1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: A New York woman is suing a hospital after she 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: says the facility's wild turkeys gave her a life altering 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: permanent injury. Sixty year old Carmen Pagan says that she 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: stumbled and fell on an uneven curb because she was 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: afraid of wild turkeys at the Staten Island University Hospital. 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: She has since undergone four surgeries on her right shoulder, 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: and she testified in court that she hasn't regained full 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: mobility and she had to resign from her job. She's 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: suing the hospital because she says they should have done 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: more to create a safe environment. She was trying to 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: walk to a food truck on hospital grounds, but she 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: took a roundabout way to avoid a block of wild turkeys. 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: This led her to an area with uneven pavement and 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: she caught her foot on a curb. She fell, hit 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: her head on a wall, and injured her shoulder as 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: she tried to catch herself. I don't know about you, 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: but I think turkeys have it bad enough this time 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: of year without getting dragged into a personal injury lawsuit. 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: They were just minding their own business in a parking lot, 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: which is one of their natural habitats on Staten Island. 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: Don't make the turkeys the fall guy for not picking 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: up your feet. I hate to say it, anyway, This 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: week we've got the crime to ask legislations, regulations, wolves, 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: and state conservation. But first I'm going to tell you 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: about my week. In my week was you know, it's 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: been really something. Big news. Something to celebrate is the 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: progress report on Wildcat Bend, which, if you remember, is 32 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: the property we pointed our land Access Initiative fundraising efforts 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty three. Just this week, the project progressed 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: through the Montana State Land Board on five to one margin, 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: which you know, the one dissenting vote is just that 36 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: person you know who's like I just can't agree with everyone, 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: not for any other reason. Then that's just what I 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: like to do, which means we are on our way 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: to more accessible land for hunting and fishing. If that 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: ain't enough, at a really great opportunity to join the 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: Durham family farm this week, and it happened to be 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: opening weekend of the Wisconsin rifle season. Let me tell you, 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: from this Montana kid's perspective, the amount of center fire 44 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: rifle shooting on a Wisconsin opening day is more than 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: I have heard in two or three big game seasons combined. 46 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: At home, I was graciously mixed into the group of 47 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: Doug's family and friends. We gain plans somewhat exhaustively on 48 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: the large aerial map in the old Duran farmhouse while 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: eating cheese curds and drinking spotted cow. Then early the 50 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: next morning, we headed out into the dark to our 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: appropriate stands or ambush points. This could be a ladder 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: stand on a tree, or a pop up blind on 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: the ground, or a pile of rocks or a crooked oak, 54 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: or a bend in a skitter road, or even one 55 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: of those really fancy prefabricated all aluminium insulated carpeted perched 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: on stilt tiny homes complete with a small deck. That's 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: what some folks in Wisconsin call permanent blinds. Doug has 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: one by a company called Q four that I immediately named 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: the Office because I quickly deduced that most folks I 60 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: know don't have an office as well appointed as Doug's stand. 61 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: I was jealous, obviously, not for the hunting application necessarily, 62 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: but I would love to have a little dedicated and comfortable, 63 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: elevated observation point to you know, type on my computer, 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: drink my coffee and watch the natural world go by 65 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: in a three sixty view. Anyway, the Duran farm, as 66 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: you well know, is managing for chronic wasting disease, which 67 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: means they have thrown out the book on trying to 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: curate wild giant white tails through select active management. In 69 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: other words, they just hunt deer, and the motto is, 70 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: if you're happy with it, we will be happy with you. 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: The goal this season is to remove sixty deer in total, 72 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: with a preference for more does than bucks, which is 73 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: the scenario that naturally presents itself anyway, don't you know? 74 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: So opening morning, bang bang bye bang bang bye bang 75 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: bang text messages who's shooting? Oh the neighbor emptied his gun? 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: I think by bang bang bang text message got three does, 77 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: bang bang bang text message got two does in a stick. 78 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: And so the morning went dispatches from Doug's office. We 79 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: could call it deer crossing. Just saw ten dos, Just 80 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: saw two bucks pretty nice, one wide, one tall. Ooh, 81 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: there's a nice buck. Then graciously, as my thoughts turned 82 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: to anxiety of being in the absolute wrong spot, having 83 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: not seen really anything other than squirrel and one young 84 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: buck chasing a dough at lightning speed through the tangle 85 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: of greenbrier and wrist thick oaks, my phone died, hmm, 86 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: do I stay or do I go? I climbed down 87 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: and do a small creeping walk around the stand I had, 88 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: you know, kind of randomly chosen, then back up the 89 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: ladder and back down again, and then back up the ladder, 90 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: just to kind of get my blood flowing and settle in. 91 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: It's now three o'clock in the afternoon. Something is going 92 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: to happen. The rut is still on deer being moved 93 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: by other people, and eventually something does happen, just as 94 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: soon as the nothing that was happening got finished. That's 95 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: how it works, right, grunting, blowing, crashing, and chasing. From 96 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: up above, the same young buck reveals himself for a 97 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: second time, this time actually pausing in front of a 98 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: basketball sized hole in the brush. I pick up my rifle. 99 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: I consider my angle and the consequence of a nearly 100 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: offhand shot. Then he's got on. Hmmm. I fixate on 101 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: this zone, trying to see everything. Then when my eyes 102 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: get bored of the terrain, I swing over my left 103 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: hand shoulder, where I get this view of a beautiful 104 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: creek bottom. However, it is so thick that it lacks 105 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 2: almost any real shooting possibilities. And as the evening breeze 106 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: picks up, I see branches moving in the bottom, which turn, 107 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: of course, not into branches but the high white ties 108 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 2: of an undeniably older buck. I wasn't exactly judging out there, 109 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: but you do know a big buck when you see it. 110 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: I align my rifle. No shot. I stand and leaned 111 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: against the tree. No shot. Now I can clearly see 112 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: this as a big deer. It's a heavy rack, it's 113 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: got tall times. It really is the thing right, And 114 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: this buck happens to be tracking dose. He's on the move. 115 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: As Doug would say, he's not exactly carrying the mail, 116 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: but he's moving. I stand on top of the ladder 117 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: stand seat awkwardly, twist my torso to keep my feet square, 118 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: and press my back into the tree to provide stability. 119 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: I managed to get an elbow into my rib cage. 120 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: I see my hole through the foliage, and the buck's 121 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: ribs fill the hole. I held my breath and squeeze 122 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: the trigger. Bang, Absolutely no reaction. The buck drops his head, sniffs, 123 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: and continues to move. He's just a brown haze beyond 124 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: the black sticks. I chamber my next round. I see 125 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: there is very little chance I hit this deer, and 126 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: even less of a chance of another clear or even 127 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: clear ish shot. Then that buck does what deer occasionally do. 128 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: He drops his head, he finds the smell he wants. 129 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: He turns ninety degrees and starts a new trajectory right 130 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: at me. When he picks his head up the next time, 131 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: the rack moves the tangle of brush to reveal his chest. 132 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: He's now looking head on and the path is clear. 133 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Bang. 134 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: This time the reaction is immediate. He turns ninety degrees 135 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: and hauls the mail. He's not on a trail, but 136 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: he goes directly through the tangle of oaks, maples and 137 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: greenbrier so thick it would unravel a sheep like an 138 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: old thrift shop sweater. And two things happened that day. 139 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: I sat in a tree stand for the longest I 140 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: have ever sat in a tree stand in my entire life. 141 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: And I got a buck, an old heavy buck who's 142 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: all broken off in places, and he's super cool. And 143 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: I was happy with that deer, and everyone else was 144 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: happy with me. Moving on to the crime desk. Wildlife 145 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: officials in Utah are asking for the public's help identifying 146 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: a poacher who threw rocks at an injured mule deer. 147 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources said in a press 148 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: release that they were notified by witnesses who saw a 149 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: man shoot a mule deer buck near the town of Beaver, 150 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: about one hundred and seventy five miles southwest of Salt 151 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: Lake City. The shot didn't put the deer down, so 152 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: the man proceeded to throw what the DWR describes as 153 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: several large boulders at the animal. One of those boulders 154 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: hit the deer in the head, and the man was 155 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: seen loading the now dead deer into the back of 156 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: a beige pickup truck and leaving the area. The incident 157 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: happened on October fourteenth of this year, and there were 158 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: no legal mule deer hunts in that area. On that day. 159 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: If you know anything about this incident, give Officer Jeremy 160 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: Butler call at four three five three one zero zero 161 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: two three eight. A reward may be available for information 162 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: leading to a successful prosecution, and your confidentiality will be maintained. 163 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: So you know. If you have a buddy who's real 164 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: good at throwing large boulders, you may want to ask 165 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: him where that buck came from. In Ohio, wildlife officials 166 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: have launched an investigation into the person who killed the 167 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: de in a suburban neighborhood just north of Columbus. One 168 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: resident of the town of Worthington told local media that 169 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: he'd spotted a white tail buck while walking his dog. 170 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: About forty minutes later, he heard a whooshing sound outside 171 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: and found that his water hose had been impaled by 172 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: an arrow. He looked down a street and saw two 173 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: people struggling to lift a dead deer into a car. 174 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: Another arrow is found later in a nearby park, but 175 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: this one was broken and appeared to have been hit 176 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: by something. Local officials told the Columbus Dispatch that Worthington 177 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: has been overrun by deer. The town published a deer 178 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: management report two years ago but their policies have been 179 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: unable to slow the growth of the herd. The town's 180 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: maintenance superintendent said, the deer have become like squirrels. They're 181 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: all over the town and people's yards, and people treat 182 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: them like pets. The Ohio DNR is investigating the incident. 183 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: They believe the poacher may not be a resident of 184 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: the neighborhood, but if anyone has any info, give them 185 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: a call. Game wardens in Wyoming made what may be 186 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 2: the easiest poaching bust of all time time. In January 187 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: of last year, the East Casper game warden came across 188 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: a truck parked along the highway and noticed a large 189 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: mule deer buck in the bed. Closer inspection revealed that 190 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: the driver was passed out drunk in the front seat. 191 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: The warden called sheriff's deputies, who arrested the man for 192 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: driving while intoxicated. The mule deer in the back of 193 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: the truck had been poached, and further investigation revealed that 194 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: this wasn't the first time this fella had fallen off 195 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: the wagon. In twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, 196 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: the man killed five bull elk and two mule deer 197 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: bucks without a license. He lost his hunting and fishing 198 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 2: privileges for fifty five years, which is obviously something he's 199 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: taking to heart. Was ordered to pay thirty six thousand 200 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: dollars in fines and restitution and will serve one year 201 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: in jail. And that's just for the wildlife crimes in 202 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: Johnson County. There are investigations underway in three other counties 203 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: for wildlife crimes. And he was also hit with two 204 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: felonies related to drunk driving and possessing a firearm. In 205 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: other words, he got some amends to make up. Yeah, yep, 206 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: hopefully this is rock bottom. We're gonna move on over 207 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: to the wolf desk. The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission 208 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: voted six to three last month to reject a petition 209 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: that would have made it more difficult to kill wolves 210 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: in the state. The petition was submitted by eleven animal 211 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: rights groups and claimed that too many wolves are killed 212 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: in Washington as the result of livestock conflicts. To correct 213 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: this supposed issue, the petition asked to create a new 214 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: rule to incorporate more restrictive standards relating to the use 215 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: of lethal and non lethal deterrence to address wolf livestock conflict. 216 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: It would have added more requirements for landowners to use 217 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: non lethal deterrent methods and made it extremely difficult to 218 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: kill wolves for any reason. Given the recent history of 219 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: the Washington Wildlife Commission, some folks were understandably nervous, but 220 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 2: at a commission meeting last week, the Wildlife Department gave 221 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: a strong presentation arguing against the petition. They pointed out 222 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: that compared to other states, Washington kills remarkably few wolves 223 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 2: every year. As of August of twenty twenty three, there 224 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: were fifteen livestock depredation incidents in Washington, but only two 225 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: wolves were removed. In Oregon. By contrast, there have been 226 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: thirty three incidents in twenty twenty three and nine wolves 227 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: were removed. Washington, in other words, killed wolves in only 228 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: thirteen percent of its depredation incidents, while Oregon killed twenty 229 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: seven percent of wolves in its depredation incidents. And the 230 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: proof is in the pudding. The overall wolf population in 231 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: Washington has grown from only five wolves in two thousand 232 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: and eight to two hundred and sixteen last year. It's 233 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: very hard, then, to argue that the state is killing 234 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: too many wolves when the population has been growing so quickly, 235 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: and yet while the petition didn't pass, three commissioners still 236 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: voted in favor of it, Melanie Rowland, Julia Smith, and 237 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: Tim Reagan. Those of you in Washington State probably won't 238 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: be surprised at that list. Smith and Rowland especially have 239 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: been the loudest voices in favor of changing how wildlife 240 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: is managed, and this kind of restrictive rule is right 241 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: up their alley. Livestock conflicts aren't the only scenarios in 242 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: which wolves can be legally killed in the Pacific Northwest. 243 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: Across the border in Oregon, an elk hunter shot and 244 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: killed a wolf in what he says was self defense. 245 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: The elk hunter called the Oregon Department of Fishing Wildlife 246 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: on November two to report the incident. He said that 247 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: a wolf came out of the timber while he was 248 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: tracking an elk and started to approach him. He waved 249 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: and yelled, but the wolf kept coming. The investigation revealed 250 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: that the wolf was about eighteen yards away when the 251 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: hunter finally used his firearm to shoot the wolf once, 252 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: killing it instantly. Another wolf appeared a short time later, 253 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: but the hunter fired into the air and scared it away. 254 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: It is legal in every state to kill an animal 255 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: in self defense, but it's important to follow this hunter's example, 256 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: especially if you've killed an animal on the endangered species list. 257 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: If you find yourself in that unfortunate situation, call a 258 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: game warden right away, leave the scene intact, and tell 259 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: the truth. It'll end your hunt for the day, but 260 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: that's better than having your hunting license revoked for trying 261 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: to conceal what happened. Moving on to the cold case desk, 262 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: the Sheriff's office in Sack County, Wisconsin, which I'm about 263 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: five hundred feet away from, is asking deer hunters to 264 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: be on the lookout for anything suspicious. Specifically, Sheriff Chipmeister 265 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: is asking for help finding thirteen year old James Yoblonsky. 266 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: Yablonsky has been missing for almost four months and law 267 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: enforcement is stumped, so they're hoping that hunters will be 268 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: able to provide new leads as they head out into 269 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: the woods in search of whitetail. The request might sound 270 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: a little strange, but hunters are often in the best 271 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: position to find things criminals have tried to hide in 272 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: the woods. Meat Eater contributor Pat Dirkin published an article 273 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty tracking this phenomenon. He highlights several cases 274 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: in which hunters have found bodies and other evidence, and 275 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: you've probably noticed it yourself. Whenever something strange is found 276 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: in the woods or on the water, it's often a 277 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: hunter or angler who's done the finding. In fact, just 278 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: last week, a hunter in central Texas stumbled upon partial 279 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: human remains while walking through a wooded area. The Burnett 280 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: County Sheriff's office says the body had been there several 281 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: months or even several years. They know who the person was, 282 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: but they aren't releasing any additional information until they notify 283 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: next of kin. They say no foul play was detected 284 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: and the cause of death still needs to be determined. 285 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: There is no hard data on how many missing persons 286 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: hunters find every year, but an official with the National 287 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: Missing and Unidentified Person System told Pat Durkin that bodies 288 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: start turning up in the spring when hunters go after 289 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: turkeys and in the fall when deer seasons open. Quote, 290 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: hunters are out there in places no one else goes. 291 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: They can see better because the foliage is down, and 292 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: they're just aware of their surroundings. Hopefully, law enforcement finds 293 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: Yablonski alive and well, but if Wisconsin hunters stumble upon 294 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: something suspicious, they should stay in the area, not disturb 295 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: the scene, and call nine to one one right away. 296 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: In another case that still hasn't been solved, law enforcement 297 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: officials are vowing to keep up the search for the 298 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: person who killed a Minnesota hunter seven years ago. On 299 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: November seven, twenty sixteen, forty one year old Terry Brisk 300 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: was found lying in the woods. The man had been 301 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 2: hunting on his family's property, and further investigation revealed he 302 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: had been shot and killed with his own rifle. The 303 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: gun had been hidden somewhere else in the woods, and 304 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: it wasn't until twenty seventeen that the murder weapon was 305 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: actually found. Bris family has refused to allow the case 306 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: to go cold, and now it looks like their perseverance 307 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: may pay off. Morrison County Sheriff Sean Larson told local 308 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: media that they have new investigative tools to help recover 309 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: electronic data that have just become available within the last year. 310 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: They're retesting some of their evidence because these new tests 311 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: are more accurate and they hope it will provide new leads. Still, 312 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: the biggest breaks in a case often begin with witness testimony. 313 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: The sheriff office revealed last year that they're looking for 314 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: a blue van that was in the area on the 315 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: day of the shooting. They've all also offered a thirty 316 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: thousand dollars reward for any information that leads to an 317 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: arrest and conviction. That information can be related to physical evidence, 318 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: or even something as simple as noticing that the behavior 319 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: of a friend or family member changed following the murder. 320 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: Right now, it sounds like even the smallest detail will help. 321 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: If you have any information, contact the Morrison County Sheriff's Department. 322 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: Moving on to the state desk, conservation groups do a 323 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 2: ton of work at the state level that does not 324 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: get recognized. In Minnesota. For example, Pheasants Forever announced four 325 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: new projects that will conserve a total of four hundred 326 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: and thirty seven acres. The projects are part of the 327 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: group's Build a Wildlife Area program and they'll be strengthening 328 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: habitat corridors for upland birds in Monomenon, McLoud, Outer Tail, 329 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: and Swift Counties. The plan is to add acres to 330 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: existing waterfowl production areas. Expanding additional public lands is often 331 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: a better strategy than purchasing land in totally new areas 332 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: because hunt already have access to these parcels. For more information, 333 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: check out the press release on pheasantsfever dot com. Sometimes 334 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: state level conservation projects are funded by nonprofits like Pheasants Forever. 335 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: Other times they receive funding through federal programs. That's what's 336 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: happening in Indiana, where a local conservation group just got 337 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: approval to participate in a federal conservation program. The Southern 338 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: Indiana Sentinel Landscape or SISL, will be participating in the 339 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: Regional Conservation Partnership Program, which is overseen by the US 340 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: Department of Agriculture. This program will provide funding for the 341 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: next five years for the restoration of twenty five hundred 342 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: acres of forest land in southern Indiana through conservation ease 343 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: months and five thousand to ten thousand acres of oak 344 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: hickory forest ecosystems. The program will also provide resources to 345 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: increase sustainable farming practices across tens of thousands of acres. 346 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: They will help educate landowners and supply them with tools 347 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 2: to protect crop plants, surface waters, timberland, and more. The 348 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: projects might not focus exclusively on game animals, but you 349 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: can bet they'll help all critters that live in these ecosystems. 350 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: Other state level conservation efforts are spearheaded by the state 351 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: Department of Wildlife. In Missouri, for example, the Department of 352 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: Conservation recently removed a wopping thirty eight seven hundred pounds 353 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: of invasive carp from the Grand River. The project was 354 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: completed in September in partnership with the US Fish and 355 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: Wildlife Service. In the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks, 356 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: teams use nets in electro fishing to remove the invasive 357 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 2: species and improve habitat for native fish. Electro Fishing, by 358 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: the way, is pretty much what it sounds like. It 359 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: imparts a high voltage into the water, which causes fish 360 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: to experience something called galvano taxis. Galvina taxis is uncontrolled 361 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: muscular convulsions that results in the fish swimming towards the 362 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: submerged electrode where they can be scooped up with a 363 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: dip net. By all, just keep invasive species, and in 364 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: this case, the silver carp, big head carp, and grass 365 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: carp were given to a commerce fishermen to be used 366 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: as fish bait. The native fish were counted and released 367 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 2: back into the water. The Washington State Department of Natural 368 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: Resources is set to purchase more than nine thousand acres 369 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: of forestland in wak Yakham YEP. That's a tough one. 370 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: Walkakham County near the mouth of the Columbia River. You know, 371 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: right in askcl at the mediaor dot com anyway. Wakiyackham County, 372 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: as everybody calls it, is located near the mouth of 373 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: the Columbia River in southwest Washington. Local media reports that 374 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: this is the largest land purchased by the DNR in 375 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: over a decade and will cost taxpayers about fifty five 376 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: million dollars. The land will be used to generate revenue 377 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: for the department through commercial timber harvest and production. The 378 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: department also plans to preserve the land for public service 379 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: such as recreation, providing wildlife habitats, and protect water quality. 380 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: These are just a few examples of the kind of 381 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: great work being done at the local and state level. 382 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: I guarantee if you spend a little time looking, you'll 383 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: find equally cool projects being done in your neck of 384 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: the woods. When you find them, send them my way 385 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: by emailing askcl at the meateater dot com. Moving on 386 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: to the legislative desk. State legislative sessions are picking up 387 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: steam around the country, so now is the time to 388 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: start tracking your outdoor legislation. This week, I have great 389 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: news from Texas. Last week, lone Star state residents voted 390 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly in favor of a ballot initiative that will invest 391 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: more than one billion dollars to create and improve state parks. 392 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: Proposition fourteen, which we covered on the podcast a few 393 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: weeks ago, will create a centennial Parks Conservation Fund that 394 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: will be used to open dozens of new parks. Texas 395 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 2: currently ranks thirty fifth in the nation for parkland per capita, 396 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: which is probably why a whopping seventy five percent of 397 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 2: voters voted in favor of Proposition fourteen, with one point 398 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: nine million people voting in favor and only five hundred 399 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: and eighty nine thousand voting against. Proposition fourteen was among 400 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: the most popular initiatives this year. Some of you may 401 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: wonder why I'm happy with Prop fourteen when I'm usually 402 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: so critical of ballot box biology. That's because this initiative 403 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: isn't about biology. It's about money. It doesn't say where 404 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: the parks must be located or how large they should be. 405 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 2: It gives biologists and wildlife officials the money they need 406 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: to open new parks, but leaves the ecology related decisions 407 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: up to them. Oklahoma residents will have a chance to 408 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: weigh in on dozens of new proposed hunting and fishing rules. 409 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: One of the rules would subject hunters to littering citations 410 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: for leaving empty shotgun shells on the landscape. One proposal 411 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: would open a velvet buck hunt, while another would limit 412 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: bo fishermen to ten non game native fish per day. 413 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: The Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation is taking public comment 414 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: on the proposed rules until December eighth. The commission will 415 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: vote on them around the beginning of the year, before 416 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: the rules go into effect six months later. Utah wildlife 417 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: officials are also exploring a new rule that would rechi 418 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: hunters report all deer and elk harvested during the general 419 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: season hunts beginning next year. The proposal calls for all 420 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: permit holders during the eight deer or elk hunts to 421 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: report their harvest to the state within thirty days after 422 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: the season ends. These eight seasons include general season archery 423 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: elk general season buck deer hunters who fail to report 424 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: their results will be barred from applying for any big 425 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: game or antlerless hunts the following season. Reporting is easy, 426 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: can be done either online or over the phone, and 427 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: wildlife officials say the data will be used to improve 428 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: hunting experiences in the future. To weigh in, send an 429 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: email to the Utah Wildlife Board as a note, I 430 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: registered three deer. I shot two does and a buck 431 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 2: while out here at dougs hop online, State of Wisconsin. 432 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: They definitely milk you for a little information such as 433 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: was it a good day on a scale of one 434 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: to ten? Which I found particularly entertaining. But it's great. 435 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: That's all I got for you this week. Thank you 436 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: so much for listening. I hope you had a wonderful 437 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving weekend and something else to look forward to. We 438 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: got a special Doug Duran Sharing the Land podcast coming 439 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: up as well. So right in ask c Al, that's 440 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: Askcal at themeaeater dot com. Let me know what's going 441 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: on in your neck of the woods. Would love to 442 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: hear if folks find these conservation group spotlights interesting, if 443 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: it's helpful, or if you'd rather just have more news 444 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: and you know, chances are I'm gonna do what I 445 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: want anyway, it's my show. But heck, we're in this together, 446 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: right You help me, I'll help you, and vice versa. 447 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: As these legislative sessions ramp up, regulation changes, et cetera, 448 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: please write in, let us know what's going on so 449 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: we can make sure people know about it, and they 450 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: write in. Make those phone calls, and better yet, show 451 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: up in person to testify. Maybe even do this one 452 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: of the scariest things, all right and op ed. It'll 453 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: really stand out, I promise, and it will help. Got 454 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: to talk to those non so thank you so much 455 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: for listening. I'm gonna go out and cut some wood 456 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: with Bubbly Dug here before I head for the airport. 457 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: And of course we're gonna be using clean, quiet steel, 458 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: battery operated chainsaws. Those suckers just get the job done 459 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: and they're just so nice. We can have a conversation 460 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: while we're bucking up wood, big old oak trees out here. 461 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: It's amazing. Anyway, thank you so much for listening. Go 462 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: to www dot steel dealers dot com to find a local, 463 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: knowledgeable steel dealer near you. They're gonna get you set 464 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: up with what you need and they're not gonna try 465 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: to send you home with what you don't. Thanks again 466 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: and I'll talk to you next week.