Speaker 1: Pushkin. It's been fifty years since Black Sabbath released Iron Man,
Speaker 1: but its guitar riffs are still some of the hardest
Speaker 1: and darkest in rock history. While Black Sabbath is often
Speaker 1: giving credit for creating heavy metal, none of its members
Speaker 1: had the success or longevity of their original frontman, Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 1: In the eighties, Ozzie successfully turned his Prince of Darkness
Speaker 1: alter ego into a decades long career. With help from
Speaker 1: his manager and wife, Sharon Osbourne, Ozzi's released eleven solo albums,
Speaker 1: with seven of them going multi platinum. They also created Ozzfest,
Speaker 1: a Tory metal festival that became a mecca for metal
Speaker 1: fans everywhere, myself included, and of course, they had their
Speaker 1: pop culture crossover moment with the reality show The Osbourne's
Speaker 1: on MTV. Ozzie and Rick Rubin first met when Rick
Speaker 1: had just moved to la and the two became fast friends.
Speaker 1: Their friendship eventually turned into Rick producing the last Black
Speaker 1: Sabbath record, the Reunion Album from twenty thirteen. Ozzie's mostly
Speaker 1: kept a low profile since then, but at seventy one,
Speaker 1: he's back to making music. He has a new album
Speaker 1: called Ordinary Man, it's his first solo album in a decade. Rick,
Speaker 1: Ozzy and Sharon sat on the bus at Changing a
Speaker 1: Lot to talk about the record and how a gift
Speaker 1: from his father turned an ordinary boy from Birmingham, England,
Speaker 1: into the prince of darkness. This is broken record liner
Speaker 1: notes for the digital Age. I'm justin Richmond. Here's Ozzie
Speaker 1: and Sharon Osbourne in conversation with Rick Rubin. They start
Speaker 1: things off talking about the track Ozzie did with Post
Speaker 1: Malone and Travis Scott take what you Want? Did you
Speaker 1: hear the track as he did with Post Oh, he's
Speaker 1: got to hear that. I'm Travis Scott's a big shot now. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When Andrew I did your song we Post He's great. Though,
Speaker 1: he's doing great. I've was stunned that it's just him
Speaker 1: on stage. It's not bad man, no nothing, just him incredible.
Speaker 1: Ye tell me tell me your first memories of any
Speaker 1: performance anytime you was the first time you remember being
Speaker 1: on stage. I was in a band called the Prospected
Speaker 1: because the singer was it was sick. I never do know.
Speaker 1: We did a gig Birmingham fire Station. There's three three
Speaker 1: firemen and a drunk in the audience. You think I
Speaker 1: was going to be shot. I was so nervous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first thing I ever did we do
Speaker 1: cover songs or oh yeah, blues stones, yeah, uh damn,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was um back in. The whole
Speaker 1: game has changed now when when we're there's no way
Speaker 1: to playing that much anymore. And when we used to
Speaker 1: go to Webb when we were Sabbath, we messed around
Speaker 1: with different names. It was like a polkas blues band
Speaker 1: Earth and then then we wrote the song Black Sabbath
Speaker 1: and then Guisers, what don't we call the band? And
Speaker 1: that was it. Then how did the band come together? Well,
Speaker 1: I was it always you know aboutman called the Red
Speaker 1: Ruby Geezer. I never did a gig with them. But
Speaker 1: the only reason the gigs I had to pay, I
Speaker 1: said Guizer, and I said I want to get out,
Speaker 1: so do I. And shortly around actual Geiser and Bill
Speaker 1: had a band called Mythology and they had been busted
Speaker 1: for smoking dope. I had to break up because it
Speaker 1: was like the curse. She used to go to the
Speaker 1: same school as Tony and we didn't around school. It
Speaker 1: was like high school. Yeah, and one thing I think
Speaker 1: we started. We originally had a saxophone player and a
Speaker 1: bottle bottle and guitar player like because it was like
Speaker 1: the Fleetwood Mac that were that were around, but the
Speaker 1: original Fleetwood Mac nothing what they ended up being. I
Speaker 1: wished to go and see them. We n see John
Speaker 1: Miles Blues Breakers. And there was a club in Birmingham
Speaker 1: called I'm Anish Club now, but we used to go
Speaker 1: in and we used to see all these different bands.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw Candy Eat there once. I was
Speaker 1: like an American banding Birmingham freaks out, how many how
Speaker 1: many people would be in a club like that? Then
Speaker 1: no Ah, great, there's seven hundred thousand and most. Then
Speaker 1: there was a club, a few clubs in Birmingham. We
Speaker 1: used to go with our van full of a quick
Speaker 1: my just in case the band never made and we've
Speaker 1: got any bank. We've gone played be Standing for Blands
Speaker 1: or ten years after jeth Road Show the band amazing,
Speaker 1: and then we played with Jets Hotel and Tony got
Speaker 1: off with the gig and then I remember thinking, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it's gone now because Tony was somewhere else for it.
Speaker 1: I mean he still is. Yeah, it's nobody on the
Speaker 1: face of the other couldn't come up with the riffs
Speaker 1: like the King of the Riffs. Oh it's great, And
Speaker 1: then you know it was just it's kind of we
Speaker 1: all live. Did he ever play with Jethro Tuller, No,
Speaker 1: what I think he did a couple of TV thing
Speaker 1: He died a rock and roll the Rolling Stones, rock
Speaker 1: and Roll circles, yes, which was a chary thing. And
Speaker 1: then he died a couple of things. We wouldn't win
Speaker 1: him too long and he came back and he said,
Speaker 1: if we get out of stuff together, oh we can
Speaker 1: do it. I was like fucking house. He left Jethro
Speaker 1: to come back to us and that was a big job.
Speaker 1: That was. But Tony's one of these guys he has
Speaker 1: been told what to do, you'll do You'll fucking punch one.
Speaker 1: I know that. You know I've seen him do it.
Speaker 1: You know it's some he has been so I told
Speaker 1: me have to wear hats and and but he he was.
Speaker 1: But it was all Everything was new. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: we'd get in the van. We played the Star Club
Speaker 1: Hamburg for residency, but we had nothing to lose. It
Speaker 1: was exciting. Did people like the band right away or no? No,
Speaker 1: we we we do like at the Star Club. But
Speaker 1: it was a good training ground because you do forty
Speaker 1: five minutes on and another band would you go different
Speaker 1: every forty Yeah, so we do one that we blues
Speaker 1: songs and Bill would do a job solver once said,
Speaker 1: Tony would do a guitar us every one. I'd fuck
Speaker 1: around doing all this stuff and climbing ladders, painting my
Speaker 1: face and just generally pissing about, you know. But it
Speaker 1: was a good experience, better than being in Birmingham unemployed.
Speaker 1: I said. We just got b lived from hand to
Speaker 1: mouth and it was fun. Any band that I've ever
Speaker 1: been in the early stages of the band have been
Speaker 1: the most fun because everybody's in the same boat. But
Speaker 1: that remember, I'll remember Jim Simpson, the original manager sign
Speaker 1: on the Wye down to the Fairies today Ferry. We
Speaker 1: just stop off with the recordings to the region sound
Speaker 1: and record them songs you've been doing. Probably just got
Speaker 1: the set up recording went away two days like the
Speaker 1: two six l seasons twelve. So just like the live
Speaker 1: set we had the audience. We've been planning life. So
Speaker 1: I remember coming back from Europe for Christmas and the
Speaker 1: managers come over. I got the artwork to show and
Speaker 1: back then to have the gate Pole album Sleep was
Speaker 1: like the big thing. And when we saw that first
Speaker 1: album Sleep, we're like, fucking, what is this? We right,
Speaker 1: just seven album that was so cool. And then the
Speaker 1: album came out and we heard the album with a
Speaker 1: because when we recorded it, we never had the effects
Speaker 1: like the thunder, the weird voice effects, and it was
Speaker 1: just amazing. And then I'm in a club and I'm
Speaker 1: my first advance was one hundred and five pounds. I thought,
Speaker 1: I never thought, let's say that much money. So I'm
Speaker 1: in the club and this guy comes. Just when he goes,
Speaker 1: I said, he's got some good news to tell you.
Speaker 1: As so what's that? This is? Your album entered the
Speaker 1: British chart next week and someone was seventeen or something.
Speaker 1: Are you winding me up? You're joking? And it remained
Speaker 1: there for eighteen months. Time it was going ome and
Speaker 1: down the chart which showed me had parent and went
Speaker 1: straight at number one. I'm like, because he must as yourself,
Speaker 1: you don't when you do. When you're doing something, you
Speaker 1: like it, yeah, but when somebody goes, I fucking that's
Speaker 1: that's all you need. But when somebody comes and says
Speaker 1: your album's in the charts and everything's going one way,
Speaker 1: and it was just it doesn't make sense. It's like
Speaker 1: you don't believe it. He don't believe real. Ye, it's
Speaker 1: like you can't accept it, you know why? Well I
Speaker 1: did complain. Things started to look up and Sharon Father
Speaker 1: one of the managers, then somebody else that worked for him, girls,
Speaker 1: and it's just everything was up and up, but we
Speaker 1: got ripped up royally by manager and badly. Remember the
Speaker 1: first time you do a show where people really liked it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first time they liked it, like like we did
Speaker 1: a jump Pell radio show. Oh y, we hadn't even
Speaker 1: recorded the more written the songs by that point people
Speaker 1: started to when they album got in the chart. It
Speaker 1: was like we used to play his underground clubs. Underground
Speaker 1: then was what underground underground? But it was good word
Speaker 1: of mouth. Yes, saw Black Sabbath in the first we
Speaker 1: said fuck TV, fuck doing this. We were a people's
Speaker 1: band calling and back in England then it was like
Speaker 1: doing top of the pubs was a banging but we
Speaker 1: all did it or eventually and it was just to
Speaker 1: make the first something ms you could sabbably sell. Then
Speaker 1: the drugs, the alcohol, the wives, the divorced and all
Speaker 1: the trappings. You know, we found it the man who
Speaker 1: was ripping us. Though we tried to manage ourselves, we
Speaker 1: fucking clue and the booze started to get heavy. I
Speaker 1: started to drink more, and Bill started to drink more,
Speaker 1: and me and Bill and Tony and Gooze we just
Speaker 1: got ugly. Now I didn't get good. There was no fight.
Speaker 1: It was a band that we believed in what we
Speaker 1: were doing at first, and then we got royally take
Speaker 1: into the cleaners and we just thought, what's the poison?
Speaker 1: And when they fired me, I thought, Sharon's Votom's managers
Speaker 1: yet again, and I thought, we don't want you to
Speaker 1: be getting sucked up all. That's what I was, And
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. At that point, I just said
Speaker 1: I'm done. It sounds like it was already bad at
Speaker 1: that time. Anyway, rememberable we ended up making music to
Speaker 1: pay our lawyers fees. Yeah, And we all said to
Speaker 1: each other many times what we needed someone like Sharon
Speaker 1: or Father, somebody to come and say, hey, you need
Speaker 1: to try yourself though, get your shit together and write
Speaker 1: somebody to tell us what we what was wrong because
Speaker 1: our egos, we're running the show in under the implant,
Speaker 1: the drugs and alcohol. I just went to and Sharon's
Speaker 1: officer got me up a partmagine in West La Parker Hotel.
Speaker 1: I thought, I fucking last spling any money I got?
Speaker 1: How old were you at that time? I was about thirty.
Speaker 1: I thought I got that spinge. So Sharon comes O
Speaker 1: away when sing, she goes. Listen as she goes. If
Speaker 1: you get yourself to go, we want to manage her
Speaker 1: because I was thought. I thought no one wanted to
Speaker 1: manage a singer. Then I met Randy, and then then
Speaker 1: another thing happened to me. How do you meet Randy?
Speaker 1: A guy called Dana Strum from Slaughter remember the bunch o.
Speaker 1: Dana Strum was my original choice for a bugget. Sharon
Speaker 1: got me auditioning people. I'd never auditioned anybody in my life.
Speaker 1: Or I go, no, I don't like him. She will
Speaker 1: tell him I got no, you tell him I get
Speaker 1: it a woman so um Danna said, got me all
Speaker 1: this guitar house. I was out to lunch all the
Speaker 1: from I remember part one, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: this one kid, and you got it's great, some m
Speaker 1: three sheets to win. I'm in my apartment and he
Speaker 1: comes in, this little guy who must have weighed one
Speaker 1: hundred and five pounds wet. I mean he was like
Speaker 1: like a woman. I said, Oh, you gotta be joking.
Speaker 1: He's just hear me out. He's gonna come down to
Speaker 1: my studio studio working. Hear him play. Yeah, oh go
Speaker 1: ahead the studio. I'm thinking I'm hallucination. This kid comes
Speaker 1: in with this little lamb. I'm blew my lights wow,
Speaker 1: And you knew right away. I mean this kid was
Speaker 1: like this kid was like someone else, always like even
Speaker 1: in the fuck up sto you want a gig? I mean,
Speaker 1: he was unbelieving. Then he came to England and I
Speaker 1: was still married to my accent. He's just stayed with
Speaker 1: me for leaving me in for a while and we
Speaker 1: wrote Goodbye to Romans the first time we ever wrote incredible.
Speaker 1: But then he was like it was like this. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like he didn't get He wasn't a party. He
Speaker 1: was a true musician in respect. He wrote music, you
Speaker 1: talk music and he would give the opening bands lessons
Speaker 1: on fucking finger chapter and what. But it was yeah,
Speaker 1: there again, it was the early time. Then we got
Speaker 1: successful in the fucking lawsuits. Sorry, agreed, but you know
Speaker 1: it's for some reason. I've been out of sabbaths now
Speaker 1: forty years, but it seems like the time that I
Speaker 1: was with him seems longer than I'm being are. I
Speaker 1: don't know what a is. Yeah, it's just it's such
Speaker 1: a defining it's such a defining band. But we don't.
Speaker 1: But when you're in it, yes, you know you you
Speaker 1: love the adulation, you love the success, yes, but you
Speaker 1: just go because you did it. Yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't understand what. I'll never forget about working with
Speaker 1: you in that studio. Yes, you do this. Every time
Speaker 1: I'd sing it, go Ozzie, I'd have to like nine
Speaker 1: times you go Ozzie. That was great, Just give me
Speaker 1: one more, Like how can it be fucking in that
Speaker 1: fucking book? Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, we made a
Speaker 1: good album. I was great it right, number one. That
Speaker 1: was our first number number one in both solo and
Speaker 1: big incredible in America. It was like number one in
Speaker 1: thirteen countries. Yeah wow, I mean the album was called
Speaker 1: thirteen number one in thirteen countries. But that dang, And
Speaker 1: you know the first time. I remember the first time
Speaker 1: we talked about making the Black Sabbath three about nineteen.
Speaker 1: It was a very long time ago in that place
Speaker 1: in a sunset yes for you and the other game,
Speaker 1: we were saying you your yes. I remember we sat
Speaker 1: in that room and all the members were there and
Speaker 1: we talked about doing it then, and you had spoken
Speaker 1: before before that separately Yes, yes, yes, And I remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but for me,
Speaker 1: this was a big deal in my life. You came
Speaker 1: to my house one night before before that house, my
Speaker 1: first house in La You came late one night after
Speaker 1: the Rainbow Yes, and we listened to Black Sabbath music
Speaker 1: until the sun came up, and you performed a whole
Speaker 1: Black Sabbath performance for me in my living room. And
Speaker 1: it was one of the greatest experiences of my life
Speaker 1: because I never got to see Black Sabbath became me.
Speaker 1: Are going listen, You're gonna mind me a promise if
Speaker 1: you ever get back wellecond but if you ever get
Speaker 1: back with the boys, please let me produce an album.
Speaker 1: You pop at different plays. I like that song maybe
Speaker 1: the Student, and I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: we're doing but you can and you and oh the
Speaker 1: extra tracks on the live album, you go, I like
Speaker 1: that that one sucks and walks out, I mean, and
Speaker 1: then I was the arkepts going in brick rooms. He
Speaker 1: really wants to do an album. Yeah, it was fun
Speaker 1: doing that. It was fun. It was fun worth that
Speaker 1: and it's funny that we talked about it like fifteen
Speaker 1: or twenty years before and then finally came to fruition.
Speaker 1: Do you know, I was just tongue hundred the democ
Speaker 1: what I said, you know something, Well, I'm a believer
Speaker 1: in this. The amount of people on this plane is
Speaker 1: and in a one lifetime you'll only meet a certain amount,
Speaker 1: and things are meant to happen the way. It's when
Speaker 1: I believe believer too. I mean when when I when
Speaker 1: I was married to another woman, Yes i'd see Sharon,
Speaker 1: I would go should we do? I was always a
Speaker 1: track And it's amazing the why things turn out meant
Speaker 1: to be meant to be. And you guys are incredible together.
Speaker 1: Well nobody else could put up I'm not, but it's
Speaker 1: just incredible. I look award to look down that road
Speaker 1: and the things that happened. I just I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes seventy one and I'm just bude. Another album. Amazing,
Speaker 1: so cool. The album's really cool. It's amazing when it
Speaker 1: just comes together like that in a month I've done.
Speaker 1: It's so great. We'll be back with more from Sharon
Speaker 1: and Ozzie after the break. Here's Ozzie and Rick listening
Speaker 1: to Straight to Hell, the first single off Azzie's new album.
Speaker 1: That's great. Your your voice is ever eternal. It's like
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable how much you sound like you all the time,
Speaker 1: and how good it is. Amazing, so exciting to hear.
Speaker 1: Ordinary man Alten's on this phone. Let's hear how did
Speaker 1: that song come about? It just climbed out the first
Speaker 1: song we ever wrote. It's so good. It's really good.
Speaker 1: You know I signed to something recently. Most of the
Speaker 1: best stuff I've ever done. Yeah, I just clime out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Amazing. Can you sit there for weeks and
Speaker 1: weeks you think you're going now And some of them
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me stories about the way Sabbath
Speaker 1: would write, where you just jam and what Sabbath would do.
Speaker 1: We're just jam on my pick, riff, shout and just
Speaker 1: lincome together. And I just like stick of vocal now.
Speaker 1: It was it was a good education because a lot
Speaker 1: of kids I've never heard of. It's a jam, you know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a lot of fun, you know, absolute
Speaker 1: Is it fun to make? Music's the best thing in
Speaker 1: the world. Oh no, I don't know anything. Ye a
Speaker 1: journey fifty years and we're so lucky we get to
Speaker 1: do this. Unbelievable. I mean, I don't know where it
Speaker 1: can I'm from, you know, But it's just I'm complaining.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I hear also, I hear like some of
Speaker 1: the Beatle influence on the writing and the string parts
Speaker 1: so cool. And if you sound and you sound the same,
Speaker 1: which is what's so incredible. It's like you sound so
Speaker 1: remarkably like you every time, and strong and fresh and
Speaker 1: all of the there's so much energy in your voice.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. I just do you just do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no nobody else in my family has ever been
Speaker 1: involved in music in any way. I've come from stress
Speaker 1: far with those siblings to have died. But no, he's
Speaker 1: uh got any beautical Jack my son goes to me,
Speaker 1: statusis I like the Beetles, But I don't see what
Speaker 1: you're going about it, and okay, it's slightly imagine this
Speaker 1: going to bed today in black and white and waking
Speaker 1: up in Carla. That's what it was like. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he goes what I thought. I still don't understand. I said,
Speaker 1: we in England were just I was like nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: whatever early and the water ended fifteen years ago. We
Speaker 1: changed that long and all of a sudden this band
Speaker 1: comes out, which swamp the last thing we have do
Speaker 1: that much matters in Germany and they were like fucking huge.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time you heard them? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: tell me I got a transit transistor radio. Yes. Then
Speaker 1: it was that they progressed to get over. I'm walking
Speaker 1: down Posy Ministry. I'm about thirteen, and I'm leaning on
Speaker 1: all his leading on the lamp post and fucking all
Speaker 1: his pub songs and whatever. You're on the radio. Suddenly
Speaker 1: she Loves You comes on. I stopped and it was
Speaker 1: like I was awakened. Wow, it was like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: I want with Paul McCarney to marry my sister. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just fantastic for me, and it was I
Speaker 1: loved them. I absent my wed by a wall in
Speaker 1: my bedroom was covered in anything with the name on
Speaker 1: and anytime anything they put out you would be you
Speaker 1: would get an immediately. I'd work delivering food, call or whatever. Yes.
Speaker 1: And by a Beatle record, I mean it was fucking amazing,
Speaker 1: which people go, you know, hut it out to some
Speaker 1: people now, But the Beatles for me, were you other
Speaker 1: than the Beatles? Were there other who were the other
Speaker 1: things that really just let you up musically? Uh? The King,
Speaker 1: the Kinks, you really got my l uh manfred Man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh this down? Led Zeppelin? Yeah, I mean when we
Speaker 1: when we When I first heard them first two Zeppelin albums,
Speaker 1: it it was unbelieving. Really you were you already a
Speaker 1: band yet or not? Yes? But were you remove about
Speaker 1: has breast behind them? I mean when I heard that
Speaker 1: first Zeppelin album, yeah, one and two, Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: put after that, I kind of lost you. The moment
Speaker 1: could be we're doing our own thing. I was to
Speaker 1: go drinking. We bought them a law, good guy. I
Speaker 1: every drunk. Great when the show when you show me's
Speaker 1: an asshole, I've been around you drunk. You you were
Speaker 1: never an asshole? Oh not to not to me. I
Speaker 1: never said I never saw I've seen you bad, but
Speaker 1: I've never seen you unpleasant to be around. Hard my moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had two wives, I don't know a job,
Speaker 1: another job, the more fuck up your turn up to
Speaker 1: a gig, Oh it's going to be crazy, gonna be
Speaker 1: a good notice, which I remember there was a story
Speaker 1: where one of you tried to kill the other. Which
Speaker 1: which was it? Oh that one he tried to kill you? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: how how serious was it? He had? He had a blackout,
Speaker 1: as he had a blackout and it was really really serious.
Speaker 1: But I knew something was happening because he'd been out
Speaker 1: of it for like a week. So it was a
Speaker 1: week of like experimenting with pills and alcohol and he
Speaker 1: was just like on a roll. Yeah, and you could
Speaker 1: feel it building. You knew something was going to happen,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it happened. But then then he was good.
Speaker 1: Had to go into treatment for six months. He was good. Okay, man,
Speaker 1: I got drunk again. But you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: they go, oh, I tried rehab. It didn't work. You
Speaker 1: get it when you get it, if you but if
Speaker 1: and if you don't get it, you don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't to be honest with you, I have a
Speaker 1: problem walking with that alcohol now, line with it. You know.
Speaker 1: If I if I was okay, we got'll be still drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I got so fed up, a feeling like crap
Speaker 1: without it, you know. Oh no, No, I just must
Speaker 1: have been six or seven out rehab three or four,
Speaker 1: a few rehaps about fifteen, and then I just stopped. Great,
Speaker 1: I'm just about any seven years now. Amazing. Congratulations our son.
Speaker 1: He's what I mean, sixty seventeen years. Wow, he got
Speaker 1: so bad seventeen I believe that it's amazing. It really is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watching a bit about him, I'll never never forget what
Speaker 1: he said to me. We had a run such him
Speaker 1: one day. So long as going now suck? What the
Speaker 1: fuck are you always complaining about? You've never wanted for
Speaker 1: a damn thing? Oh yeah, what about your dad? That
Speaker 1: was a good fucking I just read fuck Jack Arms
Speaker 1: so sorry because it's undeniable. Yeah, always there but not there, yea, yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what alcohol and drugs. You think physically there, but
Speaker 1: you're not there. You might maybe at ark on the
Speaker 1: fucking road. You know. We'll be back with more from
Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne after the break, we're back with more from
Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne. Any of the metal bands that you liked, um,
Speaker 1: not really okay, Any any bands that came in the
Speaker 1: week I didn't we good? I mean that last Black
Speaker 1: Sabbaths it was pretty We had been fighting each other,
Speaker 1: fighting the world, and now we're going down, so well,
Speaker 1: I'd go, let's fucking get a bling. It was Carlot,
Speaker 1: we're needing a break from you loved? I say, oh, well, great,
Speaker 1: yeah for me, for me too. It's the Beatles and
Speaker 1: a CDC are like blun Scott was a great singer,
Speaker 1: great great Brian's all right, but I prefer Barn Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Highway to Hell, the rhythm section, the way those
Speaker 1: guys playing, I mean, diammed up a Black Sabbaths in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. Thing Wow in Sydney, Australia. Wow. Great.
Speaker 1: Did you know what time you saw me? Like you
Speaker 1: knew it was special? Oh? I mean angers, To be honest,
Speaker 1: I thought it's been a gimmick and a sash on
Speaker 1: a short pack. But they when they playing, yeah, when
Speaker 1: they fucking I mean, here's a guy didn't do all
Speaker 1: this little all beyond the neck and all his fucking
Speaker 1: he played me. That's what I like about it. There
Speaker 1: ain't no one to touch Hanger's young for that groove.
Speaker 1: Yeah down, you know when you can bang your head
Speaker 1: all day and not get fed up. It's true. I
Speaker 1: mean they worked the absolute but two that you said
Speaker 1: about their rhythm section was brilliant. You just never had
Speaker 1: any It's so the rhythm, rhythm, rhythm, it was always
Speaker 1: so danceable. Yea, even you know, why don't we try
Speaker 1: and do a fucking danceable kind of because we missed
Speaker 1: the riff man. He could fucking come up wanted to do,
Speaker 1: but that Sabbath would try and fuck things. Oh, I
Speaker 1: mean what we would do be sending sound remotely commercial.
Speaker 1: We throw a spanner in the work, all these fucking words,
Speaker 1: the weird changes and that that wasn't my copy. And
Speaker 1: when they got gerald woodroupe and keyboard, I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck this. Me and Bill used to travel together on
Speaker 1: a GMC mobile home, which was looking back, we had
Speaker 1: such a fucking blood it was. It was like a
Speaker 1: fucking You'd get up every morning, you have a coffee,
Speaker 1: glass of milk, a glass of orange Jude, and the
Speaker 1: Bill every morning altogether. Yeah, so I'd go, Bill, excuse
Speaker 1: me for asking you this? What's the deal? We all
Speaker 1: the what's the Rabby morning he was all the coff
Speaker 1: if he wakes me up, the orange, excuse me out healthy,
Speaker 1: the milk, put butts a line on my stomach, and
Speaker 1: the Bill put me back to sleep. He had it
Speaker 1: all worked out. So you and you rode on the
Speaker 1: bus with Bills and and he was your your travel partner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then would Geezer and Tony team up that would
Speaker 1: be flying everywhere m you preferred the bus. B and
Speaker 1: I were like close. I when when the actual encome
Speaker 1: that got him to fire me? Wow, I bother were
Speaker 1: surprised when they fired you. Now you know what to
Speaker 1: be perfectly truths. I'd lost it. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: was just, I mean, I go, why do you have
Speaker 1: to fly off around the world to do nothing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't he I mean, I should say said At one
Speaker 1: point I was going, well, Queen did this, this one
Speaker 1: did though? We should do And I said, and I said,
Speaker 1: one day, I think we've got a problem with the
Speaker 1: bands that we want to influence and now influence in us.
Speaker 1: Can we look at the way And I wasn't any
Speaker 1: better than them. Oh that were any better. It was
Speaker 1: just we're like, we need we needed rescuing, but we
Speaker 1: didn't trust anybody. I didn't want to do it anymore
Speaker 1: with them. I was bored with the concerts. I was
Speaker 1: bored with the recording. I would be poor bored with it.
Speaker 1: I did. Wasn't into it, Yeah I was, But the
Speaker 1: problem is where do I go? Yeah? I felt like
Speaker 1: if you've had a life from where you come from,
Speaker 1: it it's been up your fire everywhere you find great hotel. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was thinking, if I've jumped, I'm done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm never going to do it again. And when Shannon
Speaker 1: came out and said you wanted to marriagement, I was like,
Speaker 1: why does anybody want to move? Fucking And then behold
Speaker 1: it happened again. Amazing. And then because when I was
Speaker 1: on my doing my solo thing, yes and we all
Speaker 1: had a Matella was opening for me, I'd compass said,
Speaker 1: just remember not a sorry, he's taking the piss out
Speaker 1: of me, joking with me. I know why. And every
Speaker 1: time I Compass e recon start playing Black Sabbath music.
Speaker 1: Now I think you're Black Sabbath of their heroes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think people would commentary talking to
Speaker 1: me about Sabbath all the time. I'd go, you like that,
Speaker 1: I got paranoid, I am and warping. And then it
Speaker 1: took on sing thing. You know, it got bigger than
Speaker 1: we did. Yes, yeah, you know it kind of like
Speaker 1: it's that's just kind of fair statement, the myth of
Speaker 1: Black Sabbath, But we didn't really mean. Gauze is a great,
Speaker 1: great lyricist, amazing and a great bass player. Oh for fantastic.
Speaker 1: Nob to touch him. He's fucking fantastic in the band
Speaker 1: building building his day was a great drummer Tony. He's
Speaker 1: always going to be the great kids. No one to
Speaker 1: touch him player. And to this day, I still don't
Speaker 1: understand how he plays guitar because he's got no fingertips,
Speaker 1: plays with plastic fingers. Yes, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know him. Chime and chili again, how do you know
Speaker 1: when you're hitting the string? When you when you met him,
Speaker 1: had he already lost his fingers? It was scored? Was
Speaker 1: he think you couldn't even watch more? Sixteen seventeen and
Speaker 1: the doctor said, forget playing guitar, You'll never play again. Wow,
Speaker 1: only shroved le Bron. I mean he did not only
Speaker 1: play it again, he fucking become one of the world
Speaker 1: fucking best. I mean there's a man you know, when
Speaker 1: he got diagnosed at cancer, what have I got to do?
Speaker 1: And he will do with you. That's what he's. That's him.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can. I mean I'm like, he's like, right,
Speaker 1: what I have to do? Yeah, he's He's always been
Speaker 1: lay very calm. He go if you don't panic. Hey
Speaker 1: was the band really and we were all part of
Speaker 1: the band, but he was the most irreplicable one. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't hard to say, hard to say. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's the four, the four together as well. Yeah
Speaker 1: it is. It's like you could replace, you can't replace.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't replace any of them. But you
Speaker 1: don't know that because you always think online alcohol, bline, instrument.
Speaker 1: But it's often the it's not who's best, it's the
Speaker 1: combination together that makes It's like it's like if you
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like if you're cooking something or garlic
Speaker 1: is better, it's it's the recipe, yes, right, but it's
Speaker 1: like you but you know, you always think it's you.
Speaker 1: It's called in the band back cut. I'm playing this
Speaker 1: when people will say to me, why did you always
Speaker 1: sing on the side of the stage, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1: Just I don't know, just because Tony he's one of
Speaker 1: the few people who could walk into this room, don't now,
Speaker 1: and I would fucking feel intimidated. Wow. He intimidates the
Speaker 1: fuck enemy. Wow. And he knows it. But when on
Speaker 1: the album that we made last, I didn't get the
Speaker 1: feeling that there was any you know, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got the impression. I don't know what. I've never known this.
Speaker 1: But he had his friend with him. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the deal was with him, why he bore him.
Speaker 1: Remember that guy he bought out with him? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: He was the guy does his own work at home.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean engineer, maybe producer, engineer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's one of he wants to fill every hole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what just what happens, you know. So when
Speaker 1: we first did the first album, we did it on
Speaker 1: two four track machine bounced Over. Then we had eight
Speaker 1: track there, we had a sixteen track, then we had
Speaker 1: thirty two so one. But on that first album and
Speaker 1: half Apparent sometimes only don't look forward track. You mean
Speaker 1: him dubbed everything on the first album Bill drums were
Speaker 1: in mono and peas around. You just started playing bass
Speaker 1: not longer. You know, it was just to play rhythm
Speaker 1: in the robbery. But he just we just wanted to play.
Speaker 1: He's a great player, great lyricist. Hey. It was just
Speaker 1: you know, I supposing in fairs to say that the
Speaker 1: chemistry and the recipe was a good recipe, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: the tone of your voice next to the next to
Speaker 1: the guitar, next to Tony's guitar, that combination amazing that
Speaker 1: just happened. It's like it's a miracle. I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember when we did Uh Volume four, which was originally
Speaker 1: gonna be cool snow Blind, but the record well Warner
Speaker 1: too drug orient tried to show Now you get fucking
Speaker 1: gladly calling from I don't know how we used to do.
Speaker 1: It's just I've tried writing that form with the bounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because no, it's it's unique to that particular group of people.
Speaker 1: And it when as soon as you guys came here
Speaker 1: and started playing, it's so unremarkable. It's like remarkable how
Speaker 1: much it always sounds like Black Sabbath when you guys
Speaker 1: are together. It's like you can't not sound like you
Speaker 1: could play a cover of someone else and it would
Speaker 1: still just sound like a Black Sabbath song, an original. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But the only thing about the album word the video
Speaker 1: is Bill wasn't playing. We'd have been still doing the
Speaker 1: fucking album now, because it's funny because he almost was.
Speaker 1: I remembered when we rehearsed with him and he was
Speaker 1: excited and then he sort of backed away. Yeah, from
Speaker 1: the rip up those He takes so much time over everything,
Speaker 1: and and Tony said to me, one day's not Bill's trouble.
Speaker 1: He still thinks everybody's not ripping muffle, which I get.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sharon's my fucking but I ain't no better
Speaker 1: than Bill or any of them. I'm lucky to have
Speaker 1: a wife who's on my side. Yes, because he's fuckers
Speaker 1: man that would come in and give you all this bullshit,
Speaker 1: drive you around in a fucking flash car, show a
Speaker 1: bit of money, and then you can sue them, and
Speaker 1: it takes you a fucking lifetime to win. The lawyers win,
Speaker 1: you gloss your start and your fuck and that's where
Speaker 1: they go. Sharon five was a ring now fucking rip hey,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I love my world. Now. I
Speaker 1: mean I've done some stupid things. He's will been weird much,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you go, she must love me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: must be lucky to have someone that does love me. Yes,
Speaker 1: she well, he got stung for a lot of cash.
Speaker 1: But then again, I said to Bill Ward one day
Speaker 1: on the phone a little while ago. Now, I say,
Speaker 1: you know what, in a way, for as far as
Speaker 1: almost concerned, it was a blessing that I never got
Speaker 1: all that cash up front, because with what cash I had,
Speaker 1: with what cash I had, I don't know a good
Speaker 1: joe and nearly killing myself. Yeah, I knew you'd Bill, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. I wouldn't be sitting here. And that's for sure.
Speaker 1: If I got all the millions up front, we would
Speaker 1: have been fucking dead. Yeah. Yeah, it's all good money
Speaker 1: at the I mean, you get kids from a fuck
Speaker 1: all one day and give them a million dollars. Fuck,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Have you ever gone
Speaker 1: back to where you were one train? You go? What
Speaker 1: the fuck would I thinking? All the time. It's like
Speaker 1: anytime I anytime I happened to tap back in or
Speaker 1: see an old picture or something, and I try to
Speaker 1: remember what that was like. It's like a different life.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's like, why did I get there? From there? Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean not. I was married, I had two children,
Speaker 1: I was done. You know, I got a house, car, holidays,
Speaker 1: somewhat bit a cat drink when I wanted to do
Speaker 1: bit of dope when I wanted to do so, I
Speaker 1: thought that was you. Yeah, and then I thought I don't. Now. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean, life's amising journey. Do you never know what's
Speaker 1: going to come up? You know? Oh? This take this
Speaker 1: last year, I got to go to the bathroom, fell
Speaker 1: on my face. I'm virtually crippled, totally. Guess it's approbably
Speaker 1: I snapped my well did something more spine. But then again,
Speaker 1: I've fallen downstairs, I've fallen out of windows of fucking
Speaker 1: this and that, and it's something stupid like I'm for
Speaker 1: a bit, I'm falling on your face in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. That's typical, ito, isn't heah Sides law.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll tell you what so many one said
Speaker 1: to me, Oh see, what was the best gift you
Speaker 1: ever had? I'm thinking, shambled me on watch, trying to think,
Speaker 1: and then it fucking hit me. Had my father that
Speaker 1: brought me a microphone, I wouldn't be here. Wow, my
Speaker 1: father bought me a pa yes when you dead for it,
Speaker 1: and bought me a microphone, and that's caught me gigs. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean I never repaid him because I was so
Speaker 1: fucking going out and I'm the king of the world
Speaker 1: for fucking tenua. Then he passed away my mom. So
Speaker 1: what I did? I well, okay, my siblings bits of
Speaker 1: money in there. But it does seem like it's it's
Speaker 1: meant to be like I mean, I think my my
Speaker 1: pearl dad went to work, comrade come shine at nights
Speaker 1: the fucking as long as I can remember. And I
Speaker 1: never fucking crossed his palment. I mean, he was still working.
Speaker 1: It was fucked up, and must have he must have
Speaker 1: been really regardless of that. He must have been really
Speaker 1: proud of your SI had to be. I uh. Before
Speaker 1: I got five from the showers, I left for a
Speaker 1: short while, perhaps a month show. I went, I went
Speaker 1: to the pre I love Davis anousment. I was such
Speaker 1: a such am. I left black sabers. He went threw
Speaker 1: so he always back to you. He was a good
Speaker 1: It sounds like good simple man. Yeah, he just I mean,
Speaker 1: I only wish I wish he was sure. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll go to my own like, Okay, I wish
Speaker 1: he was here for me to have a chat, like
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you now, I'd love to have a
Speaker 1: chat with him, and so many one situations. I'll never
Speaker 1: get on with my father. But he's on his deathbed.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether I should go and see him.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Whether you got something nice
Speaker 1: or bad to say to him, do it now because
Speaker 1: we're up the road. He ain't. Yeah, you're gonna kick
Speaker 1: kick your butt forever. Just say what you gotta say.
Speaker 1: How's your relationship with Jack? Now? Oh it's great, it's great.
Speaker 1: He's got three girls, he got married, he got fucking divorced,
Speaker 1: and I mean I love him, I absolutely, I love
Speaker 1: My kids will take off me though, Oh fucking I'm
Speaker 1: sponging up. But I got that. I go, what is he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You actually your boy gets older? Yeah? Boys are cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: girls will send you to a fucking learns. Because I'm
Speaker 1: not joking. Jack goes, come on, let's go go on
Speaker 1: the shooting Ryan just an. But Jack, he's a great father,
Speaker 1: he's a great he's pretty good hands on dad, yeah,
Speaker 1: which all I wasn't so much fucking hands on me,
Speaker 1: get me back to bed. It's been great saying you're
Speaker 1: Rick same man. A pleasure always and I hope to
Speaker 1: see you again soon. Absolutely out and listen to music.
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