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Speaker 2: this episode is dropping on December the twenty third, known

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Speaker 2: in some circles as Festivus, which means I needed to

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Speaker 2: bring on a guest who could help me air some grievances,

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Speaker 2: and for that I have invited on our good friend

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Speaker 2: Bill Connolly of ESPN, the author of a book titled

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Speaker 2: Forward Progress, which we'll get into here momentarily. Bill is

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Speaker 2: one of the most trusted voices in all of college football.

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Speaker 2: He understands it on an analytical level that few do.

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Speaker 2: He also is a fan of the sport and wants

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Speaker 2: So we're going to get into that and much much more.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk through what his expectations are

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Speaker 2: moving forward among some of the teams that are part

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Speaker 2: of this playoff, amongst some that aren't who he is

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Speaker 2: watching for in the transfer portal, coaches that he thinks

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Speaker 3: Just a bunch of stuff that I know is on

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Speaker 2: We have been doing this post mortem of sorts now

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Speaker 2: for the last couple of years running, so it's a

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Speaker 2: pleasure as always to bring Bill back on the show again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you as always for downloading, for listening, for subscribing

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Speaker 2: and supporting what Dan and I do here. Let's run

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Speaker 2: that interview. I'll catch you on the flip side.

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Speaker 3: All right, joining us now.

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Speaker 2: One of our best friends He's been on the show

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Speaker 2: a million times. We've done this show a couple years

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Speaker 2: running now where we bring them on at the end

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Speaker 2: sort of do a little bit of a post mortem

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Speaker 2: talk through what's going on in and around the world

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Speaker 2: of college football. Of course, he is the esteemed author

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Speaker 2: of Forward Progress, the definitive Guide to the Future of

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Speaker 2: college football. I could think of no one better to

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Speaker 2: bring on at this pivotal moment in college football that

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Speaker 2: our friend Bill Connolly from ESPN. Sir, welcome, How.

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Speaker 1: Are you pretty good? It's been a little while, it has.

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Speaker 3: It was not intentional, what you been up to anything like?

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Speaker 1: No, nothing, just just hang it out.

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Speaker 2: which of course is Festivus, and I thought maybe we

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Speaker 3: The tradition of Festivus begins with the airing of grievances.

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Speaker 2: So my grievance is about the G five playoff spot

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Speaker 2: and the conversation around it. Obviously, both Tulane and James

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Speaker 2: However, immediately the conversation shifted to throwing the baby out

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Speaker 4: But no, it's the rich kind of one. And therefore

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Speaker 3: What does that look like? Making it more equal?

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Speaker 4: That was the hardest part of writing Forward Progress, honestly,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to talk about stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Those are very doable solutions if there was a will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm not trying to be too much of

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Speaker 4: And I don't know, I mean, other than using whatever

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Speaker 2: You alluded to this a moment ago. It's your turn

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Speaker 4: Okay, and it's already we've beaten this, you know, horse

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Speaker 4: But so two years ago, when Floridas Day got screwed,

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Speaker 4: So whoever I left out there was a pretty good,

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Speaker 1: But if Alabama had.

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Speaker 4: Dropped one, then Notre Dame had that separated and they

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Speaker 1: I've always I never felt the need for a committee anyway.

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Speaker 4: Like, the only reason we hated the BCS formula was

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Speaker 1: They've proudly issued all of that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you're probably the guy to talk to

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Speaker 4: That was such a miserable experience for me. I hated

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've been in this business forever.

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Speaker 1: Bill.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad the sp plus is getting the notoriety on

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Speaker 1: We've both been doing this for a long time now, we.

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Speaker 3: Both have been doing this for too long.

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Speaker 2: You know your way around a spreadsheet, you know your

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Speaker 3: But in a world where.

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Speaker 2: They do Bill Connolly's model for determining who should get

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Speaker 4: Well, So, the last couple of weeks when I started

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Speaker 1: Barrier thing was going to be.

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Speaker 4: I did start because it was easiest for me to

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Speaker 1: I did. It was like eighty twenty.

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Speaker 4: used my resume SP plus and strength the record, and

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Speaker 4: then twenty percent pure strength, which was just s P

443
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 4: plus an FPI because I can easily pull all that

444
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 4: and I want to to do it just to kind

445
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 4: of see where the committee was differing from what the

446
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 4: from what a loose computer rating would say. Number one,

447
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 4: it had Oklahoma way out, which which like they kind

448
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 4: of got away because of all the distraction with Notre

449
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 4: Dame Miami. They got away with a kind of a

450
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 4: magic trick there where they did not look like a

451
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 4: playoff team either.

452
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: At all.

453
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 4: But they the committee decided they had to be ahead

454
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Speaker 4: of Alabama because of this one game they had almost

455
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 4: the lowest statistical likelihood of happening. Like, you know, Alabama

456
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 4: gets double the yardage and loses because of special teams

457
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 4: and turnovers or whatnot. That game decided like, oh use,

458
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 4: fate was sealed at that point, no matter how good

459
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Speaker 4: or bad they look from that point forward. And that's

460
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Speaker 4: again I hate that. You know, that's just not how

461
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 4: this should work. It is an artisonally handcrafted selection of teams,

462
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: not an actual ranking of one through twenty five. But anyway,

463
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: like Oklahoma was out, Alabama fell out after they got

464
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 4: their butts kicked in the SEC Championship, which didn't matter

465
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Speaker 4: at all, and Notre Dame in Miami, we're both in.

466
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 4: Vandy was on the borderline again then, and that just

467
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: made so much more sense to me, top to bottom.

468
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 4: I hate like it just worked. And I know, like

469
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Speaker 4: if they were to do this for real, you can't

470
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Speaker 4: have nothing but ESPN.

471
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Speaker 1: Products decide in it.

472
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Speaker 4: I know I like the ident of out of convenience,

473
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 4: but I also know that there are lots of other

474
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 4: power ratings out there that are very good at this point,

475
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Speaker 4: it's twenty twenty five, it's not nineteen ninety eight when

476
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 4: they were trying to figure this out the first time.

477
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Speaker 1: With the BCS, there.

478
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Speaker 4: Are lots of really good You could have a large

479
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: selection of the power ratings. Part resume ratings would be

480
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 4: a little trickier, but yeah, twenty ninety ten, just a

481
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: mix of the ratings where you can go back and

482
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Speaker 4: also see, like, here's how it would have looked in

483
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 4: years past, so we know what we're getting ourselves into.

484
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Speaker 4: Has to be a heavy mix of resume because otherwise,

485
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Speaker 4: like twenty twenty three, Washington is unbeaten and getting like

486
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Speaker 4: the five seed because computers kind of hated that team

487
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 4: because they want ever again by three or whatever. But

488
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 4: that that makes the most sense to me, and I'm

489
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 4: talking about all computers now. That was the big change

490
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 4: this year is previously I'm like, well, we need a

491
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Speaker 4: BCS ish polls and computers. No, humans are done. Humans

492
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Speaker 4: are out of the I don't want humans decide. I

493
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 4: wouldn't want myself to siding in the It's the.

494
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Speaker 3: Age of AI.

495
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 4: Computers with the algorithm has taken over in a lot

496
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Speaker 4: of horrible ways.

497
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Speaker 1: Well, here's one good way.

498
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Speaker 4: We can let the algorithms take over and just take

499
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Speaker 4: humans out of the picture, because, among other things, this

500
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Speaker 4: is something I realized a couple of days later. Notre

501
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 4: Dame opted out of a bowl immediately, pretty much because

502
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 4: it felt personal, like they were the butt of a

503
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: joke and a reality show. They were used as a

504
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: prop in a reality show, and they were manipulated, and

505
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 4: they finished their seats some thoughts and thinking they were

506
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Speaker 4: easily in, and then a bunch of humans in a

507
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: closed door room decided no, actually you're out, and it

508
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 4: felt personal, and they immediately opted out. Maybe they do anyway,

509
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 4: but if it's tesimal points and you're watching and you

510
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: see where you stand, and you know, like Alabama, you know,

511
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 4: Championship week, like nobody was playing who had played Miami.

512
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 4: The only team that was playing at all was Boise State,

513
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: who Notre Dame had crushed, and they won. It's a

514
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 4: technical Notre Dame's resumeation of like improved by a millimeter,

515
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: and you would have you'd just known where you stood,

516
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 4: and it wouldn't have felt personal, like you know what

517
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 4: the algorithm said, what the algorithm said, and that's not

518
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 4: going to make you happy. If you get left out,

519
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 4: but it's still not as personal. I think that would

520
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: be a good thing right about now too.

521
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Speaker 2: One more question on this, and then I want to

522
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: broaden the conversation beyond just the playoff, because we have

523
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: people who listened from all all all shapes and of

524
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: all shapes and sizes explained to me, and I mean,

525
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 2: I know generally how it works, but it feels to

526
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: me like there is some shroud of mystery over resume rankings.

527
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: So I think we all understand strength of schedule and

528
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: that metrics specific place in this conversation, but resume is

529
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: taking it to sort of another layer.

530
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, how does that work? How do you view resume ranking?

531
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Speaker 4: Resume is harder because it's pure. It's an art form.

532
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 4: Like with quality rankings. You know which which power rankings

533
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 4: are good because they predict games well and you can

534
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 4: you know there you you've got prediction tracker. I posted

535
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 4: spplus results online for like sixteen years now, so you

536
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: can you can follow along, you know how if those

537
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: if those metrics are clearing a certain bar or not,

538
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: that's easy. But resume, yeah, it is like strength the record.

539
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 4: What is it is like your wink percentage? When percentage

540
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 4: compared to what a top twenty five team would do

541
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 4: against your schedule, I think is I don't know specifically

542
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 4: how they go about calculating that, but I think that

543
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 4: was the idea. Mine mine includes I couldn't just do

544
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: a pure strength to schedule thing, and so mine includes

545
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: like scoring margin, like how would a top five team

546
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: have performed against your schedule?

547
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: Are you clearing that bar or not? You know, but

548
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: it is pure art form and that that is adlutly

549
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: a trickier thing. And that's why I think if they

550
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: went this route, you would have to have like, here's

551
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: how the last five years would have looked in all

552
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: these different measures, and then in the combination, and so

553
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: you can kind of tell what's going on, because yeah,

554
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: there is no accuracy with resumes. It's purely the beholder stuff,

555
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: and that's a lot harder.

556
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: The regular season is now in the rearview mirror. Yiss

557
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: key themes, key takeaways, key talking points. Now, as we

558
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: round the corner into twenty twenty six, what stood out

559
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: to you? What are some like bigger picture, higher level

560
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: things that are first and foremost for you.

561
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, the two coolest stories going on

562
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 4: right now, or it's really kind of one story with

563
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 4: two parts. Is you look at the quarterfinal teams. You

564
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: got Ohio State, You've got Oregon, You've got Georgia, You've

565
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: got blue chip recruiters who have won a lot of

566
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 4: games recently. Indiana is number one in the country. Texas

567
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 4: Tech is number four. Should have been number three, honestly,

568
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 4: but his number four in the country obviously, Texa Tech

569
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 4: George is going to be a dynamite game. They might

570
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 4: not win, Like, that's a really hard game. If Oregon

571
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 4: plays like they did in the first quarter on Saturday,

572
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: they're going to be just about anybody.

573
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: But the fact that they were able to like got

574
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: in my head.

575
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: I'm probably still picking Ohio State to win this thing.

576
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: I just I think they left more points on the

577
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 4: table against Indiana, and I just probably try and it

578
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 4: probably goes back to Blue Chips and blah blah blah two.

579
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: But that team that just ran circles around JMU, A

580
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: good JAMU team that shut down Louisville, Like that team

581
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: lost to Indiana at home by ten. Ohio State all

582
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: the Blue Chippers in the world, best receiver in the country,

583
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 4: best safety in the country, maybe the two best like

584
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: players at their position in the country, all the blue

585
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 4: chip talent in the world. Indiana beat them in Indianapolis.

586
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: It's a legit team.

587
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 4: It's not an underdog that wins close games and just

588
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 4: kind of looks their way into into whatever.

589
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: It's not twenty fifteen Iowa.

590
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: Go reaching the season the end of the season, are

591
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: almost reaching it unbeaten. It's a legit, awesome team that

592
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 4: deserves to be number one in the country right now.

593
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: And that's mind blowing that that could happen in two years.

594
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: I mean even last year they were obviously already a

595
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: top ten team, and you know the fact that the

596
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 4: quarterback only had one ACL finally caught up to them

597
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: in the playoff and like at the two play flip

598
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: with the love touchdown.

599
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: And that was that was bad.

600
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: But they legit were a top ten team and deserved

601
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 4: to be there. And for them to then take another

602
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: step like there is a new path to success and

603
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 4: that's awesome. Obviously they spent a good amount of money,

604
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: but like the fact that they were able to get

605
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: the guys that they brought in and make them better,

606
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: like Jmu's guys that came over with Signetty, like did

607
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 4: better with Indiana than they did with jmu is wild.

608
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: And of course the other half of that is the

609
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: fact that Texas Tech is also right there.

610
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: They're they're third in.

611
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: Sp plus and even while rising to third, they were

612
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: overachieving every game by fourteen points down the stretch. That

613
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 4: Arizona State game, I hate that that happened, but that

614
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: was the one game where you know, they couldn't Obviously

615
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: Morton was hurt, but they just couldn't like their defense,

616
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: you know, as you found some tricks and they still

617
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: had Levitt and they were still a decent team.

618
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: And that stinks.

619
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: But like you know, they are third, and they are

620
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: overachieving every single game they're going to have. There were

621
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: slight projected favorites over organ in the quarterfinals with us

622
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: P plus. So the fact that they were able to

623
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: do that their way, Oh, obviously we know Texas Tech.

624
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 4: They were pretty brazen and like, hey, we're just gonna

625
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: systems broken. We're gonna spend as much as we want,

626
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: and you know, if you want to fix the system,

627
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 4: because we're going to break it. We're going to win

628
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: the softball national title this year too. And we're just

629
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: gonna You know, that's I like that.

630
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: Disruptive force, even if you know it could go in

631
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: a pretty gross direction. I think it's it's in this moment.

632
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: It's very good that you have historic also ran the

633
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: losing this program in the history of college football until

634
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: earlier this year being number one and a and a

635
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: West Texas Outlaw team having a very solid shot of

636
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: making a run here too. I think that's awesome. You know,

637
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 4: that's really really good for the sport. Like the fact

638
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: that you can get around history, get around were recruiting

639
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: nothing but five stars and still build that level of

640
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 4: team I think is really good.

641
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: Okay, what I'm about to say, I will admit is

642
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: even hard for me to say, is is Texas Tech

643
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: the next Indiana or is Indiana the next Texas Tech?

644
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: Because these are two teams that, as you've described.

645
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: Here, have challenged the model in one way or another,

646
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: have obviously gotten very good, very quickly, in no small

647
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: part due to the transfer portal and being smart with

648
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: how they spend the money and all that. Clearly different situations,

649
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: but there is at least some degree of parallel between

650
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: those two programs right now.

651
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the parallel really is is that you know,

652
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: obviously we know how much that Tech spent in the portal.

653
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: They made that very clear.

654
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: But also, I mean, David Bailey was a slam and dunk,

655
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: but like Lee Hunter Journeyman like a dynamite in their system,

656
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: Romelo Height Journeyman dynamite in their system. Like there, it

657
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: really seems like they did the best job of like

658
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: the money is great, but they did the best job

659
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: of identifying here's the like, this player with this profile

660
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Speaker 4: is going to be perfect in our system, and then

661
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Speaker 4: having them show up and verify that. It feels like

662
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: they nailed that aspect of it, not just hey, let's

663
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: go get the ten biggest names in the portal. A

664
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: lot of those weren't big names and they turned out

665
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 4: to be Dynamite players and that's that's cool.

666
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: Like I like that, that's that a team is capable

667
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: of doing that.

668
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess technically, I think we have

669
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Speaker 4: to see how the story ends, because obviously Illin or

670
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: Indiana had is a year ahead of Tech, but also

671
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: they kind of face planted the first year in the

672
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: playoff and Tech might not, so we have to kind.

673
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: Of see how this situation ends. But it was kind of.

674
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was two similar journeys and you know, different

675
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: personalities leading those journeys, I guess, But it's been it's

676
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: been really, really impressive.

677
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't just about spending.

678
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: Money Indiana Texas Tech. Is there another school, maybe one

679
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: outside of the playoff conversation that you see rising quickly

680
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: ascending in a way that many of us have unexpected.

681
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: Is that team out there.

682
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: Well, Vanderbilts.

683
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: I need to see what Vanderbilt does without Pavia, because Pavia,

684
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: I like, he was so uniquely impressive. You know, their

685
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: offensive line I still don't think was very good this year.

686
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: It got a lot of credit for being good in

687
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 4: part because Pavia. It feels like, figured out a bunch

688
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: of new ways to escape the pocket that have never

689
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: been seen before in the sport. And just like you're

690
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: just a unique player in every regard. I know, they

691
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: got the five star freshmen and all that, so they

692
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: really might be building towards something, but I just got

693
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 4: to see it without this one magical little piece of

694
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: the equation. Still like they were clearly better this year,

695
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: like across the board, better even if they wouldn't have

696
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: been top ten is level without Pavia, Like that you know,

697
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: maybe they've kind of figured out a model too, and

698
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 4: it's the same model to a certain extent of like, yes,

699
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: spend a lot of money on transfers, but get the

700
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: right transfers who can make you better. And apparently just

701
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: hire Jerry kill because he makes everybody better. Yeah, that

702
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: seems to be a big part of it as well.

703
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, like they're they're really really interesting, even if

704
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 4: it's a reasonably similar model.

705
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Otherwise, I mean, honestly.

706
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: If we're talking about right rising quickly, James Madison is

707
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: still just an unbelievable story. They were in FCS four

708
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: years ago and they're legit good. They weren't good enough

709
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: to keep up with Organ and Oregon is you know,

710
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: seems to have that kind of curby smart edge of

711
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: I am offended to be on the field on the

712
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: field with you right now, and we are. I'm going

713
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: to bring my A plus game to show you whose boss.

714
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: But they still like the links to which they have

715
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: risen in a short amount of time is pretty incredible.

716
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: And obviously you know you're gonna lose players. You lose

717
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: your coach every two years. Apparently that's gonna be hard

718
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: to keep up. With the boys' State lost a lot

719
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: of coaches too, and just kept rising because they made

720
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: the right decisions. So still really curious how far James

721
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: Madison can rise even with all the forces trying to

722
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: tamp stories like that down.

723
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Speaker 3: Is there a coaching move.

724
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: We've had a lot of them, and there's still one

725
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: on the board with Michigan, And who knows what happens

726
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: if Kuy's go to the NFL whatever. I mean, we're

727
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: a long way from being out of this thing. But

728
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: at time of recording on Festivus, which fit to you

729
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: makes the most sense.

730
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 4: And I just this is this is great because now

731
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: I get to promote a piece I just put up

732
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: this morning where my editor saw me grading hires on

733
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 4: Twitter instead about how about you write that? And so

734
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: there's an actual grading coaching higher's piece that's gonna get

735
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: me yelled at today. Lane Kiffin's the best higher like

736
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: it was the best hiring, the best coach available, Like

737
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: that's fine. Everything that led up to that hire was gross.

738
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: You let me hold on, so let me let me

739
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: stop you right there. Yeah, because my big question about

740
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: Lane is is.

741
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: Is it worth all this to get Lane Kiffin?

742
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: And that's fair, especially with and this was something I

743
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: wrote in the Thing Too, is just that I was curious, like,

744
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: is hiring a proven winner the best strategy or is

745
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 4: it basically trying to find the next Dan Lanning and

746
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: spend an extra seven million dollars a year on players?

747
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the best approach.

748
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: And honestly that made me really like Kentucky's move with

749
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 4: will Stein among other things.

750
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, they they.

751
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: I realized, like, you know, a big name hire is

752
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 4: going to bring in more booster money in general, so

753
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: the numbers aren't exactly the same. But I was wondering

754
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 4: about that, Like when it looked like drink Wits might

755
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 4: I guess he's still linked to Michigan, but whatever, when

756
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 4: it looked like he might, you know, get pulled into

757
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: one of these jobs, That's that's where I was in

758
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: my head with Maszoo, was like, h try to hire

759
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: the next Landing, not the next you know, Kirby Smart

760
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 4: or whatever. And so a couple of schools went that, right,

761
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: A whole bunch of schools spent a whole bunch of

762
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: money on the on the proven winner, and we're just

763
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: proving the money is not real. This whole situation. But

764
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: to your question, Kiffin, he's just been so good over

765
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: the last nine years doing what he did with like

766
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: six double digit win seasons at Florida Atlantic and Old

767
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: Miss being able to build a playoff team that it's

768
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: always going to be a mark on his resume that

769
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: he left that playoff team when you know he's still

770
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: pretty young and this LSU job would have come open

771
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: again in like three years if he had just waited

772
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: and he decided to take it now, and that's always

773
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: going to be part of his story. But he's still

774
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 4: proven so much. No no hire is guaranteed to work,

775
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: and you can see if things start off kind of

776
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: bumpy and his quarterback gets hurt, they don't do pretty well.

777
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: Next year you might see the dark side of LSU

778
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 4: and the dark side of and things could get really gross.

779
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: But in terms of pure logic, like he was the

780
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: best coach on the board and the best school got him,

781
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 4: So I don't have a problem with that at all.

782
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: Is there a move that you look at as a

783
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: head scratcher? I just realized I didn'tnswer your original question.

784
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: I was going to talk about Eric Morris too, but.

785
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's let's let's talk about Eric Morris Okay,

786
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: and then get there.

787
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: There are two head scratchers, and I mean thirty highers

788
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 4: and only two that I didn't like. That's a good average.

789
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 4: It's yeah, you know, the logic's good with most of these.

790
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: But to Eric Morris, man, that's a perfect OHI Oklahoma

791
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 4: State fit right there. Like the Oklahoma State we got

792
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: to know at its best was lighting up scoreboards in

793
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: really really impressive ways. Eric Morris helped helped. I'm not

794
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: going to pretend like Patrick Mahomes didn't have Patrick Mahomes

795
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 4: in him all along, but he was Mahomes's quarterback coach.

796
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: But Mahomes was a high three star quarterback and became

797
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes. That's a pretty good little mark on the resume.

798
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 4: He finds cam Ward as an unrecruited option quarterback, brings

799
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 4: him to incarnate word. However, many years later he's the

800
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: number one pick. Drew Mestamaker walks on having not started

801
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: in high school and throws for four thousand yards in

802
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: his first season, Like there is not a better track

803
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 4: record for just pure Hey, I'm going to find a

804
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: cheap quarterback and turn him into a Heisman.

805
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: Cause he wanted He wanted Baker too, didn't he.

806
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: I think so, I'm pretty sure that was part of

807
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: the story, you know, a decade later, who knows, but

808
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: that was part of the lore too.

809
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like like that.

810
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: That seems perfect to me. We don't know if the

811
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 4: he'll ever be able to craft a defense that's good enough,

812
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: although I mean North Texas did improve in that regard

813
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: at least. But he went to incarnate Word and immediately

814
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: brought them success that they'd never seen before. Then he

815
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: goes to North Texas and bring immediately brings them success

816
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: they'd never seen before. Like what more can you ask

817
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: for at that point? So, yeah, that's my that's my

818
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: non Kiffin James Franklin level higher that I love.

819
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: Okay, that's so.

820
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: I mean what I like about the Eric morris Hire

821
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: And I think Dan and I talked about this a

822
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: little bit in passing on one of the public episodes

823
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: of Private episode I don't even remember at this point,

824
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: but I do like the fact that they hired a

825
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: guy who sort of seems to fit with the longstanding

826
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: ethos and the theme of the program. Yes, you know,

827
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: and I know we've had these conversations before when we

828
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: talk about Wisconsin, what Wisconsin was trying to build over

829
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: these last couple of years with Luke Fickle felt almost

830
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: antithetical to what they had been and what they had

831
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: been very successful with in years prior. And so we'll

832
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: see how it works at Oklahoma State. But at least

833
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: they are kind of staying true to themselves, which I

834
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: kind of.

835
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, and that's I mean, the fact that Scott

836
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: Frost didn't work and the fact that Luke Fickle didn't work,

837
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 4: Like when those when those hires were announced, like it

838
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: was just you know, unanimous, A plus is across the board,

839
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 4: so any higher can fail.

840
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: But man, it just makes so much sense and I

841
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: like it for that reason.

842
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 4: And honestly, that was you know, in my grades piece,

843
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: I didn't give jam you an amazing grade for hiring

844
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: billion Apier, which part of me like, that's a profect

845
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 4: tire in some way because what happened the last time

846
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 4: he was in the Sun Belt built a rocking ball

847
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: of a team in Louisiana, So that makes perfect sense.

848
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: It's just a we saw those sloppy Florida teams and

849
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: it's hard to get past that. And b they had

850
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: a formula of let's hire the best up and coming

851
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: over achiever in FCS. It's how they like, I think Houston,

852
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 4: I don't remember where Houston was. I think he qualified

853
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: as that. But then Signetti came from Elon, and then

854
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 4: Chesney came from Holy Cross, had holy Cross in the quarterfinals,

855
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: and so I just assumed they were going to hire

856
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: Kevin Cahill from Lee I honestly, and they strayed from

857
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: that formula, And that makes me a little bit nervous,

858
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: even though Napier makes sense otherwise. But I still gave

859
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: that a decent grade. The two grades, the two poor

860
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: grades in the entire piece. Number one, like, I feel

861
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: bad for Southern Myss because they made such a good

862
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: hire that they lost to Charles Hoff after one year,

863
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: and that's just a really tough place to be. But

864
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: Blake Anderson, like it, had one good season in his

865
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: last four years, and you tossed at Ark State and

866
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: Utah State had kind of shady circumstances are surrounding his firing.

867
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: Is that really the best you could do? Instead of

868
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 4: highering an up and comer who you don't necessarily know about.

869
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: We kind of know everything. We need to know about

870
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: Blake Anderson.

871
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: And it's kind of a super low ceiling, and I'm

872
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 4: not sure the floor is very high.

873
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: Didn't love that higher And the one that I've.

874
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: The number of Michigan State fans who have yelled at

875
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: me over the last few weeks, because I mean, how

876
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: can you hate Pat Fitzgerald. He's a proven winner, he's

877
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 4: an overachiever, Like he didn't overachieve at all over the

878
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: last four years he was on the job like that

879
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 4: that COVID season.

880
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: Obviously they went seven to two. That's great.

881
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: Lots of things happened in the COVID season that nobody

882
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: could repeat. Jamie Chadwell can attest to that. You know,

883
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: that was a weird circumstance. Great, then Mike Kankutz retires

884
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: and your defense completely falls apart. Your offense was never

885
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 4: good to begin with. Maybe he has all the right

886
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 4: touches to, you know, with player development and then to

887
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 4: physical underdog defense strategies and all that stuff.

888
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: Maybe he can still pull that off.

889
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: Why would you pay six million dollars a year to

890
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: find out he's never won a game in the NIL

891
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: era and he went fourteen and thirty even with the

892
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 4: seven and two seasons. He went fourteen and thirty one

893
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: over his last four years. If Michigan State had hired

894
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 4: him in twenty nineteen, they had fired him in twenty

895
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: twenty two, and they hired him like.

896
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: That blows my mind.

897
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 4: That he didn't have to go to like the American

898
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: Conference or something to get a job to prove he

899
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: could still do it. Michigan State just decided, Oh, I'm

900
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: sure he still can't. And that is the biggest risk

901
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: by far on the board. Even ignoring all the hazing stuff,

902
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: Like I know he was exonerated, it was not much

903
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: of an exoneration, Like he didn't know about any of

904
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: this going on is not much of an exoneration in

905
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 4: my eyes. But even ignoring all of that, the pure

906
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: on field performance was terrible for most of four years

907
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: three years ago, and they hired him anyway.

908
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: We know the guys you like, we know the guys

909
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: you don't. Who is squarely in the middle, Who to

910
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: you is the wildcard hire or wildcard hires?

911
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: Well among the b grades, that was a pretty big

912
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: pile of teams in this piece. I had Pete Cold

913
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: in there. Probably need to like maybe should bump him

914
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: up a little bit. He certainly passed test number one.

915
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: Obviously many more to come, but he certainly as the

916
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: first test.

917
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: That's good.

918
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: Tosh Lapoi California is really interesting to me because obviously,

919
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: when like when a guy's regarded as that kind of

920
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: a recruiter, like the upside's massive. But I feel like,

921
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 4: I feel like I am very heavy scrutiny on defensive

922
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: coordinator hires in general when they get bumped up and

923
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: I need to see their offensive coordinator hire. And I'm

924
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: always wary of the guys who when they just hire

925
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: a pro style guy and he I had the most

926
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 4: pro style guy imaginable, this young guy, Jordan Somerville from

927
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: former Oregon staffer, spent like the last four years with

928
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Bucks. Like the most pro style guy

929
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 4: you can imagine is who he wants to run his offense.

930
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: I don't want to ever trust the word pro style,

931
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 4: and so that's that could go either way for me.

932
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 4: But obviously, you know, getting JKS immediately on board to

933
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: come back like that was a good start for him.

934
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: I'm just a little little wary still of that situation.

935
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: That's kind of the perfect middle ground higher right there,

936
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: I see the upside, and I'm worried about the downside.

937
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: You know, Napier and Neil Brown.

938
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: Neil Brown, I guess it was another one where they

939
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: it was perfectly logical in every way for North Texas

940
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 4: to hire him, and also we saw what his last

941
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: team did. And also you had a very clear script

942
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: of just be the incarnate word of FBS, and they

943
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 4: went with the proven, steady, veteran guy instead. I didn't

944
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: love that, but I like Neil Brown, so it could

945
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 4: still work. But those are those are right, lots of

946
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 4: teams right in the middle and only a couple at

947
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 4: the bottom.

948
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: In looking back at the stat profiles and the write

949
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: ups that you did before the season, which teams to

950
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: you were the biggest head scratchers in terms of how

951
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: they missed? Obviously we were all wrong right with many

952
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: of these projections. I had Penn steak Clemson in the

953
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: National Championship. As luck would have it, they're playing in

954
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: the Pinstripe Bowl, So yeah, missed a little, got the

955
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: matchup right, but stakes were a bit off.

956
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: Minor details.

957
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: I feel like there were.

958
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: A disproportionate number of teams this year, in particular that

959
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: we did our previews, we thought we had a pretty

960
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: good sense of what they were going to be. It

961
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: didn't work out that way at all. As you look

962
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: back on what you put together and how you thought

963
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: of the season back in early August, which teams to

964
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: you remain the biggest head scratchers with how things went,

965
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 2: either for the better or for the worse.

966
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: So and it's funny I learned this year that when

967
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: we the preseason, our predictions and whatnot, it's not whether

968
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 4: you got it right, it's whether you were the closest

969
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: to the pen. Because I got a lot of credit

970
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 4: for being skeptical of Clemson. I thought there was still

971
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: going to be a top ten team or topteen team

972
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 4: at worst. So I was right about Clemson. I was

973
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: right about Tech because I didn't think they should be

974
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 4: preseason number one. Because if Art is anything less than

975
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: the best player in the country, you know, the fact

976
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 4: that his offensive line might actually stink seems like it

977
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: might be a big deal. And so, like I, I

978
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: understand how those teams, or I understand how Texas underachieved.

979
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: For sure, I understand how Penn State underachieved. That was

980
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: a I.

981
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 4: Can kind of understand how things played out. They wanted

982
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: to keep thinkings as vanilla as possible at the start

983
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: of the season instead of just trying.

984
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: To look good and play well.

985
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 4: And Aler kind of hit that Oregon game, having still

986
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 4: not really found the rhythm that were that they were

987
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: probably hoping he that we were needing to see to

988
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 4: think of them as a national title team. And then

989
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: they lose this game that they like. They they they

990
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: openly decided their season starts with Oregon. They lost the

991
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 4: game in a very predictable fashion. In a lot of ways,

992
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: offense just couldn't do what the offense needed to do

993
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 4: in Portree, Aller, just like the Notre Dame game last year,

994
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: It's due Aller, Tom, I'm gonna go win this game,

995
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: throws a pick.

996
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: Immediately Dan and I were in the stands. What I

997
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: said to him.

998
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 2: Ten fifteen minutes before that happened that we were due

999
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: and I was not rooting for that, obviously. I was

1000
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: decked out in all white, my Penn State stuff. But

1001
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: it just felt like, yeah, my gosh, we're gonna see

1002
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: this again and well and behold it's Dylan Thiena been

1003
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: getting the big pick that is the game and kind

1004
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: of puts the finishing touches on James Franklin at Penn State.

1005
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean the way that played out, he

1006
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 4: was still a shock to see them play the way

1007
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 4: they did against UCLA and Northwestern, But it kind of

1008
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: still makes sense. Like they had the big game, they

1009
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 4: lost it in a familiar fashion. They let go of the

1010
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 4: rope briefly, and then after you know, from that point forward,

1011
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 4: I assume this probably would have been the case if

1012
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: they hadn't fired Franklin. You know, they fall to like

1013
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 4: eighteenth and SP plus and then they basically play like

1014
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 4: the number eighteen team the rest of the season. You know,

1015
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 4: they almost beat Iowa, they almost beat Indiana. People were

1016
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: railing against the l S P plus sucks. They look

1017
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 4: at Penn State, that's a joke. Like, No, they played

1018
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 4: like exactly where as people had them. They met expectations

1019
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 4: or projections the rest of the season. So it was

1020
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 4: just this momentary collapse after putting all this weight on

1021
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 4: the organ game, and then they rallied and kind of

1022
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: played to their general talent. They weren't the team they

1023
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: were supposed to be, But I get that, and I

1024
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: get Texas. I still have no idea how Clemson happened,

1025
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 4: even being skeptical of them. Again, I thought skeptical meant

1026
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: top ten or fifteen. They're not going to win the

1027
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: national title. I never saw that team. But where are they?

1028
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 4: They're thirty second at SPPLUS and that's that's that they

1029
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 4: improved late because they just never looked a part on defense.

1030
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 4: They never looked a part on offense. Their offensive line

1031
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: seemed to regress even though they had experience. The injuries

1032
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 4: in the receiving corps absolutely didn't help. But if Clubnick

1033
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: was Klubnik still had good receivers available at any one time.

1034
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: Never looked. I thought we overreacted to how he looked

1035
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 4: last year. But he's still never even looked like last

1036
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 4: year's cave Clubnick. So that one is still a mystery

1037
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: to me. Like the fact that they didn't compete for

1038
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: the national title. Fine, I get, but they never looked

1039
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: like even a very good team this year. And I

1040
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: don't understand that at all.

1041
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: Which teams were better than most of the college football

1042
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: watching world will ever realize who was the most underrated

1043
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 2: in college football in twenty twenty five.

1044
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you can make a case for

1045
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: Indiana and Tech still when I put out spplus yesterday

1046
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 4: and Indiana is a projected thirteen point favorite over Alabama.

1047
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: People were shocked, like, have you of course they are.

1048
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 4: Of course they're double digit favorites. Have you seen these

1049
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 4: two teams play this year? So I still think we're

1050
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 4: kind of struggling with that. Utah is an interesting one.

1051
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: They weren't good enough to be Texas Tech. They lost

1052
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 4: a toss up game to BYU, but that offense was phenomenal.

1053
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 4: The fact that they were able to create an offense

1054
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: around Devin Dampier that was awesome on passing downs. Beck

1055
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,240
Speaker 4: is an awesome offensive coordinator. Really curious what his career

1056
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 4: path is moving forward. I haven't seen is if Scaley's

1057
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: going to keep him they I haven't checked that yet,

1058
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 4: but like, that was an incredible performance what they did

1059
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: this season, even if that Tech, even if that Tech

1060
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 4: game was they blinked in that moment and Tech just

1061
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 4: ran over them. They were other. I mean the hell,

1062
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 4: they're what tenth and sp plus Just an awesome team

1063
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 4: all around. I was surprised that Whittingham didn't give it

1064
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 4: one more go next year because they were really, really

1065
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 4: solid and they could have been solid again and that

1066
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 4: still might be, but that's one that I think kind

1067
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: of sneaked up on people, especially if the first time

1068
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 4: you paid attention to them was the Texas Tech game,

1069
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 4: right like, might not have noticed how much they absolutely

1070
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: maulled just about everybody else on their schedule.

1071
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 2: I've talked a lot about and this is probably a

1072
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: bit going a bit of field here, but I have

1073
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: been saying for as far back as I can remember

1074
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: now in the twenty twenty five season, that one of

1075
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: my favorite stories of Mississippi State, and.

1076
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: I'm curious to get your take on that.

1077
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: I know it's a very specific example that many listening

1078
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: to this will might not necessarily care about, but for me,

1079
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: it was a big deal that they had the lowest

1080
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: over under of any team in the SEC at three

1081
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: and a half, and they were just as we say

1082
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 2: on the show, they're plucky as hell, like they played

1083
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: whistle to whistle. They obviously didn't win all the games,

1084
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: but I thought coming from where they did, given the

1085
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: fact that they still had a murderer's roll of a

1086
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: schedule playing in the SEC, I liked what I saw

1087
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: out of them. Does that track with what you saw

1088
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: and what your stats saw?

1089
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 4: Out of Mississippi State until they at the end they

1090
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: ran out of gas at the end of the year.

1091
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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say, you know.

1092
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 4: Just looking at one of the things I like to

1093
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 4: keep track of because it does kind of hint at

1094
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 4: who's rising and falling and whatnot, is just you know,

1095
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: I have my little excel she with my green and

1096
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: red conditional format, and then you know, week to week

1097
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: who's very green in terms of how they're performing versus

1098
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: s P plus projections. They were a very consistent overachiever

1099
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 4: or either meeting or exceeding expectations for almost every game

1100
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: in the first like two thirds of the season got

1101
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: you know, the A and N game got away from them,

1102
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: but otherwise, yeah, almost beat Tennessee, almost beat Florida, almost

1103
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 4: beat Texas.

1104
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: Really really solid team there.

1105
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 4: But after they beat Arkansas, underachieved against Georgia, underachieved against Missouri,

1106
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: underachieved against Ole Miss. So they didn't finish strong. But

1107
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: they were lifeless last year. So yeah, the fact that

1108
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 4: they were able to with Lake Shapin, who was about

1109
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 4: the most like known quantity quarterback imaginable like he's going

1110
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 4: to give you exactly this and not a bit higher.

1111
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 4: They were able to figure out ways to move the

1112
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: ball really well. Defense couldn't keep up with that, but

1113
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: was still better than last year. And I think going

1114
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 4: ahead and make an a coordinator change was the right

1115
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 4: move there. But no, they were that was a horrible

1116
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 4: first year he had and they got off the mat

1117
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 4: at least even if they faded late.

1118
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: So this might be putting you a bit on the spot.

1119
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: But about ten minutes ago, speaking of coordinative changes, I

1120
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: am seeing here from our friends over at on three

1121
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: that Bill Belichick has hired a new offensive coordinator and

1122
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: his name is one Bobby Petrino.

1123
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 4: Well, I guess that clinches the Bill Belichick's getting fired

1124
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: after this year. That's that is the move you make

1125
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 4: before you get fired, and it's it is funny. It's

1126
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 4: a move that works but still gets you fired. So

1127
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 4: because I mean, that's like Arkansas had a great offense

1128
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 4: this year, best offense ever for a two and ten

1129
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: team or whatever they end up. But I man, that

1130
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways.

1131
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 4: He's still a pretty good offensive coordinator and those personalities

1132
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: make a lot of sense.

1133
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: Fair enough, The other thing that is now about to

1134
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: kick into high gear. It's already started as a transfer portal.

1135
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: We've seen some of these quarterbacks throw their name in

1136
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: the hat. I want to ask a Delan Roola. I've

1137
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: had spirited conversations with the ballers on both sides of

1138
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: the Riola spectrum. I figure you're a good person to

1139
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: talk to about this, given your focus on the numbers

1140
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: and your understanding of all these things. Is Dylan Ryol

1141
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: good question mark? He is pause long pause, Okay, that

1142
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: answers some.

1143
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: Of it, but please continue.

1144
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: He is well, this is a good word to use.

1145
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: He is solid. It was fine.

1146
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: He was the litmus test for what stat do you

1147
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 4: look at first with a quarterback? Because he comes out

1148
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: of the gate completed like eighty percent of his passes

1149
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: for like four yards of completion or whatever. It was

1150
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 4: like the past didn't go anywhere. But even in that

1151
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 4: first game, what were his numbers against Cincinnati? It was very,

1152
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: very high completion rate. And my initial reaction to that

1153
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: game was, I don't know, and Nebraska fans got so mad. Yeah,

1154
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 4: he's thirty three for two, huge for two hundred and

1155
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: forty three yards.

1156
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: That was That was what a lot of folks brought

1157
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: up to me. Whenever we had anything negative to say

1158
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: about Rola and Dan and I were probably on both

1159
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: ends of the spectrum with that one too, But it

1160
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: was look at his completion person kind accurate this guy is.

1161
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: But Dan has been very quick to say, but what

1162
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: what how is that actually translating into anything a parent?

1163
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, his only like.

1164
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 4: You know, after the Cincinnati game, he was putting legit

1165
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: numbers up for a while, but it was against Acrones,

1166
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: against Houston Christian.

1167
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: I guess he was decent against Michigan. Of course.

1168
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at his game to game stats here

1169
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 4: to make sure I don't forget something. But you know,

1170
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 4: then you know, in the games where he actually kind

1171
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 4: of makes some big passes, like Maryland, he also throws

1172
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 4: three picks.

1173
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: So it was a very mixed bag for Raola.

1174
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 4: Like obviously we see the potential and you know, the

1175
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 4: Mahomes like it's it's clearly he he just stuck nothing

1176
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 4: but Mahomes film for years, it seems like because every

1177
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 4: mannerism is like he's trying to be that. And honestly,

1178
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 4: when when NFL defenses started trying to take away big

1179
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 4: plays for Mahomes, he was completing in eighty percent of

1180
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 4: his passes at like eight yards of pop there for

1181
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 4: a little while, but no, it's in the right system.

1182
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 4: I think you can get solid things out of him.

1183
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 4: But I mean, if you're a top team, that is

1184
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 4: it's a really interesting transfer market this year where a

1185
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 4: whole bunch of teams want upgrades of quarterbacks, aren't gonna

1186
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: and are going to spend multiple millions of dollars on

1187
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 4: Rayola soresby a lot of guys who have clear upside

1188
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 4: and also a pretty hard ceiling.

1189
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: I think, is.

1190
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: There a guy we can focus on quarterbacks? Since that's

1191
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: going to be the main talking point as we go

1192
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: into the portal? Is there a guy to you that

1193
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: you are crazy curious about where he ends up because

1194
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: you think the ceiling is yet to be realized?

1195
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know, Like Josh Hoover is kind of interesting.

1196
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: I guess.

1197
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: You know it's Kenna Briles is kind of the ultimate

1198
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 4: solid offensive coordinator at this point, and so I can't

1199
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 4: tell if he was if he had hit his ceiling

1200
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: or not, but I mean he's he's accurately, he can

1201
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 4: run around a little bit. That one's gonna be kind

1202
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 4: of interesting to see. I have more faith in him

1203
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 4: than in him than in Royola or maybe sores be sorts,

1204
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 4: be so confusing, like I from game to game, I

1205
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 4: changed my mind completely. He's the Chelsea FC of transfer quarterbacks. Sorry,

1206
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 4: you know, sorry for the soccer reference, but you know,

1207
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 4: he's I feel like I kind of I don't have

1208
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 4: a lot of faith in them. I might still have

1209
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 4: faith in in Hoover taking an extra step otherwise, I mean,

1210
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: what is it?

1211
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: It's guys like Aaron Noland.

1212
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: Who or star recruits just haven't but have been stuck

1213
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: and we have no idea what they have to offer.

1214
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: Like that's kind of your two choices is very well

1215
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 4: defined veteran like Bo Pagula honestly, or guy who we

1216
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 4: just don't know anything about yet.

1217
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: Because you brought up the soccer. We talked about the

1218
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: soccer on the show, specifically with regard to the portal.

1219
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 3: We even called it the transfer market. Is I think

1220
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 3: you just did reflexively. Should there be some sort of setup?

1221
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: I guess back to our conversation earlier on where if

1222
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: you are poaching a guy from a max school, you

1223
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: should be required to pay some sort of sum like

1224
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: they do in the soccer transfer market.

1225
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that's one of those things that sounds great

1226
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: and also how the hell do you, like, I guess,

1227
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 4: stick it into the.

1228
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: Mythological collective bargaining.

1229
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 4: Agreement that we all think should happen, but nobody wants

1230
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 4: to talk about details for I mean, unless you stick

1231
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: it in there. I have no idea how that happens,

1232
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 4: but it is. You know, when you start paying attention

1233
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: to soccer long enough, you start to wonder if those

1234
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: transfer fees really help anything. Either, Like, obviously it helps

1235
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 4: you then go buy some other eighteen year old to

1236
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 4: replace the guy, but.

1237
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: Like a long term you don't really advance from. I

1238
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: don't know.

1239
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: I guess it still helps, like the Benfiicas of the

1240
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 4: world and whatnot, but like, it has its downsides as well,

1241
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: But it does kind of stink if you're James Madison

1242
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 4: or many many other programs, and your reward for having

1243
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 4: your act together is having to bring in twenty five

1244
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 4: new transfers or trust a redshirt freshman a lot faster

1245
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 4: than you would have had two fifteen years ago. Because

1246
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 4: schools that are doing well are continue doing well. Just

1247
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 4: look at FCS. I mean, I realize North Dakota State lost.

1248
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 4: They actually did a good job and not losing too

1249
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 4: many transfers, they still lost some transfers. That that Texas

1250
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: Tech safety is dynamite. They lost him and still fielded

1251
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 4: a phenomenal team. So like, if you have your act

1252
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: together program wise and culture wise and all that, you

1253
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 4: can survive this stuff. But it does feel like there's

1254
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: a little bit extra punishment for doing well.

1255
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: Right now, Bill, I'll get you out of here in

1256
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: a second, I promise. I just wanted to call out

1257
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: the non playoff bowl action, which maybe fits in differently

1258
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: now to the postseason than had prior to the twelve

1259
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: team field. But generally speaking, what is of interest to

1260
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: you in those bowl games? What are the storylines that

1261
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: you're following? Where are the points of intrigue there?

1262
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 4: It is we have returned all the way to like

1263
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties, where bowl games are simply rewards for

1264
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: solid season.

1265
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: They are exhibition games that are rewards.

1266
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 4: For solid seasons that don't mean a thing, which I mean,

1267
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 4: one thing you learn real fast is when players are

1268
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 4: just kind of out there to have fun.

1269
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: It's a fun game.

1270
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 3: It is.

1271
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 1: It's fun to way a.

1272
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 4: Lot of fun football being played It's like, you know,

1273
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 4: maybe a couple extra chick plays and you're willing to.

1274
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 4: You're not afraid of losing. Therefore you're having fun and

1275
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: being aggressive, and so the games are still fun. I

1276
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 4: think a lot of schools still get a lot out

1277
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 4: of them. But it is hard to It's hard to trust,

1278
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 4: you know, when I write a Bowl preview, like, man,

1279
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 4: I don't know who.

1280
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: Is going to be opting out of any of these games.

1281
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: I have no idea what teams are going to.

1282
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 4: Take the field, so I'm really just searching either for

1283
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 4: like a Diego Pavia versus Iowa situation where we get

1284
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 4: one last go round for the stars who stay and play.

1285
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 4: Those are always pretty cool. Honestly, the Missouri Virginia game

1286
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 4: got a lot more interesting to me when Pabula went

1287
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 4: ahead and entered the portal. Figured that was a I

1288
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 4: don't think I'm going to start next year, so I'm

1289
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 4: gonna go ahead and get ahead start. But that means

1290
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 4: Matt Zallars has a chance to completely define Missouri's transfer

1291
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 4: strategy by whether he looks good or not. If he

1292
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 4: looks good, maybe they just try to get a veteran

1293
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: back up Drew Pine type in the portal and then

1294
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 4: they have more money to spend on others.

1295
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: Drew Pine probably has like five years of eligibility least

1296
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: I never still get him.

1297
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, just go get Drew again. It works bad o

1298
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: you last year.

1299
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: But like, and if he looks terrible, then they'll probably

1300
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 4: have to go in pretty heavy on one of these

1301
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 4: these well defined low ceiling transfers I just talked about.

1302
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: But you know.

1303
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 4: That so that games where there are actually stakes of

1304
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: some sort, even if it doesn't like it's not a

1305
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 4: pure this team really needs to win kind of situation,

1306
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 4: those are still pretty interesting. But it does think especially

1307
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 4: for the mid major games like old domnu USF you like,

1308
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 4: that would have been a gray is still a pretty

1309
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 4: good fun game, but that would have been an incredible

1310
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 4: game in September when both teams had their starting quarterbacks

1311
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 4: who they no longer had win.

1312
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: The game actually happened.

1313
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 4: That that kind of stinks and just I'm I would

1314
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: immediately gravitor towards the game, like North Texas San Diego State.

1315
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 4: But as I know Messa makers probably entering the portal,

1316
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 4: he probably is not going to play it, or maybe

1317
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 4: it's official that he's not going to play, so that

1318
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 4: game kind of isn't as fun as it could have been.

1319
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 4: So it does kind of stink. You're it's it's good content,

1320
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 4: it's good entertainment, but you still you're not getting a

1321
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 4: last picture of a team like you would of however

1322
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 4: many years ago, and that is that is different.

1323
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: It's a different type of content.

1324
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: I was heartened at least by this, And I'm not

1325
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: much for TV ratings, but I did go back and

1326
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: look after the fact to see last year, what were

1327
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: those ratings like compared to previous years because of the

1328
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: playoff field, And at least the sentiment that I was

1329
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: picking up for some people that wrote into the show

1330
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: was that, well, you know, the bowl games don't mean

1331
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: as much now, right, Like why do we don't really

1332
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: care about those bowl games?

1333
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: But ratings were actually.

1334
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: Up, So if that's any indication, again, definitely not my lane,

1335
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: but I would hope that those games continue, and I

1336
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: know we're probably going to see fewer of them in

1337
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: the future, but I do think it still needs to

1338
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: be part of the college football postseason. It is a

1339
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: very important part of how we consume this sport and

1340
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 2: think about this sport.

1341
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 4: And what stinks is if we get rid of some,

1342
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: it'll be the mid major opportunities that go first, and

1343
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 4: they're the ones who get the most out of these

1344
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 4: damn games.

1345
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: Not the six and six SEC.

1346
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 4: Team that will always play in a bowl, but the

1347
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 4: seven and five major team that had to rally after

1348
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 4: you know, going one in three in conference and non

1349
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 4: conference player or whatever. You get probably the most out

1350
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 4: of this. And though that'll be the first ones on

1351
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 4: the chopping block, I do have a question. Actually, you

1352
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 4: know you have a you have a Notre Dame tie. Sorry,

1353
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 4: but my theory and I wrote about this in the spring,

1354
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 4: and I've been thinking about it more. Number One, with

1355
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 4: the whole formula thing that I was talking about, Uh

1356
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 4: you know where it feels less personal for Notre Dame

1357
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 4: that they missed out. Number one, with the formula, they

1358
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 4: wouldn't have missed out. But that's not the point.

1359
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: Let's say they they narrowly miss out. Anyway, My thought.

1360
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 4: With with with Bulls moving forward, we always talk about,

1361
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 4: like it's unanimous that quarterfinals should be home games. We

1362
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 4: should get you know, the Bulls have too much sway here,

1363
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 4: and the idea is they want to make sure that

1364
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 4: those major bowls are still major bowls and therefore they

1365
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 4: have to be part of this. I'm not going to

1366
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 4: remember who played in the Cotton Bowl a year from now, No,

1367
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 4: because it was a neutral side Dallas quarterfinal. But if

1368
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 4: the Cotton Bowl, if you took those four games, quarterfinals

1369
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 4: are now home games, and you take those four major

1370
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 4: bowls and you literally pair up the top eight teams

1371
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 4: that missed based purely on attractiveness of potential matchup. You

1372
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 4: get a weird one like Vanderbilt Arizona in the Sugar Bowl,

1373
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 4: but you'd get a Texas USC Rose Bowl, and you'd

1374
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 4: get a potential Actually, when I paired this up, I

1375
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 4: got I think it was Vandya Arizona in the Sugar Bowl,

1376
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 4: BYU Utah in the Cotton Bowl, Texas USC and the

1377
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 4: Rose Bowl, and Notre Dame Michigan in the Orange Bowl.

1378
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: Isn't that better? A? Isn't it better? And B?

1379
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 4: Does Notre Dame opt out if they're looking at a

1380
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 4: major potential bowl against Michigan and they haven't, they don't

1381
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 4: feel like they were personally screwed by a group of

1382
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 4: people and it was an algorithm that they merely missed

1383
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 4: out on. Do they still opt out or do is

1384
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 4: there a chance that they say, well that sucks, let's

1385
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 4: go be Michigan.

1386
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: I mean the way that they.

1387
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: Described how they opted out or why they opted out,

1388
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: they described it as a rug pull. And to your point,

1389
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: there's no way you can look at the way they

1390
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: acted afterwards and not think that there was some bit

1391
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: of personal animosity at play. So I would agree with that.

1392
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: And my hunch is that if the process were a

1393
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: little bit more transparent along the way, if they knew

1394
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: along the way that they were behind Miami, they might

1395
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: have reacted differently. But the way this thing played out,

1396
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: it gave them grounds to obviously go on this media

1397
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: blitz and play it out through the media.

1398
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 4: And I try to spend all their sympathy points immediately

1399
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 4: everybody has sympathy for them, and then.

1400
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: They immliately you try to get rid of that.

1401
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, exactly to the point, I don't think

1402
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: playing Michigan. I mean, obviously that would be a great matchup, right,

1403
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: and that matchup in and of itself has a lot

1404
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: of conversation around it. So I would be surprised if

1405
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: in this hypothetical universe, Notre Dame would want to miss

1406
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 2: out on that. But that being said, it was potentially

1407
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: a really good matchup against BYU that they missed out

1408
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: against it well, and I understand pop Tart Bowl that's

1409
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: not as sure point taken, but I just think the

1410
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: circumstances probably dictated it more than the matchup. My only

1411
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: concern with that. And by the way, I like the idea.

1412
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea. I'm definitely not in

1413
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: favor of having more neutral syche games. I think we

1414
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 2: should play as many of these on campuses as we can.

1415
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 2: The issue, though, was still with opt outs. The issue

1416
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: is still with if these games don't actually mean anything,

1417
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: and if the stakes aren't that high, then you're going

1418
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 2: to have teams that are performing or playing in these

1419
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: games and their performance is going to be dictated by

1420
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: basically a skeleton of.

1421
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 3: Their normal roster.

1422
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1423
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how you get around that.

1424
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeremi Love's not playing in this game, no matter what,

1425
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 4: not even if it's Michigan, even if it's whatever. Obviously

1426
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 4: he's out no matter what. But still like, you know, okay,

1427
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 4: we'll get your whatever. The next star they're trying to

1428
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 4: groom is like the third string or whatever. Here's your chance,

1429
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 4: here's your big star game. Go rush for one hundred

1430
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 4: and fifty yards against Michigan. There's still something to that.

1431
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 4: I don't mind the opt outs as much, even though

1432
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 4: it does, you know, you wish you could see one

1433
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 4: a player play one last time like that's still I

1434
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 4: can get around that. But yeah, getting around a team

1435
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 4: opting out is really hard. And that was didn't like

1436
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 4: and I can't even completely blame them. It did feel personal,

1437
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 4: I'm sure, but that that did stink.

1438
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you out of here on this.

1439
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: Speaking of bulls and different proposals, I think it was

1440
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: Rick Neuheisel who proposed that they should just qualify for

1441
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: a ball and then play that week one of the

1442
01:08:58,840 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: following season.

1443
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: We've talked.

1444
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 4: We dine a piece on group piece, like me and

1445
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 4: Hale and some others did a piece about that, like

1446
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 4: how do you fix the calendar? It's so weird, And

1447
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 4: that was one of the ideas to explore was basically,

1448
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 4: you know you start weeks, have week zero or week

1449
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 4: zero in week one, bunch of marquee matchups. I mean,

1450
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 4: lord knows, like old Dominion USF would have been at

1451
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 4: least a hair more interesting in Week one and next season,

1452
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 4: and then of course the big name ones too, you know, Texas, Michigan.

1453
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: You know that it makes sense.

1454
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 4: I still, you know, content is a dirty word, but

1455
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 4: I like the content. I like having December football to

1456
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 4: watch throughout the Christmas break and whatnot. So I do

1457
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 4: think bulls still serve a very clear purpose here, even

1458
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 4: if they're not the purpose that they were it was

1459
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago. So I'm not on board with it,

1460
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 4: but I get it, and there's at least some merit

1461
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 4: to the idea.

1462
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: Again, the title of the book is Forward Progress, The

1463
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 2: Definitive Guide to the Future of College Football. The big

1464
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: bolden line under that is a cinematic celebration of college

1465
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 2: football's exploding influence and a rigorous look at how and

1466
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 2: why the sport said it. Man, we totally knew. Once again,

1467
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: what does that mean? What is this book about? What

1468
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: is the what is the general vibe of what you're

1469
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: going for here? And why should people buy it?

1470
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, I mean because it's a good book, obviously, I mean.

1471
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 4: Well, sure, I mean clearly, no, and it really you

1472
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 4: know it was Writing about current events is really hard

1473
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 4: because you know, the world changes by the time the

1474
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 4: book comes out, But I like, you know, it was

1475
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 4: kind of scrolling back through it the other day, and

1476
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it still really holds up.

1477
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 4: It's it's it was with so much change. Number one,

1478
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 4: I felt like, you know, we were treating changed as

1479
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 4: like a monolith, like this one thing that is changing

1480
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 4: the sport, when it's like thirty eight different things, and

1481
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 4: being able to step back and kind of approach history

1482
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 4: of conference realignment, history of television's relationship with the sport,

1483
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 4: history of this, history of that, arguing about a playoff,

1484
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 4: why we don't have a commissioner, all these things, and

1485
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 4: then just trying as hard as I could to spend

1486
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 4: something forward.

1487
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: That's the hardest thing to do.

1488
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 4: Like, definitive Guide to the Future college football is a

1489
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 4: bunch of crap.

1490
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to rewrite it in like eight months, right, well, right, and.

1491
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 4: Just there's nothing definitive. We know where things stand right now.

1492
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 4: And if you are worried about things, like you know,

1493
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 4: we're eliminating all future poise states that stinks a lot

1494
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 4: of there's a lot of reason to worry about that

1495
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 4: aspect about alienating fans and whatnot. But paying players is

1496
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 4: still awesome and doesn't have to have been a bad

1497
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 4: thing at all. That's kind of part of the reason

1498
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 4: Indiana is suddenly the number one team in the country. Like,

1499
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 4: some of the changes have been really really good for

1500
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 4: the sport, I think, and could still be good moving

1501
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 4: forward if we clear out the bad stuff. But you know,

1502
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 4: just being able to isolate each one of these and

1503
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 4: get a little weird towards the end, me and Jason

1504
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 4: Kirk going on a ten page rant about why the

1505
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 4: SEC should expand to one hundred and forty teams, that

1506
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 4: kind of thing that was, you know. I tried to

1507
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 4: bring some fun to it as well, and I think

1508
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 4: it was a very me book. So that's If you

1509
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 4: like me, you'll like the book. If you don't like me,

1510
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 4: you probably won't.

1511
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: But that's fine.

1512
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: Well, we like you.

1513
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 2: You are always welcome here, Bill. I have great respect

1514
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 2: Dan does too for the work that you do. Thank

1515
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: you for making us all smarter, and we'll have to

1516
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: do this again very soon.

1517
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good?

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Speaker 3: All right, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Bill CONNOLLYESPN dot com the author of the book Forward Progress,

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Speaker 2: The Definitive Guide to the Future of College Football. I've

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Speaker 2: got that link down in the description. If you're able,

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Speaker 2: please consider picking it up to support Bill's work. He is,

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Speaker 2: as you know, one of our longest running friends in

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Speaker 2: this space, just a guy that we turned to time

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Speaker 2: and again to get his opinion on things. Man, I

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Speaker 2: would pay good money to see him debate some of

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Speaker 2: the other voices in this G five CFP conversation that

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Speaker 2: has raged on line over the last couple of months

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Speaker 2: and weeks. I think he would stuff a lot of

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Speaker 2: them at a locker. But that's just me speaking from

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Speaker 2: my perspective. You know where I stand on it. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: would welcome many other viewpoints out there to write in

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Speaker 2: soliverbo at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're here for. We read it all, we

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Speaker 3: can't respond to.

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Speaker 2: It all, but we appreciate your support nonetheless, and obviously

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Speaker 2: appreciate all the time that Bill gave me here today.

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Speaker 2: As I said at the top, Dan will be back

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Speaker 2: with me on Sunday. We're going to preview the next

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Speaker 2: round of the college football Playoff, the four quarterfinal games,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, are absolute bangers. On New Year's

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Speaker 2: Eve and New Year's Day, we're going to talk through

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Speaker 2: all of that. We won't be putting out a show

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Speaker 2: on Christmas Day. No one's going to download it.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing this long enough to know.

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Speaker 2: People just don't download on holidays, so we're not going

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Speaker 2: to do that. We're going to take a few days

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Speaker 2: off here to catch our breath. Next episode drops on

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Speaker 2: Sunday as we round the bend into college football playoff

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Speaker 2: quarterfinal action. If you've made it this far, please consider

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Speaker 2: to get access and find out what that is all about.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, thank you again as always for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: Thank you as always for your ongoing support.

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Speaker 3: We'll catch you all on Sunday. In the meantime, stay solid.