1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,039 Speaker 1: Welcome inside with the Insiders. I am I and Rappaport. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: This is Judy Battista right over there joining us. Welcome 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: to a podcast version of what is usually a television 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: show and a bunch of other platforms. But today is Monday. 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: That means you get the podcast and it is a 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: busy day. It's going to be a busy show. We've 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: got Steve Weis joining us, we got Mark Ross joining us, 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: if Sarah Walsh joining us, who is just in London 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: for what was a game? As far as games go, 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: that was for sure one of them. But first we 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: want to start with the breaking news that we had 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: just minutes before this showing on the Tennessee Titans have 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: fired coach Brian Callahan. One in five start, four and 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: nineteen under Callahan. I think that size says it all. 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Judy yikes, Well, let's start with every in Tennessee has 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: to be about cam Ward's development, and I think the 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: last few weeks in particular have been yesterday it was 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 2: hard to watch. I mean, the offense is the worst 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: in the league. I think they're second to last and 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: scoring and you're not seeing progress. And so you know, 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: if you're if you're the Tennessee Titans, brass. You have 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: to you have to be thinking like do we have 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: confidence that this is the person we want to develop, 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: you know, the number one overall pick. It's everything has 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: to be about cam Ward and his future and his development. 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: Having said that, you know, I mean Brian Callahan, the 27 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: quarterbacks he's had to work with were Will Levis, Mason 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: Rudolphin now a rookie who's just getting his feet wet 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: in the NFL. 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: It's it's hard to win a lot of games under 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: those conditions. 32 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: And they have had a ton of turnover in Tennessee 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: as far as the brain trust. 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 3: In less than two years. 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: I mean, they have fired to general managers, fired two 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: head coaches. It's pretty ironic that Mike Rabel is the 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: next head coach they're going to be facing coming up here. 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: So I guess, just well, actually, do you think do 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: you think the timing I've been trying to understand the time. Look, 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the timing is bad. It's always bad. Hearing 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: Jeff Simmons come out and say it was a bad 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: week of practice. I was that put my intent up 43 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: this morning and be like all right, Like that's a 44 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: guy that ownership listens to. Do you think the Rabel 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: timing affected the Callahan timing? 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. 47 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: I mean, if you are concerned that you're going to 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: get embarrassed by the coach you fired, which is entirely 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 2: possible because the Patriots are on this kind of trajectory 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 2: right now, and so is Drake May going like this rapidly. 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it's entirely possible they get embarrassed. Does that 52 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: prompt the action and you're hoping that the switch head 53 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: coach gives your team a little spark and lights a fire? 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it's just. 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: I mean, poor cam Ward, you know, like I just 56 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: keep remembering like Peyton Manning talking about how important continuity 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: in the offense and the offensive play caller was to 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: his development into. 59 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: His entire career. 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: And cam Ward's like, you know, like less than two 61 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: months into his NFL career and he's already going to 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: be on his second play caller, his second offensive guru. 63 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: It's it's rough for him. There's no good time for 64 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: any of this. But again, if the feeling in the 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: building among the brass was do we trust him to 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: develop cam Ward? Then you've got to make the change, 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: and I would agree with you when Jeffrey Simmons comes 68 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: out and basically says, you know, we're not. 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: Prepared for the game. Woof. 70 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: That's that is something that will catch ownership's attention quickly. 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: That's alarming, you know. And I wouldn't be surprised there 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: are more changed. I mean, Bill Callahan is still on 73 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: the staff. Sure, hard to imagine he remains. Nicholes the 74 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is childhood for kind of Brian Callahan. Hard 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: to imagine he stays. So like, you know, wholesale changes 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I think would make sense. Look, the reality is with 77 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: with Mike Borganzi and with Chad Brinker, the two respected 78 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: personnel guys, cam Ward as the former number one overall pick. 79 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: You know, look, they're going to be building. They need 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: better talent. This is a desirable job. They get first 81 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: crack at it. You know, we'll see at the end 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: of it, but this is a desirable job. But you know, 83 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: and there is precedent for a former top quarterback to 84 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: struggle mightily his first year and come in with a 85 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: really good coaches second year and hit the ground running 86 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: and do well. I know this because the Patriots are 87 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: playing the Titans next week and they are literally doing 88 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: the same thing. So we'll see which way this goes. 89 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: But you know, certainly for Tennessee, it was a matter 90 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: of when and not if, and the when decided to 91 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: be now, which is, you. 92 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: Know, we've talked about this before. 93 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: When coaches get fired in season in the NFL, We're like, 94 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: it's such a short season, does it really make a difference. 95 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: It's not like firing a coach in baseball, where you 96 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: have one hundred and sixty two games, and so firing 97 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: the manager maybe. 98 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: Changes the course of the season. 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: Except there's also the counter argument in the NFL is 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: once you've lost confidence in the coach, and once you're 101 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: not sure he's the guy who can take you into 102 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: the future, then just end it. It's better the country 103 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: losses now and get a start on evaluating everything, evaluating 104 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: the staff, evaluating the roster, and evaluating the field of 105 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: candidates you're going to have, Like, there's just. 106 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: No point in continuing. 107 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: If you know you're going to fire him at some 108 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: point after the season, then just save everybody the trouble, 109 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 2: end it now and get started on your search. 110 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: I also hate to say like this because this is 111 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: not you know, not what you want at all, But 112 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you look at some of the good teams. Now, 113 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how good the Texans are, 114 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: but I think they will eventually be good. They actually 115 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: had a they actually had a similar trajectory. I mean 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: they were bad, fired a coach, drafted quarterback early, bad again, 117 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: loaded up on draft picks. You never want to be bad, 118 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: but you know, if you're gonna be bad, then you 119 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: might as well load up on draft picks. And that's 120 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: exactly what the Titans are looking at, being bad. Gonna 121 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: probably get another top draft pick this year, and this 122 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: is how you eventually be not bad. I see some 123 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: friends pop into the screen, so I guess it's time 124 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: to bring in Steve Wis and Mark Ross. You guys 125 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: have been listening to our expert analysis on this. I 126 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe not so surprising firing Mark. I want 127 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: to start with you. You've been in these buildings before, 128 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: You've been part of these decisions. I assume you're not surprised. 129 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: What was your take on today's move? 130 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, not surprised at all. It was just a matter 131 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: of when, not if. With you know you're gonna if 132 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: you struggle, but at least show signs of life. And 133 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: I think you y'all have laid it out like the 134 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: team just looked terrible. You know, there was no hope. 135 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: That didn't look like Cam was getting better, looked like 136 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: he was getting work worse. When you have a veteran 137 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: like Jeffrey Simmons publicly saying that, I mean I always 138 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: joked about what all his teams losing, like we had 139 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: a great week of practice, but we lost. I've never 140 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: heard of player it say, actually our week of practice was. 141 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Bad, and especially that player who like they really listened. 142 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: To Yeah, correct, you're correct, not some rookie or something. 143 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 4: I mean, this is your guy. So all that was 144 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: leading to the owners of course and those oders in Tennessee. 145 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: She's very involved and like this this is bad. We 146 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: have to do something different. And then also when I 147 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: saw some of his interviews with the media over the 148 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 4: past few weeks and how he was just so combative. 149 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: You've seen that kind of story play out before with 150 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: the Joe Judge. Let's just say, you ys go with 151 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 4: the Giants like it looked like things are going well, 152 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden you start getting combative with yeah, 153 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 4: you know that. Oh boy, this is about it. Well, Mark, let's. 154 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 5: Look at the bigger picture for the Titans. Right what's 155 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 5: happening next year. They're opening up this brand new stadium. 156 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 5: They're hoping, they were hoping that this first round quarterback, 157 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 5: this number is going to generate some positive momentum and 158 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 5: positive energy going into what happens when you do that, 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 5: and it's been a train wreck. 160 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: It's been an absolute disaster. 161 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 5: Now, let's look at a place like Washington, right which 162 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: was even more of an organizational disaster to what Tennessee is. 163 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 5: Right now, they get the right head coach, the right 164 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 5: front office, a rookie quarterback. 165 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: Boom. 166 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: Look at how good things have gone, Judy, you mentioned 167 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 5: Drake May and Mike Frabel, their former head coach goes 168 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 5: up to an organization that. 169 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 4: Was a disaster last year. 170 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 5: Their quarterback's playing great, they're in playoff contention, they're seeing 171 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 5: all of this stuff happen around them, and right now 172 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 5: they're stuck in quicksand they are awful. 173 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: Ian. 174 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 5: I think everything you said about Jeffrey Simmons coming out 175 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 5: and then we had a terrible week of practice isn't good. 176 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 5: Cam Ward A rookie talks about excuse my friends, and 177 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 5: I don't if we can say on the pocket. 178 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 4: We asked what are we doing? 179 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 5: I mean, it's terrible when you've got a rookie saying this, 180 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 5: this is all he knows of the NFL, and it's terrible. 181 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: This is a guy who came from Incarnate word right, 182 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 5: worked his way up to Miami. So he's been through 183 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 5: all the steps of what's good and bad, and so 184 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 5: he's seen this. So nothing is working in this organization. 185 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 5: I think they need to take a step back. 186 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: And really. 187 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 5: Again, maybe just blow the whole thing up and bringing 188 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 5: a GM and head coach at the same time. Because again, 189 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 5: Ian here, it's a desirable job, it's a great market, 190 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 5: they're opening a new stadium. The owner, Amy Adams Trunk, 191 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 5: seems like she's she's someone you'd want to work for. 192 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 5: But the roster, what is it? I mean, where's there's 193 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 5: no youth development, there's no veteran lead like, what is 194 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 5: it like? There's a whole lot of steps that need 195 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 5: to be conquered before they turn this thing around. 196 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: Was going to back and jump in just on the 197 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 4: point you talked about you you never want to see 198 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 4: biple get fired. But you blowing it up and having 199 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 4: a GM and the head coach with the same vision 200 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 4: coming in together like Washington did. Washington had new ownership, 201 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 4: a new GM, and a new head coach, like, all right, 202 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 4: we're doing this together the vision, whether it's going to 203 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 4: be right or wrong, we're doing it together. What you've 204 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 4: seen in Tennessee is what first first shooter drop was 205 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: John Robinson? Okay? Then the head coach gets fired Vrabel okay. 206 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: Now Ran Carthon gets fired, and now head coach gets 207 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 4: fired again. So if this pick is wrong again, is 208 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 4: the GM going to get fired now? And then the 209 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 4: so where they going to get off this hamster wheel 210 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: of Okay, one or the other is going to get 211 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 4: fired as opposed to, Hey, we're all in this together. 212 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 4: This is our shared vision. Whether it works or not, 213 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: I think at some point you have to do that. Yeah. 214 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 2: And this though, if I could just send this, if 215 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: you look at the New England example, right, they did 216 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: not really change the front office. They they kept the 217 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: front office intact. They hired the right coach right now. 218 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: Last year they had the wrong coach and things were bad. 219 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: They got the right coach, and you're seeing the development 220 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: of the quarterback. Like, so, if you are the Tennessee 221 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: Titans brass, you're looking at the Patriots and saying, do 222 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: you see how one right decision can turn the entire 223 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: thing and turn it quickly? 224 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 3: Right? I mean, Drake Maye, we saw glimmers of this, 225 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: but I mean now, I mean. 226 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's high. He's a top ten quarterback already. 227 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: Because you got you hired the right head coach. 228 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: That is the key. I mean, they they got to 229 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: get it right, that's I mean, yeah, they have to 230 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: make it right. Can they get it right? 231 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 4: Right? I think that's unique with the Rabel situation because 232 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 4: although they didn't come in with la Well, he's a Patriot, 233 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: so he came into you know, that's really they were 234 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 4: almost tied because he was that and he had proven 235 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 4: he look, I'm a winner, I can go do this. 236 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 4: I've proven how I'm one of the top coaches in 237 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: the league, and I'm a Patriot as well. So to me, 238 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: that almost felt like it was, hey, this is the 239 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 4: right fit for everyone. 240 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, Steve, I know you got to leave final thoughts 241 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: on where the Tennessee Titans go from here before we 242 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: say goodbout to you, well, I mean. 243 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 5: Look, I think they need to find somebody who's accomplished, 244 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 5: you know, with with some skins on the wall. I 245 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 5: don't know any names right now, I could necessarily pull 246 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 5: out of a hat. 247 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: You're probably gonna hear some crazy random ones. 248 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 5: You might hear like con Eddie George right, who's at 249 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 5: Bowling Green, who played there. 250 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: He'll probably get an interview. 251 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 5: I would think maybe they bring him in just to 252 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 5: get his opinion because he knows organizationally. But I think 253 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 5: they've got to get somebody accomplished. Again, you're walking into 254 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 5: a new building, so there's going to be tremendous distraction 255 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 5: when you open up a new stadium and you've got 256 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 5: all this going, and you've got to have somebody who 257 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 5: can absorb it, right while also having a coach who 258 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 5: can get some good coordinators. I mean, Vrabel got Josh 259 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 5: McDaniels to go there, right, You've got to get good coordinators, 260 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: you know. Dan Quinn got Cliff Kingsbury to go there. 261 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 5: Cliff Kingsbury's going to be a name that I would 262 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 5: think that they would absolutely look at to see what 263 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 5: he did with Jayden Daniels, to see if maybe he 264 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 5: can do it with cam Ward, So I would think 265 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 5: he's somebody just kind of off the cuff who would 266 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 5: immediately be on the short list. I would think it'd 267 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 5: be an offensive minded head coach as well. 268 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: How about Arthur Smith in the Tennessee Building, former head coach, 269 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: been through it didn't have a quarterback, I mean the 270 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: quarterback he had now is I think he's out of 271 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: the league. 272 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: I don't know, but I. 273 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: Mean that would be one to consider. All right, Steve 274 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: go away, Mark good night. We'll talk to you in 275 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: a little bit. Guys, thank you very much for breaking 276 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: this down. 277 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: Good stuff. I like this. 278 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: They just pop right out of there, all right. So yeah, 279 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: so Arthur Smith will be the first name I would match, Judy. 280 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: I want to get to some of the injuries. We 281 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: had a couple of big ones this week. Fred Warner, 282 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: the All Pro, the superstar linebacker for the forty nine ers, 283 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: ankle dislocated and fractured. They've been through a lot, they 284 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: really have. This one hurts. 285 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: Uh. 286 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: So I was watching that game yesterday when it happened, 287 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: and I just thought, like, how much more can this 288 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: team bear like they? Kyle Shanahan is a wizard that 289 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: he can keep things going and piece things together when 290 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 2: you're losing these but you've now lost your two best 291 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: not even two best defensive players. 292 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: Your two best players are done for the year. And 293 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: this guy is. 294 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: The heart of the team, right, I mean, he's he's 295 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: just one of the best players in the entire league. 296 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: And to lose him and Nick. 297 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: Bosa, I just wonder how much more that team can bear. 298 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: Even though you know they're going to get rock Birdie back. 299 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: You know you're you're you have offensive talent, but man, 300 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: they this feels like year after year that they just 301 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: absorbed body blow after body blow on the injury front, 302 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: and this just feels like it's it's going to be 303 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: hard to recover from this one. 304 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't you know, I don't know why. 305 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: I assume they're looking at it, but that's just just randomness. 306 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: But I mean, they got a lot of good players, 307 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of them have been injured. Puka Naku 308 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: is another one. Sprained ankle. Sounds like his status is 309 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: in doubt for this Sunday against the Jaguars. Then they 310 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: have the buys. He's not going to miss I wouldn't 311 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: expect him to miss time after the bye, but at 312 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: least I would say, potentially one game for the Rams. 313 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: How big of a deal is this? 314 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, look, he's one of the best receivers 315 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: in the league, first of all. I would just say 316 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: that when I saw this and I saw him grimacing 317 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: and grabbing the ankle, I thought it was going to 318 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: be much worse than sort of like a day to 319 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: day kind of thing. I thought, Oh, God, listen. I mean, 320 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: they have other weapons, and they obviously have a superior 321 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: quarterback and a very smart offensive mind running the team, 322 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: so they can piece it together. But I mean, there's 323 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: no reason to rush him back. As important as he is. 324 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: This is a team that has very real postseason aspirations, 325 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: deep postseason as inspirations. You've got to have Poka Nakua 326 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: ready to go for the long. 327 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: Haul, all right. A couple other quick ones. Marvin Harrison 328 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: Junior suffered a concussion so potentially he could miss this week, 329 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: and then a Mecca Buka, one of the best young 330 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL hamstring injury probably going to miss 331 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: some time. Doesn't seem to me to be so serious, 332 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: but more information on that Tuesday. Meanwhile, the Bucks just 333 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: keep winning. 334 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: I feel like it's Jason Lake just that rolling out though. 335 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: Let me just find another wide receiver. 336 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: I mean they were down their four top pass catch 337 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: catchers yesterday. 338 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: I know we're going to talk more about this game later, 339 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: but like it's just insane and they're completing, you know, 340 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: long passes to rookies. At some point this offense will 341 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: be intact and all of the receivers will be together 342 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: on the field at the same time for Baker Mayfield 343 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: and then watch out because Baker is an MVP candidate, 344 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: maybe the leading MVP candidate, and he still hasn't had 345 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: a wide receiver for intact. 346 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders podcast and said goodbye to 347 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: Steve bounced him. Mark Rossco's still with us. We saw 348 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: a good one on Sunday night, Lions Chiefs, and you know, 349 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: I would say if we were all wondering whether or 350 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: not the Chiefs were done, which I don't know that 351 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: anybody really thought the Chiefs were done, but if we 352 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: were wondering, I think we got a pretty resounding statement 353 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: last night. Travis Kelcey's not done. He had a great game. 354 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: As Apachecko's not done. He's running dudes over As you're 355 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: seeing right there he had a big game, and neither 356 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: is Mahomes a pretty strong defense of where the Chiefs are. 357 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: And look, from my understanding, guys, the Chiefs wanted to 358 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: just be swimming, be level, be fine until Rashi Rice 359 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: came back. They're three and three and they are currently fine. 360 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: So they beat the lines thirty seventeen. That a lot 361 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: to get to here, especially what happened after. But I'll 362 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: start with you, Judy. Main takeaways from the Chiefs pretty 363 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: dominating win over the Lions. 364 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 2: Well, actually, I thought Dan Campbell summed it up well 365 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: like that they had to watch. I mean, the Chiefs 366 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: were taken a knee right like they were in victory formation. 367 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: Could you ever have imagined that game sort of being 368 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: out of reach? That's how good the Chiefs were. 369 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: I don't think. 370 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you would have been foolish to write the 371 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: Chiefs off, even the way they were struggling early in 372 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: the season, because you knew that players were missing and 373 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: that as those players would come back, they would be 374 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: whole again. Well, as you said, all they cared about 375 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: was that their head was above water until they were intact. Well, 376 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: their head is above water, They're going to be intact, 377 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 2: and you saw they are healthy. 378 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: Mahomes is Mahomes. 379 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: Mahomes was playing great anyway, even with diminished weapons, and 380 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: now he's gonna have weapons, and Kelsey's healthy, He's doing okay. 381 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: So they are in an awfully good spot. 382 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I look at this and think, like, I 383 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: think they're. 384 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: Gonna win the division again, right like after I saw 385 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: what they did last night to the Lions, who until 386 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: that point, I thought mavel Lions might be the best 387 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: team in the league right now, and he just you know, 388 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: they sort of blew the Lions off the field at 389 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: the end of the game there, and I'm like, yeah, 390 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: it's the Chiefs. 391 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 392 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. It's almost as if, you know, they played that 393 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 4: Baltimore and it unlocked everything for him, Like he just 394 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 4: pulled it all out against Baltimore, blew them out, and 395 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 4: now they're at like, Okay, we were just messing around 396 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks, and now let's just go 397 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 4: play and start calling, you know, getting it getting all 398 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 4: our playmakers evolved, and Mahomes is mixing it up and 399 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: he's not running. You know, Kareem Hunt looks better, but 400 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: Checko looks better. Now I haven't seen Hollywood Brown play 401 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 4: this good in forever. So it's almost as if their 402 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: whole level got raised after that Baltimore game, and and 403 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 4: they're just cooking now. And as you mentioned, they'll get 404 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 4: even better with with Rashid Rice coming back and of 405 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 4: course Bags and the d You know, I think they 406 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: kind of got lost in last night how well they played, 407 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: especially with Detroit kind of started out and you know 408 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 4: Spags is always going to be there, so yeah, I 409 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 4: didn't count them out. There were certain flaws that you 410 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 4: could see. But again, he looked like a completely different 411 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 4: team now than they did pre Baltimore, especially on offense. 412 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 4: And they'll be right in the mix once again. And 413 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 4: you're looking like, well, who can actually beat them if 414 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 4: they play the way they played last night, And you're 415 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 4: gonna say nobody. 416 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I also wonder, like having gone through 417 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: what they went through, which is, you know, nothing catastrophic, 418 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: but I mean they had no Savior Worthy, they had 419 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: no Resie Rice. They had to make two with a 420 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: bunch of you know, random receivers who got cut by 421 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: other teams are on practice squads, and to like by 422 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: being forced to do that, you wonder if they end 423 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: up better because of it. I would say the same 424 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers if they can somehow come 425 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: out of this. You know, losing Fred Warner's bad, but like, 426 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: if they can somehow come out of this offensively and 427 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: be okay, they will be better off having gone through it, 428 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: and then you know, emerge from the other end with 429 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: a pretty strong team. I want to go back to 430 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: what happened late in the game, at the end of 431 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: the game. Actually, Brian Branch, I don't know if it 432 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: was a punch or an open handed slap, but it 433 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: was a wallap. I think you would say, this is 434 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: it right here? See Mahomes is trying to say what's up? 435 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: Then Juju comes in? Who Juju hit him from behind 436 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: a couple of plays before, and then he says, I 437 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: would say, please, don't do that to me. Right there. 438 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: He's gonna go reviewed by the league for a possible 439 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: five I would say, likely fine, possible suspension. This seems 440 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: pretty serious, Judy. How hard do you think the league 441 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: will come down, Brian Branch? Did you think Juju could 442 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: face it as well? 443 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: I don't think the league will look kindly to a 444 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: melee happening on national television and you know, one player 445 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 2: just snacking another player in the face and instigating an 446 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: all out bawl, with Mike Turrico having to do play 447 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: by play of the brawl, right. 448 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 3: He's like, oh, we've got something going on on the 449 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: field here. 450 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, yeah, I don't know how many players 451 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: last week? 452 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: Who was it that Elstirico did the play by play 453 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: of the fan grabbing the football and running out of 454 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: the stadium, right, yes, right. 455 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: Dimensional very good broadcaster. 456 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: Anyway, Certainly, I would think the league will not look 457 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: kindly on this, at least a fine I have no 458 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: idea how much further they will want to go, and 459 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: I don't know how many players will be brought into this. 460 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: Will Juju get in trouble as well? I thought? I 461 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: thought Dan Hampill handled it as well as he could have. 462 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: He said he got to the podium and said he 463 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: I mean, he apologized to Andy Read immediately and said, like, 464 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: we can't do this. 465 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: I love the guy, but like that just is unacceptable. 466 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: So that was that was amazing. You never quite know 467 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: how coaches are going to handle it. I kind of 468 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: thought that was amazing, And you know that the other 469 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: players were kind of like okay, right. 470 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: Well he sends the signal right like that's that's not okay? 471 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely guess what the jail and Carter situation. Spitting 472 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 4: on someone got him one game or just that game? 473 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 4: So is this is a lot bigger than that? It 474 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 4: almost I turned the game off. I didn't even know 475 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 4: what happened. I turned it off and then started getting 476 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: text like do you see this? Like what they're fighting? 477 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: What are you talking about? The game is over? But 478 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: I thought it was good restraint by the rest of 479 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 4: the team. Is that didn't get out of hand? Even 480 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: more that more people didn't start jumping in on it, 481 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 4: like it really just was contained to those two. And yeah, 482 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 4: I do think you know, Brian Brands cannot do that. 483 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 4: That's absolutely absurd. But you have the clips that came 484 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 4: up of him getting hit in the back and the 485 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: miss calls and now this whole chief conspiracy thing again. 486 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 4: So will the NFL actually start looking at footage of 487 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: the game of him getting illegally hit which led to that? 488 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: But yeah, all in all, Brian Branson and I love that, 489 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 4: Like you said that, Dan Campbell just came out like 490 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 4: I love this guy, but he cannot do this. And 491 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 4: that's what you want from your head coach to look, 492 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: first of all, I have his back, but he can't 493 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 4: do this, and all players respect that when you know 494 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 4: where your coach is coming from. 495 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: Like that. 496 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 4: All right? 497 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: That was That was a crazy one last night. Good 498 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: game except for the end, which was bad. Great game 499 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: last night, Bucks, forty nine Ers. We talked about the 500 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: and the first part of this the forty nine ers injuries. 501 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the big part of this one, which 502 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: was just bigger. I mean, so so just goun on 503 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: a loop that play that yeah fourteen scramble that just 504 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: that play. I mean I was in a house with 505 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: a couple of friends last night and one of them 506 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: had gotten up and I'm literally sitting on the it's 507 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: yelling like you guys got to see this because yes, 508 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean Bakers, you know, and listening to Teses Johnson, who, 509 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: by the way, amazing catch right there, think that the 510 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: MVP chance for him only to have a teammate remind 511 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: him that it was actually for Bakastic is a good 512 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: reminder for all of us. The Baker is a real 513 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: MVP candidate. I don't know if he's going to get it, 514 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: because we're going to get like a Josh Allen does 515 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: crazy thing on national TV, or we're going to get 516 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: like a Lamar leads the Ravens back to the playoffs 517 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: type of deal. But while we're enjoying this, Judy, what 518 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: do you think of the Baker kind of star turn 519 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: slash MVP candidacy? Oh? 520 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 3: I love it. 521 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: I love it because, first of all, we still after 522 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: all of these years, nobody really thinks of the Bucks 523 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: as a dominant team. 524 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: They've won the division every right, so they won the super. 525 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: Bowl in the twenty twenty season Tom Brady, and then 526 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: they've won the division every year since then, so they're 527 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: the dominant team in the NFC South. 528 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 3: Nobody sort of takes that seriously. 529 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: Everybody's sort of like it's the NFC South and Baker 530 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 2: had like the hardest job imaginable here, you're going to 531 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 2: take the place of Tom Brady. 532 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: Now, I mean go ask the other quarterbacks. 533 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: You've had to do that? How much fun? That is 534 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: not an easy assignment. He's been great, he's gotten better. 535 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: It's clear that Todd Bowles and the Bucks have complete 536 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: confidence and faith in him, and he has brought his 537 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: energy to that team and his bite to that team 538 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: like he's got an edge. 539 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: He's always had an edge, He's brought. 540 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: It to the Bucks and when you pair, I feel 541 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: like his play has elevated. 542 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 3: Though, when you pair. 543 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: His play with Todd Bowles defense, they've got the playmakers 544 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: they've got if they could just get all the wide 545 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: receivers healthy at the same time. Listen, he is the 546 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: MVP candidate until proven otherwise. And yes, I agree with you. 547 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: Bigger names and more primetime games are probably going to 548 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 2: elevate other quarterbacks over him. 549 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 3: But remember this performance. 550 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: Because this game with his wide receiver court just like 551 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: wiped out. He ain't put the Bucks on his back. 552 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: That third or fourteen run was justin bonkers. 553 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 554 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 4: I always go back to my scouting days when I 555 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 4: look at players and how I scouted them. And this 556 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: is why Baker Mayfield was the first pick in the draft. 557 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 4: What you're seeing of him this year is why he 558 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: was taking number one because of his ultimate confidence. He's 559 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 4: a surgeon with the ball when he's on time, but 560 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 4: he has this playmaking ability. The toughness is rare where 561 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 4: that the team feeds off of that, and that's what 562 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 4: he looked like in Oklahoma and you just see him. 563 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 4: Of course he's going through the trials and tribulations, but 564 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 4: now the comfort level there of you're good, but you're 565 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 4: great in your MVP. When oh yeah, three receivers are out, 566 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 4: my starting running back's going, okay, it's all good. We're 567 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: still going to put thirty up on the board and 568 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 4: we're going to put on your That's the true sign 569 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: right there. So yeah, of course the Josh Allens of 570 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 4: the world had the bigger names. And if Lamar comes 571 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 4: back and they made the playoffs, just hand them the MVP. 572 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 4: I don't care. Just hand them the MVP because you 573 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: see how atrocious the Ravens are without him. But yeah, 574 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 4: if Baker continues on this path, it almost would be undeniable. 575 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 4: And the and the Bucks are legit. I gave Todd 576 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 4: Bowles as flowers last week on The Insiders with Jefshzia. 577 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 4: We had a segment and they why when is anyone 578 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 4: going to actually talk about that this guy is a 579 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: great head coach. I think Judy as you know the 580 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 4: Jets situation, still, people can't let go of that would 581 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 4: happened with the Jets. But even if you look at 582 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: what he did there, it was impressive. So yeah, Na, 583 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 4: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Yeah you. 584 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: Would, you would take They would take those seasons right 585 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: now that they have retun. 586 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: Balls, no doubt. Yeah, So they're legit. They are legit. 587 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: So I got this text from someone in the Bucks 588 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: building early this morning on the final drive for the Bucks. 589 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: On the field were third off defensive tackle, fifth guard, 590 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: fifth receiver, sixth receiver, seventh receiver, and RB two. It 591 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: really forces us to not use injuries as an excuse 592 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: for literally anyone which sucks for all the other day. 593 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: Do you think I would say about like I would 594 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: just say this also about giving respect and giving flowers, 595 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: Like do we ever talk about Jason Lightes, like one 596 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: of the best general managers in the NFL. 597 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: One of the best roster builders in the NFL. 598 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: No, you don't really hear his name thrown out there 599 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: like that, Like it should be in that mix, It 600 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: should be in that conversation. 601 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: All right, great stuff, guys, we got a lot more 602 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: to come. That's every you can see the screen if 603 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: you're not watching, it's all the places you can watch 604 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: The Insiders or consume The Insiders seven pm Tuesday, Wednesday Friday, 605 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: six pm Thursday on Fast you got a bunch of podcasts, 606 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: you got YouTube every day. Just look at the screen. 607 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of places. Mark, thank you, great stuff. 608 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: Judy always awesome, don't go anywhere. Back for more coming 609 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: up soon on The Insiders, but for right now, OK. 610 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 3: The Bara