure, whatever, 479 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: fucking go run this. I'll just stay out of everyone's way. 480 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: And that kind of works. Fine that he's not happening 481 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: this administration, you are not getting You're actualting Rick Perry 482 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: going to like a make worksipshop, letting the bureaucrats run 483 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: the actual stuff. 484 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: How wild it is that we long for the days 485 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: of Rick Perry. 486 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, the days when someone could explain to you, hey, 487 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 5: this is the department that does the nukes, and they'd 488 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 5: be and they would change their opinion about it. 489 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: Staggering incredible. 490 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: So let me tell you a little bit more about 491 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: this McCrary character. Yeah, so he is a surgeon. I 492 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: don't think he practice as a surgeon anymore, but he's 493 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: sort of a health policy expertly self fashioned as one. 494 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 3: And he's the person that was tapped by Donald Trump. 495 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: To leave the FDA. 496 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: You've seen him on Fox News a lot, and he's 497 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: been very outspoken about pandemic policies in the past. He 498 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: was noted as one of the greatest perpetrators of COVID 499 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 3: misinformation during those times when they people fact checked him 500 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: again and again found that he was wrong. But the 501 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: thing about him that you may or may not know 502 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: how I first learned him and how he popped up 503 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: on my radar a while back, was he is the 504 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 3: person that's responsible for this claim that medical error is 505 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: the third leading cause of death in the United States. 506 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: Sometimes that's cited as second. Yes, that's him, he's the person, 507 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 3: oh boy, right. Which there's a lot of issues with 508 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 3: this claim. It is at best controversial. It's based on 509 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: extrapolated data. There was no formal methodology that went into 510 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 3: him doing this. It totally misrepresents the complexity of healthcare 511 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: and health care outcomes. But It's like the herpees of 512 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: medical misinformation because it always comes back. No matter how 513 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 3: many times it gets disproven or people talk about it, 514 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: it always comes back, and it's always used as this. 515 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: It's an inherent part of the belief structure of these 516 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 3: anti vaxxers. It is taken as gospel now. But back 517 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, basically he wrote this BMJ paper that 518 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: estimated something like two hundred and fifty thousand deaths per 519 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 3: year in US hospitals were due to medical errors. But again, 520 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: was not a formal study. It presented no new data, 521 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: and it didn't have any sort of real rigorous statistical 522 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 3: method behind it. It kind of averaged figures from different sources. 523 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't actually even work because death certificates don't capture 524 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: medical error, so it's hard to really study that even 525 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 3: if you wanted to. But anyways, long story short, no 526 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: matter how many times people disprove this or make arguments 527 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: that work against it, it never goes away. 528 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: So that's him. That's McCary. Oh boy, oh boy. And 529 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: he's not running the FDA. Oh yeah, which is great. 530 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: We put the worst people in charge of quite possibly 531 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: the most important part of our country. 532 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just the Health and Human Service is 533 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: run by RFK Junior is just when he first took office, 534 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: my line on it was millions we'll die. And we 535 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: are so incredibly on track for millions to die from 536 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: just this guy and his people being put in charge. 537 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I should say one more thing about 538 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: maccarury before we move on from him that claim. You know, 539 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that medical error isn't an issue. I 540 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: think it is a very serious issue. Even if there's 541 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: one or two cases in the whole country, it's a 542 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: serious issue and that should be addressed. But what he's 543 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: doing is I think harmful. I don't think that is 544 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: helping in any way. I think it's only made things 545 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: worse by contributing to where we're at today with our 546 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 3: anti vaxstance, our whole anti intellectual approach to medicine. And 547 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: that's a thing that they do. This is the thing 548 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: they take a little kernel of truth. If there is 549 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: any lack of knowledge, that there's any slight vacuum in understanding, 550 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: it gets filled with these bad actors, these people, and 551 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: he is, in my opinion. 552 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: One of them, but still somehow not the worst, you know, 553 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: not The worst is one of those bars in the 554 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: Trump administration where it's not even the bar solo, it's 555 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: on the ground. The bar is so low that like 556 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: you have to go digging to get under the bar. 557 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: And it's not like a little bit of digging, it's 558 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: a lot of digging because the bar truly is below hell. 559 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: There's like a second hell down there to find this 560 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: bar for where these people are. 561 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 3: Oh god, it's second hell. Every time I look into 562 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: any of these people. Just yeah, no, no, you're never 563 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: gonna be surprised. 564 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: Hes get hit a marine with an axe? 565 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: Like this guy's just the Secretary of Defense now he's 566 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: like he's the guy going and yelling at the general. 567 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: This is the guy who. 568 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Was on Fox News and he's just throwing an axe 569 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: and he threw it over the targy and it hit 570 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of marines, Like what are we doing here? 571 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: Well, whom amongst us hasn't done that? Maybe he is 572 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: the real Antifa. 573 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah that's trutch. 574 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: You. 575 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: I have never hit a marine with an axe. Yeah, 576 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: so yeah, well there you go. Huh tragic. 577 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: Talma, Do you have anything else that you want to 578 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: tell our dear listeners. 579 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 3: About this whole debacle. Get your vaccines, Yeah, you know, 580 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: get your vaccines. Get vaccinated. Now's the time to start 581 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: doing it for flu and COVID. If you can, talk 582 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: to your doctor. If you're having difficulty getting your vaccine 583 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: from your local places, your regular places, talk to your 584 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: doctor about getting it. You should still be able to 585 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: in most cases. So do it while you can. And 586 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: if you want to hear more about this stuff, make 587 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 3: sure to check out my podcast, The House of Pod. 588 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the stuff a lot more. 589 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: We'll talk about other stuff too, but you'll hear more 590 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: on this along the way as well. And you know, 591 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: I like that people are questioning some of these things. 592 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 3: I don't think it's unreasonable. Some of these topics are 593 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: not unreasonable to have. You know, we as I discussed 594 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: earlier on another podcast on this channel, channels that we 595 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: say on this network, I should say the title and 596 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: all autism question is not like a totally wacky, crazy one. 597 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: It was a decent question to ask. There was some correlation, 598 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: but the evidence when you look at it, shows that 599 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: it is very likely not a causal relationship when you 600 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 3: look at the evidence, And I think it's okay to 601 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 3: have some of these conversations, and sometimes it takes a 602 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: little nuance when you look at them. But I encourage 603 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: people to continue to do so, and to keep reading, 604 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 3: and to find trusted sources and look at those and 605 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: learn about them yourself. I think if nothing else good 606 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: comes from all this, it's that people are starting to 607 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 3: have an understanding of antibodies and the science behind vaccines. 608 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: And I think that's not a bad thing. So, I mean, 609 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: things are terrible. Things are terrible. There's so many bad 610 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: things in the world. But I will say this, I 611 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: see bright spots constantly. I see more and more people 612 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 3: who care about science. I see more and more people 613 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 3: than I ever have before care about important topics across 614 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: the world. They're not scientific, like gaza, for example. I've 615 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: seen more people care about things that I've ever seen 616 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 3: before in my long life, and I feel like that's 617 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: a good thing. There are bright spots out there and 618 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: that's what I cling to. And I see more people 619 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: interested in this. People want to talk to me about 620 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: hepatitis B and what it is and how to avoid it. 621 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: And I think that's great. So there's some good coming 622 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 3: from this. 623 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, and this is I think the 624 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: fundamental thing that both the media apparatus and the regime 625 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: are trying to conceal, which is that there are more 626 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: of us in the ear of them. 627 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: M m. 628 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: There always have been, and especially right now, there are 629 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: way more of us. And you know, their ability to 630 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: shape the world is disastrous, but their ability to shape 631 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: the world as fundamentally a minoritarian force in this country 632 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: right with like thirty to forty percent of the population 633 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: is always going to be limited and always is always 634 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: going to be in danger of simply being reversed. Yeah, 635 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: and we can be that reversal, one person. 636 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 4: At a time. Yeah, I love that. 637 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 2: Well, kymye, thank you for being on the show, and 638 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: go listen to House of Pod. 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