1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: advice to many occasions. In occasion didn't notice, I'm not broke. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: You know. He'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: decision makers. It's what he likes to do. It's what 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: he likes to share. Now it's time to hear from 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: my man, Rashan McDonald moneymaking conversations. Here we come. Welcome 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: to money making Conversation Now. I am your host, Rashwan McDonald. 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Like I tell everybody every week, I want you to 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: stop reading other people's success stories and really start writing 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: your own. And I always tell people you have a passion, 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: leave with your gifts and don't let your age, friends, family, 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: or coworkers stop you from planning and actually living your dreams. 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: On my show, I interview celebrities, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and what 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: I like to call industry decision makers. Today, my guest 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite people on the Food Network, 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Channing any Chale deals with food. It's Duff Golden when 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: he when his dream a rock starting wasn't playing paying 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: the bills, like my dream of being a comedian wasn't 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: paying the bill. He turned his pastry talents and found 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: the Charm City Cakes in Baltimore, Maryland in two thousand two. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: He's an entrepreneur. His cakes are soldo on gold Belly 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: and available nationwide do shipping, and you also can buy 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: Duff cake mix. He re released his first kids cookbook, 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Super Good Baking for Kids, and in two thousand twenty 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: one he became a proud paper which I love to 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: talk about. It changes your life. I got the only 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: daughter and changed my life. Duffs on the should to 30 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: talk about his new Discovery Plus original series, Duff's Happy 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Fun Baked Time, premier April. Tune in night on Discovery Plus. 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Please working to Money Made Conversation. He's gonna make me smile. 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: I know he is, Duff. How got you just marketing? All? 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: You got the T shirt all? I don't know what 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: kind of bull you got on your shirt that you're 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: just doing it looking good? Man, I ain't proud proper. 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that being a proud papa man. Oh man. 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: So we have a daughter, and she is three months old, 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: and I feel like I feel like I finally have 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: purposed in my life. There I understand now the reason 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: why they put me on this earth. It was to 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: be a daddy. I love it. I just love it. 43 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: It's really amazing, you know, I know what I you know, 44 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: fortunate to have a daughter, you know, and as well 45 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: and just the the you know, it's it's just unconditional love, 46 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: you know. And then and then you get through that 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: part stuff where you know you you can't hurt them, 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, even though they followed, they can't sit up 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: because they don't have a spine yet strong enough to 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: hold them up. And the whole processes is it really 51 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: does give you a sense of purpose man, you know, 52 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: because I'm not saying you don't have it, but it 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: gives you a future. It becomes part of your what 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: what you know, you have a purpose of planning this 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: young child eighteen years all the years that you had 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: in your head about your life. The people have talked 57 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: about now as being transferred into this child. Tell us 58 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: about it. Well, you know, if there's something about like 59 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: raising a child, and then you think about like my 60 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: own childhood and I'm like, Okay, what do I like 61 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: about myself? And how do I foster that into her? 62 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: And what what would I like to not have? Like, 63 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's we all have things where we're critical 64 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: of ourselves. And how do you when you're raising a child, 65 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: like how do you make sure that you know they 66 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: are equipped with the things that will help them through 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: those problems better than you were when you know you 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: were trying to figure that out and just trying to understand, 69 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: like how do I articulate these things to my child 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: as she's growing up? You know? Yeah, that's that's important 71 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: because you know, you're you're moving your your industry. There's 72 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: always been adult driven. It's not kind of moving in 73 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: that direction of children. And I'm gonna tell you some 74 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: I've watched the show we're gonna talk about, and I'm 75 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: gonna jump around a little bit because I'm talking really 76 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: moving into the Dolf happy fun big time because they 77 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: see me a bunch of clips on the show because 78 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: it premiers, you know, this month, And so when I 79 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: watched the clips, Oh, what audience are you? Let me 80 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: ask you first, what audience are you shooting folks for 81 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: the show? Let me ask you that first. So um, 82 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: I really want everybody to watch it. I want kids 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: to watch it. I want their parents to watch it 84 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: with them. I wanted it to be like not just tolerable, 85 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: but really enjoyable for adults, but I want people who 86 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: don't have kids to watch it too. And my last 87 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: cookbook was for kids, and I wrote that book especially, 88 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: so if kids get it, they're gonna be stoked. If 89 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: adults get it, they're going to be stoked too, because 90 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: all the recipes are real. I tend to find that 91 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: if I talk to kids an adults the same, Like 92 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: like if I talk to the kids like adults, kids 93 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: respond much better. You know, when you when you really 94 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: kind of like slow it way down and really talked 95 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: down kids too. Now they're like, I don't got time 96 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: to that, you know. And so um, hopefully for dust 97 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: Happy Fund big time. I hope everybody across the across 98 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: the spectrum, was it high school kids, college kids, adults, kids, arrants, everybody. Well, 99 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a big hit with millennials 100 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 1: because millennials are into that, you know, do it yourself. 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: They they they're used to the podcast. They grew up 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: on the video, the YouTube, so they used to watching 103 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: stuff and being told what to do through a screen 104 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: and also and tell some adult telling them what to do. 105 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you watching the videos. One thing 106 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: I did notice this it's really good, is that because 107 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: you're moving kind of slow, you know, because because you're 108 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: dealing with Jim Hanson characters around, you have to respond 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: back to them. It really helped me. And I can 110 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: bake and I can cook. But when I normally watch TV, 111 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: you guys are so smooth, You're so fast, and sometimes 112 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: you know you have to put pause, and really watching you, 113 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: you don't have to put them. You can almost follow 114 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: you and bake it at the same time. Right, It's good, 115 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: you know. One of the things that I try to 116 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: do and we do it on Happy from Big Time too. 117 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Whatever I'm cooking on television, I always tell them leave 118 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: the mistakes, and if I make a mistake, I want 119 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: everybody to see it and then they can hear me 120 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: talk myself through it. And that way, like when I'm learning, 121 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: if I if I do something, I'm like, Okay, I 122 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: messed this thing up. I need to think about my 123 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: process and need to think about what I'm doing. I 124 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: do it out loud, and I talked through my thought 125 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: process and that way everybody at home understands how I'm 126 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: thinking about that, and it goes it doesn't it becomes 127 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity. They're not a mistake anymore, and now everybody's 128 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: learning good. Well, you know that that thought that was 129 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: really important that I got that out to you, because 130 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: you know videos of you know, you have these little 131 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: quick videos on buzz and all BuzzFeed and all that stuff. 132 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: You know, they moved so fast you have to pause, pause, 133 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: pause pause watching your show. Are the clips that they 134 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: sent to me of your show. I was like, wow, 135 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: I could actually simultaneously do this as he as he 136 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: doing it, and I'm adult. So that's why I asked 137 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: you earlier, who are you really playing too? If you 138 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: plan for kids, I think a lot of adults are 139 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: gonna glob into you know, gonna watch this show because 140 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: I can follow it and it's very important. Yeah, yeah, 141 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean I really think that the 142 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: tone of it, it's very funny. Uh. You know. My 143 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: sort of biggest influences are like, I like everything A certists, 144 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: so you know, money, pithon kids in the hall of 145 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: things like that. Um, I love Pewee's Playhouse growing up. 146 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: You know, that was another sort of big influence, you know, 147 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: and I just you know, just Pewee's, you know, Paul Rubins, 148 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: just imagination, it's just through the roof. I just love 149 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: the way you think. And so, you know, there's a 150 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: lot of those kind of influences really went into the show. 151 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: And when you watch it, there's some really absurd, silly 152 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: fun stuff like there's, um, there are six eggs in 153 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: the refrigerator that are puppets. Each one of them is 154 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: a different grandmother and so any anytime I opened the fridge, 155 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: all the grandmother's you know, they kind of, you know, 156 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: yell at me. And it's really funny. It's really really Okay, 157 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: well you gotta start. Let's talk about these characters. You 158 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: got cous Cous, Dizzy Eggers, later, Dragon Oven and your 159 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: boy Jeff. So let's talk about it, like let's Jeff, 160 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about each one of those characters because off air, 161 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: and I gotta bring it on the air. You know, 162 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm a little older than you. It reminded me of 163 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: watching a Great Cooking version of h Mr Rodgers Neighborhood. 164 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: It reminded me of Captain Kangaroo and you know, so 165 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: it was refreshing watching this show. But I also know, 166 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's a risk too, because people can come 167 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: across as silly and can come what is he doing? 168 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: He looks crazy, but it really comes across as entertaining. 169 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: And you have a really good sense of humor and 170 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: and perfect comic timing, perfect comic timing, thank you. Uh, 171 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up listening to like comedic records. 172 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: You know, my parents had a lot of comedy on 173 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: records that he used to listen to him over and 174 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: over again. And I think I developed like comedic time 175 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: and relatively early without even thinking about it. So, um, 176 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: like all the characters there, let's start with Jeff. So, 177 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: Jeff is my real life uh you know, a partner 178 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: chef de cuisine. I mean, he's been my sux chef 179 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: since you know, almost day one. Um, you know, I 180 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: started a charge to the case in two thousand to 181 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: just started working for me in two thousand three, and 182 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: we've known each other since college, you know, I mean 183 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: we've been friends forever. And um, so, Jeff is also 184 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: a musicians. When I'm a musician, A lot of the 185 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: people when we started charging to the cakes. It was 186 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: all my friends who were in band who needed a job, 187 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: and so we started this bakery so we could all work. 188 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: And so um, Jeff is in in happy fun daytime. 189 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: He's the purveyor. So whenever I need ingredients, flower but 190 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: or whatever, Jeff shows up and brings it to me. 191 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: But Jeff is also an amazing singer songwriter, So every 192 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: time Jeff comes and drops off the groceries, he pulls 193 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: out a guitar or ukulele or something and he sings 194 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: a song about whatever it is that we're doing in 195 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: the kitchen. And it was just kind of like a 196 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: fun way to sort of like get Jeff like other 197 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: talents besides cake decorating, you know as part of the show, 198 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: and music is a big, big part of it. 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That's 233 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: O T T E R dot ai. Yeah, and now 234 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: we have now Jim Hanson cannot forget. Let's let's go 235 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: back to all these are all these puppets that are 236 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: powered by Jim Hidson's genius, his brand genius. And now 237 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: you duff okay, did the idea come to you or 238 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: did you pitch the idea to them? And then let's 239 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: talk about these characters that were developed around you while 240 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: you're doing these cooking sessions and baking sessions. Yeah. So 241 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: I was in my apartment and I was baking, and 242 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: I was watching Tesume Streets. Um. I watched a lot 243 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: of kids shows like just I really do enjoy them, 244 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: like not just as research or anything. I just I 245 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: like watching testhme Street it's fantastic show. And so I 246 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: was baking and watching TV and baking, and I'm like 247 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: looking at it and I was like, you know, this 248 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: would be a really good idea, right baking and you know, 249 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: having puppets and like being able to do all like 250 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: the really conceptual, beautiful artwork that that they did on 251 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: Sesame Street. So I wrote basically like a like I 252 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: wrote the first episode right my wife and created these characters, 253 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: and we kind of came up with like how we're 254 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: explaining the science of how an egg works. And then um, 255 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: I wrote this whole thing, and I brought it to 256 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: Jim Henson, the Jim Henson Company, and I was like, hey, 257 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: here's my idea, and I kind of like act it 258 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: out the whole show, and uh, they were like, yes, 259 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna we want to make that. And then we 260 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: brought the Food Network and we brought to Discovery and 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: we're like, hey, I got this idea. It's not like, 262 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: you know, there's no scripted television on Food Network or 263 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: really on any Discovery. And I was like, I really 264 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: want to do this show. I think it's great, and 265 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: they're like, we do two, let's make it. I'm like 266 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Yeah, like you understand how this business works, 267 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: like the fact that something this different and kind of 268 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, just like there's not really a model for 269 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: what we did. The fact that something like this got 270 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: made is I mean, it's a million of one. And 271 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: you know that'sion because you know, it was like it 272 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: was on what we slopped is on the cook Cooking channel, 273 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: where we slopped this on the Food Network, but in streaming, 274 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's everything is a category and your and 275 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: your brand. So they go, well, this is a duff 276 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: new show. And I just love the fact that you know, 277 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: I know, you said Sesame Street. And the reason I 278 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: I went with Captain Kangaroo and I went with you know, 279 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Mr Rogers neighborhood is because there was an individuals and 280 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: individuals and I was just saying, it's just me just 281 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: talking about your talent and you're just acharismatic, fun entertaining guy, 282 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna talk about charm City in 283 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: a minute. Because the fact that that evolved around just 284 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: just just individuals who just thought out of the box 285 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: and the kitchen is amazing to me. But that's why 286 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: I thought that it was special because you know, every 287 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: every era, every twenty years, you know, there's a new 288 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: individual that comes along that just really separates themselves in 289 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: that educational platform. Because this is what this really is. 290 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: It's education for the young people to make them understand 291 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: and be safe in the kitchen because you teach all 292 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: those tips and you have all these devices that the 293 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: other talks and and all these things, and the robots 294 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: sitting right next to you with the big eyeballs and 295 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: all these different things. And later, you know, just slow movies, 296 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: Sloth is over there just just hanging off on you. 297 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: That that really and and it helps me out. And 298 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: I think that because you're a new father now, you know, 299 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: this is even more exciting because of the fact that 300 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna repeat, repeat, repeat, and your child's gonna grow 301 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: up on this and you're gonna have a whole new 302 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: army of bakers and cooks because of you do. I 303 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I love it. Well, you know, 304 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: it's it's nice like so with all the other characters. 305 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: So couscous is my sous chef, and she is Custos 306 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: is really in charge of the kids, and she is 307 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: a robot that I made out of old kitchen part 308 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: and she kind of keeps the rest of it to 309 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: mind because everybody else is a little crazy, including me. Um. 310 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: So there is uh, there's a there's a blue crab 311 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: from you know, chest Peak day. You know, I wanted 312 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: to give a little nod to Baltimore. So there's a 313 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: blue crab who's real crabby and another wordle not to Baltimore. 314 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: His name is Edgar, after Edgar A. Poe who was 315 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: born in Baltimore. Um. And then let's see there's Slater, 316 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: who's kind of like the slacker sloth who lives in 317 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: the ceiling and he kind of comes down every once 318 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: in a while. And yeah, the nice thing about Slater 319 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: is that he's the one that's asking a lot of questions. Right, 320 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: He'll be like, why are you doing that? What's going 321 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: on here? Why are we going to stick that thing 322 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: in the mixture? You know, he's always asking questions. And 323 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: so by asking questions, he gets me to to you know, 324 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: sort of like you know, save the things that are 325 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: really kind of the meat, you know of like, well, 326 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: let me show you how eggs work. Let me show 327 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: you how the gluten in flower makes pasta chewy. You know, 328 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: things like that. Um. There's also our oven is a 329 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: dragon and he based everything in his mouth. So when 330 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: we need to bake something, he gives a big roar 331 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: and steam comes out. We put the food in his mouth, 332 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: he closes it, he based it, and when we pull 333 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: it back out, I love that do the beauty of um. 334 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: The mixer is I was looking at my mixer and 335 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you need a mixer. And I 336 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: was kind of thinking of Cherry from t We's Playhouse 337 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: Big Chair that talks trying to think of like what's like, 338 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: what does mixture like look like? And I just thought, 339 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: you know what if there was an election, right like 340 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: you know you can kind of see big years and 341 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: then she would mix her and she mixes everything with 342 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: her trunk. Right. Yeah. If you said this guy is 343 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: really to engage with this show, but I am because 344 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: I'm excited about what you're doing. Because first of all, 345 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: it's a lot of hard work because the scripted and 346 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: so a lot of so you you pitched the idea 347 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: that really, unlike the other shows you've done, which is 348 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: natural talent and prov you have a script that you 349 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: have to memorize and because when you throw a joke, 350 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: somebody got respond to the joke. How much work was 351 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: that was involved in the in the in the table, reason, 352 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: the scripted of this stuff and you stand on um, man, 353 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: I gotta say it's it was very uncomfortable, you know 354 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I really had to like, Wow, 355 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: I have to say a thing that I have to 356 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: I have to I actually have to know what's about 357 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: to come out of my mouth because like usually it's 358 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: just you know, it's just coming out. Like now I 359 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: have like a specific thing that I have to say. 360 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm not good at that, you know. And when it's funny, 361 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 1: when I first pitched the show to to Jim Hinson Company, 362 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: I assume that somebody would be playing the head banker 363 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: that you know, the person, and they're like, no, no, no, 364 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: it's got to be you. And I was like, I'm 365 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: not an actor, you know, like I'm a tate decorator, 366 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 1: Like it has to be you. And I was like, 367 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: I'll give it a shot, you know. Um and uh 368 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: so you know we did. But it was it was 369 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: it was really difficult. But it was also because the 370 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: puppeteers are so amazing. They kind of remember like these 371 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: are the best of the best in this industry. I mean, 372 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: these guys like they were, um, you know, wanted the 373 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: puppet lead on dust Topping Fund Baking punt was also 374 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: Augre in the Dark Crystal, and when I found that out, 375 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: I had like kind of like I got like a 376 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: little star struck, you know, because I mean I just 377 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: the puppeteers that were on the show was just really 378 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: really good. And one of the things that they're great 379 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: at improv And you know, I am a total knubie. 380 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: I've never acted. This is the first time I've had 381 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: a learned lines and like, you know, interact with I've 382 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: never worked with puppets before. I mean, this was all 383 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: new to me. But they were so good at what 384 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: they do. They could take somebody that had never been 385 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: seen any of this world, you know, any of it, 386 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: and they brought me in and just they made me good. 387 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: You know, it was magic. You know. The thing about 388 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: it is that, first of all, I'm excited for you. 389 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: You were your great man, uh, I love you. But 390 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: it all started somewhere and then all start with with 391 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: a like a mad House genius. I'm gonna use that word. 392 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: The Madhouse Gees and two thousand two at Chalm City cakes. 393 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: Can you at least tell my listeners and viewers how 394 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: did that come about? And then how did TV discover you? So? Um, 395 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: I was I graduated culinary school in ninety seven, and 396 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: I was working in hotels and restaurants and I was 397 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: I was basically just driving around the country and kind 398 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: of bumming and and you know, doing different things, just 399 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: trying things out. I didn't really know what I wanted 400 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: to do. I knew I wanted to cook, but I 401 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: wasn't sure, like you, I want to be a pastry 402 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: chef at the hotel? Did I want to work in 403 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: a bakery? Did I want to own a bakery? And 404 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: then I want to work in a cake shop for 405 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: a restaurant. They want to be the pastry chef in 406 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: a five star you know, a really crazy place. I 407 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: didn't know where I sit and um, eventually I got 408 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: back to Baltimore. Um, and I was working as a 409 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: personal chef for a family. Uh, and they had four kids, 410 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, I was really good with 411 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: the kids. So that was kind of where I first realized, 412 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: was like I don't know why, but for some reason, 413 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: it's like responsibly. But then, um, I kind of wanted 414 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: to put my cooking career on hold because I'm awesome 415 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: musician and I wanted to see a fact could actually 416 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: make it as a working, you know, musician in a 417 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: rock band. So I quit my job and I started 418 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: making fakes in my apartment so I could play the 419 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 1: rent while I was becoming you know, a big famous 420 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: rock star. And so, uh, I'm still I'm still a 421 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: waiting for that to happen. When um so, I was 422 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: just making cakes to my apartment and like, Baltimore is 423 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: not a big city, right, It's a you know, medium 424 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: size city. And so when somebody who's like in their 425 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: early twenties, covered in tattoos, who's inter rock band, is 426 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: making you know, really beautiful wedding cakes, like people talk 427 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: about it. They're like, well, that's weird. And then I 428 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: started getting more business to people start realizing like, oh, 429 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: this guy is actually good at what he does. And then, 430 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: um So, then I hired my friend Jeff, and then 431 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: I hired a bunch of other of my friends. Um 432 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: some of them were going to art school in Baltimore, 433 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: but they're all friends from the kind of the music 434 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: and art community of Baltimore is very very sight community. 435 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: Um well, then we got a call from Food Network. 436 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: They wanted us to be to compete on one of 437 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: the competition shows, and so Jeff and I were like, yeah, sure, 438 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: let's do it. And so we went and we competed, 439 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: and like, you know, we failed, Like you know, I 440 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: think we're at like third or fourth place, like did 441 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: not make a big splash as far as like our 442 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: cake decorating skills go. But we were really funny, so like, 443 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're just we kind of have like a 444 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: very natural banter. We've known each other forever and um, 445 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, so he's kind of like the straight man 446 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: on the kind of wild man. And they liked this, like, hey, 447 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: do you want to compete, you know, on another one? 448 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, we didn't win, and they're like, 449 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You guys are great, you're funny. So 450 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: they kept having us on even though we never went right, 451 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: we never won, We weren't even like you know, the 452 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: top three, like we're always you know, kind of flook 453 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: around the middle. A couple of times, we were all 454 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: the way at the bottom, like our cakes could fall 455 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: apart to catch on fire and stuff. But they're like, 456 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: you got the great TV so then they came. They 457 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: wanted to shoot some b roll, So in TV b 458 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: rolls like the kind of like the footage that somebody 459 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: talks over and so if you're seeing a you know, 460 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: a city skate, but you hear somebody's voice, that's b roll, right, 461 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: So they wanted to get some b roll in the bakery. 462 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: And so when they came to the bakery, everybody in 463 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: there was either in like a rock band or was 464 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: going to art school. So everybody was very unique, right, 465 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: A lot of tattoos, had a weird color hair, a 466 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: lot of you know, people just dressed weird, like we're 467 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: just you know, a bunch of weirdo. And so they 468 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: were like filling. They're like, oh, there's a whole bunch 469 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: of you guys. You know we should we should do 470 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: a show in your bakery because we've never seen anything 471 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: like this. There's a bunch of weird art kids with 472 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, power tools on the wall making insane cakes. 473 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 1: Your brand, man, you're a genius Discovery plus original Serious. 474 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: Duff's Half a Fund Fake Time premieres April Twining name, 475 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for the conversation, Thank you for allowing me 476 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: to speak to somebody I consider a genius in the baking, 477 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: in the culin area, in that world that I aspired to. 478 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: You said you want to be a rock star. I 479 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: want to be a bake star. How about that? If 480 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: you're ever out in l a man, look me out, 481 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: come on over. Appreciate you. You You will be doing my 482 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: boys Stephen a show today. Right, you're doing this show 483 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: that did this show right Stephen? Yeah, but that's my 484 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: TV show too, executive produced that show. Oh cool, he's amazing. Yeah, 485 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm I got love for you, Duff, I got love 486 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: for you. Okay, appreciate I gotta let you go. Man, 487 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: they pressed me. I appreciate you. Talk soon. Bye bye everybody. Okay. 488 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: If you want to hear or see any more of 489 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: my interviews, please go Money Making Conversation dot com. I'm 490 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: with Sean McDonald. I am your host. 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