WEBVTT - Ozzy & Sharon Osbourne 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:14.160 Pushkin. It's been fifty years since Black Sabbath released Iron Man, 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.320 but its guitar riffs are still some of the hardest 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.600 and darkest in rock history. While Black Sabbath is often 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.480 giving credit for creating heavy metal, none of its members 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.640 had the success or longevity of their original frontman, Ozzy Osbourne. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.920 In the eighties, Ozzie successfully turned his Prince of Darkness 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.519 alter ego into a decades long career. With help from 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:40.159 his manager and wife, Sharon Osbourne, Ozzi's released eleven solo albums, 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.640 with seven of them going multi platinum. They also created Ozzfest, 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.280 a Tory metal festival that became a mecca for metal 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.080 fans everywhere, myself included, and of course, they had their 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.600 pop culture crossover moment with the reality show The Osbourne's 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.959 on MTV. Ozzie and Rick Rubin first met when Rick 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.920 had just moved to la and the two became fast friends. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.319 Their friendship eventually turned into Rick producing the last Black 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.800 Sabbath record, the Reunion Album from twenty thirteen. Ozzie's mostly 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.479 kept a low profile since then, but at seventy one, 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.280 he's back to making music. He has a new album 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:18.920 called Ordinary Man, it's his first solo album in a decade. Rick, 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.880 Ozzy and Sharon sat on the bus at Changing a 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.039 Lot to talk about the record and how a gift 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.120 from his father turned an ordinary boy from Birmingham, England, 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:33.400 into the prince of darkness. This is broken record liner 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:41.360 notes for the digital Age. I'm justin Richmond. Here's Ozzie 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.760 and Sharon Osbourne in conversation with Rick Rubin. They start 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.120 things off talking about the track Ozzie did with Post 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.120 Malone and Travis Scott take what you Want? Did you 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.200 hear the track as he did with Post Oh, he's 0:01:55.240 --> 0:02:01.160 got to hear that. I'm Travis Scott's a big shot now. Yeah. Yeah. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:09.160 When Andrew I did your song we Post He's great. Though, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.480 he's doing great. I've was stunned that it's just him 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:18.040 on stage. It's not bad man, no nothing, just him incredible. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:22.600 Ye tell me tell me your first memories of any 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.440 performance anytime you was the first time you remember being 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.600 on stage. I was in a band called the Prospected 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:33.000 because the singer was it was sick. I never do know. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:41.160 We did a gig Birmingham fire Station. There's three three 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.880 firemen and a drunk in the audience. You think I 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.839 was going to be shot. I was so nervous. Yeah, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.400 that was the first thing I ever did we do 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:58.480 cover songs or oh yeah, blues stones, yeah, uh damn, 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:05.639 you know, and it was um back in. The whole 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.720 game has changed now when when we're there's no way 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.760 to playing that much anymore. And when we used to 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.360 go to Webb when we were Sabbath, we messed around 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.160 with different names. It was like a polkas blues band 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.840 Earth and then then we wrote the song Black Sabbath 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.360 and then Guisers, what don't we call the band? And 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.280 that was it. Then how did the band come together? Well, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.200 I was it always you know aboutman called the Red 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.120 Ruby Geezer. I never did a gig with them. But 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.960 the only reason the gigs I had to pay, I 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.560 said Guizer, and I said I want to get out, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.960 so do I. And shortly around actual Geiser and Bill 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.480 had a band called Mythology and they had been busted 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.440 for smoking dope. I had to break up because it 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.880 was like the curse. She used to go to the 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.960 same school as Tony and we didn't around school. It 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:07.400 was like high school. Yeah, and one thing I think 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:11.760 we started. We originally had a saxophone player and a 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.880 bottle bottle and guitar player like because it was like 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.960 the Fleetwood Mac that were that were around, but the 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:24.080 original Fleetwood Mac nothing what they ended up being. I 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.400 wished to go and see them. We n see John 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.440 Miles Blues Breakers. And there was a club in Birmingham 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.960 called I'm Anish Club now, but we used to go 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.880 in and we used to see all these different bands. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.560 You know, I saw Candy Eat there once. I was 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.280 like an American banding Birmingham freaks out, how many how 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:46.960 many people would be in a club like that? Then 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:53.320 no Ah, great, there's seven hundred thousand and most. Then 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.120 there was a club, a few clubs in Birmingham. We 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.000 used to go with our van full of a quick 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.760 my just in case the band never made and we've 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.880 got any bank. We've gone played be Standing for Blands 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.920 or ten years after jeth Road Show the band amazing, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:15.160 and then we played with Jets Hotel and Tony got 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.280 off with the gig and then I remember thinking, oh, no, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:22.120 it's gone now because Tony was somewhere else for it. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.719 I mean he still is. Yeah, it's nobody on the 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.440 face of the other couldn't come up with the riffs 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.840 like the King of the Riffs. Oh it's great, And 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.880 then you know it was just it's kind of we 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.160 all live. Did he ever play with Jethro Tuller, No, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.760 what I think he did a couple of TV thing 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.560 He died a rock and roll the Rolling Stones, rock 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.960 and Roll circles, yes, which was a chary thing. And 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.200 then he died a couple of things. We wouldn't win 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.920 him too long and he came back and he said, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.800 if we get out of stuff together, oh we can 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.200 do it. I was like fucking house. He left Jethro 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.640 to come back to us and that was a big job. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.919 That was. But Tony's one of these guys he has 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.400 been told what to do, you'll do You'll fucking punch one. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.440 I know that. You know I've seen him do it. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.840 You know it's some he has been so I told 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:22.279 me have to wear hats and and but he he was. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.040 But it was all Everything was new. Well, I mean 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.679 we'd get in the van. We played the Star Club 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.279 Hamburg for residency, but we had nothing to lose. It 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:38.080 was exciting. Did people like the band right away or no? No, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.400 we we we do like at the Star Club. But 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.479 it was a good training ground because you do forty 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.560 five minutes on and another band would you go different 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.599 every forty Yeah, so we do one that we blues 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.359 songs and Bill would do a job solver once said, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.360 Tony would do a guitar us every one. I'd fuck 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.160 around doing all this stuff and climbing ladders, painting my 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.440 face and just generally pissing about, you know. But it 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.360 was a good experience, better than being in Birmingham unemployed. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.520 I said. We just got b lived from hand to 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.080 mouth and it was fun. Any band that I've ever 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.040 been in the early stages of the band have been 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:24.000 the most fun because everybody's in the same boat. But 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:29.760 that remember, I'll remember Jim Simpson, the original manager sign 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.720 on the Wye down to the Fairies today Ferry. We 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.480 just stop off with the recordings to the region sound 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.480 and record them songs you've been doing. Probably just got 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.080 the set up recording went away two days like the 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.160 two six l seasons twelve. So just like the live 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:52.640 set we had the audience. We've been planning life. So 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:59.360 I remember coming back from Europe for Christmas and the 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.520 managers come over. I got the artwork to show and 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.360 back then to have the gate Pole album Sleep was 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.800 like the big thing. And when we saw that first 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:13.480 album Sleep, we're like, fucking, what is this? We right, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.920 just seven album that was so cool. And then the 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.560 album came out and we heard the album with a 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.800 because when we recorded it, we never had the effects 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:26.400 like the thunder, the weird voice effects, and it was 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:32.920 just amazing. And then I'm in a club and I'm 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:38.600 my first advance was one hundred and five pounds. I thought, 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.480 I never thought, let's say that much money. So I'm 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.000 in the club and this guy comes. Just when he goes, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.280 I said, he's got some good news to tell you. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.000 As so what's that? This is? Your album entered the 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.280 British chart next week and someone was seventeen or something. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.480 Are you winding me up? You're joking? And it remained 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.560 there for eighteen months. Time it was going ome and 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.120 down the chart which showed me had parent and went 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.800 straight at number one. I'm like, because he must as yourself, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.080 you don't when you do. When you're doing something, you 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.120 like it, yeah, but when somebody goes, I fucking that's 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.840 that's all you need. But when somebody comes and says 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.080 your album's in the charts and everything's going one way, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.720 and it was just it doesn't make sense. It's like 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.760 you don't believe it. He don't believe real. Ye, it's 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:29.079 like you can't accept it, you know why? Well I 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.040 did complain. Things started to look up and Sharon Father 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.680 one of the managers, then somebody else that worked for him, girls, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.800 and it's just everything was up and up, but we 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.960 got ripped up royally by manager and badly. Remember the 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.680 first time you do a show where people really liked it? Yeah, 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.439 the first time they liked it, like like we did 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.080 a jump Pell radio show. Oh y, we hadn't even 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:58.720 recorded the more written the songs by that point people 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.000 started to when they album got in the chart. It 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.400 was like we used to play his underground clubs. Underground 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.600 then was what underground underground? But it was good word 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.959 of mouth. Yes, saw Black Sabbath in the first we 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:17.440 said fuck TV, fuck doing this. We were a people's 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.800 band calling and back in England then it was like 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.400 doing top of the pubs was a banging but we 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.439 all did it or eventually and it was just to 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.720 make the first something ms you could sabbably sell. Then 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.400 the drugs, the alcohol, the wives, the divorced and all 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.600 the trappings. You know, we found it the man who 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.200 was ripping us. Though we tried to manage ourselves, we 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.440 fucking clue and the booze started to get heavy. I 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.480 started to drink more, and Bill started to drink more, 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.360 and me and Bill and Tony and Gooze we just 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.079 got ugly. Now I didn't get good. There was no fight. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.080 It was a band that we believed in what we 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.480 were doing at first, and then we got royally take 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.760 into the cleaners and we just thought, what's the poison? 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.520 And when they fired me, I thought, Sharon's Votom's managers 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:14.760 yet again, and I thought, we don't want you to 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.800 be getting sucked up all. That's what I was, And 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.560 I gotta be honest. At that point, I just said 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.160 I'm done. It sounds like it was already bad at 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:28.440 that time. Anyway, rememberable we ended up making music to 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.760 pay our lawyers fees. Yeah, And we all said to 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.400 each other many times what we needed someone like Sharon 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.800 or Father, somebody to come and say, hey, you need 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.559 to try yourself though, get your shit together and write 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.640 somebody to tell us what we what was wrong because 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.800 our egos, we're running the show in under the implant, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:54.680 the drugs and alcohol. I just went to and Sharon's 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:01.079 officer got me up a partmagine in West La Parker Hotel. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.520 I thought, I fucking last spling any money I got? 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.959 How old were you at that time? I was about thirty. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.079 I thought I got that spinge. So Sharon comes O 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.280 away when sing, she goes. Listen as she goes. If 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:19.920 you get yourself to go, we want to manage her 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.079 because I was thought. I thought no one wanted to 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.800 manage a singer. Then I met Randy, and then then 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.240 another thing happened to me. How do you meet Randy? 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.599 A guy called Dana Strum from Slaughter remember the bunch o. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.560 Dana Strum was my original choice for a bugget. Sharon 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.280 got me auditioning people. I'd never auditioned anybody in my life. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.000 Or I go, no, I don't like him. She will 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:49.480 tell him I got no, you tell him I get 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:54.360 it a woman so um Danna said, got me all 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.120 this guitar house. I was out to lunch all the 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.880 from I remember part one, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:06.760 this one kid, and you got it's great, some m 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.440 three sheets to win. I'm in my apartment and he 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.640 comes in, this little guy who must have weighed one 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.040 hundred and five pounds wet. I mean he was like 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:21.760 like a woman. I said, Oh, you gotta be joking. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.880 He's just hear me out. He's gonna come down to 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.120 my studio studio working. Hear him play. Yeah, oh go 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:34.080 ahead the studio. I'm thinking I'm hallucination. This kid comes 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.000 in with this little lamb. I'm blew my lights wow, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.000 And you knew right away. I mean this kid was 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:45.360 like this kid was like someone else, always like even 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:51.400 in the fuck up sto you want a gig? I mean, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.440 he was unbelieving. Then he came to England and I 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.080 was still married to my accent. He's just stayed with 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.199 me for leaving me in for a while and we 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.800 wrote Goodbye to Romans the first time we ever wrote incredible. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.720 But then he was like it was like this. It 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.560 wasn't like he didn't get He wasn't a party. He 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.800 was a true musician in respect. He wrote music, you 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.400 talk music and he would give the opening bands lessons 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.720 on fucking finger chapter and what. But it was yeah, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.880 there again, it was the early time. Then we got 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:29.240 successful in the fucking lawsuits. Sorry, agreed, but you know 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:34.200 it's for some reason. I've been out of sabbaths now 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.920 forty years, but it seems like the time that I 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.040 was with him seems longer than I'm being are. I 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.760 don't know what a is. Yeah, it's just it's such 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:48.120 a defining it's such a defining band. But we don't. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.400 But when you're in it, yes, you know you you 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.200 love the adulation, you love the success, yes, but you 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.920 just go because you did it. Yeah, you don't know. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.160 You don't understand what. I'll never forget about working with 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.560 you in that studio. Yes, you do this. Every time 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.840 I'd sing it, go Ozzie, I'd have to like nine 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.200 times you go Ozzie. That was great, Just give me 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:17.640 one more, Like how can it be fucking in that 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:23.200 fucking book? Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, we made a 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:28.200 good album. I was great it right, number one. That 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.480 was our first number number one in both solo and 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:36.560 big incredible in America. It was like number one in 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:41.280 thirteen countries. Yeah wow, I mean the album was called 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.160 thirteen number one in thirteen countries. But that dang, And 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.960 you know the first time. I remember the first time 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.640 we talked about making the Black Sabbath three about nineteen. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.160 It was a very long time ago in that place 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.360 in a sunset yes for you and the other game, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.840 we were saying you your yes. I remember we sat 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.040 in that room and all the members were there and 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.000 we talked about doing it then, and you had spoken 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.400 before before that separately Yes, yes, yes, And I remember. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.560 I don't know if you remember this, but for me, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.240 this was a big deal in my life. You came 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.200 to my house one night before before that house, my 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.800 first house in La You came late one night after 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.080 the Rainbow Yes, and we listened to Black Sabbath music 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.280 until the sun came up, and you performed a whole 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.920 Black Sabbath performance for me in my living room. And 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.840 it was one of the greatest experiences of my life 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:44.880 because I never got to see Black Sabbath became me. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:50.800 Are going listen, You're gonna mind me a promise if 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:55.600 you ever get back wellecond but if you ever get 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.480 back with the boys, please let me produce an album. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.560 You pop at different plays. I like that song maybe 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.720 the Student, and I don't know, I don't know what 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.119 we're doing but you can and you and oh the 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.119 extra tracks on the live album, you go, I like 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:18.000 that that one sucks and walks out, I mean, and 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.320 then I was the arkepts going in brick rooms. He 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:25.120 really wants to do an album. Yeah, it was fun 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.399 doing that. It was fun. It was fun worth that 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.960 and it's funny that we talked about it like fifteen 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.440 or twenty years before and then finally came to fruition. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.919 Do you know, I was just tongue hundred the democ 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:41.119 what I said, you know something, Well, I'm a believer 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.359 in this. The amount of people on this plane is 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.800 and in a one lifetime you'll only meet a certain amount, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.800 and things are meant to happen the way. It's when 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.480 I believe believer too. I mean when when I when 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.760 I was married to another woman, Yes i'd see Sharon, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.119 I would go should we do? I was always a 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:07.960 track And it's amazing the why things turn out meant 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.639 to be meant to be. And you guys are incredible together. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:20.600 Well nobody else could put up I'm not, but it's 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.840 just incredible. I look award to look down that road 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.920 and the things that happened. I just I can't believe it. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:35.000 Sometimes seventy one and I'm just bude. Another album. Amazing, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.240 so cool. The album's really cool. It's amazing when it 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.920 just comes together like that in a month I've done. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.040 It's so great. We'll be back with more from Sharon 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:52.119 and Ozzie after the break. Here's Ozzie and Rick listening 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:56.640 to Straight to Hell, the first single off Azzie's new album. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.680 That's great. Your your voice is ever eternal. It's like 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:05.560 it's unbelievable how much you sound like you all the time, 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.160 and how good it is. Amazing, so exciting to hear. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:14.160 Ordinary man Alten's on this phone. Let's hear how did 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.200 that song come about? It just climbed out the first 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:22.240 song we ever wrote. It's so good. It's really good. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.840 You know I signed to something recently. Most of the 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.440 best stuff I've ever done. Yeah, I just clime out 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.760 of nowhere. Amazing. Can you sit there for weeks and 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.600 weeks you think you're going now And some of them 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.600 I remember you telling me stories about the way Sabbath 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.600 would write, where you just jam and what Sabbath would do. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.639 We're just jam on my pick, riff, shout and just 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.040 lincome together. And I just like stick of vocal now. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.440 It was it was a good education because a lot 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.239 of kids I've never heard of. It's a jam, you know. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.000 Maybe it was a lot of fun, you know, absolute 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.040 Is it fun to make? Music's the best thing in 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.080 the world. Oh no, I don't know anything. Ye a 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.720 journey fifty years and we're so lucky we get to 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.879 do this. Unbelievable. I mean, I don't know where it 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.840 can I'm from, you know, But it's just I'm complaining. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.480 That's amazing. I hear also, I hear like some of 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.159 the Beatle influence on the writing and the string parts 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.400 so cool. And if you sound and you sound the same, 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.720 which is what's so incredible. It's like you sound so 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:37.920 remarkably like you every time, and strong and fresh and 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.440 all of the there's so much energy in your voice. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.080 It's unbelievable. I just do you just do it. I mean, 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.040 there's no nobody else in my family has ever been 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:53.120 involved in music in any way. I've come from stress 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:58.560 far with those siblings to have died. But no, he's 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:03.320 uh got any beautical Jack my son goes to me, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.080 statusis I like the Beetles, But I don't see what 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:12.119 you're going about it, and okay, it's slightly imagine this 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.320 going to bed today in black and white and waking 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.359 up in Carla. That's what it was like. Yeah, and 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.720 he goes what I thought. I still don't understand. I said, 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.159 we in England were just I was like nineteen sixty 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:29.080 whatever early and the water ended fifteen years ago. We 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.480 changed that long and all of a sudden this band 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.440 comes out, which swamp the last thing we have do 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:41.600 that much matters in Germany and they were like fucking huge. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.199 Do you remember the first time you heard them? Yeah, exactly, 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:51.640 tell me I got a transit transistor radio. Yes. Then 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:56.320 it was that they progressed to get over. I'm walking 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:02.480 down Posy Ministry. I'm about thirteen, and I'm leaning on 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:07.120 all his leading on the lamp post and fucking all 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.120 his pub songs and whatever. You're on the radio. Suddenly 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.280 she Loves You comes on. I stopped and it was 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:18.680 like I was awakened. Wow, it was like, holy shit, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.480 I want with Paul McCarney to marry my sister. I mean, 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:27.280 it was just fantastic for me, and it was I 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:32.919 loved them. I absent my wed by a wall in 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.119 my bedroom was covered in anything with the name on 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.879 and anytime anything they put out you would be you 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:43.160 would get an immediately. I'd work delivering food, call or whatever. Yes. 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.800 And by a Beatle record, I mean it was fucking amazing, 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.800 which people go, you know, hut it out to some 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:55.359 people now, But the Beatles for me, were you other 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.480 than the Beatles? Were there other who were the other 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:01.760 things that really just let you up musically? Uh? The King, 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:09.240 the Kinks, you really got my l uh manfred Man? Yeah, 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:15.359 uh this down? Led Zeppelin? Yeah, I mean when we 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.480 when we When I first heard them first two Zeppelin albums, 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.159 it it was unbelieving. Really you were you already a 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.000 band yet or not? Yes? But were you remove about 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:29.479 has breast behind them? I mean when I heard that 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.560 first Zeppelin album, yeah, one and two, Yeah, I just 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.880 put after that, I kind of lost you. The moment 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.399 could be we're doing our own thing. I was to 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:42.359 go drinking. We bought them a law, good guy. I 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:46.800 every drunk. Great when the show when you show me's 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.359 an asshole, I've been around you drunk. You you were 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.480 never an asshole? Oh not to not to me. I 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.560 never said I never saw I've seen you bad, but 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:59.919 I've never seen you unpleasant to be around. Hard my moment. 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:10.040 I mean, I've had two wives, I don't know a job, 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.159 another job, the more fuck up your turn up to 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.359 a gig, Oh it's going to be crazy, gonna be 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.440 a good notice, which I remember there was a story 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:20.560 where one of you tried to kill the other. Which 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:27.200 which was it? Oh that one he tried to kill you? Yeah, okay, 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:32.320 how how serious was it? He had? He had a blackout, 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.800 as he had a blackout and it was really really serious. 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.560 But I knew something was happening because he'd been out 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.920 of it for like a week. So it was a 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:47.920 week of like experimenting with pills and alcohol and he 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.879 was just like on a roll. Yeah, and you could 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.679 feel it building. You knew something was going to happen, 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:58.960 and yeah, it happened. But then then he was good. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.600 Had to go into treatment for six months. He was good. Okay, man, 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.760 I got drunk again. But you know, you know, you know, 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:11.879 they go, oh, I tried rehab. It didn't work. You 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.920 get it when you get it, if you but if 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:16.040 and if you don't get it, you don't get it. Yeah, 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.159 I don't to be honest with you, I have a 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:25.919 problem walking with that alcohol now, line with it. You know. 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.040 If I if I was okay, we got'll be still drinking. Yeah, 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:33.600 but I got so fed up, a feeling like crap 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.600 without it, you know. Oh no, No, I just must 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.600 have been six or seven out rehab three or four, 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:48.480 a few rehaps about fifteen, and then I just stopped. Great, 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:53.760 I'm just about any seven years now. Amazing. Congratulations our son. 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:58.520