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Speaker 1: I forget which book I have one inside the most

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00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: famous what's his most famous book, Cat's Cradle movie? Yes,

425
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: that one, and then there was an I have like

426
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: two inside, and I like remember liking them, but my

427
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: memories a social So no, I'm with you, and I'm

428
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: not a big I don't really like talk about books

429
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: that much because one, I don't read as much as

430
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: as as I should. And uh, secondly, I really hate

431
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: when people bring up books because if someone hasn't read something,

432
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: then that they feel dumber. And it's just you not

433
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: only can read, but you wrote a whole book and

434
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: it was a New York Times bestseller. Well, thank you,

435
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, And that's the thing about being a musician.

436
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: You can. You can. You can write a book and

437
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: have an unfair advantage over great writers. You are a

438
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: great writer. Shut your fail thank you. But you know

439
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, I think a book is

440
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: one way of getting information and it's beautiful. A movie

441
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: it's a great way to get information, and living is

442
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: a great way to get inform or so. But all

443
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is that is it. Kurt Bonninger

444
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: wrote this little tiny book right before he died called

445
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: Man Without a Country, and he tells you the meaning

446
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: of life in that book. He does, Yeah, the meaning

447
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: of life is you're here to farting around. Well, then

448
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: I am doing a fucking great you're you're you're killing it.

449
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: I am smashing life. Yes, Oh my god, I won.

450
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I wanted life. You one. Do you want to have

451
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: someone putting in a little morning talk radio show fully

452
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: like bingers and stuff. Yeah, put one in. Just just

453
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: smash it. When you say that ding ding ding, smash

454
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: crash and applause, applause. It'll go here. One of the

455
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: first time I ever saw you live, you were on

456
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: like chat Roulette, which was like the first version of

457
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: like sexy what how do you describe chat Roulette. It's

458
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: like you go on the internet and you have a

459
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: video of yourself and you like, well, it was a

460
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: random it was a random chat room, one on one

461
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: chat room where you just forward it and you would

462
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: just find yourself speaking to a stranger. Yes, so that

463
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: was that was the That was the catch. It was

464
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: like and this kid who was fifteen years old, Russian

465
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: Russian teenager and his father invented and marketed this. I

466
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. I met them and uh yeah,

467
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: and so this was but this was like two thousand

468
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: and what five sight, I don't remember. I just remember

469
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: thinking it was like absolutely genius and hilarious because you

470
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: were on stage on chat Roulette. Yeah, singing songs at

471
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: people on chat Roulette, projecting it onto like huge, massive screens.

472
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, these people have no idea

473
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: that they're like on a screen in front of thousands

474
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: of people and you're singing to them about whatever they wanted.

475
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: Is the funniest shit I've ever seen. That was an

476
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: interesting moment. The thing is is chat Roulette came out,

477
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: and as we started to find with the Internet, any

478
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: platform like that was going to be naive and innocent

479
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: for about a week. Oh, just going to be full

480
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: of down. That was just gonna be it. Well, that

481
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: was my question. Did you get like, did you accidentally

482
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of shows be doing that bit where

483
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: you're like Chatroulette time and you just get dicks? Yeah? Yeah,

484
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: and and and it's it's interesting because I knew that

485
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: was probably going to happen, because we'd sort of tested it,

486
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, to see what was going to happen. And

487
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: so you probably don't remember this, but I told the

488
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: audience that I was going to be putting a screen

489
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: up in about two songs. And although you come and

490
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: you hear ships and fox and you're used to that,

491
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: and that's part of the brand. And that's okay. You

492
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: didn't know that you're coming to a show to see

493
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: guys whip their dicks out. That's probably gonna happen. So

494
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: if you don't want to see it, you don't want

495
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: your kids to see it, please God, get them out

496
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: in the lobby, right children, Yeah, your children, because they're

497
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: coming for you. They come and get you. Um. Yeah.

498
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: And and of course it did happen, and you saw

499
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: one of I only did that for three shows, so

500
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: you saw really, oh my god, it was genius, Like

501
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: you one of the greatest things I've ever seen on stage.

502
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: You know what's what's weird about that you can relate

503
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: to this as a perform I'm sure you have these things,

504
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: these moments where okay, you know, like when you start

505
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: out and you know that if you play your songs,

506
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: that's what you do. But if you play other people's

507
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: songs also that everyone's gonna love it. Oh yeah. And

508
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: there's certain things that that that are always going to

509
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: be like that, no matter how much people are they

510
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: to see your thing, there's always going to be something

511
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: else that they get really interested in. And it feels

512
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: funny to know that there's that that. That's true. This

513
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: was like that, Like I could have just done chat

514
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Roulette for the rest of the I did it for

515
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a night, three nights. That's it's you saw.

516
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: You saw one of the forty five minutes of my

517
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: entire um. Yeah, it was. Why did you do it, Nip,

518
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know where I didn't well, I felt it

519
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: get old. Oh, just felt it would get old. I

520
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: mean my favorite guy was the guy was on the toilet.

521
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean these the and and we and we got

522
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: him twice and dude to his toilet roll and everything.

523
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: He's just sitting there on the toilet and I sang

524
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: a song for him, and he was so into it

525
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: because he could see all the people in the audience

526
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: on his screen and it just had no idea why

527
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: he's sitting on the toilet, and like, there we go.

528
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: I love him. What a free spirit. Uh, that's what

529
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: I thought about this guy too. I had a name

530
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: from I can't remember. And then there was this guy

531
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: that was sitting there with a bottle of tequila, no

532
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: shirt and these horns on his head. That's what people

533
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: are doing. Oh. I was in Brazil one night after

534
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: seeing your show. I was my first tour, and I

535
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I thought of you, and

536
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: I was like, there's this thing where you can just

537
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: go on the internet and like chat roulette people. So

538
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: my whole band was there and all my friends and

539
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: we're all just like ship faced, and all we got

540
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: were dicks. It was just a giant scrolling dick pick. Yeah. Well,

541
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: I think the thing is is too that I filmed

542
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: those shows right before it. Before that, it was just

543
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: like commercial break day. It was like you know, every

544
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: once in a while, you you'd see and be like

545
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: and you saw it coming. You're like, oh, here it comes,

546
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, well you try to forward it.

547
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: You try to forward it on because I had the

548
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: laptop on my piano. So as as as soon as

549
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: I saw the ZIPRAs like being but we got, we

550
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: we got. We got flashed. A few times, I like,

551
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: does that still exist? I think that it does. We

552
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: a couple of times looked into maybe you know, doing

553
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: a reunion tour. Please, oh my god, please. It was

554
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: so funny. It's it's not a platform that you can

555
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: really navigate easily now, like it's it's all about that.

556
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: They just went totally there like people aren't on it

557
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: because then there were a lot of innocent people on

558
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: it who were just wanting to know what was going on,

559
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: and you could just see anything. There was these couple

560
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: of kids. It looked like they were in Italy and

561
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: they were So there's just a cute pair of like

562
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: teenage dudes just having a good time. Want, Wow, what's this?

563
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: You don't see that anymore? Why are we all such

564
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: trash perverts on this planet? I don't know. Remember tabot

565
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: is that like a tomagotchi? I guess we've both get

566
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: each other with mystery references. What's what? What's what's tamagotchi?

567
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: The little creature that's a key chain they have to

568
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: take care of like it's a baby or it dies

569
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: and screams. Who wants that? Is it kind of like AI?

570
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: It's like from the nineties AI that like would be

571
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: on your key chain and it would like die if

572
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: you didn't press a button. I don't know what's fun

573
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: about that. I guess people have like a certain amount

574
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: of dependency they need. That's why people want pets and

575
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: people and other people pets. Well, you have children, yeah, Well,

576
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: as someone who doesn't have children, yet and I'm like

577
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: still deciding if that's in my cards. Did you think

578
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: about it too much before you had kids, or do

579
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: you just like you're like, I'm I'm doing it. I'm

580
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: just gonna have no okay. I I felt, you know,

581
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: you can probably relate to this as soon as you

582
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: you you became famous or younger, and um, I became

583
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: less famous or older. And I found it almost, um

584
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: unbearably weird. And and I can't imagine if I if

585
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: that had happened to me or for me younger, how

586
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: I would have dealt. But one of the ways that

587
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I dealt at my ripe age of thirty years old,

588
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: as I realized that now I walk into places and

589
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: and uh people uh know me that at that point

590
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: I started really having terrible thoughts about myself. I was vapid,

591
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: only lived for the wrong things. I was a machine.

592
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: I just said what people wanted to hear. I was

593
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: vain all the stuff that goes through your head. And

594
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what the solution of this is

595
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: is to have kids and to think about someone else

596
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: instead of me. And within two months of that thought, um,

597
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: I've met the kid's mother. And within a year of

598
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: that we had kids. Did it make you feel because

599
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: like I feel that way if I'm playing a show

600
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like voguing in the mirror myself and like

601
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: complaining about whatever stupid ship I'm complaining about. But it's

602
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: important in that moment to put it because you have

603
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: to be like maybe you don't have to be, but

604
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm like a control freak on like a macro level.

605
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: And then like then you go big pictures and then

606
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: you like make sure the nails look good, make sure

607
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the guitar matches the outfit, and make sure your spaceship

608
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: fits on the stage is thirty ft long, and make

609
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: sure the lasers hit the back of the like all

610
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: of that ship. So in that moment, to make sure

611
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: my spaceship is all spect out. You get it, Yeah,

612
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: you get it. We'll see you're focusing on By focusing

613
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: on your spaceship a little bit, you've taken the flashlight

614
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: off of yourself. I guess. No, I think you're fully narcissistic.

615
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: It's such a narcissistic job. Oh my god, I'm here.

616
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: You get it, but you get it, like like I mean,

617
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: anyone's gonna have to Here's I think the thing is

618
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: is that in some ways, well, one, you grew up

619
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: closer to the entertainment business by far than most people did,

620
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: so that demystified some of it perhaps for you. Do

621
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: you think yeah, I think, yeah, totally. But I do

622
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: think it's also like, I think there's an element of people,

623
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: and myself included that think if I reach fame and fortune,

624
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: that all of any hole in my heart or confusion

625
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: or worry in the world it'll go away. It'll be

626
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: fixed if I get famous and rich and achieved. Yeah.

627
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: So that's why I was asking about kids, because my

628
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: mom keeps being like, to have kids, and I'm like,

629
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: fuck you, mom, but so but I might. I just

630
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: like I haven't decided yet, and it's the whole thing.

631
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: But there's something about oh, like, once you achieve the

632
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: things you think are going to fill the void of

633
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: everything in your life and it doesn't do that, then

634
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: it's really confusing because you're like ship that was supposed

635
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: to like fix everything and make everything perfect, and then

636
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: I I worked really hard and I did it, and

637
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: then like, but I still feel all these like weird

638
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: existential crises, feelings and sometimes anxiety and sometimes depressed and

639
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: sometimes super insecure and all of these things that I

640
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: thought if you were like famous, or if you had

641
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: a record that did really well, or if you're on

642
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: the cover of Rolling Stone like you wouldn't you wouldn't

643
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: feel those ways, and you totally do. And then that's

644
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: when the real existential crisis set in and I was like,

645
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: oh shit, if that didn't make me feel like whole,

646
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: then then I started like, that's kind of when the

647
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: spirituality side of like mystical. And it's interesting that you

648
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: say that because I kind of actually and now feeling

649
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: like you can button you can come back to the

650
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: spirituality conversation we were having earlier through this, because it's

651
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: very similar. Like like I was saying, if if you

652
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: are okay with some mystery, yeah, that's the same with

653
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: being okay with the things that you'll never have. It's

654
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: a it's a metaphor for that thing. So so people

655
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: are in another metaphor would be hunger, like you can't

656
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: eat everything and sometimes you're starving. But it doesn't make

657
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: everything okay just to go around and eat, and it

658
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: doesn't make everything okay to know everything, and it doesn't

659
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: make everything okay to have kids or any What makes it, Okay,

660
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: is the biggest mystery of all time, which is just

661
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: that balance between being curious enough, being hungry enough, being

662
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: ignorant enough, frustrated enough to propel you through your day,

663
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: but being okay with the things that you don't have

664
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: and you don't know enough. So if all I wanted

665
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: in life was to be famous, and that's all I wanted,

666
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: and I just went for it, I'd be putting all

667
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: my eggs in that basket when it happens. What else

668
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: do you want them to be more famous? Er than who?

669
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: Elvis or Jesus or Dolly Parton? Because those are the

670
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: three big ones, and Elvira and then six of us

671
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: in an elite group. That's it. Okay, that would be

672
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: a great, um supergroup. I'm just throwing it out there.

673
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Um And yes, I agree. When you focus so much

674
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: on something to put all your eggs in that basket,

675
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: and then if you achieve some semblance of it, then

676
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: you realize that like, oh mm hmm, you're right. I

677
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: do think maybe that the like the point of life

678
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: is to me, it's about staying open heartedly curious. Also,

679
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to find humor and things

680
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: because everything is so funcked. So if we don't have humor,

681
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: like the detachment that that I'm talking about, that's just

682
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: going because humor is like to me, is associated with

683
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: the absurdity that you'll never know. That's the street part.

684
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: You just laugh at its like fuck it, because what

685
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: else are you gonna do If you can't laugh at

686
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: certain things, like, we're all just gonna sit in the

687
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: feudal position and cry hysterically, or at least I would.

688
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: So I have to like make songs about things and

689
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: try to make it funny. I love that's one of

690
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: that has always been one of my favorite components to

691
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: what I think is a great songwriting voice that you have.

692
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: You have a very very unique voice of songwriting that

693
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: is probably uh probably underappreciated, though I don't I wouldn't

694
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: want to guess that. I think people appreciate how good

695
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: you are, but you do other things so that can

696
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: all get There's a lot of stories going on, uh

697
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: with you. But but my my point is is that

698
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: your humor is never detached from something beneath it, like

699
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 1: it's always part of life. That's how I feel about

700
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: you too, though, And your songwriting. Yeah, so I feel

701
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: about you. You influenced me a lot. I think through

702
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: that because your songs are so beautiful and I love

703
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: them and they're emotional, but they're fucking funny, like you

704
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: and John Prime, you know what I mean, Like Dylan

705
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: Neil Young some of my favorite t Rex Like, there's humor,

706
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's not just like, it's not

707
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: a joke song. It's a really beautiful song, but it's

708
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: finding the humor of life along with the other emotions

709
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: to make a song that has all of the emotions.

710
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: I love that, I think, and I think you've managed

711
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: to do it without people feeling that they were novelty songs.

712
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: And that's a real tough thing to do. When you

713
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: put humor in something, suddenly it tweaks something in the

714
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: listener that they can often feel it's a it's a

715
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: novelty song, but she'll drop stuff in. Uh. And I

716
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: think you were fortunate to have the first big hit

717
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: that you had because it had so many funny, funny

718
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: parts in it, so that opened people up to the

719
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: possibility that you would do more of that. You know. Interesting.

720
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: I've never psychoanalyzed my career like that, but thank you.

721
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I think m hmm, absolutely, because I look up to you.

722
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: I look up to you. I do look up to you.

723
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: You helped shape the songwriter I am. That's awesome. You

724
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: my mom and Dolly Parton and then you and then

725
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: we've got the mount rushmore of all things important on

726
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: my list of things you like, it says lightning bugs.

727
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: That was sort of that came from a dream when

728
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: I was very, very very young. Uh. And the dream

729
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: was that, um and this is the title of my book,

730
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: is a dream about lightning books and the and the

731
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: reason for the the metaphor behind it was that in

732
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: the dream, lightning bugs were lighting up around the backyard,

733
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: and I was with a whole bunch of other kids,

734
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: but I was the only one that could see the

735
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: lightning bugs. And when I would point them out, then

736
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: the other kids would be, yeah, there's lightning bugs. And

737
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: I would put them in jars and pass them out.

738
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: I was the fucking that was the man. Everyone loved

739
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: me and my own dream. I was the I was

740
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: the hero. But as I got older and I remembered

741
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: the dream, it never forgot that dream when I started

742
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: realizing about it. What was so good about the the

743
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: imagery was that that's what an artist is supposed to do.

744
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: An artist is supposed to see something that flickers that

745
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: other people haven't had the time to notice, and they're

746
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: supposed to bottle it. The other reason that I felt

747
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: the metaphor worked is because not everyone sees the same thing.

748
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: So to say that I had some superpower because I

749
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: saw lightning bugs would be a misinterpretation of my own dream.

750
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: We will be more fair would be to say that

751
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: the other kids, maybe we're noticing stars, blades of grass.

752
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: The parents over on the other side car lights, other things,

753
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: the temperature, they would notice other things. If if you

754
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: see spaces, you become an architect. I don't walk into

755
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: a field and see a space and see materials and

756
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: imagine are being constructed. I walk into a field and

757
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: here melody. So that's the firefly that I see. Other

758
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: people see other things, and so I think that the

759
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: job of an artist is to notice what they're attracted

760
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: to that no one else noticed, and spend your time

761
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: crafting it and bottling it so that others can live

762
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: that moment in the way that you lived it. M M.

763
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: I absolutely, I'm obsessed with that. And that's like the

764
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: most eloquent way to put what I've been trying to

765
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: say for a very long time him, thank you. Well,

766
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to put into words because one I think

767
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: that the idea that a an artist has some sort

768
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: of mystical superpower would be under selling the rest of

769
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: the human race. Everyone walks into the world and has

770
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: a different perception and sees something that glows for them.

771
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: You don't have to spend all your time bottling it

772
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: if you want to do something else with your life,

773
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: but you shouldn't ignore it. Yes, that's like if you're

774
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: lightning bug is like cooking. That could be a hobby.

775
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be your job. But I do

776
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: feel like every so this is something that I've decided

777
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: is true, but I also might decide it's untrue in

778
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: like three days. So that I think that everyone is

779
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: an artist. I think everyone is an artist if you

780
00:47:53,719 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: take the time or like have the desire to exp Laura,

781
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: I think we all have a place to be artistic,

782
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: and it can look super different for everybody. Like what

783
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: you're saying, like what you've noticed in the world, like

784
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: an architects these spaces, and I'm like you. When people

785
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: are talking it's a really weird thing. Like someone will

786
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: be saying something to me and I'm trying to listen.

787
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a total assholt, but I

788
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: just start hearing them in song, like what they're saying.

789
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: We'll start going into a song and then I'll start

790
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: going like this and saying what they just said. It

791
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: mean but it a melody, and I'm like a crazy person,

792
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: and they're looking at me talking to me, and I'm

793
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: like singing what they're saying to me at their face. See,

794
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: now should you do? Uh my little podcast? Normally what

795
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: I do is exactly what you're talking about. I'll talk

796
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: to the guest and say, it's an anthropologist. And I

797
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: talked to an anthropologist who is a he's a primatologist

798
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: who wrote a book called The Creative Spark about creativity

799
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: and evolution and and how people would not have survived

800
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: without ideas and creativity and where that is in the

801
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: brain and and all the all all this stuff that

802
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: that he knows. He knows from his you know, from

803
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: being scientists. Um. And he talked about specifically cooking as

804
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: being one of the first creative endeavors that people have.

805
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: But while he's talking I'm sitting there thinking about his

806
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: pitches and how he's speaking and the things that he's saying.

807
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: So my job during the podcast is to turn that

808
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: into a song. So I've I've made a song with

809
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: an anthropologist, with a music therapist, a tap dancer, um,

810
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: a software developer. We made like an old uh. We

811
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: made like an old ink spots style song. I have

812
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: no idea what that means. The ink spots were that

813
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: we're almost kind of prey. They were redo op and

814
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: it was like almost acapella. Uh and and the guy

815
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: with the guy would speak like you goo ding ding dinging,

816
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: don't and didn't you go I know, baby, because sometimes

817
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: life is tough, you know, Like he was the first

818
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: guy to like talk at you in a recording the

819
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: way that they started doing later. That's the ink spots.

820
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: So I turned this guy and anyway, all that a

821
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: long way of saying is I I completely understand what

822
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: you're saying. Someone's talking to you, and you're you're just

823
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: you're you're creating a song or pieces of songs from

824
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: what they're saying. And that's why I'm doing in the

825
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: podcast is I'm gonna do that, and I'm gonna be

826
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: rude out in public, so I may as well do it. Uh,

827
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: But when we do it for purpose, yes, when you

828
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: when we do mine, we'll do it the other way

829
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: and you can make us. You can make the song

830
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: out of what I'm saying, or we can just sing

831
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: at each other's face, just singing at each other, have

832
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: a so just you see and annoying and fun. And

833
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: you've got that. You've got the broader pipes too. I'm

834
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: louder some volume, and that's amazing. I'll drown your ass out.

835
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: It's not even close. I started too. I took a

836
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: few vocal lessons to just learn how it is that

837
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: people make their voice loud, like people like you, and

838
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: I think I think you're born from my mother, who's

839
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 1: very loud. And then everyone in the house just yells

840
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: all the time, and there's like twelve dogs barking. So

841
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to know anything, you just have to

842
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: yell really loud. And then you learn how to protect.

843
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: Your brother doesn't seem loud, he's still loud talker. Like

844
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: when he's on the phone, he'll be like, let's I'll

845
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: be talking like bro. Yeah, Well there's technique to it too,

846
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: as as I learned, it's releasing the seeing some muscles

847
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: so that it can just resonate. And I never really

848
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Speaker 1: know about that. I mean, you don't have to if

849
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: you do my job. It's like I just because I

850
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Speaker 1: use that they've voice like there, that's the way I

851
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: was seeing you. Well that is a sexy voice. But

852
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: you can have that kind of sexy voice and then

853
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: if you open your throat and then you just like

854
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: let the highest note come out. This is a game

855
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: I love to play. Usually those get muted with me

856
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: in that in that situation. Oh ship, that's not a

857
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: very pretty note. Let me try to find a good one.

858
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: It's a hormone. Oh shit, he just busted the glass

859
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: out of my room. You're gonna have to pay for that.

860
00:52:53,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: Kesha on that note, you just you just you just

861
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: wrapped it up. You just buttoned up the conversation. But wait,

862
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: how do people find your book? You your podcast? Everything? Well,

863
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: they're going to find my podcast because anyone who's listening

864
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: to this, because when you do it, they'll they'll they'll

865
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Speaker 1: know that you've done it, so they can find it there.

866
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 1: It's called lightning bugs. But they don't have to watch

867
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: it and listen to it until you do it. Oh

868
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: my god, everyone good listen to Lightning Bugs and I

869
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: will do because I'm going to be on it. Yeah

870
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: yeah that and I've it's been so fun making songs

871
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: with people. I just I just mixed my song I

872
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: did with Bob Saget. Oh my god, he was singing

873
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: about his prostate. It's a good song. I it's I

874
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: took a whole week, recorded all the instruments, got it,

875
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: got it just so. And it's like shoegazing nineties rock.

876
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: So shure, it's beautiful. It's I think it's sad. Actually, yeah,

877
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: it's melancholy. I love that. Okay, I'm going to check

878
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: it out. So just wherever you listen to podcasts where

879
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: podcast Yeah yeah, and and and and be sure to

880
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 1: buy my new cookies I have. I have a line

881
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: of soap. I'm selling soap. I'm selling um I make

882
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: it here in in in my tub. I've gotta get

883
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: i gotta get rich. I don't know if you're lying,

884
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not telling the truth. I was about to

885
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: be like, I love soap, let's go. I need someone

886
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: who was selling records and soap at the same time.

887
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: And I couldn't really make sense of that. Well, I

888
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: don't bathe that much, so it doesn't make sense to me. Okay, everybody,

889
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. People over bathe, fuck it, I'm agree.

890
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: Don't so much better after you know, a few days.

891
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: That's a dirty, that's a gross gross. And also I

892
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: took a ship while we were talking, you did. I

893
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: knew it. I fucking knew it. He pooped. I told

894
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: the world too, called it side cock. I'll see you soon.

895
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: I hope I'll be on your stuff. Yeah, well you don't.

896
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: All this is going out raw like this, no uncut

897
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: and raw, uncut, unbathed poop talk with Kesha. Oh, there's

898
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a funny one. Good job, good good job,

899
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: you know what. We'll ended on this. My best friend

900
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: was growing up. His parents called taking a poop a

901
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: good job? Did you do a good job? I did

902
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: a good job, and he did such a good job today.

903
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: I did a good job. All right, thank you made

904
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: me go away. I'll talk all night. Okay, see you're

905
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: doing goodbye? All right? Too good to see? What do

906
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: I press on this thing to get out of you? Time?

907
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: Time won one