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Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, what's up? This is Questlove and you're checking

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Speaker 1: out QLs Classic. So some time back, way back, I

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Speaker 1: think around twenty eighteen, there was a mythical unearthed with

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Speaker 1: quotations project called Top Shelf nineteen eighty eight. It featured

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the all stars of the what

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Speaker 1: I call the Latin Quarter era of hip hop, the

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Speaker 1: Latin Quarter era known as the classic hip hop era.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those songs that are now staples and

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Speaker 1: hip hop they basically got their debut when.

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Speaker 2: DJ Red Alert was spinning at the Latin Quarter.

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Speaker 1: Womonarias like Chubb Rot, also Grad Master Cast, Belly, Mal

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Speaker 1: Smooth be Of Nice, Smooth Dress, A Black Sheet, Masta,

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Speaker 1: A Grandpoopa, Jungle Brothers, Dougie Fresh, Special, Led, MC Light,

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Speaker 1: Craig G, Big Daddy, Kane, Bis Marquis, and of course

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Speaker 1: MC Search. What can I say, man, this is like

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Speaker 1: one of those rare summit meetings that I've always dreamed

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Speaker 1: about having a conversation with my uh, you know, my

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Speaker 1: comrades and the gods that built hip hop culture as

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Speaker 1: I knew and loved it. Ladies and gentlemen, let's go

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Speaker 1: back back in time to a classic era and Quest

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme history. This is the Top Shelf nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: eight episode Let's go.

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Speaker 2: So Luke that man.

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Speaker 1: Hatt's just let's just kick it off. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: do not attempt to adjust your your.

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Speaker 2: Doing your dial.

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Speaker 1: This is probably my my, my greatest dream manifesting right

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Speaker 1: now in front of in front of my eyes, Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, I'm surround the ride, all my idols literally

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Speaker 1: in front of This is Quest Love Supreme. Only on Pandora.

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Speaker 1: We have the world's greatest right in front of me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce you one by one. Starting up, we

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Speaker 1: have sur Kane, Big Dady King, Hello, I will talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Craig g Yeah, in the house.

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Speaker 2: I want you, sir.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing.

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Speaker 3: MC light is in the house. Good evening, Hello, Special

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Speaker 3: Ed is in the house. What it is like flat

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Speaker 3: buy church as stand up for me? All MC search

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Speaker 3: is in the house.

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Speaker 4: White people stand up.

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Speaker 1: We also have Vinji Greenberg from Roston Records, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Did you bring me a Bromani brothers, I gotta go

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Speaker 1: back and get you on about that. And brotherly, I

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Speaker 1: el I'm gonna put your name bro.

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Speaker 5: No, no, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna say it one more time.

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Speaker 5: I I led there.

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Speaker 2: Get your jew right.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm trying to one more time. Elkare Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Louis Vats get it right.

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Speaker 6: Word.

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Speaker 1: We are here to I guess, kick off or celebrate

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Speaker 1: the Top Shelf project. I can't stress enough to our

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Speaker 1: listeners how crucial the year of nineteen eighty eight was

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Speaker 1: for hip hop history. And you know to hear of

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Speaker 1: this project. First of all, this came out of nowhere,

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Speaker 1: at least for me. I never heard of this. The

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Speaker 1: idea of can you give us who can who can

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Speaker 1: best describe to me the history of the Top Shelf

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight project, the genesis of it.

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Speaker 7: I'll take that.

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Speaker 7: I had moved to New York in two thousand, was

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Speaker 7: This idea, like what if we got like our idols

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Speaker 7: And we didn't I didn't know anybody, really, it was

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Speaker 7: this whole backstory of top shelf Studios and all the

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Speaker 7: tapes were lost in the Tompkin Square Park rides and

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Speaker 7: to five to five Freddy and I went to it.

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Speaker 7: We went to his house and we played him a

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Speaker 7: the concept of it, which was basically there was the

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Speaker 7: studio from nineteen eighty eight called Top Shelf. All the

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Speaker 7: out whatever, and during the Tonquin Square Park rides, all

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Speaker 7: the tapes were lost.

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Speaker 2: And now crazy by the way, thank you.

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Speaker 7: And now now fifteen years later, in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 7: we find these records, right, But now it's fifteen years

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Speaker 7: after that. Because I didn't have I had, I was

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Speaker 7: able to. We were able to make the record, but

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Speaker 7: we like no one was interested in putting it out,

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Speaker 7: and so it wasn't until we had success with Rostroum

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Speaker 7: properly coming out now thirty years after the fictional Top

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Speaker 7: Shelf Studios was looted during the Tompkins Square Park rides.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think it's only apropos that you do

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Speaker 1: So it seems like it's all come full circle. How

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Speaker 1: did you How did you pitch this idea to each

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Speaker 1: to the artist, yes, to each member.

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Speaker 7: Well, I thought that by having fat five Freddy on

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Speaker 7: Benji and I want to make this record, that's you know,

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Speaker 7: So it was a lot more effective to be like, hey,

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Speaker 7: You know, we're making this record and blah blah blah,

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Speaker 7: and and people like the beats. I think that's what

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Speaker 7: it came down to, is people were feeling the energy

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Speaker 7: but to me, it was like, you know, to me,

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Speaker 7: it was a celebration of the music that we grew

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Speaker 7: people felt that energy or I hope they did, which

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Speaker 7: was just like it was a celebration and it was

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Speaker 7: just like a cool concept idea and like, let's just

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Speaker 7: all get together and make a record.

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Speaker 1: So I have to ask, were the tracks initially made

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Speaker 4: Or no cheated a little bit. We cheated a little bit.

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Speaker 7: We actually made them on an MPC two thousand XL.

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Speaker 7: That's close and uh and yeah, yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 7: but yeah, no, he didn't make them on sp.

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Speaker 1: Well, definitely the spirit of idiot is in there. Like

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Speaker 1: I've never thought i'd see the day where you know,

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Speaker 2: Know, for me, like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm just a lover of of of

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Speaker 1: fast wraps. So even with chub Rock's track, I was

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Speaker 1: like whoa. Like the second I heard, I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's no way he's gonna map and then he started

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Speaker 1: like out the now. Yeah, absolutely, So I have to

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Speaker 1: ask this room. There's there's one sort of common thread

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Speaker 1: that's on almost every Quest Love Supreme show, which.

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Speaker 2: I feel the.

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Speaker 1: Common denominator of all of you, because of course the

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Speaker 1: Latin quarter, of which no one salivates more over Latin

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Speaker 2: Than I do.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, without my corehorts here, who will make fun

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Speaker 1: of me of doing this. I have to ask questions

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Speaker 1: about the Latin Quarter. They literally, yeah, they made that

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Speaker 1: jingle just for me because they know and I ask

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Speaker 1: too many questions of it. But for me, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll be remiss to not let any stories of nineteen

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Speaker 1: First of all, was this room at all like socially?

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Speaker 2: Because this is.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh tell y'all man, I'm too young to

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Speaker 4: know what.

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Speaker 1: You Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think you

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Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking about. That spot really funny.

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Speaker 1: You two are actually Juice Crew remembers stars I was

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Speaker 5: To agree with ed? I was really young, but I

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Speaker 5: have Yeah, I mean when the symphony was out, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the shouting when I was twelve twelve.

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Speaker 5: And but here's the thing about Latin Quarters. I met

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Speaker 5: searching front of Latin Quarters when you had the Hate

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Speaker 5: Girls song. And the way I wound up in Latin

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Speaker 5: Quarters was I used to hey boy, my bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I used to answer the phones at the Rap Attack

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Speaker 5: for mister Magic, and some nights I would wind up

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Speaker 5: in Latin Quarters with mister Magic underage, scared to death,

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Speaker 5: and I remember bumping into Search in front of there.

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Speaker 5: I remember seeing a couple of shows there, but I

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Speaker 8: Well they made sure that you got a wristband for alcohol.

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Speaker 8: So I was at Latin Quarters are fifteen, Yeah, and

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Speaker 8: it was okay, And I didn't even want to be

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Speaker 8: just on a music front, you seeing all the dancers

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Speaker 8: and everything, that liquor was the last thing on my mind.

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Speaker 9: I agree, I mean I wasn't even I think I

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Speaker 9: maybe went to the bar. I can probably count on

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Speaker 9: one hand. And it was all five times we're read

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Speaker 9: alert to have poopoo juice because he would call us

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Speaker 9: all to the bar, all the violators and have poopoo juice,

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Speaker 9: which was myers rum pineapple, and I forgot the third thing,

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Speaker 9: but yeah, so that was his drink. And I've never

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Speaker 9: been anywhere in the world where they know how to

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Speaker 9: make poopoo juice, access the Latin Quarter and one bartenders

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Speaker 9: in Peace Chris Lighty, Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, Search is being modist because Search

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Speaker 10: when when you come in Latin Quarters, it's like just

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Speaker 10: you know, it's Red Alert Paradise Gray.

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Speaker 2: Mc Search. You know.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's how that's how it falls. I mean, it's like,

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Speaker 10: it was like he was the king of Latin Quarters.

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Speaker 10: That's where I met him first, like really, like like

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Speaker 10: night when Search walked in and Read threw it on

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Speaker 10: was screaming it for him. I was like, Okay, you see,

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Speaker 10: that's what I need to be doing, you know.

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Speaker 1: For real. Wait, now you mentioned something great, you said

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Speaker 1: that when you would go with Magic. But I'm under

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Speaker 5: Well, now, now the thing about it was is we're

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Speaker 1: So what was the official first year of the Latin

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Speaker 1: Quarter that we know is at eighty six?

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Tuesdays? Eighty five Tuesdays and nineteen eighty five, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Celebrity Tuesdays with Paradise and Lamumbo Cars Awesome, too awesome,

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Speaker 9: too awesome, too right, and Paradise was working, but it

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Speaker 9: was special right, that's exactly right, special Teddy Ted had

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Speaker 9: Celebrity Tuesdays.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Eighty four it was before like the whole drama started.

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Speaker 5: So I would go with Magic, and the funny thing

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Speaker 5: just like what the hell's going on here? And I

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Speaker 5: I would see. I would see Hawk and he would

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Speaker 10: But he's talking about the guy that I'm going against

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is this the Hawk that you gave a shout out

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Speaker 2: Yeah that Hawk.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm about to play out one second for half

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Speaker 1: Hawk Hawk Smooth and his acronym was Hype African Warrior,

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Speaker 1: keep kicking this smooth.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry listening. I'm sorry to.

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Speaker 4: African Warrior keeping it smooth. I'm sorry, good night.

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Speaker 5: But it predated the South bronx Bridge beef, so you

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Speaker 2: But that was kind of Brooklyn. Yo. Did you take

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Speaker 4: I just took the second street I would take.

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Speaker 2: The Age was the Latin Quarter.

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Speaker 1: The the was before the Latin Quarter was New York's

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Speaker 2: Remember to me? Like I was so for me?

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Speaker 9: Eighty three was lynn Brook Hot Skates, Empire, Roller Rink,

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Speaker 9: United States of America and Queens like the only place

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Speaker 2: Boroughs Roxy and dance.

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Speaker 9: But they were real strict about young boys going in there,

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Speaker 4: In there when you were young.

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Speaker 1: And dance Tarrian.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you were getting your hip hop from the roller

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Speaker 8: Rins without questions, questions, skates, skate.

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Speaker 2: My first show at USA, I got boot what yeah, I.

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Speaker 9: Think I got my first show at Empire Roller Rink.

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Speaker 9: I got booted because I had a trash record called

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Speaker 9: Melissa that was trash. But I could dance really good,

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Speaker 9: so that would save me. But that record was trash

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Speaker 9: because you got to remember, I went to high school

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Speaker 9: with Dan to Dana slick Rick, so I thought if

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Speaker 9: I came out with a British accent, I would be fly.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, and it was terrible.

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Speaker 9: So I performed at Celebrity Tuesday because you got some

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Speaker 9: towour playing the record, and I went there and I

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Speaker 9: I'm alien.

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Speaker 4: So I started dancing and they were.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, white boy, go white boy.

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Speaker 9: So I was like, oh, okay, like this I'm saved.

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Speaker 9: Like I figured it out, like I could be whack,

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Speaker 9: but I could dance. And then Vanilla Ice came and

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Speaker 9: just you know, took that whole steak. But I decided

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Speaker 9: become something better than just a dancing I.

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Speaker 1: See wait, you said you got how so well, I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget it.

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Speaker 2: It was again with Miss the Magic.

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Speaker 5: Joe Sla was performing and I wasn't even supposed to perform,

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Speaker 5: and something happened technically with Magic just threw me on

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Speaker 5: the mic and no DJ knew what was going on

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Speaker 5: or nothing, and I had to kick an a cappella

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Speaker 5: and they weren't really friendly with a cappella's back then

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Speaker 5: because it was dances. So you know, about eight bars in,

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Speaker 5: I think I'm kicking some hard rhyns. This is again

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Speaker 5: before I heard Kine and I threw all like seven

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Speaker 5: rhyme books away.

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Speaker 2: Yep, So my rhyme.

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Speaker 5: Was mad basic and like I said, I mean, I

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Speaker 5: just wasn't good and I was nervous as hell. Again

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Speaker 5: I'm like fourteen years old. I don't know no better.

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Speaker 5: But it didn't deter me, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: But it was weird because when he mentioned USA, it

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Speaker 5: was like one of the read like in queens everybody

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Speaker 5: came through USA. But growing up in Queensbridge, the Recenter

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Speaker 5: was almost like a celebrity spot, so you had mad

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Speaker 5: people come through. I remember being ten watching Grand Master,

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Speaker 5: I mean Graham Wizard did or cut with handcuffs on,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like ten years old, like with my sepkin On,

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Speaker 5: just amazed at it.

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Speaker 2: So I've seen a lot of stuff. But my brother.

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Speaker 5: My grandmother lived across the street from Harlem World and

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Speaker 5: forced the projects and my brother would come home. The

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Speaker 5: thing about New York back then is it wasn't as

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Speaker 5: regional as you thought. There was somebody from any borough

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Speaker 5: at any show. It didn't matter how far away it was.

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Speaker 5: Brooklyn was always somewhere. So I would get first hand

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Speaker 5: copies of like the Fantastic five cro Crush Battle. So

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Speaker 5: I would say, like even before Latin Quarters, like Halem

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Speaker 5: World was the spot, like you had to be nice

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Speaker 5: to perform at Hall. I wanted to perform at Halem

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Speaker 5: World when I didn't even write rhymes. I just was

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Speaker 5: rhyming off the top of the head non stop, and

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Speaker 5: I was like, Halem World's the spot until I wound

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Speaker 5: because I was always by myself, magic with I'd get

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Speaker 5: in this car with him and then he'd break out.

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Speaker 2: Just leave it.

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Speaker 5: Union Square was my first spot outside of Brooklyn, really,

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Speaker 5: my first hip hop spot outside of Brooklyn can matter

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Speaker 5: of fact, Yeah, yeah, Rock Kim, I used to just

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Speaker 2: I ain't going nowhere. I was a kid. I walked

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we just was in the hood, local local spots,

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Speaker 5: little parties in the hood and stuff like that, block parties.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, Rock Kim was at Union Square. My brother

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Speaker 5: won tickets on the radio. Yeah we went, Yeah, we went,

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Speaker 5: and you know, we never stopped going.

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Speaker 1: We was like, oh so even after youngest in charge

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Speaker 1: came out and legal don't I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: last official year of Latin Quarter was, but nineteen eighty eight, damn. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so yep, that was it.

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Speaker 9: And it's it's really a very sad story because it's

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Speaker 9: I don't think I've ever told this story, but don't cry.

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Speaker 9: Yeah nah, So me Fat Raoul, who was the original DJ.

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Speaker 9: We came in there on a Thursday night just kind

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Speaker 9: of was me Chris Light he may rest and peace,

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Speaker 9: big diar.

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Speaker 4: Read and we just strolled up in there on a

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Speaker 9: And in fact, Raoul was DJINGHM and we were going

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Speaker 9: just like, Yo're like, let Red get on the turntables.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a hip hop nightdays.

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Speaker 4: This particular Thursday was not a hip hop night.

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Speaker 2: And what gay cabaret night? And was doing it?

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Speaker 9: You just decided no, no, no, you don't understand like we

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Speaker 9: we were just we were just rolling around the City's no,

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Speaker 9: I need to verify, like be clear.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm like like Twitter right now verified.

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Speaker 5: You ain't had to tell this story, you know, no,

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Speaker 5: I think it's important, like we on we on, you know,

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Speaker 5: we on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 9: We need to get supreme. So so I spised out

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Speaker 9: like I was. I think, you know, I've been smoking

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Speaker 9: said something real derogatory about gay people. And I was like,

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Speaker 9: if you ain't a bee boy, you need to get out.

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Speaker 9: And Big Daryl he just got charged and he went

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Speaker 9: downstairs and there was this cock diesel dude with his

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Speaker 9: man and we went up to him and this dude

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Speaker 9: knocked Darryl out, laid him out flat, and Baby Chris

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Speaker 9: grabbed me put me in Mike Goldberg's office and he

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Speaker 9: said you stay here, and then things started flying, things

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Speaker 9: started flying. I was in there for like an hour,

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Speaker 9: like an hour, just sitting there.

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Speaker 4: I came out.

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Speaker 9: Place was trashed, empty, Mike Goldberg was heated, told Red.

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Speaker 4: Never come back, told us never come back.

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Speaker 9: And I come outside and Chris and Daryl and Ali

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Speaker 9: and Red are just sitting on Chris's Mac some more,

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Speaker 9: just sitting there and on the corner of forty seven

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Speaker 9: the Broadway, and they were like, search go home.

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Speaker 4: I was like, Noah. They were like search go.

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Speaker 2: Home, damn.

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Speaker 4: And that was it, that last end of the last night.

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Speaker 8: Wow, that's crazy to even hear, because you know, we

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Speaker 8: just knew that it was closed.

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Speaker 11: It was like, what the hell happened?

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Speaker 8: And what did at that point Union Square, the Sheraton Hotel.

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Speaker 8: We knew that I had kind of taken up, you know,

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Speaker 8: fresher and everything.

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Speaker 11: But I didn't know that was the reason.

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Speaker 4: Why Mike, Mike shut it down, shut it down.

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Speaker 5: I just thought it was all the stuff that happened

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Speaker 5: when you left that closed it.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 9: And you know, it's funny because you talk about Hawk

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Speaker 9: and Dog Cainge like Hawk Dog a Rock the original.

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Speaker 10: Fifty original fifty six killer Ben Hues.

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Speaker 9: When I was in the Quarter and they were about

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Speaker 9: to do their thing. The one thing I loved about

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Speaker 9: those dudes is they would tell me.

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Speaker 2: Search, Yeah, that's what would tell me, like always.

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Speaker 4: Protected me, like I was a little puzzle, which leaves.

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Speaker 1: Me to this question. You knowingly would I don't mean

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Speaker 1: risk your life, but hip hop was so potent back

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Speaker 1: then that even you're I mean, basically you're playing Russian roulette.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what's gonna pop off, because.

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Speaker 9: What would happen? No, no, no, what would happen? I'm sorry

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Speaker 9: Paul and self. What would happen? Was the quarter got

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Speaker 9: so big, right, the rep got so big that the

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Speaker 9: tunnel kids would come from Jersey, Connecticut, Long Island. It

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00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 9: became a feeding market for Brooklyn and for Uptown. And

443
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 9: these girls from Hempstead would come in and they had

444
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 9: the big errands and these they were showing out and

445
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 9: it was like it was there was a shop a

446
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 9: paradise man like Hogg Dog Deceptor cons like they just

447
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 9: they went in and they would just give you the

448
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 9: high sign. And there were certain records when they came

449
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 9: on Ultramagnetic with either Ultramagnetic came on or rebeled.

450
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: Out a pause, that was it. That was there was.

451
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 8: Always something that was gonna happen. You just wanted to

452
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 8: get enough dance time in before it did.

453
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: Quest So when that drum roll comes in on Stetsa.

454
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: In the house on top billing.

455
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: Top me, tuck your stuff, it wasn't even you didn't

456
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: have time to tuck it.

457
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 9: Like iou would be in the middle of the floor,

458
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 9: so it'd be Fatima and shake and stretch and all

459
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 9: of them.

460
00:24:50,680 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 6: Stretch right school school, school, Lage, Reggie nice and smooth, Swift, Swift, And.

461
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 9: As soon as that record came on, I owe you

462
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 9: was Jay's gone. And what would come in the middle

463
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 9: of that crowd was every hood.

464
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 4: Loom that we knew.

465
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: And we were already.

466
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 11: Back and somebody and was.

467
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 9: Girls were running out screaming because they were bleeding from

468
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 9: the ears because their bamboos got yanked yo, And I

469
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 9: don't know.

470
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: Who it was.

471
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 9: I'm not even gonna point no fingers because I'm not

472
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 9: getting thrown under the bus, but somebody from Decepticons. I

473
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 9: remember when they went after jam Master Jay got to.

474
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: Bring up yo rest inter j kept his kept his.

475
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 6: They dragged across, they yelled his.

476
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 9: Ye, he had the chain with the Adidas thing. He

477
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 9: saw another day and Marv and Mark may he rest

478
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 9: in peace. He was with him, Hollis who was with him,

479
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 9: and whoever tetricane to hurricane and whoever tested them. And

480
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 9: I mean that's one of the few times I remember

481
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 9: bullets flying in the quarter like you would hear them

482
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 9: like going past your ear, and you saw like and

483
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 9: he's holding on and Hollis Crew and he's and they're

484
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 9: trying to pull it off of his neck and they're

485
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 9: dragging him across the dance floor.

486
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: It's gone.

487
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: I mean, there's nobody there except for Hollis Crew and

488
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: those dudes.

489
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: And he kept his.

490
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 10: You remember when Jim Brown would run for a touchdown

491
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 10: and you see like four or five dudes on his back.

492
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: That's how it looks. Jesus Christ kept his.

493
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 5: Though, Yes, every week, but it's crazy Tho quest like

494
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 5: you you wasn't that after midnight and Philly like you

495
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 5: never like, let me tell you something.

496
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 4: I know, Yeah, I know, listens when they shut down

497
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 4: New York, that's when we went.

498
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 5: Cane at the anniversary show and he had Divine Sounds

499
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 5: on it.

500
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Yep, right right.

501
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 5: And I'll never forget this because I posted it the

502
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 5: day after because I took a picture with them. I

503
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 5: was having a conversation and I heard the intro Fi

504
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 5: plus five and whoever was talking to me, I jetted

505
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 5: off and ran in the stage because what I remember

506
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 5: from that song was being at USA and they be

507
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 5: Fats open for them.

508
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: And they came on and did that song.

509
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 8: Wow.

510
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 5: And when they said we're Define Sounds and we're back again,

511
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 5: somebody started shooting. And this is the crazy thing is

512
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 5: this is not about being gangster, none of that. I

513
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 5: loved hip hop so much. I wasn't mad at the gunshots.

514
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 5: I was mad I did not get to hear the

515
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 5: song finished being performed.

516
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, or yeah, like we we.

517
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 5: I was in a lot of dangerous places because of

518
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 5: hip hop, yo like, and I was totally oblivious to

519
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 5: it because I just wanted to hear the music.

520
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So that's exactly.

521
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 9: I remember going to Zanzibar to see you performed. It

522
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 9: was a Juice Crew night, it was Shante, it was you,

523
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 9: it was Master Ace, it was Zanziball.

524
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: Y'all didn't even make the stage.

525
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 9: They played, they played Lean on Me, and that place

526
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 9: got shot up before y'all even probably even got in

527
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 9: the limit.

528
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: How about sensations though a little.

529
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: Small hallway, that one hallway.

530
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 5: And all the way place symphony, Yes, the first Yes,

531
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 5: that all hall way. Man Like, a lot of stuff

532
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 5: happened from that dressing room to the stage.

533
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I remember all those places. I want to remember.

534
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: I want to know how you remember all that stuff,

535
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: man Like I don't.

536
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: It's you can't forget it.

537
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: Venes, I remember the names of the venues, but I can't.

538
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: I actually that one little with the glass mirrorage so

539
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: vividly remember.

540
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 9: I remember you performing at Hinchcliffe Coliseum in Patterson, New

541
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 9: Jersey with KRS Boogie Down Productions Audio two You Rock,

542
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 9: sand I got thirty four seconds on stage to do

543
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 9: a portion of something I mean, and it was the

544
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 9: stage was on the fifty yard line and the crowd

545
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 9: was like a thousand miles away, and it was like

546
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 9: there was like two thousand people in this stadium of

547
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 9: maybe ten thousand people, and it was the greatest show.

548
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 9: I mean, I thought hip hop had reached its pinnacle,

549
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying, Because it was like eighty

550
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 9: seven or something, and there was actually like people in

551
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 9: the middle of an outdoor stadium coming to a show

552
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 9: because you know, we were doing like you know, but

553
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 9: we also doing the spectrum, we were doing Masison Square

554
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 9: Guard eighty seven was really starting, you know, to pop

555
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 9: off like that, you know, run DMC and A B

556
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 9: C Boys as they sold out the guarden, you know, right,

557
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 9: all of that. But to see like people in an

558
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 9: outdoor a like a stadium stadium, it was like mind blowing.

559
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: For you.

560
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: What were the like the most notable performances that occurred.

561
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: I've heard the the Keras One versus Melley Mello thing, whatever,

562
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: I've heard that story, But what were in your mind, like,

563
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: what was the consummate, unbeatable performance at.

564
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: I would honestly say, to be honest with you, it

565
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: would be when I first saw a public enemy.

566
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I was getting ready to say public

567
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 8: at Latin Quarters.

568
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the first time or the rebel without

569
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: a parts time though.

570
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: Was.

571
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: It or was it public Enemy number one? That one?

572
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 8: And he said, I remember he's remember I'm saying, I

573
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 8: feel like I'm on I god damn shelf because.

574
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 5: The stage was so shallow, it was very high and

575
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: it wasn't that and the base from that beat was

576
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: rattling the club.

577
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: I never.

578
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 9: But what you guys don't remember, but you guys two things.

579
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 9: One thing was the first time they ever performed there

580
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 9: was for their Yobum Rush to Show album. They got

581
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 9: booed off stage like we were throwing batteries at them.

582
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: They were terrible.

583
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, no, that was no no.

584
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 9: And then literally a year later that's when I was raped.

585
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 9: But I remember, like for me, like to me. The

586
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 9: shows that I remember were the transformation shows. I remember

587
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 9: the Audio two doing I.

588
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: Like Cherries, I like Days Better and Grapes sau.

589
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 12: That they did that at Latin Court, yes, the first

590
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 12: time Audio two ever performed, and four Top Build a

591
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 12: year before, a year before they came out of the box.

592
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I like cherries, yes, oh no.

593
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 11: Yes, I like cherries before I met them.

594
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 9: Okay, and I'll and I'll accept it. I'll accept that, Sierr.

595
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 9: That's fine, and that's fine. But those transformations are the

596
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 9: things that I remember the best, because that was eighty

597
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 9: seven and then they went to Top villain and the

598
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 9: place went bonkers.

599
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 4: But you know what, the box top Billain was just

600
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: and the second top.

601
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: Villain was immediate, immediatemediate. That was because the top building

602
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: that was immediate. But let me correct myself.

603
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 5: Honestly, it wasn't the Public Enemy show, and I'll keep

604
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 5: it a hundred the goddamn Juice Crew show at the Apollo.

605
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: When Biz came out of those quarters.

606
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 5: Quarters, it was public and I thought you met period

607
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 5: like it might have been the Juice Crew Show at

608
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 5: the Apollo.

609
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean came.

610
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 5: Out of a giant nose caane came swinging down from

611
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 5: a damn ivory bench.

612
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: I don't know remember when.

613
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: This was the first time I seen a production like

614
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 5: and I'm down with these dudes, and I remember them

615
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 5: not wanting me to perform driving a giants start dropping out.

616
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: I'll tell you.

617
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 9: I'll tell you another great show that I remember. It

618
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 9: was winter, it was cold, it was cold, and this

619
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 9: was when Emerald City and Red Parrot were doing hip

620
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 9: hop nights and they had a really interesting way to

621
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 9: get to the club because the stairs and that was

622
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 9: really like a Juice Crew spot, like that was Magic's home.

623
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 9: That was like that was a Juice Crew house, like

624
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 9: they were there every week. But Roxanne and Biz did

625
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 9: their record. I'm shantem right. So they're at the Red

626
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 9: Parrot and I'm looking at the watch and I'm like,

627
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 9: I gotta get to the Q. I run to the

628
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 9: o Q, you know, having a good time, blah blah

629
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 9: blah blah. And then everything goes dark and we think, oh,

630
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 9: powering out or something, and then all you hear is

631
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 9: Vic and then Biz walked out and then Shauntey walked

632
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 9: out in a full length fur and.

633
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: It was a rap. It was a rap. It was

634
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: a rap.

635
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 9: I There are very few shows that I remember where

636
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 9: people went that crazy that was a rap.

637
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Were these shows in which people would just perform their

638
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: single and that was it or was it a full.

639
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 9: People would just show up and perform and leave. You

640
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 9: would just come in and get busy max and.

641
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 4: Relieve inside, and you were happy. You were so happy,

642
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 4: you were so happy.

643
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 9: I mean, and I hate to parlay it into this

644
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 9: and I'm not trying to, but like, what makes eighty

645
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 9: eight the Golden Era is because of this. It's because

646
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 9: like everything kind of accumulated up, you know what I'm saying,

647
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 9: like eighty five and eighty six with Rock Kim and

648
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 9: Kine and the Canaan Rock Kim battles, you know, not

649
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 9: battles like beef, but battle who is the better MC

650
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 9: and g rap with I'm fly rolling up my tentsive window,

651
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 9: raised my antenna because I'm not only fly, but I'm

652
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 9: a big bread winner.

653
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: Like oh my god, queens.

654
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 9: Represent you know, And it was like all of this movement,

655
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 9: movement movement in eighty eight, like Thomas set it straight.

656
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying, ain't no half stepping word.

657
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 9: I'm ready, like when he said that, when Kate said that,

658
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 9: like it was it. We were ready, Like it wasn't

659
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 9: just him ready, we were ready.

660
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: We were ready to be greater than the sum of

661
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: what we were in the streets of our boroughs.

662
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 10: I think eighty eight was like you know, transformation, you

663
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 10: know period, you know, like during like the mid eighties.

664
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 10: What was going on was like during the time of

665
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 10: the show, and a lot of that it was like

666
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 10: really like the hip hop party era where you know,

667
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 10: a lot of the hip hop dancers played a major

668
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 10: part and the whole crowd participation, that interaction thing you know,

669
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 10: it was that that party feel that like cats like

670
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 10: your Busy Bee DJ, Hollywood Buck Starsky were doing it

671
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 10: regular parties back in the days. Now it's like on

672
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 10: Wax that way. But then incomes you know, on Brothers.

673
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 10: I think rock Kim was first, and then Kars and

674
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 10: then myself and it started turning into a lyrical thing,

675
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 10: you know. And I think at that point, you know

676
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 10: a lot of people were, you know, like really like

677
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 10: stepping their game up lyrically, and the MC his presence

678
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 10: was really really being felt, you know, because I mean,

679
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 10: if you think about it, you know, back then, any

680
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 10: artist that came out with his DJ the DJ name

681
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 10: came first, you know, Jasey, Jeffer Fresh, Prince, Eric b

682
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 10: and Rakim Grand that's the Flagh in the Furious Five.

683
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 2: It was like the artist was making their presence felt.

684
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So from each of you, what song during that

685
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: period did you hear that just made you, that just

686
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: transformed your whole artistic approach, Like you hearing something like

687
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: Jay will always till this day talk about him hearing

688
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: who Shot You for the first time in his car

689
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: and that totally transforming his life and his whole approach

690
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: to how he was going to be as as an

691
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: MC And I mean I've heard this countless of times

692
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: with different songs. But for you guys, which is the

693
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: class of eighty eight eighty nine, because me, as a consumer,

694
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: I cannot think of another year in which, week after

695
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: week after week was just some life changing shit coming

696
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: out every week. Literally, Like I mean at least twenty

697
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: four to twenty five classic albums, like career defining albums

698
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: that year alone. So for you guys that are actually

699
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: participating in it, was it a thing of like, oh,

700
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of it, or were you like did

701
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: you feel a certain way when you heard lyrics and

702
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: fury or like damn, like all right, I gotta come

703
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: with it, and like what song from a peer of

704
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: yours that made you feel a certain way?

705
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: Like damn, Like I gotta come this damn guy right here?

706
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 11: Man, Like I.

707
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 5: Being having access to Mally, you hear stuff early and

708
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 5: I think he had that little silver cougar and I

709
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 5: get in the call and he puts his tape in

710
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 5: and I hear set it off, and I was just like, okay, man,

711
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: I gotta go home. Just put burn all my rhyme books.

712
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 5: The old one, two, rhyme, rhyme, step and it's ova,

713
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 5: It's done, It's done. And then I remember this dude,

714
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 5: I used to go out, Like I said, I used

715
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: to answer the phones at BLS and I would come

716
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 5: in early and listen to all the new records. I've

717
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 5: never heard a special Ed in my entire life. Then

718
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: and I put his album on, and the same way

719
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 5: he was doing it with bars, but it was like effortless,

720
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: like he was talking to you. I was like, holy shit, man,

721
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: see now that I can't be Kane. I can't be Ed,

722
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 5: but I could be myself because Ed is being itself.

723
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 5: He's dropping ill bars, but it sounds like he's making

724
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 5: a sweat exactly exactly. So there was a lot of

725
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 5: moments in those times, not just eighty eight, but in

726
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 5: those few that little corner of years eighty eight, eighty

727
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 5: nine and all like MC's went from you know, just

728
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 5: the basic pattern of a regular bar in the cadences,

729
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: rapping three words in one sentence. And it was like, okay, wait,

730
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 5: you know I started with shot, Well listen, everybody, my

731
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 5: name is Craigg.

732
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, well that style is done.

733
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: I can't do that.

734
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: When I heard said. When I heard said it off, I.

735
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 5: Was like, okay, man, and not even and even before

736
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: I said it off, I can't hold it back that one.

737
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, these dudes is rhyming like. And

738
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: the funny story I always tell this story.

739
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 5: You know, I was at the studio when Rock Kim

740
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 5: did Eric be his president Shan mixed that song and

741
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 5: we were laughing at him because he was punching in

742
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: each line. And I'm not saying that's anything against him

743
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 5: as a rapper. Maybe he didn't know how to record

744
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 5: in the studio then and we were like, this is terrible,

745
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 5: like I didn't know. And then when I heard it

746
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: like a week later, mall he was turning records around

747
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 5: in like a week. The next week on the radio

748
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 5: I heard it, I was like, that is not the

749
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 5: goddamn same song. I was sitting in the studio listeners.

750
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 9: And I'll tell you that that moment. I used to

751
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 9: hang out with Eric a lot in the quarter and

752
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 9: I used to drive him out to Wine Dance. He

753
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 9: had old little shorty that he had in wine dancing

754
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 9: because he thought I lived in the Five Towns.

755
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: I lived near Wine Dance, Long Island.

756
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 9: Which was like two hours out of my way, but

757
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 9: I was just, you know, I just wanted to hang

758
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 9: out with Eric Bright. He gave me a white label

759
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 9: of Eric B for President on Zakia Records, and I

760
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 9: listened to it.

761
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: And when I heard.

762
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 9: Sitting on the couch with my feet up, you think

763
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 9: I'm lazy? You must be crazy. You thought I was

764
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 9: a donut. You tried to glaze me. I threw every

765
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 9: round book I had in the trash and I'll never forget.

766
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 9: The next day, I went to see some homeboys that

767
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 9: I just graduated high school with and I said to him.

768
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 9: I said, to my man, g Man Holt Man, he

769
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 9: rests in peace. I was like, yo, you heard that

770
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 9: ERICB for President? And we both said thought I was

771
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 9: a donut. You tried to glaze me. It was the

772
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 9: craziest shit I ever heard. And then a month two

773
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 9: months later, this knuckle head comes out and changes the

774
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 9: whole game. Brannan, Now, I mean Wrath of Cain was

775
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 9: another point in my career where I just for a

776
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 9: minute there I was like, yeah, I can't do this.

777
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 9: I can't I just me personally, I can't do this.

778
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: I see him do this. I've seen Ratha Kane change

779
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: Tarik's life. One of Lady Bee's apprentice was in high

780
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: school with me, so he used to answer phones to

781
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Para ninety nine in Philly, so he'd off to bring

782
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: in like promotional twelve inches and all that stuff, so

783
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: we heard like stuff ahead of time.

784
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: But man, we were in fifth period and.

785
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 1: He was at the door of school and he held

786
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: up we saw the cold Chilling Them logo, and he

787
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: was like, somehow we excused ourselves from English class, went

788
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: to the rooftop and he says, you gotta hear this ship,

789
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: and he like, I'll never forget the collective jaw drop

790
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: of twelve of us cutting various classes or whatever. Like

791
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: lunch period was different for something like eleventh grader had

792
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: a little blue school record place.

793
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had like a little the preschool Crosbysby.

794
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: And we were just staring at We did not know

795
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: what that ship.

796
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 9: We just I'll tell lights something that you don't even

797
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 9: know when you did. I'm not having it with pas K.

798
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 9: I cut off K Love for like the rest of

799
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 9: my life because yeah, because when Hay Love, when I

800
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 9: did Hey Boy with K Love, like I wanted to

801
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 9: do a record like that with her, and she was

802
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 9: fronting like she was like, yeah, I'm not you know,

803
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 9: nobody's trying to hear all that.

804
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 4: And then y'all came out with that and I was like, yo,

805
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: cheek guy, you, I can't fuck with you.

806
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: I can't fuck with you.

807
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: Like see that we could have done that, Like we

808
00:43:59,239 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: could have done that.

809
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: That to me was the.

810
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 9: Greatest duet top five that are alive. That duet is

811
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 9: just still to this day incredible.

812
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: What was the B side the cram to understand you?

813
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 11: What was it called a take it Light?

814
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 9: No?

815
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 5: I had the ill bounce beat to it. I used

816
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 5: to call awesome too and request it. I used to

817
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: call it awesome too. I used to call records in

818
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 5: the morning.

819
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: He came on Tuesday.

820
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 11: B side to cram to understand you was take it light?

821
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: Was it take it light?

822
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: With the ill jo I used to call.

823
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to call and I used to call

824
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 5: awesome too at four thirty in the morning on a

825
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: Tuesday morning. When if your mom's caught you on the phone,

826
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 5: she would whoop that I would be calling and I'd

827
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 5: be whispering into the phone.

828
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: Yo. Molly Mall lives in my building. Fresh by the

829
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: Fresh three mcs.

830
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 5: Like hip hop, you know you're drawn to it, man,

831
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 5: Like with the violence, all of that was like secondary.

832
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: I just wanted to hear hip hop.

833
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 5: I wanted to hear dudes rhyming and to make me

834
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 5: feel like I wasn't crazy for doing it.

835
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 9: Is there a record like and I always wanted to

836
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 9: ask you this, but is there a record that you

837
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 9: wrote that you even stepped back and you were like yourself,

838
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 9: h yo, that you were like, man, the most gave

839
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 9: me this.

840
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 4: Right here, because this is crazy.

841
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 11: No, I think he was too in it. You probably

842
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 11: was too in it to know right.

843
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: Probably Mortal Kombat on my second.

844
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 10: Mortal Kombat really yeah, because it was just that, just

845
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 10: one line that just had me like, okay, yeah, I'm

846
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 10: in a special place right now.

847
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I remember being in the zone when I

848
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 9: wrote gas Face. I was in the zone when I

849
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 9: wrote black Hat as bad luck bad guys, where black

850
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 9: must have been a white guy that started all that.

851
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 9: I literally stopped for a minute and I was like, yeah,

852
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 9: I'm never going to write a better rhym like the I.

853
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 10: Was the none of in front of because every one

854
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 10: of my adversaries lack your little son of obituary columns

855
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 10: of reach your name add out question.

856
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, though, Yes, what is

857
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: your favorite m Sea light song?

858
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something.

859
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 11: I can answer that.

860
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: No, do you know listen, I'm gonna tell you something.

861
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: See as a drummer, I've.

862
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: Never heard.

863
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean paper then's the first song with the rim

864
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: shot was used. Everything was snare drum hard snare drums

865
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: and again it was I mean for me to to

866
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: to get a what I call a War of the

867
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: World's movement, which is orson Welles's War of the World's

868
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: where people thought it was a real Aliens attack and

869
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: people staring at the radio like what the fuck is

870
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: going on? When I heard that song, Yo I I

871
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: that was one of the for me, even as a drummer,

872
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, yo, I, I didn't know you

873
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: were allowed to do that.

874
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 4: You can rhyme over a rim shot.

875
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 10: You don't have to play drummer. You could play rim

876
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 10: shots this shit and it's crazy. Literally the rim was

877
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 10: hitting hard though, I mean yeah, the drums, and for.

878
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: Me, the way the way that Tarik and I bonded,

879
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: like Tarik thought it was such a novelty for a

880
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: human being to like recreate it so to like get girls.

881
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: Tarik would be calling, like Tarik would call my crib

882
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: at like eleven o'clock, which is like way past high

883
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: school hours for your parents. Like my dad was like

884
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, drill sergeant. Don't nobody call this house after

885
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: nine pm, like that sort of thing. Tarik would call

886
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: like eleven, like yo, like on three way, have a

887
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: joiner on the On the other line, he'd be like, Yo,

888
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: run the basement real quick and play on place it he.

889
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: Off real quick.

890
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: But you you don't know, plase it off.

891
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can place it off, like yo, man, my

892
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: dad like might start riffing.

893
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: Just play us off it just like literally that was

894
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: his thing, like I bet you can't play. And he

895
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: would call and be like, yo, play play play paper

896
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: thin real quick, like just call girls up like I'm

897
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: gonna get.

898
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: A mirror to play.

899
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: Even in school where we were he would battle MC's

900
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: uh in the cafeteria on the sixth floor and all

901
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: the instrumental majors were in the basement and we weren't

902
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: using the elevator and I had this little cassio sk

903
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: one thing. So the way that my duib as was

904
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: allowed to sit with the cool kids. Was I provided

905
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: the break beats and not and not the punching line.

906
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: They would they would take an order. They'd be like,

907
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: all right, run downstairs and play play funky drummer real

908
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: quick aside to run downstairs. That was I was the apprentice, Like,

909
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: that's how I earned my way into That's how Turikono

910
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: became a group. And literally like you have like one

911
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: point seven seconds to get a good four bar out

912
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: of it, so you would have to pay twice as fast. Okay,

913
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: it's good, run upstairs, and then he'd be like, now

914
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do top billing, real quick run down set.

915
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: That was me every day at Performing Arts High school.

916
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: Like boys and men were in the bathroom harmonizing, but

917
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: me and Tarik were literally Now now.

918
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 5: As as an actual drummer, did you have simsonic drums?

919
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: Did you have those the Mattels? Yes, yes, I got that. Yeah,

920
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: I was doing playing rock on that night, day and

921
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: night night.

922
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: And then you know what, you know? You know my

923
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: favorite song from your catalog?

924
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 11: Right, no.

925
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: Tempt said this? Oh thank you?

926
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 6: And yo?

927
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: Where is intro? Though? Who was that? Matt Robinson's inn,

928
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: who's being really okay? Can you explain the genesis of

929
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: being Pezza the president and Answeringette and how this thing started?

930
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 5: Cannot answer that quickly, Duck Alert. I always accused her

931
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 5: of being a beat bier because when Kane did raw,

932
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 5: I felt like kidd and play did do this my way?

933
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: And we used to talk about it on the radio.

934
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 10: I know you did, yeah really and defense though they

935
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 10: picked up that record I think the same day I

936
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 10: picked up the Okay yeah see, but I said it

937
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 10: in dougle Lo, I was like herbs a beat biter.

938
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 5: So we always made fun of it, and maybe that's

939
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 5: what you got magic saying that's where we got it.

940
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: So you guys must really be perplexed now in twenty eighteen,

941
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: where it would be who the artist that actually mirror

942
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: a track that sounds similar to what came out before?

943
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: I would welcome it now actually because it all sounds

944
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: like one record to me. Yeah, I mean, you know the.

945
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 9: One thing that I love about this top show record

946
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 9: when I when I heard it, when I heard lights

947
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 9: record on this record listen up Everybody of Night the

948
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 9: MC five foot and you know I started crying like

949
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 9: I started literally crying because it was like, oh my gosh,

950
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 9: she took me to eighty eight. And like there's very

951
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 9: few times this year I got like emotional over records,

952
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 9: and one of them was watching nas do Ellmatic with

953
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 9: the Kennedy you know, Philharmonic. Like I lost my shit

954
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 9: when I watched Dealmatic and a three hundred piece orchestra.

955
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 9: But that simple little record, like her rhymeing like she

956
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 9: was seventeen again on a record that just came out

957
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 9: like five days ago. I was like, like the Indian

958
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 9: man in the garbage commercial.

959
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

960
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 10: First of all, still to this day, you know. I

961
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 10: mean I mean people, can you say still sounds that

962
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 10: hungry on the mic?

963
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 11: Yeah?

964
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: You know, but only yeah.

965
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 9: But I mean, with all due respect, your record on

966
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 9: Yo be you went in, man, you went in, you

967
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 9: went in, Edwin in Dress went in. Doug's records incredible

968
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 9: and they were dancing and saying it and move into

969
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 9: I mean every record sounds like this celebration of eighty

970
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 9: eight and that, and it's why I went so hard,

971
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, Like just from a marketing

972
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 9: and promotion.

973
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 4: Perspective, it's like, yo, this it just sparked.

974
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 9: Something in me and like put a battery in my

975
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 9: back that I'm like, Yo, there's there's a there's a

976
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 9: wealth of opportunity here for these brothers, for these icons

977
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 9: and these legends to get back out.

978
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: Then, So what's the plan now that the album is out?

979
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: What's the the ongoing future plan for this project? Is

980
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: this just well good morning?

981
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 9: I mean, you know I told like this, and I

982
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 9: told I didn't tell you this. Well, I told you

983
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 9: over the phone a little bit you heard yeah, but no, no, no.

984
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 9: But my concept for the performance on Good Morning America

985
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 9: is a small sample of what I want the tour

986
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 9: to be because how we listened and absorbed hip hop

987
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 9: is way different than rock guys did. Because rock guys

988
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 9: had radio twenty four hours a day.

989
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 4: The Beatles could you could hear the Beatles.

990
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 9: Six hundred times a week on fifty two stations between

991
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 9: New York and Philly. So the music was absorbed by

992
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 9: that boomer generation in a way that was very traditional.

993
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 9: So when they continued to kind of repitulate that music,

994
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 9: it was it was easy.

995
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 4: It's not easy for us.

996
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 9: There was nothing easy about eighty five to ninety two,

997
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 9: ninety three. It was three hour spurts and the only

998
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 9: time you really heard music was how it was blended together.

999
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 9: You'd go from Cain to Audio two to rob bas

1000
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 9: and easy rock to MC light to a promo to

1001
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 9: Da Da Da Da Da. So I feel like it's

1002
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 9: time to engage that essence if I can't, like and

1003
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 9: bring that out on on the road.

1004
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the top shelf tour and how

1005
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 4: I see it, you know, in the spring, and and

1006
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 4: and again.

1007
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 9: Not to blow these two knuckleheads up there that are

1008
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 9: right here, but but Benji like he's spending money like

1009
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 9: it's a whiz Khalifer record. I mean, would all do respect?

1010
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 9: And I'm not trying to dig in his pockets, I'm

1011
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 9: really not, but like the patience and the presence of

1012
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 9: mind to do what he's doing on the level that

1013
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 9: he's doing it.

1014
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 4: No one's done it for these icons, no one, like never,

1015
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 4: It's never happened.

1016
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 5: I got a question for Benji, and yes, being from Pittsburgh, right,

1017
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 5: how did what was y'all y'all inspiration behind the beats?

1018
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: Like did y'all get tapes from New.

1019
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 5: York or like, because a lot of the beats are

1020
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 5: in the pocket in that eighty eight sound like you

1021
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 5: know what I mean? So, what was your inspiration behind

1022
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 5: the beats?

1023
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: Like I was from New York and I grew up

1024
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: in Jersey and Okay, so you had heavy access to it. Yeah.

1025
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 5: I used to watch Video Music Box every day after school,

1026
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 5: so I mean it was part of my childhood.

1027
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 7: So and you know, for me from from Pittsburgh, we

1028
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 7: didn't have a video music box, but we had sandwiches.

1029
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 9: Sorry, I know you had a local video show. I

1030
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 9: forgot Homeboy's name, but you had a local video show.

1031
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 9: The kid that was on buzz Zzy had like a

1032
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 9: video show.

1033
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: Reggie Read the DJ that was on naz Ak, that's Cleveland.

1034
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 4: There's a dude, Man, there's a dude in Pittsburgh. I

1035
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: don't know if you remember him came.

1036
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: But he had a video show. This guy's a wealth

1037
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: of knowledge. Yeah, like remember all the search write You

1038
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: write it down.

1039
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 4: For me, like like a sky I got this ghetto.

1040
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 9: Pass that these black men and women allowed me to

1041
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 9: make this music. Like if I don't remember everything, it

1042
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 9: would be a disrespect to the people that allowed me

1043
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 9: to go into the quarter, that allowed me to go

1044
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 9: into Union Square. I mean, turn it like turn it

1045
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 9: just a one eighty like Hawk could have just snuffed

1046
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 9: me the second I walked in there, fuck out of here,

1047
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 9: white boy.

1048
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: It would have been simple.

1049
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1050
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 4: But you know what in the beginning of.

1051
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 5: Hip hop, man hip hop was for the not black

1052
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 5: or white or Puerto Rican. It was for everybody. We

1053
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 5: was all involved in it because it was music, It

1054
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 5: was a rhythm. It was something that that brought together

1055
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 5: all the people from the hood that ain't have no

1056
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 5: wheels to go or something to have in common.

1057
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 2: It was a way to communicate and a way to

1058
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: party together.

1059
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 5: Y'all had your different crews coming together, partying together without beef.

1060
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: And I respect that.

1061
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 9: But b I ain't seen nine white boy in any

1062
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 9: park gym that I ever went to from nineteen eighty

1063
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 9: to nineteen eighty six, except for Vanilla b aka Blake

1064
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 9: Latham aka Lord Scotch aka KEYWAYK, like I saw nine

1065
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 9: white people anywhere.

1066
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: Even in you were literally the one white person as the.

1067
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 4: Only white person.

1068
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 9: There was a joke understanding in mathematics who used to

1069
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 9: do the big parties in Prospect Park when the five

1070
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 9: percenters used to get together. You remember that understand that

1071
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 9: had this Big Book of Life and he'd come on in.

1072
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 9: I used to sneak in the Prospect Park and watch

1073
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 9: the five percenter's break.

1074
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: Yo.

1075
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 4: He would say that.

1076
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 9: Search is the only white person except police at the

1077
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 9: park game. Okay, I mean, yo, there were nine white people.

1078
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 9: And that's why I got so mad, like I would.

1079
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 9: I mean I got mad like eighty six. Like a

1080
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 9: group came out on Select Records called B M O. C.

1081
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 9: And was a guy named Shecky Green and this other dude,

1082
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 9: and I'm.

1083
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: Like they were Capital Actually no, no, no, no they weren't.

1084
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: They weren't Select.

1085
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 10: Prospect or for Green Park. I'm sorry, Prospect. Yeah yeah,

1086
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 10: I think they.

1087
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: Was on Capitol.

1088
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 4: No, there wasn't.

1089
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: The b C Boys were on Capital first before men

1090
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: on campus.

1091
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, they were before the white boys.

1092
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 4: He was on the same time.

1093
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 9: I'm a white boys on and then the white boys.

1094
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 9: And I'm like all this corny ship, like yo, funk

1095
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 9: out of here, excuse my lad. But I was like,

1096
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying, like, yo, it was it

1097
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 9: was shut up. No, I know you did, but I

1098
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 9: just you know, it's disrespectful. And my daughter me is here,

1099
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 9: like I don't you know, but it's like, you know,

1100
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 9: like I just don't want I was mad, like I

1101
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 9: was mad, like you can't come in here, like you

1102
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 9: don't know what I went through, Like I was battling

1103
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 9: in Vandermere projects.

1104
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 4: I was van I was pink houses, like I was

1105
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 4: tearing dudes.

1106
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 9: Down for money and like getting shot at, Like don't

1107
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 9: come in here with some Connecticut nonsense and call yourself

1108
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 9: BMOC like I'm not seeing you.

1109
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: So when did you When did you guys feel that

1110
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: the spirit of hip hop, at least the transformation of it,

1111
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: was slowly eroding? Like what was your first uh oh moment?

1112
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like when this guy rose to

1113
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: prominence or whatever, but.

1114
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 11: When when When I heard.

1115
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 8: Women referred to as bitches by NWA, I was like something,

1116
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 8: something's about to happen, Something's different because I had never

1117
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 8: heard Caine, KRS One, Slick Rick Heavy d Fresh Prince.

1118
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 8: I never heard any of them refer to a woman

1119
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 8: as a bitch.

1120
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 9: Even go see the doctor was like respectful, right, The

1121
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 9: word was skeezer, yeah, and that was really shady, Like

1122
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 9: my mom would not let me say skeezer in the house.

1123
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying like, but but I will

1124
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 9: tell you. For me, I went to I'll never forget this.

1125
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 9: I went to Roanoke, Virginia on tour with Kine. We

1126
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 9: went back to back and the first year we went

1127
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 9: it was Caine, Queen, Latifa, Digital Underground, third Base, nice

1128
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 9: and smooth, eighty nine. Ronoke, black crowd, college crowd, felt good,

1129
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 9: you know, it felt like any other place. We went

1130
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 9: back a year later. Carol Lewis booked us a year

1131
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 9: later in Ronoke. It was all white people all and

1132
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 9: screaming for Caine and screaming for Digital under around and

1133
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 9: screaming foret totally, totally and for me, like I was

1134
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 9: through when we did Pop Goes the Weasel and we

1135
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 9: went out on tour, you know, and we took Cypress

1136
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 9: and Naughty and Tim Dog and all that, and we

1137
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 9: would get to Pop Goes the Weasel and these drunk

1138
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 9: frat white boys would come on our stage and try

1139
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 9: to do stage diving, and our dances were from Long Beach.

1140
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 4: We weren't having that.

1141
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 9: We would body slam these dudes like they were rushing

1142
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 9: the stage, like we were snuffing them, like we didn't

1143
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 9: know what they were doing.

1144
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 4: Like I was I was done. Like for me, I

1145
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 4: was done, Like I was like, this is just not

1146
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: this is not what I expected.

1147
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: Shout out to eighty eight for you saying snuff.

1148
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 4: I know.

1149
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 11: Another moment, another moment that was different for me was.

1150
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: I could have said duff too right now, all of.

1151
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 8: Those women in the hot tub with Puffy and Biggie.

1152
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 8: I was like, wait a second, what's happening here? It

1153
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 8: was a lot, you know, as a woman looking at

1154
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 8: these visuals, it was like I was really confused as

1155
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 8: to where we were headed.

1156
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 4: But you trying to flip it on, trying to flip

1157
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 4: it on.

1158
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 9: You try to flip the sexuality, try to take your sexuality.

1159
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: And you were saying what kind of guy you liked?

1160
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, that's time. But they wouldn't.

1161
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: I was wasn't it a hot tubfo I'm.

1162
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that.

1163
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't.

1164
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 5: Just for me, it wasn't the music. It was when

1165
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 5: they started first week sales. Huh, all of a sudden,

1166
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, they stopped developing artists, and all

1167
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 5: of a sudden, it just jumped into who could say

1168
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 5: the craziest thing and get the most like pre social

1169
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 5: media pre going viral. It was what you could say

1170
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 5: on record to get the most attention. And the first

1171
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 5: week sales kind of like took away from artists me

1172
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 5: and developed where you had to go open up for somebody,

1173
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 5: You had to follow the tour bus in the van,

1174
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It turned into something else where.

1175
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 5: If your album then pop in like three weeks, it

1176
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 5: was over, you know what I mean, Like not even

1177
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 5: in hip hop. There was other genres of music where

1178
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 5: the album been out for a year and didn't catch on,

1179
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 5: and then it caught on.

1180
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: So to me, the first week sales kind of ruined.

1181
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 11: The chance of growth. I remember.

1182
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 9: I remember me and Pete and Clark Kemp were doing

1183
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 9: a party at Irving Plaza when Palladium was open and

1184
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 9: a young group got on stage in nineteen eighty six.

1185
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 9: Nobody knew of them, a group called rob Based and

1186
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 9: Easy Rock.

1187
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: They were on profile.

1188
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 9: My man Steve plot Nikki, who was head of retail,

1189
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 9: said hey, can you get these guys a slot on

1190
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 9: your on your Night? They came on, they did a

1191
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 9: song called It Takes two. Didn't move nobody? What didn't

1192
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 9: move nobody didn't? Clark Camp played it easy rock got

1193
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 9: on the turntables, he was rhyming. No one could care less.

1194
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: A year later, was it the sound system?

1195
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 4: Nope, sound system was bumping.

1196
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: Was unfamiliar right now based on.

1197
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 4: Internationally known nobody was trying to check for them lyrics.

1198
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: A year later it was a rap popularity.

1199
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 9: But no, no, no, But I'm talking about the timeline,

1200
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 9: you know what I mean. Actually that record came out

1201
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 9: now and it didn't.

1202
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 4: Pop in eight weeks. It'd be a rap, be a rap.

1203
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 4: This record developed over a year.

1204
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 10: You know, a long time. You know when I noticed

1205
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 10: a difference. I noticed a difference listening to radio and

1206
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 10: seeing what was in heavy rotation, because like you know,

1207
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 10: I remember, like when we came out n W A

1208
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 10: easy E. They was popping and they were selling a

1209
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 10: lot of records. Didn't get no radio play. Radio was

1210
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 10: Scott Walker. Same thing was New York.

1211
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. In Philly we had uh sort of

1212
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: no wrap work day. Like suddenly in ninety ninety one,

1213
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: suddenly there was no rap work day. Like they took

1214
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: away Lady B Street Beat for like a good two years.

1215
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: It was like hard as hell. Then we had to

1216
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: depend on college radio.

1217
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 10: But I'm saying. What I'm trying to say is like

1218
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 10: that at all, I'm not I don't think so. You

1219
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 10: didn't hear No NW on the radio. You didn't hear

1220
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 10: Luke Skywalker on the radio. You didn't hear the Ghetto

1221
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 10: Boys on the radio. We didn't sell, but they were

1222
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 10: selling a lot of records and they were popping millions

1223
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 10: of kind of hammer. But when you started hearing all

1224
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:44,959
Speaker 10: the Volga lyrics and the gangster rap being the main

1225
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 10: thing becoming mainstream on radio, That's when I felt like, okay,

1226
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 10: something something.

1227
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: That's how it's not ours gender?

1228
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: How easy or how hard was it to rock different

1229
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: marketplaces that weren't New York based. So if saturd Off

1230
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: could move you in nineteen eighty eight in New York,

1231
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: when you guys would go to Phoenix or something or like.

1232
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 10: You had to understand your catalog. You had to understand

1233
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 10: your catalog and knew what work with certain crowds. You

1234
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 10: know certain places I knew that you know, I could

1235
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 10: end with raw, I could end with warm it Up and.

1236
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 8: Usually the video because by then, Yo MTV raps was

1237
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 8: rocking all over the nation, and you knew that the

1238
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 8: song you had with your video you could do.

1239
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a hot joint.

1240
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 5: I would cheat because I knew how to freestyle. Like

1241
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 5: I remember doing a show in like Houston and they

1242
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 5: had no clue I was, but I freestyled off of

1243
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 5: a ghetto a ghetto boys beat and.

1244
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: Won them over. That's because my songs were really regional.

1245
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: So you know what, I'm so glad you said that

1246
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: shit before anything. We were living in London at the time,

1247
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: so we had to go on ninth hand information. Yeah,

1248
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: what happened at night of the freestyle between you and Supernat?

1249
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 5: Oh, that was just that was a situation where you know,

1250
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 5: I was known for freestyle and you know, on the

1251
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 5: radio and all of that, and a lot of people

1252
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 5: knew that I could freestyle, and I was cool with

1253
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 5: Organized Confusion, and they were working with Supernat and he

1254
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 5: was in the studio talking about how he was the

1255
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 5: greatest freestyler and they were like, well, yo, Craig g

1256
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 5: could probably take you. So we were supposed to battle

1257
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 5: on Bobido okay live on the radio, and I think

1258
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 5: Buck While and a few other people were going to

1259
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 5: bring their drum machines and that didn't show up. So

1260
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 5: I'm at the New Music seminar and I'm just chilling.

1261
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 5: I'm with like Diamond D and them, and he was

1262
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 5: on stage and they just asked him. They were like, yo,

1263
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 5: what's up with the battle with you and Craig g

1264
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 5: And if you ever see the video? He kind of

1265
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 5: looks out and it's on video. Yeah, they have like

1266
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 5: clips of.

1267
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: It on video. Yeah. Is it on YouTube? Yeah?

1268
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 5: Oh god, yeah, it's like clips of it. It's probably

1269
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 5: from the freestyle All the Rap movie. But he called

1270
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 5: me out and I remound you out. Yeah, Craig, where

1271
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 5: you at?

1272
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: What is that? That's a call out? Right yes?

1273
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 5: And then imagine him saying that and you turn around

1274
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 5: and grand Master the Kaz is standing next to you,

1275
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 5: who's like part of some of the most legendary battles.

1276
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 5: I walked on stage with a forty ounce in my hand.

1277
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 5: I wasn't prepared to battle him, but I did know,

1278
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 5: and I knew I was the underdog, and I used

1279
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 5: it against him. Basically, that's pretty much what happened. Like

1280
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 5: I baited him, I said a regular rhyme. I knew

1281
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 5: some information. Nobody told me. I researched everybody. I knew

1282
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 5: he was some Indiana and it was perfect time. And

1283
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 5: like I said, when you go back home to Indiana,

1284
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 5: get Mike Tyson out the slammer and he couldn't.

1285
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: Recover, basically is what it was.

1286
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 12: You know.

1287
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 5: I talked to him a lot, like you know, he

1288
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 5: lives in Calli and we might work on some music

1289
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 5: at some point. We don't have the scheduling like that.

1290
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 5: But you know, to me, it kind of helped me

1291
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 5: because it took me from being this old school rapper

1292
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 5: to being able to work my way into the underground

1293
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 5: and have like a slightly second career from it.

1294
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ripples that that caused.

1295
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

1296
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I forget. I think Tim Westwood was

1297
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: talking about like yeah, and this before the internet, so

1298
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: there was such a viral moment that it just became

1299
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: something on its own.

1300
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: But sometimes I could be an asshole.

1301
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 5: And I remember at the end of the battle, I

1302
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 5: had a stack of cards from record labels and I

1303
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 5: threw them all in the trash.

1304
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, all the trash because I was like, nobody

1305
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: was checking for me.

1306
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 5: So if it ain't genuine, I don't I don't want

1307
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 5: to be the flavor of the month, right so you know,

1308
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 5: I threw them all in the trash. I had rowdy records,

1309
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 5: I had a stack of cards from labels. I threw

1310
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 5: them all in the garbage.

1311
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: King, did you ever have any battles of note on?

1312
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Speaker 1: I mean during that the period of where you're coming up,

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Speaker 1: like any MC's ever try try to challenge you.

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Speaker 10: Like I mean, that's I started as a battle rapper.

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01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 10: That's all I did. Really, Yeah, That's all I did

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 10: until I met Biz. And that's how I met Biz.

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 10: I met Biz battling. I basked him for a battle.

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Speaker 2: You never saw him with Keith Murray was rapping for him. No,

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Speaker 2: cut it out, man, I don't know what are we

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 2: talking about. Yeah that Keith?

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, now what Keith was fifteen man, you know he

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01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,839
Speaker 10: was fifteen, just really getting started.

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Speaker 2: Man, cut it out, man, nah man, you got it

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01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 2: to me.

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01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 5: Man, you say rhyme in front of Cane and kine

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01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 5: to just say a rhyme at the top of your

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 5: rhyme by ninety five decibels of a bar and you

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01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 5: just you're like, okay, let me just go back home

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01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 5: and those other rhyme books.

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Speaker 2: Keith was like.

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Speaker 10: His name wasn't even Keith Murray. His rap name was

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01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 10: do Damage at the time. Oh, I don't know, eighty

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 10: eight maybe, But you.

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Speaker 5: Know, coming up during that time, like if you lived

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01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 5: in a certain neighborhood and they knew you rhyme, you

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01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 5: couldn't leave a.

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: House without battle with somebody. I mean, I remember Jazz

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: the whole Jazz Rush.

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01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear of it in Philly, but I don't

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01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: what was Did you and Jazz Frush know each other

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01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: from Philly or just no?

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Speaker 10: You know, I just found out, maybe like uh, two

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 10: years ago, that we had battled prior to after Midnight.

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01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 10: I didn't even know that, yeah, because I remember battling

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 10: someone at the rooftop that had dissed Bismarcky and I

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01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,560
Speaker 10: stepped up and battled them there. I didn't know that

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 10: that was the same dude from after Midnight. Okay, I

1348
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 10: remember the after Midnight thing, and I know it was

1349
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 10: a time issue. I don't know whether I got there

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 10: late or what was going. I can't really remember. And

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01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 10: then we got we got on and I guess Dode

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 10: asked for the battle. We came up and we went

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01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 10: and we I don't know where we went, well, maybe

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01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 10: two rounds maybe, and dude didn't want to stop. Dude

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01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 10: didn't want to stop, and then Lady B told him, listen,

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01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 10: you need to stop. You need to stop, because sure

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01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 10: at first she said it to me like, yo, we

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01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 10: need to finish the show. And the dude didn't want

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 10: to stop.

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01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 1: Just minchell.

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01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: He was like, I'll battle you. Yeah, this was Durman,

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01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 2: the show god, okay.

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01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 10: And then the first Lady BE told me, you know,

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01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 10: so I was ready to go on with the show,

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01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 10: you know, because I knew that because I already at

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 10: the rooftop. I already gave it to him and it

1367
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 10: was happening again. But dude, you know this dude, you know,

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01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 10: he didn't want to stop. And then Lady B told him, like,

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01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 10: you really need to stop. Like I'm like, give him

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01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 10: that look like you know, I'm doing you a favor.

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01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 10: But dude, dude was relentless with it, you know. And

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01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 10: then I threw I think one hundred dollars at him.

1373
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 10: I was like, I was like, I was like, yeah,

1374
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 10: here you go, man, he goes something for your troubles man,

1375
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 10: something like being arrogant, you know.

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I'm just finding out that it

1377
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: was the same dude.

1378
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 5: You know.

1379
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 2: I tried to ask Charlie Me and Charlie Mack was

1380
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 2: talking about him performed but Ultra Magnetic Fie and Philly Yeah,

1381
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: the Juice for joint we did though for Charlie Mack.

1382
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, because I was telling Charlie Mack to bring up

1383
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 10: because he said the dude still talks about I was, yo, dude,

1384
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 10: I'm like, I'd love to see this guy.

1385
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: The legend of Caine versus Jash Fresh is like bigger

1386
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: than what actually happened.

1387
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad you told me what actually had a lot

1388
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 2: of this monster.

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah here. I don't know if it's on tape

1390
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: or video or anything.

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01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 10: No, Like Charlie Max said that he's like still today,

1392
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 10: he'd be like, y'all know, I want y'all know, I

1393
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 10: want I mean.

1394
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: That I can attest dude.

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01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: That's like the garbage man. I mean, you know, you

1396
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 2: know I ran for one hundred and fifty y'alls in

1397
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: high school.

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01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: Oh Pocai.

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I mean, I I'll give Duke credit. He

1400
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 10: didn't back down, you know what I'm saying, and he

1401
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 10: wanted to keep it going. But what it was, it

1402
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 10: was like we was in the middle of a show,

1403
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 10: and I mean it was like you not winning, right,

1404
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 10: there was a professional yeah you know.

1405
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: You know, but I mean, but you know, yeah, that's

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 2: what that was.

1407
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, ladies and gentlemen, I can go on forever.

1408
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: It's about to be like zero o'clock of the morning. Yeah,

1409
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: I will say. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, please please support

1410
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: Top Shelf nineteen eighty eight. Can we expect any other

1411
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: offspring videos?

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01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 6: Oh?

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01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, definitely want to have some visuals in the future.

1414
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 7: We're going to have some crazy vinyl next year and yeah.

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01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: We would be available on hard that's yeah, that's the

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01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: most important.

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, super yeah, absolutely. Can I just say

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01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 7: one thing, yes, absolutely so. In nineteen eighty eight, I

1419
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 7: was ten years old in Pittsburgh. I was a paper boy,

1420
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 7: like a real paper like I delivered newspapers and I

1421
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 7: use that money to go to the record store.

1422
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 4: To buy tapes.

1423
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 7: And they were tapes of everyone that's in this room.

1424
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 7: And and then I flashed forward to nineteen ninety at

1425
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 7: the Syria Mosque when Third Base and Big Daddy Kane

1426
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 7: Digital Underground were performing and I was there with my

1427
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 7: brother and one of his friends.

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 4: Cane.

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 7: You came out in a hot tub. They pushed you

1430
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 7: out in a hot tub.

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01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 9: Ladies, you'll forgive me, ladies, lady, forgive me old time story.

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here like you have the bike and shorts.

1433
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sexual chocolate, sexual chocolate actually work back. Oh

1434
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: my goodness, it worked.

1435
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 7: But let me tell you how much of an honor

1436
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 7: it is to just be here with you guys. It's

1437
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 7: it's like really sort of a surreal experience for me.

1438
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 7: So it's an honor to be here and to have

1439
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 7: worked with you in some capacity and to you know,

1440
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 7: bring this project to light. And you know, one of

1441
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 7: my main things with this project is not just like, yeah,

1442
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 7: go listen to Top Shelf nineteen eighty eight, like definitely

1443
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 7: do because it's super dope, but also listen to everything else.

1444
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 7: Listen to Long Leave of the Cane, listen to Lighters

1445
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 7: of Rock, listen to all the different records that came

1446
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 7: out then, and it's like a celebration of that time,

1447
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 7: and it's a reminder of like, Yo, she was dope, you.

1448
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

1449
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 7: And that's like what I came up listening to, Like

1450
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 7: that's like basically all I listened to and so to me,

1451
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 7: it's important to always shine a light on it.

1452
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: We have to invest in our art and our artists. Yes,

1453
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: you're you're right, ladies and gentlemen. I thank you very

1454
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 1: much for coming to Normally I tell my crew to

1455
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: give it up, but I'm the only person here.

1456
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: Give it up to.

1457
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: So on behalf of the top shelf like a crew

1458
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: and the QLs crew. This is quest Love. Thank you

1459
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: very much for joining us. This was a special edition

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01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: of Course Love Supreme. I'll see you on the next program.

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 2: Peace Couest.

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,519
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01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:16,759
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01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:21,120
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