Speaker 1: I don't see much difference between religion, conspiracy theory, and
Speaker 1: believing in ghost and thinking the Dolly parton is satan.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you are blast them ng my god,
Speaker 1: Queen Jolly, kick your ass off my podcast is hear
Speaker 1: me the first one to kick off? You blasp them, Dolly.
Speaker 1: We're just going right in. Everybody who's been Folds catching
Speaker 1: in the creepies is welcoming. Ben Fold. Okay, good to
Speaker 1: be here. It's damn good to see you too. You're like, no,
Speaker 1: so do you? You look like you've been frolicking in
Speaker 1: the sunshine. I've been frolicking in the in the mushroom forest.
Speaker 1: That's what it looks like. Yeah, little you gonna get
Speaker 1: a little sun through the through the mushrooms. But you
Speaker 1: can also, you know, sleep under the canopies. Gorgeous. Where
Speaker 1: are you in the world? Actually I'm in Australia. You
Speaker 1: lucky motherfucker. M M. You're lucky. You got stuck there.
Speaker 1: I got stuck in Sydney. Oh you lucky. I was
Speaker 1: there on my birthday, not this year. So a year
Speaker 1: and change ago is the last show I played was
Speaker 1: in Sydney and it was so fund the best time ever.
Speaker 1: And then like a week later the world went to
Speaker 1: ship holy ship. So you were over here while I
Speaker 1: was over here because I was over here on tour
Speaker 1: and I got stuck and you escaped back to the US.
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't, damn it. I heard it's just
Speaker 1: like kind of normal there. It is normal. But because
Speaker 1: they're way behind on on the vaccines. Now it's going
Speaker 1: to get more difficult here because the borders and stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's been great. I'm mean, it really has. It's
Speaker 1: uh at a very heavy cost to Australia. They've kept
Speaker 1: it safe. Have you played shows for the past year. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: about three or four months ago I played an orchestra tour.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and like it was like a normal show,
Speaker 1: it was more or less normal. I had to do
Speaker 1: a whole ship ton of nose swabs. I think over
Speaker 1: the course of two weeks, I must have done about
Speaker 1: ten something like that. The brain tickler that I've been
Speaker 1: doing that now, that's just like part it's fun for me. Now.
Speaker 1: I buy them online and I just shove them up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can usually tell the really over zealous I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cram this son of a bit all the way up
Speaker 1: to your frontal lobe. Kind of dude, you can see
Speaker 1: that coming. There was an Irish lady. I don't know
Speaker 1: why she was really nice. I just knew that was
Speaker 1: going straight straight past the eye sockets. Well, she wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure you were COVID free. I didn't really
Speaker 1: like know what your stands or your belief system in
Speaker 1: the supernatural is at all. I like to see evidence,
Speaker 1: or I like to know that evidence was vetted by
Speaker 1: someone whose life is dedicated to it. So I guess
Speaker 1: in that way, I'm I'm a man of science. I
Speaker 1: love science. I love science. They can go together, they
Speaker 1: can go together. What can go together? Science and magic? Well,
Speaker 1: I think they do go together. I think I think.
Speaker 1: I think science is science allows for all the things
Speaker 1: that you don't know. You know, so we don't claim
Speaker 1: to know everything. There's a lot of mystery out there.
Speaker 1: What bothers me about certain belief systems that are based
Speaker 1: on maybe what we call is supernatural is that they
Speaker 1: tend to want to explain that which is not been explained, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course, there's a lot of rules. Well, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, why why you're interested in it? Are
Speaker 1: you interested in what other people are interested in, or
Speaker 1: do you have a specific Like I'm I've seen some ship,
Speaker 1: and I'm here to tell you all about I've seen
Speaker 1: some ship. And then through the ship I've seen, it
Speaker 1: made me want to talk to other people about like
Speaker 1: what they have seen and what they have experienced, because
Speaker 1: I only have my own perspective right so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to understand magical and the universe and the things I
Speaker 1: can't explain or that are just unexplainable and undeniably unexplainable.
Speaker 1: I want to see other people's perspective of that. Because
Speaker 1: I was raised in a certain way by a certain
Speaker 1: kind of mom that was very open to that, and
Speaker 1: in the South, and there was a lot of religion
Speaker 1: that I didn't connect with. But then spirituality, which I
Speaker 1: do connect with, which ties in with creativity to me.
Speaker 1: And then I saw a ghost and then I saw
Speaker 1: a spaceship, and so then I was like, fucking, I
Speaker 1: want to talk to other people and see what think
Speaker 1: about it. This is my favorite part, and then that's
Speaker 1: how it goes Okay, So that's what led me to
Speaker 1: this moment in time. But like I also just love
Speaker 1: magical things, like my favorite thing in the world are
Speaker 1: things that you can't like make into an app and
Speaker 1: monetize and like define specifically or like trap like things
Speaker 1: like creativity, which is why writing songs is so fun
Speaker 1: and we've written songs together and it's so fun because
Speaker 1: it's like you just don't know if it's going to
Speaker 1: be good or not. Like you are literally grasping at
Speaker 1: thin air. Yeah, when you're making something that wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and that is mysterious. I mean it is. It's like
Speaker 1: and also, you know, I think that the things that
Speaker 1: we don't know, there's a to me, there's a balance.
Speaker 1: It's like we want to be curious because that's part
Speaker 1: of the frustration of being curious. This is part of
Speaker 1: being human. It gets you to the next days, the
Speaker 1: hunger for understanding what comes next. The other side of
Speaker 1: it is we need to be able to celebrate that
Speaker 1: which is a mystery and leave it be. You know.
Speaker 1: So everyone kind of has that wall, like like do
Speaker 1: I really want to explain an examples remember that ridiculous?
Speaker 1: I mean I actually didn't think it was ridiculous. I
Speaker 1: thought it was just entertaining. But the insane clown Posse
Speaker 1: video called Miracles, I'm obsessed with them. They were on
Speaker 1: this show and I'm a fully a juggle. Now go on,
Speaker 1: I'm down with the clowns. I think that I think,
Speaker 1: uh that their song Miracles was widely misunderstood. Uh, And
Speaker 1: a lot of people were saying, oh, magnets, do you
Speaker 1: want to how the funk those were electromagnetic power? Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and then you and then you have to
Speaker 1: ask that person on Twitter. Okay, now explain it further. Okay,
Speaker 1: those are those electrons? Okay, it was an electron? Was
Speaker 1: left trying made out of what are those made out of?
Speaker 1: Why are they there? And as you keep digging deeper,
Speaker 1: you have you do have a miracle. So I don't
Speaker 1: think that was a ridiculous line. I thought it was
Speaker 1: actually a really smart line. And I agree. And there
Speaker 1: is science to like back where you can trace kind
Speaker 1: of down things to a point. But then it all
Speaker 1: kind of comes back to this spiritual, supernatural whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, this question of well it does
Speaker 1: if that's where your mind goes, because if you need
Speaker 1: to explain it, well, but I mean we need to
Speaker 1: explain things for for ourselves. That's that's that's part of
Speaker 1: feeling safe, you have something to a structure. If you
Speaker 1: just called it nothing, if it wasn't called supernatural, it
Speaker 1: wasn't called anything, and you didn't try to explain it.
Speaker 1: That's not a ghost, that's a sound I heard. It's
Speaker 1: a mystery. But if you say it's a ghost, then
Speaker 1: suddenly you were trying to explain something and take the
Speaker 1: mystery out of that which can't be spoint yea mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I mean that's my opinion. I'm I'm I'm okay with
Speaker 1: ghost interesting, well only because here's my thing. I saw
Speaker 1: an apparition of a person. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was a ghost, if that's a different dimension, if
Speaker 1: that was me hallucinating. Was that a dream? Are we
Speaker 1: all living in a simulation? What dimension are we in?
Speaker 1: Is our dream life? Really? Are waking life? You can
Speaker 1: go down that rabbit hole and I love going down
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole, my favorite rabbit hole to go down. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what was this? I mean you may have to
Speaker 1: explain this every podcast, and I'm not sure if you
Speaker 1: don't want to do that, But what was the what's
Speaker 1: the operation store? So? Okay? I was I like on tour?
Speaker 1: I like to stay and haunted um hotels instead of
Speaker 1: like when we stopped, like I'll make the band and
Speaker 1: dancers and my crew like stay with me in a
Speaker 1: haunted brothel instead of staying like the w like but
Speaker 1: like so I always kind of have and torturing my
Speaker 1: band and friends into staying at creepy places and so
Speaker 1: on tour. One time we all stayed at Miss Molly's
Speaker 1: in Fort Worth and I was staying in this room.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of history about like women dying there.
Speaker 1: I was like, I really want to see a ghost.
Speaker 1: I really want to see a ghost. And then of
Speaker 1: course at midnight, I get woken up by this feeling
Speaker 1: it's like touching the side of my body. I looked
Speaker 1: down at the end of the bed and there's a
Speaker 1: woman there who was not a real It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a It wasn't a woman the same way that I can,
Speaker 1: like it was kind of seat through a little transparent
Speaker 1: And then I knew that it was something different because
Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. It just made me kind of sad,
Speaker 1: Like I felt really sad for her. I wasn't scared.
Speaker 1: And I then that like peaked interest because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you see all these movies are read, books are and
Speaker 1: ghosts are scary and it's so scary. But in that moment,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, there's just like an energy of
Speaker 1: this person and it's making me sad. I just assumed
Speaker 1: it was either a woman or someone in really good
Speaker 1: drag from the riddle me that ben really that learned
Speaker 1: me this kesha um consciousness. Where are we and who
Speaker 1: are we? I mean, that's certainly the biggest mystery. When
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I used to think I'd like
Speaker 1: to write a little story about how we're all brains
Speaker 1: and jars and a labl I mean, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people have written that story, but when I
Speaker 1: was a kid it did occur to me at some
Speaker 1: age of like eight years old. That I guess because
Speaker 1: sometimes you're dreaming and sometimes you're awake and you don't
Speaker 1: know what the difference is. Then sometimes something happened or
Speaker 1: something didn't happen, two people witness the same thing and
Speaker 1: you don't know. So I I do think it is
Speaker 1: all in our minds. That much is so. Look, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to find the world a certain way, and
Speaker 1: the things that you that come across your field of
Speaker 1: vision in your your your life are all explained through that,
Speaker 1: then that's cool. I mean, like if you told like
Speaker 1: a baby, a six month old in a high chair
Speaker 1: and they see their parents float into the air, they'll
Speaker 1: probably be cool with that. Yeah, but later on you're
Speaker 1: not open to that anymore. I am. You might be,
Speaker 1: you know, my mom, like I'm what I'm looking for
Speaker 1: is I want all of those experiences in life, like
Speaker 1: I want that's what drugs are for. But but you
Speaker 1: very true, circling back to the mushroom behind you. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's rights. Take off a little nibble every once in
Speaker 1: a while so I can get through my day. But
Speaker 1: I do think that things like that that sounds so magical.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just intrigues me the most. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm bored by to me. Okay, here's another example.
Speaker 1: Love right songs and love. I can't explain why I
Speaker 1: love somebody. It's a feeling and it just it is
Speaker 1: very real. I feel in my like the insides of
Speaker 1: my organs and like every fiber of my being, and
Speaker 1: like a song will come out of my face and
Speaker 1: then it gets recorded and that whole process is confusing,
Speaker 1: and then it's on the radio and so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of being transported to a different land in a different time.
Speaker 1: It's like time travel my my voice. So all of
Speaker 1: this stuff just trips me out. And no, it is,
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, I mean that's why I'm with you.
Speaker 1: The mystery of that. To me, it's always been about
Speaker 1: relaxing and allowing it to be a mystery rather than
Speaker 1: explain if someone if you can see that, that that over. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, thousands and thousands of years of scientists, philosophers,
Speaker 1: thinkers have not come up with the answer. I hate
Speaker 1: to throw in the towel, but I figure it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna come out of me. So I'm sort of I'm
Speaker 1: I'm cool with just the mystery of it. But do
Speaker 1: you know Tim mentioned he says, uh, someone asked him about, um,
Speaker 1: you only believe, uh in things that you can see,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yes, I want to believe the things
Speaker 1: I can see. So you have to have evidence. He's like,
Speaker 1: I have to have evidence. And it's like, what evidence
Speaker 1: do you have for love? And he said, well, love
Speaker 1: without evidence is called stalking. You know, it's really weird
Speaker 1: actually now that you've brought up stalking the way I have.
Speaker 1: So we've made music together, we've had dinner together. I
Speaker 1: saved your phone from a swimming pool. Very well, you
Speaker 1: tried to save it. There was no saving it at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Then, yeah, but you know what,
Speaker 1: you told me to put it in rice. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: and I did that. I actually called up the room
Speaker 1: service and managed to get rice somehow. At the at
Speaker 1: the sunset, Marquee put it in the the rice, but I
Speaker 1: turned it onto too soon. My fault, that my phone,
Speaker 1: So then the phone had the soul left the phone.
Speaker 1: So there's a haunted. There's a phone haunting. We should
Speaker 1: read a song about that, especially if if you do
Speaker 1: my podcast, then I always write a song with my
Speaker 1: guests on the point. Oh my god. Well, then that's
Speaker 1: what our song to me about. The reason we're talking
Speaker 1: right now is because I liked your music when I
Speaker 1: was like thirteen years old, and I grew out of that,
Speaker 1: I hope no, And I stalked your ass and it
Speaker 1: came to a bunch of shows and then I came backstage,
Speaker 1: and then I was and then we were friends, and
Speaker 1: I went to dinner, and then you let me borrow
Speaker 1: your glittery piano for like years, Oh my god. And
Speaker 1: then we did worked on Rainbow, which is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs of all time together, and we played
Speaker 1: an award show and now are my podcast. And that
Speaker 1: all came from you making noise with your face, yeah,
Speaker 1: and me stalking you. That's true. That yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: And and another one of life's great mysteries is just
Speaker 1: the just the sequence of connections in life. It is crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that that that in itself is nuts.
Speaker 1: You know, when you travel and you're one of the
Speaker 1: great purposes that we find ourselves in a lot of
Speaker 1: different places around the world, and you get off a
Speaker 1: plane or you get off a bus and you walk
Speaker 1: around and you're just, all of a sudden, you're in
Speaker 1: this place with so many people. I can't believe how
Speaker 1: many people they are. And then you see people that
Speaker 1: look like people you know back home, whether it's Asia
Speaker 1: or whether it's Germany or Africa, wherever it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's crazy, just to see the
Speaker 1: sheer number of people who are all utterly different. But
Speaker 1: there's something that reminds you of people that you know anyway,
Speaker 1: And imagine just that across time and like five thousand
Speaker 1: years of just people walking around. Have you ever taken psychedelics? No? Never,
Speaker 1: Still strange to me that you've never taken the psychedelic Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I just waited until too late. I was working
Speaker 1: in writing and just busy, and I didn't think about
Speaker 1: anything that that that was fun, Like, it didn't occur
Speaker 1: to me. And then by the time you're my old age,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna put something in your brain's gonna rewire it.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I already, you know, I'm already forgetting everything. Anyway.
Speaker 1: A lot of parents tell the kids don't take acid,
Speaker 1: and that's why they take acids. So you have hip mom.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a mother who's seen it all,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's different from a mother who has
Speaker 1: never seen it before, who's afraid of it, saying, you
Speaker 1: know which, which is what kids suspect. But if you know,
Speaker 1: like my parents both smoked pots, so you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't a mystery to me. It didn't seem
Speaker 1: that cool either. It's kind of like that's what your
Speaker 1: parents do it. Then you're like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. You can't rebel against them. No, my rebellion
Speaker 1: against my mom was she wrote country songs. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm in a like talk rap over dance beats,
Speaker 1: mom fucking mom, and then she was and then she
Speaker 1: was like and then and then we wrote a bunch
Speaker 1: of songs together like that, and so now I so
Speaker 1: it didn't work. My rebellion didn't work, And now I
Speaker 1: just want to make country music like I'm like full circle.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, I just want to make like I
Speaker 1: just want to be Dolly Parton. I prayed it. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Bell Parton two, I don't. Actually,
Speaker 1: You've got a point there, And that's another mystery. Actually,
Speaker 1: that is something that is a mystery that I've actually pondered. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it's not exactly supernatural, but is I started thinking
Speaker 1: about it when I when I was I was playing
Speaker 1: with a lot of orchestras, and I was watching so
Speaker 1: many conductors come through and before they even raised the baton,
Speaker 1: the orchestra has a response to that person like they
Speaker 1: they want to follow them, they don't want to follow them.
Speaker 1: They have an opinion about what they're wearing. You can
Speaker 1: feel it in the room instantly. In that situation. Only Parton,
Speaker 1: it's like someone who raises her Baton and there are
Speaker 1: no dissenters at all. Name one person that has anything
Speaker 1: negative to say about Dolly Parton is the weirdest thing. No.
Speaker 1: I actually wrote a song last week with my mother
Speaker 1: that goes, I don't believe in God, but I believe
Speaker 1: in Dolly Parton. See and I do. That's she's a
Speaker 1: false prophet already. See you you're You've just proven my point.
Speaker 1: Some creepy no one is in the illuminati, is what
Speaker 1: you're saying. She's all that stuff. Yeah, but see, there's
Speaker 1: there's there's the thing about And that's what worries me
Speaker 1: about the superstitious stuff is that the way people jump
Speaker 1: so quickly into uh into conspiracy theories. I don't see
Speaker 1: much difference between religion conspiracy theory and believing in ghost
Speaker 1: and thinking the Dolly Parton is Satan, which I'll I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see you are blest them. Ng my god, Queen Dolly,
Speaker 1: kick your ass off. My podcast is you're gonna be
Speaker 1: the first one to kick off. You blest them Dolly.
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton is amazing. She is like Stephen did you
Speaker 1: did you see her make Stephen Colbert cry? No in
Speaker 1: a sad way. No, in a in a like moved
Speaker 1: mysterious unsolved mysteries of the universe. How someone can sing
Speaker 1: the other person gets a chill and then can't help crying.
Speaker 1: Amazing it is. It's like, praise be praise Dolly. Yeah
Speaker 1: you came around. Yeah, I came around you. You've turned
Speaker 1: into a believer. Dolly came out of a spaceship. She
Speaker 1: sure did. Dolly came out of his spaceship to make
Speaker 1: this world a better place. She's like, I was listening
Speaker 1: to your song jesus Land. Yeah, and it reminds me
Speaker 1: of like growing up in the South. Do you want
Speaker 1: to explain your song jesus Land? What's about? It? Was?
Speaker 1: Came from so much touring, and there's a there's a
Speaker 1: structure that fits all the cities that I was passing through,
Speaker 1: I guess in the Midwest and the South at the moment,
Speaker 1: which kind of imply I had certain kinds of people
Speaker 1: moving away from and avoiding other kinds of people. So
Speaker 1: it seemed very compartmentalized, and it seemed so in in
Speaker 1: a kind of nefarious way. It looked like it looked
Speaker 1: like people had moved to the suburbs to get away
Speaker 1: from another group. Of people who had moved from here
Speaker 1: to get it seemed it seemed very tribal to me.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, this is like maybe about two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, and I was thinking, God, what would
Speaker 1: Jesus think of that? I mean, whether or not I
Speaker 1: think Jesus was a super natural being or not. I
Speaker 1: think historically he was probably there, you know, like everyone
Speaker 1: he's historically uh documented, And I think, you know, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: suppose he was walking from the center of town out
Speaker 1: to the out to the edge. How sad would he
Speaker 1: be to see all of that separation? He crossed his tracks,
Speaker 1: and as soon as he crossed his tracks, then the
Speaker 1: socio economics change of it. And then he finds himself
Speaker 1: in a yard out in suburbia somewhere, and he's tired
Speaker 1: and it's just beautiful grass and he lays down. But
Speaker 1: as soon as he's in the yard, this alarm system
Speaker 1: comes on and all these lights does lights that come
Speaker 1: on in those yards that are protecting themselves because it's
Speaker 1: not his land, it's some other motherfucker's. So I was
Speaker 1: thinking Jesus land as well. He walks through the nastiest,
Speaker 1: ugliest part of town and it's stripped malls and he
Speaker 1: sees a billboard with his name on it, quoting something
Speaker 1: he never said. Yes, I love that line in the song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where it came from. That's longer than the song.
Speaker 1: It took me longer to explain it than it than
Speaker 1: it than to write sing well, I love that song.
Speaker 1: And in my mind I was imagining Jesus driving through
Speaker 1: like Arkansas and Nashville. I recently did that drive. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and like just seeing like I love Jesus billboards, I
Speaker 1: have to say I do love Jesus billboard. M I
Speaker 1: can't explain to you why I love it. Interesting, So
Speaker 1: when you say you love it, how do you mean,
Speaker 1: like like ironically love it? I just love. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's an aesthetic thing, like a giant sign along a sad, lonely,
Speaker 1: desperate highway that says something scary about you rotting in
Speaker 1: hell if you don't believe in zombie Jesus. So it's
Speaker 1: it's you think it's it's it's it's funny and absurd
Speaker 1: and and scary scary. It's creepy. It's creepy. It's super creepy.
Speaker 1: And since we've agreed that Dolly Parton is the closest
Speaker 1: thing we can think of to Jesus. Okay, so of
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, God forbid, knock on wood better than ever
Speaker 1: passed away and then rose again and was zombie Dolly Parton.
Speaker 1: And then we all made churches and we drank the
Speaker 1: blood of Dolly Parton and ate little tiny pieces of
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, like the Catholic Church. Like that's some weird world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eating Dolly maybe not so like, but like people do
Speaker 1: that in the Catholic Church. I've eaten the body and
Speaker 1: blood of Christ. I was talking about this someone earlier,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about how you're yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, that is, But there's just some really violent
Speaker 1: imagery in in in religion. And I don't do you
Speaker 1: know that Dolly Parton could as easily as anyone. Of course,
Speaker 1: she never asked anyone to follow her. That's the thing. Like,
Speaker 1: there's something about Dolly Parton. Um, what about her band?
Speaker 1: What about her band? They need to follow her? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like so it's kind of like her apostles, that's true,
Speaker 1: spreading the good word of Dolly. Let's hope they never
Speaker 1: have a last supper onto her though Dolly needs to
Speaker 1: live forever. God, I want to now make a painting
Speaker 1: of her and her band as the last supper. I think.
Speaker 1: I think I'm onto like starting a religion about Dolly Parton.
Speaker 1: Is where I'm headed with this conversation. I think that's
Speaker 1: where I'm steering this conversation, is that I'm on top
Speaker 1: of our lama. I don't know, God, that's really funny.
Speaker 1: You're a funny guy. Thank you. I'm here all night, folks.
Speaker 1: I guess my weird ass backdrop in the midst of
Speaker 1: stalking you in my younger years. But now see now
Speaker 1: you love me, so now it's love. Now it's not stalking.
Speaker 1: Its yeah, stock folds and you get a free piano. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you stop ben faults, he'll give you a piano.
Speaker 1: You know. Kurt Vonnegut's last book was called Man Without
Speaker 1: a Country. I mean, I think it's really funny. As
Speaker 1: I know, for some reason, I feel like dudes of
Speaker 1: my age and older tend to like him more than
Speaker 1: I forget which book I have one inside the most
Speaker 1: famous what's his most famous book, Cat's Cradle movie? Yes,
Speaker 1: that one, and then there was an I have like
Speaker 1: two inside, and I like remember liking them, but my
Speaker 1: memories a social So no, I'm with you, and I'm
Speaker 1: not a big I don't really like talk about books
Speaker 1: that much because one, I don't read as much as
Speaker 1: as as I should. And uh, secondly, I really hate
Speaker 1: when people bring up books because if someone hasn't read something,
Speaker 1: then that they feel dumber. And it's just you not
Speaker 1: only can read, but you wrote a whole book and
Speaker 1: it was a New York Times bestseller. Well, thank you,
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, And that's the thing about being a musician.
Speaker 1: You can. You can. You can write a book and
Speaker 1: have an unfair advantage over great writers. You are a
Speaker 1: great writer. Shut your fail thank you. But you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, I think a book is
Speaker 1: one way of getting information and it's beautiful. A movie
Speaker 1: it's a great way to get information, and living is
Speaker 1: a great way to get inform or so. But all
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is that is it. Kurt Bonninger
Speaker 1: wrote this little tiny book right before he died called
Speaker 1: Man Without a Country, and he tells you the meaning
Speaker 1: of life in that book. He does, Yeah, the meaning
Speaker 1: of life is you're here to farting around. Well, then
Speaker 1: I am doing a fucking great you're you're you're killing it.
Speaker 1: I am smashing life. Yes, Oh my god, I won.
Speaker 1: I wanted life. You one. Do you want to have
Speaker 1: someone putting in a little morning talk radio show fully
Speaker 1: like bingers and stuff. Yeah, put one in. Just just
Speaker 1: smash it. When you say that ding ding ding, smash
Speaker 1: crash and applause, applause. It'll go here. One of the
Speaker 1: first time I ever saw you live, you were on
Speaker 1: like chat Roulette, which was like the first version of
Speaker 1: like sexy what how do you describe chat Roulette. It's
Speaker 1: like you go on the internet and you have a
Speaker 1: video of yourself and you like, well, it was a
Speaker 1: random it was a random chat room, one on one
Speaker 1: chat room where you just forward it and you would
Speaker 1: just find yourself speaking to a stranger. Yes, so that
Speaker 1: was that was the That was the catch. It was
Speaker 1: like and this kid who was fifteen years old, Russian
Speaker 1: Russian teenager and his father invented and marketed this. I
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. I met them and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and so this was but this was like two thousand
Speaker 1: and what five sight, I don't remember. I just remember
Speaker 1: thinking it was like absolutely genius and hilarious because you
Speaker 1: were on stage on chat Roulette. Yeah, singing songs at
Speaker 1: people on chat Roulette, projecting it onto like huge, massive screens.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, these people have no idea
Speaker 1: that they're like on a screen in front of thousands
Speaker 1: of people and you're singing to them about whatever they wanted.
Speaker 1: Is the funniest shit I've ever seen. That was an
Speaker 1: interesting moment. The thing is is chat Roulette came out,
Speaker 1: and as we started to find with the Internet, any
Speaker 1: platform like that was going to be naive and innocent
Speaker 1: for about a week. Oh, just going to be full
Speaker 1: of down. That was just gonna be it. Well, that
Speaker 1: was my question. Did you get like, did you accidentally
Speaker 1: in the middle of shows be doing that bit where
Speaker 1: you're like Chatroulette time and you just get dicks? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and it's it's interesting because I knew that
Speaker 1: was probably going to happen, because we'd sort of tested it,
Speaker 1: you know, to see what was going to happen. And
Speaker 1: so you probably don't remember this, but I told the
Speaker 1: audience that I was going to be putting a screen
Speaker 1: up in about two songs. And although you come and
Speaker 1: you hear ships and fox and you're used to that,
Speaker 1: and that's part of the brand. And that's okay. You
Speaker 1: didn't know that you're coming to a show to see
Speaker 1: guys whip their dicks out. That's probably gonna happen. So
Speaker 1: if you don't want to see it, you don't want
Speaker 1: your kids to see it, please God, get them out
Speaker 1: in the lobby, right children, Yeah, your children, because they're
Speaker 1: coming for you. They come and get you. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and of course it did happen, and you saw
Speaker 1: one of I only did that for three shows, so
Speaker 1: you saw really, oh my god, it was genius, Like
Speaker 1: you one of the greatest things I've ever seen on stage.
Speaker 1: You know what's what's weird about that you can relate
Speaker 1: to this as a perform I'm sure you have these things,
Speaker 1: these moments where okay, you know, like when you start
Speaker 1: out and you know that if you play your songs,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. But if you play other people's
Speaker 1: songs also that everyone's gonna love it. Oh yeah. And
Speaker 1: there's certain things that that that are always going to
Speaker 1: be like that, no matter how much people are they
Speaker 1: to see your thing, there's always going to be something
Speaker 1: else that they get really interested in. And it feels
Speaker 1: funny to know that there's that that. That's true. This
Speaker 1: was like that, Like I could have just done chat
Speaker 1: Roulette for the rest of the I did it for
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a night, three nights. That's it's you saw.
Speaker 1: You saw one of the forty five minutes of my
Speaker 1: entire um. Yeah, it was. Why did you do it, Nip,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I didn't well, I felt it
Speaker 1: get old. Oh, just felt it would get old. I
Speaker 1: mean my favorite guy was the guy was on the toilet.
Speaker 1: I mean these the and and we and we got
Speaker 1: him twice and dude to his toilet roll and everything.
Speaker 1: He's just sitting there on the toilet and I sang
Speaker 1: a song for him, and he was so into it
Speaker 1: because he could see all the people in the audience
Speaker 1: on his screen and it just had no idea why
Speaker 1: he's sitting on the toilet, and like, there we go.
Speaker 1: I love him. What a free spirit. Uh, that's what
Speaker 1: I thought about this guy too. I had a name
Speaker 1: from I can't remember. And then there was this guy
Speaker 1: that was sitting there with a bottle of tequila, no
Speaker 1: shirt and these horns on his head. That's what people
Speaker 1: are doing. Oh. I was in Brazil one night after
Speaker 1: seeing your show. I was my first tour, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I thought of you, and
Speaker 1: I was like, there's this thing where you can just
Speaker 1: go on the internet and like chat roulette people. So
Speaker 1: my whole band was there and all my friends and
Speaker 1: we're all just like ship faced, and all we got
Speaker 1: were dicks. It was just a giant scrolling dick pick. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the thing is is too that I filmed
Speaker 1: those shows right before it. Before that, it was just
Speaker 1: like commercial break day. It was like you know, every
Speaker 1: once in a while, you you'd see and be like
Speaker 1: and you saw it coming. You're like, oh, here it comes,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, well you try to forward it.
Speaker 1: You try to forward it on because I had the
Speaker 1: laptop on my piano. So as as as soon as
Speaker 1: I saw the ZIPRAs like being but we got, we
Speaker 1: we got. We got flashed. A few times, I like,
Speaker 1: does that still exist? I think that it does. We
Speaker 1: a couple of times looked into maybe you know, doing
Speaker 1: a reunion tour. Please, oh my god, please. It was
Speaker 1: so funny. It's it's not a platform that you can
Speaker 1: really navigate easily now, like it's it's all about that.
Speaker 1: They just went totally there like people aren't on it
Speaker 1: because then there were a lot of innocent people on
Speaker 1: it who were just wanting to know what was going on,
Speaker 1: and you could just see anything. There was these couple
Speaker 1: of kids. It looked like they were in Italy and
Speaker 1: they were So there's just a cute pair of like
Speaker 1: teenage dudes just having a good time. Want, Wow, what's this?
Speaker 1: You don't see that anymore? Why are we all such
Speaker 1: trash perverts on this planet? I don't know. Remember tabot
Speaker 1: is that like a tomagotchi? I guess we've both get
Speaker 1: each other with mystery references. What's what? What's what's tamagotchi?
Speaker 1: The little creature that's a key chain they have to
Speaker 1: take care of like it's a baby or it dies
Speaker 1: and screams. Who wants that? Is it kind of like AI?
Speaker 1: It's like from the nineties AI that like would be
Speaker 1: on your key chain and it would like die if
Speaker 1: you didn't press a button. I don't know what's fun
Speaker 1: about that. I guess people have like a certain amount
Speaker 1: of dependency they need. That's why people want pets and
Speaker 1: people and other people pets. Well, you have children, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: as someone who doesn't have children, yet and I'm like
Speaker 1: still deciding if that's in my cards. Did you think
Speaker 1: about it too much before you had kids, or do
Speaker 1: you just like you're like, I'm I'm doing it. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna have no okay. I I felt, you know,
Speaker 1: you can probably relate to this as soon as you
Speaker 1: you you became famous or younger, and um, I became
Speaker 1: less famous or older. And I found it almost, um
Speaker 1: unbearably weird. And and I can't imagine if I if
Speaker 1: that had happened to me or for me younger, how
Speaker 1: I would have dealt. But one of the ways that
Speaker 1: I dealt at my ripe age of thirty years old,
Speaker 1: as I realized that now I walk into places and
Speaker 1: and uh people uh know me that at that point
Speaker 1: I started really having terrible thoughts about myself. I was vapid,
Speaker 1: only lived for the wrong things. I was a machine.
Speaker 1: I just said what people wanted to hear. I was
Speaker 1: vain all the stuff that goes through your head. And
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what the solution of this is
Speaker 1: is to have kids and to think about someone else
Speaker 1: instead of me. And within two months of that thought, um,
Speaker 1: I've met the kid's mother. And within a year of
Speaker 1: that we had kids. Did it make you feel because
Speaker 1: like I feel that way if I'm playing a show
Speaker 1: and I'm like voguing in the mirror myself and like
Speaker 1: complaining about whatever stupid ship I'm complaining about. But it's
Speaker 1: important in that moment to put it because you have
Speaker 1: to be like maybe you don't have to be, but
Speaker 1: I'm like a control freak on like a macro level.
Speaker 1: And then like then you go big pictures and then
Speaker 1: you like make sure the nails look good, make sure
Speaker 1: the guitar matches the outfit, and make sure your spaceship
Speaker 1: fits on the stage is thirty ft long, and make
Speaker 1: sure the lasers hit the back of the like all
Speaker 1: of that ship. So in that moment, to make sure
Speaker 1: my spaceship is all spect out. You get it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get it. We'll see you're focusing on By focusing
Speaker 1: on your spaceship a little bit, you've taken the flashlight
Speaker 1: off of yourself. I guess. No, I think you're fully narcissistic.
Speaker 1: It's such a narcissistic job. Oh my god, I'm here.
Speaker 1: You get it, but you get it, like like I mean,
Speaker 1: anyone's gonna have to Here's I think the thing is
Speaker 1: is that in some ways, well, one, you grew up
Speaker 1: closer to the entertainment business by far than most people did,
Speaker 1: so that demystified some of it perhaps for you. Do
Speaker 1: you think yeah, I think, yeah, totally. But I do
Speaker 1: think it's also like, I think there's an element of people,
Speaker 1: and myself included that think if I reach fame and fortune,
Speaker 1: that all of any hole in my heart or confusion
Speaker 1: or worry in the world it'll go away. It'll be
Speaker 1: fixed if I get famous and rich and achieved. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was asking about kids, because my
Speaker 1: mom keeps being like, to have kids, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: fuck you, mom, but so but I might. I just
Speaker 1: like I haven't decided yet, and it's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But there's something about oh, like, once you achieve the
Speaker 1: things you think are going to fill the void of
Speaker 1: everything in your life and it doesn't do that, then
Speaker 1: it's really confusing because you're like ship that was supposed
Speaker 1: to like fix everything and make everything perfect, and then
Speaker 1: I I worked really hard and I did it, and
Speaker 1: then like, but I still feel all these like weird
Speaker 1: existential crises, feelings and sometimes anxiety and sometimes depressed and
Speaker 1: sometimes super insecure and all of these things that I
Speaker 1: thought if you were like famous, or if you had
Speaker 1: a record that did really well, or if you're on
Speaker 1: the cover of Rolling Stone like you wouldn't you wouldn't
Speaker 1: feel those ways, and you totally do. And then that's
Speaker 1: when the real existential crisis set in and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, if that didn't make me feel like whole,
Speaker 1: then then I started like, that's kind of when the
Speaker 1: spirituality side of like mystical. And it's interesting that you
Speaker 1: say that because I kind of actually and now feeling
Speaker 1: like you can button you can come back to the
Speaker 1: spirituality conversation we were having earlier through this, because it's
Speaker 1: very similar. Like like I was saying, if if you
Speaker 1: are okay with some mystery, yeah, that's the same with
Speaker 1: being okay with the things that you'll never have. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a metaphor for that thing. So so people
Speaker 1: are in another metaphor would be hunger, like you can't
Speaker 1: eat everything and sometimes you're starving. But it doesn't make
Speaker 1: everything okay just to go around and eat, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't make everything okay to know everything, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: make everything okay to have kids or any What makes it, Okay,
Speaker 1: is the biggest mystery of all time, which is just
Speaker 1: that balance between being curious enough, being hungry enough, being
Speaker 1: ignorant enough, frustrated enough to propel you through your day,
Speaker 1: but being okay with the things that you don't have
Speaker 1: and you don't know enough. So if all I wanted
Speaker 1: in life was to be famous, and that's all I wanted,
Speaker 1: and I just went for it, I'd be putting all
Speaker 1: my eggs in that basket when it happens. What else
Speaker 1: do you want them to be more famous? Er than who?
Speaker 1: Elvis or Jesus or Dolly Parton? Because those are the
Speaker 1: three big ones, and Elvira and then six of us
Speaker 1: in an elite group. That's it. Okay, that would be
Speaker 1: a great, um supergroup. I'm just throwing it out there.
Speaker 1: Um And yes, I agree. When you focus so much
Speaker 1: on something to put all your eggs in that basket,
Speaker 1: and then if you achieve some semblance of it, then
Speaker 1: you realize that like, oh mm hmm, you're right. I
Speaker 1: do think maybe that the like the point of life
Speaker 1: is to me, it's about staying open heartedly curious. Also,
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to find humor and things
Speaker 1: because everything is so funcked. So if we don't have humor,
Speaker 1: like the detachment that that I'm talking about, that's just
Speaker 1: going because humor is like to me, is associated with
Speaker 1: the absurdity that you'll never know. That's the street part.
Speaker 1: You just laugh at its like fuck it, because what
Speaker 1: else are you gonna do If you can't laugh at
Speaker 1: certain things, like, we're all just gonna sit in the
Speaker 1: feudal position and cry hysterically, or at least I would.
Speaker 1: So I have to like make songs about things and
Speaker 1: try to make it funny. I love that's one of
Speaker 1: that has always been one of my favorite components to
Speaker 1: what I think is a great songwriting voice that you have.
Speaker 1: You have a very very unique voice of songwriting that
Speaker 1: is probably uh probably underappreciated, though I don't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to guess that. I think people appreciate how good
Speaker 1: you are, but you do other things so that can
Speaker 1: all get There's a lot of stories going on, uh
Speaker 1: with you. But but my my point is is that
Speaker 1: your humor is never detached from something beneath it, like
Speaker 1: it's always part of life. That's how I feel about
Speaker 1: you too, though, And your songwriting. Yeah, so I feel
Speaker 1: about you. You influenced me a lot. I think through
Speaker 1: that because your songs are so beautiful and I love
Speaker 1: them and they're emotional, but they're fucking funny, like you
Speaker 1: and John Prime, you know what I mean, Like Dylan
Speaker 1: Neil Young some of my favorite t Rex Like, there's humor,
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's not just like, it's not
Speaker 1: a joke song. It's a really beautiful song, but it's
Speaker 1: finding the humor of life along with the other emotions
Speaker 1: to make a song that has all of the emotions.
Speaker 1: I love that, I think, and I think you've managed
Speaker 1: to do it without people feeling that they were novelty songs.
Speaker 1: And that's a real tough thing to do. When you
Speaker 1: put humor in something, suddenly it tweaks something in the
Speaker 1: listener that they can often feel it's a it's a
Speaker 1: novelty song, but she'll drop stuff in. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: think you were fortunate to have the first big hit
Speaker 1: that you had because it had so many funny, funny
Speaker 1: parts in it, so that opened people up to the
Speaker 1: possibility that you would do more of that. You know. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I've never psychoanalyzed my career like that, but thank you.
Speaker 1: I think m hmm, absolutely, because I look up to you.
Speaker 1: I look up to you. I do look up to you.
Speaker 1: You helped shape the songwriter I am. That's awesome. You
Speaker 1: my mom and Dolly Parton and then you and then
Speaker 1: we've got the mount rushmore of all things important on
Speaker 1: my list of things you like, it says lightning bugs.
Speaker 1: That was sort of that came from a dream when
Speaker 1: I was very, very very young. Uh. And the dream
Speaker 1: was that, um and this is the title of my book,
Speaker 1: is a dream about lightning books and the and the
Speaker 1: reason for the the metaphor behind it was that in
Speaker 1: the dream, lightning bugs were lighting up around the backyard,
Speaker 1: and I was with a whole bunch of other kids,
Speaker 1: but I was the only one that could see the
Speaker 1: lightning bugs. And when I would point them out, then
Speaker 1: the other kids would be, yeah, there's lightning bugs. And
Speaker 1: I would put them in jars and pass them out.
Speaker 1: I was the fucking that was the man. Everyone loved
Speaker 1: me and my own dream. I was the I was
Speaker 1: the hero. But as I got older and I remembered
Speaker 1: the dream, it never forgot that dream when I started
Speaker 1: realizing about it. What was so good about the the
Speaker 1: imagery was that that's what an artist is supposed to do.
Speaker 1: An artist is supposed to see something that flickers that
Speaker 1: other people haven't had the time to notice, and they're
Speaker 1: supposed to bottle it. The other reason that I felt
Speaker 1: the metaphor worked is because not everyone sees the same thing.
Speaker 1: So to say that I had some superpower because I
Speaker 1: saw lightning bugs would be a misinterpretation of my own dream.
Speaker 1: We will be more fair would be to say that
Speaker 1: the other kids, maybe we're noticing stars, blades of grass.
Speaker 1: The parents over on the other side car lights, other things,
Speaker 1: the temperature, they would notice other things. If if you
Speaker 1: see spaces, you become an architect. I don't walk into
Speaker 1: a field and see a space and see materials and
Speaker 1: imagine are being constructed. I walk into a field and
Speaker 1: here melody. So that's the firefly that I see. Other
Speaker 1: people see other things, and so I think that the
Speaker 1: job of an artist is to notice what they're attracted
Speaker 1: to that no one else noticed, and spend your time
Speaker 1: crafting it and bottling it so that others can live
Speaker 1: that moment in the way that you lived it. M M.
Speaker 1: I absolutely, I'm obsessed with that. And that's like the
Speaker 1: most eloquent way to put what I've been trying to
Speaker 1: say for a very long time him, thank you. Well,
Speaker 1: it's hard to put into words because one I think
Speaker 1: that the idea that a an artist has some sort
Speaker 1: of mystical superpower would be under selling the rest of
Speaker 1: the human race. Everyone walks into the world and has
Speaker 1: a different perception and sees something that glows for them.
Speaker 1: You don't have to spend all your time bottling it
Speaker 1: if you want to do something else with your life,
Speaker 1: but you shouldn't ignore it. Yes, that's like if you're
Speaker 1: lightning bug is like cooking. That could be a hobby.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be your job. But I do
Speaker 1: feel like every so this is something that I've decided
Speaker 1: is true, but I also might decide it's untrue in
Speaker 1: like three days. So that I think that everyone is
Speaker 1: an artist. I think everyone is an artist if you
Speaker 1: take the time or like have the desire to exp Laura,
Speaker 1: I think we all have a place to be artistic,
Speaker 1: and it can look super different for everybody. Like what
Speaker 1: you're saying, like what you've noticed in the world, like
Speaker 1: an architects these spaces, and I'm like you. When people
Speaker 1: are talking it's a really weird thing. Like someone will
Speaker 1: be saying something to me and I'm trying to listen.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a total assholt, but I
Speaker 1: just start hearing them in song, like what they're saying.
Speaker 1: We'll start going into a song and then I'll start
Speaker 1: going like this and saying what they just said. It
Speaker 1: mean but it a melody, and I'm like a crazy person,
Speaker 1: and they're looking at me talking to me, and I'm
Speaker 1: like singing what they're saying to me at their face. See,
Speaker 1: now should you do? Uh my little podcast? Normally what
Speaker 1: I do is exactly what you're talking about. I'll talk
Speaker 1: to the guest and say, it's an anthropologist. And I
Speaker 1: talked to an anthropologist who is a he's a primatologist
Speaker 1: who wrote a book called The Creative Spark about creativity
Speaker 1: and evolution and and how people would not have survived
Speaker 1: without ideas and creativity and where that is in the
Speaker 1: brain and and all the all all this stuff that
Speaker 1: that he knows. He knows from his you know, from
Speaker 1: being scientists. Um. And he talked about specifically cooking as
Speaker 1: being one of the first creative endeavors that people have.
Speaker 1: But while he's talking I'm sitting there thinking about his
Speaker 1: pitches and how he's speaking and the things that he's saying.
Speaker 1: So my job during the podcast is to turn that
Speaker 1: into a song. So I've I've made a song with
Speaker 1: an anthropologist, with a music therapist, a tap dancer, um,
Speaker 1: a software developer. We made like an old uh. We
Speaker 1: made like an old ink spots style song. I have
Speaker 1: no idea what that means. The ink spots were that
Speaker 1: we're almost kind of prey. They were redo op and
Speaker 1: it was like almost acapella. Uh and and the guy
Speaker 1: with the guy would speak like you goo ding ding dinging,
Speaker 1: don't and didn't you go I know, baby, because sometimes
Speaker 1: life is tough, you know, Like he was the first
Speaker 1: guy to like talk at you in a recording the
Speaker 1: way that they started doing later. That's the ink spots.
Speaker 1: So I turned this guy and anyway, all that a
Speaker 1: long way of saying is I I completely understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Someone's talking to you, and you're you're just
Speaker 1: you're you're creating a song or pieces of songs from
Speaker 1: what they're saying. And that's why I'm doing in the
Speaker 1: podcast is I'm gonna do that, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: rude out in public, so I may as well do it. Uh,
Speaker 1: But when we do it for purpose, yes, when you
Speaker 1: when we do mine, we'll do it the other way
Speaker 1: and you can make us. You can make the song
Speaker 1: out of what I'm saying, or we can just sing
Speaker 1: at each other's face, just singing at each other, have
Speaker 1: a so just you see and annoying and fun. And
Speaker 1: you've got that. You've got the broader pipes too. I'm
Speaker 1: louder some volume, and that's amazing. I'll drown your ass out.
Speaker 1: It's not even close. I started too. I took a
Speaker 1: few vocal lessons to just learn how it is that
Speaker 1: people make their voice loud, like people like you, and
Speaker 1: I think I think you're born from my mother, who's
Speaker 1: very loud. And then everyone in the house just yells
Speaker 1: all the time, and there's like twelve dogs barking. So
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to know anything, you just have to
Speaker 1: yell really loud. And then you learn how to protect.
Speaker 1: Your brother doesn't seem loud, he's still loud talker. Like
Speaker 1: when he's on the phone, he'll be like, let's I'll
Speaker 1: be talking like bro. Yeah, Well there's technique to it too,
Speaker 1: as as I learned, it's releasing the seeing some muscles
Speaker 1: so that it can just resonate. And I never really
Speaker 1: know about that. I mean, you don't have to if
Speaker 1: you do my job. It's like I just because I
Speaker 1: use that they've voice like there, that's the way I
Speaker 1: was seeing you. Well that is a sexy voice. But
Speaker 1: you can have that kind of sexy voice and then
Speaker 1: if you open your throat and then you just like
Speaker 1: let the highest note come out. This is a game
Speaker 1: I love to play. Usually those get muted with me
Speaker 1: in that in that situation. Oh ship, that's not a
Speaker 1: very pretty note. Let me try to find a good one.
Speaker 1: It's a hormone. Oh shit, he just busted the glass
Speaker 1: out of my room. You're gonna have to pay for that.
Speaker 1: Kesha on that note, you just you just you just
Speaker 1: wrapped it up. You just buttoned up the conversation. But wait,
Speaker 1: how do people find your book? You your podcast? Everything? Well,
Speaker 1: they're going to find my podcast because anyone who's listening
Speaker 1: to this, because when you do it, they'll they'll they'll
Speaker 1: know that you've done it, so they can find it there.
Speaker 1: It's called lightning bugs. But they don't have to watch
Speaker 1: it and listen to it until you do it. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, everyone good listen to Lightning Bugs and I
Speaker 1: will do because I'm going to be on it. Yeah
Speaker 1: yeah that and I've it's been so fun making songs
Speaker 1: with people. I just I just mixed my song I
Speaker 1: did with Bob Saget. Oh my god, he was singing
Speaker 1: about his prostate. It's a good song. I it's I
Speaker 1: took a whole week, recorded all the instruments, got it,
Speaker 1: got it just so. And it's like shoegazing nineties rock.
Speaker 1: So shure, it's beautiful. It's I think it's sad. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's melancholy. I love that. Okay, I'm going to check
Speaker 1: it out. So just wherever you listen to podcasts where
Speaker 1: podcast Yeah yeah, and and and and be sure to
Speaker 1: buy my new cookies I have. I have a line
Speaker 1: of soap. I'm selling soap. I'm selling um I make
Speaker 1: it here in in in my tub. I've gotta get
Speaker 1: i gotta get rich. I don't know if you're lying,
Speaker 1: but I'm not telling the truth. I was about to
Speaker 1: be like, I love soap, let's go. I need someone
Speaker 1: who was selling records and soap at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't really make sense of that. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't bathe that much, so it doesn't make sense to me. Okay, everybody,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. People over bathe, fuck it, I'm agree.
Speaker 1: Don't so much better after you know, a few days.
Speaker 1: That's a dirty, that's a gross gross. And also I
Speaker 1: took a ship while we were talking, you did. I
Speaker 1: knew it. I fucking knew it. He pooped. I told
Speaker 1: the world too, called it side cock. I'll see you soon.
Speaker 1: I hope I'll be on your stuff. Yeah, well you don't.
Speaker 1: All this is going out raw like this, no uncut
Speaker 1: and raw, uncut, unbathed poop talk with Kesha. Oh, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a funny one. Good job, good good job,
Speaker 1: you know what. We'll ended on this. My best friend
Speaker 1: was growing up. His parents called taking a poop a
Speaker 1: good job? Did you do a good job? I did
Speaker 1: a good job, and he did such a good job today.
Speaker 1: I did a good job. All right, thank you made
Speaker 1: me go away. I'll talk all night. Okay, see you're
Speaker 1: doing goodbye? All right? Too good to see? What do
Speaker 1: I press on this thing to get out of you? Time?
Speaker 1: Time won one