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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing from iHeart Radio. It's summer, and that means

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Speaker 1: it's time for our tradition at Here's the Thing, where

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Speaker 1: the staff share their favorite episodes from our archives in

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Speaker 1: our summer staff picks series first up as Engineer Frank Imperial.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Alec, it didn't take long for me to remember

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Speaker 2: one of my very favorite episodes. Mary Lou Henner is

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Speaker 2: an actress and author, Broadway star and Golden Globe winner,

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Speaker 2: but she can also remember every detail of her life

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Speaker 2: since childhood, down to what she did, what she wore,

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Speaker 2: and even what the weather was on any given day

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Speaker 2: in her history. There are less than one hundred people

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Speaker 2: in the world with this incredible type of memory, and

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Speaker 2: here's Alex's twenty twenty one conversation with one of them.

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Speaker 1: People have different definitions of what makes a star. Is

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Speaker 1: it raw talent, beauty or is it simply an X factor,

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Speaker 1: a certain ineffable quality. Whatever it is, Mary Lou Henner

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Speaker 1: has it, and she has it in spades. Singer, dancer, actor,

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Speaker 1: and wellness expert, Henner is a multi talented performer who

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Speaker 1: is also simply a joy to be around. She's like

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Speaker 1: a Christmas tree and lights up every room she's in.

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Speaker 1: She's starred in over a dozen films, seven Broadway shows,

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Speaker 1: and two smash hit sitcoms. She played Ava Evans Newton

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Speaker 1: on Evening Shade alongside Burt Reynolds, and perhaps most notably,

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Speaker 1: Elaine Nardo on Taxi, a role that earned her five

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Speaker 1: Golden Globe nominations. Mary Lou Henner has also a New

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Speaker 1: York Times bestselling author and recently staged a one woman

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Speaker 1: autobiographical show. It covered everything from growing up in a

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Speaker 1: large family in Chicago to her preternatural mnemonic skills. Henna

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Speaker 1: is one of about sixty people in the world who

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Speaker 1: can recall nearly every detail of her life, down to

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Speaker 1: the exact day and date.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny because you know, I worked with Trump

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Speaker 3: twice on Celebrity Apprentice, but he used to start the

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Speaker 3: reboard room, like Mary Lou. If I took you to Vegas,

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Speaker 3: could you cheap for me? Could you count the cards?

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Speaker 3: Could you let's go to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure people assume that this skill you have.

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Speaker 3: It's not a skill, but it's yeah, it's just there.

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Speaker 3: It's weird.

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Speaker 1: What do you call it.

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Speaker 3: I call it a gift. The people sometimes call it

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Speaker 3: a condition. It's not, and that's why they changed the name.

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Speaker 3: They used to call it hyper tygnesia, but then they

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Speaker 3: thought that that was like too weird a name, which

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Speaker 3: it really is. But it's not that they don't call

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Speaker 3: it that anymore. It's h Sam highly superior autobiographical memory.

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Speaker 3: H SAM. And it's funny you should mention that and Michelle,

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Speaker 3: because I do a song about it in my show

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Speaker 3: that my brother wrote the lyrics to. So I'm going

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Speaker 3: to is a song called wait, don't tell me No, No,

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Speaker 3: you know what it's called. It's you know, the Peggy

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Speaker 3: So I thought, hmmm, because I have h SAM, so

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Speaker 3: this is what we decided. I'll just do the first

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Speaker 3: one Bucks County. It was yeah, I was like this

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Speaker 3: because I excuse me, mister. It was a very successful

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Speaker 3: They said it was the best show they've done there

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Speaker 1: Well let me ask you this. You wrote a biography

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Speaker 1: back in ninety four. You've written ten books, I believe,

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Speaker 1: including that book. But when you do a one woman show.

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Speaker 3: Well, you need an opening number that sort of grabs

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Speaker 3: I I wanted everything to sort of connect to something

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Speaker 3: you know the Cold Porter movie, not Night and Day,

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Speaker 3: And then I go into the song about my memory

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what's funny. When I think of you, I

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Speaker 1: think of many things. You know, when you do the

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is a good story. I believe that the

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Speaker 3: I auditioned for Robert Mulligan, the guy I was testing opposite.

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Speaker 3: they found something for me, holding money, holding deal. I

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Speaker 3: what happened was they really liked me, and at that point,

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Speaker 3: it's like a stage play, you know. So Taxi said, well,

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Speaker 3: she's too young. We see this teenage girl with a daughter,

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Speaker 3: She's Elaine. We'll give her two little kids. So that's

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Speaker 1: How it was Housman pay Per Chase and what was

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Speaker 3: I mean he was like one of those guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've got that. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: Who probably deserved to be canceled at some point.

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Speaker 3: In Actually, I was very protective of myself. I've been

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Speaker 3: It was like, oh my gosh. And you and I

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Speaker 3: and you were one hundred days sober that day, and

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Speaker 3: you showed me your coin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have thirty six years now and Fabril have

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years. The unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And even last night I wanted to have a drake.

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Speaker 1: This is a trite word, and this is a trite idea,

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Speaker 1: but not so trite now in the age of the

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Speaker 1: pandemic and beyond. And that is positivity. And you have

437
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Speaker 1: always been this like staggeringly positive healthy. What's the secret?

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Speaker 3: Well, A couple of things come to mind. I had

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Speaker 3: a really great family and we're still super close. My

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Speaker 3: parents both died tragically, both of them very young, and

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Speaker 3: I think it bonded the family. I did a lot

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Speaker 3: of therapy. I got my whole family involved in therapy.

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Speaker 3: My therapist would put six speaker boxes up in her

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Speaker 3: office at Princeton, New Jersey, and every other Sunday for

445
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Speaker 3: ten years, the siblings would do a group therapy. So

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Speaker 3: we've worked out a lot of our stuff. That's number one.

447
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Speaker 3: But I had an extraordinary childhood which was totally unusual,

448
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Speaker 3: with the dancing school in the backyard, beauty shop in

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Speaker 3: the kitchen, an uncle who taught art at the Catholic

450
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Speaker 3: grammar school and lived upstairs with his boyfriend Charles, and

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Speaker 3: a menagerie of animals. And I just had such an

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Speaker 3: unusual way of growing up. And I always had this

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Speaker 3: mission to make something of myself and to share. I

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Speaker 3: think it's a middle child and me always wanted to, like,

455
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Speaker 3: if I have a good idea, I want to share

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Speaker 3: it with everybody. I've never been very proprietary over anything.

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Speaker 3: I just always want to share with people. I think

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Speaker 3: it comes from being the middle maybe, But I also

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Speaker 3: think having my memory has helped, because the memory makes

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Speaker 3: you get over things very quickly, because you start to

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Speaker 3: see the waves. And also being an actress. You know,

462
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Speaker 3: every bad experience was like, Okay, I'm going to take

463
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Speaker 3: note of this. What can I do better next time?

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Speaker 3: How can I figure this out? You know I say

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Speaker 3: to people all the time, they go, how do you

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Speaker 3: do it? And it's like this, I go, think of

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Speaker 3: flaps up and it's like you just close your ears

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Speaker 3: to it, flaps up. You say that to my kids

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Speaker 3: all the time, you know, smile not and move on.

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Speaker 1: So you were married three times, you were married twice,

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Speaker 1: and you're married again now third in final, final, And

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Speaker 1: so each of these meant the extent you're willing to say,

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Speaker 1: what did they represent for you? You seem to be

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Speaker 1: such a thoughtful, deliberate aware. You seem like somebody that

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Speaker 1: all the lights are on your brain, your mind, your

476
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Speaker 1: soul is like a house shoe pull up to It's

477
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Speaker 1: like some kind of a Richard Neutra, all glass structure

478
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Speaker 1: and all the lights are on. You're always on, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? And alert and aware. So when

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Speaker 1: you married one, and you married two, when you married three,

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Speaker 1: what were you marrying them for?

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Speaker 3: Well? First of all, Freddie and I met at a

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Speaker 3: screen test, and I didn't know that they added a kiss,

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Speaker 3: and I was the sixth girl screen testing opposite him

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Speaker 3: for a film called Hammet, and.

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Speaker 1: We just did.

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Speaker 3: Some people who don't know this is Forrest, Yeah, sorry,

488
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Speaker 3: Frederick Forrest. The Academy Award nominated Freddy Freddy. And so

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Speaker 3: he was so different from anybody I knew. He was

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Speaker 3: a lot older than I was, but he was so

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Speaker 3: different from anybody I ever knew. And I was so

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Speaker 3: fascinated by him because his brain was so different and

493
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Speaker 3: he was just I've just never seen anything like a

494
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Speaker 3: totally instinctive, brilliant actor. Brilliant actor and would transform himself

495
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Speaker 3: every part that he's played. He looks completely different. And

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Speaker 3: he wanted to marry me a few months after we

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Speaker 3: started dating, and I said, no, let's live together. He said,

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Speaker 3: no marriage or nothing. I said, okay, well then nothing.

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Speaker 3: And then I went to my tenth year high school

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Speaker 3: reunion in Chicago and he went to a wedding and

501
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Speaker 3: he called me and we were both feeling very sentimental

502
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Speaker 3: and we said, okay, let's get married. I said okay,

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Speaker 3: and then we ended up getting married three weeks later

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Speaker 3: in New Orleans and that was it. And then coming

505
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Speaker 3: home from the honeymoon because the actors were on strike.

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Speaker 3: I was going back to taxing. I thought, what if

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Speaker 3: I just don't. I'm married a total stranger to me,

508
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Speaker 3: you know. It was like crazy. But he was so

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Speaker 3: fascinating and so loving and so full of demons that

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Speaker 3: if you're not somebody who is exposed to demons a lot,

511
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Speaker 3: you think like, I'll fix it. I'm going to take

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Speaker 3: care of it. Twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: You're very young. Yeah, everything you do in your twenties

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Speaker 1: is a moment. Yeah. No.

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Speaker 3: I have three theories of marriage. The first one is

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Speaker 3: marriages like making waffles. You throw the first one out, okay.

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Speaker 3: The second one is marriage is finding that special certain

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Speaker 3: someone you just know you'd love to aggravate the rest

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Speaker 3: of your life, because marriage is like, you know, all

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Speaker 3: these little, like diggy kind of things. And I said,

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Speaker 3: but no, the real theory Saint A. Zuberrie wrote something

522
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Speaker 3: and I added something to it, and that is you'll

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Speaker 3: have a happy marriage when you realize marriage isn't two

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Speaker 3: people gazing longingly into each other's eyes, but rather looking

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Speaker 3: out over the mountain in the same direction, with their

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Speaker 3: hands on each other's genitals. That's the part I added.

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Speaker 3: That's the part I added because you've got to have heat.

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Speaker 1: Oh that wasn't saint than zuber reed?

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Speaker 3: No, no, sorry, So you got to have vision and heat.

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Speaker 3: So my first marriage was all heat, my second marriage

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Speaker 3: was all vision, and finally I have vision and heat in.

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Speaker 1: My third marriage. Wow actress Mary Lou Henner. If you

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Speaker 1: like hearing about the lives of groundbreaking women in comedy,

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Speaker 1: check out my interview with Carol Burnett. Her hit variety

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Speaker 1: show ran for more than a decade in the late

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Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, and at the height of her success,

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Speaker 1: she had to tread carefully. In that era.

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Speaker 3: The only one who really would speak up was Lucy.

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Speaker 1: She was very strong.

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Speaker 3: But it's not in my nature to take over confront

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Speaker 3: or anything.

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Speaker 4: You know, if a sketch wasn't working or something, instead

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Speaker 4: of like gleaes and or Sid would say, look, guys,

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Speaker 4: this stinks.

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Speaker 3: Now, come on, you got to fix it.

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Speaker 1: But but you know they would do that.

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Speaker 4: I would say, I'd call the writers down into the

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Speaker 4: rehearsal hall and I'd say, you know, guys, I'm not

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Speaker 4: doing this too well. Do you think maybe you could

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Speaker 4: help me out with a different line here or there?

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Speaker 4: Because you know, otherwise I would have.

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Speaker 1: Been a bit hear more of my conversation with Carol

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Speaker 1: Burnett in our archives that Here's Thething dot org. After

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Speaker 1: the Break, Mary Lou Henner talks about how a change

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Speaker 1: she made and her approach to auditioning completely opened up

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Speaker 1: her career. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing. Mary lou Henner is passionate about encouraging people

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Speaker 1: to take charge of their happiness and well being. She's

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Speaker 1: written several best selling books on living a healthy lifestyle,

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Speaker 1: often sharing lessons that changed her own life.

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Speaker 3: What happened was, I went with Jerry Katzman, who's the

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Speaker 3: head of William Morse at the time. He said, you

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Speaker 3: have to write a book. I'm hooking you up with

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Speaker 3: Judith Reagan. So Judith and I met at lunch and

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Speaker 3: we hung out together all day and everything. I had

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Speaker 3: a book deal, so I started working on my autobiography.

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Speaker 3: She is a character, and when she started her own imprint,

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Speaker 3: she said to me, you have to write a health

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Speaker 3: book because you're in such good shape of this. You

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Speaker 3: changed so much since blah blah blah. Every time I

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Speaker 3: have anything wrong with me, my kids, I call you,

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Speaker 3: and you always seem to know the answer. So I

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Speaker 3: was doing the show Chicago on Broadway, and one of

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Speaker 3: the guys said, oh, why don't you give us like

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Speaker 3: some lectures. I was like okay. So in between shows,

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Speaker 3: I would do these seminars and I'd have a little,

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Speaker 3: you know, like tape recorder, and I'd be, you know,

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Speaker 3: talking to them, and then I'd be putting on my

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Speaker 3: eyelashes like the evils of dairy products, you know, as

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Speaker 3: I'm putting on my eyelashes to go do roxy. And

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Speaker 3: so then I worked with some who was like a

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Speaker 3: real crafts person in terms of like books, and I

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Speaker 3: was so revved up from all the fossy and my

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Speaker 3: boys were very little, so I could like give them

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Speaker 3: a bath, go to the theater, be revved up, go

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Speaker 3: to an office and work on the book. And a

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Speaker 3: few weeks after the show ended, the book came out

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Speaker 3: and it went on the New York Times bestseller list.

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Speaker 3: And I've sold over a million copies of that first

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Speaker 3: health book. But then got a contract to keep going

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Speaker 3: and going and going. So then I've done ton what's.

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Speaker 1: Your biggest health concern? You know, we're growing up in

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Speaker 1: my lifetime, everybody was always saying, you know, don't smoke,

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Speaker 1: and then when I went through my drug phase, people

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Speaker 1: said you got to get sober and stop taking all

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Speaker 1: these drugs and drinking, which I've had a very relatively

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Speaker 1: brief but white hot period of that for a couple

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Speaker 1: of years in the eighties when I was very young,

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Speaker 1: and then as I've gotten older. You know, the thing

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Speaker 1: that shocks me, that is the utter poison in my

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Speaker 1: life is sugar. Because I was pre diabetic and now

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Speaker 1: I'm full diabetic. Has been so gotten married for me?

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Speaker 1: For me, Yeah, what's your health concerns now? Like, what

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Speaker 1: do you say to yourself? I never eat. I sometimes

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Speaker 1: eat every now and then I cheat and I allow

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Speaker 1: myself to eat. When you want to treat yourself to

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Speaker 1: something that you know isn't the best possible thing for you,

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Speaker 1: is it something sweet? Is something? No? No?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: If I'm a savory person, no, I would say probably

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Speaker 3: sushi is like my own, my last not so guilty pleasure. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I haven't had dairy since August fifteenth, nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: It was a Wednesday I gave up dairy and have

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Speaker 3: never had dairy since. And it changed my life. So

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Speaker 3: I'm always trying to get people off of deser.

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Speaker 1: What was the impact? Oh, the sinuses and congestion you here, but.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a lot, but you know, through sore throats

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Speaker 3: and stomach aches all the time. When I lived in

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Speaker 3: New York, I'd live near zay Bars, and I would

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Speaker 3: go pick up cheese ends, you know at zay bars

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Speaker 3: where they'd cut the cheese a certain way and then

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Speaker 3: they have the little the little rind and stuff. And

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Speaker 3: I'd buy these little cheese bags, cheese ends bags on

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Speaker 3: my way to unemployment and wondered, why am I not

625
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Speaker 3: working when I'm fat, constabated and have been impulsed, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean the whole stomach changed after I gave up dairy.

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Speaker 1: I used to be an ice cream addict. I was

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Speaker 1: like Brando. Yeah, and they say that brand would sit

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Speaker 1: with like a half a gallon of ice cream and

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Speaker 1: watch TV and you have like a big jug of

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Speaker 1: ice cream and lay in his bed and just with

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Speaker 1: a spoon and eat like a half a gallon of

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Speaker 1: ice cream. That wasn't that that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? But Darry is always the first thing I talk

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Speaker 3: to people about. Always. That's been on my that's my

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Speaker 3: soapbox speech. Immediately with people especially, I can read people's

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Speaker 3: faces and tell that they're like allergic to it or

638
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: something like that, or they've had trouble. But the big

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Speaker 3: killer right now, I think for everybody is the whole

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Speaker 3: stress management people. Really, you know, I say three things.

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Speaker 3: Learn to love the food that loves you. And we

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Speaker 3: know what doesn't love us. Learn to love the food

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Speaker 3: that loves you. It's very obviously what does Dairy did

644
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Speaker 3: not love me, Meat did not love me. Sugar does

645
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: not love meat, nor does it love you obviously, So

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Speaker 3: I say, learn to love the food that loves you.

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Speaker 3: I say motion is the lotion, because we've got to move.

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Speaker 3: You know, your cap stretches, your dogs, you walk your dogs.

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Speaker 3: Your hamster's got a wheel with this beautiful human animal.

650
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: You've got to walk, you got to do. You gotta move, move, move,

651
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: Motion is the lotion. And then I also say, you

652
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: better fall in love with your stress or it's going

653
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Speaker 3: to kill you. Because if I give I go all

654
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Speaker 3: over the country.

655
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Speaker 1: Stress, you better I can't fall in love with my stress.

656
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean it's but no, you have to,

657
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: I always say, because I give speeches all over the country.

658
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: I'm always like asked to give you know, could go

659
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: to different things, seminars and stuff. And I always say,

660
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: if every one of you in this audience wrote down

661
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: your problems on a piece of paper and I collected

662
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: them and I started reading them out, and you had

663
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: to pick some problems that are on a list, you'd

664
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Speaker 3: all take back your own because you know the beast,

665
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: you know how to handle it. You just might not

666
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Speaker 3: be doing it well.

667
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Speaker 1: I always tell people whenever i'm especially when i'm speaking

668
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Speaker 1: to people in this profession. Number One, find out how

669
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: much you love acting itself, because you're going to get

670
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: to do so little of it. Oh, the life of

671
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: the actor is all this other bullshit. You know, the

672
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Speaker 1: rest of the year and you're in front of a camera,

673
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: what forty five minutes a day, an hour a day.

674
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Speaker 1: The rest is sitting in your room. You do the show,

675
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: it's two hours a night. If you're inclined to do theater,

676
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Speaker 1: and I said, you don't need to find that how

677
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: much you love it. And number two, if you're in

678
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Speaker 1: get into it. Don't do what I did, which is

679
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: to be like fuck la and fuck you, and I

680
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: think you're all full of shit. And you know, this

681
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: whole thing is just this business is full of shit.

682
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Be a part of it. Join the academy, go to

683
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Speaker 1: the screening, be a part of the business, and don't

684
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: be cynical about it. And if not, then get out.

685
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: Get out.

686
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: I always say, if something, do you or don't do it.

687
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: If someone can talk you out of it, let it,

688
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: because otherwise you have to really really want to do it.

689
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: And also I always say to people, look fall in

690
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: love with auditioning because it might be the only ten

691
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: minutes you have that job. So if you do it,

692
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, then it's like your job

693
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: for ten minutes.

694
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Speaker 1: And maybe you remember all these people from the TV

695
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Speaker 1: star shelf that we always talk about. Gregory Harrison, who

696
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: did an interview wants to change My life Gregory Harrison.

697
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Speaker 3: I mean, we did Jack Nicholson and Margaret parts in

698
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: Cardinal Knowledge at the Pasadena Playhouse. We played those parts,

699
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: so we saw each other naked in a shower. Yeah,

700
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: oh my.

701
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Speaker 1: God, I'm sure you both look pretty good. We do,

702
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: We still do. I he did an interview once years ago,

703
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: was a million years ago, like TV Guide or some

704
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: stupid thing, and he did an interview where he said, basically,

705
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing. He was like, you know, his whole energy changed,

706
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: his whole career changed when he walked into auditions and

707
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: his attitude was like, how can I help you? Like

708
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: you called me here right. I didn't put a gun

709
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Speaker 1: to your head and make you, but it comes audition

710
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: me for this part. I have something you want? Yes,

711
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: you're looking for something and whether and once he stopped

712
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: giving the energy of like oh and being fawning and obsequious,

713
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: then everything changed.

714
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Speaker 3: It's so funny you're saying this because I tell a

715
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: story in my show again about how I auditioned for

716
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: forty commercials before I got one and the reason I

717
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: finally got one, and then I booked seventy two and

718
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: two and a half years. It was quite crazy. I

719
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: was doing commercials constantly, but it took me forty auditions

720
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: to get my first one. Because on the thirty ninth

721
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: a friend of mine called me and it was for

722
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: mister Coffee. I still remember the jingle and I had

723
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: to sing it. I was so wrong for the part,

724
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: but he called me in and he called me that

725
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: night and he said he knew I was having trouble

726
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: with auditions, and he said, are you this way the

727
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: way you were today with me in your auditions? And

728
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: I went, oh, my gosh, no, are you kidding. I

729
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: was just so myself because you were there. He said,

730
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Speaker 3: we almost changed the whole concept of the commercial because

731
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: you were so original. He said, that's what you have

732
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: to do every time you go into an audition. Stop

733
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: giving people what you think they want. Just go in

734
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: there and it's going to hit. It's going to hit.

735
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: And he was right. And then I booked one right

736
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: after the other and I became this body parts model

737
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: and it was just like crazy that I did a

738
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: lot of different parts of the body.

739
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: I was, which parts of the body did you do?

740
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: Which party? This is in my show? I said.

741
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: I did four playtext Brad commercials. You know it's got

742
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: sash here and seamless support to play text panties.

743
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: You were wearing a bra, you were a bra model.

744
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: I was a bra model, but sometimes I had like

745
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: a shirt on, you know, and you could see certain things.

746
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: But it was just like I'm like, well exactly. And

747
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: then I did two play text panties commercials or all

748
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: you saw was my butts and they were cracked.

749
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: But these were separate commercials, separate. The bra and the

750
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: panty were two. He was a separate shoots because if

751
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: I was the producer, that's what I would have said, said,

752
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: and we need to shoot these separately, and we need

753
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: to shoot them over five days four and I did

754
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: do yes.

755
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: And then I said, but all you see is my button,

756
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: my crotch, walking my dog, walking around Lincoln Center getting

757
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 3: on a bus. Well, the polaroids when you walk into

758
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: the audition for a panties commercial, it's amazing because you

759
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: see all these polaroids of just people's crotches and butts

760
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: and side views and everything else. And then I was

761
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: even the Fruit of the Loom pantyhose girl inside of

762
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: a giant apple with my legs sticking out. And so

763
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: I did like different carts. But then I also did

764
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: like I did an exce on Bicentennial Minute where I

765
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: played Annie Sullivan. I got a Cleo nomination for that.

766
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: And I did everything from Reese's peanut butter to gleam toothpaste,

767
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: so many different times. I was the Ponderosa Steakhouse girl,

768
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: the samson I luggage girl. So I just kept doing

769
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: and doing it. And doing it because every time and

770
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: I learned this the heart, I mean, I learned the

771
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: hard way. You walk in and you'd bring something to it,

772
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: like Gregory says, how can I help you? Let me

773
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: show you something like I would do with it.

774
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: But what did you study at you Chicago? You studied theater.

775
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: No, they had a theater department, but they had no

776
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: theater degree.

777
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: So even though I was kind of course, did you

778
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: take so? I?

779
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: No, I was a political science major and so and

780
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: the first two years is mostly the core curriculum.

781
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: So where did you learn to sing and dance? Well?

782
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: I grew up in the dancing studio, and I always

783
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 3: sang because my two older sisters were in choir and

784
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I'd go to their practices and stuff,

785
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: and it was just something I always wanted, you know.

786
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: I was on stage at two and a half at

787
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Speaker 3: a father doma.

788
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: In Chicago, like a pinnacle for you? Is that a

789
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: big dream? Country?

790
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: That was a big gream. They called me on March

791
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: the four, nineteen ninety seven, Walter, whom I knew from

792
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: the Greece family, and they called me and they said

793
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: Annie Ranking is leaving Chicago. And she thinks she'd be

794
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: a good replacement. What kind of dance shape are you in?

795
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: And I said, ooh, I haven't had my legs up

796
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: over my head except for childbirth or a good weekend

797
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: for about five years, so I better get my ass

798
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: back into class. So I went to class for ten

799
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: days and then I went to audition and then he

800
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: said go home, work on the fosse, and I did.

801
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: And I went back and there were like twenty seven

802
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: potential actors in the room and they kept eliminating, eliminating

803
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: until they told me I had the job. So I

804
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: did four hundred and eight performance, four hundred and eight

805
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: performance on Broadway Broadway, but I also did Vegas because

806
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: they asked me to come to Vegas and I was like, no,

807
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: I don't want to go to Vegas. And then my

808
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: agent said, well, let's have some fun with your quote.

809
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: And then he called me back. He said, they made

810
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: you an offer you can't refuse. You're going to Vegas.

811
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: It was like okay, So I went to Vegas. But

812
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: my favorite Vegas story because people always said, what's the

813
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: difference between Broadway and Vegas? Although it's not this anymore,

814
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: I'd say, oh yeah, Cup holders, because back then you

815
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 3: could this was ninety nine and two thousand you couldn't.

816
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: You could drink in Vegas, but you couldn't do it

817
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: on Broadway. So I'd been there two weeks and they

818
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: said we love you here. I said, really, you've the

819
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: show and I was like all excited. He said, no,

820
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the show yet, but your crowd drinks

821
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: a lot more Belvedere than most people.

822
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: Okay, we love Velvitere. Yeah, I'll never forget. Someone was

823
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: connected to like one of these big phizzy musicals and

824
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: they were doing like some kind of a cast replacement

825
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: and they wanted all this stunt casting with somebody famous.

826
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: And this actress walks into audition for the lead role.

827
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: She's this famous actress, and she comes in and she

828
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: does her audition and she leaves and everyone's just kind

829
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: of standing there slack joe. After she leaves, and the

830
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: director turns over and goes, she can't sing, she can't dance,

831
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: she can't act. She's a star, you know, like we're

832
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna hire her even though she has She gets a

833
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: D or an F in all three categories based on

834
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: what they saw there in that room that day.

835
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Speaker 3: It's so funny because there's all these stories that you

836
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: know that sort of shape your life, like that one,

837
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: you know, and you just write, you hear it and

838
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 3: you understand it and you know it right away. When

839
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: I was first on Taxi is somebody at ABC. He goes,

840
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: I've got a movie for you, Mary Lou. I said, really,

841
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: what is it? And he said Sizzle? I said, what's

842
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: it about? He said, who cares sizzle? So Johnny and

843
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: I always used to say we would like jokers, like

844
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 3: people were like you, who cares sizzle?

845
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's just that thing that you do. New

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Speaker 1: York Times best selling author Mary Lou Henner. If you're

847
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: enjoying this conversation, be sure to subscribe to Here's the

848
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849
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850
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Speaker 1: about finding lasting love the third time around. I'm Alec

851
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Speaker 1: Baldwin and this is Here's the Thing. Mary Lou Henner

852
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: recently developed and performed a one woman autobiographical Shoe. It's

853
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Speaker 1: filled with songs and stories from her remarkable life.

854
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Speaker 3: I sing a song about my sons and show a

855
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: video of like pictures of them and little videos. Oh

856
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: it kills me every time if I watch it, I'll

857
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: cry just thinking about it.

858
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: I cry.

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00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: And it's a mash up between nick of Time because

860
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: you know, it's funny Nicky took me three and a

861
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: half years to get pregnant. Joey like immediately I didn't

862
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: get my period. It was like Bam, I'm pregnant again.

863
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: So he and so I do nick of Time and

864
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: happiness is just a thing called joe and that's it.

865
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: And also I sing a song about Freddie, my first husband.

866
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: I do Desperado because that's kind of who he was

867
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: in my life. And that song always gets to me too.

868
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: So it's like tell telling some of those type stories

869
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: and talking about Bird was very emotional to a couple

870
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: of times. So it depends, you know, it depends on

871
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: the crowd.

872
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: When you come and you're gonna camp, bet he is

873
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: your husband going to come with you?

874
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: He comes? Yeah, he's great. Oh he's another whole story.

875
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: You know, we wrote a book. We got together. He

876
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 3: was my roommate's boyfriend. I didn't dare twinkle in his direction.

877
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: But then when he called me out of nowhere six

878
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: months after my divorce from Rob was final. We got

879
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: together within a week. We're saying I love you, We're

880
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: going to spend the rest of our lives together. And

881
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: two months later he's diagnosed with two cancers, bladder cancer

882
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: and lung cancer. And we ended up doing a whole

883
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: protocol for him that didn't involve chemo or radiation. They

884
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: wanted to remove his bladder, his prostate, run a hose

885
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: up his penis and we could pump it up six

886
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: times if we wanted to have sex. They were they

887
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: were pushing all of this. I was like, no, and

888
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: we always say.

889
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: This is he's done with the pump by the way

890
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: he finishing.

891
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: Don't do it for fun. No, he doesn't need the

892
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: pump at all. No, my husband, thanks, No, No, not

893
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 3: at all. He saved all of his organs. He saved

894
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: his organs and he's been in remission. It'll be eighteen

895
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: years November the twenty fourth. It's pretty remarkable. And he

896
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: didn't he did immunotherapy, but he went completely vegan, and

897
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: he went got rid of I mean he did everything.

898
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 3: He shot himself with iscador, which is extract of mistletoe.

899
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: He got rid of all of the mercury, fillings in

900
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: his mouthculation therapy, high colonics, lymphatic massages, infrared saunas, and

901
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: he stayed on this protocol and he has been in

902
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: remission almost eighteen years. It's pretty remarkable, you know, pretty cool.

903
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: When I went to the doctor and he was going

904
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: to do the anterior hip replacement process, and he says

905
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: to me, now, I want to just review with you

906
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: that you know that that when you do the anterior procedure,

907
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: when we go in the front as opposed to the side,

908
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: it's the quickest to heal. But there are some complications.

909
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Is like point zero two percent that we're going to

910
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: nick some nerves in there. There's some material to it.

911
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: And I said, what nerve? He took his finger and

912
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: he went like this, no, And I turned her mind

913
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: and said, oh, you can just tear that out just right.

914
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: I'm done. You can just yank that, get a pair

915
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: of pliers, and I've done with that.

916
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: Sex come on you. And we have an expression in

917
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: my family PF. Okay, we have this expression. My brothers

918
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: and I made it up and it's like measures the

919
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: sexual cuotient of things like oh man, there was so

920
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: much PF at that party, or man, I saw that

921
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: movie no PF between the two of them, and PF

922
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: stands for pussy factor or penis factor, right, because things

923
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: have PF, you know. And I don't like BD for

924
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: big dick energy because that is sexist and sizest, do

925
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? But you and Hilaria obviously

926
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 3: have tons of PF. Obviously six kids, but you still

927
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 3: want to have You're still going to have PF.

928
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: Even I want you. I don't want to retire from that,

929
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, please, but six kids, it's really been. It's

930
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: been like a super six and eight years is yeah,

931
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: six kids in seven.

932
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: Years, seven years and seven years old. Oh that's right,

933
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: seven years. You know. I don't know if you remember

934
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: this day, but we were all all the kids because

935
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: Ireland is close to my Joey's age. He's born November twelfth,

936
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five, so she's like the month. So we

937
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: were all at a meet because Joey was like the

938
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: real athlete in the family. But Joey was at this meet,

939
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: and Caitlyn Jenner was there and her kids and you know,

940
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: Ireland and my Joey and they were all doing their

941
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: sports thing. And you walked up to my son, Nick,

942
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: who was about thirteen at the time, fourteen at the time,

943
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: And you said, and what are you going to be

944
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: besides the Ralph Lauran model, because he's very cute.

945
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: What is he doing now?

946
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: He's a director. He's a director. He went to Columbia

947
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: and he directs all these videos. And he directed this

948
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: short that has now been bought by Will Ferrell's company

949
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: and he's turned it into a two hour movie and

950
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: he might be directing it, we'll see. But it looks good.

951
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: Can I just say what my son Joey's doing too?

952
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: Because he's yes, okay, because I said about Nick. So

953
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: Joey lives in Brooklyn. He does his improv troupe that

954
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: they do whatever. But he's an international bridge player. He's

955
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: one of the top bridge players in the world under

956
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: twenty five, and he became a life master at twenty four.

957
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: And he has all these women that he plays bridge

958
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: with and they pay a lot of money to play

959
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: with him because he's so cute. And he's writing a

960
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 3: script called Bridge Jiggelow because I have a comedy writer

961
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: and I have a director.

962
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

963
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure.

964
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: Telling telling me should read Jonathan Ames's book The Extra

965
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: Man that was made into a film with Kevin Klein

966
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: and Paul Dano, and that's your son, the Paul Danel.

967
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: He is a character because it's about a boy that

968
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: meets like a guy who's like a walker. He's like

969
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: a male prostitute and he doesn't necessarily sleep with the women,

970
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: but he's like he like takes old of these old

971
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: biddies to like Palm Beach, Cotillions and all the show.

972
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't think are thinking that my son is talking

973
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: about them as old biddies, because you know, someone who

974
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: knows not his not his bridge party.

975
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: Anyway, My love to you, and I look forward to

976
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: seeing you in New York.

977
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: Okay, give my love to your kids. And you're one.

978
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's called Mary Lou.

979
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: I know, so.

980
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: I forgot that.

981
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: I know we literally they my wife calls are Mary Lou.

982
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: I know she does Maria Luthia, but my wife calls

983
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: her Mary Lou.

984
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: It's on the back of her little high chair. I know.

985
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: See I pay attention. Well, my name is Mary, Lucy, Denise,

986
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: ce Celia, Hannah Forrest, Lieberman Brown.

987
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Good luck vision and heat, good luck on that chair.

988
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: My love to you, sweet We'll talk to you down

989
00:44:52,280 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: the road, okay. Actress and author Mary Lou Henner. This

990
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: episode was produced by Kathleen Russo, Carrie Donahue, Maureen Hobin,

991
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: and Zach MacNeice. Our engineer is Frank Imperial. I'm Alec Baldwin.

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00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Is brought to you by iHeart Radio