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Speaker 2: am deeply deep Well. I I am deeply well. I

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Speaker 2: am deeply I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply

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Speaker 2: Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to

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Speaker 1: A podcast for those.

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Speaker 2: That are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Deeply Well Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, Debbie Brown, and I am so grateful.

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Speaker 1: And glad to have you all here with me today.

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Speaker 2: This month, we have been diving into the topic of

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Speaker 2: Doing this kind of work this month is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: Excited for today's episode.

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Speaker 2: I could not think of a better being to get

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Speaker 2: and dear friends, David Elliott, is joining us today. Our

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Speaker 1: David, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Did that feel so cringey hearing your whole life read

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Speaker 1: And I'm really excited for this episode, David.

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Speaker 2: Because this last month we spent four episodes exploring integrity

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Speaker 3: the experience. And that's what I've learned. I think the

438
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: thing people are most hungry for is not some logical

439
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: understanding about a spiritual process. It's the experience of the

440
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: spiritual process. And so, you know, I couldn't get it

441
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: out of my mind. I went to Sedona. I said okay,

442
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: I'm coming. You know. There was like six or seven

443
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: people there and they were giving me the royal treatment.

444
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: Every time something would go on, Tim would have me,

445
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: you know, breathe, and they would all support me. I

446
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: found out, you know, a little while after, I was

447
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: the only paying person at the retreat, so I was

448
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: basically paying for the other people to be there. There

449
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: were people friends and people he picked up along the road.

450
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: He would travel around a lot. He always said he

451
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: was a clairvoyant, mystic healer, but that his gifts were

452
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: a lot different than mine. In that first meeting, he said,

453
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 3: you know you're Claire audience, and I go, what's that?

454
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: He goes, well, it's a gift of hearing. And I

455
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: said okay, and he goes, well, it's not it's very uncommon.

456
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: How yours is? He goes, it's way more refined than mine.

457
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: He said, you hear the answer to people's questions before

458
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: they asked the question, are you here into their soul

459
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: with their spirit? Which it took me a while to

460
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: understand it. Even though I knew when he said that

461
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: that it was true, I just didn't know what it was,

462
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: you know, my whole life. But it had really exploded

463
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: when I moved to La. You know, it had increased

464
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: a lot, mainly at that moment I was dating this

465
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: girl and the relationship was kind of as apparent that

466
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: it needed to end. And I am probably in that

467
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: opening with my heart and the pain in there, Like

468
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: I would experience her dreams at night, I would hear

469
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: her thoughts, you know, and so you know, that was

470
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: like it kind of just blasted open, and it you know,

471
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: and once it blasted open, it's pretty much you know,

472
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: stayed that way. So but I was reluctant the first

473
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: several years I didn't start working. I mean, I met

474
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: Tim I think it was nineteen eighty nine, so you know,

475
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 3: but he would come to La once a month and

476
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: there would be all these people who had been thinking

477
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: that I was supposed to help him, and I would

478
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: just say, you got the wrong person, but I know

479
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: who you're looking for. And I would point him to

480
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: him and then he would do this thing, you know,

481
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: be at my house. People would come over and then

482
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: he would have my man. I would introduce him to

483
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 3: them and he would say, why don't you get him

484
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: started breathing. I'm gonna I got to do a quick

485
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: phone call, be right back. Well, he never would come back,

486
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: and he's like, I'm not he said, I'm not your teacher,

487
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: I'm the messenger. And then he very quickly would ask

488
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: me to do a healing session on him every time

489
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: he was around me. And so he had had some

490
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: traumatic stuff happened to him as a boy. So but

491
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I was like, what is going on?

492
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: What does he want me to work on him? And I,

493
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, wasn't not only wasn't trusting it, but I

494
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: didn't want to do it, you know, in the beginning.

495
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: The eventually I realized, okay, they're just they're coming, you know.

496
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: And he taught me into seeing you know, a few

497
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: people a week. He's like, just see a few people.

498
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: You won't have to if you're not working as an

499
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 3: actor in that time period, you know, you can you know,

500
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: pay your bills. And then yeah, he died a couple

501
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: of years after i'd met him, and and then this

502
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: herd of people kind of turned back. And so when

503
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: I finally said okay, I'll see people regularly, it turned

504
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: into forty people a week. And so that was you know,

505
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: long gosh, twenty six seven years ago.

506
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, Wow.

507
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so interesting, you know, just like connecting to

508
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: that story. And I know so so many people listening

509
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: might be in their reluctant phase right now too, so

510
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: they may, you know, have, yeah, be at the beginning

511
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: stages of exploring, like how do I work with this

512
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: thing about me that I've always kind of sensed but

513
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: not really known what to do with. And I had

514
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: no one to talk about right it too, you know,

515
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: David you it's it's interesting. How do I want to

516
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: phrase this because I'm trying to keep it so anonymous,

517
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: But your healing work has positively impacted and affected some

518
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: people that really like permeate the pillars of society, right

519
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: like you. You you work with a lot of anybody,

520
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: You work with all kinds of people, but a lot

521
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: of people that do find you are people that are

522
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: in mastery of what they are here to do and

523
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 2: there are some things to maybe get out of the way.

524
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: So I personally know that your healing spiritual work has

525
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: had effects on multiple Super Bowls.

526
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: It's had effects on the Oscars.

527
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: There have been some Oscar winners, there have been some

528
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: global best selling books. There have been a lot of

529
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: huge creative projects that have touched the heart's, minds and

530
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: souls of millions upon millions of millions of people that

531
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: were able to happen because they were also supported by

532
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: some of the deeper work that you were doing with

533
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: those chosen to impact with that kind of You know,

534
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: I'm so curious, You've seen so much, so many different kinds.

535
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: What are some common blocks or beliefs that prevent people

536
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: from accessing that depth of self love or being able

537
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 2: to really kind of be in participation in co creation

538
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: with what they're here to do.

539
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned also in the bio about the Creative

540
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: Healing Art Center. So you know, I've always so I've

541
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: loved sports, i love art, I love creative expression, and

542
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: I find that I can say to the universe, hey,

543
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: I like to work with some of these people or

544
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: these people, because for me, I always feel like I'm

545
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: learning I have intuition. But then I can like look

546
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: at some things like the most creative people believe it

547
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: or not, which you probably would understand it usually have

548
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: had some of the most traumatic lives and fortunately for them,

549
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: maybe they learn how to, you know, use their creativity

550
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: even just to stay alive. And oftentimes when I'm dealing

551
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: with people whether they're a writer or an actor or

552
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: movie maker or musician, and they're not working, you know,

553
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: close to whatever, doing something destructive. I would usually just say, well,

554
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: what else are you been putting off? Any creative projects?

555
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: And if we get them back, just go on and

556
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: finish that. Do that. They'll be like, well, but if

557
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 3: we can get them back creating, the problems go away.

558
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: Because I always say, if you have a lot of talent,

559
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: if you don't use it, it's going to use you.

560
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: But if if and I noticed that, I mean I

561
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: not learned that in college with you know, the one

562
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: weekend the football team had the weekend off, they'd be

563
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: throwing the furniture out of the dorm room windows because

564
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: they weren't playing the game that week and using it up.

565
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: And so they see it, you know, kind of across

566
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: the board. You know. We'll always say with with trauma abuse,

567
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, if you I mean, it's a little tricky,

568
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: I'll try to word it the right way. But if

569
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: you stay in a place of you know, being victimized

570
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: by it and not you know, like you invest into

571
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: life not being fair and the wound, you know, usually

572
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: it'll fester and then you probably won't, don't. I mean,

573
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 3: things might not go so well. And you know, conversely,

574
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: if a person uses it, helps others, tells their story,

575
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: chooses to work through it, and that it even becomes

576
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: a gift or something that's allowed them to you know,

577
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: apply themselves, then it frees them up and usually is

578
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: the recipe of their success because they learned to put

579
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: in the work and they didn't let something stop them.

580
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: So there's so many ways. I honestly with you know,

581
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: La Hollywood all that, I feel like the universe had

582
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: a very specific plan that you know, put me here

583
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: to think I was supposed to be an actor, but

584
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: then when I started writing, I was like, whoa, I

585
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: feel more empowered and free. I don't need to wait

586
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: for somebody else to approve or whatever. I can actually

587
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: the need to express the clare audience, the throat chakra.

588
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: Writing took care of that for me. So I haven't

589
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: looked back. It's like, you know, I've never regretted not

590
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: being an actor or whatever. You know. I was like,

591
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: it's kind of a relief in a way. You know.

592
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: So that is so highful about radio too. People always

593
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: ask it, do you miss being on TV?

594
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: Or being on the radio, and it's like I don't

595
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 2: know how to how to like fully convey how.

596
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Much I don't, right, you know, like like no, actually

597
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: not at all?

598
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: Right, yes, no, well I think it the refinement is

599
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: within the alignment of what we're here to do, and

600
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: when we kind of you know, usually you're in the ballpark.

601
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: I always a lot of people. If you've been living,

602
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 3: you know, around LA and you have this need on

603
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: some level to express to help to do things, then

604
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: you're probably gonna in some way bridge into some of

605
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: those abilities, like when I do meditation recordings. Fortunately, you know,

606
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: the people that end up recording or you know, they're

607
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 3: like way qualified beyond what I really probably need. But

608
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: then they want to help, and so I'm like, okay,

609
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: this will Yeah, I've got some I've got some ideas,

610
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: and so you know, again the beauty is, I mean,

611
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: plenty of spiritual teachers would want to be connected to

612
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: Hollywood for that expansion, But when you're still like, I mean,

613
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: I just will say for me, I like prefer to

614
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: kind of under the radar a bit.

615
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: That's what I love about your archetype so much.

616
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: I feel like I've had some of the just the

617
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: greatest people to learn from, you know, like between you

618
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: and I would also say Deepak and watching the way

619
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: you move with your gifts and your reach and you

620
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: know what, you're here to do it. That's always how

621
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: I felt. That's always how I knew I was meant

622
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: to move. I just didn't see it anywhere, and it

623
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: gave me such permission because I think especially now, and

624
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: only touch on this for a second, but I think

625
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: it's relevant because we're in such an age that is

626
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: about quote unquote visibility. Look at me, look at me,

627
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: look at me, or you know, just kind of receive

628
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: this even before it becomes something, and it's just that,

629
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: you know. And for some people that's beautiful and they

630
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: are that archetype. And for others there are other paths,

631
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, there are really other ways. Yeah, to even

632
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: work with one's own charisma and.

633
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 3: Magnetism, Yeah, for sure, you know. I mean, oh gosh,

634
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: I have Well, when September eleventh happened, it was it

635
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: was a few days after I had taken a group

636
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: of people to Sedona. So after I met Tim there,

637
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: I would for many many years do a retreat or

638
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 3: too there, usually every labor day in two thousand and one.

639
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: Labor Day was whatever, the end of August. So we

640
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: were there and I would like, usually do this little

641
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: ceremony in a cave, and people said, you have to

642
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: teach us this, and I go.

643
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: Casual ceremony in a cave, casual mention, yeah.

644
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: And I said, okay, I will, And I was like,

645
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 3: you know, because they had been asking for a long time,

646
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: and you know, and then September eleven, event's happened, and

647
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 3: literally the day after it, I don't know, three thirty

648
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: in the morning, I get woke up. And when something's

649
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: really important, I audibly hear a voice. You know. I

650
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: tell people that also have gifts of hearing. You don't

651
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 3: want to tell everybody for sure, you know, if it's

652
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: around psych you know, psychiatry, or probably don't want to

653
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: tell people it sometimes that you hear a voice. But

654
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: when it's really important, you know, like that morning, I

655
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: audibly heard a voice. Get in the car, go to

656
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: the ocean, get in the water and wash away the fear.

657
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: So I go get in the car. I was living

658
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: in Eagle Rock. I start heading to Santa Monica and

659
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: it's a no no North sent me up almost to

660
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: Santa Barbara, ironically kind of in the same area where

661
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: I live now, and I parked, went down to the beach,

662
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: walked down. It kept pushing me farther down the coastline

663
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: and it said here. I got in the water when

664
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: I went out and went all the way under. When

665
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: I raised up, I heard, it's time to start writing

666
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: the book. I've been told my whole life as a writer.

667
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: But I didn't wasn't ready, and so I kind of hesitated,

668
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 3: and I heard, if you don't start writing the book today,

669
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: we're taking it all away, your gift, your clients, your family.

670
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean other times people have said is

671
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: the universe, I mean our God? Or is It was like, no,

672
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 3: it doesn't work that way for you. For me that day,

673
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: it was that imperative and I got I, you know,

674
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: heard it. And then when I stepped out on the

675
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: beach from coming out of the water is where I

676
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: first saw these oce and stones that I sometimes pick

677
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 3: up and give the people, And it said, pick these

678
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: up and give give them the people. Yeah, there's no

679
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 3: help them balance and heal. So yeah, I still get

680
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: sent back like once a year to pick up a

681
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: backpack or two of ocean stones and still give them

682
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: to people on their first session so when they come

683
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: to see me. So you know, sometimes I mean I

684
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: can think back on it, you know, and you can

685
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: kind of some of the stories can seem a little outlandish.

686
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: But I don't question when I'm really receiving a strong

687
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: message anymore. I don't say I always do it, but

688
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: if it's really strong and it comes around a second time,

689
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 3: I know I better start making some movement towards it.

690
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: Otherwise the third time it's going to be painful, you know.

691
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: Like the third time it like that be a limb

692
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 3: hits me in the face right when I hear it

693
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: or feel it, or you know, I might slip up

694
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: a step and hurt my ankle or something. So I've

695
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: learned when it's for me. I'm not saying it's that

696
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: way for everybody, but for me, and something you mentioned

697
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: it a minute ago. I believe the people who are

698
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: here now and choosing to be in a role of

699
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: helping others its destiny. I don't think it's a mystery,

700
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: you know. I believe that we're in a place some

701
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 3: mother Earth at this time that's of a lot of importance.

702
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: Maybe not that different than a lot of other times,

703
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: you know. But my musician friends, I'm like, you should

704
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: finish that album now. It needs to be out. For

705
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: writers who were working on.

706
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: Their books stayed on me.

707
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: It's like, you've got to get the book done, you know,

708
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: because it's it's yeah calling card or it's that thing

709
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: that helps you know, lead people.

710
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helped me so much because it ooh, even

711
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: thinking about it right now, I want to cry.

712
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

713
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: I think, like I just I ran from finishing this

714
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: book that will be available for precell in January and

715
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: purchase in April. It's called living in Wisdom or to

716
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: say on that. But you know, I ran from running

717
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: it from writing it for quite a while. And every

718
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: time I would come to see you, which is like

719
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: usually a few times a year, yeah, like I feel

720
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: like I get in hopefully when all is good and

721
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: you're not booked and busy, like once a quarter and that.

722
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: And every time I come, I would be like, so

723
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: the book and they said finish it.

724
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 3: Within a couple of minutes, I would be asking, how's

725
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: the book coming? Yeah?

726
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it yeah, well it definitely kept honest, it

727
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: kept me clear, and you know, I think sometimes and

728
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how much just resonates with anyone listening.

729
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: But when you do have gifts and you do have creativity,

730
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: and you do know you're here for something, but there's also,

731
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, the divine timing because I think something for myself,

732
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: I feel I've had visions about a lot of things

733
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to do for more than thirty years, right,

734
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: or I have sometimes I can get deep senses of

735
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: something that's being birth, but and I'm like, is this mine?

736
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: Or is it the person next to me? Or is

737
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: it the person I know?

738
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: And so I loved how you said, like when you're

739
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: feeling a sense, sometimes it's not always okay, so you

740
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: have to rush You got to get out of bed

741
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: and rush out and do it all like this, But

742
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: it's like start making steps towards, start taking time to

743
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: let yourself think more about it or let it lead you,

744
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: or creating little piles of something towards something something you

745
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: had shared with me. You were like, just start making

746
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 2: piles around your office of like make on the floor

747
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: a pile for each chapter and just start placing things

748
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: in each thing and then come back to it and

749
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: wrap yourself your mind around how you might get this

750
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: on paper or because I think that's the thing, and

751
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: that's it's all in us anyway, right It Like a

752
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: lot of times our work is how do you clear

753
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: enough space to get it out or how do you

754
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: create the systems that are necessary for you to get

755
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: it out of you?

756
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 3: Right? Well, and for most you know, sometimes the bigger

757
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: the risk, the bigger the resistance to trust and to

758
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: start it or and or birth it, you know. So,

759
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: I mean, inevitably, I work with a lot of writers

760
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: and had, you know, like for a while, three writers

761
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: groups in the evenings for years. You know, I believe that,

762
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: you know, again, creative expression and sharing our stories are

763
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: the best form of therapy that we can do for ourselves. Yeah,

764
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: you it causes us, cause you to get clearer on

765
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: what you're communicating.

766
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: You know, David, I'm going to just put this out there, Okay.

767
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: This is like a really important time to be alive. Yep,

768
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: It's a really important time to be here. It's also

769
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: really challenging, and I guess it's never not been, but

770
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: for the context of the amount of years that I've

771
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: been alive, it's an incredibly dense, challenging time and I'm

772
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: just you know, you have seen so much, you feel

773
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: so much, you have helped so much, You influence so

774
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: much for people listening that may not that no inside

775
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: their healer, or they have a work to be birthed,

776
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: or like myself, I had no desire for any kind

777
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: of a fame or attention. But I always knew I'd

778
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: have a fascinating life. Dare I say remarkable to me

779
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: kind of a life?

780
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: Right?

781
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: And so I didn't know what that meant or where

782
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: it would fit. But I know so many people feel

783
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: that way. And then that can also feel like and

784
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: what paralyzing?

785
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: What do I do with this?

786
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: Well?

787
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: What's my purpose? How do I.

788
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: People that feel the call without any other stuff around it?

789
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: What should people be doing or thinking right now? Or

790
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: how can they begin to prepare themselves to step up

791
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: for their destiny?

792
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: Well, I always think again that we're probably in the ballpark.

793
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: There's you know, it's like when people start asking me

794
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 3: how can I connect to past lives? I go, well,

795
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: usually it's you know, get history and times where you're

796
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: where you found interesting or you're captivated by it. Start there,

797
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: and so you know, when it comes to healing work

798
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: and look at where you know, look at where you're

799
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 3: led and what you lean into and what really feels right,

800
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: and probably you know it might need to scare you

801
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: a little bit or make you uncomfortable. I don't think

802
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: it's always the most comfortable thing, because to me, spiritual

803
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: growth and evolution is going to push us, you know,

804
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: it's going to push us to ideally learn how to

805
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 3: trust and with creative people and intuitive people and incredibly

806
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: psychic people. It's not do you have gifts that It's

807
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: not do you have a lot of intuition, it's to

808
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: what degree you're willing to trust, you know, because there's

809
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: a lot of God help them, No, not even in

810
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: a negative way. But maybe some of the most intuitive

811
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: people are homeless and live on the street and they're

812
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: constantly receiving. But the filtering or understanding it may not,

813
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, always be there, but there can be really

814
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: open vessels. So what I like work at helping people

815
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: understand is you can develop your intuition. You can develop

816
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: that exchange with it to so that you can trust

817
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 3: it and trusting it. It's not in the head, it's

818
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: those goosebumps, it's the mini you know. For me, the

819
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: relationship with nature or mother Nature, and the way she

820
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 3: communicates to me constantly keeps me where I don't need

821
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: to think or I don't need to go into the

822
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: ego or mind that it's you know that my body

823
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 3: will tell me so much. My connection to hummingbirds, to hawks,

824
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: to butterflies, to the wind, to if a candle's burning,

825
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: how it's talking. You know, everything is a flow of information.

826
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: We just have to be present to it, you know.

827
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah.

828
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 3: And that's what not only keeps it interesting to me,

829
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: that's where it all happens in the moment. And you know,

830
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: I think one of humans' biggest challenges is as everything

831
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 3: speeding up. You know, so many people are out of

832
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 3: present time. So therefore they suffer from anxiety. They have

833
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 3: a deep feeling of there's not enough time. And so

834
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 3: for me, it's like, well, to work with time, you

835
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: have to be able to expand time by really expanding

836
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 3: your awareness and the moment. Then time slows down.

837
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything that you're saying is the gospel. Yeah, it's

838
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: how it happens. It's how some of the things anyone

839
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: listening that resonates may have been feeling that seems so

840
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: strange and different even that, because this month we're exploring

841
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: rituals and remedies in the power and so, you know,

842
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: I love the way that you were speaking to really

843
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: sometimes building or experiencing a relationship with everything that's in

844
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: front of you, gleaning the information of everything that's in

845
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: front of you. Yeah, because there's always support for us,

846
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: and there's always messaging, and something you said earlier on

847
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: this show, I've shared my way of wording it would

848
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: be I had to start listening to the whispers of

849
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: God so I didn't have to keep getting punched in

850
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: the face by God. I was like, I don't want

851
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: to catch God's fade another time. I will listen. It's

852
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: a whisper and we will get it done.

853
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: Deeply.

854
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's so powerful, David, and I just really hope that, however,

855
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: and whoever needs to hear what's being said, it's really

856
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: going where it needs to go, because there is no

857
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: better time than now.

858
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, we have children, so we're

859
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: ideally putting in the work so that maybe you know,

860
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: they can not just well I won't say have it easier,

861
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 3: but at least have the opportunity to choose what they

862
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 3: want to do and be able to, you know, hopefully

863
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: be having some fun in the process. And that's why

864
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: I was saying a minute ago to me. If we

865
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: find what we're doing interesting and we're and it's not

866
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Speaker 3: costing us, it's not draining us, it's effortless. Number one,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to age as fast. Number two, you're

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Speaker 3: the work doesn't feel like work, it, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: there's nothing that makes human beings happier than helping other

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Speaker 3: human beings.

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Speaker 2: God, that's so real. It We're designed for service. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so when you're serving, it actually is effortless. Right. If

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Speaker 2: you're serving and it feels like martyrdom, there's something else.

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Speaker 1: To investigate there. But service does have ease to it.

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Speaker 2: It is innately what you're designed to do with the

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Speaker 2: gifts you're designed to have.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, well, you and I both know probably plenty

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Speaker 3: of super wealthy people, not I mean almost to a person. Again,

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about anybody specific, but the more money

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Speaker 3: a lot of times people have, the bigger the fear

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Speaker 3: that they're going to lose it is. Whereas you know,

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Speaker 3: I love working with artists. Of my whole life, I've

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Speaker 3: loved working with the artists who might tend to live

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Speaker 3: hand to mouth, but they're you know, living in a

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Speaker 3: way where there's a pretty good exchange with you know,

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Speaker 3: feeling on purpose that they're doing something that they came

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Speaker 3: here to do. And you know, we all have a

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Speaker 3: role in this. And not to make it so important

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Speaker 3: or overly serious, but to me, I do think you know,

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Speaker 3: with climate, with technology, with politics, which we won't talk about,

891
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Speaker 3: but all these things are converging, you know, in a

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Speaker 3: time where it's all very heightened, you know, and I

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Speaker 3: think there's going to be good ways that you know,

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Speaker 3: good things can come out of it. And I think

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Speaker 3: that it would seem that some challenging aspects are part

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Speaker 3: of what we're in right now too, you know. So yeah, again,

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Speaker 3: it's all what we do with it, and hopefully there's

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Speaker 3: enough you know, intuition and positive efforts being made to

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Speaker 3: circumvent you know, where things might be going in the

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Speaker 3: wrong direction, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Healing old patterns and stuck energy is essential for

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Speaker 2: personal growth. How can we start releasing these patterns even

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Speaker 2: just the beginning maybe phases of the self work or

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Speaker 2: something a person can do in conjunction with other things

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Speaker 2: that they're doing to heal, but maybe some daily rituals,

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Speaker 2: remedies or practices.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, again I'm a little biased about

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Speaker 3: the effectiveness and the ease with breath work because you know,

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Speaker 3: I think the shortest meditation I have is a seven

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Speaker 3: minute one, which is like running to the gym and

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Speaker 3: doing a few push ups and chin ups and running out.

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Speaker 3: But again, discipline, I mean why I love working with

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Speaker 3: you know, professional athletes is usually they got they have

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Speaker 3: discipline down better than anybody else just about. And so like,

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Speaker 3: you know, a ritual, a discipline, something that you commit

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Speaker 3: to doing that kind of resets you or clears you

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Speaker 3: or get you in a place where you can go

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Speaker 3: on about being conscious throughout your day. People will oftentimes

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Speaker 3: say when should I do the meditation. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 3: because me, you know, I would just say first thing

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Speaker 3: in the morning is then you're not waiting till later

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Speaker 3: in the day. But and I don't always say it

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Speaker 3: has to be breadthwork. Like if a person prays and

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Speaker 3: they feel this alignment with energy and spirit, I'm fine

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Speaker 3: with whatever people choose to do. You know that it

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Speaker 3: has some effect on them, you know, Art, I mean

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Speaker 3: to me, Art there's nothing better than you know, writing

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Speaker 3: or playing some music or dancing or whatever you do

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Speaker 3: that feels like it clears you, puts you in a

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Speaker 3: space of alignment and allows you to go on about

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Speaker 3: what's next in the day. So and you know, for

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Speaker 3: the nocturnal people who feel like they have to do

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Speaker 3: things in the evening, I don't. I'm fine with that too.

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Speaker 3: So I just know I'm an early morning person, so

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Speaker 3: usually I'm doing things first thing, you know. But there's

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Speaker 3: no I don't make rules to me. I mean I

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Speaker 3: attract all the rebels and all that anyway, So I

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Speaker 3: feel like that's a self choice of you know, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I never tell people I.

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Speaker 1: Act all the rebels because I know I'm stubborn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. Well, when i'm teaching, I'm like, look, guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm sharing thirty years of experience, but I'm not telling

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Speaker 3: you you have to do anything a certain way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I build into that. And the next new facet

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Speaker 3: of what I'm going to be bringing is the longevity

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Speaker 3: of how to be doing work with these deeper relationships

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Speaker 3: where you aren't using up life force, where you can

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Speaker 3: really be restored and be regenerating energy. You know a

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Speaker 3: lot of it's some indigenous practices. I work with a

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Speaker 3: lot of Indigenous people, but it's not all from that band.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot to again, work that doesn't

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Speaker 3: feel like work. I always say, ideally, if I'm at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day feel better than when I

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Speaker 3: started the day, I know I've been working in a

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Speaker 3: good way.

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Speaker 2: So there's a few things that I recommend for those

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Speaker 2: that are connecting and just really resonating if this feels

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Speaker 2: something sparked inside, Definitely recommend David's book The Reluctant Healer

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Speaker 2: and also Healing, which are going to be linked, and

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Speaker 2: visit David Spotify. Do some breath work, do some breath work,

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Speaker 2: do some meditation, see how this feels in your body,

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Speaker 2: Notice how this feels in your body, and then from there.

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Speaker 1: Of course, David is.

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Speaker 2: Linked below this episode, so you can connect with his

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Speaker 2: website where he does sessions and group trainings and really

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Speaker 2: really really incredible, deep, powerful program for those who are ready. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there is no more important time than now.

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Speaker 1: If you feel the call and if you feel the

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Speaker 1: pull David.

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Speaker 2: At the end of every episode, I like to offer

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Speaker 2: for the guests that they can provide one practice that

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Speaker 2: everyone that listened can utilize to integrate what they heard

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Speaker 2: in this episode.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes that is a.

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Speaker 2: Breath or a journal inquiry or a little you know,

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Speaker 2: amalgamation of something someone does.

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Speaker 1: But we call this soul work.

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Speaker 2: And if you'd have a piece you'd like to share

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Speaker 2: that everyone can sink their teeth into.

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Speaker 3: Gosh made bite my lip on that. Well. The first

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Speaker 3: thought was when you mentioned the Spotify meditations that people

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Speaker 3: can access, and there's one that's about gratitude, and to me,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's in a recording that called Shortcuts to Healing,

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Speaker 3: and the first one is creative expression. The second one

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Speaker 3: is gratitude. So if all else fails and you know,

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Speaker 3: whatever you're trying isn't working, like right now in this moment,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you feel yourself in a spiral or

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Speaker 3: you're getting anxious, if you just go to gratitude, and

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Speaker 3: then if you want to amp it up a little more,

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Speaker 3: I just say say, you know, gratitude out loud. I

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Speaker 3: love my love the pool, love these trees, the way

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Speaker 3: they're just framing the property, or you know, on and

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Speaker 3: on but saying and then if you even want to

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Speaker 3: amp it up more, you even raise your voice a

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01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: little louder so that the universe can hear. And there's

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Speaker 3: something about, you know, as cliche as it can seem,

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Speaker 3: about a gratitude practice, it works, you know, and to

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Speaker 3: change yourself in the moment again. To me, gratitude is

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Speaker 3: a path to our spirit. So that would be my

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Speaker 3: little nugget.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, David, Thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: Finally, you're's making.

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Speaker 2: So grateful to have you here, so grateful for your

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Speaker 2: work and so grateful for everything.

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Speaker 1: That you imparted.

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Speaker 3: Great, Thank you. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: We will be back next week. Do your soul work.

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Speaker 2: It takes some nicety breaths and really open up. How

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Speaker 2: does God want to use you right now? Thank you

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