Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no
Speaker 1: Seillers podcast with your host. Now funk that with your
Speaker 1: low glasses Malone. I did a podcast about a week
Speaker 1: or two ago with one of my partners, Concrete. Concrete
Speaker 1: is a super funny uh Mexican comedian, really funny, and
Speaker 1: he produces He has a podcast studio and he produces
Speaker 1: a sports podcast. Um. The name of the podcast I
Speaker 1: sent you some of the stuff I saw it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the name of that podcast, hold on and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you is take Shot Sports. And you lived up
Speaker 1: to the name first. So this is no seilings, g
Speaker 1: l glasses low in my man, p B. Peter Boss.
Speaker 1: As usual, while we're doing well, we do up in
Speaker 1: this stag. So on this take Shot Sports. Right. Um.
Speaker 1: I was doing a podcast and they were asking me
Speaker 1: about the w n b A. And he's like, man, gee,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Just for the audience,
Speaker 1: what is the w n b A. The w n
Speaker 1: B as the Women's National Basketball Association. It's interesting, yes,
Speaker 1: go on. So they were asking me what did I
Speaker 1: think was wrong with the w n b A, And
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, women don't support women in sports
Speaker 1: like they don't support women in sports. They do the
Speaker 1: worst job of supporting each other in real life, let
Speaker 1: alone in sports. Right, And it became this long conversation
Speaker 1: and then our like, it's like, what would it take
Speaker 1: to to um to get the w NBA to pop?
Speaker 1: I said, you would need Lebron James to become a
Speaker 1: trans athlete and go over and become Lebron and James
Speaker 1: and play in the w n B A. It could
Speaker 1: be when he retires or whatever, but that's how you
Speaker 1: make it pop. You need a professional NBA player that
Speaker 1: somebody celebrated or just somebody who really people revere in
Speaker 1: in basketball and male basketball to go over. And long
Speaker 1: story short, somebody, one of my home girls see the
Speaker 1: podcast and she's like, oh, gee, man, you know you
Speaker 1: don't have enough respect for female athletes. And I just
Speaker 1: start thinking about it, like, males watch the NBA. That's
Speaker 1: who drives the NBA. Men, correct, Men watch men play
Speaker 1: basketball because we care about what gifted athletes of of
Speaker 1: you know, the male species can do, so we we
Speaker 1: are intrigued by it. It It creates camparaderie, It creates
Speaker 1: a level of conflict that time, you know, it creates
Speaker 1: more excitement to this thing we call life. Why are
Speaker 1: women not? Why do women? Why aren't women you know,
Speaker 1: more intrigue with women's sports because women aren't into sports
Speaker 1: by and large anyway, So regardless of who's playing, if
Speaker 1: you aren't into sports, it's not gonna make much of
Speaker 1: a difference. Unfortunately, I think maybe two of them, the
Speaker 1: two biggest gaps in the genders for viewership and audience
Speaker 1: stuff in sports is like the NBA and probably boxing.
Speaker 1: You know you're not gonna get up women's boxing match
Speaker 1: is gonna do numbers like what Fury Joshua fight before
Speaker 1: he got next and he lost, was going to potentially
Speaker 1: do you know, I don't think it's and it's a
Speaker 1: big it's a huge woman's fight coming like in the
Speaker 1: next sixty days. Clarisias Shields, who's probably the best female
Speaker 1: boxer in the history of boxing. She's a two time
Speaker 1: gold medalist. She's out of Flint, Michigan super those sister,
Speaker 1: two times old medalists, three or four weight divisions, undisputed
Speaker 1: in two like ship that has never happened in boxing ever.
Speaker 1: She's accomplished in less than twenty fights, right, and she's
Speaker 1: fighting the only person to beat her in the Amateurs
Speaker 1: a lady who's a champion I think at one sixty
Speaker 1: or one sixty eight named Savannah Marshall. It's a white
Speaker 1: lady and it's a black lady. It's the exact same
Speaker 1: plot as the Great White Hype or the only fight
Speaker 1: that whichever ways it was that was playing the champion
Speaker 1: had lost us to the white guy back when he
Speaker 1: was an amateur. You know, they would do such a
Speaker 1: better job of marketing it. And maybe they are because
Speaker 1: the fight is you know, in England. You know, it's
Speaker 1: overseas because Savanna half of the billion. This it's not
Speaker 1: it's not touching a half a billion, it's not touching
Speaker 1: a tenth of a half a billion. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: it may say out though too this the rena over there.
Speaker 1: Maybe Okay, they're making some progress. That's the point I'm
Speaker 1: making for sure, for sure, you know, I mean, and
Speaker 1: and I am a treat like I'm going to watch
Speaker 1: that fight because again you're right, it is the same
Speaker 1: plight as as the gray Height where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the only person who beat her, and this lady,
Speaker 1: this is white. Savannah Marshall is a puncher like she's
Speaker 1: not like Clarisian Shields is. She she's a good professional,
Speaker 1: but her style she's a little slappy and amateurish at times.
Speaker 1: I mean, not not forgetting that's wrong, because she's like
Speaker 1: literally the greatest boxer ever, but she doesn't it's not
Speaker 1: always a not a finisher. She's a point fighter, really
Speaker 1: good though, I mean, and she tries to person attention,
Speaker 1: but Savannah Marshall got stops and again we can talk
Speaker 1: about the quality of opposition she is as a pro.
Speaker 1: But I'm in a rested in the fight. But I
Speaker 1: think these are the moments right where you have the
Speaker 1: right type of fights. Yet they aren't being marketed it.
Speaker 1: You know, they excuse they aren't being marketed as great
Speaker 1: as they could. Like this is a black lady from
Speaker 1: American a white lady from England. This has the makings
Speaker 1: to be brilliantly you know, big fight for women's boxing.
Speaker 1: But I just I'm looking at it and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: like you're not. Where is the magic happening? You know,
Speaker 1: create the magic around it? Yeah, I mean this is
Speaker 1: the NBA pretty much created their whole status right now
Speaker 1: off of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: that rivalry people. I think between college basketball and in
Speaker 1: the NBA and stuff. By the end of the seventies,
Speaker 1: we're familiar with basketball. People are familiar with boxing, for sure,
Speaker 1: but they're not particularly familiar with women's body thing. It's
Speaker 1: difficult to market an introduction campaign. Mm hmm. They still
Speaker 1: still the fight, like, how is UFC? How is UFC
Speaker 1: able to you know? Market? Uh? What's the lady name?
Speaker 1: Who got all that creatively? Rhonda Rousing? I think that
Speaker 1: was in part she rode the wave of the ascent
Speaker 1: of the UFC. The UFC doesn't have like we talked
Speaker 1: about this a while ago, where in pro boxing, so
Speaker 1: many of the main big prime super fights happened past
Speaker 1: prime because the longer that a person is a star,
Speaker 1: the greater the gravity of their stardom is. So you
Speaker 1: don't lose value kicking a fight down the road because
Speaker 1: the two people only become more familiar to more and
Speaker 1: more people. The UFC, it's almost like, I mean ship
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, the UFC has gone like just cycled
Speaker 1: through superstars almost on like a year, year and a
Speaker 1: half basis. Other than that Irish guy who kind of
Speaker 1: takes time off and comes back, you know, like Chuckle
Speaker 1: Dwell was the greatest thing for like a year, then
Speaker 1: another guy was the greatest thing for like a year.
Speaker 1: You know. They don't have these five six, seven year
Speaker 1: long windows Superstar. The actual association itself is the star. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People are more fans of the teams in football, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think in UFC was became a fan of
Speaker 1: the UFC and whoever was on that was good enough
Speaker 1: for them. So you think Rhonda Rousing really was just
Speaker 1: within the shuffle of them selecting somebody knew to get
Speaker 1: by on for a small period of time. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that there was a lot of novelty to the
Speaker 1: UFC and its growth, which is kind of what made
Speaker 1: it popular, and then there was novelty within novelty. I
Speaker 1: think like right now, if if Rhonda Rowsey, say two
Speaker 1: or three years ago, if a if Rohn Da Rousey
Speaker 1: happened to in novel fashion come onto the scene in
Speaker 1: that in that regard, after the UFC was really established,
Speaker 1: people are really used to it and people were really
Speaker 1: fans and stuff like that, not just like wow, these
Speaker 1: people are beating the ship out of each other and
Speaker 1: not really knowing much about it. I don't think she
Speaker 1: would have gotten much traction. Yeah, but isn't Amanda noon
Speaker 1: Ye is doing really well there now, I don't think
Speaker 1: she's doing Rhonda Rousey. Popular is definitely you know, an anomaly,
Speaker 1: you know, ouside, which is weird because Venus and Serena.
Speaker 1: I think tennis is more of a sport that people
Speaker 1: pay respect to women in. I think historically Now I
Speaker 1: don't quote me if you listen and it is. But
Speaker 1: I'm just going off a small recollection. I have no
Speaker 1: experience at this. I've never looked it up. But growing up,
Speaker 1: I always remember female tennis players hearing names. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just ever about Arthur ash or you know, Andre Agassi
Speaker 1: or McEnroe. I will hear the women's names coming up
Speaker 1: and the sports. You know, Graph is a tennis player, right,
Speaker 1: Stephie Graph, Martina Ratalova, Chris Everett, Billy jenne King, all
Speaker 1: the way back. I mean, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Boxing and basketball have the two greatest gaps. Whereas for
Speaker 1: for people who are tracking field people, there's no one
Speaker 1: who's like a men's track and field fan. Only people
Speaker 1: like men's and women's track. People like men's and women's volleyball.
Speaker 1: Typically people like men's and women's tennis for sure, and
Speaker 1: even swimming to the seasonal Olympic whatever. People are like,
Speaker 1: I only want to watch the men's freestyle. They want
Speaker 1: to watch both. It's just basketball and boxing. Jo Jackie,
Speaker 1: Jordany Kersey and Trey. Yeah, flow Joe, the you know,
Speaker 1: all the crushing Joe or Jackie is what flow Joe?
Speaker 1: She went to Jordan's she yeah, yeah, yeah. So so
Speaker 1: you're saying it's the sport itself that's holding women back
Speaker 1: in that's particular sport. I think that. So we've we've
Speaker 1: eliminated simply why women aren't into you know, w NBA.
Speaker 1: Why aren't the same men that you know just like
Speaker 1: me and watched tennis, you know, because I agree me
Speaker 1: and watch both right there, they'll watch Serena and Venus
Speaker 1: kick ass like they'll watch McEnroe or one of those
Speaker 1: kick as. It just came to me, here's the reason.
Speaker 1: The w I'm sorry, the UFC had Rhonda Rousey and
Speaker 1: Chuck or was it lessner like the w W yeah
Speaker 1: or whoever? The star to you on the men's side
Speaker 1: fighting the same day you saw them both. The w
Speaker 1: n B A is sort of like the USFL, they
Speaker 1: fight in another time of the season, so you have
Speaker 1: to be only a w NBA fan to be a
Speaker 1: w NBA fan, because they don't play at the same time,
Speaker 1: same day, same whatever as the NBA for the most part,
Speaker 1: whereas in basketball or and and and the events are shorter,
Speaker 1: like it would be a lot to ask to sit
Speaker 1: down and watch, like, yeah, like the final four of
Speaker 1: the n C Double A, We're gonna watch two games
Speaker 1: of men's and then two games. That's a lot. But
Speaker 1: for those other sports, tennis is complementary because for tournament
Speaker 1: type settings, they're happening at the same time, so you
Speaker 1: can get Federer at two o'clock, you can get Serena
Speaker 1: at four o'clock, and all kind of works. I think
Speaker 1: that's part of it. I think another part of it,
Speaker 1: quite honestly, people are gonna like this. The U the
Speaker 1: UFC is a little bit of a it's a different
Speaker 1: I think viewership, but it's an exception. But boxing and
Speaker 1: basketball don't showcase the women as men want to see
Speaker 1: them the way tennis and track and volleyball, do you
Speaker 1: know what. There is a bit of sexiness too, so
Speaker 1: when you see Serena Serena and then playing tennis, they
Speaker 1: do have shorter skirts. The things that skirts. They're rocking
Speaker 1: back and forth waiting for the surf to come through.
Speaker 1: Girls as a tiny little things getting in the blocks,
Speaker 1: and then they go to set and then you're running
Speaker 1: around booties bouncing all over the place. It's a different
Speaker 1: scene than basketball, sure, and women wrestling is always hot.
Speaker 1: They grab they've marketed the catfight, and it's a fight.
Speaker 1: It's still the fight. It ain't. It ain't even even
Speaker 1: when it ain't, you know, bull popping out, it's still
Speaker 1: the fight. Yeah. Too much punch of each other, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so what would it take? So you so yeah, So
Speaker 1: you can't do the same day right because you're not
Speaker 1: gonna ask somebody watch four hours of hoops, right? Or
Speaker 1: what if they broadcast right before a men's game. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna work because they're not possible because you could
Speaker 1: at least watch the fourth quarter of one going into
Speaker 1: the other the same way like the time slot thing
Speaker 1: helped friends being right before Seinfeld type ship. But I
Speaker 1: think the reality is you gotta put the w NBA
Speaker 1: players in the volleyball track outfits. It's the best chance
Speaker 1: they got. I know you don't want to hear it,
Speaker 1: but that's just the best chance they got. I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever the funk you want to hear, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling the truth. So the shorts are tightened though
Speaker 1: they're not tightening up. They're not short enough, and the
Speaker 1: tops is too bad. Okay. Is this chauvinistic? Absolutely? Is
Speaker 1: it realistic? Absolutely? So you have to cater to why
Speaker 1: men watch women, Yeah, because women aren't gonna watch women
Speaker 1: with that. I'm not gonna argue with that. Because when
Speaker 1: you look at the best female basketball player in the
Speaker 1: w n b A, their skills are not as great
Speaker 1: as the best man. Their athleticism not even close their athleticism.
Speaker 1: They may be as skilled, but they're athleticism. We do
Speaker 1: watch the NBA a lot because of athleticism. It is
Speaker 1: a bunch of Superman's. Absolutely, there's there's a mystique to
Speaker 1: male viewership, to watching some guy that can do something
Speaker 1: that you just fucking can't do. I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of people watch the w n b A and go, wow,
Speaker 1: I just fucking can't do that. Sure, you know, I
Speaker 1: think even in reality, a lot of people could watch
Speaker 1: well Ship Shelley and Fraser Price ran at ten six.
Speaker 1: You know how many people can run a ten six
Speaker 1: men wise, not a lot. In the world of track,
Speaker 1: there's a lot, But in the world of regular people
Speaker 1: it's not a you know how many people can do
Speaker 1: a layup? That's facts. So so that's also why, um,
Speaker 1: what's the leading name? Um? The tractor sister that run track.
Speaker 1: She Quarity Richardson. She is fast compared to the average
Speaker 1: human beings. She's fucking She's not fashion than all the
Speaker 1: women or all the men. She's still a ridiculously fast
Speaker 1: human being. Yeah, at this point in my life, I
Speaker 1: couldn't train to catcher. I don't think twenty years eighteen
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, if I made it my primary event
Speaker 1: and wanted to be a shitty hundred meter man, I
Speaker 1: could have catched her. But why like that? Huh you
Speaker 1: don't really have respect for a hundred meters. No, I
Speaker 1: would love to do the hundred meters, but I could have, um,
Speaker 1: like my ranking and other events that I work were
Speaker 1: my primary events, I could be better than. If I
Speaker 1: was to be in the hundred, I could run as
Speaker 1: fast as she could probably run. But I'm like so insignificant.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, Okay, what did you use four hundred hurdles
Speaker 1: and the four hundred like that? That heard of ship
Speaker 1: is crazy? Who was the best four heard of running
Speaker 1: of all time? You would never believe it if I
Speaker 1: told her this story. It's it's it's so funny you
Speaker 1: asked for since was a guy who went to use
Speaker 1: to a m Kevin Young and ran seven and nobody
Speaker 1: could touch it, which is weird because six seconds for
Speaker 1: fours with hurdles, so a whole lap, a whole lap
Speaker 1: of ten hurdles and point seven seconds absolutely and hurdling
Speaker 1: Holy ship and Olympic gold medalists came and went, and
Speaker 1: there was like a twenty year gap damn near where
Speaker 1: nobody even got under forty seven flat. And then two
Speaker 1: years ago three guys did it. Four guys did it
Speaker 1: actually in the last two years, and one guy last
Speaker 1: year because they had the Olympics delayed. This crazy, fucking
Speaker 1: lunatic looking white guy from Norway went forty five nine.
Speaker 1: It wasn't It was the most amazing thing I had
Speaker 1: ever seen. So he is now the reigning world record
Speaker 1: holder in the four hurdles and he's just like an
Speaker 1: adrenaline maniac. Never seen anything like him forty five nine,
Speaker 1: and that's a quarter of them mile to long. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: forty nine in an open is well, no, it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Like it's I can't running the forty I
Speaker 1: mean I can't run, but I couldn't run forty nine
Speaker 1: when that was my primary event. What was what's the
Speaker 1: fastest in in the open forty five? I mean in open?
Speaker 1: Four oh three? Three oh three guy from South America? Good, yeah,
Speaker 1: closer to three, but yeah, like two point nine. And
Speaker 1: who was the fastest woman to run fo DS? Women?
Speaker 1: The world record was just set again. This this girl
Speaker 1: who's American, has broken her own world record seemingly every
Speaker 1: time she's walked out doors for the last three years.
Speaker 1: And she's an unbelievable talent named Sydney McLaughlin. And she
Speaker 1: runs like fifty point five or six, I think was
Speaker 1: the world record. But the women's hurdles are also shorter,
Speaker 1: so there's that to consider as well. But even still
Speaker 1: a fifty point anything in the menuts hurdles, you're very
Speaker 1: very good. And even if you're like if you're a
Speaker 1: fifty point four hunderd meter open runner in high school,
Speaker 1: you're pretty good. You're probably the best. When you're on
Speaker 1: your high school team, you're probably the best in your league,
Speaker 1: depending on the league that you're in in general speak
Speaker 1: in America. So let me ask you a question so
Speaker 1: I can say this easy, right, Colarisias Shields being the
Speaker 1: best woman boxer today could not be Cornelo Alvarez the
Speaker 1: best mail boxer. I don't think it'd be very surprised. Um,
Speaker 1: she can't. I don't think the best you know, m
Speaker 1: w NBA player probably can be Jihan Is one on
Speaker 1: one or Kevin Durant or Lebron what it wouldn't make
Speaker 1: a team, couldn't make the league. Can Serena beat the
Speaker 1: best male tennis player? No chance? Okay, I because people,
Speaker 1: I think even asked her that, and she was like, no,
Speaker 1: the and and she is even metrically And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say this at all because, like I just
Speaker 1: usually the numbers I'm gonna cite are largely served speed.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the gap between her service speed
Speaker 1: and other women's grades at the time we lived to
Speaker 1: male grades at the time is the closest, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, like Monica Sellis, Martina Hinge is, Chris Everett.
Speaker 1: I mean Chris Everett at the time would have been
Speaker 1: playing opposite probably born Borg. She wasn't serving anything remotely
Speaker 1: comparable to bjorn Borg at all. You're saying, you're saying
Speaker 1: she is the closest to her male counterparts, but it's
Speaker 1: still fall at least in ball velocity. Yeah. The the
Speaker 1: problem is I don't think that she's hitting from the
Speaker 1: baseline at the velocity, and she can't cover the ground
Speaker 1: as athletic as she is, and she's tall, she's five
Speaker 1: nine five nine is really small compared to guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. So is it really about or
Speaker 1: worth fighting? Like, because I've I've heard them yo bang
Speaker 1: the gong dog on on it, and I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: how do you make more money if you're not generating
Speaker 1: more money? Well, yeah, I mean it depends. Is a
Speaker 1: battle worth fight? It depends on what the goal is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is the goal for if the If the goal is
Speaker 1: to get equal viewership from NBA to w n b A,
Speaker 1: then you need to figure out a way to make
Speaker 1: an equal number of people want to watch by hook
Speaker 1: or by crook. You know it's not gonna be basketball.
Speaker 1: We've already seen that it's not gonna be basketball that's
Speaker 1: not in the film. Think they can have the same
Speaker 1: story as Magic and Larry Burg have to competitors that
Speaker 1: they bring up from college and create this rivalry to
Speaker 1: have people tune in. I'm sure that there's a black
Speaker 1: guy and a white guy somewhere that are vuying to
Speaker 1: be the best car salesman in their zip code, but
Speaker 1: nobody cares. How you can marketing to where you can
Speaker 1: sell more cars. You could sell some more cars, but
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have the popularity the Magic had. I
Speaker 1: just genuinely think they don't support each other women. It's sports.
Speaker 1: They don't sports. Women don't support women. And you're walking
Speaker 1: around with a Sparks jersey woman, it's people who don't
Speaker 1: play basketball that we're Lakers Jersey. It's guys who don't
Speaker 1: play basketball they where Lakers Jersey. But I've never seen
Speaker 1: a young girl wear Sparks jersey. Like, why don't moms
Speaker 1: buy their daughters Sparks jerseys for Christmas? Because their kids
Speaker 1: want other things? Probably, I don't mean you could buy
Speaker 1: a kid of Sparks jersey for Christmas. Doesn't they're gonna
Speaker 1: wear it? So you just think the whole basketball thing
Speaker 1: is a wash. I don't think it's a wash. I
Speaker 1: think it's just more niche. You know. Sure, the percentage
Speaker 1: of like guys that are into sports, it's very very high.
Speaker 1: The percentage of girls are into sports is not so high.
Speaker 1: Would you say female tennis players are the most successful
Speaker 1: as far as all female athletes, Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. Um, like celebrated female athlete, more celebrated,
Speaker 1: you know, in America period than than uh Serena Williams.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And and even from a purse standpoint,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Like even women's golf ever really
Speaker 1: got traction like that. Yeah, I don't think I really
Speaker 1: know any female golfers that that does seem A lot
Speaker 1: of them were like, we're like Korean and Japanese women
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna this is gonna sound horrible. I
Speaker 1: can't decipher the one from the other golfers. I can
Speaker 1: identify Japan and Korea as countries, but all these different
Speaker 1: golfers they keep flying out here. I don't know who's
Speaker 1: will Yeah, another if you have a female athlete. Women's
Speaker 1: soccer did fairly decently, but I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: only because men's soccer in America just did so shitty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the answer. As I went to a
Speaker 1: sporting event, l A shout out to the l a
Speaker 1: f C. Real great people over there. My boy watched
Speaker 1: sticks plugged me. I don't like watching soccer on television,
Speaker 1: but soccer is the greatest sporting event live I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I could see that. It was crazy. Is I cannot
Speaker 1: watch on TV? Is the most lame and ship in
Speaker 1: the world to watch on tell I'm not into it
Speaker 1: is just ship happening and people going back and forth.
Speaker 1: I like watching it when the Spanish announcers because they'd
Speaker 1: be so fired up that should be popping good and
Speaker 1: they But I've watched it and it was it was like,
Speaker 1: it's the worst thing I've ever saw on TV. Like
Speaker 1: I would rather watch baseball on television than watch soccer.
Speaker 1: But I've been to a baseball game, football game, in
Speaker 1: the basketball game, in the boxing match. The soccer thing
Speaker 1: is the greatest ship I've ever been to, period of
Speaker 1: any large sporting event. Like it was fired up. They
Speaker 1: have a group at the l a f C. Right
Speaker 1: that's in the north side of the stadium and they
Speaker 1: stand up and go crazy the whole fucking time. That's impressive.
Speaker 1: It is like the greatest And I just was there like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. I was like, I need to be
Speaker 1: a fan. So if you listen to this podcast and
Speaker 1: you got a soccer team in the professional Soccer League
Speaker 1: in America, you know, go to their game. If you're
Speaker 1: in l A or if you're in l A County
Speaker 1: or anywhere in southern California, make sure you go check
Speaker 1: out the l A f C game. It is the
Speaker 1: greatest sporting event I've ever been to. And it was
Speaker 1: a regular game. It wasn't It might have been a
Speaker 1: playoff game. I think it was a regular game. But
Speaker 1: then when I tell you this thing was live, this
Speaker 1: thing was live. Um. So, in other words, you're saying,
Speaker 1: if you have a female athlete, if you have a
Speaker 1: female athlete, you should focus on tennis. Focus on what
Speaker 1: you're good at because that's the real answer. But like,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get a paycheck, yeah, female tennis
Speaker 1: is where the most money is. I I would imagine
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that there's another woman who's who's who's pursed.
Speaker 1: Serena Williams money in another sport. I can't I can't
Speaker 1: even pretend to guess at who that would be, and
Speaker 1: I don't really watch tennis. Is she really that good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's really that good. Um not anymore. I mean she's
Speaker 1: almost forty and a mother now and thinks she's about done.
Speaker 1: But in her prime, she was really that good. I
Speaker 1: think she also kind of had the Tiger Woods factor
Speaker 1: where she hit and Roger Federer had the same thing.
Speaker 1: Roger Federer had a huge surge period of his career
Speaker 1: where there wasn't any body else that was good. She
Speaker 1: had a longer one. Like if you look at the
Speaker 1: like Larry Holmes exactly like yes, yeah, like stephie Graff,
Speaker 1: who would be the other comp for best of all time?
Speaker 1: Had oh, like that was the gold the Golden era.
Speaker 1: She was with Martina vrot to Love. It's like Nicol
Speaker 1: It's like Jack Nicholas and um Arnold Palmer, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean there was yeah, Chris Evert was there. I mean,
Speaker 1: sell Us was the class stars, kind of like Floyd
Speaker 1: Floyd era boxing where you have danla Joia, you got
Speaker 1: Pock Yeah, like you got Colder, you got the biggest names,
Speaker 1: like like the eighties where you have like yeah, or
Speaker 1: even like the eighties in boxing you had Sugar Ray,
Speaker 1: you had her as you had all these guys. Um
Speaker 1: there was that. But I mean what's funny is nobody
Speaker 1: will give it credit, but the late d Floyd maywhere
Speaker 1: the era is better than of the Rays era. And
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy, right, it sounds asinine, But if you
Speaker 1: look at how many Hall of Famers he was able
Speaker 1: to come across and fight, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that was like crazy like that access to that many
Speaker 1: other all time you know, Hall of Famer is an
Speaker 1: all time great boxer. I mean, so to come across
Speaker 1: the best of the best, you mean, I think Sugar
Speaker 1: Ray's time as a boxer, you know, he he did
Speaker 1: have you know, the lighter guys, which was obviously uh
Speaker 1: No Moss, yeah, Duran, and there was another guy when
Speaker 1: he first came in that was really dope and he
Speaker 1: beat him for his first title. A lot of guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm drawing the blankets. I noticed
Speaker 1: it like in my sleep, but those guys and then
Speaker 1: coming up getting Sugar Ray. You know, Sugaray got Herns.
Speaker 1: He's able to get haggler, you know, He's able to
Speaker 1: get a couple of guys in that run, but he
Speaker 1: did miss the Hawk and he did miss McCallum. Right,
Speaker 1: but if you look at if you look at um
Speaker 1: Floyd's era, Floyd came out, you know he had day
Speaker 1: La Joya, he had Codo, he had more Kaz, he
Speaker 1: got Shane Mosley, he got Zab Judah. No, he miss
Speaker 1: trended that Peter Dad was so big by that point,
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. I can't remember that fight happen Joya
Speaker 1: because Dey Lajoya had moved up to one sixty. So
Speaker 1: coming down for that last fight with Floyd, you know,
Speaker 1: before he fall, Pokeyon retired having Pokeya, you know, coexisting
Speaker 1: And that's your point, no co exists, Floyd coexisting in
Speaker 1: the area, pokey out, excuse me, coexisting in the era
Speaker 1: or poke out made it that much better. So you're saying,
Speaker 1: I'll see what you're saying. I'm not saying. And luck.
Speaker 1: Another thing that that's different in tennis evolution is like
Speaker 1: the rackets, the shoes, like like like Diligient was using
Speaker 1: a wood racket for fox sake. Now they're using like
Speaker 1: some sort of graph fight with lightweights wigs a half
Speaker 1: an ounce, the strings are loaded, the hit zones this big,
Speaker 1: you know, whereas before it was this big on a
Speaker 1: on a wood racket. It's a different deal. But Serena's
Speaker 1: a supreme. The only other athlete I could think of
Speaker 1: in that sport that was b comper would be Steffi
Speaker 1: um She was about five eight or so, big, strong
Speaker 1: German lady who could run all day long the street
Speaker 1: was serain about a buck twenty damn near. I mean
Speaker 1: she was yeah, yeah, I think how good was Venus?
Speaker 1: She was really good. She wons some She won multiple
Speaker 1: Grand slams. She was probably the second best player of
Speaker 1: the era. Um. Once Serena beat her, though, she like
Speaker 1: never looked back, and she had some health issues and
Speaker 1: injury issues and stuff like that, but she was very good.
Speaker 1: She's already retired, right, I believe so, um so, who
Speaker 1: is the best female professional track athlete? Like the greatest,
Speaker 1: the greatest and all the track and field? It's hard
Speaker 1: to say, um. I think in reality, Flow Joe's world
Speaker 1: records have held for fucking ever, and the one and
Speaker 1: the two they're like impenetrable anybody within earshot of the
Speaker 1: sport in that era knows she was drugged up beyond
Speaker 1: her you know, beyond imagination. So and there's we already
Speaker 1: know a lot of people's own drugs anyway, steal to
Speaker 1: this day. Yeah, she never got pot that whole that
Speaker 1: is weird. I mean, like look at the men's ones
Speaker 1: and twos, like those things get broken. You know, the
Speaker 1: men's one has been broken a hundred times since that time.
Speaker 1: No one's even gotten very close. To be honest, I
Speaker 1: think this one girl Summer one got pretty close. That's
Speaker 1: about it. And um, but yeah, she's probably it. And
Speaker 1: maybe the most decorated, you could say, is Alison Felix.
Speaker 1: She has probably the most medals. I don't think she
Speaker 1: was ever that great. She just was really good for
Speaker 1: a long time. Shelley Anne Fraser Price from Jamaica probably
Speaker 1: is the best combination of the two. She was really
Speaker 1: really good and won a lot. And it's crazy because
Speaker 1: I'm making you spew this information because people don't really
Speaker 1: realize how much you would pay attention to female sports
Speaker 1: and somebody who people would think is misogynists or blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, you actually really pay attention to the whole layout.
Speaker 1: Because I don't know shit about nobody in female sports
Speaker 1: except nobody the closes something about it is and Wolf
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about Lisia Leslie. I know
Speaker 1: a lot about and Wolf. I know a little bit
Speaker 1: about Lisa Leslie. And I know a fair amount about
Speaker 1: Christy Martin. And you know, like Cheryl Miller, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really know about her aside that's Reggie's sister.
Speaker 1: Then who Yeah, she if the if the w n
Speaker 1: b A existed in the eighties, it might be a
Speaker 1: different story because of her. She was impossibly good and
Speaker 1: and the league basketball, I think, was having a general
Speaker 1: growth curve still at that time. So if the w
Speaker 1: n b A started in night, Cheryl might have carried it.
Speaker 1: So they still still it's still a new league. You're
Speaker 1: saying the w n BAS new league, but the the NBA,
Speaker 1: it isn't new anymore. Basketball is not new to anybody anymore.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, you're saying if they was a part
Speaker 1: of that growth in the eighties, they would have had
Speaker 1: a start to help as well. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: would have probably helped a lot. But who knows how
Speaker 1: big is female volleyball. It's retty big, especially beach volleyball.
Speaker 1: It's pretty big. I went to a little league or
Speaker 1: like a like a like a youth league's volleyball game
Speaker 1: and it was exciting too. That's funny. I come from
Speaker 1: like volleyball headquarters, um Beach, you all. That is for sure. Culturally,
Speaker 1: it's probably not like that's like the Manhattan Beach to
Speaker 1: Santa Monica area. There's a lot of like ship there.
Speaker 1: But for women's alley ball, the second and third best
Speaker 1: players of all time went to my high school. Wow.
Speaker 1: One of actually ship for a while. One of them
Speaker 1: was on my track team and we did the high
Speaker 1: jump together and she could out jump me when I
Speaker 1: was young, really very really. April Ross could out high
Speaker 1: jump me when she was in the twelfth grade and
Speaker 1: now was the tenth grade. Mhm, you developed into a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I stopped doing the event. But it's at
Speaker 1: one point, yeah, I was able to out jump her,
Speaker 1: but she was gone. That's crabb. I think they do.
Speaker 1: They come. They may don't grow into the same type
Speaker 1: of athletes, but they mature fast. Whatever they're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to do, they're gonna do it young. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think like sixth grade maybe like men an enter an
Speaker 1: intersex track meet in the sixth grade. It might be
Speaker 1: extremely competitive. You might see some guys get their asses beat.
Speaker 1: I like that. That would be funny. That would be
Speaker 1: the coolest thing that's acts. But I think that's what
Speaker 1: needs to happen. I think I think they need to
Speaker 1: make all NBA and all w NBA teams and have
Speaker 1: them play All Star games, like if men want to
Speaker 1: help market because I agree, like from a fan perspective,
Speaker 1: you have to doll them up. You know, you you
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough because I wouldn't ice Cu was
Speaker 1: going to shut down the Big Three because everybody's just
Speaker 1: doing layups and shooting with ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like he like, I think the Big Three is in
Speaker 1: trouble because they don't have the same athleticism that comes
Speaker 1: in the NBA, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: rough to watch the league, whereas a bunch of layups
Speaker 1: and jump shots, it'd be super pumped up. I mean
Speaker 1: unless you steph Curry, where you get a girl that's
Speaker 1: pulling up from half court, knocking shit down, going crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's you know, I
Speaker 1: think they need to if for for you know, uh,
Speaker 1: ignorant fan. You know. I agree, you have to cater
Speaker 1: to the to to the desire of seeing attractive, sexy
Speaker 1: type of woman, right, But I do think the w
Speaker 1: n b A it'd be tight, like if they have women,
Speaker 1: Like if they have some women in the NBA shoot,
Speaker 1: like they need to make a co ed All stars
Speaker 1: they do that that twoball bullshit, No one cares. That's
Speaker 1: when everyone goes to body like a w n b A,
Speaker 1: Like imagine, how okay, we don't know who their stars are,
Speaker 1: right we do. I kind of know who Candice Parker is,
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen a great highlight to make me
Speaker 1: want to watch. Like Metro put me on Steph Curry
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eleven or twelve, right or
Speaker 1: whatever whichever it was, might have been thirteen, but he
Speaker 1: was telling me about it, and I went to go
Speaker 1: right YouTube as highlights and I was like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: dude is pulling up from anywhere, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: when they told me about Kenneth Parker, I want to
Speaker 1: see her highlights and she just was doing regular baseline
Speaker 1: jump hooks and ship and I'm like, I don't grade
Speaker 1: on a curve for women. Nobody really does you know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't grade on the curve for women, So
Speaker 1: I just think that like if maybe if they did
Speaker 1: they All Star Games and made their All Star Games
Speaker 1: co ed. When me and are off in the off
Speaker 1: season and the three point Contests, has Steph Curry like,
Speaker 1: use your star power of the NBA, maybe somebody wins
Speaker 1: the three point Contests over Steph Curry. You know you
Speaker 1: can create a star that way. It's possible that could
Speaker 1: happen at but but but you can't have them play,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't throw like Candice Parker into the
Speaker 1: NBA All Star Game. Fucking no, no, no, not that way.
Speaker 1: The other way, have them come to the w NBA
Speaker 1: All Star Game like a well, like like like an
Speaker 1: invasion like Omaha beach. No. No, I'm saying because if
Speaker 1: you did that, you like I would watch that, Like
Speaker 1: I was joking on his other podcast when I said
Speaker 1: that if there was a trans NBA athletes, sure I'd
Speaker 1: watch it. Like the w NBA lacks storylines absolutely, Like
Speaker 1: I've seen Britney Grinder play right, and I'm like, like
Speaker 1: when she was in trouble, I looked at her highlights.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I don't want to dish or
Speaker 1: like she's better than me, but ship like, I don't
Speaker 1: think she would be better than JaVale McGee. She wouldn't
Speaker 1: be better than I. I have a hard time believing
Speaker 1: that she would, that she could earn a Division one
Speaker 1: men's scholarship. I just don't even see it happening. Like,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I mean, like like a
Speaker 1: six four backup guard at Indiana, We'll just truck her
Speaker 1: and dunk all over her and be two steps faster
Speaker 1: in both directions simultaneously. It's just not reasonable. Do you
Speaker 1: think uh Schryl used to be Reggie when he was
Speaker 1: young her? Absolutely? They both. They both are very open
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah. Probably twelfth grade. Man, I don't know
Speaker 1: how how late a bloomer Reggie was. Probably grade twelve grade.
Speaker 1: He probably started lighting her ass up. I had even
Speaker 1: had to be sooner than that. Magic getting whooped by yourself,
Speaker 1: Like Tim, you're trying to make Divorcity TV of your sister.
Speaker 1: Put made your tip. I would be talking to Spike
Speaker 1: Lee too. Yeah, she's a few years older. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta ask. I asked him. When I get a chance,
Speaker 1: I get around him asking like to what age was
Speaker 1: you when SUREL was just whooping your ass. They might
Speaker 1: have even talked about it on the because they had
Speaker 1: a thirty thirty with him and she was on there
Speaker 1: and they were talking about that like a lot. So
Speaker 1: but yeah, to ask him, I want to, like, tell
Speaker 1: me off the If he wants it off the record,
Speaker 1: leak it off the record. I'll keep it to myself.
Speaker 1: But I wanna, Yeah, I'd like to know she might
Speaker 1: have been whooping his assid cotton Na. She wouldn't wopping
Speaker 1: it was fucking his a lottery pick. He's six seven,
Speaker 1: he can shoot from down the street. Yeah shit, So
Speaker 1: if there was crime Serena, crime Serena, who's the best
Speaker 1: male tennis players? She could be? I wouldn't know his name.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know his name if you he's that far down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because her first serve red hot gambling. It's like a
Speaker 1: second serve for minute, her second serve. If she caught
Speaker 1: a line on the first serve, you gotta be more conservative.
Speaker 1: It's going like ninety, it's going five. I mean it's
Speaker 1: gonna get just driven right past or on the on
Speaker 1: the return. So wait a minute, you're saying her starve
Speaker 1: speed on first serve is a hundred and twenty at
Speaker 1: its peak. I think that's probably the fastest she was
Speaker 1: capped buck fifty. Holy shite, I don't Rodic. I might
Speaker 1: watched Rodic do a buck forty nine. Oh man, a
Speaker 1: whole another what's funny is I watched the movie about
Speaker 1: female baseball players called The League of their Own, and
Speaker 1: I heard it was based off like almost real baseball.
Speaker 1: They sent all the major league baseball players to war
Speaker 1: a World War two. Mm hmm. And I don't know
Speaker 1: about female baseball. I never heard nothing about it since
Speaker 1: nobody did. It became softball and no one heard of
Speaker 1: that either. Mm hmm. Softball is cool. Softball is cool,
Speaker 1: and softball I think does have fairly decent like viewership.
Speaker 1: College softball somewhat popular. You know what it is. It is.
Speaker 1: I've seen people watching it, but that interests be worlding up. Boy,
Speaker 1: they look like a hurricane with them pictures. Yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: I've never known the name of one though. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know one day that's fucked up. So they're just
Speaker 1: not that good enough to where I have to know
Speaker 1: their name, and they're probably come and go really quick.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a pro women's softball league of notes,
Speaker 1: So they just kind of go to college, good a
Speaker 1: degree and get a job. Tell everybody needs to play softball, Yeah,
Speaker 1: damn man. But he keeps developing, you know. Obviously they're
Speaker 1: not as big as their male stars outside of outside
Speaker 1: of Rhonda Rousey, but they do a good job developing
Speaker 1: they start. But you're right, it's the league itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they do do a very good job of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like and it is. It is interesting though,
Speaker 1: because like right now, I'm not exactly sure who the
Speaker 1: best UFC fighter in the world is right now today.
Speaker 1: You know, I can name a bunch of guys who
Speaker 1: have been good over the last decade, but I don't
Speaker 1: know who is the best today. It becomes like if
Speaker 1: you have secrets, what fifteen fights, maybe then they're about done.
Speaker 1: I don't see you guys fighting thirty five thirty forty fights. Yes,
Speaker 1: tough and then and I knew that helps them to
Speaker 1: some degree. The anonymity a little bit mm hmm. I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking, you ain't really much I could do, you know,
Speaker 1: my I only have one idea, what is it? It's
Speaker 1: the were or less idea don't don't, don't make it cheesy,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to for the w n b A,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to dress like volleyball and track athletes,
Speaker 1: so that help you should They ain't gonna fix the
Speaker 1: complete problem, no, but it'll but you don't think that
Speaker 1: would go again. Women trying to make progress with is weird,
Speaker 1: but for the same concept of like, oh, you're just
Speaker 1: selling sex and that's gonna turn young parents off and
Speaker 1: watching and letting their daughters watching. Look, women are full
Speaker 1: of ship anyway, and you know it, and I know it,
Speaker 1: and they fucking know it. Sure, but women don't want
Speaker 1: to sell sex until guess what, it's time to get
Speaker 1: some money. Then they're fine selling sex. Good looking out
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